For those who know , please can you tell me/us, in which specific African language the word "Metu Neter" originated.

Bless you all

For those who know , please can you tell me/us, in which specific African language the word "Metu Neter" originated.

Bless you all

It finds its origin in Kemau.

PEACE

Page 331 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
metu = man as a begetter.

Page 401 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
neter = the word in general use in text of all periods for GOD and “god”.

Page 1008 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
Neter = the temple of Isis at Hebit.

The best translation for the title “Metu Neter” would be “man begets god”.

The title has nothing to do with meaning “the word of god”.

LOL, at your white man's definition. :lol:

Page 331 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
metu = man as a begetter.

Page 401 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
neter = the word in general use in text of all periods for GOD and “god”.

Page 1008 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
Neter = the temple of Isis at Hebit.

The best translation for the title “Metu Neter” would be “man begets god”.

The title has nothing to do with meaning “the word of god”.

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=445610&postcount=31

The best translation for the title “Metu Neter” would be “man begets god”.

Now we get the translation, we should now try to find out , in which African language to say "man begets god" you just have to say "Metu Neter".

Bless you all

Now we get the translation, we should now try to find out , in which African language to say "man begets god" you just have to say "Metu Neter".

Bless you all

Wrong. This is a mistranslated word by a racist European historian.

Now we get the translation, we should now try to find out , in which African language to say "man begets god" you just have to say "Metu Neter".

Bless you all
You will not find an African tribe in Africa today that would understand or even have a language of such words.

Now we get the translation
you accept a translation from a white man? are you mad?

you accept a translation from a white man? are you mad?
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=445398&postcount=18
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=445474&postcount=26
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=445610&postcount=31

For those who know , please can you tell me/us, in which specific African language the word "Metu Neter" originated.

Bless you all



Hotep

All Languages originated from the "First" language ever spoken by Hue-Mans...that is the "TWI". The TWI is the Absolute Origin of every and all spoken Languages...even unto this very day...are only variasions of the African TWI Language. The TWI people are the "Original" so-called African...that the African them self call the "Ancient-Ones" of whom Menis (little-people) was one of those great ones who during his administration and leadership..."United" all of (Merita) so-called Africa..."Upper and Lower"...Kemet (KMT). Understand...The whole of Africa and the (Tamert) Earth was called Kemet or KMT in ancient times and the small part we know of today (Egypt) was only the Capital of the "World" at that time. Know Thy Self and Know G-d and know how great you really are...African!

Ase`

http://www.worldlanguage.com/Languages/Twi.htm
http://www.language.com.au/twi.html
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/africa/lang.html
http://www.fiankoma.org/schoolsite/yourname.htm :spinstar:

Note: when it is said that "We" gave the world Civilization...that is Absolutely true and correct...the europians and every one else knows except the African (some) and African in (most) Amerikkka.

Page 331 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
metu = man as a begetter.

Page 401 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
neter = the word in general use in text of all periods for GOD and “god”.

Page 1008 Wallis Budge, “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”.
Neter = the temple of Isis at Hebit.

The best translation for the title “Metu Neter” would be “man begets god”.

The title has nothing to do with meaning “the word of god”.


When u post some thing so wrong and then quote a white man and with pride it shows that u are not taking your understanding of our spirtuality seriously enought to a least read more into the subject . it just makes me:thinking:

When u post some thing so wrong and then quote a white man and with pride it shows that u are not taking your understanding of our spirtuality seriously enought to a least read more into the subject . it just makes me:thinking:
the original poster accepted his translation from the white man as gospel.:?:

When u post some thing so wrong and then quote a white man and with pride it shows that u are not taking your understanding of our spirtuality seriously enought to a least read more into the subject . it just makes me:thinking:
So are you now saying that Wallis Budge’s Dictionary is crap?

Would you be as kind to point me to an Hieroglyphic Egyptian Dictionary that was written by an African American?

you accept a translation from a white man? are you mad?

Mr James, no, I`m not mad. First of all I did not asked for any translation. And secondly I don`t know if Music Producer is a white man.

I just asked which African language the word "Metu Neter" originated. Then I get the translation ,"Man begets god". It is not that, I accepted the translation, that is why, I asked in which African language when you say: Metu Neter , it means; Man begets god. Then I have been told by Music Producer that, nobody speaks that language in Africa anymore. As a result , I have done a little bit of research , and find out that the Bamileke people ( from Kameroon west Africa) have a sacramental practice called :Medoo Mba. So now, I`m going to find out more, from Kameroon people to see, if Medoo Mba has the same meaning with Metu Neter as the translation I get earlier or something else. Metu Neter can be a pronunciation in another African language , but which one ? You can`t tell me the word Metu Neter still exist while the language in which is spoken just disappear !

Bless you all

You will not find an African tribe in Africa today that would understand or even have a language of such words.

And you know this....Because you've been to Africa yourself, right?

So are you now saying that Wallis Budge’s Dictionary is crap?

Would you be as kind to point me to an Hieroglyphic Egyptian Dictionary that was written by an African American?

If you would take the time to actually READ what people are saying, instead of trying to snow-ball people with your perspective, you would have seen that this has been provided for you.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780964066113&itm=1

This is the only dictionary I go by now.

However, the author and scholar is not African American, he is purely a continental African.

However, somehow I get the feeling that you are not going to accept his works, since he is not a white jew, who does not believe in Klingon aliens.

:nono:

So are you now saying that Wallis Budge’s Dictionary is crap?

Would you be as kind to point me to an Hieroglyphic Egyptian Dictionary that was written by an African American?

If you were a Black man of any pride, you would readily reject a white man who blatantly refers to your ancestors as "Savage Negroes" as well.

This was said in this book:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780486220567&itm=2

Once again, you betray both yourself and your people (are you even Black?) with your allegiance to White Devils.

Mr James, no, I`m not mad. First of all I did not asked for any translation. And secondly I don`t know if Music Producer is a white man.

I just asked which African language the word "Metu Neter" originated. Then I get the translation ,"Man begets god". It is not that, I accepted the translation, that is why, I asked in which African language when you say: Metu Neter , it means; Man begets god. Then I have been told by Music Producer that, nobody speaks that language in Africa anymore. As a result , I have done a little bit of research , and find out that the Bamileke people ( from Kameroon west Africa) have a sacramental practice called :Medoo Mba. So now, I`m going to find out more, from Kameroon people to see, if Medoo Mba has the same meaning with Metu Neter as the translation I get earlier or something else. Metu Neter can be a pronunciation in another African language , but which one ? You can`t tell me the word Metu Neter still exist while the language in which is spoken just disappear !

Bless you all

I agree, but it did sound as if you were accepting the first defintion that you were given.

A definition, by the way, is NOT correct.

As to which language, I've already indicated that the language is KEMAU.

Remnants of this language/dialect is still being used, as is discussed in the book that I mentioned previously: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...64066113&itm=1

PEACE

For those who know , please can you tell me/us, in which specific African language the word "Metu Neter" originated.

Bless you all

The answer to your question was given in post #2 by Samurai.

Since you're a Hebrew Israelite, what's your take on the Afrikan origin of "Metu Neter"?


p.s.: Feel free to ignore Music Producer. The stuff he posted is whack and is not germane to your question anyway.

If you would take the time to actually READ what people are saying, instead of trying to snow-ball people with your perspective, you would have seen that this has been provided for you.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780964066113&itm=1

This is the only dictionary I go by now.

However, the author and scholar is not African American, he is purely a continental African.

However, somehow I get the feeling that you are not going to accept his works, since he is not a white jew, who does not believe in Klingon aliens.

:nono:
Sorry dude but I have been looking at several Hieroglyphic Dictionaries besides Wallis Budge because I like to get more input and the one thing that has stopped me from buying other Hieroglyphic Dictionaries is the price tag. I aint about to buy no book for no $131.

So you can have that.

Anything you want to prove from that particular book, you will have to scan it and share it with all of us.

Due to this thread of yours……..
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=445298&postcount=3

Your creditability is pretty much shot with me. Thus I will not take your word for anything you say. So could you please scan the entire page that contain the Egyptian Hieroglyphic meaning for “Metu” and do the same for “Neter” and place it on the web so that we all can see?

If you were a Black man of any pride, you would readily reject a white man who blatantly refers to your ancestors as "Savage Negroes" as well.

This was said in this book:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780486220567&itm=2

Once again, you betray both yourself and your people (are you even Black?) with your allegiance to White Devils.
Please provide page number.

Sorry dude but I have been looking at several Hieroglyphic Dictionaries besides Wallis Budge because I like to get more input and the one thing that has stopped me from buying other Hieroglyphic Dictionaries is the price tag. I aint about to buy no book for no $131.

So you can have that.

What on this blue earth, are you talking about NOW???

That book cost $14.95. No where on that link do you see anything about $131.

You're talking non-sense, which is quite typical for you.

Anything you want to prove from that particular book, you will have to scan it and share it with all of us.

Nope, go buy it. You haven't scanned a single book here, so stop requesting of others, that which you are unwilling/unable to provide yourself.

All you've done is list books and ISBN's and thus I've done the same thing.

Due to this thread of yours……..
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=445298&postcount=3

Your creditability is pretty much shot with me. Thus I will not take your word for anything you say. So could you please scan the entire page that contain the Egyptian Hieroglyphic meaning for “Metu” and do the same for “Neter” and place it on the web so that we all can see?

I could care less. We are at an impasse, then. Frankly, I'm not trying to convince you of anything anyway..........You, who take the words of white racist Jews as law, as it concerns Black people.

Please provide page number.

I don't do the "page number" thing. Go read the book. It's in there.

I honestly don't think that you've read an entire book from cover to cover, a day in your life.

So if you want to know, then read it yourself, because I'm not going to give you the Cliff's Notes version.

Besides, didn't you just say you aren't taking my word for it?

