In my reading of the Metu Neter I recall reading a chapter of where the writer specifically talks about how the Caucasian’s brain is not wired for religion nor the thought of religious processes.

Is it not a contradiction of the followers of the Metu Neter to teach and minister that the Caucasian wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?

Is this not an antithesis to the teachings the author puts forth in the Metu Neter volume 1?

Dear mr music prod. please read the entire book and the follow up Anuk Ausar to gain a better overstanding. Until then hold your questions. Because what u are seeking is containded within the literature. Develop a holistic approach if it is within u. The primary lessons i have gained during my QUEST for spirtual insight is answers are not given they are learned take a minute to digest some material for yourself it will help u a great deaL. You will benefit from the knowledge a whole lot more. In addition if you read the metu neter than you obviously missed a great deal and u should read it again as evidenced by your question.

Dear mr music prod. please read the entire book and the follow up Anuk Ausar to gain a better overstanding. Until then hold your questions. Because what u are seeking is containded within the literature. Develop a holistic approach if it is within u. The primary lessons i have gained during my QUEST for spirtual insight is answers are not given they are learned take a minute to digest some material for yourself it will help u a great deaL. You will benefit from the knowledge a whole lot more. In addition if you read the metu neter than you obviously missed a great deal and u should read it again as evidenced by your question.
Well, I read volume 1 so are you saying it is in volume 2 where the author explains that the white man wrote the Old Testament and Holy Scriptures?

If so, what page is it on?

You do not understand the definition of religion u think it pertains only two the three that have caused havoc in the world. There is religious literature the the " the book of the dead" which is not really it's name however it will do for now. In the book of the dead their is a lot of religious statements. Re ligion means to re tie with your origins. Your have not fully grasped cosmonology( probably because u reject it). I will quote some verses for u Eight chapter for opening up the west by daylight section 2 and i quote "of father tehuti" 3 The eye of father hours is unblemished 4 the eye of hours saves me5 and splendid are my ornaments 6 form the brow of father ra. You are not versed in cosomonolgy so u have no clue what the above statements mean, just like the jebusites who wrote the law or torah did not so u come to a quick and wrong conclusion every time .what u do not understand u quickly denounce as primitive or invalid. He was not talking about religion as u speak . the jebusites could not understand anything in front of them so they made up some bogous material based upon them not understanding the basis of the literature i quoted to u .and no i am not going to teach u mr music u must embrace your culture on your own. Now re read metu neter and by the way, do u know who the neteru are now?

don't know who wrote it. don't care.
it is currently in the hand of the missionary and that is enough for me.
i prefer to listen to what a black man has to say.

You do not understand the definition of religion u think it pertains only two the three that have caused havoc in the world. There is religious literature the the " the book of the dead" which is not really it's name however it will do for now. In the book of the dead their is a lot of religious statements. Re ligion means to re tie with your origins. Your have not fully grasped cosmonology( probably because u reject it). I will quote some verses for u Eight chapter for opening up the west by daylight section 2 and i quote "of father tehuti" 3 The eye of father hours is unblemished 4 the eye of hours saves me5 and splendid are my ornaments 6 form the brow of father ra. You are not versed in cosomonolgy so u have no clue what the above statements mean, just like the jebusites who wrote the law or torah did not so u come to a quick and wrong conclusion every time .what u do not understand u quickly denounce as primitive or invalid. He was not talking about religion as u speak . the jebusites could not understand anything in front of them so they made up some bogous material based upon them not understanding the basis of the literature i quoted to u .and no i am not going to teach u mr music u must embrace your culture on your own. Now re read metu neter and by the way, do u know who the neteru are now?
I would say my study and acceptance of Dogon mythology destroys all of your perception abut what I believe. I would advise you to study the Dogon so you can begin to grasp the passages that you quote. You cannot understand those passages without understanding the source. The religion or mythology of Egypt comes from the Dogon. There is evidence that the Garamantes Empire dates as far back as to when the desert of Libya was jungle and full of vegetation, that puts the Garamantes Empire in existence before the Ice Age, which was more than 40,000 years.

Once you understand that fact you will began to understand why Akhenaten tried to bring Egypt back to its roots and away from worshiping false images and creations of the Ancestors (The Nummo).

But, back to the subject……..

Do you have the page number and book in which the author of the Metu Neter informs the reader that the white man wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?

u did not address the info i gave u. i addressed your question however since u want to stay within god concept and not digest any cosmonology u will dodge around certain subject material. i thought u were reading the metu neter to get a better understanding of the material the brothers and sisters have been mentioning to u to gain a better understanding. What makes u think i am not familar with the dogon stop it music address my response that u quoted regarding the book of the dead. The only reason u accept some of the dogon culture because of it's mention of amma which is simply another word for the ALL meaning the complete assimultaion of all things from which we all came and will return because u think this supports your god theory. please study with an open mind then u will find the truth wadu hotep brother

Do you have the page number and book in which the author of the Metu Neter informs the reader that the white man wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?

u ask why he made the statement i informed you sir now you are running to that old question that u are not willing to accept the answer to if u really want to belive that our ancestors are resposible for an orginal manuscrpit which was written in hebrew than translated to greek than that is fine. I know for a fact that willam shakespeare wrote the holy according to bill or by bill and it was commsioned by king james are you reading another version brother cause a know a black man did not write that one. That is the one in amercia that every one was introduced to unless they were introduced to judaism or islam. stop it music

In my reading of the Metu Neter I recall reading a chapter of where the writer specifically talks about how the Caucasian’s brain is not wired for religion nor the thought of religious processes.

What chapter was that? Give me a number.

Is it not a contradiction of the followers of the Metu Neter to teach and minister that the Caucasian wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?

Followers of the Metu Neter do not teach and minister that "the Caucasian wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures."

Where are you getting this nonsense from?


Is this not an antithesis to the teachings the author puts forth in the Metu Neter volume 1?

No, since the author never made such statements in the first place.

Sounds like you have a bad case of Metu Neterophobia.

What chapter was that? Give me a number.


Followers of the Metu Neter do not teach and minister that "the Caucasian wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures."

Where are you getting this nonsense from?



No, since the author never made such statements in the first place.

Sounds like you have a bad case of Metu Neterophobia.
Or a bad case of listening to misrepresentation.

I would say my study and acceptance of Dogon mythology destroys all of your perception abut what I believe. I would advise you to study the Dogon so you can begin to grasp the passages that you quote. You cannot understand those passages without understanding the source. The religion or mythology of Egypt comes from the Dogon. There is evidence that the Garamantes Empire dates as far back as to when the desert of Libya was jungle and full of vegetation, that puts the Garamantes Empire in existence before the Ice Age, which was more than 40,000 years.

Once you understand that fact you will began to understand why Akhenaten tried to bring Egypt back to its roots and away from worshiping false images and creations of the Ancestors (The Nummo).

But, back to the subject……..

Do you have the page number and book in which the author of the Metu Neter informs the reader that the white man wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?

I cant believe that this line of argumentation continues. Having read your recent posts while refraining from responding I now find it necessary to add a few comments even though they may most likely be met with vainglorious repudiation.

First of all, my Destee Family Photo album is named the "Nommo Family" NOMMO also meaning "The Power of the Word" or as some would say, "Logos". So I do not need any "teaching" on the NOMMO" as I have long identified as such.

If you have thoroughly read the Metu Neter then you also know some viewpoints by the same which do not represent Akhenaten in a positive light and knowing this I do not argue what I believe to be some viewpoints which I disagree knowing such would be pointless and rather unproductive. Thus said, argumentation along this line shall prove only to be pointless and rather unproductive so what prifits one who continues along a line of resistence.

Secondly, there is no "Dogon mythology". Africans do not have "mythological systems". "Mythology" is the white man's creation as he views "spiritual" systems as either religious or mythological. Therefore, your argument negates itself by speaking against the white man's "religion" yet viewing Dogon cosmogony as "mythology".

In finality, you continue to argue based upon your STUDIES yet have no in-depth spiritual POWER within your Soul-Spirit which qualifies your statements. You speak as if the NOMMO themselves were "Egyptian" and since you once refererred as a source the "Sirius Mystery" is proof that you information is not GOD-given but only the plagarized revisionism of white authors whose theories you have internalized only externalizing them with a blackface.

I tend to have a similar belief as you have expressed concerning the NOMMO's "extra-terrestrial" origins but know to keep certain beliefs private. However, the fact that you refer to them as "alien" is proof-positive that you yourself are "out of touch" with Our Celestial Family".

jmho,
Omowale

I tend to have a similar belief as you have expressed concerning the NOMMO's "extra-terrestrial" origins but know to keep certain beliefs private.

Why?

I think you need to start talking about it. Even Ogotemmeli said the information is for ALL humans to know and hear.

Reveal your religion for what you believe, never, ever, ever try to make it Politically Correct.

Peace.

Do you have the page number and book in which the author of the Metu Neter informs the reader that the white man wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?

You're the one who made the claim that the author of Metu Neter said this, so it's incumbent upon you and nobody else to supply the proof that he did.

Or a bad case of listening to misrepresentation.

What chapter did you read this? I'm still waiting for your answer.

Why?

I think you need to start talking about it. Even Ogotemmeli said the information is for ALL humans to know and hear.

Reveal your religion for what you believe, never, ever, ever try to make it Politically Correct.

Peace.

Music Producer,

As I have tried to explain to you before I do not believe in any particular "doctrine" or "religion".

And I threw political correctness aside months ago.

I lead a life similar to the "Prophets". I am guided by my Ancestors, by "God" and take life each day as it unfolds and is "revealed" to me. I have an early foundation in "religion" (Christian and Islam) as a manner of upbringing but in a rather unorthodox manner as my Father also believed that many of the "Old testament" Prophets were Black men and the "Bible" was chiefly a record of to trace our ancestral lineage. That is why I have such a high interest in family hostory (geneaology).

Rather that debate these topics at this time publicly I am devoting more time to completing an 18 year project entitled 'The Bible With Complexion". I am working on completing Book 3, the final of oa 3-part compilation. The first two volumes I completed the draft copies last week while visiting family in Los Angeles. I am complete with the research phase and am finally dedicated to writing, at this point adding reference sources, including links to internet/web sources and organizing note seections.

