It is late and I am just sitting here thinking **** the white man is something else.
He can walk into a country push the natives out and claim the land as his own.
He can enslave our people the set us free and have us so brainwashed that we cant live without the products that he profits from.
He can come up with a crazy notion like homosexuality and have people believing that that type of lifestyle should be tolerated.
He can make it so that we have to go $100,000 in debt to go to college and learn nothing or feel inadequate if we dont do so.
This is a hell of a guy.
But then I think. Where else can I go. Conditions arent much better in the land of my ancestors.

The white man is an unnatural born, animalistic, and sociopathic idiot.
Those who put him on to how to make this perfect society are the ones who deserve the... perfect society award.
But I still wouldn't even consider them geniuses.

Regardless, I dig your point most certainly.
The less than 1% are very conscious of their being barely conscious.
They are also very conscious of our lack of realization of our supreme consciousness.
Such, however, only makes them well advised and tenacious.

But then I think. Where else can I go. Conditions arent much better in the land of my ancestors.
The new order is that of the entire world. Our refuge IS in no person, place, or thing.
"You can certainly be in the world and not be of the world. But it is impossible to be in the system without being of the system."

Free Our Mind.

It is late and I am just sitting here thinking **** the white man is something else.
He can walk into a country push the natives out and claim the land as his own.
He can enslave our people the set us free and have us so brainwashed that we cant live without the products that he profits from.
He can come up with a crazy notion like homosexuality and have people believing that that type of lifestyle should be tolerated.
He can make it so that we have to go $100,000 in debt to go to college and learn nothing or feel inadequate if we dont do so.
This is a hell of a guy.
But then I think. Where else can I go. Conditions arent much better in the land of my ancestors.

your lost my brotha you need a serious dose of self esteem, great men save nations and people in need of help not take advantage of another mans problems and then kill all the leaders thatwould try and solve these problems, thats not a genius but a weak man who doesnt have the strength of character to feel happy with his own world, because ofhis insecurities he has to trouble other people to make himself feel like someone, in other words to sum up the white race is this 'MISERY LOVES COMPANY'. Dont find amusement or adoration in these peoples actions, be alarmed

It is late and I am just sitting here thinking **** the white man is something else.
He can walk into a country push the natives out and claim the land as his own.
He can enslave our people the set us free and have us so brainwashed that we cant live without the products that he profits from.
He can come up with a crazy notion like homosexuality and have people believing that that type of lifestyle should be tolerated.
He can make it so that we have to go $100,000 in debt to go to college and learn nothing or feel inadequate if we dont do so.
This is a hell of a guy.
But then I think. Where else can I go. Conditions arent much better in the land of my ancestors.
It should be noted that a people (such as the Caucasian)who are insensitive to the needs of others are not fair-minded or an ingenious people, in the collective sense of the word. Plus, when insensitive people parade around the world claiming that they are fair to other cultures, as they do already, it should be pointed out that their ideology of fairness is based upon a lie. They have destroyed every land that they have visited or invaded. Plus, Caucasians (as a collective) have never been fair to people of color. Their own history verifies that most of them are uncomfortable around people who do not look like them.

It doesn’t matter what words are used to describe the attitude of whites when it comes to racism or prejudice, in the final analysis, their lack of corrective actions to remedy a dreadful setup for people of color is wrong. Within this EVIL setup are implanted the seeds for self-destruction for their wicked kind.

Communication between the races for hundreds of years have not improved the racial climate around the world. In fact, their attitude of racial supremacy has been constantly taught in schools, churches, and the workplace. The lack of guilt by many Caucasians is a cause for concern because it CLEARLY indicates a lack of a conscience when it comes to the needs of others. This WICKED mindset appears to be imbedded in their white supremacy teachings. As long as they maintain this lack of caring and sharing, social disruptions are not only imminent, but inevitable.

Geniuses aren't that MYOPIC!

It should be noted that a people (such as the Caucasian)who are insensitive to the needs of others are not fair-minded or an ingenious people, in the collective sense of the word. Plus, when insensitive people parade around the world claiming that they are fair to other cultures, as they do already, it should be pointed out that their ideology of fairness is based upon a lie. They have destroyed every land that they have visited or invaded. Plus, Caucasians (as a collective) have never been fair to people of color. Their own history verifies that most of them are uncomfortable around people who do not look like them.

It doesn’t matter what words are used to describe the attitude of whites when it comes to racism or prejudice, in the final analysis, their lack of corrective actions to remedy a dreadful setup for people of color is wrong. Within this EVIL setup are implanted the seeds for self-destruction for their wicked kind.

Communication between the races for hundreds of years have not improved the racial climate around the world. In fact, their attitude of racial supremacy has been constantly taught in schools, churches, and the workplace. The lack of guilt by many Caucasians is a cause for concern because it CLEARLY indicates a lack of a conscience when it comes to the needs of others. This WICKED mindset appears to be imbedded in their white supremacy teachings. As long as they maintain this lack of caring and sharing, social disruptions are not only imminent, but inevitable.