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/productMatches.asp?PEAN=9780964066113&z=y

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/productMatches.asp?PEAN=9780964066113&z=y

I paid $19.95 for mine. I wonder if that's a typo.

I paid $19.95 for mine. I wonder if that's a typo.
Nope, when I hit the “add to cart” button the total reflect the price. They also express that this book is no longer in stock. I also Googled it and did not find any.

I will keep looking.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0964066114?tag=ugeniepcs&camp=14573&creative=329585&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0964066114&adid=1V2067SFXMFFE6QZA2PY&

That's to much for me.

This is what I would like to see happen.

I would like for anyone with the book to scan from his or her copy of the book the page that contains the meaning of “Metu” and also scan the page the contains the meaning of “Neter” and put the image on the web to share it with all of us.

How does that sound?
When can we expect this to be done?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0964066114?tag=ugeniepcs&camp=14573&creative=329585&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0964066114&adid=1V2067SFXMFFE6QZA2PY&

That's to much for me.

I see what's going on now. Peeps are profiteering from a book no longer in print. I've seen this happen with books and other materials on amazon, e.g., people selling "The West & The Rest of Us" by Chinweizu (suggested retail price while in print was around $20, but the price was jacked up to over $100 after it went out of print). Some people reselling their own personal copies of the "Eyes on the Prize" video series were asking $1500 for the 14 volume set because it was no longer being printed (the copyrights to the news footage had expired). I got all 14 volumes for less than $300 when all the copyrights were current.

I don't blame you for refusing to pay that kind of money.

music producer has a magical ability to hi jack every thread.

Please Scan

This is what I would like to see happen.

I would like for anyone with the book to scan from his or her copy of the book the page that contains the meaning of “Metu” and also scan the page the contains the meaning of “Neter” and put the image on the web to share it with all of us.

How does that sound?
When can we expect this to be done?


The accomplishment of this task by those that refute the definition given by Wallis Budge will get the thread back on track.

even budge gets this right...

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/metu.png

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/medu.png

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/neter.png

metu neter, it's my understanding that it's better translated as medu neter...

"words of the gods" as neter loosely translates to gods. metu neter would be the kemetian name of the "hieroglyphic" language and script.

it's amusing that the music man would get this wrong, in an attempt to discredit the metu neter.

(music producer) - The best translation for the title “Metu Neter” would be “man begets god”.

The title has nothing to do with meaning “the word of god”.

:tongue:

seriously, how can you comment on "hieroglyphics" ever if you are going to get "metu neter" wrong???

aren't you keeping a list of "posters who've made egregious errors" somewhere?

add this one to that list...

edit:
singular might be more appropriate. so "word of god", "words of god", "divine words"...etc. might be a better translation.

even budge gets this right...

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/metu.png

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/medu.png

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/neter.png

metu neter, it's my understanding that it's better translated as medu neter...

"words of the gods" as neter loosely translates to gods. metu neter would be the kemetian name of the "hieroglyphic" language and script.

it's amusing that the music man would get this wrong, in an attempt to discredit the metu neter.

(music producer) - The best translation for the title “Metu Neter” would be “man begets god”.

The title has nothing to do with meaning “the word of god”.

:tongue:

seriously, how can you comment on "hieroglyphics" ever if you are going to get "metu neter" wrong???

aren't you keeping a list of "posters who've made egregious errors" somewhere?

add this one to that list...

edit:
singular might be more appropriate. so "word of god", "words of god", "divine words"...etc. might be a better translation.

Thank you for posting this, NIBS.

This is the break-down that I have learned for Metu Neter:

Met: a word (in the grammatical sense)

Metu: (plural) a sentence, phrase or statement.

Meten: a decree of an official capacity

Metnet: gossip, a word of advice, or a story/parable

These are all the forms of the word.

This, when we put METU NETER together, we get Word of God, or Divine Wisdom.

HOTEP

I am not totally 100% sure if this sure if this right or not....But isn't METU NETER the name of a Kamitian(Egyptian) oracle?

The book METU NETER: THE GREAT ORACLE OF TEHUTI (THOTH)AND THE EGYPTIAN SYSTEM OF SPIRITUAL CULTIVATION by RA UN NEFER AMEN was named as such because the book was made to provide people with insight and understanding of the METU NETER oracle. Is this true?

tehuti/djehuti is the oracle.

thoth is a fake name, my copy does not contain the fake name.

[QUOTE=nibs]tehuti/djehuti is the oracle.

Can you please elaborate on this?
What does it mean when you say that "Tehuti is the oracle"?

connecting to the oracle within...

djehuti is the kemetian neter of wisdom, writing, knowledge...etc. the keeper and revealer of these things. the metu neter books provide an understanding to the kemetian system of self-knowledge and spiritual cultivation thusly performs the role associated with djehuti. in terms of serving as a guide, providing the knowledge and explanation to understand these things.

the neteru are forces that manifest within. the metu neter teaches how to connect to djehuti, the oracle within, and thus gain knowledge and intuition from one's spiritual higher self; knowledge and wisdom applicable to life.

meditation excercises, prayers...etc.

even budge gets this right...

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/metu.png

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/medu.png

http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/neter.png

metu neter, it's my understanding that it's better translated as medu neter...

"words of the gods" as neter loosely translates to gods. metu neter would be the kemetian name of the "hieroglyphic" language and script.

it's amusing that the music man would get this wrong, in an attempt to discredit the metu neter.

(music producer) - The best translation for the title “Metu Neter” would be “man begets god”.

The title has nothing to do with meaning “the word of god”.

:tongue:

seriously, how can you comment on "hieroglyphics" ever if you are going to get "metu neter" wrong???

aren't you keeping a list of "posters who've made egregious errors" somewhere?

add this one to that list...

edit:
singular might be more appropriate. so "word of god", "words of god", "divine words"...etc. might be a better translation.
Why are you setting there boasting and acting like you have done something awesome and great when all you have done is changed the title of the book?

You actually set there and changed the title of the book to make it fit to what you want it to say and you are proud about that? That is absolutely nuts if I ever saw it. You would do yourself well to delete that post.

The title of the book is “Metu Neter” NOT “Medu Neter”.

Now, look up the definition of the words the thread starter asked for.

Now, look up the definition of the words the thread starter asked for.
wrong again: the OP asked what language they were from....

(Music Producer) - Why are you setting there boasting and acting like you have done something awesome and great when all you have done is changed the title of the book?

You actually set there and changed the title of the book to make it fit to what you want it to say and you are proud about that? That is absolutely nuts if I ever saw it. You would do yourself well to delete that post.

The title of the book is “Metu Neter” NOT “Medu Neter”.

i looked up "metu neter". i used budge's "first steps in egyptian hieroglyphics". look at the scanned images. the images of budge's definitions for "metu" are right before you.

(Music Producer) - Why are you setting there boasting and acting like you have done something awesome and great when all you have done is changed the title of the book?

You actually set there and changed the title of the book to make it fit to what you want it to say and you are proud about that? That is absolutely nuts if I ever saw it. You would do yourself well to delete that post.

The title of the book is “Metu Neter” NOT “Medu Neter”.

i looked up "metu neter". i used budge's "first steps in egyptian hieroglyphics". look at the scanned images. the images of budge's definitions for "metu" are right before you.
Full page scan from Wallis Budge “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”. The scan is of page 331 that shows the meaning and glyphs for “Metu”.
http://www.songbeatsrapbeats.com/metu.jpg

Also in looking at this page I saw a full reference for “Metut Neter”.

(Music Producer) - Full page scan from Wallis Budge “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”. The scan is of page 331 that shows the meaning and glyphs for “Metu”.
Also in looking at this page I saw a full reference for “Metut Neter”.

you'll notice that in one the metu has that phonetic symbol under the t and in the other it does not. medu is a tonal language, and thus these are not the same words. the hieroglyphs are not the same.
metut != metu

(Music Producer) - Full page scan from Wallis Budge “An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary”. The scan is of page 331 that shows the meaning and glyphs for “Metu”.
Also in looking at this page I saw a full reference for “Metut Neter”.

you'll notice that in one the metu has that phonetic symbol under the t and in the other it does not. medu is a tonal language, and thus these are not the same words. the hieroglyphs are not the same.
metut != metu
I don’t understand why you insist on throwing “Medu” into the discussion. We are trying to decipher “Metu” which is the exact word and spelling used for the title “Metu Neter”.

You have indeed scanned an image expressing it came from Wallis Budge “first steps in egyptian hieroglyphics”, I now have that exact book on order. If it is found to be as you express then we are simply at an impasse that can not be resolved but it would prove one thing, ……….

that the author of the Metu Neter used Wallis Budge to create or write out the title of his book instead of his own knowledge of Egyptian wording, meaning and expression.

I don’t understand why you insist on throwing “Medu” into the discussion. We are trying to decipher “Metu” which is the exact word and spelling used for the title “Metu Neter”.

You have indeed scanned an image expressing it came from Wallis Budge “first steps in egyptian hieroglyphics”, I now have that exact book on order. If it is found to be as you express then we are simply at an impasse that can not be resolved but it would prove one thing, ……….

that the author of the Metu Neter used Wallis Budge to create or write out the title of his book instead of his own knowledge of Egyptian wording, meaning and expression.


Again Brother, the more some folks speak on this as if there word is authoritative, the more they expose themselves as FRAUDS and "charlatans.

Go to the top of page 436.

Peace...

In reference to "medu"

What other words are there in "Egyptian hieroglyp" contain the alphabetic character 'd'

???

I have studied this extensively and when referencing Gerald Massey's listings of vocabulary it is obvious that the alphabetic character 'd' is not "Kemetic" but of SANSKRIT ORIGIN

!!!

Again Brother, the more some folks speak on this as if there word is authoritative, the more they expose themselves as FRAUDS and "charlatans.

Go to the top of page 436.

Peace...
Of which book?

Of which book?

An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Reading Book for Beginners by E.A. Wallis Budge.