So the point is, rather than talk about it, I find it more expedient to write about it because I feel talked out.

Let me just say that despite some differences I have with you in manner of speaking and approach I do appreciate the fact that at least your thinking is "outside the box".

However, I must follow the teaching of my own father in this regard who, no matter how much he discected the Holy Bible, always expressed to me the importance of the Unwritten Word, the Oral history, that which has passed down through word of mouth.

Some things just are not meant to be written. Some things are meant to remain within the Family. Within certain classes, castes, trades and "clans".

Not everyone is meant to be a griot or scribe. And even Griots keep some things among themselves. And Scribes never tell all of that which needs to be told.

Music Producer,

As I have tried to explain to you before I do not believe in any particular "doctrine" or "religion".

And I threw political correctness aside months ago.

I lead a life similar to the "Prophets". I am guided by my Ancestors, by "God" and take life each day as it unfolds and is "revealed" to me. I have an early foundation in "religion" (Christian and Islam) as a manner of upbringing but in a rather unorthodox manner as my Father also believed that many of the "Old testament" Prophets were Black men and the "Bible" was chiefly a record of to trace our ancestral lineage. That is why I have such a high interest in family hostory (geneaology).

Rather that debate these topics at this time publicly I am devoting more time to completing an 18 year project entitled 'The Bible With Complexion". I am working on completing Book 3, the final of oa 3-part compilation. The first two volumes I completed the draft copies last week while visiting family in Los Angeles. I am complete with the research phase and am finally dedicated to writing, at this point adding reference sources, including links to internet/web sources and organizing note seections.

So the point is, rather than talk about it, I find it more expedient to write about it because I feel talked out.

Let me just say that despite some differences I have with you in manner of speaking and approach I do appreciate the fact that at least your thinking is "outside the box".

However, I must follow the teaching of my own father in this regard who, no matter how much he discected the Holy Bible, always expressed to me the importance of the Unwritten Word, the Oral history, that which has passed down through word of mouth.

Some things just are not meant to be written. Some things are meant to remain within the Family. Within certain classes, castes, trades and "clans".

Not everyone is meant to be a griot or scribe. And even Griots keep some things among themselves. And Scribes never tell all of that which needs to be told.


Let me further explain this way,

"The followers of the Ausarian religion are not guided by doctrine or dogma, but by the scientific understanding of human behavior and Man's relationship to God."

Metu Neter, Volume 2, page 166.

The two "Paths" that I spoke of earlier can be equated to the division between "Ausar Man" and "Sahu Man".

I am in the process of evolving from "Sebek" to "Tehuti" with a long way to go before attaining the state of "Ausar". However, I am further along than those who cling to religious "doctrine" and "dogma". Whatever form it exposes itself....

Peace....i must rest..

Hotep

When we speak of things we know nothing about we make ourselves sound Foolish in Deed. Some think that they can weigh everything in the Darkness of Western Thought...those will Never See but for ever remain Ignorant and Dumb.
There is no such thing as a "Contradiction" in the Natural Order of Things Created by the Creator...that gave "Us" the Medu Neteru, Language, Science, Sight, Hearing, Smell, Touch, Thought, and all things in Right Knowledge for us to preceive all in this life of Spirituality. There can be no Manipulations or Distortions of Medu Neteru as we are use to experiencing in All that we have lived and died under in the System of White Superimacy as Slaves to Euro-Religions. Contradictions are imposible but mis-understanding is not because one is not "Initiated" but self mis-guided in Foolishness and confounded with no understanding of reality because of the burdon of a False Mind set in Fabricated white Euro-Reiligin and Biblical Myths.

Ase`

African Proverb: "Leave those to their Folly who Loves It".

You're the one who made the claim that the author of Metu Neter said this, so it's incumbent upon you and nobody else to supply the proof that he did.
I know the author never makes the claim. What I am exposing is members who say they follow the teachings of the Metu Neter but yet they teach the white man wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures.

I personally don’t recall the writer of the Metu Neter ever saying that, do you?

Hotep

When we speak of things we know nothing about we make ourselves sound Foolish in Deed. Some think that they can weigh everything in the Darkness of Western Thought...those will Never See but for ever remain Ignorant and Dumb.
There is no such thing as a "Contradiction" in the Natural Order of Things Created by the Creator...that gave "Us" the Medu Neteru, Language, Science, Sight, Hearing, Smell, Touch, Thought, and all things in Right Knowledge for us to preceive all in this life of Spirituality. There can be no Manipulations or Distortions of Medu Neteru as we are use to experiencing in All that we have lived and died under in the System of White Superimacy as Slaves to Euro-Religions. Contradictions are imposible but mis-understanding is not because one is not "Initiated" but self mis-guided in Foolishness and confounded with no understanding of reality because of the burdon of a False Mind set in Fabricated white Euro-Reiligin and Biblical Myths.

Ase`

African Proverb: "Leave those to their Folly who Loves It".

Fabricated white Euro-Reiligin and Biblical Myths.

But the author of the Metu Neter explains that the white man does not have the ability to fabricate Biblical Myths because his brain is not wired up for such abilities.

So why do you promote and teach that the white man fabricated the Bible?

(Music Producer) - But the author of the Metu Neter explains that the white man does not have the ability to fabricate Biblical Myths because his brain is not wired up for such abilities.

So why do you promote and teach that the white man fabricated the Bible?

you have the facts slightly twisted. the biblical narrative is not original, it is plagiarized from kemetian and sumerian texts.

what the europeans did was take these older stories and narratives and distort them to fabricate a new perception of god. effectively blending multiple aspects of various "gods" into a new god. a "mystery god", as some like to say.

thus, the authors of the original versions of the stories that appear in the biblical texts were black; the stories are of kemetian and sumerian origin and both these populations were black.

the europeans fabricated a new narrative and a new understanding and portrayal of god based on these texts. a false understanding.

within that context you now understand that the mystery god, that is taught by these faiths that use the bible, is the construct of europeans that were unable to understand the true meaning of the original texts they plagiarized.

thus, the claims by some do not contradict the wisdom within the medu neter; it all fits together neatly. the europeans did not actually "write" the bible; the bible is actually a bad job of plagiarism.

But the author of the Metu Neter explains that the white man does not have the ability to fabricate Biblical Myths because his brain is not wired up for such abilities.

So why do you promote and teach that the white man fabricated the Bible?
But even you said the new testament was fabricated.

(Music Producer) - But the author of the Metu Neter explains that the white man does not have the ability to fabricate Biblical Myths because his brain is not wired up for such abilities.

So why do you promote and teach that the white man fabricated the Bible?

you have the facts slightly twisted. the biblical narrative is not original, it is plagiarized from kemetian and sumerian texts.

what the europeans did was take these older stories and narratives and distort them to fabricate a new perception of god. effectively blending multiple aspects of various "gods" into a new god. a "mystery god", as some like to say.

thus, the authors of the original versions of the stories that appear in the biblical texts were black; the stories are of kemetian and sumerian origin and both these populations were black.

the europeans fabricated a new narrative and a new understanding and portrayal of god based on these texts. a false understanding.

within that context you now understand that the mystery god, that is taught by these faiths that use the bible, is the construct of europeans that were unable to understand the true meaning of the original texts they plagiarized.

thus, the claims by some do not contradict the wisdom within the medu neter; it all fits together neatly. the europeans did not actually "write" the bible; the bible is actually a bad job of plagiarism.

the europeans fabricated a new narrative and a new understanding and portrayal of god based on these texts. a false understanding.

With that statement you have just given the European power over all the gods of Kemet. True faith believes that no man or woman has the power to write or re-write the Specific Words of the Supreme Being. Once you fail to believe in that then you have exhibited lack of Faith in the Supreme Being.

Any Name that is relegated to the Supreme Being of any system of theological thought is the same Supreme Being as Amma, Amun, Aten, Ra, Yh, El, etc…….

All of those names represent the same Supreme Being because there can only be One Supreme Being. Thus Specific Words Spoken by Amun must be held to the same accountability as Specific Words Spoken by Yh.

Once you degrade the Specific Words of any of those Names that represent the Supreme Being then you have done the same for all of those names.

I do not nor have I ever reduced the Specific Word of GOD to words of men. This is the Teaching of Amma…….

Ezek:13:9: And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Due to the Nature of the Supreme Being as being forver and being Supreme that passage can be read as such……

Ezek:13:9: And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the ATEN.


Now do you understand why you can not degrade the Specific Word of the Supreme Being?

GOD is universal.

In the Book of the Dead several of the Spells and text basically leave an “N” in the place where the Supreme Being’s name is to be inserted because they understood that the Supreme Being is the Supreme Being no matter what the Name is that describes the Supreme Being.

If the European contorted the Supreme Being, then I must believe that contortion is the Will of GOD. Otherwise you would be saying that European has power over GOD, I personally will never ever accept a thought such as that.

But even you said the new testament was fabricated.It is a fabrication that is the Will of GOD but not GOD, that is why Jesus is the Son of GOD, a derivative, a creation, a lesser god. It is the sin of the individual that worships and serves a lesser god over GOD.

(Music Producer) - With that statement you have just given the European power over all the gods of Kemet. True faith believes that no man or woman has the power to write or re-write the Specific Words of the Supreme Being. Once you fail to believe in that then you have exhibited lack of Faith in the Supreme Being.

you have indicated to me that your supreme being is actually a "mystery god" that saves the day when needed.
religious texts are simply texts that contain wisdom passed down, they can be corrupted. an individual that is truly self-guided is capable of recognizing what is truth and what is false. it is possible to teach the deeper truths from a comic book if need be. the truth is self evident, once you know how to look for it.

you speak of faith, i do not rely on blind faith. blind faith has no role in religion for me; i rely on knowledge and understanding.