Geniuses aren't that MYOPIC!




thats a great post and its full of so much truth. The white race are the youngest in the human family, they are only something like coming up to 6'000 years old, so you hafe to understand the reality of this which is black folk are almost as old as the earth itself, meaning in the human family black folk are the perants and white folk are the children, thats why they are cold hearted its because they havent been on the earth long enough to understand how to best treat the world and humans. white folk are trying to rule the world but its laughable because a white person telling a black person what to do and how to treat the earth is like a child telling his father that he's the head of the home and he's gonna tell the father how to behave but the student never out grows the teacher and in order for the child to grow to its full potentail he must respect his perants and follow their teachings. Until whites in particular those in power humble themselves to this reality or until black folk decide to get angry and demand respect we will always have to witness white folks devilish actions

Your assertions are accurate and well worth the topic!

Is he a genious of the devil!!???

Sorry, I meant is he a genius or a the devil that lacks melanin, the substance that makes one spiritual and in tune with nature. Is he a parasitic termite that destroys all in his path. Is he incapable of understanding true spirituality, true Ma'at? Is he responsibile for the brutal murder of millions and millions of people during his reign? Is he responsible for destroying the ozone, the oceans, the rivers, the air we breath and water we drink? Is he a war mongering beast that only cares about money? He is a plagarizing, no talented thief, that can only imitate never create?

Okay, now, is he really genius. I don't think so. To me, evil people are not geniuses they are just plain evil!:mad: :explode: :maddd: :grin: :whip:

Sorry, I meant is he a genius or a the devil that lacks melanin, the substance that makes one spiritual and in tune with nature. Is he a parasitic termite that destroys all in his path. Is he incapable of understanding true spirituality, true Ma'at? Is he responsibile for the brutal murder of millions and millions of people during his reign? Is he responsible for destroying the ozone, the oceans, the rivers, the air we breath and water we drink? Is he a war mongering beast that only cares about money? He is a plagarizing, no talented thief, that can only imitate never create?

Okay, now, is he really genius. I don't think so. To me, evil people are not geniuses they are just plain evil!:mad: :explode: :maddd: :grin: :whip:

why is it that some of us spend so much energy venting on the evil nature of the white man without taking a closer look at our own role in our demise?? Some of us speak of slavery existing 400 years but what is the timeline that chrionicles this "fact"?? What were the internal contradictions existing within our own communities which the white man manipulated??

"Slavery" was not even legal in this country until 1690, then was "abolished in 1865. That is a time span of 175 years.

175 years!

In all the expanse of time, only 175 years.

The "Moors" occupied Europe for nearly 700 years!!!!!

400% longer "era"!

yet,....oh well.....:peace:

Is he a genious of the devil!!???

"He" was the creation of "yakub"...at least according to the NOI founders.

Who was "dr. yakub".....??!!

Why do we continue to blame the "grafted" devil rather that the Creator who grated the devil....??!!


this is something that has never been explained to me and time.....:time:

is running out..

I belive that we must first realize to be the first ones on the planet. We have to except resposiblility for the fact that we had to be the first ones to do negative or harmful things to each other and the world. We did not get along way before the creation of the weaker seed or the tamuhu or caucasian. This is evidenced by the battle between hours and set,slavery etc. We have a taste for power and greed which is one of the attributes our weaker seed got from us. Our own lust for power is what pushed us to trust them in the first place or take partership with them in order to defeat our own. Caucasians only have the strength that we give them. We need to stop making them the focal point of our demise and deal with the fact that we donot even feel comfortable shopping,politicing buliding etc without fear that one of us will get to successfull.

I belive that we must first realize to be the first ones on the planet. We have to except resposiblility for the fact that we had to be the first ones to do negative or harmful things to each other and the world. We did not get along way before the creation of the weaker seed or the tamuhu or caucasian. This is evidenced by the battle between hours and set,slavery etc. We have a taste for power and greed which is one of the attributes our weaker seed got from us. Our own lust for power is what pushed us to trust them in the first place or take partership with them in order to defeat our own. Caucasians only have the strength that we give them. We need to stop making them the focal point of our demise and deal with the fact that we donot even feel comfortable shopping,politicing buliding etc without fear that one of us will get to successfull.

:bullseye:

"Our own lust for power is what pushed us to trust them in the first place or take partnership with them in order to defeat our own."

And that is why we still got Condoleeza Rice representing the interests of zionism making black people in the us look like complete sell-outs to the international community.

Lust and one more thing......VANITY!


Peace....time for another "vacation"...lol!!

:car:

one word .........DEVIL

One question:

Who killed/kills nature?

