Hello Everyone,

It has been suggested that Christianity is under attack, an avid attack, in this forum. My question is sincere, as I have not seen this and would like the opinions of those who frequent here to share what your perception is, regarding this topic.

My whole mind-set, in creating this forum, was to provide a place where everyone is welcome, where none are set up and/or apart, a place of inclusion if you will. In the description for this forum, no mention of any faith/religion is made and those who don't believe at all are encouraged to participate. Well aware that there are many different religions and faiths, it was my hope that this forum, "Spirituality and Religion," would allow us to remove some of the barriers. Barriers, in my opinion, that has kept us from sharing, together, the things we believe individually.

I do recognize there are an overwhelming number of posts regarding Islam, but I thought that was simply because Members chose to share that information. I don't think posting one's belief/questions, in and of itself, implies an attack on other faiths and religions. Am I wrong?

Am I being naive? Is Christianity being attacked here (or anyone's faith, religion, sexual preference, color, etc.) and I don't even see it? Would you prefer having separate forums for all different faiths, religions and denominations?

Looking forward to your responses.

Destee

I didn't know it was that serious. I haven't seen anything that so incriminating.. only educating. So if someone complains about posting of other religions.. giving them a broader view on things.. and they choose to keep a closed mind.. Well thats not our problem... I'm ready to learn!!!!

I like the way you handle things though!! Momma Destee!!! Keep up the great work!!!

Shaneak

Thank you Shaneak for responding.

I was hoping I'd get some responses from those who felt it is being attacked (though I do appreciate your response, don't get me wrong!).

Religion is probably one of the most difficult topics to discuss publicly, as most everyone feels passionately about theirs and may oftentimes be conversing with those of opposing views.

Anyway ... this forum is about discussion and as long as we do it with respect and decency ... I don't have a problem with it.

Destee

Thanks Kemetstry, Sherykah and Shaneak for responding.

I was hoping I'd get some responses from those who felt it is being attacked (though I do appreciate you all responding too, don't get me wrong!).

Religion is probably one of the most difficult topics to discuss publicly, as most everyone feels passionately about theirs and may oftentimes be conversing with those of opposing views.

Anyway ... this forum is about discussion and as long as we do it with respect and decency ... I don't have a problem with it.

Destee

This forum does appear to be dominated by Islamic and Egyptian beliefs. However, that's because a Christian might feel intimidated about posting in this atomosphere for fear of being drawn into senseless debates. There's just something about the name Jesus, that brings a rise out of some people like you would not believe. If you shake a hornet's nest you are bound to be stung even if you shook it unintentionally.

But then as you said, as long as everyone treat each other with respect, everyone should be able to get along. I've been in a heated/friendly discussion with :argue: Sekhemu but we respected each other...thus I do believe if I lived in his city, he would take me out for a cup of coffee. We've agreed to disagree and still remain on speaking terms...at least for now anyway...you know how fickle men can be sometimes. :roll:

Yall get an Amen Choir on this one. I aint Christian but I feel ya.

I don't know if christianity is being attacked, but I do think it's being challenged. Many brothas and sistahs have come to the realization that our ancestors are very important to us, and that their own traditional beliefs were stripped away from them.

Moreover, there has been a thorough indoctrination of blacks on the parts of whites to embrace a religion based on their(white) interpretatio. Hence in most black churches we find a white Jesus. So that when many of the people on this board he're Jesus, it conjures....no pun intended, an image of a white man. To me this image represents an archetype of racial superiority. An image burned into the minds of black people since slavery.

I don't know if christianity is being attacked, but I do think it's being challenged. Many brothas and sistahs have come to the realization that our ancestors are very important to us, and that their own traditional beliefs were stripped away from them.

Moreover, there has been a thorough indoctrination of blacks on the parts of whites to embrace a religion based on their(white) interpretatio. Hence in most black churches we find a white Jesus. So that when many of the people on this board he're Jesus, it conjures....no pun intended, an image of a white man. To me this image represents an archetype of racial superiority. An image burned into the minds of black people since slavery.

You made some very strong points on how many blacks feel about christianity. This to me, is especially sad because Jesus was not a white man but a man of color. How could He have lived among Egyptians for 3 years, in hiding if He had been a white man? He and His parents (Mary & Joseph) would have easily been discovered and returned to Herod for torment and death. Here in America the Egyptians are portrayed as white people along with their white Jesus. A study of Egyptian history proves otherwise, yet programs like National Geographic will continue to portray these great people as caucasians :uhoh: . Whites are a people that MUST have everything look like them or close to them in order to accept it. I wonder how many whites would still love Jesus Christ if they found out He was black.

Unfortunately, many blacks will never know that the Egyptian people were NEVER white people but black people. They will never know that most of the people in the bible are black people. Many don't even realize that Israel is part of the continent of Africa. The white man wants the world to believe, he "fathered" civilization in the land of Africa...how unfortunate that so many blacks are turning away from something (the bible) that they have such rich history in...very unfortunate. But for those :grouphug: who have look past the barriers of race to embrace the truth which in and of itself bears no color, salvation through Jesus :jumping: (no matter what His color) is not nor ever will be in vain or in chains.

Joyce

I Don't Feel As If Any Religion Is Being Attack . I Enjoy Reading About Diffrent Culture / Religion, This Is The Only Way One Can OverStand Other Culture / Religion / Belief . For I Reads El' Holy Torah And El's Holy Quraan And The Dead Sea Scroll Etc.. To Have A Better OverStanding Of Ones Belief ..To OverStand The Almighty Is To OverStand The Positive And Negative Of Every Individual ; You Cannot Love The Creator If You Do Not Accept The Postive And Negative In Every Individual ; You Are Not Applying The Principle Of The Creator In You . Because Obviously He Accepts The Good AndBad From Us . Can I Get A Amen / Ameen :read:

Amen and Ameen both....


Much Peace,
Akilah :peace:

Am I being naive? Is Christianity being attacked here (or anyone's faith, religion, sexual preference, color, etc.) and I don't even see it? Would you prefer having separate forums for all different faiths, religions and denominations?

i see some "attacks" and challenges to Christianity, Islam, "Traditional African Beliefs" and others posted here and i love it. Separate forums would not have the same educating effect. This is a great forum, not for the easily offended, nor the ones basking in the thought that their particular way is the only way or the superior way.....i admit that some of the contributions are way too verbose for me and some way over my head and i just don't read them or under nor over stand them......and i add, many of them i just our right disagree with.....

The forum is perfect the way it is for me....and my curiosities and my seeking to better myself in my "way of life", Religion and my quest to better see where we came from, where we are now and what the future holds.....

Destee, thanks to you and to all the contributors, both the arrogant ones and the humble ones the ones who think they've got all the answers and salvation sewed up through whatever means and the ones who seek to go upon the straight path......

i've been blessed to get educated here about some things i would have had to have labored longer and harder to find and perhaps would have missed altogether or had to pay a "pretty penny" for...

This is a marvelous university setting...................


Peace and Blessings

I haven't seen any attacks, per se (in the short time that I've been here), but I do see challenges being made. It's all natural, though. People question what they do not agree with. The basic mindset of most of us seems to be "Convince me. Show me proof." I'm a student of comparative religion, anyway, so all of this is fascinating to me.

I'm new here myself....I think the reason some chritians may feel christianity is under attack is the simple fact that this is the reverse of most black message bords. Normally the majority are Christian and that can lead to lashing out at non-Christians. They may simply be fearing reprisals from those situations. This seems to be a very non-confrontational board so far. Just good debate. I am not heavy into religion at all but will reccomend this place to a freind who is!!

I am a Christian and have a great love for the truth. I also believe that the wicked one, satan, finds ways to cause strife and discord among people and one way is through religion.

I do not accept Islam and never will. That is my right. There are things that I do not agree with and I hate for things to come down to arguments and attacks.