(Music Producer) - Any Name that is relegated to the Supreme Being of any system of theological thought is the same Supreme Being as Amma, Amun, Aten, Ra, Yh, El, etc…

i don't agree with this.
people like to assert that "there is one god"; then they make ludicrous claims about what that one god did. at that point they reveal that they do not appreciate the deeper truths that gods like amun or ra represented; but instead simply want to take comfort in some mysterious super-being in the skies.
for example, if you look the original creation of the world in genesis, this is actually a plagiarism of narratives of the great god ra. yet ra is associated with the sun; so when you understand that the narrative is a symbolic description of the sun; you can begin to appreciate the deeper truths to that symbolism and what it really represents. yet with the current biblical narrative, the original connection with the sun has been lost; the narrative doesn't truly start from the beginning; and unless you know the original narratives it seems like some super being flying around. so the entire meaning is lost; unless you know how to reconstruct it.
thus, to identify this biblical god, which has been corrupted to represent some mysterious being or spirit; with the great god ra whose symbolism represented a far deeper truth would be incorrect.

(Music Producer) - All of those names represent the same Supreme Being because there can only be One Supreme Being.

to try to take the great god amun and the great god ra which represent different divine aspects and assert that they are the same is also incorrect. they are of the same, but what they represent is different. your desire to lump everything together as "the same" indicates a desire to preserve this idea of a mysterious super-being. if this is true, then stick with the documents that actually teach of a mysterious super-being; and refrain from shoe-horning other texts into the model that you are comfortable with. this is exactly what the europeans did, by creating a mystery god from texts where none had previously existed. they created what they were comfortable with.

(Music Producer) - I do not nor have I ever reduced the Specific Word of GOD to words of men. This is the Teaching of Amma…

you have created a mental block which forces you to blindly accept that which has been corrupted. true knowledge does not require blind allegiance to any text based on "faith".

(Music Producer) - In the Book of the Dead several of the Spells and text basically leave an “N” in the place where the Supreme Being’s name is to be inserted because they understood that the Supreme Being is the Supreme Being no matter what the Name is that describes the Supreme Being.

in the pert em heru (let's use the correct names) many spells and hymns would leave a blank space where the initiate would introduce their own name; to identify with these divine forces.

(Music Producer) - If the European contorted the Supreme Being

what i said was that the europeans contorted preexisting texts to fashion a new doctrine with their own conclusions. thus, the europeans created a mystery god from the religious texts of others. europeans don't have any true power over ma'at.
i would prefer to use language like ma'at or dharma; something that represents "divine order" over the phrase "god's will". this is to distinguish that i am not referring to some mysterious super being, but the nature of the universe.

i appreciate what you are saying; i simply do not agree. feel free to believe whatever makes you happy...i just wanted to clarify why i do not share your ideas :shades:

It is a fabrication that is the Will of GOD but not GOD, that is why Jesus is the Son of GOD, a derivative, a creation, a lesser god. It is the sin of the individual that worships and serves a lesser god over GOD.

You are speaking of those that think that jesus and GOD are one in the same because many many believe this to be true!
The will of GOD is to lie in order to have peace?
Does not make sense.

You are speaking of those that think that jesus and GOD are one in the same because many many believe this to be true!
The will of GOD is to lie in order to have peace?
Does not make sense.
It don’t matter what the people believe, what matters it the Specific Word of the Supreme Being……

Mt:3:17: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

That concept is repeated several times and is the only Word in the New Testament that can be relegated to that of the Supreme Being.

Anyone, anyone that disobeys that Word is in sin and rejection of the Supreme Being.

you have indicated to me that your supreme being is actually a "mystery god" that saves the day when needed.
religious texts are simply texts that contain wisdom passed down, they can be corrupted. an individual that is truly self-guided is capable of recognizing what is truth and what is false. it is possible to teach the deeper truths from a comic book if need be. the truth is self evident, once you know how to look for it.

you speak of faith, i do not rely on blind faith. blind faith has no role in religion for me; i rely on knowledge and understanding.

This is my knowledge and understanding as one who believes absolutely in the Supreme Being only.

If the passage was written in ancient days and it is written as the Supreme Being actually Speaking the Words such as “Thus saith the LORD”, or “The LORD said unto me” or anyway that suggest the Words were actually Spoken by GOD at some point in time, then I must absolutely hold those Specific Words as the Divine Breath of The Supreme Being.


i don't agree with this.
people like to assert that "there is one god"; then they make ludicrous claims about what that one god did. at that point they reveal that they do not appreciate the deeper truths that gods like amun or ra represented; but instead simply want to take comfort in some mysterious super-being in the skies.
for example, if you look the original creation of the world in genesis, this is actually a plagiarism of narratives of the great god ra. yet ra is associated with the sun; so when you understand that the narrative is a symbolic description of the sun; you can begin to appreciate the deeper truths to that symbolism and what it really represents. yet with the current biblical narrative, the original connection with the sun has been lost; the narrative doesn't truly start from the beginning; and unless you know the original narratives it seems like some super being flying around. so the entire meaning is lost; unless you know how to reconstruct it.
thus, to identify this biblical god, which has been corrupted to represent some mysterious being or spirit; with the great god ra whose symbolism represented a far deeper truth would be incorrect.

You don’t get it, so I will put it to you as a question…..

Do you believe the Supreme Being has the Power to control and manipulate what is written and expressed as ITs Own Words?


to try to take the great god amun and the great god ra which represent different divine aspects and assert that they are the same is also incorrect. they are of the same, but what they represent is different. your desire to lump everything together as "the same" indicates a desire to preserve this idea of a mysterious super-being. if this is true, then stick with the documents that actually teach of a mysterious super-being; and refrain from shoe-horning other texts into the model that you are comfortable with. this is exactly what the europeans did, by creating a mystery god from texts where none had previously existed. they created what they were comfortable with.

Is Amun the Supreme Being?
Is Ra the Supreme Being?
If so, then they are the same because there can only be One Supreme Being.


you have created a mental block which forces you to blindly accept that which has been corrupted. true knowledge does not require blind allegiance to any text based on "faith".

It is not possible for humans to corrupt the Supreme Being. Once you believe that then it gives you the false authority to pick and choose what YOU believe to be the Word of GOD.

Look at it like this:
I could disapprove all Egyptian gods and religions the same way you disapprove the Old Testament. You say the Old Testament is invalid because they are a corruption of Egyptian gods? Well, on that same note I can say Egyptian religions and gods are a corruption of Dogon Theology, thus the Egyptian gods are a contortion of the Nummo causing them to be worshiped when in reality they are nothing more than teachers to humanity.

All I would be doing is using your own methods of denouncing the Old Testament.


what i said was that the europeans contorted preexisting texts to fashion a new doctrine with their own conclusions. thus, the europeans created a mystery god from the religious texts of others. europeans don't have any true power over ma'at.

If that preexisting text is the Specific Words of the Supreme Being then that so called contortion is and was the Will of the Supreme Being, otherwise it would not exist in that way.

I personally see your point but in all of my studies of religion I have seen one Constant, and that is ALL religious systems of theology throughout time rather it be a monotheistic or polytheistic system they ALL have a Supreme Being. It is that Supreme Being that I serve Only.

I do not believe the Supreme Being can be confined to one religious system. The Supreme Being is the Supreme Being rather IT is called Allah, Aten, Amun, Ra, El, YHVH, YH, etc…….

Where we error is in trying to relegate words to that Supreme Being when they are not ITs words but words of Jesus, Apostles or some ancient Egyptian priest.

It don’t matter what the people believe, what matters it the Specific Word of the Supreme Being……

Mt:3:17: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

That concept is repeated several times and is the only Word in the New Testament that can be relegated to that of the Supreme Being.

Anyone, anyone that disobeys that Word is in sin and rejection of the Supreme Being.

So you know this because of why?
You disect the bible and believe what you want to believe is the word.
If it doesn't matter what people believe, why are you trying to take people with you and convince them otherwise?

(Music Producer) - This is my knowledge and understanding as one who believes absolutely in the Supreme Being only.

i do not advocate belief. i advocate knowledge.
for clarity, are you suggesting that this supreme being that you believe in saves the day as needed?

(Music Producer) - If the passage was written in ancient days and it is written as the Supreme Being actually Speaking the Words such as “Thus saith the LORD”, or “The LORD said unto me” or anyway that suggest the Words were actually Spoken by GOD at some point in time, then I must absolutely hold those Specific Words as the Divine Breath of The Supreme Being.

the truth is the truth regardless of who the words are attributed to. words are inherently limited, and are solely intended to convey ideas. this is why the symbolism is key, and not some translation of some words.
i do not share your faith in words written on paper, i do not see a need for such faith.
if you truly believe that "god" is infinite and all pervading...why would i need words on paper to know what is true and what is false?

i disagree with the ideas your argument is based on.


(Music Producer) - You don’t get it, so I will put it to you as a question…..

i got it, i disagreed with the entire pretext of your argument.

(Music Producer) - Do you believe the Supreme Being has the Power to control and manipulate what is written and expressed as ITs Own Words?

why would this even be necessary? you seem to suggest that without a bible we would be lost and without divine knowledge. i disagree with the basis to that argument.
to answer your question directly, i think the idea that "the supreme being" acts to preserve the integrity of these so called holy scriptures is ludicrous. why is there a need for such a thing? the truth is self-evident. the truth is not dependent on that which is written on paper. or papyrus. or carved on the walls of temples.

(Music Producer) - Is Amun the Supreme Being?
Is Ra the Supreme Being?
If so, then they are the same because there can only be One Supreme Being.

i have explained already that they are of the same as they are both divine expressions; but they are not the same as what they represent is not the same. the biblical abrahamic god is a flat god that borrows attributes from amun, attributes from ra, attributes from djehuti, attributes from hetheru...ultimately it's a flat and broken understanding. a broken cosmogony.
let's not shoehorn the kemetian understanding into the abrahamic system. the abrahamic system is a flat system that has very little depth of understanding.

(Music Producer) - It is not possible for humans to corrupt the Supreme Being.

what is your god? this mysterious supreme being or the text or is it the same? we began speaking of the text being corrupted. all of a sudden you are speaking of this "supreme being" of yours being corrupted. so i am forced to ask...are they the same? is your god really these texts you value so much?
how does it even make sense to say "corrupt the supreme being"? how am i to make sense of those words?

(Music Producer) - Once you believe that then it gives you the false authority to pick and choose what YOU believe to be the Word of GOD.

the truth is self-evident. it is you that are trying to force the kemetian spiritual concepts into this flat abrahamic model that you believe in.

