Ground Rules

Our initial purpose is collective spiritual and educational enlightenment.

We will undoubtedly engage in spirited discussion, but we will maintain that discussion with the highest regard and respect for each other.

No belief system is beyond analysis here, and personal assaults of any form are not welcome.

Should our momentum lead us towards it, we may embark on a secondary purpose of an anthology which syncretizes the work to take place here.

With the above purpose in mind, we will make a practice of completing whatever prayer/meditation/libation required to ensure our minds and spirit are aligned prior to posting.

From the collection of tremendous minds here, tremendous deeds can be accomplished.

I will co-sign on this.

I'd like to add an inscription from a temple in Kemet

That which is revealed to you ceases to be a mystery only to you.

This is espcially true of African spiritual systems which are not based on revelations given to one person who indoctrinates the whole world. The ability of our 'Creator to communicate with us is limitless and without confinement of any kind. So an eclectic, non dogmatic approach such as we are about to embark on will in itself put a touch of our common African heritage in everthing we undertake to study.

Ground Rules

Our initial purpose is collective spiritual and educational enlightenment.

We will undoubtedly engage in spirited discussion, but we will maintain that discussion with the highest regard and respect for each other.

No belief system is beyond analysis here, and personal assaults of any form are not welcome.

Should our momentum lead us towards it, we may embark on a secondary purpose of an anthology which syncretizes the work to take place here.

With the above purpose in mind, we will make a practice of completing whatever prayer/meditation/libation required to ensure our minds and spirit are aligned prior to posting.

From the collection of tremendous minds here, tremendous deeds can be accomplished.

Brother Kemetkind ... i agree with all that you've said above.

I'd like to add that our home, this community, has high standards in general, when it comes to our interacting in peaceful and respectful manners. In this particular forum, even more will be required of every participant. Consider it a classroom. Be respectful of each other. If you don't do this, you will not be allowed to particpate in this forum, and possibly in this community.

Perhaps all Members that take part in this forum, should sign (post to this thread) indicating that they have read and agree to the Ground Rules? Word is Bond. Just a suggestion.

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Destee

Well done...

I support and will abide by the ground rules set within this forum and thread, as it pertains to a better understanding of spirtuality and how it relates to us as black folk...

Let the studying and communing of souls begin!!!!

Seems quite limited in my OPINION. How about past African beliefs reaching the New World and practices.

Santaria, Yoruba (now and then), Congo spirituality, New Orleans voo doo, Gullah beliefs (hoo doo), superstitions (past and present) etc.

Spiritual quotes in African languages, etc

If African traditional is just Egyptian civilization then we miss the other GREATER AMOUNT of African derived SPIRITUAL MATTERS.

Even ones that are RIGHT BENEATH our CLASS WINDOWS VIEW of the WORLD.

I have a feeling this will be as DIVIDED as the CHURCH is.

Limited

Oh well.

I am not making any suggesting to ACCOMODATE but anything is better than NOTHING I suppose.

Seems quite limited in my OPINION. How about past African beliefs reaching the New World and practices.

Santaria, Yoruba (now and then), Congo spirituality, New Orleans voo doo, Gullah beliefs (hoo doo), superstitions (past and present) etc.

Spiritual quotes in African languages, etc

If African traditional is just Egyptian civilization then we miss the other GREATER AMOUNT of African derived SPIRITUAL MATTERS.

Even ones that are RIGHT BENEATH our CLASS WINDOWS VIEW of the WORLD.

I have a feeling this will be as DIVIDED as the CHURCH is.

Limited

Oh well.

I am not making any suggesting to ACCOMODATE but anything is better than NOTHING I suppose.


Brother DustyElbow ... we have only just begun. Brother Kemetkind has made it clear that all texts are welcome for consideration, all one has to do is suggest it.

Brother ... you're throwing salt in the game, and we haven't even started yet.

Does your post to this thread mean you are going to work with us, helping to make this effort be as positive and enlightening as possible, or are you just wanting to give us the gloom and doom you see over the horizon?

I do hope you're going to work with us on this, as we'd love to have your positive participation.

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Destee

Yes Dusty, you seem very knowledgeable about various African traditions and your contribution would be more than welcome.

Ground Rules

Our initial purpose is collective spiritual and educational enlightenment.

We will undoubtedly engage in spirited discussion, but we will maintain that discussion with the highest regard and respect for each other.

No belief system is beyond analysis here, and personal assaults of any form are not welcome.

Should our momentum lead us towards it, we may embark on a secondary purpose of an anthology which syncretizes the work to take place here.

With the above purpose in mind, we will make a practice of completing whatever prayer/meditation/libation required to ensure our minds and spirit are aligned prior to posting.