There are many Muslims on my job. Basically we are there to work. I have been invited to attend Muslim services but declined. There is only one walk for me and that is being a Christian. And I respect a person's right to choose their faith, but I do not like the attacks against Christianity by some blacks in which it is called "the white man's religion". The white man doesn't have a thing to do with what I believe. I do not have any pictures or refuse to buy any books deplicting a white Jesus, especially him with long hair and feminine looks.

It does not matter to me the color of Christ's skin when he was on earth. I don't waste my time in research and debates over this issue. Those melanin topics I avoid, because I feel that blacks are trying to promote superiority, and from the things I've learned, God made us ALL in his image. So no race is superior over the other and we need to get this out of our mind.

We are taught that God is no respecter of person. He don't care about your skin color, your bank account, your accomplishments, etc...you are nothing but a mere speck.

I've been taught to love people. And there are Christians from every racial background. To hate a white person is to hate a white sister or brother in Christ. I'm aware of the history, but I don't live in the past. I'm looking forward to the day when there will be total peace and plan to be a part of it.

I question how some Muslims are mean and violent, like the ones we are fighting against. And then I know some Muslims who are peaceful. Also, some who call themselves Christians, their despicable acts. What comes to mind is the way the Iraqi prisoners have been treated. There was one person who called himself a Christian, but he felt that he was more compelled to obey the orders of his superior officer than God. The Muslims are showing this as if to say "Now, this is what Christians do; they are sex perverts, etc."

I do not feel embarrassed by so called Christians like these. They do not represent me. In the bible, we are told that not everyone who says Lord, Lord will inherit His kingdom. God knows who belongs to Him.

We also have some preachers who have gained great wealth from cheating and trickery. God knows who they are and he will deal with them. God knows about the preachers who say one thing and do just the opposite. And He knows what those soldiers were doing to those prisoners and if the law of the land doesn't handle it properly, He is the Final Judge.

Sometimes there is an inner war among Christians. Some Christians attack others. Nothing was more discouraging to me than a woman making snide remarks about the slit in my skirt and what was the proper length for a slit. Also, she offered to sew my slits together. In other words, she was trying to dress me in a way that she would approve.

We also have those Christians who think salvation is based on works. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe in salvation based on field service, meeting attendance and how many magazines you place. Yet, some of them have mistreated other brothers and sisters if they think that person is not doing as much as them.

There are all these denominations in Christianity. They have 1,001 manmade rules so to speak, but none of them have anything to do with the truth.

God takes us at face value. He accepts us individually. The actions of others can reflect on the whole body of Christians, but God judges us individually.

I do not know a lot about Islam, but I know enough that I don't wish to convert. This is just an honest admission and was not meant to be offensive. And a Muslim has the right to say that he or she do not wish to convert to Christianity.

The way I follow is true and real because I've been blessed so many times by God. I have peace and love for others. I cannot bear hatred for the white people because my God is one of LOVE. There are people who I'm not overly fond of because of their actions, but that includes just as many blacks.

God has blessed me in so many ways because I put my trust in Him and not in any man. When it comes down to my employment, it is Him I trust for a job.

Through Christ, I'm a free woman. I can have whatever I wish that's in the Father's will. And no white man or woman can stop me from having things. That's why I speak strongly when some of us feel that whites are superior to us or some feel that they can't have this or that "because the white man don't want me to have it". This is not the teaching in Christianity.

When we speak these negative words, they will become true. If I felt that the white woman didn't want me to have a nice job or home, I would be defeated and act on that. I wouldn't try to work at certain places because "the white man doesn't want me there". Christianity has freed me from that thinking. And I've seen the results of it.

Christianity has shown me that we are not in a battle with the white man. We are in battle with evil spirit forces. And in the end, those forces will be destroyed (Satan and his demons).

Therefore, my love of God prevents me from getting into the debates about melanin, etc. Because in the end, melanin will not protect one from His wrath. We should be more focused on betterment of our lives, protecting our children, and respecting our fellow humans. Even if we have melanin, we still get sick. Melanin is not stopping one for getting HIV/AIDS.

Black people, we do not need to feed into these topics to make ourselves superior. God knows our struggles and only HE will give relief. If we keep on with the separatist attitudes, He cannot bless us.

I view myself as a beautiful human who happens to be descendant from the black race. I don't need the approval or acceptance of man.

Sometimes people leave Christianity for the way they were treated. I've been treated badly by socalled Christians, but like I said above, God knows who belongs to Him. Not everyone with that title of Christian will inherit His Kingdom.

I respect the rights of others, but I do not wish them to try to force their beliefs on me and likewise I do the same. I do not get into the bible thumping mode. If you ask me questions, you get answers, but I don't force myself on anyone.

I have been told, "don't talk religion to me" especially when I was reading my bible or Christian books during breaktime.

I will continue to be the best I can be and bear no malice towards anyone.

Excellent post...

Much Thanks,
Akilah :spinstar:

This forum has been more positive than other groups that I was in. I've been in forums where Christians were attacked brutally and it was just a literal "bloodbath" in there.

There are sensitive topics in here, but I try not to get offended. I believe we should accept others right to worship as they please or to marry or date whomever. I don't agree with same-sex relationships, but I will not stop anyone from doing so just like I wouldn't dare interfere with a Muslim's or Buddhist's right to their worship.

We can disagree but respect each other.

This forum has been more positive than other groups that I was in. I've been in forums where Christians were attacked brutally and it was just a literal "bloodbath" in there.

There are sensitive topics in here, but I try not to get offended. I believe we should accept others right to worship as they please or to marry or date whomever. I don't agree with same-sex relationships, but I will not stop anyone from doing so just like I wouldn't dare interfere with a Muslim's or Buddhist's right to their worship.

We can disagree but respect each other.

Amen Sista...Agree to disagree. When looking at some of the titles to some of the threads here at this forum, you would think that people are on some kind of "Jesus hating" frenzy here. Just in counting, I counted over 50 (there's more) threads with some type of negativity towards Christianity...not Budda or Jehovah's Witnesses but Christianity...hmmm. Now I could post a 1000 posts a week in defense, but why should I??? Christ is Almighty and He definitely doesn't need me to defend Him. If He can bear with them a little while longer, why shouldn't I??? So I defend my FAITH in Him instead.

I don't know if christianity is being attacked, but I do think it's being challenged. Many brothas and sistahs have come to the realization that our ancestors are very important to us, and that their own traditional beliefs were stripped away from them.

Moreover, there has been a thorough indoctrination of blacks on the parts of whites to embrace a religion based on their(white) interpretatio. Hence in most black churches we find a white Jesus. So that when many of the people on this board he're Jesus, it conjures....no pun intended, an image of a white man. To me this image represents an archetype of racial superiority. An image burned into the minds of black people since slavery.

That image is NOT burned into my mind and I can speak for many other black people. This is YOUR way of attacking Christianity and you know it!

I don't care about Islam and I don't take time to read about it because in my heart I know that my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ lives! I've read some things about Islam that convinced me it is not for me. And there is no way, even under the sentence of putting me to death, that I would ever renounce Jesus.

I have NEVER seen Jesus. I would assume that he was not Caucasian. And even if He was, He is still my Lord and Savior.

This is one thing that non-Christians bring up. And why do you still reflect on slavery? According to my calendar it's 2004 and not 1804. Slavery is over! (Well, the African Muslims are still enslaving people in Africa, but in the US I have the right to work wherever I please. I can live wherever and shop wherever. There is no "white's only" water fountains and establishments, unless you are in KKK territory. And those sorry fools - I wouldn't want to drink in their areas - they are so full of hate).

In Christ I am FREE. No white man prevents me from having what I want. The sad thing is that black people are conditioned to be victims. Well, this black woman is a VICTOR. And there is no picture in my home or at my church deplicting Christ in any form. No "Last Supper" painting and also it's not in my bible.

So, Sekhemu, where did you come up with the statement about black churches?

That image is NOT burned into my mind and I can speak for many other black people. This is YOUR way of attacking Christianity and you know it!