(Music Producer) - I could disapprove all Egyptian gods and religions the same way you disapprove the Old Testament. You say the Old Testament is invalid because they are a corruption of Egyptian gods?

the doctrine in the old testament is broken. i am not a slave to a book. thus, i have no need to try to fix that which is demonstrably broken.
this is not "what i say"; this is what is.

(Music Producer) - Well, on that same note I can say Egyptian religions and gods are a corruption of Dogon Theology

i am unfamiliar with dogon theology. however, the rigidity that you suggest need exist is of your own creation. the kemetian gods represent a cosmogony, they symbolically represent various divine forces and their interactions. merely an attempt to understand and convey an understanding of these things. thus, it is not something that can easily be corrupted as long as the underlying themes that are attempted to being conveyed are preserved.
at no point in time did i say only the kemetians knew the truth. numerous other groups and texts know the truth. the truth is not the end goal, it is the starting point.

the underlying themes that are preserved across many various systems of belief are lost in the old testament. this is why that document is rejected.

(Music Producer) - thus the Egyptian gods are a contortion of the Nummo causing them to be worshiped when in reality they are nothing more than teachers to humanity.

you claim you have read the metu neter, yet immediately within the metu neter (vol 1 page ~14) the distinction between "ancestor worship" and "ancestor communication" is drawn and explained. so you are criticizing things that have already been explained.

(Music Producer) - If that preexisting text is the Specific Words of the Supreme Being then that so called contortion is and was the Will of the Supreme Being, otherwise it would not exist in that way.

i do not agree with your portrayal of the supreme being; thus, i do not agree with your conclusions.

(Music Producer) - I personally see your point but in all of my studies of religion I have seen one Constant, and that is ALL religious systems of theology throughout time rather it be a monotheistic or polytheistic system they ALL have a Supreme Being. It is that Supreme Being that I serve Only.

we do not agree on the nature of this constant.
you suggest that there is some amount of choice in what you serve. the reality is there is no choice at that level. there is no option to somehow violate divine order. that doesn't make sense. your only choice is in how you will understand and perceive the world. how you will act within the already established framework. everything you do is by definition within the divine framework and thusly in accordance with divine order.

(Music Producer) - I do not believe the Supreme Being can be confined to one religious system.

who said this? these are your ideas. i speak only of where the truth is, and where the truth isn't or needs to be reconstructed.
i choose not to identify with falsified doctrines as that conveys the wrong idea to those that fail to appreciate the more subtle understanding of things. you speak of a supreme being but have made it clear your allegiance is to a doctrine or collection of stories and texts.

(Music Producer) - The Supreme Being is the Supreme Being rather IT is called Allah, Aten, Amun, Ra, El, YHVH, YH, etc…

i maintain my disagreement that i have stated above.

(Music Producer) - Where we error is in trying to relegate words to that Supreme Being when they are not ITs words but words of Jesus, Apostles or some ancient Egyptian priest.

i do not share your faith in these texts. particularly the texts of the abrahamic faiths. i appreciate the truth wherever it exists, and not dependent on who allegedly said what. blind faith does not play into my understanding.

(cursed heart) - So you know this because of why?
You disect the bible and believe what you want to believe is the word.

he focuses on statements within the bible that are presented from the perspective of god, as "god's words cannot be corrupted". thus, any statement that is of that perspective must be true.

that is the theory he is advancing.

(cursed heart) - So you know this because of why?
You disect the bible and believe what you want to believe is the word.

he focuses on statements within the bible that are presented from the perspective of god, as "god's words cannot be corrupted". thus, any statement that is of that perspective must be true.

that is the theory he is advancing.
You got it! Nibs,

But also remember that my theory is not confined only to the Bible but any religious doctrine that was created in ancient days. In this manner GOD is not relegated to one peoples or theology but ALL, as GOD should be Omnipotent.

he focuses on statements within the bible that are presented from the perspective of god, as "god's words cannot be corrupted".
thus, any statement that is of that perspective must be true.You got it! Nibs,

dude, i got some real estate i want to talk to you about.:dance:

OK Nibs,

Now that you understand my perception of GOD, lets move on to why do you believe Europeans wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures.

From all that I have seen I personally believe Akhenaten wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures. That is why we find Egyptian overtones in the Holy Scriptures; he used what he was familiar with. He used bits and pieces of Egyptian history and theology to comprise the Holy Scriptures to finalize his enlightenment of Aten.

Even in Akhenaten’s Hymn to Aten one can began to see the manifestation of what evolves into the GOD manifested in the Holy Scriptures.

So why do you believe the European wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?

(Music Producer) - Now that you understand my perception of GOD

you have denied the subtleties of the cosmogony of kemetian spirituality; thus we don't agree there.

(Music Producer) - lets move on to why do you believe Europeans wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures.

a) the current understanding of the judeo-christian god is based on the mystery god philosophies of the greeks. god is a formless spirit, perfect...etc. this portrayal is greek.

b) the old testament has multiple authors. by the account of that document, "the word of god" was lost for some huge period of time and then "found". the torah is a plagiarized history that incorporates kemetian narratives and descriptions of people with ties to sumer and kemet. this account was then embraced by a group of people with no credible ties to this original narrative; and it is this group that is responsible for the final compilation and editing of the torah...etc. additional texts were plagiarized later, incorporated into psalms & proverbs...etc.
this is why the original meaning to the stories of the torah needs to be reconstructed, why the cosmogony is broken...why multiple gods are combined into one flat god...etc.
to summarize:
we know that the original plagiarists did not understand the deeper symbolic meaning of these stories which is why the symbolism and cosmogony is broken.
by the biblical account the doctrine was "lost" and then "resdiscovered" during the reign of king josiah; this is a likely place to investigate where the doctrine was "inherited" by a people with no rightful claim to it's doctrine or history
the language of the oldest known compilations of these texts is a language foreign to the peoples that these stories are based around and inherited from (kemetians, sumerians)
the doctrine is now used to support a more european styled god concept...

(Music Producer) - From all that I have seen I personally believe Akhenaten wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures.

there isn't a single author for the old testament. akhenaten ran kemet; why would he need to create this underground religion that undermines the original truths? whoever plagiarized the torah didn't truly understand what they were copying. did not understand or did not appreciate.

(Music Producer) - That is why we find Egyptian overtones in the Holy Scriptures

yours is not the best explanation for reasons cited above. the guy literally ran kemet, created a new capitol city, banished the old priests...as king why would he need to start some underground narrative in addition to his inherent plagiarism? other more plausible accounts suggest that the original plagiarists were influenced by his exoteric doctrine...

(Music Producer) - Even in Akhenaten’s Hymn to Aten one can began to see the manifestation of what evolves into the GOD manifested in the Holy Scriptures.

akhenaten's cosmogony is also flat. he is nowhere near as interesting a figure as he is made out to be. these mystery god advocates key on the number 1 and ignore the truly relevant details.

you have denied the subtleties of the cosmogony of kemetian spirituality; thus we don't agree there.

Elaborate on this?


a) the current understanding of the judeo-christian god is based on the mystery god philosophies of the greeks. god is a formless spirit, perfect...etc. this portrayal is greek.

No, that is not true, Isis became known as Ament, the “Hidden goddess”. Akhenaten also developed the “Hidden GOD” that was hidden behind the sun and was the power behind the sun. Amon was also known as the hidden god.
http://imp.lss.wisc.edu/~mfox/Religions%20of%20the%20ANE/Outline%20Gods%20of%20Egypt.html

http://www.touregypt.net/isis.htm

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/section-deities.htm

You being a person that practices the cosmology of Kemet surly you must already know these things?


b) the old testament has multiple authors. by the account of that document, "the word of god" was lost for some huge period of time and then "found". the torah is a plagiarized history that incorporates kemetian narratives and descriptions of people with ties to sumer and kemet. this account was then embraced by a group of people with no credible ties to this original narrative; and it is this group that is responsible for the final compilation and editing of the torah...etc. additional texts were plagiarized later, incorporated into psalms & proverbs...etc.
this is why the original meaning to the stories of the torah needs to be reconstructed, why the cosmogony is broken...why multiple gods are combined into one flat god...etc.
to summarize:
we know that the original plagiarists did not understand the deeper symbolic meaning of these stories which is why the symbolism and cosmogony is broken.
by the biblical account the doctrine was "lost" and then "resdiscovered" during the reign of king josiah; this is a likely place to investigate where the doctrine was "inherited" by a people with no rightful claim to it's doctrine or history
the language of the oldest known compilations of these texts is a language foreign to the peoples that these stories are based around and inherited from (kemetians, sumerians)
the doctrine is now used to support a more european styled god concept...

The Holy Scriptures was compiled by Egyptians. The Copper Scrolls / Dead Sea Scrolls went untouched and unedited by monarchial rule because they were hidden in caves scattered around Qumran. The Hebrew letters of the text found in the Dead Sea Scrolls continue to have the original outline of the Egyptian Hieroglyphs they are derivatives from. This is a scanned image that I have placed on the web for the enforcement of these types of arguments. This scan comes from a page from ISBN 1-58115-319-8. It will allow you to understand visually what I am talking about.

http://www.slrrecordsinc.com/myscan.jpg

It begins to show that there is a direct correlation to the Hebrew letters that exist today and the original Egyptian Hieroglyphs and it also proves that there was or continues to be in existence an original Egyptian Holy Scriptures or Old Testament.


there isn't a single author for the old testament. akhenaten ran kemet; why would he need to create this underground religion that undermines the original truths? whoever plagiarized the torah didn't truly understand what they were copying. did not understand or did not appreciate.

Because Akhenaten was a Monotheist formulating his enlightenment of GOD and at the same time removing the now corrupt Amun priesthood from government and if he had not have written the Old Testament as they are today, hiding the Egyptian connection and who he was and the time period, the Amunist would have destroyed it then. Even in these times black people who practice Egyptian Polytheist have a hate for Akhenaten because he tries to revert Egypt to the original theology of Monotheism and the worship of One Supreme Being. All the other gods or lesser gods were simply teachers sent by Amma. It was the Amun priesthood that started the corruption of the original Dogon theology and turned the Nummo (Teachers) into demigods that men started worshiping and building temples to.


yours is not the best explanation for reasons cited above. the guy literally ran kemet, created a new capitol city, banished the old priests...as king why would he need to start some underground narrative in addition to his inherent plagiarism? other more plausible accounts suggest that the original plagiarists were influenced by his exoteric doctrine...