It is very hard to believe that we started the 'madness' when it is US who are taking on the Characteristics of "yakub-boy." Eating his food, wearing his clothes, working his jobs to earn his dollars to pay rent in his apartments, watching his TV (even thought I don't watch that anymore! :lol:), treating his women better than we treat our own. Then the worst part is - rather than try and establish something for ourselves, we believe that becoming his 'Top Nukkas' is the key to our success! That or only through his help can we improve as a people. The second worst part is [Oh my Goodness] - we influence the young people to do the same!

It makes no sense to earn spend a life time working hard for you, but then giving your "rewards" back to him!

Bottom line is - we need to concentrate and focus on US, and what is better for US!

Sure Misery Loves Company, but know that Devil is as Devil as, and the Devil will always be the Devil.

KD

why is it that some of us spend so much energy venting on the evil nature of the white man without taking a closer look at our own role in our demise?? Some of us speak of slavery existing 400 years but what is the timeline that chrionicles this "fact"?? What were the internal contradictions existing within our own communities which the white man manipulated??

"Slavery" was not even legal in this country until 1690, then was "abolished in 1865. That is a time span of 175 years.

175 years!

In all the expanse of time, only 175 years.

The "Moors" occupied Europe for nearly 700 years!!!!!

400% longer "era"!

yet,....oh well.....:peace:

in a sense we never came out of slavery, the oppressor just changed it with a systematic and mental slavery, removing every black person off the face of the earth that would speak to our concern, thats not freedom, when you are told ina indirect way that you are not allowed to have your own powerbase and hafe to rely on a system that hates you thats not freedom in anyway

He can come up with a crazy notion like homosexuality and have people believing that that type of lifestyle should be tolerated.


You give him too much credit here... because homosexuality has been around for quite sometime... even in Africa... it just wasn't called homosexuality until someone came up with the notion that sex was only productive (right) when it was reproductive like in hetero-sex (but we all know that everyone does not have sex with the notion of reproducing so deeming hetero-sex correct and right on this premise becomes a flawed arguement and ironic to say the least) therefore any sex that isn't reproductive is illegitamate, wrong, blah blah and any sex done outside of marriage (an institution ultimately controlled by the state) is also illegitamate and is still on the books as being illegal in some states. Anyway, what I'm saying is... the category of homosexuality can only exist where there is an oppositional category, heterosexuality, and if neither existed and sex was sex, then these concepts wouldn't even be an issue. I do agree with you though, the white heteropatriarchy did come up with the crazy notion of homosexuality... d*** gays... always questioning the powers... the man... the state... they are the imbodiment of all that is wrong because we let someone else tell us what is right, and that person who told us what is right... is right. That lifestyle which goes in the exact opposite direction of what the man, the state wants out of its citizens... they stand in a place of power over the heteropatriarchy which we have deemed rightous because they don't follow his rules...

As far as the rest of your post... I don't think he's all that smart. His tactics don't change, he hasn't changed much either... I think we just give him the White Man too much time in our thought life instead of trying to redefine ourselves and find ways to exert power in places he says aren't for us like education which I think is a right, not a privilege, and when we start to reconceptualize issues like that and find ways to make them material, then we can start some revolutions.

I don't give them that much credit at all..I think they are an insecure group that makes up rules and laws to stay in power.We,as a people,need to be mindful of their ways.As long as we are all living here I think we should all study the white elitist mindset and come up with a plan againts it.Where ever they are week,we expliot it..Earlier, the author spoke of homosexuality..The elitist are all terrified of this because they know that they are not reproducing like all the peoples of color worldwide and losing power scares them.. They all know that if we drop some seeds,in a few generations they will be extinct.

:bullseye:

"Our own lust for power is what pushed us to trust them in the first place or take partnership with them in order to defeat our own."

And that is why we still got Condoleeza Rice representing the interests of zionism making black people in the us look like complete sell-outs to the international community.

Lust and one more thing......VANITY!


Peace....time for another "vacation"...lol!!

:car:

we mustr also remember the method which white folk used to bring us down, divide and conquer, and the way of deviding us was to capture africans and take them to european territories or territories outside africa and teach them to hate their origin and then put these captured aficans in their army and when they went to africa to bring it down they used these africans they brainwashed to help them capture other africans and make them slaves but the history books with this information are hardly ever open to the public

I don't give them that much credit at all..I think they are an insecure group that makes up rules and laws to stay in power.We,as a people,need to be mindful of their ways.As long as we are all living here I think we should all study the white elitist mindset and come up with a plan againts it.Where ever they are week,we expliot it..Earlier, the author spoke of homosexuality..The elitist are all terrified of this because they know that they are not reproducing like all the peoples of color worldwide and losing power scares them.. They all know that if we drop some seeds,in a few generations they will be extinct.

thats very accurate, everything you said is true but the best point you made was the word INSECURE its the very nature of white people because white is the weakest color in the family of colors, mix white with any color and the other color will stand out more. Another character of the color white is vanity because white is a artificial color, so a world thats lead by whites can never make people worship God it can only teach people to worship themselves but the color black character is secure and humble, when your humble you can lead the world and even give equal freedom and justice to those that dont look like you, when your secure you dont get jealous and decide to oppress those you are jealous of, showing that the black nation is the leader for the whole world

Well, the white man must be a genius, to have us Black folks up in arms over whether or not he IS a genius:rolleyes:.