From the collection of tremendous minds here, tremendous deeds can be accomplished.
Agreed.

I would like to add the Koran to our list.

Seems quite limited in my OPINION. How about past African beliefs reaching the New World and practices.

Santaria, Yoruba (now and then), Congo spirituality, New Orleans voo doo, Gullah beliefs (hoo doo), superstitions (past and present) etc.

Spiritual quotes in African languages, etc

If African traditional is just Egyptian civilization then we miss the other GREATER AMOUNT of African derived SPIRITUAL MATTERS.

Even ones that are RIGHT BENEATH our CLASS WINDOWS VIEW of the WORLD.

I have a feeling this will be as DIVIDED as the CHURCH is.

Limited

Oh well.

I am not making any suggesting to ACCOMODATE but anything is better than NOTHING I suppose.


Hey DustyElbow...I didn't see this earlier.

Check this post out...it has some texts that pertain the religions you mentioned (yoruba, etc).
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=444564&postcount=22

Your point is valid but we can't cover everything at once.

Our process was to brainstorm a list of texts from different belief systems, then choose a few and start studying them.

As we rotate through different belief systems and as more people get involved, I'm sure more texts will be added.

If you have specific texts please add them to the list...eventually we will schedule it in.

Some of the initial texts we're biting off are some heavy hitters, so it will be several months before we get there.

I'll go ahead and start a seperate thread for the listing of African texts...

Hope you join us....

Peace

I would like to add the Koran to our list.

For sure when we get to islam Quran is at the top of the list.

We've already got several Quran texts on the list...check out
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=444366&postcount=11
and go to around 474 or so. When we get there we definitely want to append the islamic texts pertaining most to us as this list was created from what is freely available at sacred-texts.com...

I'll put a thread up for master list of spiritual texts...

I read and agreed ...swell job here, I will be checking in from time to time...^5

Hi Family
I posting to this thread indicating that I read the Ground Rules and understand

Peace & LoveBrother Kemetkind ... i agree with all that you've said above.

I'd like to add that our home, this community, has high standards in general, when it comes to our interacting in peaceful and respectful manners. In this particular forum, even more will be required of every participant. Consider it a classroom. Be respectful of each other. If you don't do this, you will not be allowed to particpate in this forum, and possibly in this community.

Perhaps all Members that take part in this forum, should sign (post to this thread) indicating that they have read and agree to the Ground Rules? Word is Bond. Just a suggestion.

:heart:

