"black people can't solve their problems by themselves" - Armstrong Williams - 7/2/2006

"the white man is the problem, the black man is the solution" - jamefrmphilly

which do you agree with?

not sure i overstand. is this a statement from armstrong williams?

not sure i overstand. is this a statement from armstrong williams?
yes, this is what he said last night on the steven A. smith show, "quite frankly", where they were discussing the book "the 40 million dollar slaves".
this book examines the pro athlete who has a huge contract but is cut off from the black community and his money is steered into the white community.
the book talks about how all the handlers of the black athlete are white guys.
armstrong says we need those white guys.

Hotep

For those of us who are awake and are awakening, we know that there is no such thing as anyone else on this planet or the universe for that matters who cares remotely about our problems, condition, well being, life and future...except and only others of our kind and that is the so-called African. We are the original, indigenis people of the planet "Earth"...before "Us" there was no others. Our age is in the "Trillions" of years before the recent advent (6,000 years ago) of the so-called white "Race" apeard. The TWI and Hootu's history in so-called Africa is well documented to be more than 400-thousand years but we go back in time with civilizations that defiy "Time" as far as "Western" historians are willing to admit or even know about. Our so-called African culture has only been interupted by the so-called 'indo-europians for less than 6,000 years and before that "We" are already veary, veary, veary ancient in our "Collective-Spirituality" and advancment as a people. Now today...after being brought and spoiled...into "Slavery" and being "Striped" of our collective..."Spirituality"..."Hue-Manity" by the "Open-Enemy"...some of us now "Foolishly" and "ignorantly" think that (so-called Africans) black people can't do with out "Whites"?!! This is none other than the sick, idiotic, pathologic, retardate conditioning that is only tought to a "Slave" to have "Sick-Love" for his/her (Slave-Masters) open enemy who tought them to think this way in the mis-education, indoctrination through the "white-superimist" system of "white-supremacy". What a "Fool" tells us today does not count for nothing what so ever when it comes to "African-Liberation" because a "Black-Fool" thinks he/she needs their "Open-Enemy" to tell them what to do, say and think and with out (so-called white folks)...we Black people cant' solve our probles by our selves. Make no mistake...as long as we sit and continue to wait on "Krackers" to help, assist, guide, help or even to remotely teach , treat or show any form of "humanity"...we will be...all wiped off the face of the earth first before that ever happens. The indo-europen is the "Natural" open-enemy to all people of color and spacificly the indigenis (original-people) black so-called "Africans". Why do we still...have to wait...on (europians) them today to give us any thing what so ever??? Why do we still think that the "White-Race" is going to show "Us" any thing other than what they have already shown "Us" for the past (6,000) six-thousand years??? Who is the "Fool" working for...who does the black "Fool" represent...other than him or her self and others like them who are only concerned with (pleasing) what their "Slave-Master" thinks and wishes??? The white-race don't care about "You" and never ,ever has or never ,ever will. They (europians) will always work to develop scientific, religious ways to "Distroy" "You" from the face of the "EARTH"...that is their "Nature". "PEOPLE KNOW YOUR SELF"

Ase`

Just found this site. Seems like some intelligent people here but why do you encourage people to ignore the facts and our problems. Just hide our problems and blame them on whites and without any change we would have to stay the same for another 100 years. Or is this really the hidden agenda here anyway. Should we hide this post.
Are we so used to instant gratification that it is much easier and we don’t have to work at anything if we just blame someone else? Instead of taking the time to improve and earn respect.
Look at some of the posts.
On black communities: we have a large enough population of blacks we could take over a large area and not even have to live with whites. We don’t have the basic moral standards to have a thriving black community. Look at history. We follow whites into cities and towns, our population in that area grows, we take over areas and the area declines. We think whites don’t see this. We take more from a community than we give so it can’t work. You cannot just have children and expect them to raise themselves; we want even this to be easy. We used to say the reason we can’t learn is because we learn different and are being taught by white teachers and school administrators. So what happened when we started having blacks run some of the schools and teach? Things got worse and our scores went down. Right now if we took over the world what would we have then, a large ghetto. Some of you will spend years wishing for something you would not want when you got it. What has happened here and even in Africa when we try by ourselves without addressing our problems. Look at Zimbabwe, they kicked out the white farmers and went from having so much food they could export to a country that good not feed itself. I know some will say the whites brainwashed them into not being able to farm or into thinking crops grow by themselves. Also look at the crime in South Africa.
Look at the post on blacks in prison: Not much on changing our moral standards so many don’t go to prison in the first place. If I walk thru a black neighborhood after dark I feel more should go to prison, not less. Should our people who are peaceful have to fear if we let out these criminals.
Then we have a post on slavery if it came back here. But no concern about the slavery before this country had it or still 100 years later in Africa. When things like Rwanda happened in this countries slavery time they would have been still alive as slaves. Now with not much demand most are killed.
There will always be some discrimination it is human nature. If no whites then it would be between light and dark skinned. If we were the majority with whites we would discriminate as much if not more.