In reference to "medu"

What other words are there in "Egyptian hieroglyp" contain the alphabetic character 'd'

i believe it's a pronunciation issue.
the earth center continues to teach and also speak/read/write medu and they use the 'd' in many words. muata ashby also uses the 'd' throughout his translations in his books.

djehuti, dua, djedtu...etc.

i follow their convention.

book recommendation:Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cu****e Empire


http://www.amazon.com/Wonderful-Ethiopians-Ancient-Cu****e-Empire/dp/0933121016/sr=1-1/qid=1159388634/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-7140519-9988852?ie=UTF8&s=books


This book is old,but very descriptive....especially on the origins of the peoples of kmt came from,and how the peoples of nubia (ta-seti) came and inhabited the area of kmt only to break away later on as an independent nation.

I don’t understand why you insist on throwing “Medu” into the discussion. We are trying to decipher “Metu” which is the exact word and spelling used for the title “Metu Neter”.

You have indeed scanned an image expressing it came from Wallis Budge “first steps in egyptian hieroglyphics”, I now have that exact book on order. If it is found to be as you express then we are simply at an impasse that can not be resolved but it would prove one thing, ……….

that the author of the Metu Neter used Wallis Budge to create or write out the title of his book instead of his own knowledge of Egyptian wording, meaning and expression.

There is no impasse here, nor is this a logical conclusion.

The author himself is a born African, who spent most of his academic career in Africa. Since you have no knowledge on the author, then your supposition on this matter is (as usual) utterly meaningless.

Besides, your very own scan shows what the term means.

"EMISSIONS FROM THE GOD" has nothing to do with "MAN AS A BEGETTER", as you clumsily attempted to assert here.

An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Reading Book for Beginners by E.A. Wallis Budge.
When I receive the book, will do.

book recommendation:Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cu****e Empire


http://www.amazon.com/Wonderful-Ethiopians-Ancient-Cu****e-Empire/dp/0933121016/sr=1-1/qid=1159388634/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-7140519-9988852?ie=UTF8&s=books


This book is old,but very descriptive....especially on the origins of the peoples of kmt came from,and how the peoples of nubia (ta-seti) came and inhabited the area of kmt only to break away later on as an independent nation.
Hey, I have that book! Haven’t gotten a chance to read it yet.

Hotep

For those who are not Absolutely Serious about their Spirituality and are only Amusing them self with frivilus arguements in intellectual masterbation...if that is what you have chosen for your self...then so it will be.

African Proverb: "When the Student is Ready...The Master will Appear".

Apparintly some are not ready and don't care to ever be Ready.

Ase`

When I receive the book, will do.

My last post on this....(need to detox the next 7 days)

Hint:

p. 456

neter metu, "divine speech or tradition"

neter tefu, "divine fathers", an order of priests

neteru henu, "priests"

neter atef Ai neter heq Uast, "Ai, divine father, divine prince of Thebes, a king of the XVIIIth dynasty

The last "translation" is of importance considering the familial relationship between "Akhenaten" and "Ai"

I am sure that you will no doubt recognize the significance of this correlation.

Peace...."the work of My Father" is done....

There is no impasse here, nor is this a logical conclusion.

The author himself is a born African, who spent most of his academic career in Africa. Since you have no knowledge on the author, then your supposition on this matter is (as usual) utterly meaningless.

Besides, your very own scan shows what the term means.

"EMISSIONS FROM THE GOD" has nothing to do with "MAN AS A BEGETTER", as you clumsily attempted to assert here.
No, that is translated as “Matut Neter”, sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry but the title of the book is “Metu Neter”.

http://www.songbeatsrapbeats.com/metu.jpg

You can see for yourself as to the meaning of “Metu”.

So once again your feeble attempts to tell someone something opposite of what our own eyes can see is busted again.

Why are you even talking to me?
Can’t you see that I am not one of those dumb brothers walking the streets ready to become someone’s zombie?

Be gone you Ammit!

Hey, I have that book! Haven’t gotten a chance to read it yet.
I am more than half way through,and what caught my attention in particular is that when she mentioned that the 'nubians' gave the peoples of 'kmt' their spiritual system that the peoples of kmt may have not understood all of it.

I am more than half way through,and what caught my attention in particular is that when she mentioned that the 'nubians' gave the peoples of 'kmt' their spiritual system that the peoples of kmt may have not understood all of it.
Now that is very interesting because I myself have seen a terrible corruption between the oldest proven ATR and Egyptian theology.

Maybe you should start a thread on this.

Now that is very interesting because I myself have seen a terrible corruption between the oldest proven ATR and Egyptian theology.

Maybe you should start a thread on this.
hmmmm,good idea,but something tells me it may cause more questions to be posed that will lack answers,but it should be done regardless,perhaps within the next few days...

I am more than half way through,and what caught my attention in particular is that when she mentioned that the 'nubians' gave the peoples of 'kmt' their spiritual system that the peoples of kmt may have not understood all of it.

:bullseye:

In reference to "medu"

What other words are there in "Egyptian hieroglyp" contain the alphabetic character 'd'

i believe it's a pronunciation issue.
the earth center continues to teach and also speak/read/write medu and they use the 'd' in many words. muata ashby also uses the 'd' throughout his translations in his books.

djehuti, dua, djedtu...etc.

i follow their convention.

Nibs: you are 100% correct with regard to the pronunciation issue. Phonetically speaking, "d" and "t" are interchangeable, as in "ladder" and "latter"--they sound similar. Therefore either "metu" or "medu" are equally acceptable pronunciations. In other words "Medu Neter" is exactly the same as "Metu Neter." Music Producer doesn't have a case or a clue.

Asbhy also uses "t" in Metu Neter (In his translation of the Pert em Heru), but that is a very minor point and in no way detracts from the correctness of your position, as I shall illustrate momentarily.

You wrote:

you'll notice that in one the metu has that phonetic symbol under the t and in the other it does not. medu is a tonal language, and thus these are not the same words. the hieroglyphs are not the same.

This is also correct. Music Producer shows a scanned page from page 331 of Budge's dictionary. This, however, is a distinctly different set of glyphs that means something other than "metu neter" as we are defining it here in this thread. On page 335 in Budge's dictionary, the word "metu" with the phonetic symbol under the "t" along with a different set of glyphs as compared to page 331 is defined as "word", "speech", "command", and "order" . That's a nuance of the language that you are obviously familiar with but that Music Producer is utterly clueless about. That's why one can't simply open a hieroglyphic dictionary and quote sensibly from it without understanding how to properly reference what's there. His own dearly beloved Budge discredits his clumsy attempt at translating "Metu Neter."

Please Scan

This is what I would like to see happen.

I would like for anyone with the book to scan from his or her copy of the book the page that contains the meaning of “Metu” and also scan the page the contains the meaning of “Neter” and put the image on the web to share it with all of us.

How does that sound?
When can we expect this to be done?


I told you once before to be careful of what you ask for. From Faulkner's "A Concise Dictionary of Middle Egyptian" we have the following on page 122:

http://divinebynature.tripod.com/metu_neter_faulkner.gif

I put an arrow and an asterisk on the line in which the transliteration of these glyphs is written as Mdw-Ntr (with the phonetic symbol under the t), which is translated as EITHER "Medu Neter" OR "Metu Neter" or "Metu Netcher" OR "Medew Netcher". All of these mean exactly the same thing--"Divine Speech", "Words of God", etc. A similar combination of glyphs appears on page 335 of Budge, and on page 460 of "Middle Egyptian" by James P Allen (though he incorrectly renders its meaning as "hieroglyphics"--Greek for "sacred writings" which still comes back to meaning "Divine Speech" or "Words of God"). Muata Ashby, on page 41 of his translation of the Pert em Heru refers to "Metu Neter" as meaning "Divine Speech." The late, great, Jacob H Carruthers, himself an authority on the language, gives the same meaning--"Divine Speech" (on page 40 of his book "Mdw Ntr" with the phonetic symbol under the t), though he uses the transliteration "Mdw-Ntr".

To sum it up, on the one hand, we have 3 white professors--Budge, Faulkner, & Allen, along with 2 black priests--Ra Un Nefer Amen and Muata Ashby--plus a black professor who was also a priest--Jacob H Carruthers--in general agreement about the meaning of "Metu Neter". On the other hand we have 1 or 2 disputants--folk who obviously have no training whatsoever in this language--who simply don't know what they're talking about.

Yet another case of attempted slander through disinformation has been exposed and closed.

I told you once before to be careful of what you ask for. From Faulkner's "A Concise Dictionary of Middle Egyptian" we have the following on page 122:

http://divinebynature.tripod.com/metu_neter_faulkner.gif

I put an arrow and an asterisk on the line in which the transliteration of these glyphs is written as Mdw-Ntr (with the phonetic symbol under the t), which is translated as EITHER "Medu Neter" OR "Metu Neter" or "Metu Netcher" OR "Medew Netcher". All of these mean exactly the same thing--"Divine Speech", "Words of God", etc. A similar combination of glyphs appears on page 335 of Budge, and on page 460 of "Middle Egyptian" by James P Allen (though he incorrectly renders its meaning as "hieroglyphics"--Greek for "sacred writings" which still comes back to meaning "Divine Speech" or "Words of God"). Muata Ashby, on page 41 of his translation of the Pert em Heru refers to "Metu Neter" as meaning "Divine Speech." The late, great, Jacob H Carruthers, himself an authority on the language, gives the same meaning--"Divine Speech" (on page 40 of his book "Mdw Ntr" with the phonetic symbol under the t), though he uses the transliteration "Mdw-Ntr".

To sum it up, on the one hand, we have 3 white professors--Budge, Faulkner, & Allen, along with 2 black priests--Ra Un Nefer Amen and Muata Ashby--plus a black professor who was also a priest--Jacob H Carruthers--in general agreement about the meaning of "Metu Neter". On the other hand we have 1 or 2 disputants--folk who obviously have no training whatsoever in this language--who simply don't know what they're talking about.