Well, the white man must be a genius, to have us Black folks up in arms over whether or not he IS a genius:rolleyes:.
I think we all agree he's an idiot. A sociopathic, megalomaniacal idiot.
Unless I'm mistaken, we're just speaking on the substantiated opinion from different perspectives :)

You give him too much credit here... because homosexuality has been around for quite sometime... even in Africa... ... the category of homosexuality can only exist where there is an oppositional category, heterosexuality, and if neither existed and sex was sex, then these concepts wouldn't even be an issue.
And yes, we can safely give whitey all the credit for the creation of homosexuality. It is truly an original invention of his.
Sex as sex was heterosexual sex. But there was no need to delineate it as such bc to have same sex has never been fathomed before him.
Like Hip-Hop music and Rap music. Before Rap became music outside of Hip-Hop, there was no need to specify whether you meant Hip-Hop music or Rap music.
They were one and the same. The need to differentiate arose from the perversion of the music of culture. So now you have the perverted "music" and the natural music. The same as you have the perverted "sex" and the sexual intercourse of nature.

(But clearly this discussion has been harped on numerous times, so there's no need to discuss the ilk here).

why is it that some of us spend so much energy venting on the evil nature of the white man without taking a closer look at our own role in our demise?? Some of us speak of slavery existing 400 years but what is the timeline that chrionicles this "fact"?? What were the internal contradictions existing within our own communities which the white man manipulated??

"Slavery" was not even legal in this country until 1690, then was "abolished in 1865. That is a time span of 175 years.

175 years!

In all the expanse of time, only 175 years.

The "Moors" occupied Europe for nearly 700 years!!!!!


400% longer "era"!

yet,....oh well.....:peace:

when our scHolars refer to "400" years. they are including the cARRIBEAN S. AMERIKKKA AND JIM CROW. OF COURSE BLACKS PLAYED A ROLL IN SLAVERY AND COLIALISM. , JUST LIKE 2 DAY. YOU HAVE THE COLLIN POWELLS AND RICES OF THE WORLD, YOU HAVE THE JAN JAWEEDS, AND OTHER EVIL BRAINWASHEES OF THE WORLD. BUT JUST THEM ALONE COULD HARDLY STOP THE STRIDE. THE WHITE RACE IS ULTIMATLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL EVILS IN THE WORLD. INCLUDING THIS SCREWED UP WEATHER.

THERE ARE JEWS WHO SELL ARMS TO ARABS IN THE MID EAST, THERE ARE ARABS WHO WORK WITH JEWISH INTELIGENCE TO HELP SEEEK AND DESTROY ARAB MILITIAS. BUT YOU CANT BLAME THESE JEWISH SELL OUTS FOR THE HOLLOCAUST NOR ARABS FOR THEIR CONDITION. IF THEY WERE (ARABS) MORE UNITED WOULD ISRAEL BE RUNNING ISH OVER THERE? PROBABLY NOT, BUIT THAT DOESNT MEAN YOU BLAME THE VICTIM.

I think we all agree he's an idiot. A sociopathic, megalomaniacal idiot.
Unless I'm mistaken, we're just speaking on the substantiated opinion from different perspectives :)


And yes, we can safely give whitey all the credit for the creation of homosexuality. It is truly an original invention of his.
Sex as sex was heterosexual sex. But there was no need to delineate it as such bc to have same sex has never been fathomed before him.
Like Hip-Hop music and Rap music. Before Rap became music outside of Hip-Hop, there was no need to specify whether you meant Hip-Hop music or Rap music.
They were one and the same. The need to differentiate arose from the perversion of the music of culture. So now you have the perverted "music" and the natural music. The same as you have the perverted "sex" and the sexual intercourse of nature.