Destee

Lately, I have been more drawn to discover the origin of my people. As a starting point, I completed an Ethics course that really exposed to me the world and society’s influence on thought and perception. In our world, we teach a Psuedo-scholarship. A form of scholarship that does not follow the basic rules of scholarship. For example, we do not learn for understanding so that we can make changes; we learn for knowledge so that we can duplicate. Nevertheless, I was also looking for some direction, and at the end of the semester I purchased a Bible. I read the first six books, but put it to the side as my next semester started. I wanted to be really focused in school. I enrolled in an African American history course. The first two chapters of my text book discussed the two kingdoms of Africa and the Atlantic Slave Trade. Surprisingly, my reading of the Bible and the situations and circumstances of the Africans seemed to have a reflection of each other. Finally, I gave in and started to read my Bible again from the beginning. I now had increased knowledge of world.
Wholeheartedly, I knew after reading the first five books of Moses the second time; that it was possible that Africans are Israelites. In my heart, there were no questions. I continued to read the Bible and noticed “King” David fled Israel when King Saul wanted his life. Also, the kingdom of Judah was born and Jerusalem established in the land where “King David” fled. This is where King David built the “City of David”. King David and his son King Solomon never lived among the Israelite nation as rulers. Although, some Israelites followed and dwelt among them. After King Solomon’s death the new kingdom Judah and the Israelite nation parted ways, because of the slavery under the thrown. This is when Babylon comes in and conquers the kingdom of Judah. The Israelites that rebelled against King David’s thrown are known throughout the world as “The Worst Of The Unbelievers” especially in the Middle East and Holy Lands. These Israelites have supposedly been punished and extinguished.
I continued to read and realized that the Bible is truly the book of wisdom and understanding. The Bible has taught me the origin of the world, nations, the Black nation, religions, beliefs, world concepts, and ways of thinking. Most importantly it told me who I am, what God wants from me and the desired condition of my heart. During my third reading of the Bible in less than five months, God gave me proof. I was just finishing the eight minor prophets, from Hosea to Malachi. I began thinking about Israelites selling Israelites into slavery and all Israelites being punished. Also, the fact that Israelites had been slaves in every World Superpower. I realized that I had just read the eight minor prophets prophecy the destruction of Africa and the Atlantic Slave Trade. Africa is Israel and the southern kingdom of Israel and Judah. Present day Israel, which was established in 1943 by the United States, is the kingdom of Judah and the northern kingdom of Israel and Judah. It all depended on who or what nation was translating. The Holy Lands were trampled for centuries after the prophets, and for the sake of history the world tried to recreate the scene. Therefore history has renamed the Israelites that rebelled against the throne of King David the Ku****es. Those that followed King David solely held the title of Israelites. Sadly, the kingdom of Judah intermixed and led us to confusion of face, because the world attempted to exclude the Ku****es and Ethiopians. Look at an ancient world map, present day Israel looks like mini Africa.
The last of the eight minor prophets prophesied in Babylon and Persia, which were the last true world superpowers before Jesus birth. King Cyrus the Great freed Israelite slaves from that new kingdom of Judah. Greece conquered Persia in the 300BCs. Then, Rome followed Greece into the Holy Lands. History tells us that Middle Easterners held Blacks in slavery before Europeans. Also, Blacks had been under Muslim practices until just before the Atlantic slave trade. Nevertheless, the only nation of people to be plucked up out of their land and scattered throughout the nations from that time until now is Africans. We are Israelites and descendants of Shem. Every nation of color came from us through intermixing slave masters and slaves. Abraham did father many nations. Middle Easterners know that they come from black people and trace their heritage back to Ismail, Abraham’s son and Isaac’s brother. We are the only nation to ever go into slavery 400yrs; to suffer bondage and affliction from 1460’s to 1860’s. History tells us that it took our forefathers 40 years to build the Pyramids before suddenly the slaves stopped working and Egypt fell. In addition, the Israelites outnumbered Egyptians and dwelled closer to Ethiopia because shepherds were not wanted among Egyptians. Our forefathers dwelt in that land 430yrs. Because it all belonged to Egypt up until that point. We have been a blessing to every nation as the labor force of every Kingdom. God said “the way you treat the least of my children is how you treat me.” Every world superpower fell and we came out of them, yet we have never gone back to God. We are the only nation to witness him when he brought us out of Egypt, and that is the reason for our obviously deeper conviction to God than any other people. Attached to this introduction to new understanding, is the reality of the prophecies of the eight minor prophets. Taken from the first two chapters of “African American Odyssey” Third Edition, by Darlene Hine, William Hine, and Stanley Harold.
In conclusion, God is not a man nor should he lie. The secret things belong to us and our children. We are the most peculiar people on the planet because we have a different heart. God is in our heart. In a world that is upside down and evil rules the world; God’s people are powerless and at the bottom. We know only what the world has taught us. We are the only nation of people who can’t stand and defend ourselves. Africa or Israel is run by Europeans. The present state of Israel was established by the United States in 1943. The Bible has not been analyzed from scratch by a good heart, a good root. The Bible has been used to gain power and to oppress. Yet it teaches us to be just, humble, meek, and to show mercy at all times. A good root can only bring good fruit and a bad root can only bring bad fruit. The righteous man who is last must now come to the front. The world concluded the Old Testament with Jesus birth, but minor prophecies and the tribulations had not yet been placed on Israelites. More importantly in Ezekiel 35: 11, God said he would make himself known to Israel after he has judged them. After reading the attached chapters, read the prophecies of the eight minor prophets. Read it for the story that is told, not to study and break down phrases. Read it like a book and see what it says about you. Read it for the story behind the teachings and get the whole truth. Remember, if you want to keep something from a Black man; put it in a Book. The definition of Bible is Book. Keep in mind that the older Bibles have been tampered with the least. The world continues to change the wording, so that the story continues to get more vague. Black people come from Africa and that is where Israelites originated.





References


1 Sam Ch. 27 “King” David fled Israel or Africa from King Saul into Philistines.

2 Sam Ch. 5:6 King David established kingdom in Jerusalem and built “City of David”

2 Sam Ch. 6 King David and his Israelite support take ark of covenant from Israel among Israelites to the City of David.

2 Chron Ch.11 Israel (Africa) rebelled against kingdom of Judah and God held Judah back from attacking Israelites (Ku****es)

2 Chron Ch. 13 Israel (Africa) fought Judah and lost some cities, but the survived.

2 Chron Ch. 17 Judah and Israel are allies

2 Chron Ch. 34:5 Judah and cities under Judah’s control in Israel (Africa)

2 Chron Ch. 36:5 Kingdom of Judah conquered by Babylon

Hosea 10:10 When Israelites bind themselves up into two furrows (Benin, Dahomey) God will gather all nations against them.