Just found this site. Seems like some intelligent people here but why do you encourage people to ignore the facts and our problems. Just hide our problems and blame them on whites and without any change we would have to stay the same for another 100 years. Or is this really the hidden agenda here anyway. Should we hide this post.
Are we so used to instant gratification that it is much easier and we don’t have to work at anything if we just blame someone else? Instead of taking the time to improve and earn respect.
Look at some of the posts.
On black communities: we have a large enough population of blacks we could take over a large area and not even have to live with whites. We don’t have the basic moral standards to have a thriving black community. Look at history. We follow whites into cities and towns, our population in that area grows, we take over areas and the area declines. We think whites don’t see this. We take more from a community than we give so it can’t work. You cannot just have children and expect them to raise themselves; we want even this to be easy. We used to say the reason we can’t learn is because we learn different and are being taught by white teachers and school administrators. So what happened when we started having blacks run some of the schools and teach? Things got worse and our scores went down. Right now if we took over the world what would we have then, a large ghetto. Some of you will spend years wishing for something you would not want when you got it. What has happened here and even in Africa when we try by ourselves without addressing our problems. Look at Zimbabwe, they kicked out the white farmers and went from having so much food they could export to a country that good not feed itself. I know some will say the whites brainwashed them into not being able to farm or into thinking crops grow by themselves. Also look at the crime in South Africa.
Look at the post on blacks in prison: Not much on changing our moral standards so many don’t go to prison in the first place. If I walk thru a black neighborhood after dark I feel more should go to prison, not less. Should our people who are peaceful have to fear if we let out these criminals.
Then we have a post on slavery if it came back here. But no concern about the slavery before this country had it or still 100 years later in Africa. When things like Rwanda happened in this countries slavery time they would have been still alive as slaves. Now with not much demand most are killed.
There will always be some discrimination it is human nature. If no whites then it would be between light and dark skinned. If we were the majority with whites we would discriminate as much if not more.
hello and welcome to the site.
judging from what you have written, i get the impression that you think black people are inferior to white people.
have you come here to teach us that?

"black people can't solve their problems by themselves" - Armstrong Williams - 7/2/2006

"the white man is the problem, the black man is the solution" - jamefrmphilly

which do you agree with?

jamesfrmphilly. (that was easy)

hello and welcome to the site.
judging from what you have written, i get the impression that you think black people are inferior to white people.
have you come here to teach us that?


You can not say inferior because it is proven we can do just as much. we just don’t make it an issues or try. We do have plenty of Blacks that do have good standards it’s just not the majority. It’s interesting with your reply, how you try to bring certain strong defensive feelings into the discussion as another way to mask the facts. Get people mad enough at something else, or encourage strong emotional feelings, and they can’t see what’s right in front of their face. Basic Psychology and easier to accept. Ignoring the facts will not change them

You can not say inferior because it is proven we can do just as much. we just don’t make it an issues or try.
We do have plenty of Blacks that do have good standards it’s just not the majority.
you are clearly stating your view that blacks are inferior to whites.


It’s interesting with your reply, how you try to bring certain strong defensive feelings into the discussion as another way to mask the facts. Get people mad enough at something else, or encourage strong emotional feelings, and they can’t see what’s right in front of their face. Basic Psychology and easier to accept. Ignoring the facts will not change them
i am not aware of any facts that you have presented. i must remind you that while we are all entitled to our own opinions we are not entitled to our own facts.
please do not confuse the two.