(But clearly this discussion has been harped on numerous times, so there's no need to discuss the ilk here).

brotha you make a good point, look at the difference between the evolution of hip hop in the east coast and the evolution of rap on the west coast. When the east started hip hop it was pure, it wasnt about how much people you shot or how many women you slept with, it was about reporting the condition of the black community or it was battling other mc's, when the west started rapping it became gangsta rap but why because the west coast is one of the places that suffered the most from government policies which included putting guns and drugs and other ills in the black neibourhoods of the west and thats why west coast rap was and in some cases still is like that. The positives in rap/hip hop came from black folk but the negatives came straight from the white establishment yet its these same whites who have the nerve to start arguments in court like ban rap but the truth is anything negative in rap came from them. A genius inst someone who would try and mix the the unnatural with the natural and then say to the public believe in this, this is what the white man trys to do when he legalises gay marriages, thats not a genius thats someone who is destroying ans disobeying Gods words, anyone who would disobey Gods words is not a genius but clearly a fool because when the wrath of Gods is finally put on them they are gonna wish they never deared disobey God in the first place. So to the black folks who feel this man is a genius i feel sorry for you and really any black person who feels that way is lost or suffering from a low self esteem or has no respect or appriciation from the community they come from, label a man a genius when this same man has caused black folk in particular blackmen so much undeserved suffering and in that state of thinking you offer yourself as a modern day house negro

They all know that if we drop some seeds,in a few generations they will be extinct.

Check your stats... colored people are the worlds majority. Just guess how many black people there are in Africa. As far as the reproducing thing, it's mythical to believe that gay couples can't or don't make babies. I'm not contending they make babies the hetero-conventional way but they have the parts to and there are more than enough children for all of us to adopt, raise, and make for the consumption and exploitation of capitalism.

(But clearly this discussion has been harped on numerous times, so there's no need to discuss the ilk here).
(I disagree.)

The same as you have the perverted "sex" and the sexual intercourse of nature.

If sex: man-man, woman-woman, woman-man all existed at the same time then how can you delinate any of them as "natural" and any other as "perverse"? I contend that the white (I should add: capitalist) hetero-patriarchy created the conception of homosexuality not the act of sex between same sex peoples because it is a threat to its very identity.

Natural? Existing or present in nature. Innate. Not aquired. Not assumed. If you believe one thing is natural, or a natural occurance, then everything is natural because of its very existence in "nature" makes it so. How can something that exists, that is real, that is felt within the human body, not be natural; natural of that thing which it comes from?

Murder, oppression, hate all occur naturally of the human body and the human experience and produce themselves materially--but you'd consider them perverse, or not of nature, right ? Why? Because you think they're bad. So anything you deem bad is not of nature. (Please don't take offense to that shot, I take credit for assuming things, but for argument's sake, it stays.)

And if you believe that nothing is not acquired or not assumed and that nothing is innate, nothing is ordinary, or normal, or inevitable but that which someone makes "natural" then... there allows for a lot more possibility of the things that you deem right and virtuous. You create spaces for experiences to be either/or... both/and...

Oh, and to get back on topic, I do think that the white man has successfully found ways in which to divide us, but more importantly, divide us across lines that we invest so much of our energy in maintaining for him (not a new tactic). Getting rid of those lines would open up possibilities for us all to learn and gain new experience and liberation from, but we can't quite convince each other to make an effort to take a different approach, see things in a way that does not keep each other from living full, automous and complete lives while listening to hip-hop and/or rap, while loving a man either as a woman or as a man, loving a woman either as a man or a woman; while rocking both Afros and our perms and loving those that hate us (the white man); while helping as many people as we can along the way.

[steps of soap box]

One Love... just one.
NDeep

I personally think you are confusing yourself in an attempt to validate an opinion to which you seem to have (for some reason) a recalcitrant emotional attachment.
Not unlike the "genius" in The Princess Bride who attempted to outwit the Dread Pirate Roberts but ended up killing himself by making the extremely simple extremely complicated (Please don't take offense to that shot, I also take credit for presuming things, but for argument's sake, it stays ;) ).

I've already suggested that this is hardly the place for the discussion, but I'll do my best to make it relevant to the post in mention.
Any mods should feel free to move this to the homosexual blah blah post (as if my suggestion was required :) ).

The most direct path between two points is a straight line. That having been stated, let's practice a bit of clarification:


If sex: man-man, woman-woman, woman-man all existed at the same time then how can you delinate any of them as "natural" and any other as "perverse"? I contend that the white (I should add: capitalist) hetero-patriarchy created the conception of homosexuality not the act of sex between same sex peoples because it is a threat to its very identity.

Natural? Existing or present in nature. Innate. Not aquired. Not assumed. If you believe one thing is natural, or a natural occurance, then everything is natural because of its very existence in "nature" makes it so. How can something that exists, that is real, that is felt within the human body, not be natural; natural of that thing which it comes from?

The white man was no more created by The Most High than the computer into which I am currently imputing information. Nothing that appeared (not evolved or involved) into existence 6000 years ago is natural. Similarly, where would you argue is the nature in putting a phallus inside of a man who also has a phallus. There is no part of a man’s natural physiology that is designed (yet again by nature) to accept any phallus at all. This is rudimentary, no? Or does it need to be covered with some intricate cross-stitched adornment to make it appear to be logical?