A war took place in Kemet, it was a war between thug priests that had infiltrated the Amun priesthood to gain power and wealth. You can literally see this infiltration into the Amun priesthood and then government through studying early Dynasty 18.
http://www.touregypt.net/18dyn05.htm
Hatshepsut was having an affaire with several of the Amun priest mainly Senenmut who was a high priest in the Amun priesthood. While Thutmos III was too young to be Pharaoh and Thutmos II encountered a timely death the government was basically being run by the Amun priesthood and Hatshepsut. Once Thutmos III came of age I suspect he killed Hatshepsut because of her infraction in government. Even though all of this took place the Amun priesthood was now an extremely powerful branch of government that constantly contended with the Pharaoh until the struggle reached a peak with Akhenaten.

I suspect it was Amenhotep III that started the building of the New Capital Akhetaten and it was Akhenaten that finished it. This is reflected in the Holy Scriptures as David the King starting the building of the House of GOD but Solomon completing it. Just as the House of GOD was destroyed and burnt to the ground by Polytheist so was the City and Great Temple of Akhetaten.

You can peace together the Biblical narrative and it’s timeline in Egypt but in order to do this you have to have deep knowledge of Egyptian history and political workings, which most of us are not willing to study and the extremely in-depth Egyptology books are very expansive.


akhenaten's cosmogony is also flat. he is nowhere near as interesting a figure as he is made out to be. these mystery god advocates key on the number 1 and ignore the truly relevant details.

Elaborate?

(Music Producer) - No, that is not true, Isis became known as Ament, the “Hidden goddess”. Akhenaten also developed the “Hidden GOD” that was hidden behind the sun and was the power behind the sun. Amon was also known as the hidden god.
http://imp.lss.wisc.edu/~mfox/Religions%20of%20the%20ANE/Outline%20Gods%20of%20Egypt.html

http://www.touregypt.net/isis.htm

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/section-deities.htm

You being a person that practices the cosmology of Kemet surly you must already know these things?

a hidden god is not the same as a mystery god.
as the great god ra represents the expressed creative force, the great god amun represents the hidden (spiritual) aspect behind that creative force. amun is basically identified with the universal soul; in this sense amun is the hidden essence of all things; and to identify with amun is to completely sacrifice any sort of identity.

a mystery god is separate from man, hiding in the heavens somewhere. the neteru represent divine forces that manifested within, and that man has a connection to from within. if you look at the pert em heru you will see that the kemetians identified directly with the neteru; there are verses where the initiate would identify directly with amun and auset, ra...etc. thus, the great god amun is no mystery when the kemetians identify directly with him; however what amun represents is hidden from sight.

i will adress your other points when i have more time.

a hidden god is not the same as a mystery god.

What!

Come on maaaaaaan you are reaching for strays now. You are trying to sever the GOD manifested in the Old Testament from all the Egyptian gods and you can’t do it because the person that wrote the Old Testament was an Egyptian and used what he new and understood as oral and written theology from his native country.

Lev:25:10: And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
Lev:25:11: A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.

This in Dogon theology is called the Sigui Festival.
In Egypt this was represented by the Heb-Sed Festival which was reinvented to represent the reign and renewal of the Pharaoh.


a mystery god is separate from man, hiding in the heavens somewhere.

So was HE hiding when HE Spoke with Moses as a man speaks with another man?
Was HE hiding when HE led the people out of Egypt as fire by night and smoke by day?
Was he hiding when HE appeared as a burning bush?
Was HE hiding when HIS essence filled the Temple Solomon completed for HIM?
I could go on and on but I think you get the point. You can not re-invent The GOD manifested in the Holy Scriptures unless you simply ignore the doctrine.

I don't have any specific addition, but just wanted to give kudos to all on an excellent thread.

The dialogue and respect shown despite differing opinions is impressive.

Good food.

peace

Yes this is an excellent thread and I hope it continues.

Hotep:welldone:

But the author of the Metu Neter explains that the white man does not have the ability to fabricate Biblical Myths because his brain is not wired up for such abilities.

So why do you promote and teach that the white man fabricated the Bible?

Hotep

This subject is much, much, much bigger than any of us. History speaks for it self. The facts are what they are and one fact for sure is that you don't know the Author of the Medu Neteru. And if you honored your ancistors as you should there would be nothing except agreement that it is time in our history to Liberate the African instead of justifing ways to keep us ware we are and make excuses for the lack of knowing what is really going on in the world. If you are going to take it apon yourself to try and teach a whole generation...then you damb well better be correct!
Europians who are known to be fabricators that you can read and know yourself are...King James Stewart of England who concocted a racist Bible to control his people of the time, The Roman Emperir Justinian who later changed the Roman office of Ceaser to "Pope"...and he and his group of fabricators are historicaly known Europian Fabricators of Religion that is called the Roman Catholic Church. Potolomy Soter I...who (first white pharoe of Egypt...Potolomies) is known to be a white europian who made himself a (G-d) king and had changed his name to "Serapis" and forced every one to worship him and after his death a group of White Europians got togeather in Europe at Nicea in the year 325A.B.C.E. and Concocted, Made UP, Fabricated, Lied, Planed to Hoodwink, Proceded to Bamboozel the world in to thinking there really was a person named Jesus the Christ but was in reality only made up by White and Indo-Europians who changed the false Creature name of "Serapis" to "Jesus the Christ" that you love and find soo hard to let go of.

Ase`

In my reading of the Metu Neter I recall reading a chapter of where the writer specifically talks about how the Caucasian’s brain is not wired for religion nor the thought of religious processes.

Is it not a contradiction of the followers of the Metu Neter to teach and minister that the Caucasian wrote the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?

Is this not an antithesis to the teachings the author puts forth in the Metu Neter volume 1?

First of all, one mistake (of many) that you continue to make, is to never fully read any of the documents in question.

Since you obviously realize that there is more than one volume of METU NETER, then it would obviously behoove you to read both volumes (and any other literature produced by the same author) before you make a fool of yourself by prematurely commenting on it.

PEACE

First of all, one mistake (of many) that you continue to make, is to never fully read any of the documents in question.

Since you obviously realize that there is more than one volume of METU NETER, then it would obviously behoove you to read both volumes (and any other literature produced by the same author) before you make a fool of yourself by prematurely commenting on it.

PEACE
:ref: we are all entitled to our opinions here. besides, there is nothing like a little opposition to make one sharpen and clarify their views.

First of all, one mistake (of many) that you continue to make, is to never fully read any of the documents in question.

Since you obviously realize that there is more than one volume of METU NETER, then it would obviously behoove you to read both volumes (and any other literature produced by the same author) before you make a fool of yourself by prematurely commenting on it.

PEACE
Well, since you the Metu Neter expert, please point out for me the chapter, page and book as to where the author makes the claim that Caucasians wrote the Old Testament.

This subject is much, much, much bigger than any of us. History speaks for it self. The facts are what they are and one fact for sure is that you don't know the Author of the Medu Neteru. And if you honored your ancistors as you should there would be nothing except agreement that it is time in our history to Liberate the African instead of justifing ways to keep us ware we are and make excuses for the lack of knowing what is really going on in the world. If you are going to take it apon yourself to try and teach a whole generation...then you damb well better be correct!

Elaborate.


"Jesus the Christ" that you love and find soo hard to let go of.

Whoooooo, you need to go read some of my posts. Jesus is Lucifer and the symbolic reign of the white man.

Where you been all this time?

Jesus is Lucifer and the symbolic reign of the white man.
reign, reign, go away............:slobber:

Well, since you the Metu Neter expert, please point out for me the chapter, page and book as to where the author makes the claim that Caucasians wrote the Old Testament.

Don't play games with me, man.

YOU are the one here that created a thread about the followers of Metu Neter, and our so-called "contradictions", yet you cannot prove your assertion.

As usual, you are talking with nothing pertinent to say.

Show and prove your point, or concede that you don't know what you are talking about.

(nibs) - a hidden god is not the same as a mystery god.

(Music Producer) - What!
Come on maaaaaaan you are reaching for strays now.

a mystery god is a spook in the sky. a hidden god represents divine unseen forces within. that is the difference. when i say a "mystery god" i do not mean a "hidden god" like the great god amun.

if you appreciate the distinction i am drawing here, we are not in disagreement.

(Music Producer) - You are trying to sever the GOD manifested in the Old Testament from all the Egyptian gods and you can’t do it because the person that wrote the Old Testament was an Egyptian and used what he new and understood as oral and written theology from his native country.

the contemporary understanding of that god is what i am severing from the kemetian gods; as the original understanding is what has been lost.
the neteru represent divine forces, and ultimately divine forces within. not mystery gods.
if you understand what is attributed to the europeans, it is this portrayal of god as a spook in the sky that intervenes at mysterious times.

(Music Producer) - So was HE hiding when HE Spoke with Moses as a man speaks with another man?

moses isn't a real person, that event is not literally true.

your broader point is correct; the bible personifies god in many ways...etc yet the portrayal remains distorted and shaky...

i agree with you 100% that the contemporary understanding does not fit the doctrine. the practices that moses and aaron do with the sacrifices and blood also do not correspond with the contemporary doctrines or explanations.

the underlying issue is: "who is this god that is speaking, and where is he now?". you continue to hint that god is a spook that sometimes intervenes. thus literally interpretting stories that were plagiarized from allegory. thus these literal understandings are not meaningful; and betray the original kemetian narratives.

(Music Producer) - Was HE hiding when HE led the people out of Egypt as fire by night and smoke by day?
Was he hiding when HE appeared as a burning bush?
Was HE hiding when HIS essence filled the Temple Solomon completed for HIM?

exodus isn't literally true. so you need to break down the meaning of these things, otherwise you are accepting the mystery god doctrine of god as some distant spook that intervenes in the affairs of men from time to time. who is he?