I think that us black brothas have to step up to the plate and swing a baseball bat, then we be chillin with the dealin. That's the reelin. Also I think it's silly to be kneelin with the feelin. Where's the healin? Level 6 Paladin, that guy's stealin. :darts: :darts: :spin: :spin: :horse:

yes, this is what he said last night on the steven A. smith show, "quite frankly", where they were discussing the book "the 40 million dollar slaves".
this book examines the pro athlete who has a huge contract but is cut off from the black community and his money is steered into the white community.
the book talks about how all the handlers of the black athlete are white guys.
armstrong says we need those white guys.

WOW, THATS A TRAGEDY. lIKE ONYX SAID 'ALL WE GOT IS US". NO THOSE PINK BOYS NEED US! I SEE RTHIS A BIGGER PROBLEM IN NFL THEN NBA. NBA PLAYERS SEEM TO BE MORE IN TOUCH, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE THEIR PROLEMS.

SO WHAT SAYS THESE PRO ATHELETES CANT CONTROL THEIR OWN MONEY.

I RECENTLY SAW kEVIN jOHNSON FORMER pHEONIX SUNS STAR POINT GUARD ON OPRAH. HE QUIT THE NBA EARLY DUE TO INJURY AND STARTED BUILDING SCHOOLS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA FOR INNER CITY YOUTH. That was a refreshing piece, some hope that not all these atheletes are zombies with black skin and white brains. Dikembe Mutombo is another brother that comes to mind.

I RECENTLY SAW kEVIN jOHNSON FORMER pHEONIX SUNS STAR POINT GUARD ON OPRAH. HE QUIT THE NBA EARLY DUE TO INJURY AND STARTED BUILDING SCHOOLS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA FOR INNER CITY YOUTH. That was a refreshing piece, some hope that not all these atheletes are zombies with black skin and white brains. Dikembe Mutombo is another brother that comes to mind.

Yeah I like to hear that Brotha Therious. By the way, check this out (www.myspace.com/mayasa1), [if you have not already]

KD

Yeah I like to hear that Brotha Therious. By the way, check this out (www.myspace.com/mayasa1), [if you have not already]

KD

yeah i likes that. flipped the scrip.

"black people can't solve their problems by themselves" - Armstrong Williams - 7/2/2006

"the white man is the problem, the black man is the solution" - jamefrmphilly

which do you agree with?

I think this is a great mind provoking thread topic. After thought, I would argue that both quotes possess truths and fallacies to degree.

"the white man is the problem, the black man is the solution" - jamefrmphilly

The white man is definitely the seed of a multitude of the problems we have faced in the last 500-6000 years. But the Black man will certainly require something other than the absence of the white man in order for our problems to be solved. Such is to say even in such a void we would only continue on the same path that we are currently on, as we will (collectively) have been trained/indoctrinated and recreated in his likeness/image (look at us today as a reference). So what's imperative is that WE find/remember who WE are.

I would like to agree, however, that a reawakening through education and realization would be far less difficult without the presence of the white man. But then I begin to contemplate the possibility that we may even more readily accept the ways as such, because they would no longer be perpetuated by him. We would be "runnin thangs." And for many of us, that alone would make everything all right, bc it wouldn't be "all white."

*As a side note, I don't think all Blacks are inherently "good" and similarly promised the key to "Heaven" based on their so-called nationality/race. I think such things are rather based on the Spirit's relationship to and identification with The Most High. Clearly, the white man has no such relationship… at all. But is it not conceivable that the same evil spirits of whites can be found within some Blacks (at this point, increasingly so)?*

A point of potential significance is how anything as weak as this white man and as heinous as his actions could even affect US unless we had already forgotten/fallen from what we are? That is, either we are of the Cherubim or the Seraphim. Respectively, either we are of the original Fabric of the Original Mind/Universe and have since fallen (asleep?) and subsequently forgotten; or we are the submissive Gods and keepers of this realm submissive to and of whom the Original God created. I think whitey is just another physical manifestation of the latter beings, created outside of Nature/ALL by Us, the former (in degree, of course).