Murder, oppression, hate all occur naturally of the human body and the human experience and produce themselves materially--but you'd consider them perverse, or not of nature, right ? Why? Because you think they're bad. So anything you deem bad is not of nature.

Life and so-called death are certainly aspects of nature. Murder is merely one way that a Being can come about either of the two.
Hate is an emotion.
Oppression is a strategic consequence of emotion.
Emotions are but hints as to the desires of spirits.
What is bad for one may be considered great for another, so I don’t see where this point is even material. Regardless, it is by nature that we have the power to control such emotions. Many of us exist in the unnatural world/false reality created by thoughts of man. Not of The Most High. This is why it is by the will of spirits that such emotions control man. But again, this is off subject.

And if you believe that nothing is not acquired or not assumed and that nothing is innate, nothing is ordinary, or normal, or inevitable but that which someone makes "natural" then... there allows for a lot more possibility of the things that you deem right and virtuous. You create spaces for experiences to be either/or... both/and...
Again, respectfully, do you even know what you’re talking about? :)

Oh, and to get back on topic, I do think that the white man has successfully found ways in which to divide us, but more importantly, divide us across lines that we invest so much of our energy in maintaining for him (not a new tactic). Getting rid of those lines would open up possibilities for us all to learn and gain new experience and liberation from, but we can't quite convince each other to make an effort to take a different approach, see things in a way that does not keep each other from living full, automous and complete lives while listening to hip-hop and/or rap, while loving a man either as a woman or as a man, loving a woman either as a man or a woman; while rocking both Afros and our perms and loving those that hate us (the white man); while helping as many people as we can along the way.
If this were the consensus of the majority, I would bet dubs to donuts that we’re doomed. May The Most High forbid.

Oh yeah, back on topic. the white man does what he can in order to "survive." He has no connection to The Most High. He has no rules.
So something as simple as "put it in a woman you idiot" does not register as natural because he is without divine guidance. He does as he chooses to do.
Or, at most, as others would deem appropriate. But even that is rare.

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Originally Posted by spicybrown
Well, the white man must be a genius, to have us Black folks up in arms over whether or not he IS a genius.

I think we all agree he's an idiot. A sociopathic, megalomaniacal idiot.
Unless I'm mistaken, we're just speaking on the substantiated opinion from different perspectives


No argument here Mr. Sefirot. Thanks for the breakdown.

Proceed.:car:

Never claimed to be a "genius," nor is my logic all that complicated. I got my definition of natural from the dictionary and employed the either/or, both/and strategy in the end to clarify its meaning. I'm sorry it was complicated for you though.

I personally think you are confusing yourself in an attempt to validate an opinion to which you seem to have (for some reason) a recalcitrant emotional attachment.
This is argument, discoure, of course there is emotional attachment. You can't separate your emotions from much of anything let alone a discussion of held opinions. And for some reason I don't understand why it even matters to you, my "recalcitrant emotional attachment" except that I disagreed that you should be able to bring something up and not expect a response from someone who has diverging opinions--:zipit:--that's not discussion. Homosexuality was something stated by the thread starter, and I simply disagreed, then you disagreed, as did I... and thus we get: discussion.

The white man was no more created by The Most High than the computer into which I am currently imputing information. Nothing that appeared (not evolved or involved) into existence 6000 years ago is natural.
I find it hard to believe that you honestly believe that the world only began only 6000 years ago; so maybe I'm getting that wrong... please explain.
Check your dictionary for the definition of natural (the OED is my favorite)...

Anyway, according to you the Most High didn't create the white man... well did he manage to create Black people? You're taking a whole lot of credit from the Big Guy if you say he didn't create anything that appeared either before or after (because I don't get which one you're saying to be honest) the 6000 year mark. And does that mean that anything he didn't create is perverse, or unnatural... and if so is that computer an embodiment of all that is bad? Just asking.

There is no part of a man’s natural physiology that is designed (yet again by nature) to accept any phallus at all.
Obviously there is or there would be no male-male homosexual sex at all: the mouth (created by nature), the anus (again created by nature), the hands (also created by nature)... (hated to do that but...) Now whether or not that sits well with you, that's how it usually works, and regardless of whether or not that sits well with you, both men and women have been doing it this way and other ways of course for a long time, much longer than 6000 years. Sex as sex was all sex.

As for me arguing that something is natural... I would contend that not much of anything is completely "natural," everything is tampered with, everything is molded out of something by something. Maybe you didn't catch that in my last response. My deployment of the word is simply me using your rhetoric; however, as I use the word "natural" I use its OED definition not some completely abstracted, metadefinition that comes from I don't know where.

Life and so-called death
What is "so-called" about death? Everything lives once and dies once in this earth.

Murder is merely one way that a Being can come about either of the two.
I argue that a "Being" has the capacity to murder, therefore it is apart of a "Being's" nature (referring to the definiton of "nature" from the OED) regardless of whether or not they act on it.