I don't care about Islam and I don't take time to read about it because in my heart I know that my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ lives! I've read some things about Islam that convinced me it is not for me. And there is no way, even under the sentence of putting me to death, that I would ever renounce Jesus.

I have NEVER seen Jesus. I would assume that he was not Caucasian. And even if He was, He is still my Lord and Savior.

This is one thing that non-Christians bring up. And why do you still reflect on slavery? According to my calendar it's 2004 and not 1804. Slavery is over! (Well, the African Muslims are still enslaving people in Africa, but in the US I have the right to work wherever I please. I can live wherever and shop wherever. There is no "white's only" water fountains and establishments, unless you are in KKK territory. And those sorry fools - I wouldn't want to drink in their areas - they are so full of hate).

In Christ I am FREE. No white man prevents me from having what I want. The sad thing is that black people are conditioned to be victims. Well, this black woman is a VICTOR. And there is no picture in my home or at my church deplicting Christ in any form. No "Last Supper" painting and also it's not in my bible.

So, Sekhemu, where did you come up with the statement about black churches?
If you think I'm attacking your religion, then perhaps you have a thin skin and believe religion is above criticism. Nor did I say this image was "burnt" lol into your mind.

Where are you coming from with this diatribe about Islam and muslims, talk to Aqil about that, 'cause I'm not muslim :)

Why do I and others reflect on slavery? That's a very interesting question, particuliarly when It comes from black christians. Nobody ever ask jews why they commemorate the passover. A tradition that they've practiced for over 3000 years. Yet black and white christians will tell black people to forget about slavery! hmmmmmm!

So if jews aren't going to forget what happened to them why should I forget what happen to my people.

Where did I come up with this statement about black churches? from Experience. Grew up in the black church!

But I ain't mad atcha :grouphug:

Sure christianity is being attacked. Because if you are a christian like I am than you know there is no comprising the truth. There is the truth and there are lies. This is what the nonbeliever hates about christians, our unwillingness not to give in to someone's misguided and unsubstantiated notions from some ancient esoteric or dead cult for the sake of venting hostility to make up for their inadequecies or in the name of tolerance. True christians understand their source and know it can never be man made. True christians stand on the truth boldly yet with humility. True christians have the vision of discernment to see the enemy coming from it's origin. True christians know that the sons of Ismael were not the promised of God but were created by a Mother and Father who momentarily lost their faith and patiences in God and thought they could solve their dilemma by man made means. True christians know the sons of Ismael have God's favor. True christian know that the sons of Egypt were a blessed people who knew the God of Abram but turned the faces away from God and were severely punished but had it not been for Ismael would have been completely wiped out. True christians know that Jesus knew the sons of Isaac would not accept him and would seek to have him destroyed yet the sons of Isaac still have Gods favor. True christians know that the sons of the orient would follow an eloquent leader who would ultimately never found enlightenment. True christians follow the first commandment. True christians know the time they tried to conquer the world by means of force. In doing so christians have enslaved, conquered, killed, raped, plundered, lied and committed every possible sin in the name of God and Jesus. A true christian knows he is a sinner an must be in constant repentance. True christians are not afraid to speak the truth even if it's about themselves. There is no polite way to tell the truth this is why so many people hate christians, because so many people can face the truth.

Peace

Radical Faith

Sure christianity is being attacked. Because if you are a christian like I am than you know there is no comprising the truth. There is the truth and there are lies. This is what the nonbeliever hates about christians, our unwillingness not to give in to someone's misguided and unsubstantiated notions from some ancient esoteric or dead cult for the sake of venting hostility to make up for their inadequecies or in the name of tolerance. True christians understand their source and know it can never be man made. True christians stand on the truth boldly yet with humility. True christians have the vision of discernment to see the enemy coming from it's origin. True christians know that the sons of Ismael were not the promised of God but were created by a Mother and Father who momentarily lost their faith and patiences in God and thought they could solve their dilemma by man made means. True christians know the sons of Ismael have God's favor. True christian know that the sons of Egypt were a blessed people who knew the God of Abram but turned the faces away from God and were severely punished but had it not been for Ismael would have been completely wiped out. True christians know that Jesus knew the sons of Isaac would not accept him and would seek to have him destroyed yet the sons of Isaac still have Gods favor. True christians know that the sons of the orient would follow an eloquent leader who would ultimately never found enlightenment. True christians follow the first commandment. True christians know the time they tried to conquer the world by means of force. In doing so christians have enslaved, conquered, killed, raped, plundered, lied and committed every possible sin in the name of God and Jesus. A true christian knows he is a sinner an must be in constant repentance. True christians are not afraid to speak the truth even if it's about themselves. There is no polite way to tell the truth this is why so many people hate christians, because so many people can face the truth.

Peace

Radical Faith


THis is almost laughable. last time I checked it was the native american who suffered an almost copplete genocide.... at the hands of christians. So much for God loves everyone

Sure christianity is being attacked. Because if you are a christian like I am than you know there is no comprising the truth. There is the truth and there are lies. This is what the nonbeliever hates about christians, our unwillingness not to give in to someone's misguided and unsubstantiated notions from some ancient esoteric or dead cult for the sake of venting hostility to make up for their inadequecies or in the name of tolerance. True christians understand their source and know it can never be man made. True christians stand on the truth boldly yet with humility. True christians have the vision of discernment to see the enemy coming from it's origin. True christians know that the sons of Ismael were not the promised of God but were created by a Mother and Father who momentarily lost their faith and patiences in God and thought they could solve their dilemma by man made means. True christians know the sons of Ismael have God's favor. True christian know that the sons of Egypt were a blessed people who knew the God of Abram but turned the faces away from God and were severely punished but had it not been for Ismael would have been completely wiped out. True christians know that Jesus knew the sons of Isaac would not accept him and would seek to have him destroyed yet the sons of Isaac still have Gods favor. True christians know that the sons of the orient would follow an eloquent leader who would ultimately never found enlightenment. True christians follow the first commandment. True christians know the time they tried to conquer the world by means of force. In doing so christians have enslaved, conquered, killed, raped, plundered, lied and committed every possible sin in the name of God and Jesus. A true christian knows he is a sinner an must be in constant repentance. True christians are not afraid to speak the truth even if it's about themselves. There is no polite way to tell the truth this is why so many people hate christians, because so many people can face the truth.

Peace

Radical Faith

Just a few questions--

What's the opposite of a true Christian, a false one?

What is the difference between a true Christian and a Christian?

Do you think that ALL nonbelievers in Jesus "hate" Christians? If so, what's your proof?

How do you know the difference between the truth and a lie?

Can you provide me with an example of an "esoteric or dead cult"?

How does a "true" Christian stand on the truth boldly yet with humility? Can you provide me with an example of this in discussions that are taking place in this thread?

What is the first commandment that "true" Christians follow and did you bear witness to all of them doing this?

Can you provide me with examples of "true" Christians being in constant repentence and for what?

Do you know for a fact that "true" Christians aren't afraid to speak the truth, even about themselves?

Why do you believe there is no "polite" way to tell the truth?

Why do you believe that Christians are hated because of someone's inability to face the truth?

No disrespect is intended by my questions only my meager attempt at seeking a deeper understanding behind your words.

Peace,
Queenie :spinstar:

THis is almost laughable. last time I checked it was the native american who suffered an almost copplete genocide.... at the hands of christians. So much for God loves everyone

Oh brother! Indians suffered tragically under the hand of greedy white men. God's love did not play a part in their horrendous acts. My goodness!

Christian = My God Is Bigger And Better Than You God , And If You Don't Believe Accept My So - Called Truth Your Not Save And Your Going To Burn In The Lake Of Fire . <<< Now This Part Is Really Funny >
Christian = Fear Of Being Question , Fear Of Knowing The Real Story .
Christian = Know Nothing Of The Language Of There Socalled God Yashua , Oh Sorry Jesus ..
Nubian Christian = Willing To Accepting A 2000 Years Religion That Was Giving To Them By There Slave Master , And Give Of 1000's Years Of Their True History / Culture , And Will Attack Any Of The Nubians Brother & Sister Here In The West For There Slave Master Religion Call Christianity .
Sure Christianity Is Being Attack <<<<<< Laughinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg gggggggggggggg :cry:

Oh brother! Indians suffered tragically under the hand of greedy white men. God's love did not play a part in their horrendous acts. My goodness!