It is of no wonder that beings without souls have no remorse or humanity. They have no recollection of ALL. There is no connection. This is like the concept of The Terminator or The Matrix wherein the computers, creations of the original creators, took control of (man) the creator and began to create ALL on their own. So a completely new world is created by these entities without connection to The Most High. Without connection to the original world. In fact, in both movies/stories, the computers were seeking to destroy the original world altogether. Neo (Thomas, Tomus) and Morpheus (Melchesidec) were trying to awaken the people so that they might remember. Arnold terminated without remorse. The agents did the same. Their false existence was their only necessity.

Yet the computers needed/required the Beings of the original creation in order to survive. Because our thoughts give rise to their being. Our vessels (and those of whites) provide travel for their spirits (agents?). The Seraphonic realm is the mind of the creations of The Original Creator (Our minds). It is this/these Mind(s) that, in turn, created the Gods who created the creations of the Seraphonic realm. This is why it is said that you can be IN the world and not be OF the world. We are not of this Seraphonic world, but we sleep and create the Gods who create those who are. In doing so we relinquish our own divinity to them. And again, to a degree, this divinity ceases to exist because we do not realize it. And they do their best to ensure we don't again become aware of the reality. And that's why sleep is said to be the cousin of death. Not the sleep we do at night, but the sleep we do when we think we are awake.

*It is a good point to recall that the two original children of Zion "grown right here in the real world" with no holes on their necks were two Brothas (who were brothers).*

So we must remember. The white man and similar spirits must keep us asleep and mindful of their false nature of creativity. They must ensure we perpetually forget.


"black people can't solve their problems by themselves" - Armstrong Williams - 7/2/2006
Only without attention to the white man AND the spirits contained within him (and many of us) can our problems even begin to be solved.



So, (obviously :) ) to me, it's not nearly as "cut and dry" as it might seem. I don't believe anything of true significance is within people, places, and things per se.
Simply put though, the white man is definitely the seed of a multitude of the problems we have faced in the last 500-6000 years. I just think we planted the seed.

I have a 38 year old son who started blaming everyone he came in contact with for what ever problems he had, while he was growing up. He did poorly in school, and it was the teacher's fault. I wouldn't let him play football while in school, because he wasn't doing well in his studies. He became an habitual criminal after getting "kicked out" of the Army for insubordination. He blames that on my not letting him play football in school, it made him apathetic toward life, so he say's. He has five children that he can't support, say's that's not his problem, somebody else will take care of them. He lost his drivers license and continued to drive anyway, was caught and gave as his name, the name of my deceased son, his brother. He has served about three or four terms in prison, say's he was innocent of all charges.

He hates white people, and say's they should all be killed for coming here in the first place. I could go on and on about him. But my point is, in reference to the question "who is responsible for our problems?". It has become a pathology in the black community to not accept responsibility for our situation. Tevis Smiley said that some black people blame 97% of their problems on white people. How in the world can someone else have that much control over what you do with your life?

I read what Geo64 said in his remarks, and I have to say I agree with much of what he said. It's not about superiority or inferiority, it's about acknowledgement and accountablity for your actions. A wise man once said to me the following "C students run the world". Where is the superiority? Blaming white folks is a cop out. We can solve our own problems, in fact, we must. Otherwise, we have allowed ourselves to fall from first place, to last place. If we stay in last place long enough, we will be remembered for that, not for being the original people on earth.

I have a 38 year old son who started blaming everyone he came in contact with for what ever problems he had, while he was growing up. He did poorly in school, and it was the teacher's fault. I wouldn't let him play football while in school, because he wasn't doing well in his studies. He became an habitual criminal after getting "kicked out" of the Army for insubordination. He blames that on my not letting him play football in school, it made him apathetic toward life, so he say's. He has five children that he can't support, say's that's not his problem, somebody else will take care of them. He lost his drivers license and continued to drive anyway, was caught and gave as his name, the name of my deceased son, his brother. He has served about three or four terms in prison, say's he was innocent of all charges.