Yet another case of attempted slander through disinformation has been exposed and closed.
Hey, I got that same book, I was so mad when I opined it and saw hand written cursive that I could even hardly read.

But any way, yes that is the exact page that appears in that book. But as you and I can both see the word on the page you have pointed out is “mdu ntr” which means the first word represents “medu” which is not the word in question.

The word in question is the title of the book “Metu Neter”.

The word that we are trying to decipher is “Metu” not “Medu”.

Further more this page is not from the book suggested by others of the thread.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780964066113&itm=1


That is the book I’m wanting the scan to be from. I already have the cheaper white Egyptian dictionaries, the ones I can afford.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Hey, I got that same book, I was so mad when I opined it and saw hand written cursive that I could even hardly read.

But any way, yes that is the exact page that appears in that book. But as you and I can both see the word on the page you have pointed out is “mdu ntr” which means the first word represents “medu” which is not the word in question.

The word in question is the title of the book “Metu Neter”.

The word that we are trying to decipher is “Metu” not “Medu”.

"WE" are not trying to decipher anything. That issue is yours and yours alone. I have already stated that, phonetically speaking, "d" and "t" are interchangeable. No matter how you try to slice it, dice it and parse it, the words "Metu Neter" and "Medu Neter" are one and the same. The choice of using a "d" or a "t" is up to the individual author, but it does not materially alter the meaning of the word(s). It's like the difference between tomato (ta-MAY-toe) and tomato (ta-MAH-toe), or six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Further more this page is not from the book suggested by others of the thread.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780964066113&itm=1

You didn't ask for "that page" from "that book". You asked for "a page."

That is the book I’m wanting the scan to be from. I already have the cheaper white Egyptian dictionaries, the ones I can afford.

Do you want it badly enough to spring for $131?? LOL!!

Instead of going through these distortions and contortions trying to prove the unprovable by incorrectly using a dictionary of a language you know nothing about, why not just admit you screwed up [again] and get on with your life [again]? You even blew it by referencing the wrong page in Budge.

"WE" are not trying to decipher anything. That issue is yours and yours alone. I have already stated that, phonetically speaking, "d" and "t" are interchangeable. No matter how you try to slice it, dice it and parse it, the words "Metu Neter" and "Medu Neter" are one and the same. The choice of using a "d" or a "t" is up to the individual author, but it does not materially alter the meaning of the word(s). It's like the difference between tomato (ta-MAY-toe) and tomato (ta-MAH-toe), or six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Nope, the Hieroglyphs have absolutely nothing in common just like you said on arguing about “Anu” and “Aamu”. In that argument you were not willing to accept or make excuses for “phonetics”. Thus “Metu” and “Medw” are not the same in any way.


Instead of going through these distortions and contortions trying to prove the unprovable by incorrectly using a dictionary of a language you know nothing about, why not just admit you screwed up [again] and get on with your life [again]? You even blew it by referencing the wrong page in Budge.

Nop, that is the exact page that defines “Metu”.

Nope, the Hieroglyphs have absolutely nothing in common just like you said on arguing about “Anu” and “Aamu”. In that argument you were not willing to accept or make excuses for “phonetics”.

I have never engaged in any argument about "Anu" and "Aamu" in this or any other forum, so stop lying.

Thus “Metu” and “Medw” are not the same in any way.

Of course they are. In this language, phonetically speaking, the letter "w" when transliterating has the same sound as the letter "u", and are therefore interchangeable just as the letters "d" and "t" are phonetically interchangeable. You're just too ignorant to know it.

Nop, that is the exact page that defines “Metu”.

Wrong again. The page you referenced---page 331 in Budge's dictionary--- has nothing to do with "Metu Neter" as used in this thread. The correct page # in Budge, which you conveniently failed to reference, is 335, which defines "Metu" as "word, speech, command, order." Since you're the one who whining about wanting to know the correct translation of "metu", it's right there in Budge's dictionary which YOU swear by, on page 335.

Here it is for the benefit of the onlookers who don't have the dictionary (the arrows point to the definition):

http://divinebynature.tripod.com/metu_neter_budge.gif

This is distinctly different in meaning from page 331 which you incorrectly referenced in Budge's dictionary:

http://www.songbeatsrapbeats.com/metu.jpg

The only way for any of us to claim your statement is that we blindly accept that the book is titled “Medw Neter”. Due to my respect of the author of the book I must go with what the author himself who wrote the title not once but twice, “Metu Neter”.

You can argue with the author all you want.

The only way for any of us to claim your statement is that we blindly accept that the book is titled “Medw Neter”. Due to my respect of the author of the book I must go with what the author himself who wrote the title not once but twice, “Metu Neter”.

You can argue with the author all you want.

LOL @ this see-through tactic. Anybody who can read can see that Sami equated "METU" with "MEDW," that the two are interchangeable. You can accept that as such in the case of the "Anu" and "Aamu" but not for "Metu" and "Medw" which are pronounced *exactly* the same way in the Ausar Auset Society?

The romanized "T" is most often a "D" sound in the AAS.

You're like a politician, but unskilled.

Peace.

Nope, the Hieroglyphs have absolutely nothing in common just like you said on arguing about “Anu” and “Aamu”. In that argument you were not willing to accept or make excuses for “phonetics”. Thus “Metu” and “Medw” are not the same in any way.

You simply amaze me at how much you talk about Kemet, yet know so little. Look MP, if you could actually read Kemetic script (like I can) then you would know that the letter "u", as well as all other vowels with exception of "A" is not even in the Kemetic alphabet. Therefore, the word "Metu" never existed in the Kemetic language. The "w" is phonetically pronounced with an "woo" or "oo" sound, so Western linguistics has chosen to replace the "w" for "u". Just as in King Tut's real name, TwtAnkhAmen; Western linguistics have rendered his name TutAnkhAmen. Often times, the "w" at the end of a word only denotes plurality. The name of the language/writing of Kemet directly transliterated is "Mdw Ntr". All vowels you have seen used are from Western linguists attempting to make it easier to pronounce for the unlearned.

The only way for any of us to claim your statement is that we blindly accept that the book is titled “Medw Neter”. Due to my respect of the author of the book I must go with what the author himself who wrote the title not once but twice, “Metu Neter”.

You can argue with the author all you want.

The only way for any of us to claim your statement is that we blindly accept that the book is titled “Medw Neter”. Due to my respect of the author of the book I must go with what the author himself who wrote the title not once but twice, “Metu Neter”.

You can argue with the author all you want.


:jawdrop: :drink:

:jawdrop: :drink:

LOL.

The reality is, many authors and modern-day writers attempt to transliterate the spelling into English, the way it sounds in Kemau.

We are taught that METU NETER is pronounced "Meet-you Neat-hair", with the "T's" being softened.

The same thing applies with TEHUTI, which actually sounds more like "Dyeh-Who-Tay"....This is also why the author draws the correlation between the Kemetic Deity of Wisdom, and the Asian/Oriental System TAO-TE CHING, which is not only pronounced the same way, but also has virtually the same meaning.

Thus, to argue over the spelling of "METU, MEDU, MEDWU, etc" is extremely petty and trite.

PEACE

(Music Producer) - The only way for any of us to claim your statement is that we blindly accept that the book is titled “Medw Neter”. Due to my respect of the author of the book I must go with what the author himself who wrote the title not once but twice, “Metu Neter”.

You can argue with the author all you want.

you have seen scanned pages of budge's definition of metu. it's disingenuous for you to pretend your argument has any basis. end of story.

metu neter is a kemetian phrase for their spiritual writings, and not something ra un nefer amen came up with.

you can't get this wrong and claim to know what you are talking about.

you arguing the spelling of translated words. it's a meaningless argument. if the title were written in hieroglyphics, or hieratic or demotic...etc. maybe you would have a basis for this argument. you can't choose the "version" of metu you wish to understand; as it is a translated word.

your argument is beyond stubborn for these reasons.

(I-khan)
book recommendation: Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cush Empire

http://www.amazon.com/Wonderful-Ethi...e=UTF8&s=books

I am more than half way through,and what caught my attention in particular is that when she mentioned that the 'nubians' gave the peoples of 'kmt' their spiritual system that the peoples of kmt may have not understood all of it.

that book is available online here:
Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cush Empire (http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/we/index.htm)

it looks like the argument is that the original religion became distorted because the priests of amun lost their grasp on the nation, as it became polluted by foreign rule:

Egypt was inhabited in ancient days by two races or two distinct divisions of one race. Ancient records all testify that the ruling class in those times was the Ethiopian. They founded the powerful priest caste.
<snip>
"This priesthood included the judges, physicians, astrologers, architects--in a word they united within themselves all the highest culture and the most distinguished offices of the land."
<snip>
"The laws, customs, religious observances and letters of the ancient Egyptians closely resembled the Ethiopians, the colony still observing the customs of their ancestors." Egyptians in later days affirmed, that they and their civilization came from the black tribes of Punt.
<snip>

Amenophis IV. tried to establish a new religion. Open war broke out between him and the priests of Amen. In enforced flight he retired to a new capital. Weakened by this strife he lost his hold upon the Asiatic provinces. The close of his reign found Egypt shorn of all that had been won by his predecessors. His successor speedily made peace with the priests of Amen and was permitted to be buried in the royal burying ground. Dynasty XIX, 1300 B. C. brings us to Ramses I and Seti I who restored the waning glory of Egypt.
<snip>

In XXII Dynasty of Egypt, the country having become so intermingled with foreign blood, the main body of the priests of Amen, who had ruled so long at Thebes, emigrated into Ethiopia. Favors shown foreigners so displeased the military class that they deserted in a body to Ethiopia, 240,000 soldiers. Pharaoh made overtures to them but they would not return. These were the former ruling class of Egypt returning to the land and culture from which they had originated

<snip>
No intelligent Egyptian worshipped the bull. It was only the symbol that represented Osiris. Any offense to it was an insult to him. Therefore the sacred animals were respected as deities.