Hate is an emotion.
Emotions begin in the body, they are built in, they are "natural" of the body

Oppression is a strategic consequence of emotion.
A consequence that is to felt in the body.

...it is by nature that we have the power to control such emotions.
Exactly. So if you control your hate, your fear, you won't lead to negative emotions felt in someone else that can then lead to that person's oppression.

Again, respectfully, do you even know what you’re talking about? :)
Very much so. :)

If this were the consensus of the majority, I would bet dubs to donuts that we’re doomed.
Being free, being liberated, the source of our demise? Yes...may the Most High forbid.

Oh yeah, back on topic. the white man does what he can in order to "survive." He has no connection to The Most High. He has no rules.
So something as simple as "put it in a woman you idiot" does not register as natural because he is without divine guidance. He does as he chooses to do.
Or, at most, as others would deem appropriate. But even that is rare.
We all do what we have to do to survive. Ask anyone not sitting in a ivory tower reading The Princess Bride what they're trying to do. Ask me what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to survive, and maybe live my life outside of boxes that people try to force me into. Boxes that require conformitiy to norms that I didn't even get a hand in formulating. Boxes of feminitity, of spirituality, of sexuality, of Blackness... I'm trying to throw them boxes away while you want to reinforce them with steel.

Note: I don't think you knew this because of that last quote there, but you and the white man agree on this topic of homosexuality. There are a few liberal whites that would think you are crazy but the vast majority of the white capitalist hetero-patriarch, the WASP, agree whole heartedly with what you're saying because like I said before, gays are a threat to their identity, gays don't fit into the mold, they subvert the power dynamic that is in place (this is the reason why conservative, protestant whites are leading the way to ban gay marriage). Anyway, this is one of those areas where the white man and the Black community (for the most part) stand in a place of agreement. Hope you and the white man can find other places of coalition so you can both raise your fists proudly to proclaim and protect that stuff I like to call... white power.

One Love,
NDeep

May you prosper and be enlightened on your path.
Peace be unto you.

No argument here Mr. Sefirot. Thanks for the breakdown.

Proceed.:car:
"Girl, staahhhp" :)

blackfolks,most of us know that the caucasion is no smarter than the black,but he had a head start as far as planning ahead because of slavery-segregation ect,while we were and are still fighting for equality he has his scientist working on ways to stay ahead of us,while we may plan one year at a time he has already planned for the next fifteen to twenty five yrs,don't believe me then listen up,those of you who are old enough to remember the riots of 68 when dr.king was killed if you lived in the inner city and saw the destruction of the black shopping districts and before the fires got ANYWHERE NEAR the white areas the law moved in and stopped it,and look and those areas today[mostly whites moving in to those areas]my point being they were thinking about taking those areas BACK THEN and even as far back as NOV.22,1963 because he saw the handwriting on the wall as wasn't gonna have it,it's a chess game and most of us[blacks]are just learning how to play.

"Girl, staahhhp" :)


LOL...you fuddy duddy. I wasn't looking for one of "those" debates with you. Ok, I shall cease;). Ta ta.

His evilness goes waaaaay further back than slavery. It is all about Ma'at and melanin. If one reads "The Destruction of Black Civilization" by Dr.,. Chancellor Williams, he summarizes tht it was not we who lusted for power it was our kindness and love of people that got us into trouble with these non-melanin people. Just like the Native people of amerikkka, their kindness and love got them in trouble the same way.

So I do not agree with those who say that we had evil intentions in the beginning because that is furthest from the truth.

The Yacub story may have a little truth in it, because I was reading on a website that they just discovered the gene that accounts for white skin.

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/ancientafrica.html

That gene very well could have been singled out back in the day. Nevertheless, they are genuises at being the most satanic creatures on earth and we are genuises of being the most forgiving and kind people on earth, thus here we are today.

The problem is that it is so difficult for us to break free from living with and acting like these devils because they have us under their thumbs and although we are the most kindest and loving people, we are also so exhausted from trying to be right when wrong and eviil consumes us everyday of our lives. Hell most of us can't break away when we try so hard to do so.

We are the most spiritual, the most loving of God, yet even at that, we are self-hating and sick because we are following a religious paradigm that they created. So in Jesus's name we still do evil to one another because Jesus is a white man and so is his father as Muhammad is a white man and so were his relatives. It is a vicious cycle.

Solution:
Get down with Ma'at, learn about it,study it, embrace it,be with people who believe in it. The ancient spiritual system of our people is are only way out of this self-destruction spiral. Start with "Spriitual Warriors are Healers" by Brother Mfundishi Salim. Look it up on Google. Invite him to speak to your group. Get other books by great African scholars who wrote about our ancient spiritual systems. Join study groups and learn all you can. Turn off the television and go into your own world after dealing with the devil's world during the day at you jobs and whereever. Try your hardest to find peace within yourselves through the spritual system that was left for us, and that last for thousands of years before it was destroyed by the devils we live among today.