He hates white people, and say's they should all be killed for coming here in the first place. I could go on and on about him. But my point is, in reference to the question "who is responsible for our problems?". It has become a pathology in the black community to not accept responsibility for our situation. Tevis Smiley said that some black people blame 97% of their problems on white people. How in the world can someone else have that much control over what you do with your life?

I read what Geo64 said in his remarks, and I have to say I agree with much of what he said. It's not about superiority or inferiority, it's about acknowledgement and accountablity for your actions. A wise man once said to me the following "C students run the world". Where is the superiority? Blaming white folks is a cop out. We can solve our own problems, in fact, we must. Otherwise, we have allowed ourselves to fall from first place, to last place. If we stay in last place long enough, we will be remembered for that, not for being the original people on earth.

Brother MrRon ... with all due respect ... as your son's Father, you do have some responsibility in the condition of his life, the things you've told us of him. To speak of him as you have, do you not realize you are speaking of yourself as well?

When Members talk of their own personal situations, or isolated cases (even if there are a hundred like them), that is not necessarily representative of us collectively, as a people ... i mean ... in case you didn't know.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Destee, I couldn't disagree with you more. He has since turned his life around largely because of my influence. He is actually a step child, but I never refer to him in that way. My wife and I worked very hard with him, he had a unique personality within the family which included five children, the others turned out fine.

But to stay on the subject, what I was saying is that black folks blame the white man, like some children blame their parents for the way they turned out. So the question I ask is, are white people our parents? If not, why are we treating them like they are? Are we the reflection of our white parents? I sure hope no one thinks so.

Destee, I couldn't disagree with you more. He has since turned his life around largely because of my influence. He is actually a step child, but I never refer to him in that way. My wife and I worked very hard with him, he had a unique personality within the family which included five children, the others turned out fine.

MrRon ... if you never refer to him as your step child, why do it now?

You talk of Black Folk taking responsibility, yet you seem to be relinquishing yours in this case.

No matter, it's your own business, i won't press.


But to stay on the subject, what I was saying is that black folks blame the white man, like some children blame their parents for the way they turned out. So the question I ask is, are white people our parents? If not, why are we treating them like they are? Are we the reflection of our white parents? I sure hope no one thinks so.

White folk are to blame, and it is way past time for them to carry that burden. Why are you so intent on relinquishing them from their responsibility regarding the mass devastation of our people that they have done, and continue to do?

I have never heard any Black Folk say anywhere, anything like they consider white folk their parents, except you. That is an insult to all Black Parents and all Black Children. If anything, we are their parent, they are not ours. We nursed their children, they did not nurse ours. They came from us, we did not come from them.

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Destee

I am not in denial, I grew up during Jim Crow, I know a lot about their dirty deeds, and the lasting affects they've had on the black community. I don't think they deny them either. My point is this, they burned our house's down, so, do we wait and see if they are going to rebuild them for us? Do we stay out in the elements and suffer more harm, while we wait?

Some whites would argue that they have already made restitution through various programs. I'm not about to argue their case for them. We are at a point now that we've turned on ourselves. I live near Philadelphia, they are now at a record pace for murders this year. It's mostly black on black crime. In the majority of the cases both the assailant and the victim have extensive criminal records. Do you think the white community really cares?

I don't have the time to cast blame, while my blood is running out of the wound.

I didn't say that white folks are our parents, I said we treat them like they are by blaming them for every one of our problems, it's just an analogy. Genetics are irrelevant, who came from who is for science. Maybe they came from outer space. At any rate, none of that solves the problems. All the money in the world won't solve the problems either. We need to reprogram our people to survive and thrive, not to look further for someone to blame. Because even if they plead guilty, the problems will still remain.

um, the original ? was whether or not we needed white people in order to solve our problems.

"black people can't solve their problems by themselves" - Armstrong Williams - 7/2/2006

"the white man is the problem, the black man is the solution" - jamefrmphilly

which do you agree with?I agree with your statement Jamesfrmphilly. White folks are the cause and Black folks must come up with the solution.