<snip>
Reclus declares, <snip> Earlier works of art show the Egyptians to have been a kindly people who did not believe in charms. As the ages succeeded and Egypt became mingled with other races, her arts declined, she seemed to forget the meaning of her religion, and finally only animal worship remained.

<snip>
Budge in Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection, preface, tells us, "that the knowledge of the Egyptian priests of the real meaning of their religion after 1200 B. C. seemed extremely vague and uncertain. The early beliefs became buried in magic spells and amulets." Only a few clung to the old faith. 3400 B. C., Egypt had possessed a conception of truth, justice and righteousness. He continues page XIV, "that all characteristics indicate that the Egyptian religion was of African rather than Asiatic origin. Its true form died about 3000 years ago. The best explanation of the Egyptian religion could only be obtained from the religion of the Soudan." The priest caste of Egypt had been Ethiopian and the first rulers priest-kings. As they were overthrown the priesthood was not able so perfectly to dominate the thought of the empire. When the priests of Amen, the Ethiopian priesthood emigrated to Napata it is clear why Egypt lost the inner meaning of the religious cults.

(I-khan)
book recommendation: Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cush Empire

http://www.amazon.com/Wonderful-Ethi...e=UTF8&s=books

I am more than half way through,and what caught my attention in particular is that when she mentioned that the 'nubians' gave the peoples of 'kmt' their spiritual system that the peoples of kmt may have not understood all of it.

that book is available online here:
Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cush Empire (http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/we/index.htm)

it looks like the argument is that the original religion became distorted because the priests of amun lost their grasp on the nation, as it became polluted by foreign rule:

Egypt was inhabited in ancient days by two races or two distinct divisions of one race. Ancient records all testify that the ruling class in those times was the Ethiopian. They founded the powerful priest caste.
<snip>
"This priesthood included the judges, physicians, astrologers, architects--in a word they united within themselves all the highest culture and the most distinguished offices of the land."
<snip>
"The laws, customs, religious observances and letters of the ancient Egyptians closely resembled the Ethiopians, the colony still observing the customs of their ancestors." Egyptians in later days affirmed, that they and their civilization came from the black tribes of Punt.
<snip>

Amenophis IV. tried to establish a new religion. Open war broke out between him and the priests of Amen. In enforced flight he retired to a new capital. Weakened by this strife he lost his hold upon the Asiatic provinces. The close of his reign found Egypt shorn of all that had been won by his predecessors. His successor speedily made peace with the priests of Amen and was permitted to be buried in the royal burying ground. Dynasty XIX, 1300 B. C. brings us to Ramses I and Seti I who restored the waning glory of Egypt.
<snip>

In XXII Dynasty of Egypt, the country having become so intermingled with foreign blood, the main body of the priests of Amen, who had ruled so long at Thebes, emigrated into Ethiopia. Favors shown foreigners so displeased the military class that they deserted in a body to Ethiopia, 240,000 soldiers. Pharaoh made overtures to them but they would not return. These were the former ruling class of Egypt returning to the land and culture from which they had originated

<snip>
No intelligent Egyptian worshipped the bull. It was only the symbol that represented Osiris. Any offense to it was an insult to him. Therefore the sacred animals were respected as deities.

<snip>
Reclus declares, <snip> Earlier works of art show the Egyptians to have been a kindly people who did not believe in charms. As the ages succeeded and Egypt became mingled with other races, her arts declined, she seemed to forget the meaning of her religion, and finally only animal worship remained.

<snip>
Budge in Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection, preface, tells us, "that the knowledge of the Egyptian priests of the real meaning of their religion after 1200 B. C. seemed extremely vague and uncertain. The early beliefs became buried in magic spells and amulets." Only a few clung to the old faith. 3400 B. C., Egypt had possessed a conception of truth, justice and righteousness. He continues page XIV, "that all characteristics indicate that the Egyptian religion was of African rather than Asiatic origin. Its true form died about 3000 years ago. The best explanation of the Egyptian religion could only be obtained from the religion of the Soudan." The priest caste of Egypt had been Ethiopian and the first rulers priest-kings. As they were overthrown the priesthood was not able so perfectly to dominate the thought of the empire. When the priests of Amen, the Ethiopian priesthood emigrated to Napata it is clear why Egypt lost the inner meaning of the religious cults.

Quote:
"Egypt was inhabited in ancient days by two races or two distinct divisions of one race."

In recognition of my own "Ethiopian" geneaology, this has been the basis of my disagreement with those equating Egyptian/Kemetic and "Ethiopian" as one and the same.

If the Egyptians/Kemites themselves recognized this for sure even today Ethiopians even moreso continue to make a distinction.

This is why larger numbers of them referred as the "beta Israel". As I have stated before, this Priesthood, which they established was USURPED and that is not a personal issue!

Quote:

"Egyptians in later days affirmed, that they and their civilization came from the black tribes of Punt."

No argument from me. However, the land of Punt (Puanit) was in no ways the same geographically as Kemet (i.e. Egypt) or Nubia.

One group lived in the highlands. Another settled in the Valley.

What happended?

Quote:

As they were overthrown the priesthood was not able so perfectly to dominate the thought of the empire."

And when the "priests of Ethiopia" emigrated it was after who came into power???

"Om".

(I-khan)
book recommendation: Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cush Empire

http://www.amazon.com/Wonderful-Ethi...e=UTF8&s=books

I am more than half way through,and what caught my attention in particular is that when she mentioned that the 'nubians' gave the peoples of 'kmt' their spiritual system that the peoples of kmt may have not understood all of it.

that book is available online here:
Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cush Empire (http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/we/index.htm)

it looks like the argument is that the original religion became distorted because the priests of amun lost their grasp on the nation, as it became polluted by foreign rule:

Egypt was inhabited in ancient days by two races or two distinct divisions of one race. Ancient records all testify that the ruling class in those times was the Ethiopian. They founded the powerful priest caste.
<snip>
"This priesthood included the judges, physicians, astrologers, architects--in a word they united within themselves all the highest culture and the most distinguished offices of the land."
<snip>
"The laws, customs, religious observances and letters of the ancient Egyptians closely resembled the Ethiopians, the colony still observing the customs of their ancestors." Egyptians in later days affirmed, that they and their civilization came from the black tribes of Punt.
<snip>

Amenophis IV. tried to establish a new religion. Open war broke out between him and the priests of Amen. In enforced flight he retired to a new capital. Weakened by this strife he lost his hold upon the Asiatic provinces. The close of his reign found Egypt shorn of all that had been won by his predecessors. His successor speedily made peace with the priests of Amen and was permitted to be buried in the royal burying ground. Dynasty XIX, 1300 B. C. brings us to Ramses I and Seti I who restored the waning glory of Egypt.
<snip>

In XXII Dynasty of Egypt, the country having become so intermingled with foreign blood, the main body of the priests of Amen, who had ruled so long at Thebes, emigrated into Ethiopia. Favors shown foreigners so displeased the military class that they deserted in a body to Ethiopia, 240,000 soldiers. Pharaoh made overtures to them but they would not return. These were the former ruling class of Egypt returning to the land and culture from which they had originated

<snip>
No intelligent Egyptian worshipped the bull. It was only the symbol that represented Osiris. Any offense to it was an insult to him. Therefore the sacred animals were respected as deities.

<snip>
Reclus declares, <snip> Earlier works of art show the Egyptians to have been a kindly people who did not believe in charms. As the ages succeeded and Egypt became mingled with other races, her arts declined, she seemed to forget the meaning of her religion, and finally only animal worship remained.

<snip>
Budge in Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection, preface, tells us, "that the knowledge of the Egyptian priests of the real meaning of their religion after 1200 B. C. seemed extremely vague and uncertain. The early beliefs became buried in magic spells and amulets." Only a few clung to the old faith. 3400 B. C., Egypt had possessed a conception of truth, justice and righteousness. He continues page XIV, "that all characteristics indicate that the Egyptian religion was of African rather than Asiatic origin. Its true form died about 3000 years ago. The best explanation of the Egyptian religion could only be obtained from the religion of the Soudan." The priest caste of Egypt had been Ethiopian and the first rulers priest-kings. As they were overthrown the priesthood was not able so perfectly to dominate the thought of the empire. When the priests of Amen, the Ethiopian priesthood emigrated to Napata it is clear why Egypt lost the inner meaning of the religious cults.

I appreciate the clarification, I am also reading some works (ie www.nilevalleycivilization.com) that claim to have found migratory patterns that lead from west afruaka to the ta-seti/kmt area and back again over a course of thousands of years.

I appreciate the clarification, I am also reading some works (ie www.nilevalleycivilization.com) that claim to have found migratory patterns that lead from west afruaka to the ta-seti/kmt area and back again over a course of thousands of years.

This is very true. And DIOP spoke of this as well.

PEACE

(Music Producer) - The only way for any of us to claim your statement is that we blindly accept that the book is titled “Medw Neter”. Due to my respect of the author of the book I must go with what the author himself who wrote the title not once but twice, “Metu Neter”.

You can argue with the author all you want.

you have seen scanned pages of budge's definition of metu. it's disingenuous for you to pretend your argument has any basis. end of story.

metu neter is a kemetian phrase for their spiritual writings, and not something ra un nefer amen came up with.

you can't get this wrong and claim to know what you are talking about.

you arguing the spelling of translated words. it's a meaningless argument. if the title were written in hieroglyphics, or hieratic or demotic...etc. maybe you would have a basis for this argument. you can't choose the "version" of metu you wish to understand; as it is a translated word.

your argument is beyond stubborn for these reasons.
Refresh my memory; what is my argument?

This is my first post to this thread.......
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=445607&postcount=3
How do you contort that as me arguing it to not be of Egyptian origin?