(Music Producer) - You can not re-invent The GOD manifested in the Holy Scriptures unless you simply ignore the doctrine.

the doctrine of a god manifesting and disappearing is a mystery god doctrine. a separate being, a spook, that sometimes does things...where is this god now?
the neteru represent divine forces within that are ever present and can always be connected to. thus they don't manifest and disappear. thus they aren't some spook with mysterious motives. metu neter touches on why god is personified; but why this personification really isn't "god". yet these mystery god doctrines distort the descriptions and teach that god is a spook that is sometimes active. your words betray this tacit acceptance when you speak of where god "appeared" and what god did.

what's god up to now, according to this biblical doctrine? how is he doing? i haven't heard from him in a while, we have alot to catch up on...

what's god up to now, according to this biblical doctrine? how is he doing? i haven't heard from him in a while, we have alot to catch up on...

HE is purifying the original people of the earth to separate and divide between those that hate HIM and those that do not. HE is building a people that will serve HIM only and recognize the Only Living GOD, the Creator of Heaven and Earth. GOD flung HIS Sons (demigods, lesser gods) to the earth so that they could prove Human kind. They prove Human kind through false religions that causes humans that natural despise the Supreme Being to worship false gods and reject the WORD. These false religions give the sinner or Dark Soul purpose and reason against the Supreme Being and HIS Anointed One.

The entire Old Testament is basically a story of Israel and Judah becoming weak and giving in to the way of the Heathens to serve gods that were not real, gods that can not deliver, gods of wood and stone, gods created by the Smith, gods that are inventions of men. That is an entire concept of perceiving GOD as the internal force within and not relying on idols created by the hands of men, which Egypt was full of.


a mystery god is a spook in the sky. a hidden god represents divine unseen forces within.

The GOD manifested in the Holy Scriptures is both of those.


if you understand what is attributed to the europeans, it is this portrayal of god as a spook in the sky that intervenes at mysterious times.

I don’t read the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament from a European point of view; if I did I would be trapped like most black people, believing a blond hair blue eyed white man hanging on a cross saved my soul. As you can well see I don’t believe in that, thus I would have no idea as to what you are trying to explain about the European portrayal of the Supreme Being.


moses isn't a real person, that event is not literally true.

Moses is a characterization of Akhenaten and from reading ancient writings from Akhenaten The Aten Spoke to him all the time. Akhenaten became the sole medium between the Supreme Being and the people, just as Moses is depicted.


the underlying issue is: "who is this god that is speaking, and where is he now?".

HE is the Supreme Being of ALL religious systems. HE is Amma, Amun, Aten, Ra, Atum, El, YH, Allah, YHVH, etc…. HE is known by every name that is attached to the description of the Supreme Being of any system of theology, cosmology or religion from the beginning. HE is the Universe.


you continue to hint that god is a spook that sometimes intervenes. thus literally interpretting stories that were plagiarized from allegory. thus these literal understandings are not meaningful; and betray the original kemetian narratives.

Elaborate.
I could also use your same reasoning to demean Egyptian cosmology witch is a derivative from Dogon Cosmology but we will look at that some other time because the knowledge of the Dogon is not familiar to most. But I will say this, “Kemet is not the source of African Cosmology”.


exodus isn't literally true. so you need to break down the meaning of these things, otherwise you are accepting the mystery god doctrine of god as some distant spook that intervenes in the affairs of men from time to time.

The Exodus that occurs in the Holy Scriptures is a characterized recording of when all the inhabitants of Akhetaten were forced from Akhetaten by mainly Lord Ay and the Amun Priesthood who wanted all monotheistic and remembrance of Akhenaten and his followers vanished because he rerouted wealth from the whole of Egypt when he built the new Capital City Akhetaten. Several tribes in Africa have an oral history of being put out of Egypt and being told they were going to a land flowing with milk and honey. The Maasai Peoples is one of these tribes who are suspected to have been the Medjay of ancient Egypt (Police, military, etc.. of Akhetaten). They continue to use the same type of weapons and wear Egyptian Hieroglyphs as jewelry. Also the Felecia have an oral history of being forced out of Egypt. What we began to see is a dispersion of Africans from Akhetaten some going north and some going south back into Africa. The events associated with the Exodus are parts of the Egyptian Archives scientific notes and logs that were taken when a volcano erupted near Egypt. Akhenaten being Pharaoh would have had clear access to these records and used them to build the Exodus narrative. The people that went North during the Exodus mostly became the Essenes of Qumran. So know you see the Exodus story is real, you just have to know a lot about Egyptian history to put it all together and recognize what Akhenaten used to write the Old Testament.


the doctrine of a god manifesting and disappearing is a mystery god doctrine.

Elaborate.

(Music Producer) - HE is purifying the original people of the earth to separate and divide between those that hate HIM and those that do not. HE is building a people that will serve HIM only and recognize the Only Living GOD, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

you ask what metu neter says about religion. your portrayal of life, existence and god here is the european view that is being criticized. the idea that god is a super-being or a super spirit and this world is some sort of proving ground. this is the type of understanding the metu neter classifies as mythological; and criticizes europeans for advancing.

the reason you suspect the metu neter contradicts these ideas of european religion is that your understanding coincides with european portrayals of god.


(Music Producer) - GOD flung HIS Sons (demigods, lesser gods) to the earth so that they could prove Human kind. They prove Human kind through false religions that causes humans that natural despise the Supreme Being to worship false gods and reject the WORD. These false religions give the sinner or Dark Soul purpose and reason against the Supreme Being and HIS Anointed One.

seriously, read the metu neter. if you appreciate the difference between it's portrayal of god, and your ideas here; then you appreciate why the contradiction you imagine does not exist. the interpretation of religion and god and existence that you are espousing is the european interpretation as per the metu neter and other systems as well.

(Music Producer) - That is an entire concept of perceiving GOD as the internal force within and not relying on idols created by the hands of men, which Egypt was full of.

your statement betray the esoteric understanding of kemetian spirituality. if you read the metu neter you would not say these things. and i'm talking about the first 30 pages of volume 1.

a mystery god is a spook in the sky. a hidden god represents divine unseen forces within.

(Music Producer) - The GOD manifested in the Holy Scriptures is both of those.

there is no mystery god; so you are claiming the god of the bible is 1/2 something that does not exist.


(Music Producer) - I don’t read the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament from a European point of view; if I did I would be trapped like most black people, believing a blond hair blue eyed white man hanging on a cross saved my soul.

your portrayal of god is european, even if you don't worship a white jesus.

(Music Producer) - thus I would have no idea as to what you are trying to explain about the European portrayal of the Supreme Being.

do you seriously have a copy of the metu neter? skip to page 49, appreciate the definition of the neteru there, why the spiritual and material should not be viewed separately...etc. therein is the difference between the european and kamitic portrayals.

(Music Producer) - Moses is a characterization of Akhenaten and from reading ancient writings from Akhenaten The Aten Spoke to him all the time. Akhenaten became the sole medium between the Supreme Being and the people, just as Moses is depicted.

it doesn't make sense to say god only speaks to one person.


(Music Producer) - HE is the Supreme Being of ALL religious systems.

the contemporary abrahamic faiths worship a fictional supreme being; accompanied by false prophets. it does not make sense to compare something that doesn't exist to something that does.

if you seriously want to argue the understanding within the metu neter; do not mischaracterize those ideas.

if you wish to say that you disagree with those ideas...fine. your disagreement is noted. don't say a contradiction exists when you don't seem to appreciate the teachings themselves.

you are essentially arguing in favor of a false mythology here.

(Music Producer) - I could also use your same reasoning to demean Egyptian cosmology witch is a derivative from Dogon Cosmology but we will look at that some other time because the knowledge of the Dogon is not familiar to most.

cosmogenesis is symbolic. whether one derives from another is irrelevant, the question is do they convey a meaningful understanding...

(Music Producer) - But I will say this, “Kemet is not the source of African Cosmology”.

certainly, "africa" is far older than kemet.

(Music Producer) - The Exodus that occurs in the Holy Scriptures is a characterized recording of when all the inhabitants of Akhetaten were forced from Akhetaten by mainly Lord Ay and the Amun Priesthood who wanted all monotheistic and remembrance of Akhenaten and his followers vanished because he rerouted wealth from the whole of Egypt when he built the new Capital City Akhetaten. Several tribes in Africa have an oral history of being put out of Egypt and being told they were going to a land flowing with milk and honey.

this is very interesting; i'd like to see some references on this for further study. nanah darkwah and chancellor williams both suggest kemetians were forced to flee kemet for various reasons; and tried to establish those connections... anyway...

(Music Producer) - So know you see the Exodus story is real

no, i don't know that. but i would like to see your resources on the matter.
additionally, even if exodus were really about africans on the run, as has been suggested before...none of this means their interpretation of god is the correct one...

(Music Producer) - recognize what Akhenaten used to write the Old Testament.

again, moses can't be akhenaten; and neither moses nor akhenaten wrote the torah. possibly a priest of akhenaten wrote the torah, and even then most of it is a distortion of the original stories. the narrative you are describing is clearly corrupted in today's torah. thus, there is a demonstrably discontinuity between the two.
i maintain that the book of kings clearly states that the old law (torah) was lost and then found. the discontinuity that you have illustrated with your tale of akhenaten's followers and the current narrative of the hebrews only reinforces this discontinuity.

before we can move forwards you need to acknowledge that you do not adhere to or possibly do not understand the portrayal of "god" in the metu neter; and acknowledge that there is no contradiction within the doctrine. metu neter contradicts your understanding of god, but that isn't a problem for the metu neter. possibly for you...but not for the metu neter... :)

Amun symbolizes the hidden intelligence in the realm of no things thus it is in everything . once one begins to overstand the order of things and digest the principle that everything has to have an opposite to exist (As above so below). One can begin to overstand that thier is a realm with no things meaning they do not have a weight not that they do not exist(spiritual). There are two realms that must be overstood. For a total of 320 degress of spiritual realm and 320 degress of the physcial realm one can only develop the spiriutal by looking inward and listening intently and not wrecking creation to exisit or going against the laws of the neteru. Their is actually 720 degress of knowledge having a complete circuit . Once u become something or the some of things you have a definalbe weight or sum (physcial). The first physical some is the hydrogen atom thus everything has hydrogen in it. This is why the names ATom, ATum,Adam are so similar all denoting "The first"Amun represents the hidden intelligence or thoughts in the realm of no things. The faster an object moves the lighter it becomes in light of the atoms seperating and moving. This is displayed when water molecules are heated it up and they begin to move faster and the water boils and thus seperating and vaporizes until it" dissappears". It also begins to come together when the molecules become cold and move at a much slower rate in a cycle. ONce again it is not productive to agrue facts versus fiction it is frutiless cosomonogy and religion are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

you ask what metu neter says about religion. your portrayal of life, existence and god here is the european view that is being criticized. the idea that god is a super-being or a super spirit and this world is some sort of proving ground. this is the type of understanding the metu neter classifies as mythological; and criticizes europeans for advancing.

the reason you suspect the metu neter contradicts these ideas of european religion is that your understanding coincides with european portrayals of god.