Yes greedy white men who forced their ways and religion on those that were not eliminated. The same white men that forced us to pray like they did, but refuse to teach us how to read their religions book called the bible during slavery

Oh brother! Indians suffered tragically under the hand of greedy white men. God's love did not play a part in their horrendous acts. My goodness!


Joyce, NNQueen asked a few very interesting questions, Do you intend to answer them. You are a christian, correct?

Yes greedy white men who forced their ways and religion on those that were not eliminated. The same white men that forced us to pray like they did, but refuse to teach us how to read their religions book called the bible during slavery


I concur with this statement here. No argument. How unfortunate that this is indeed true.


~j

...overcoming atrocities of the past and moving on.

Joyce, NNQueen asked a few very interesting questions, Do you intend to answer them. You are a christian, correct?

Please note...Queen asked Radical those questions because of statements made by him. I did not make those statements so why should I jump in and start answering to them.

I have no problem answering questions that are posed to me as YOU well know. However, I do not get in other people's Kool Aid unless dey po me up some of it. Moreover, don't be asking me if I am a Christian. You know what I am and what I stand for.


~j

...Not wanting no Kool Aid...just your french vanilla Latte please. :thanks:

Please note...Queen asked Radical those questions because of statements made by him. I did not make those statements so why should I jump in and start answering to them.

I have no problem answering questions that are posed to me as YOU well know. However, I do not get in other people's Kool Aid unless dey po me up some of it. Moreover, don't be asking me if I am a Christian. You know what I am and what I stand for.


~j

...Not wanting no Kool Aid...just your french vanilla Latte please. :thanks:

Figures :coffee:

My GOD (no pun intended), How did I miss this thread????

Figures :coffee:

Thank you so very much...hmmm that's good. May we speak with each other tomorrow? Gotta go see the Pistons kick butt now.

~j

My GOD (no pun intended), How did I miss this thread????


:lol:AUM, even YOU have a sense of humor :driveby:

Oh brother! Indians suffered tragically under the hand of greedy white men. God's love did not play a part in their horrendous acts. My goodness!


Aheem... Butting in for a moment. God's love may have not played a part, but God's sanction and his word did. Maybe misguided, but the Euro-Americans (greedy white men as you call them) certainly did have a precedent. Try the Book of Judges for starters. The God-inspired genocide of populace and the habitual claiming of others land as the "promised land" helped to fuel "Manifest Destiny" and the resultant wholesale slaughter. Notice a Col. Chivington, a Methodist minister. On November 29, 1864, Col. Chivington rode his Colorado Volunteers into a peaceful Cheyenne and Arapaho village on Sand Creek, Northern Colorado. He and his men massacred and mutilated over 100 men and women. Many of the particulars are too graphic to describe here. Col. Chivington is famous for saying: "kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice."

Clearly, this is not the Christian love and the Christian's God speaking:

"And the Lord, said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." Num. 21:34-35

or how about Num. 31:2-3 and Num. 31:17-18

We contrast these things with John 3:16 and I wonder what those young male Midianites were thinking about God's love at the time of their slaughter.

Let's not get into theological gymnastics the God of the OT sanctioned the death, ambush and massacre of thousands. Most of those villages, conquered and smitten by the Hebrews, reputed held thousands in them as city-states. If you can validate this, some future Muslim theologican could possibly validate 9/11 as God's reckoning with the "sinful" infidels of New Sodom and Gommorrah.

Lastly, these "same greedy white men" were the ones to introduce your foreparents to Christianity so I guess God's love was a part of those atrocities because it seems very unlikely for you to have been Christian today were it not for those "greedy white men."

Black/bird skippin da game

Aheem... Butting in for a moment. God's love may have not played a part, but God's sanction and his word did. Maybe misguided, but the Euro-Americans (greedy white men as you call them) certainly did have a precedent. Try the Book of Judges for starters. The God-inspired genocide of populace and the habitual claiming of others land as the "promised land" helped to fuel "Manifest Destiny" and the resultant wholesale slaughter. Notice a Col. Chivington, a Methodist minister. On November 29, 1864, Col. Chivington rode his Colorado Volunteers into a peaceful Cheyenne and Arapaho village on Sand Creek, Northern Colorado. He and his men massacred and mutilated over 100 men and women. Many of the particulars are too graphic to describe here. Col. Chivington is famous for saying: "kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice."

Clearly, this is not the Christian love and the Christian's God speaking:

"And the Lord, said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." Num. 21:34-35

or how about Num. 31:2-3 and Num. 31:17-18

We contrast these things with John 3:16 and I wonder what those young male Midianites were thinking about God's love at the time of their slaughter.

Let's not get into theological gymnastics the God of the OT sanctioned the death, ambush and massacre of thousands. Most of those villages, conquered and smitten by the Hebrews, reputed held thousands in them as city-states. If you can validate this, some future Muslim theologican could possibly validate 9/11 as God's reckoning with the "sinful" infidels of New Sodom and Gommorrah.

Lastly, these "same greedy white men" were the ones to introduce your foreparents to Christianity so I guess God's love was a part of those atrocities because it seems very unlikely for you to have been Christian today were it not for those "greedy white men."

Black/bird skippin da game

It's because of examples like this, and the Bible is replete with them, that I propose 2 deities in the Bible. One inherently loving and one inherently jealous. One is universal and the other tribalistic. One philosophical in nature and one very primal in nature.

Blackbird (returns to the elusive realm of shadows)

Oh brother! Indians suffered tragically under the hand of greedy white men. God's love did not play a part in their horrendous acts. My goodness!
The American Indian was one of the tribes of Israel.

Thank you so very much...hmmm that's good. May we speak with each other tomorrow? Gotta go see the Pistons kick butt now.

~j

You Say Your Christian Yes . Do You Follow The Laws That Yashua Follow , Or Are You A Paulite , Because He Was The One Who Called You Christian Acts 11 ; 26 ... ???

Did God not destroy the world? Did God not destroy Sodem and Gomorrah? Did God not send his destroyer to kill the first born of Egypt? Did God not destroy the Amelakites, the Perizzites, the Phillistines, Jebozites and all who would oppose Israel in the land of Canaan? Did God not let his profits and righteous men suffer and die horrorable deaths. Wasn't Jesus slaughtered. God let these things happen because nothing in this world is meant to last. Physical death is only God keeping his promise. We must die to our flesh to live in our spirit. It matters not how God calls us home as long as we go home with God.

The truth only offends the guilty.

Just a few questions--

Q:What's the opposite of a true Christian, a false one?

A:A so called christian(Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, church folk,etc.)

Q:What is the difference between a true Christian and a Christian?

A: A so called christian does not know God or Jesus, they distort the Word of God, and they unsually submitted to some misguided individual.

Q:Do you think that ALL nonbelievers in Jesus "hate" Christians? If so, what's your proof?

A: Not all nonbelievers hate christians but a large majority do. If some nonbelievers didn't hate christians they wouldn't care to comment.

Q:How do you know the difference between the truth and a lie?

A: The same way you know you have a mind though you have never experienced it with physical senses.

Q:Can you provide me with an example of an "esoteric or dead cult"?

A: Church Universal and Triumphant, The Hare Krishnas, The Family of Love, Scientology, Unification Church, Wicca.


Q:How does a "true" Christian stand on the truth boldly yet with humility? Can you provide me with an example of this in discussions that are taking place in this thread?

A: A true christian knows his source and is a joyful witness without fear yet giving all the glory and praise to God. I have no examples in this thread but I do in others. e.g. Scripture of the day, Who is us, 2 God in the Bible.