I appreciate the clarification, I am also reading some works (ie www.nilevalleycivilization.com) that claim to have found migratory patterns that lead from west afruaka to the ta-seti/kmt area and back again over a course of thousands of years.

brother I-khan,

If you can somehow find this book you may find it useful.

It was published by the Republic of Ghana in 1979 and is authored by Osafo K. Osei, M.A. and entitled "African Heritage of the Akan".

It speaks to 'the Seven Original Families of the Akan'.

I mention this because "The Akan language is said to be Sudanic in nature."

Of the 12 "principal tribes" of particular is the NZIMA, which has a sub-clan known as the AXIM.

AXIM, AXUM.....signifies a possible relation.

Hotep

All Languages originated from the "First" language ever spoken by Hue-Mans...that is the "TWI". The TWI is the Absolute Origin of every and all spoken Languages...even unto this very day...are only variasions of the African TWI Language. The TWI people are the "Original" so-called African...that the African them self call the "Ancient-Ones" of whom Menis (little-people) was one of those great ones who during his administration and leadership..."United" all of (Merita) so-called Africa..."Upper and Lower"...Kemet (KMT). Understand...The whole of Africa and the (Tamert) Earth was called Kemet or KMT in ancient times and the small part we know of today (Egypt) was only the Capital of the "World" at that time. Know Thy Self and Know G-d and know how great you really are...African!

Ase`

http://www.worldlanguage.com/Languages/Twi.htm
http://www.language.com.au/twi.html
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/africa/lang.html
http://www.fiankoma.org/schoolsite/yourname.htm :spinstar:

Note: when it is said that "We" gave the world Civilization...that is Absolutely true and correct...the europians and every one else knows except the African (some) and African in (most) Amerikkka.


I did not address this post earlier but will do so now.

:bullseye:

Brother Moorfius was right on point and most other discussion/debate has drifted from the original question which I find typically to be the case.

However, according to the Akan, "Twi" along with "Fante" is a subdivision, not the ROOT LANGUAGE.

This speaks again to the Original Seven Families of the Akan and the 12 "principal tribes".


Brother Music Producer,

On another issue allow me to share something else if I may.

Many have asserted that "Kemet" and "Nubian" are one and the same and have spoken of a "race" known as the ANU, which we know also is the name of a Sumerian God of the Sky who was the Father of En.Ki.

If you check carefully Budge's Hieroglyphic dictionary

Amu=nomad Nubian Tribes
Amu=an asiatic
Atmu=the Creative soul of the 7th Creation
(see Auumit or Amut)

an, anu= scribe, scribes, educated, learned, title deeds, book, pages of a book, written papers

antu= division or boundary of land
aten= a disk or orb

Take the Sanskrit "Om" or AUM" and we find a relation to the "utterance" AMU.

As I tried to explain earlier, the "Anu" were not a "RACE" but a "CLASS" or "CASTE". They were, in essence, a class of Srribes who were charged with the task of Recording or the "reckoning of Time"

Thus in Sumerian they are equated with the Anu.N.Ki, the "Sons of Anu (The Chief Scribe" who were charged as the Watchers over Time and were also known as the Elohim and the Grigori.

The "aten" defines as a disk or orb, can and was applied to the sun, the moon , Osiris (Sirius), Isis (Sothis, Auset), Horus (Mars) etc. In the earlier period when the Lunar Calendar was in use, the "Aten" was equated with the Moon. To the Mayans it was equated with "venus" and formed the system by which they utilized the Venus Calendar.

Now let me explain how this came to me. Fasting from meat the past four days and meditating. Taking the utterance "OM" which also is AUM then studying and finding the correlation to the AMU.

There are very few references to the AMU in all the texts I have studied and for obvious reason. I will refrain for stating my opinion why this is the case but I do find very interesting how the numbers "7" and "12" in relation to the Original Families and 12 principal tribes is SIMILAR to what has been recorded in the His-Storical accounts of the Hebrew" and the "Egyptian".

Peace...

Amu=an asiatic
I suspect this one to be a lie. When ever the white man finds information that leads to the establishment of greatness or technology no matter where he is or what the image looks like he will automatically deduce the ancient information as being his people or a reference to him………..
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/teraneter.html

Amu, Aamu, Anu, Ann-u is just to close of a pronunciation for us to simply accept the Hyksos as being Caucasians when the Hyksos are referred to as “Aamu people”.

I think we should look at the original Egyptian name to describe the Hyksos, “hikau khausut”
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/hyksos.htm

Do you find a translation for “hikau khausut”?

I suspect this one to be a lie. When ever the white man finds information that leads to the establishment of greatness or technology no matter where he is or what the image looks like he will automatically deduce the ancient information as being his people or a reference to him………..
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/teraneter.html

Amu, Aamu, Anu, Ann-u is just to close of a pronunciation for us to simply accept the Hyksos as being Caucasians when the Hyksos are referred to as “Aamu people”.

I think we should look at the original Egyptian name to describe the Hyksos, “hikau khausut”
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/hyksos.htm

Do you find a translation for “hikau khausut”?

Quote:

"I think we should look at the original Egyptian name to describe the Hyksos, "hikau khasut"

I agree, however Im not sure if Troy Fox is an authority on this matter. What original texts is this mentioned because I have found no other source mentioning such by that name.

As far as my earlier statement concerning the "Anu" or the Amu" I was simpply citing how each has been translated. I did not mention that "Anu" was also the name of a "nome God" or that there also was that by the name of "aamu".

Also, The word "Kemet" is not exactly the same as the name for "Kush" which was Kes, or Kest.

Quite frankly, I am going more at this point by written TEXTS rather than articles posted on websites.

If I find a reference to the 'hikau khasut' (hka khst) in one of my texts I will let you know.

Note:

Each reference that I have found concerning the term in which you inquire is based upon Manetho's etymology which was written in the 3rd century B.C.

I am searching for written material that established that the hyksos were referenced by this name prior to the writings of Manetho, particularly in hieratic script.

I appreciate the clarification, I am also reading some works (ie www.nilevalleycivilization.com) that claim to have found migratory patterns that lead from west afruaka to the ta-seti/kmt area and back again over a course of thousands of years.

I have a link to a documentary on the migratory patterns of the Africans who inhabited the Sahara when it was actually fertile land thousands of years before Dynastic Kemet. This shows a continuous African civilized presence from the Atlantic Ocean to the Nile Valley. It shows that once the climate changed, the people were forced to search for a steady supply of water to the South and East, being the Niger and Nile Rivers.

http://www.lincoln.edu/history/his307/kmt-clips/dvdsn-01-sahara.wmv

Dr. Chiekh Anta Diop also mentions this in his African Origin of Civilization. Oh yeah, there is an important note in this video that Music Producer should take heed since he is so adamant that the Asiatic Hyksos brought chariotry into Africa. Thousands of years before Dynastic Kemet, the formation of chariots were found in these cave paintings of the Sahara; these are the same people who migrated into the Nile Valley millenia before the Hyksos period in Kemet.

High Priest:

How is your study going, have you found anything yet?

what I have found , is that, "Medu Mba" in Bamileke language is not a sacramental practice as I said before. As a result I take that one out. Now, In Bamileke language ( in Kameroon west Africa) the word "Medu Mba" means :<< I speak wisdom or the Words of wisdom, the words of the wise . GOD>> And this is in African language.Bamileke. And the autor of this translation is Mr P. Mandjudja Nguegang .He says on his website (the site is in french) that Metu Neter and Medu Mba are the same things. Here is the WebPage ;http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/francais/articles/medu-neter.html Now, I will advise that , any one interested in Metu Neter or Medu Mba should learn Bamileke language and find out more. To finish, I will say that, I`m African myself from Ivory Coast west Africa so I don`t need to go to Africa to know , as someone said it before.

Bless you all.

what I have found , is that, "Medu Mba" in Bamileke language is not a sacramental practice as I said before. As a result I take that one out. Now, In Bamileke language ( in Kameroon west Africa) the word "Medu Mba" means :<< I speak wisdom or the Words of wisdom, the words of the wise . GOD>> And this is in African language.Bamileke. And the autor of this translation is Mr P. Mandjudja Nguegang .He says on his website (the site is in french) that Metu Neter and Medu Mba are the same things. Here is the WebPage ;http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/francais/articles/medu-neter.html Now, I will advise that , any one interested in Metu Neter or Medu Mba should learn Bamileke language and find out more. To finish, I will say that, I`m African myself from Ivory Coast west Africa so I don`t need to go to Africa to know , as someone said it before.

Bless you all.
Thanks,

Any chance this web site will be translated to English?

what I have found , is that, "Medu Mba" in Bamileke language is not a sacramental practice as I said before. As a result I take that one out. Now, In Bamileke language ( in Kameroon west Africa) the word "Medu Mba" means :<< I speak wisdom or the Words of wisdom, the words of the wise . GOD>> And this is in African language.Bamileke. And the autor of this translation is Mr P. Mandjudja Nguegang .He says on his website (the site is in french) that Metu Neter and Medu Mba are the same things. Here is the WebPage ;http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/francais/articles/medu-neter.html Now, I will advise that , any one interested in Metu Neter or Medu Mba should learn Bamileke language and find out more. To finish, I will say that, I`m African myself from Ivory Coast west Africa so I don`t need to go to Africa to know , as someone said it before.

Bless you all.

Thanks for posting this. I do believe that Bamileke and Akan are both within the KWA language family, which are classified as NIGER-CONGO.

Please correct me if I am in error!

(SAMURAI36) - http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780964066113&itm=1

This is the only dictionary I go by now


(Music Producer) - Sorry dude but I have been looking at several Hieroglyphic Dictionaries besides Wallis Budge because I like to get more input and the one thing that has stopped me from buying other Hieroglyphic Dictionaries is the price tag. I aint about to buy no book for no $131.

i was able to get a copy of "let the ancestor's speak" from afriware (http://www.afriware.net/booklist.htm) for $19.95. it is actually a grammar study guide and not a pure dictionary. it teaches to read, write and understand medu. thus, it's more of a compliment to budge's dictionaries, and will provide a more correct pronunciation.