You are totally BSn. The European idea is this….., “We are saved from GOD through Christ Jesus”. No where in my idea is the European concept supported.


seriously, read the metu neter. if you appreciate the difference between it's portrayal of god, and your ideas here; then you appreciate why the contradiction you imagine does not exist. the interpretation of religion and god and existence that you are espousing is the european interpretation as per the metu neter and other systems as well.

Once again you are BSn. No European will tell you that Jesus is a test sent by GOD to prove your loyalty and faith to GOD.

I have read the Metu Neter and all it does is sway you away from the Supreme Being. The author of the Metu Neter is not GOD. Any book that sways the reader away from worshiping, believing in and having absolute faith in the Supreme Being is a book created to prove and divide humans between those that worship the Supreme Being only and those that will not.


your statement betray the esoteric understanding of kemetian spirituality. if you read the metu neter you would not say these things. and i'm talking about the first 30 pages of volume 1.

What are you talking about, the flesh light thingy in which the author tries to justify worshiping demigods because they are all aspects of One GOD? Is that what you are referring to?
Well, guess what Lucifer is an aspect of GOD, Satan is an aspect of GOD, and the Nefilim is an aspect of GOD. All of these points the author fails to share with the reader.


there is no mystery god;

Then why come you can’t grasp the concept of Supreme Being?


your portrayal of god is european, even if you don't worship a white jesus.

Elaborate.


do you seriously have a copy of the metu neter? skip to page 49, appreciate the definition of the neteru there, why the spiritual and material should not be viewed separately...etc. therein is the difference between the european and kamitic portrayals.

Page 49 stolen from…….

Isa:64:8: But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.



Jer:10:16: The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer:51:19: The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.

“The Former of all things” is not a conception of the Supreme Being that limits HIM to the Subjective Realm.

The reason you are saying all of this is because you have NOT read the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures and comprehended them.

This would be the move of the Supreme Being from the Objective Realm to the Subjective Realm.

Gen:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Any passage you read, as GOD Creating something is the same concept of moving from one real to the other. GOD is forming realities that become our reality, our existence our state of being.

The author of the Metu Neter reveals nothing new because it is not possible. GOD is the Supreme Being of ALL religious systems and cosmologies from the beginning of time thus nothing can be revealed as new enlightenment. As a great study once wrote….

Eccl:1:9: The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.



it doesn't make sense to say god only speaks to one person.

Which is why we all have the WORD today for ALL to see, read and comprehend.


the contemporary abrahamic faiths worship a fictional supreme being;

Do you believe the Supreme Being has the power over men to write words as HIS own Words or as HIM Speaking the WORD from HIS own Breath?


if you wish to say that you disagree with those ideas...fine. your disagreement is noted. don't say a contradiction exists when you don't seem to appreciate the teachings themselves.

Oh, I appreciate the teachings, just like I appreciate the New Testament. But I will not and cannot allow any teachings of a lesser being or god override and contend with the Specific Words and Teachings of the Supreme Being.


you are essentially arguing in favor of a false mythology here.

Elaborate, how so?


cosmogenesis is symbolic. whether one derives from another is irrelevant, the question is do they convey a meaningful understanding...

Exactly!


this is very interesting; i'd like to see some references on this for further study. nanah darkwah and chancellor williams both suggest kemetians were forced to flee kemet for various reasons; and tried to establish those connections... anyway...

Yes, Kemet became divided between Monothism and Polythesm, a war took place and the Monothiest were scattered. But eventually all of us becamse scattered and enslaved throughout all the earth in fulfillment of the WORD.

Deut:32:26: I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

Jer:9:16: I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them.

Jer:18:17: I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy; I will shew them the back, and not the face, in the day of their calamity.



no, i don't know that. but i would like to see your resources on the matter.
additionally, even if exodus were really about africans on the run, as has been suggested before...none of this means their interpretation of god is the correct one...

ISBN 1-931888-40-1 and 1-58115-319-8. Google those numbers for the books. I also have a thread called “Egypt” that contains the books I have read thus far.


again, moses can't be akhenaten; and neither moses nor akhenaten wrote the torah. possibly a priest of akhenaten wrote the torah, and even then most of it is a distortion of the original stories. the narrative you are describing is clearly corrupted in today's torah. thus, there is a demonstrably discontinuity between the two.

If it had not have been written as it is written the Amun Priesthood would have destroyed it back then. If they had have been able to link it to Akhenaten they would have destroyed back then. The truth of it all had to be written in obscurity even to the point to make it appear as if it is referring to another people or tribe, such as the Hyksos. Otherwise we would have no Old Testament or Holy Scriptures.

music producer:
(metu neter contradiction)
you started this thread off saying the idea that europeans wrote the bible contradicted the metu neter.

if you seriously want to argue that point your argument needs to be based in the doctrine of the metu neter; not using your own understanding of god. your understanding of god is the european understanding of god, thus the european writings make sense to you.

you can't win a contradiction argument without arguing from the perspective of the teachings of the metu neter. it's that simple.

that issue of a contradiction is done unless you want to demonstrate how metu neter doctrine is contradicted, and not your own ideas of a mystery god. the metu neter doctrine is not contradicted.

(the european mystery god)

the mystery god is a spook in the sky. you already have affirmed that you believe "god is a spook in the sky". you literally stated this earlier in the thread.
you adhere to a blind faith doctrine where the words of a mystery god cannot be changed, despite the fact that the 42 negative confessions were inverted into 10 commandments; literally turning a process of self-assessment into judgement by a mystery god.
you claim the exodus is about a kemetian king, ignore the fact that the story is completely corrupted from the narrative you espouse; yet want us to believe "the words of god" remain uncorrupted; even though the narrative on this tale is completely corrupted from the truth as you believe it to be.
you have demonstrated a lack of appreciation for the kemetian cosmogony.

here is the bottom line:
you are espousing a blind faith doctrine that is demonstrably plagiarized (we've touched on this earlier in the thread); and advocating a blind faith understanding that betrays the original symbolism.

are we seriously going to sit here and argue blind-faith?

I have read the Metu Neter and all it does is sway you away from the Supreme Being.

there is no mystery god. the metu neter teaches the true understanding of god.

see, we are at an impasse already...

Well, guess what Lucifer is an aspect of GOD, Satan is an aspect of GOD, and the Nefilim is an aspect of GOD.

this is all mythology to me. lucifer, satan...not real...

Do you believe the Supreme Being has the power over men to write words as HIS own Words or as HIM Speaking the WORD from HIS own Breath?

there is no mystery god. why does a mystery god need to intervene in the affairs of man? life is not a test.

kemet became divided between Monothism and Polythesm

kemet was always monotheistic.

Google those numbers for the books

thank you. i was able to find the second "secrets of the exodus" but not the first.

my response was terse as i'm not sure we want to argue the validity of your blind faith doctrine. and that is a completely separate issue than the metu neter issue which is really a non-issue as there is no contradiction.

saying "europeans wrote bible" or "europeans distorted the bible" contradicts your beliefs, not the metu neter.

do we really want to argue your blind faith?

You are totally BSn.
i am going to ask you to stop your criticism of the metu neter and other peoples beliefs. it has become an ongoing tirade.
you believe what you believe and others are free to believe what they want.
no one has to explain anything to you.

Nibs,


the metu neter doctrine is not contradicted.

You contradict it when you minister and teach that the Caucasian wrote the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament.

Metu Neter Vol 1, page 10, 3ed paragraph…..

The difference in thought patterns between white and black races are well known. To prove the point, I will quote from well established scholars………

So how did they write the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament if they do not think in terms of religious understanding?

Did they make slaves write it?

Is Monotheistic thought un-African?


the mystery god is a spook in the sky. you already have affirmed that you believe "god is a spook in the sky".

Yes, HE is in the sky, in the ground, in the air, in the clouds, in the earth, in space, in water, in wood, in rocks, in everything because HE is the Supreme Being, HE is the Universe, we exist inside of GOD. Remember……

Jer:10:16: The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer:51:19: The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.



you adhere to a blind faith doctrine where the words of a mystery god cannot be changed, despite the fact that the 42 negative confessions were inverted into 10 commandments;

There is over 350 LAWs in the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament it is only Servants of Jesus that recognize only 10. Please do not try to misrepresent what I believe in.


yet want us to believe "the words of god" remain uncorrupted; even though the narrative on this tale is completely corrupted from the truth as you believe it to be.
you have demonstrated a lack of appreciation for the kemetian cosmogony.

No man or demigod has the power or authority to corrupt the Specific Word of the Supreme Being, it is not possible.

Your failure to understand that is due to your lack of faith in the Supreme Being. You do not believe the Supreme Being has power and authority over HIS own Written Word.

Ezek:13:9: And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Ezek:13:9: And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Aten.

Ezek:13:9: And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am Amun.

Ezek:13:9: And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am Amma.


You don’t believe in the Supreme Being.


this is all mythology to me. lucifer, satan...not real...

Did you know the Dogon refer to the first-born Nummo as The Son of GOD?
They call the Son of GOD the Smith of earth. He is so Evil that the things he has done can’t be talked about. He was the one that set the entire earth on fire and caused the other Nummo to have to flood the earth to put the fire out.

I wonder why Kemet dropped the concept of Son of GOD?