His evilness goes waaaaay further back than slavery. It is all about Ma'at and melanin. If one reads "The Destruction of Black Civilization" by Dr.,. Chancellor Williams, he summarizes tht it was not we who lusted for power it was our kindness and love of people that got us into trouble with these non-melanin people. Just like the Native people of amerikkka, their kindness and love got them in trouble the same way.

So I do not agree with those who say that we had evil intentions in the beginning because that is furthest from the truth.

The Yacub story may have a little truth in it, because I was reading on a website that they just discovered the gene that accounts for white skin.

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/ancientafrica.html

That gene very well could have been singled out back in the day. Nevertheless, they are genuises at being the most satanic creatures on earth and we are genuises of being the most forgiving and kind people on earth, thus here we are today.

The problem is that it is so difficult for us to break free from living with and acting like these devils because they have us under their thumbs and although we are the most kindest and loving people, we are also so exhausted from trying to be right when wrong and eviil consumes us everyday of our lives. Hell most of us can't break away when we try so hard to do so.

We are the most spiritual, the most loving of God, yet even at that, we are self-hating and sick because we are following a religious paradigm that they created. So in Jesus's name we still do evil to one another because Jesus is a white man and so is his father as Muhammad is a white man and so were his relatives. It is a vicious cycle.

Solution:
Get down with Ma'at, learn about it,study it, embrace it,be with people who believe in it. The ancient spiritual system of our people is are only way out of this self-destruction spiral. Start with "Spriitual Warriors are Healers" by Brother Mfundishi Salim. Look it up on Google. Invite him to speak to your group. Get other books by great African scholars who wrote about our ancient spiritual systems. Join study groups and learn all you can. Turn off the television and go into your own world after dealing with the devil's world during the day at you jobs and whereever. Try your hardest to find peace within yourselves through the spritual system that was left for us, and that last for thousands of years before it was destroyed by the devils we live among today.


These are GREAT suggestions!

This was a good read....interesting points made, valuable info! :toast:

why is it that some of us spend so much energy venting on the evil nature of the white man without taking a closer look at our own role in our demise?? Some of us speak of slavery existing 400 years but what is the timeline that chrionicles this "fact"?? What were the internal contradictions existing within our own communities which the white man manipulated??

"Slavery" was not even legal in this country until 1690, then was "abolished in 1865. That is a time span of 175 years.

175 years!

In all the expanse of time, only 175 years.

The "Moors" occupied Europe for nearly 700 years!!!!!

400% longer "era"!

yet,....oh well.....:peace:


Here's a timeline on slavery brother-Hotep

http://www.brycchancarey.com/slavery/chrono2.htm

Here's a timeline on slavery brother-Hotep

http://www.brycchancarey.com/slavery/chrono2.htm


Great info! :toast:

Great info! :toast:


Your always welcome sister, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER:)

^^^^Yes, it is!



And...."Intelligence is the Torch of Wisdom!" :em2300:

It is late and I am just sitting here thinking **** the white man is something else.
He can walk into a country push the natives out and claim the land as his own.
He can enslave our people the set us free and have us so brainwashed that we cant live without the products that he profits from.
He can come up with a crazy notion like homosexuality and have people believing that that type of lifestyle should be tolerated.
He can make it so that we have to go $100,000 in debt to go to college and learn nothing or feel inadequate if we dont do so.
This is a hell of a guy.
But then I think. Where else can I go. Conditions arent much better in the land of my ancestors.
there is nothing wise about evil acts.

Goebbels said the greatest act of propaganda is to get someone to think they are living in heaven , when they are living in hell,

So we look at a corporate, war oriented oligarchy as heaven


and places were we are the majority as in the Carribbean, and Africa, as hell

It is late and I am just sitting here thinking **** the white man is something else.
He can walk into a country push the natives out and claim the land as his own.
He can enslave our people the set us free and have us so brainwashed that we cant live without the products that he profits from.
He can come up with a crazy notion like homosexuality and have people believing that that type of lifestyle should be tolerated.
He can make it so that we have to go $100,000 in debt to go to college and learn nothing or feel inadequate if we dont do so.
This is a hell of a guy.
But then I think. Where else can I go. Conditions arent much better in the land of my ancestors.

Many here took your post rather literally. But, I took it as being riddled with sarcasm.

Many here took your post rather literally. But, I took it as being riddled with sarcasm.
I find nothing funny or ironic about how millions of Black folks feel about actualy living in the continent of our ancestors, and the brothers post expresses those millions of sentiments

^^^^Yes, it is!



And...."Intelligence is the Torch of Wisdom!" :em2300:


Yes indeed!