(SAMURAI36) - http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780964066113&itm=1

This is the only dictionary I go by now


(Music Producer) - Sorry dude but I have been looking at several Hieroglyphic Dictionaries besides Wallis Budge because I like to get more input and the one thing that has stopped me from buying other Hieroglyphic Dictionaries is the price tag. I aint about to buy no book for no $131.

i was able to get a copy of "let the ancestor's speak" from afriware (http://www.afriware.net/booklist.htm) for $19.95. it is actually a grammar study guide and not a pure dictionary. it teaches to read, write and understand medu. thus, it's more of a compliment to budge's dictionaries, and will provide a more correct pronunciation.
Thanks for the Truth Brother, these cats running around here been calling it a dictionary.

(SAMURAI36) - http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780964066113&itm=1

This is the only dictionary I go by now


(Music Producer) - Sorry dude but I have been looking at several Hieroglyphic Dictionaries besides Wallis Budge because I like to get more input and the one thing that has stopped me from buying other Hieroglyphic Dictionaries is the price tag. I aint about to buy no book for no $131.

i was able to get a copy of "let the ancestor's speak" from afriware (http://www.afriware.net/booklist.htm) for $19.95. it is actually a grammar study guide and not a pure dictionary. it teaches to read, write and understand medu. thus, it's more of a compliment to budge's dictionaries, and will provide a more correct pronunciation.

I would only slightly disagree with at least part of your statement:

While it's true that it is not a mere "pure dictionary", it still goes into great detail, with defining terms in Kemetic language. In this respect, it serves more as an anti-thesis of Budges work, moreso than a compliment.

Also, as a grammar tool, it's not to be underestimated. It gives clear definitions of the shift in cursory style of Kemau throughout the ages, as well as definitive explanations of the Kemetic numeral system--all of which Budge's work fails to do.

For that matter, you would need more than just a mere dictionary, in order to truly understand the Kemetic language. For example, no one questions how Budge had even come up with his interpretations of the words; how did he conclude that one word meant "tree" in Kemau, and another word meant "water"? Outside of the Rosetta Stone, what was his criterion?

PEACE

You just answered you own question.


Outside of the Rosetta Stone, what was his criterion?

The Rosetta Stone was the ONLY find that is the foundation for all Egyptian to eventual English translations.

(SAMURAI36) - I would only slightly disagree with at least part of your statement:

While it's true that it is not a mere "pure dictionary", it still goes into great detail, with defining terms in Kemetic language. In this respect, it serves more as an anti-thesis of Budges work, moreso than a compliment.

Also, as a grammar tool, it's not to be underestimated. It gives clear definitions of the shift in cursory style of Kemau throughout the ages, as well as definitive explanations of the Kemetic numeral system--all of which Budge's work fails to do.

i absolutely agree with you. in attempting to understand medu, "let the ancestors speak" is the principle guide. in terms of understanding or pronunciation, "let the ancestors speak" must take precedent to all of budges works.

you wouldn't "learn english" by reading a dictionary. thus you don't "learn" medu by studying budge's dictionaries.

also, budge's "first steps in egyptian hieroglyphics" is woefully inadequate in comparison to "let the ancestors speak".

i agree with you 100% on the importance of this book.

(Music Producer) - You just answered you own question.


The Rosetta Stone was the ONLY find that is the foundation for all Egyptian to eventual English translations.

this is only true to the european world.

medu was preserved in africa.
we know that the dogon, igbo, akan and yoruba were all in kemet at one point. i don't know how many more tribes were present.
as medu was reserved for spiritual texts, it is kept in secret.

"let the ancestors speak" addresses part of the connection.

(Music Producer) - You just answered you own question.


The Rosetta Stone was the ONLY find that is the foundation for all Egyptian to eventual English translations.

this is only true to the european world.

medu was preserved in africa.
we know that the dogon, igbo, akan and yoruba were all in kemet at one point. i don't know how many more tribes were present.
as medu was reserved for spiritual texts, it is kept in secret.

"let the ancestors speak" addresses part of the connection.

Yet another book that would require READING, in order to refute.

I had asserted months ago, that Nubians in Southern Egypt/Northern Sudan still speak the language, and practice customs, both of which remain unabated to this very day.

As you stated, several Black scholars have demonstrated this point:

*DIOP in the body of his works

*OBENGA (the living protege of DIOP) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophile_Obenga

*MUATA ASHBY

*and lastly, but no less significant, RA UN NEFER AMEN

Ironically, all these men are/were African born.

Additionally, for anyone to think that the ROSETTA STONE is the only clear connection to Kemet, then you are sorely mistaken.

Knowledge beyond this notion lies not only within the literature of the men above, but also within the living example that is the Motherland.

If anyone is content not to read or travel, then there would be no greater darkness, than your own ignorance.
PEACE

(Music Producer) - You just answered you own question.


The Rosetta Stone was the ONLY find that is the foundation for all Egyptian to eventual English translations.

this is only true to the european world.

medu was preserved in africa.
we know that the dogon, igbo, akan and yoruba were all in kemet at one point. i don't know how many more tribes were present.
as medu was reserved for spiritual texts, it is kept in secret.

"let the ancestors speak" addresses part of the connection.
“Let the ancestors Speak”, is it or is it not a hieroglyphic dictionary in which I can use to translate several Egyptian stories of the gods?

Please name the tribes in Africa today that can read Egyptian Hieroglyphs and did not obtain the ability from European studies.


as medu was reserved for spiritual texts, it is kept in secret.

As far as I know, through my study of Dogon, they continue to have no written language and never have had one, there is no use for it because the elders of the people transmit religiously to the younger what they need to know and understand about themselves as a people. The text at the bottom pages of the Pale Fox is indeed only an English sound equivalency of the Dogon singing a song.

If we use this to recapture the original Egyptian sounds, tongue and meaning then the names of all Egyptian gods would have to be dropped and referring to them as gods would have to be dropped etc….. The entire concept of Egyptian theology that has been manifested and put fourth by Europeans in their own studies would have to be dropped because the Dogon are Monotheist and Amma is the ONLY Being they refer to as GOD, all others are ancestors.

And actually when one does a true reading and takes an in-depth look at the Dogon song of Creation. One realizes what they call ancestors are in reality chemicals, elements and microscopic biological organisms that were created and used by Amma to manifest the Universe, to put life in Himself as the Universe.
I have not completed my reading of the Pale Fox, once I do I will be able to elaborate more.

I will tell you this…..I just finished reading a particular section last night and it even reveals the origin of the Crucifixion.

“Let the ancestors Speak”, is it or is it not a hieroglyphic dictionary in which I can use to translate several Egyptian stories of the gods?

Please name the tribes in Africa today that can read Egyptian Hieroglyphs and did not obtain the ability from European studies.


As far as I know, through my study of Dogon, they continue to have no written language and never have had one, there is no use for it because the elders of the people transmit religiously to the younger what they need to know and understand about themselves as a people. The text at the bottom pages of the Pale Fox is indeed only an English sound equivalency of the Dogon singing a song.

If we use this to recapture the original Egyptian sounds, tongue and meaning then the names of all Egyptian gods would have to be dropped and referring to them as gods would have to be dropped etc….. The entire concept of Egyptian theology that has been manifested and put fourth by Europeans in their own studies would have to be dropped because the Dogon are Monotheist and Amma is the ONLY Being they refer to as GOD, all others are ancestors.

And actually when one does a true reading and takes an in-depth look at the Dogon song of Creation. One realizes what they call ancestors are in reality chemicals, elements and microscopic biological organisms that were created and used by Amma to manifest the Universe, to put life in Himself as the Universe.
I have not completed my reading of the Pale Fox, once I do I will be able to elaborate more.

I will tell you this…..I just finished reading a particular section last night and it even reveals the origin of the Crucifixion.

i have read that the Dogon were actually the priest class in Egypt at one time....forgot where i read it tho

(Music Producer) - Please name the tribes in Africa today that can read Egyptian Hieroglyphs and did not obtain the ability from European studies.

i have also heard that the dogon were kemetic priests, and were able to read medu. we have the stories of priestly castes in kemet fleeing on multiple occasions.
also, under king khufu, a brotherhood of priests was setup across africa by one of khufu's high priests.

the igbo state that they were in kemet and left, in the book "after god is dibia vol 2" it is mentioned that the igbo had several scripts that were reserved for spiritual teachings and only known to the priesthood. but the exact nature of the scripts isn't stated.

(Music Producer) - As far as I know, through my study of Dogon, they continue to have no written language and never have had one there is no use for it because the elders of the people transmit religiously to the younger what they need to know and understand about themselves as a people.

it's my understanding that written language was preserved, reserved for spiritual teachings, and is a secret reserved only for some initiated priests in a tribe. thus, a european studying the dogon may not have been told, and may not have spoken with someone who would know this.

when the yoruba, igbo, akan, dogon...etc all literally state that their ancestors were in kemet; and we know kemet had written language...why do we believe that written language was lost?

the greeks got their script from canaan, canaan was black. diop documents this.
it's really the europeans that never developed a script.

(Music Producer) - the Dogon are Monotheist and Amma is the ONLY Being they refer to as GOD, all others are ancestors.

in this forum we've demonstrated that you are wrong abou the dogon. the dogon are not monotheists as you believe. i don't understand how you have come to that conclusion based on the books in your posession.