I don't understand this growing desire to blame Black folks for ALL of their problems. And I really don't understand this great desire by some Black people NOT to blame White folks for what they've done to us and others on this planet. If they did it, then they should shoulder the blame. However, I do believe the victims must come up with a solution so that it doesn't happen again.

Not blaming White folks will not solve our problems. Let us stop appeasing White folks. Solutions to this problems can and will be derived. But no valid solution can be implemented if we do NOT consider the cause of our suffering and where that suffering comes from...i.e., White folks.

If you do not understand White Supremacy (Racism) --- what it is, and how it works --- everything else that you understand, will only confuse you.

White people only want to exploit and profit from our ignorance and problems. They could care less about helping us solve any of them.

I agree with your statement Jamesfrmphilly. White folks are the cause and Black folks must come up with the solution.

I don't understand this growing desire to blame Black folks for ALL of their problems. And I really don't understand this great desire by some Black people NOT to blame White folks for what they've done to us and others on this planet. If they did it, then they should shoulder the blame. However, I do believe the victims must come up with a solution so that it doesn't happen again.



Blaming them is wasted effort. They don't give a rats @$$ about what they did to us or anyone else! We need to concentrate on all of the black skinned garbage that is destroying our race, and start holding them accountable. We've defended their lifestyles for way to long.

Blaming them is wasted effort. They don't give a rats @$$ about what they did to us or anyone else! We need to concentrate on all of the black skinned garbage that is destroying our race, and start holding them accountable. We've defended their lifestyles for way to long.

BigTown ... don't come here calling Black people garbage. As long as you've been a Member, seems you'd know better.

Please keep in mind where you are, and don't do this again. Thanks.

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Destee

Armstrong Williams is an uncle tom who will do anything to get in better with the white people because he hates the skin he is in. Given a chance he would be a white man even at his on peril.

To answer the question: Jamesfromphilly was closer. However, the white man is no longer the problem. They had such a good plan for slavery that we have taken it and run with it. Like one member stated, if you removed the white man from the U.S. tomorrow, our problems would not go away. They are ingrained generational curses of thought now. We have to change the way we think and operate....PERIOD. It has very little to do with them anymore. Are they to blame for the situation we are in? YES. Are they the problem now? NO.

How and what we think is the problem. Changing how and what we think is the solution. We don't need white people for that!!

We are the only ones that can solve our problems. Information is not free nor is freedom. To solicit a solution from others is like writing and IOU check that we would never be able is repay. What we would doing is exchanging one set of problems for another and yet still be dependent on someone. True independence starts when we are self sufficient. This does not mean we need to be an island to ourselves. We can be a global player in world economy but we must have sovereignty.


Peace...

"black people can't solve their problems by themselves" - Armstrong Williams - 7/2/2006

"the white man is the problem, the black man is the solution" - jamefrmphilly

which do you agree with?
agree with Jamesfrmphilly , not just because the white man is the problem but also he has as a whole no desire or interest in helping us to solve the problem he would on the whole rather keep us in the mess we are in so he can continue to view himself as superior.
Thats the problem with the other guys view the guy seems to lack the realization that the white racist system doesn't want for us to solve our problems or to achieve equal footing.

the black man is definitely the solution, if you know anything about human evolution you would know black folk came first, therefore the black man is the head of the human family and the best knower and carer of the earth and therefore is the one chosen by the God himself to safe gaurd the earth. The white men has ruled for some centuries now and things havent got better they have only got worse, a real man knows how to be honest with himself and let go of power and give it to the rightful owner but the white man has always had a inability to be a man and so he sits there stubburn to the facts even though he knows his time of wicked rulership is almost over. The time when we will see the changing of guard is when the public have lost all trust in the government in the west, this is happening, peoples patients is wearing thin especially when you consider how many members of the public are anti bush, anti west and have spoken out against the war in iraq. Soon the world will know the truth.

The Black/African man is certainly the solution to his own problems; however, we must first expunge all things venomous about Western and White culture from us. We need to stop using derogatory terminology to describe ourselves such as the N-word and even "black" unless we are using words from our own indigenous African languages.