Q: What is the first commandment that "true" Christians follow and did you bear witness to all of them doing this?

A: Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me." I have not seen all true christians in the world but the christians have seen I can confirm.

Q: Can you provide me with examples of "true" Christians being in constant repentence and for what?

A: True christian understands that flesh is afflicted with sin. At times all true christians surcome to their afflictions and must ask God for forgiveness through the prayer of confession. Sin is the disobedience of Gods will by word, thought or action.

Q:Do you know for a fact that "true" Christians aren't afraid to speak the truth, even about themselves?

A: Yes. Truth is liberating. Self examination is the first step in deliverance.

Q: Why do you believe there is no "polite" way to tell the truth?

A: The truth is what its is no matter the tone in your voice, the language it's spoken or what mood you're in when you hear it.

Q: Why do you believe that Christians are hated because of someone's inability to face the truth?

A: A person unable to face the truth hates himself much less anyone else.

No disrespect is intended by my questions only my meager attempt at seeking a deeper understanding behind your words.


Peace,
Queenie :spinstar:

Queenie my personal belief is when the second advent of Christ happens Christians (who are the church of Christ), Muslims (who are the seed Abraham) and Jews(who are God's chosen people) Will be united by the Messiah and Will be rapture out of this world and into the Kingdom of heaven.

Peace

Radical Faith

...Did God not let his profits and righteous men suffer and die horrorable deaths. Wasn't Jesus slaughtered. God let these things happen because nothing in this world is meant to last. Physical death is only God keeping his promise. We must die to our flesh to live in our spirit. It matters not how God calls us home as long as we go home with God.

As long as we have people who think like this the world will stay in the hands of the same DEVIL that people are supposed to rebuke.

I'll say this, the physical world isn't all that. However statements like these make me realize that some who claim to be religious are really on a KAMIKAZE mission. You and I (I N I) were put here to GROW in the spiritual world by going through trials and tribulations, Triumphs and Achievements; NOT TO "CROSS(hmm) YOUR HEART AND HOPE TO DIE AND MAYBE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME GLORIOUS AFTERLIFE. That's like Failing every subject in school and hoping to get promoted anyway or at least get a "nicer" teacher next semester. :teach:

"Om"

:lol:AUM, even YOU have a sense of humor :driveby:

Thanks and welcome to the truth of what others have noticed since I started posting.

"Om"

Thanks and welcome to the truth of what others have noticed since I started posting.

"Om"

:driveby:Oh? And what might that "truth" be...pray tell?

Blackbird Said: Lastly, these "same greedy white men" were the ones to introduce your foreparents to Christianity so I guess God's love was a part of those atrocities because it seems very unlikely for you to have been Christian today were it not for those "greedy white men."

Oh my brotha. I fear much learning has confused you. For it was not whites who introduced Chrisitianity to blacks...it was Blacks who introduced Christianity to whites. So please don't dare go there.

There are very, very, few white people in the bible in fact. In your attempt to "align" your spirit with your black ancestors, you have chosen to leave out the blacks who have made the greatest impact, spiritually, upon our world as we know it.

The white man only used our ancestor's bible as a basis for promoting their agenda, but does that make Christianity evil? Those 19 men who took their own life as well as that of over 2,500 people on 9-11 used the Qur'an as their basis for doing so. Does that mean that the Qur'an is an evil book...certainly not! So please...let's not come to the table with bad food and try to have me eat cuz I'd rather have me a fresh sweet potato pie, some collards with ham hocks, white acre peas with okra and hamhocks...got suma that? How bout some red kool aid? Invite me over bro.

...remember, the Blacks in the bible are YOUR ancestors too. Don't reject them just because they don't line up with what you are presently into.

~j

It's because of examples like this, and the Bible is replete with them, that I propose 2 deities in the Bible. One inherently loving and one inherently jealous. One is universal and the other tribalistic. One philosophical in nature and one very primal in nature.

Blackbird (returns to the elusive realm of shadows)

You are free to propose whatever you want to. But in the end...only truth will dictate.

~j ...watching Blackbird fly back into his elusive realm.

Scripture From Isaiah 45:

3I will give you the treasures of darkness
And hidden riches of secret places,
That you may know that I, the LORD,
Who call you by your name,
Am the God of Israel.
4For Jacob My servant's sake,
And Israel My elect,
I have even called you by your name;
I have named you, though you have not known Me.
5I am the LORD, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me,
6That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other;
7I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.'


8"Rain down, you heavens, from above,
And let the skies pour down righteousness;
Let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation,
And let righteousness spring up together.
I, the LORD, have created it.


9"Woe to him who strives with his Maker!

Blackbird Said: Lastly, these "same greedy white men" were the ones to introduce your foreparents to Christianity so I guess God's love was a part of those atrocities because it seems very unlikely for you to have been Christian today were it not for those "greedy white men."

Oh my brotha. I fear much learning has confused you. For it was not whites who introduced Chrisitianity to blacks...it was Blacks who introduced Christianity to whites. So please don't dare go there.

There are very, very, few white people in the bible in fact. In your attempt to "align" your spirit with your black ancestors, you have chosen to leave out the blacks who have made the greatest impact, spiritually, upon our world as we know it.

The white man only used our ancestor's bible as a basis for promoting their agenda, but does that make Christianity evil? Those 19 men who took their own life as well as that of over 2,500 people on 9-11 used the Qur'an as their basis for doing so. Does that mean that the Qur'an is an evil book...certainly not! So please...let's not come to the table with bad food and try to have me eat cuz I'd rather have me a fresh sweet potato pie, some collards with ham hocks, white acre peas with okra and hamhocks...got suma that? How bout some red kool aid? Invite me over bro.

...remember, the Blacks in the bible are YOUR ancestors too. Don't reject them just because they don't line up with what you are presently into.

~j

Joyce,

You wrote: "
Oh my brotha. I fear much learning has confused you. For it was not whites who introduced Chrisitianity to blacks...it was Blacks who introduced Christianity to whites. So please don't dare go there."

No, I'm afraid you are wrong. I have done my own comparative analysis with Afrikan religious statements and European ones and I'm sorry to say Christianity has more to do with pre-Christian European religious statements then Afrikans. I dare go there to tell you that the people of Palestine were not Black. They were typical of your present-day Arab. Evidence is there to back this claim up. Maybe you need to study a more diversity of topics and subjects before going dare with me. Trust me. I'm not confused and I am quite confident on what I say regarding this. Our ancestors were Ewe and they practice Vodou. Yoruba and they believed in the orisa. Bakongo and they had their priests known as nganga. They knew nothing of Christianity and personally, I feel their beliefs were spiritually advanced. Many Afrikans have much to say about Christianity and its not to kind.

You wrote: "There are very, very, few white people in the bible in fact. In your attempt to "align" your spirit with your black ancestors, you have chosen to leave out the blacks who have made the greatest impact, spiritually, upon our world as we know it."

Oh, the contrary. Culturally, the Bible is very Indo-European oriented and the Hebrew language, like Aramaic and Arabic, has been shown to have archaic Indo-European influences. Couple this information with the historical record of the period and we see a forminable argument for white people in the Bible. They were not my ancestors. My ancestors were from West Afrika, they have come in my dreams and have pulled me the direction I am going. Thank you. Christianity has made such an impact on the world due to its imperialistic function in global supremacy. If it were not for its ideology of spreading the message and its' championship by the Roman and Byzantine Empires, the world could possibly have been Muslim rather than Christian. Think objectively Joyce.

You wrote: "The white man only used our ancestor's bible as a basis for promoting their agenda, but does that make Christianity evil?"

My ancestor's bible? My ancestors' bible was Nature and the natural world, not some book with a limited number of pages. I never said Christianity was evil, maybe you think that? Don't put words in my mouth.

You wrote: "Does that mean that the Qur'an is an evil book..."