(Music Producer) - “Let the ancestors Speak”, is it or is it not a hieroglyphic dictionary in which I can use to translate several Egyptian stories of the gods?

if you want to learn to speak and read hieroglyphics, i'd suggest getting "let the ancestors speak". additionally, you will be able to appreciate the more subtle meaning of the glyphs. if you want to translate kemetic stories on your own, i would definitely reccommending getting "let the ancestors speak".

however, i am very concerned with what your translations will say :)

(Music Producer) - Please name the tribes in Africa today that can read Egyptian Hieroglyphs and did not obtain the ability from European studies.

i have also heard that the dogon were kemetic priests, and were able to read medu. we have the stories of priestly castes in kemet fleeing on multiple occasions.
also, under king khufu, a brotherhood of priests was setup across africa by one of khufu's high priests.

the igbo state that they were in kemet and left, in the book "after god is dibia vol 2" it is mentioned that the igbo had several scripts that were reserved for spiritual teachings and only known to the priesthood. but the exact nature of the scripts isn't stated.

The only problem with this, lies in the fact that we are left to discern where the DOGON as an exact entity was the cause of Kemet, or the result of it.

DIOP (and the others that I mentioned in an above post) states that these large, complex societies were the result of remnants of Kemet after they fled invasion.

If that's the case, and if the DOGON were a mere part of these remnants, then their theology is also a mere remnant. And since they have no written language (spiritually exclusive or otherwise), then we have no way of proving any assertion about it.

(Music Producer) - As far as I know, through my study of Dogon, they continue to have no written language and never have had one there is no use for it because the elders of the people transmit religiously to the younger what they need to know and understand about themselves as a people.

it's my understanding that written language was preserved, reserved for spiritual teachings, and is a secret reserved only for some initiated priests in a tribe. thus, a european studying the dogon may not have been told, and may not have spoken with someone who would know this.

In the absence of the evidence, I'm willing to concede to this notion.

when the yoruba, igbo, akan, dogon...etc all literally state that their ancestors were in kemet; and we know kemet had written language...why do we believe that written language was lost?

Aha!! We now come to the crux of it all.

the greeks got their script from canaan, canaan was black. diop documents this.
it's really the europeans that never developed a script.

Precisely.

(Music Producer) - the Dogon are Monotheist and Amma is the ONLY Being they refer to as GOD, all others are ancestors.

in this forum we've demonstrated that you are wrong abou the dogon. the dogon are not monotheists as you believe. i don't understand how you have come to that conclusion based on the books in your posession.[/QUOTE]

It's pointless to wait around for this answer. He's not even going to tell us how the QABALAH works.

however, i am very concerned with what your translations will say :)

:lol:

Perhaps something along the lines of "Thus sayeth Ptah-Hotep: My ancestor Ankhen-Aten and "Adon-Ay" will be solely responsible for all things spiritual from here on....In fact, I don't even know why I'm wasting my time writing the Maxims, because they will be obsolete in a few hundred years, when my man Ankhen-Aten arrives".

:lol:

PEACE

(Music Producer) - Please name the tribes in Africa today that can read Egyptian Hieroglyphs and did not obtain the ability from European studies.

i have also heard that the dogon were kemetic priests, and were able to read medu. we have the stories of priestly castes in kemet fleeing on multiple occasions.
also, under king khufu, a brotherhood of priests was setup across africa by one of khufu's high priests.

the igbo state that they were in kemet and left, in the book "after god is dibia vol 2" it is mentioned that the igbo had several scripts that were reserved for spiritual teachings and only known to the priesthood. but the exact nature of the scripts isn't stated.

(Music Producer) - As far as I know, through my study of Dogon, they continue to have no written language and never have had one there is no use for it because the elders of the people transmit religiously to the younger what they need to know and understand about themselves as a people.

it's my understanding that written language was preserved, reserved for spiritual teachings, and is a secret reserved only for some initiated priests in a tribe. thus, a european studying the dogon may not have been told, and may not have spoken with someone who would know this.

when the yoruba, igbo, akan, dogon...etc all literally state that their ancestors were in kemet; and we know kemet had written language...why do we believe that written language was lost?

the greeks got their script from canaan, canaan was black. diop documents this.
it's really the europeans that never developed a script.

(Music Producer) - the Dogon are Monotheist and Amma is the ONLY Being they refer to as GOD, all others are ancestors.

in this forum we've demonstrated that you are wrong abou the dogon. the dogon are not monotheists as you believe. i don't understand how you have come to that conclusion based on the books in your posession.

i have also heard that the dogon were kemetic priests, and were able to read medu. we have the stories of priestly castes in kemet fleeing on multiple occasions.
also, under king khufu, a brotherhood of priests was setup across africa by one of khufu's high priests.

the igbo state that they were in kemet and left, in the book "after god is dibia vol 2" it is mentioned that the igbo had several scripts that were reserved for spiritual teachings and only known to the priesthood. but the exact nature of the scripts isn't stated.

Well, this would all be fine and dandy but the problem is the Dogon have an Oral history of being in Egypt that predates the flooding of the earth. They say the reason they left Egypt is because they were warned by the Nummo to get away from the river and go to high land which is one of the reasons they continue to this day to make their villages literally on mountain tops and high lands. Thus the Dogon story of being in Egypt predates any dynastic period.


it's my understanding that written language was preserved, reserved for spiritual teachings, and is a secret reserved only for some initiated priests in a tribe. thus, a european studying the dogon may not have been told, and may not have spoken with someone who would know this.

I doubt that is true seeing I just read a section in the Pale Fox where they allowed photos to be taken of the initiation table and explained it in detail and did the same with the divination table and also allowed the team to photograph sacred drawings. I suspect Griaule was initiated because the Dogon understood what he would do with the information. One of the first things Ogotemmeli said to Griaule was, “GOD sent you, GOD sent you”, and then he explained that the information he was about to receive is for all mankind to receive.

It will be difficult to destroy or alter Griaule’s works because of the original sounding English representation of the Dogon Song. It shows that as Griaule was recording this, the Priest was singing the entire thing. The best thing I like about how it was recorded is it was translated into English by a Dogon who had learned the English language instead of the other way around.


in this forum we've demonstrated that you are wrong abou the dogon. the dogon are not monotheists as you believe. i don't understand how you have come to that conclusion based on the books in your posession.

What other entity do the Dogon refer to as GOD besides Amma?

I understand why you will try to destroy the Dogon theology. You have read the books and you have seen where Kemet barrowed, corrupted and twisted their ideals and instead of revealing the Truth of this, you have elected to misrepresent the Dogon in order to protect the Kemet version.

This is wrong in principal and morality.

(SAMURAI36) - If that's the case, and if the DOGON were a mere part of these remnants, then their theology is also a mere remnant. And since they have no written language (spiritually exclusive or otherwise), then we have no way of proving any assertion about it.

it's my understanding that kemet was a confederation of african tribes, and the dogon was apart of that confederation. master naba at the earth center is a dogon spiritual healer that teaches a kemetic doctrine; including medu. they say the dogon have medu neter papyrus that aren't shown outside of africa.

here is master naba's answer to this issue:
http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?home/faq#21
21. I have heard of the Dogon and I have heard of Kemet but I thought they were two different things. How are they related? How can he (Master Naba) be both?

There are misconceptions surrounding both the Dogon and Kemet. Kemet is a territory much larger than just Ancient "Egypt" it is determined by value and spiritual system. The Dogon are made up of certain bloodlines whose job it was to protect the highest knowledge of the universe. The bloodlines are dispersed through Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger.

(Music Producer) - I doubt that is true seeing I just read a section in the Pale Fox where they allowed photos to be taken of the initiation table and explained it in detail and did the same with the divination table and also allowed the team to photograph sacred drawings. I suspect Griaule was initiated because the Dogon understood what he would do with the information.

there is no reason to believe that the european observers know all of dogon knowledge that there is to know other than the fact that you wish to believe that.

(Music Producer) - What other entity do the Dogon refer to as GOD besides Amma?

do you deny that they pray and making offerings to their ancestors and the nummo?

(Music Producer) - I understand why you will try to destroy the Dogon theology.

we've argued this before, and you didn't have a response for the words in the books you claim to own. entire chapters are dedicated to explaining the worship of beings other than amma.

honestly i think you would be outraged if you visited the dogon.

let's look at the earth center's claim regarding religion:
http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?home/faq#26
26. What religion is this associated with?

The Earth Center is a spiritual center that teaches a greater understanding of what is required to live a spiritual life. It far predates all religions, as well as the practice of choosing to honor one God over others (monotheism).

now, why should we discount what a dogon spiritual healer has to say?

is there any reason to think that master naba's ideas, which are in sync with other atr's and the kemetic teachings we know of; are somehow less credible than your interpretation that demonstrably contradicts the sources (european observers) you cite?

(Music Producer) - I doubt that is true seeing I just read a section in the Pale Fox where they allowed photos to be taken of the initiation table and explained it in detail and did the same with the divination table and also allowed the team to photograph sacred drawings. I suspect Griaule was initiated because the Dogon understood what he would do with the information.

there is no reason to believe that the european observers know all of dogon knowledge that there is to know other than the fact that you wish to believe that.

(Music Producer) - What other entity do the Dogon refer to as GOD besides Amma?

do you deny that they pray and making offerings to their ancestors and the nummo?

(Music Producer) - I understand why you will try to destroy the Dogon theology.

we've argued this before, and you didn't have a response for the words in the books you claim to own. entire chapters are dedicated to explaining the worship of beings other than amma.

honestly i think you would be outraged if you visited the dogon.

let's look at the earth center's claim regarding religion:
http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?home/faq#26
26. What religion is this associated with?

The Earth Center is a spiritual center that teaches a greater understanding of what is required to live a spiritual life. It far predates all religions, as well as the practice of choosing to honor one God over others (monotheism).

now, why should we discount what a dogon spiritual healer has to say?

is there any reason to think that master naba's ideas, which are in sync with other atr's and the kemetic teachings we know of; are somehow less credible than your interpretation that demonstrably contradicts the sources (european observers) you cite?

there is no reason to believe that the european observers know all of dogon knowledge that there is to know other than the fact that you wish to believe that.

There is no reason to believe that the Dogon would have left out critical understanding of Amma when they knew the European would publish a book revealing knowledge designated as being