Ooh that’s right; they re-invented it to represent the Pharaoh. Maaaaaaan, that is a major, major corruption of the original ideals. Now the Kemetians will not no when they are serving the Evil one, the Trickster, the Ogo etc...

Just kidding but it is food for thought. The concept of good and evil in Kemet is seen in the eyes of Horus as one representing the Sun, and the other representing the Moon that was darkened or damaged by a struggle with Seth.

The concept is there but you have just chosen to ignore the symbolism of it.


there is no mystery god. why does a mystery god need to intervene in the affairs of man? life is not a test.

Lets try this again…….
Do you believe the Supreme Being has the power over men to write words as HIS own Words or as HIM Speaking the WORD from HIS own Breath?



kemet was always monotheistic.

No, you are lying. Kemet started out as Monotheistic as having multiple teachers (Nummo) sent by Amma. As thugs infiltrated the cosmologies they became corrupt and Kemet started worshipping the teachers as demigods and reinventing them. When Akhenaten tried to move Kemet back to Monotheism as it was in the beginning. The people that got rich from temples to the gods, selling amulets, selling wooden images, writing poems for multiple gods and inventing gods for the people, basically hustling religion, theology, cosmology etc…Did not like Akhenaten disrupting their cash flow with this Monotheistic crap. And further more they had taken over government. Akhenaten was a true believer and decided to shut the whole scam down by putting a ban on all the gods and the people that started the corruption, the Amun Priesthood.


do we really want to argue your blind faith?

Using your Metu Neter, explain and show to me how and why we became enslaved and conquered as a people. Show me the prophesies of our fall. Show me the prophesies of the coming of the white man. Show me the words of the god that prophesies and forewarns Kemet of the Evil to come and explains why. Show me with the Metu Neter why we kill each other today. Show me where the lesser gods of Kemet warns the people of the Romans. Show me how Kemetean lesser gods prophesy and describe a main religion of today that would keep us divided. Show me where the lesser gods of Kemet give you advice that will give us the power to rise to our former Kingdom. Show me where the lesser gods of Kemet gives us hope in that we do have a means of conquering our enemies. Show me where the lesser gods of Kemet predict the fall of Egypt.

Can any of this much-needed knowledge be explained and shown as being written about and spoken by any demigod of Kemet?

If not, then who’s faith is truly blind?

(Music Producer) - The difference in thought patterns between white and black races are well known. To prove the point, I will quote from well established scholars………

So how did they write the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament if they do not think in terms of religious understanding?

Did they make slaves write it?

Is Monotheistic thought un-African?

you advance a european mystery god theory that you have tried to africanize. the nature of the god that you advance is european. you have simply africanized the prophets and reinterpretted some of the actions.

we can't go around in circles on this. if you think the creator of the universe is a spook in the sky, a separate being that files around...that is a european doctrine. if you believe that the creator of the universe has a favorite family...this is also european.

(Music Producer) - There is over 350 LAWs in the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament it is only Servants of Jesus that recognize only 10.

biblical passages have no credibility with me. i illustrated how the nature of the passages changed from self assessment to external judgement.

(Music Producer) - No man or demigod has the power or authority to corrupt the Specific Word of the Supreme Being, it is not possible.

Your failure to understand that is due to your lack of faith in the Supreme Being. You do not believe the Supreme Being has power and authority over HIS own Written Word.

i have no reason to believe that the bible is the word of god.
god doesn't need to leave a recorded word anywhere. these are superstitious words for people that are lost. you don't need a book to know god. especially a book that is demonstrably plagiarized.

(Music Producer) - You don’t believe in the Supreme Being.

there is no mystery god. the god you describe to me does not exist. the texts you reference are not holy.

(Music Producer) - Did you know the Dogon refer to the first-born Nummo as The Son of GOD?

no, i have not studied the dogon; thus i have refrained from commenting on such things.
share some good references on the dogon?

(Music Producer) - The concept of good and evil in Kemet is seen in the eyes of Horus as one representing the Sun, and the other representing the Moon that was darkened or damaged by a struggle with Seth.

The concept is there but you have just chosen to ignore the symbolism of it.

the symbolism i see in the conflict with ausar/heru and set is in overcoming the inner demons/vices within man. the only evil that i understand is the tendency for peoples and systems to fall into disharmony as a result of ignorance or selfishness; due to their own delusions.

there is no mystery devil battling a mystery god.

(Music Producer) - Do you believe the Supreme Being has the power over men to write words as HIS own Words or as HIM Speaking the WORD from HIS own Breath?

no.
there is no mystery god that speaks to men. these words are the ideas of men, some enlightened; some delusional. there is no mystery god. there is no need for a mystery god to write a book of wisdom. i do not agree with your portrayal of god, the idea that a mystery god wrote a book or was a featured character in a book is not meaningful to me in any way.
this again is the european portrayal.

(Music Producer) - No, you are lying. Kemet started out as Monotheistic as having multiple teachers (Nummo) sent by Amma.

the kemetian cosmogony always starts from one source. thus monotheistic.
you focus on the exoteric teachings; what today is regarded as mythology; and you ignore the deeper symbolism of these things. technically it isn't possible to worship or acknowledge anything other than the one god. everything is an expression or emanation from that one god. everything is that one god. yet, when people begin to claim the one god said xyz to moses, or set a bush on fire, or flew around in the skies chastizing the hebrews for their idolatry...this is no longer the true supreme creator or reality. this is a deluded representation of the supreme being. thus, there is nothing other than the one god; within everything and all. at the same time the mystery god is a fabrication that does not exist.
the mystery god is a false portrayal of a real principle.

you ask me if i believe in the supreme being and i am forced to say no. not because i deny a supreme creator, a first cause, a higher, fundamental all pervasive existence; but because i must deny the portrayals and ideas that you advance about this god. the god you describe and believe in is not the god that i know.

(Music Producer) - When Akhenaten tried to move Kemet back to Monotheism as it was in the beginning.

again. i don't buy into akhenaten. he didn't understand what he was dealing with. you started the discussion about contradictions within the metu neter; yet you really want to argue what is the true understanding of things.

(Music Producer) - The people that got rich from temples to the gods, selling amulets, selling wooden images, writing poems for multiple gods and inventing gods for the people, basically hustling religion

if you wish to portray akhenaten as a reformer trying to clean up corruption; that's one thing. his portrayal of the gods or understandings is not greater than what had been. we do not agree over your distinctions between monotheism and polytheism.

(Music Producer) - Using your Metu Neter, explain and show to me how and why we became enslaved and conquered as a people. Show me the prophesies of our fall.

the metu neter is not a book of prophecies, yet it does explain how a people could lose their way, forget who they are...etc. thus it does explain the fall of a people.

there were kemetian prophecies of the fall of their society to the white man; however this is not unique to kemet or even africa. tibetan buddhists, the hopi's and aztecs also had similar prophecies.

i have not doubted the dogon in anyway, so if you are referring to dogon prophecies i do not doubt them.
you seem to portray me as believing kemet had all the knowledge. knowledge is universal. kemet did not have all the knowledge and kemet is not first. we know kemetian civilization was an outgrowth of kush, which was an outgrowth of saharan civilizations as well.
the primary reason kemet gets so much focus is that europeans have done a lot of work researching kemet, excavations and such in their attempts to whiten them up, or arabize them as "egyptians" of today. thus, the misguided efforts of europeans has fueled interest in the truths about kemet.

anyway, where we disagree is in whether or not the bible is holy, credible or useful; and in your faith in a mystery god that does not exist.

if you want to speak on dogon prophecies i'm prepared to listen. if you want to drop references i will take a look.

if you want to get into why the mystery god is not real, why the god you describe is european, why the bible is not credible...we can go over this again...the bottom line is we would only be arguing the basis for your blind faith.

(Music Producer) - If not, then who’s faith is truly blind?

i don't have faith, i rely on knowledge. i have no faith in god. i have knowledge of god.

Nibs:


you advance a european mystery god theory that you have tried to africanize. the nature of the god that you advance is european. you have simply africanized the prophets and reinterpretted some of the actions.

we can't go around in circles on this. if you think the creator of the universe is a spook in the sky, a separate being that files around...that is a european doctrine. if you believe that the creator of the universe has a favorite family...this is also european.

How is this concept……….

Hosea:13:4: Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

…..of European origin?

Is Monotheistic thought un-African?

Please answer those questions before we continue.

(Music Producer) -
How is this concept……….

Hosea:13:4: Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

…..of European origin?

a talking spook in the sky is european. if you suggest that the creator of the universe is a talking spook in the sky...then yes; that is a european concept. the creator of the universe, the supreme being, the first cause...etc...does not speak with humans or write books.

Is Monotheistic thought un-African?

"thor" is un-african. "zeus" is un-african. we have already discussed how kemetian spirituality was always monotheistic. you study the exoteric teachings, the "mythology" and that is all you focus on.

a talking spook in the sky is european. if you suggest that the creator of the universe is a talking spook in the sky...then yes; that is a european concept. the creator of the universe, the supreme being, the first cause...etc...does not speak with humans or write books.

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with addressing the information conceived from that passage. That passage has absolutely nothing to do with “a talking spook in the sky”. So I will ask you again……

Hosea:13:4: Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

How does that passage convey a European concept of GOD?


"thor" is un-african. "zeus" is un-african. we have already discussed how kemetian spirituality was always monotheistic. you study the exoteric teachings, the "mythology" and that is all you focus on.

Elaborate on exoteric teachings.

(Music Producer) - Your response has absolutely nothing to do with addressing the information conceived from that passage. That passage has absolutely nothing to do with “a talking spook in the sky”. So I will ask you again...

Hosea:13:4: Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

How does that passage convey a European concept of GOD?

i have adequately answered the question.

that passage suggests of a jealous spook speaking from the sky; in a threatening manner.

what is the meaning of these statements? what is this god saving men from? who or what is actually speaking?

these are meaningless statements that lack depth.


(Music Producer) - Elaborate on exoteric teachings.

exoteric is basically the superficial literal understandings of a teaching. the true meaning of these texts is typically hidden or encoded in some symbolism. you refuse to appreciate the symbolism which is why you continue to insist that kemet was polytheistic.