If the God of the Qur'an justified the slaughter of thousands because they didn't believe in him. Yes. Same goes for the Bible or rather the God in it. It sicking to praise a God that would condone and order the mass murder of men, women and children simply because of disbelief. There is no gymnastics around it.

Blackbird (ever watching and vigilant)

Did God not destroy the world? Did God not destroy Sodem and Gomorrah? Did God not send his destroyer to kill the first born of Egypt? Did God not destroy the Amelakites, the Perizzites, the Phillistines, Jebozites and all who would oppose Israel in the land of Canaan? Did God not let his profits and righteous men suffer and die horrorable deaths. Wasn't Jesus slaughtered. God let these things happen because nothing in this world is meant to last. Physical death is only God keeping his promise. We must die to our flesh to live in our spirit. It matters not how God calls us home as long as we go home with God.

Theological gymnastics. Kill 'em all, huh, thus saith the Lord.

Blackbird

Joyce,

I had to go back to this....

You wrote: "The white man only used our ancestor's bible as a basis for promoting their agenda, but does that make Christianity evil? Those 19 men who took their own life as well as that of over 2,500 people on 9-11 used the Qur'an as their basis for doing so. Does that mean that the Qur'an is an evil book...certainly not!"

Explain this please!

Clearly, this is not the Christian love and the Christian's God speaking:

"And the Lord, said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." Num. 21:34-35

or how about Num. 31:2-3 and Num. 31:17-18.

We contrast these things with John 3:16 and I wonder what those young male Midianites were thinking about God's love at the time of their slaughter?

Where is the love in the slaughter of young boys and keeping only the girls for self?

Righteous and justice or sacrifice for a bloodlust and jealous God?

Let's not get into theological gymnastics the God of the OT sanctioned the death, ambush and massacre of thousands. Most of those villages, conquered and smitten by the Hebrews, reputed held thousands in them as city-states. If you can validate this, some future Muslim theologican could possibly validate 9/11 as God's reckoning with the "sinful" infidels of New Sodom and Gomorrah. Please anyone can explain anything, even Hitler can explain his murder of 6 million Jews in reasonable terms. We do when we say "GOD TOLD ME" like Moses, Joshua and David did. It's that simple.

Is the God in the OT the same as in the NT? Why do you say so? What evidence outside the Bible supports this is true?

What is the origin of Abraham and during what time period did he emigrate?

Where does the term Hebrew come from and are there any records of that name outside the Bible?

Why, in your own words, do you believe God came to the Hebrews and not the Egyptians?

Who was Melchizedek and what was his role?

Blackbird (da professor)

It's because of examples like this, and the Bible is replete with them, that I propose 2 deities in the Bible. One inherently loving and one inherently jealous. One is universal and the other tribalistic. One philosophical in nature and one very primal in nature.

Blackbird (returns to the elusive realm of shadows)


As you full well brotha, the Gnostics call the latter the impostor "god" named Yadabaoth and the former the true God or creator of the universe.

Yadabaoth is credited with persecuting "man" by forcing him into praying to him and keeping him ignorant of his inner divine spark. The original breath of life breathed into him by the Creator, by the feminine principle known as the shekinah, Aset, Mary, Meri, Sophia.

This Divine spark is found at the root chakra, and is locked inside a primordial crystal. soon to be shattered and will ignite a complete and total world wide purification process

Joyce,

I had to go back to this....

You wrote: "The white man only used our ancestor's bible as a basis for promoting their agenda, but does that make Christianity evil? Those 19 men who took their own life as well as that of over 2,500 people on 9-11 used the Qur'an as their basis for doing so. Does that mean that the Qur'an is an evil book...certainly not!"

Explain this please!

Clearly, this is not the Christian love and the Christian's God speaking:

"And the Lord, said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." Num. 21:34-35

or how about Num. 31:2-3 and Num. 31:17-18.

We contrast these things with John 3:16 and I wonder what those young male Midianites were thinking about God's love at the time of their slaughter?

Where is the love in the slaughter of young boys and keeping only the girls for self?

Righteous and justice or sacrifice for a bloodlust and jealous God?

Let's not get into theological gymnastics the God of the OT sanctioned the death, ambush and massacre of thousands. Most of those villages, conquered and smitten by the Hebrews, reputed held thousands in them as city-states. If you can validate this, some future Muslim theologican could possibly validate 9/11 as God's reckoning with the "sinful" infidels of New Sodom and Gomorrah. Please anyone can explain anything, even Hitler can explain his murder of 6 million Jews in reasonable terms. We do when we say "GOD TOLD ME" like Moses, Joshua and David did. It's that simple.

Is the God in the OT the same as in the NT? Why do you say so? What evidence outside the Bible supports this is true?

What is the origin of Abraham and during what time period did he emigrate?

Where does the term Hebrew come from and are there any records of that name outside the Bible?

Why, in your own words, do you believe God came to the Hebrews and not the Egyptians?

Who was Melchizedek and what was his role?

Blackbird (da professor)

He is a Mighty warrior against all evil and those who endorse it...sorry, but He didn't tolerate it well then and you will see Him rise again in end times to take care of all the loose ends. Get your house in order or suffer the consequences.

6That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other;
7I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.'


8"Rain down, you heavens, from above,
And let the skies pour down righteousness;
Let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation,
And let righteousness spring up together.
I, the LORD, have created it.


9"Woe to him who strives with his Maker!

~j

He is a Mighty warrior against all evil and those who endorse it...sorry, but He didn't tolerate it well then and you will see Him rise again in end times to take care of all the loose ends. Get your house in order or suffer the consequences.

6That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other;
7I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.'


8"Rain down, you heavens, from above,
And let the skies pour down righteousness;
Let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation,
And let righteousness spring up together.
I, the LORD, have created it.


9"Woe to him who strives with his Maker!

~j


Joyce,

Hello, but you make God sound like a terrorist. Your statements can be seen as threats and what does an all-powerful GOD have to do with threaten folks to behave and obey.

The problem in all of this as how we view the Creator. Our views of God are totally different. What you have been saying maybe good for you, but DON'T and I mean DON'T speak for God to me. Yes, I have raised questions about Christianity, but I never said you were on the wrong path or confused. How can you say that to me when you know little about my beliefs. I was in the church actively as a participant so my knowledge I have is first-hand as well as third-person. I don't have to read books or websites to learn about Christianity. Shoot my whole family is devoutly Christian and has been for years.

I noticed in my hometown, one neighborhood has over 30 churches, all supposedly preaching the redemption of Christ, yet still the crime and poverty rate is high and the quality of life is low. I ministered to gangmembers who knew more about Christ and the Bible than most people in the Christian church and can say the precepts in the Bible occasionally guided their misguided behavior. Most were firm believers in Christ and the God in the Bible.

Blackbird (clearing myself)

Joyce,

I had to go back to this....

You wrote: "The white man only used our ancestor's bible as a basis for promoting their agenda, but does that make Christianity evil? Those 19 men who took their own life as well as that of over 2,500 people on 9-11 used the Qur'an as their basis for doing so. Does that mean that the Qur'an is an evil book...certainly not!"

Explain this please!

Clearly, this is not the Christian love and the Christian's God speaking:

"And the Lord, said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." Num. 21:34-35

or how about Num. 31:2-3 and Num. 31:17-18.

We contrast these things with John 3:16 and I wonder what those young male Midianites were thinking about God's love at the time of their slaughter?

Where is the love in the slaughter of young boys and keeping only the girls for self?

Righteous and justice or sacrifice for a bloodlust and jealous God?

Let's not get into theological gymnastics the God of the OT sanctioned the death, ambush and massacre of thousands. Most of those villages, conquered and smitten by the Hebrews, reputed held thousands in them as city-states. If you can validate this, some future Muslim theologican could possibly validate 9/11 as God's reckoning with the "sinful" infidels of New Sodom and Gomorrah. Please anyone can explain anything, even Hitler can explain his murder of 6 million Jews in reasonable terms. We do when we say "GOD TOLD ME" like Moses, Joshua and David did. It's that simple.