We need to stop putting the European at the center of our thoughts and ideology when devising plans for ourselves. I saw a website recently called "Dangerous Negro" of some "educated" young brothers. It was certainly inspiring; however, one must ask, "dangerous to whom?" We need to stop validating our plans, endeavors, desires, and actions with Whites and simply be proactive instead of reactive. This is the solution and plan. Once we expunge the venomous aspects of Western culture from amongst our people who wish to be collectively progressive, then we will truly begin to know ourselves. Once we know thyself, it no longer becomes a question of if we will redeem our rightfully respected and advanced position on Earth, but when.

"black people can't solve their problems by themselves" - Armstrong Williams - 7/2/2006

"the white man is the problem, the black man is the solution" - jamefrmphilly

which do you agree with?

Neither.

Black ppl can solve their own problems if a critical mass decides to solve it and follows through. That's not to say help from ppl of other ethnicities and races wouldn't be a good thing from time to time. My experience has been that Black ppl here in the US are largely disconnected from the other ppls of the world. Collaborating with ppl from different backgrounds, races, ethnicities, etc might help open the minds of our closed minded and oddly conservative Black peers.

I'm not sure I get the idea of white men as the "problem" and black men as the "solution". At the risk of sounding really ignorant... what problem do they personify and how are we as Black men the personification of a solution? And why not Black women? Are they unworthy to be the antibody against the white race? And why would I as a Black male want to define myself merely as the antithesis of white guys? That sounds really dull and limiting.

Collaborating with ppl from different backgrounds, races, ethnicities, etc might help open the minds of our closed minded and oddly conservative Black peers.


I agree. This Black only mantra is one of the reasons why folks like to call us "racists"<--- I don't agree...
We live in a nation where non-Blacks are the majority 88%. Also, when other races invade our communities and set up businesses, they could care less which race is making their business boom, especially the Koreans and folks from India. SO why in the world are we as a people so reluctant to do the same. These folks interact with Blacks on the daily, yet seek not to integrate. I think the problems lies with Black people mixing business with pleasure; just because we embark on business ventures with "others" certainly doesn't mean we have to off & marry one of them or become "friends"...that seems to be our weakness.

Look at history. We follow whites into cities and towns, our population in that area grows, we take over areas and the area declines. We think whites don’t see this. We take more from a community than we give so it can’t work.

You appear to be ignoring the divestment that occured in urban areas as a result of white flight. You say we should "look at history" but you tell the story as if you never met a person who was alive in the 50's and 60's, never read a book about urban US history, never read a newspaper article about it, never heard of "redlining" or all the antidiscriminatory real estate laws. All those things are part of history. Did you think the lawyers, journalists, writers, teachers, researchers, and your own elders were kidding?

Instead of trolling on here I suggest you go google "white flight" and read up. After you look at real history and not just the history you made up in your own head your perspective will change by 180 degrees.

I'm not sure I get the idea of white men as the "problem" and black men as the "solution". At the risk of sounding really ignorant... what problem do they personify and how are we as Black men the personification of a solution? And why not Black women? Are they unworthy to be the antibody against the white race? And why would I as a Black male want to define myself merely as the antithesis of white guys? That sounds really dull and limiting.
everyone else seems to get it, why not you?
i'm just using a little poetic licence.

anyway, welcome to the forum.

Another sad exemplar of the white problem.

http://www.uthtv.com/umedia/show/2052/

To answer the question: Jamesfromphilly was closer. However, the white man is no longer the problem. They had such a good plan for slavery that we have taken it and run with it. Like one member stated, if you removed the white man from the U.S. tomorrow, our problems would not go away. They are ingrained generational curses of thought now. We have to change the way we think and operate....PERIOD. It has very little to do with them anymore. Are they to blame for the situation we are in? YES. Are they the problem now? NO.

How and what we think is the problem. Changing how and what we think is the solution. We don't need white people for that!!

We are the only ones that can solve our problems. Information is not free nor is freedom. To solicit a solution from others is like writing and IOU check that we would never be able is repay. What we would doing is exchanging one set of problems for another and yet still be dependent on someone. True independence starts when we are self sufficient. This does not mean we need to be an island to ourselves. We can be a global player in world economy but we must have sovereignty.



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These two posts are very well stated to the question.