Is the God in the OT the same as in the NT? Why do you say so? What evidence outside the Bible supports this is true?

What is the origin of Abraham and during what time period did he emigrate?

Where does the term Hebrew come from and are there any records of that name outside the Bible?

Why, in your own words, do you believe God came to the Hebrews and not the Egyptians?

Who was Melchizedek and what was his role?

Blackbird (da professor)Any people that don’t serve GOD and GOD only will be crushed. GOD did not choose Israel because of our righteousness, but because of the wickedness of the people in that land.


Deut:9:4: Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.

Deut:9:5: Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.


That’s why GOD had those people slaughtered. And if GOD had not have done this they would be dad anyway because they were sacrificing their children to demons in the fire.

...I was in the church actively as a participant so my knowledge I have is first-hand as well as third-person. I don't have to read books or websites to learn about Christianity. Shoot my whole family is devoutly Christian and has been for years.

I noticed in my hometown, one neighborhood has over 30 churches, all supposedly preaching the redemption of Christ, yet still the crime and poverty rate is high and the quality of life is low.

Man, same here. I'm from Coastal GA, right under S.C. and this is where many of us got off the slave boats. Raised in Church, most family is in there, You know "what it is".

I read that the Ancient Temples in Afrika were beautifully constructed and was a reflection of the community/village. Well what about churches and mosques of today? Many I see are right in the middle of the ghetto.
Let's face it, today's inner cities aren't the picture of an ideal community to grow and be free, raise children, etc.

If the churches were "right" then these communities would be drug-free and crime-free because the community would have something sacred to uphold. Instead it becomes the same slave-quarter conditions that whites forced fed their God and religion upon our ancestors during slavery here in the west and colonialism on the continent.

Man, same here. I'm from Coastal GA, right under S.C. and this is where many of us got off the slave boats. Raised in Church, most family is in there, You know "what it is".

I read that the Ancient Temples in Afrika were beautifully constructed and was a reflection of the community/village. Well what about churches and mosques of today? Many I see are right in the middle of the ghetto.
Let's face it, today's inner cities aren't the picture of an ideal community to grow and be free, raise children, etc.

If the churches were "right" then these communities would be drug-free and crime-free because the community would have something sacred to uphold. Instead it becomes the same slave-quarter conditions that whites forced fed their God and religion upon our ancestors during slavery here in the west and colonialism on the continent.

AUM,

I'm a loosey-ana, boy, myself. The most magnificent structures in our communities are the churches. They look like castles and such. While they are expensive and impression, most of the people live in shanty-town shacks on streets with little lighting. These large institutions support nothing that could improve quality of life concerns if they deemed them as upsetting the status quo. We have these large buildings, with huge followings, but we have no Black banks, credit unions or developmental agencies. It's real out here and all most people can do is say "Let me tell you about Jesus", but these same people are losing their own children to drugs and violence. I'm sorry. I'm tired of praying, wishing and hoping.

Blackbird (passionate about community business and religion)

AUM,

I'm a loosey-ana, boy, myself. The most magnificent structures in our communities are the churches. They look like castles and such. While they are expensive and impression, most of the people live in shanty-town shacks on streets with little lighting. These large institutions support nothing that could improve quality of life concerns if they deemed them as upsetting the status quo. We have these large buildings, with huge followings, but we have no Black banks, credit unions or developmental agencies. It's real out here and all most people can do is say "Let me tell you about Jesus", but these same people are losing their own children to drugs and violence. I'm sorry. I'm tired of praying, wishing and hoping.

Blackbird (passionate about community business and religion)

Well you know us "Geechee" Deep South kids have come a long way to even have a discussion like this. It must be 2004, run and tell everyone you know! When we throw off this yoke, we will never again be broke. Nat Turner lives in me, BURNING down Rome like he did up in Virginny.

As you full well brotha, the Gnostics call the latter the impostor "god" named Yadabaoth and the former the true God or creator of the universe.

Yadabaoth is credited with persecuting "man" by forcing him into praying to him and keeping him ignorant of his inner divine spark. The original breath of life breathed into him by the Creator, by the feminine principle known as the shekinah, Aset, Mary, Meri, Sophia.

This Divine spark is found at the root chakra, and is locked inside a primordial crystal. soon to be shattered and will ignite a complete and total world wide purification process

Some crystals have already been shattered. Some crystals are so heavily guarded so that it is ensured not to shatter on time. There lies a time capsule in each of us. Sekhemu I suppose this is why there was a hunt for all the world's relics like the Grail, Hope Diamond, Crystals, Tablets, Statues, etc. because THEY thought that IT was going to be something physical. Little did THEY realize IT is on the inside of a few people, waiting to go off. If that was too BLACK for some of you here's a light :flamet: IGNORANCE

"OOOooommmmm"

As long as we have people who think like this the world will stay in the hands of the same DEVIL that people are supposed to rebuke.

I'll say this, the physical world isn't all that. However statements like these make me realize that some who claim to be religious are really on a KAMIKAZE mission. You and I (I N I) were put here to GROW in the spiritual world by going through trials and tribulations, Triumphs and Achievements; NOT TO "CROSS(hmm) YOUR HEART AND HOPE TO DIE AND MAYBE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME GLORIOUS AFTERLIFE. That's like Failing every subject in school and hoping to get promoted anyway or at least get a "nicer" teacher next semester. :teach:

"Om"

So you're saying live it up now because there is no tomorrow? I hope not. What I'm saying is God giveth and taketh away. Death will come no matter what. No man knows the hour of his demise unless he purposely forefits his life. Therefore we must live right. Living right means getting right with God. Also the "Devil" you are talking about could less about your physical body, he's more interested in your soul.

I am a Christian and have a great love for the truth. I also believe that the wicked one, satan, finds ways to cause strife and discord among people and one way is through religion.

I do not accept Islam and never will. That is my right. There are things that I do not agree with and I hate for things to come down to arguments and attacks.

There are many Muslims on my job. Basically we are there to work. I have been invited to attend Muslim services but declined. There is only one walk for me and that is being a Christian. And I respect a person's right to choose their faith, but I do not like the attacks against Christianity by some blacks in which it is called "the white man's religion". The white man doesn't have a thing to do with what I believe. I do not have any pictures or refuse to buy any books deplicting a white Jesus, especially him with long hair and feminine looks.

It does not matter to me the color of Christ's skin when he was on earth. I don't waste my time in research and debates over this issue. Those melanin topics I avoid, because I feel that blacks are trying to promote superiority, and from the things I've learned, God made us ALL in his image. So no race is superior over the other and we need to get this out of our mind.

We are taught that God is no respecter of person. He don't care about your skin color, your bank account, your accomplishments, etc...you are nothing but a mere speck.

I've been taught to love people. And there are Christians from every racial background. To hate a white person is to hate a white sister or brother in Christ. I'm aware of the history, but I don't live in the past. I'm looking forward to the day when there will be total peace and plan to be a part of it.

I question how some Muslims are mean and violent, like the ones we are fighting against. And then I know some Muslims who are peaceful. Also, some who call themselves Christians, their despicable acts. What comes to mind is the way the Iraqi prisoners have been treated. There was one person who called himself a Christian, but he felt that he was more compelled to obey the orders of his superior officer than God. The Muslims are showing this as if to say "Now, this is what Christians do; they are sex perverts, etc."

I do not feel embarrassed by so called Christians like these. They do not represent me. In the bible, we are told that not everyone who says Lord, Lord will inherit His kingdom. God knows who belongs to Him.

We also have some preachers who have gained great wealth from cheating and trickery. God knows who they are and he will deal with them. God knows about the preachers who say one thing and do just the opposite. And He knows what those soldiers were doing to those prisoners and if the law of the land doesn't handle it properly, He is the Final Judge.

Sometimes there is an inner war among Christians. Some Christians attack others. Nothing was more discouraging to me than a woman making snide remarks about the slit in my skirt and what was the proper length for a slit. Also, she offered to sew my slits together. In other words, she was trying to dress me in a way that she would approve.

We also have those Christians who think salvation is based on works. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe in salvation based on field service, meeting attendance and how many magazines you place. Yet, some of them have mistreated other brothers and sisters if they think that person is not doing as much as them.

There are all these denominations in Christianity. They have 1,001 manmade rules so to speak, but none of them have anything to do with the truth.

God takes us at face value. He accepts us individually. The actions of others can reflect on the whole body of Christians, but God judges us individually.

I do not know a lot about Islam, but I know enough that I don't wish to convert. This is just an honest admission and was not meant to be offensive. And a Muslim has the right to say that he or she do not wish to convert to Christianity.

The way I follow is true and real because I've been blessed so many times by God. I have peace and love for others. I cannot bear hatred for the white people because my God is one of LOVE. There are people who I'm not overly fond of because of their actions, but that includes just as many blacks.

God has blessed me in so many ways because I put my trust in Him and not in any man. When it comes down to my employment, it is Him I trust for a job.

Through Christ, I'm a free woman. I can have whatever I wish that's in the Father's will. And no white man or woman can stop me from having things. That's why I speak strongly when some of us feel that whites are superior to us or some feel that they can't have this or that "because the white man don't want me to have it". This is not the teaching in Christianity.

When we speak these negative words, they will become true. If I felt that the white woman didn't want me to have a nice job or home, I would be defeated and act on that. I wouldn't try to work at certain places because "the white man doesn't want me there". Christianity has freed me from that thinking. And I've seen the results of it.

Christianity has shown me that we are not in a battle with the white man. We are in battle with evil spirit forces. And in the end, those forces will be destroyed (Satan and his demons).

Therefore, my love of God prevents me from getting into the debates about melanin, etc. Because in the end, melanin will not protect one from His wrath. We should be more focused on betterment of our lives, protecting our children, and respecting our fellow humans. Even if we have melanin, we still get sick. Melanin is not stopping one for getting HIV/AIDS.

Black people, we do not need to feed into these topics to make ourselves superior. God knows our struggles and only HE will give relief. If we keep on with the separatist attitudes, He cannot bless us.

I view myself as a beautiful human who happens to be descendant from the black race. I don't need the approval or acceptance of man.

Sometimes people leave Christianity for the way they were treated. I've been treated badly by socalled Christians, but like I said above, God knows who belongs to Him. Not everyone with that title of Christian will inherit His Kingdom.

I respect the rights of others, but I do not wish them to try to force their beliefs on me and likewise I do the same. I do not get into the bible thumping mode. If you ask me questions, you get answers, but I don't force myself on anyone.

I have been told, "don't talk religion to me" especially when I was reading my bible or Christian books during breaktime.

I will continue to be the best I can be and bear no malice towards anyone.


It gives me immense joy to see someone filled by the Holy Spirit such as yourself. The Lord says where two or more gather in his name and pray great things are bound to happen. Let's be in prayer for our lost brothers and sister that they may be touched by the true living God that has touched our lives.

Stay bold and unafraid

Radical Faith

So you're saying live it up now because there is no tomorrow? I hope not. What I'm saying is God giveth and taketh away. Death will come no matter what. No man knows the hour of his demise unless he purposely forefits his life. Therefore we must live right. Living right means getting right with God. Also the "Devil" you are talking about could less about your physical body, he's more interested in your soul.

Radical Blind Faith,
Read my post again.
Thanks

"OM"

Joyce,

I had to go back to this....

You wrote: "The white man only used our ancestor's bible as a basis for promoting their agenda, but does that make Christianity evil? Those 19 men who took their own life as well as that of over 2,500 people on 9-11 used the Qur'an as their basis for doing so. Does that mean that the Qur'an is an evil book...certainly not!"

Explain this please!

Clearly, this is not the Christian love and the Christian's God speaking:

"And the Lord, said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." Num. 21:34-35

or how about Num. 31:2-3 and Num. 31:17-18.

We contrast these things with John 3:16 and I wonder what those young male Midianites were thinking about God's love at the time of their slaughter?

Where is the love in the slaughter of young boys and keeping only the girls for self?

Righteous and justice or sacrifice for a bloodlust and jealous God?

Let's not get into theological gymnastics the God of the OT sanctioned the death, ambush and massacre of thousands. Most of those villages, conquered and smitten by the Hebrews, reputed held thousands in them as city-states. If you can validate this, some future Muslim theologican could possibly validate 9/11 as God's reckoning with the "sinful" infidels of New Sodom and Gomorrah. Please anyone can explain anything, even Hitler can explain his murder of 6 million Jews in reasonable terms. We do when we say "GOD TOLD ME" like Moses, Joshua and David did. It's that simple.

Is the God in the OT the same as in the NT? Why do you say so? What evidence outside the Bible supports this is true?

What is the origin of Abraham and during what time period did he emigrate?

Where does the term Hebrew come from and are there any records of that name outside the Bible?

Why, in your own words, do you believe God came to the Hebrews and not the Egyptians?

Who was Melchizedek and what was his role?

Blackbird (da professor)





Brother Blackbird:

I must ask you not to pose more than 1 question at a time to me. I have just finished answering questions from you on another thread. I have too many posts vying for my attention in the Religious and Spirituality forum to be answering 6 and 8 questions from someone who will only reject the answers anyway.

This is why I stopped answering questions posed to me by Music Producer & Issa. There were posing for contentious reasons only and not peaceful dialogue. I am for peace and when I sense a contentious spirit such as I sense in you, I deal with it in one of 2 ways...

1. I will attempt to bring understanding to the table.
2. If number 1 fails. I will most likely stop conversing with that person and ignore them.

I'm striving for number 1 with you but you are provoking me to choose number 2. I really enjoy posting to you but I can't stand a contentious spirit. So ease up will you???

To give you a clearer picture of where I am coming from...When I am in Sekhemu's thread, I only ask one or two questions at a time. Why? Because even though I have a very inquistive mind, I only want answers and not a fight. Thus, I give him room to respond to each question I pose. Now I have fell into some fights over there, but that's because someone passed the first "lick". However, I have always managed to get out of them without getting too banged up. :driveby:

Take note, that Sekhemu has explained to me that he can only go so far in answering my questions. See in order for me to comprehend the spiritual teachings pertaining to melanin, I would have to be willing to reject the teaching and lifestyle of Jesus. Once I embrace this melanin force, then I will be able to recieve the understanding of what is being taught. Until I make a personal decision to commit my heart and soul to the ancient teachings of melanin it is no use in Sekhemu tring to share anything with me beyond basic knowledge. He is a teacher and as such, I must sit in his classroom...I must be willing to be his student.

Thus, I say to you, that Jesus is a teacher (and more) and before you can comprehend the totality of who he is, you must sit in His classroom. This begins with acknowledge that He is right and just. If you do not believe He is right, why ask questions? If you do not believe he is just in all he does, you will not receive anything from him. If you refute his teachings from the beginning, you will not be a student. You learn by asking questions, but if you are not willing to be a student, how will you accept or understand the answers? Until then your unlearned mind will not comprehend. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

How will you be able to learn from Him if you are not willing to be His student???

Why ask questions, if you are not willing to put yourself in the position of understanding when the answer is given???

All of these questions are of course rhetorical. Please do not attempt to answer but think...objectively

Respectfully,

~j

P.S. Please choose ONE of your questions above to pose to me and we will discuss from there.

Brother Blackbird:

I must ask you not to pose more than 1 question at a time to me. I have just finished answering questions from you on another thread. I have too many posts vying for my attention in the Religious and Spirituality forum to be answering 6 and 8 questions from someone who will only reject the answers anyway.

This is why I stopped answering question posed to me by Music Producer & Issa. There were posing for contentious reasons only and not peaceful dialogue. I am for peace and when I sense a contentious spirit such as I sense in you, I deal with it in one of 2 ways...

1. I will attempt to bring understanding to the table.
2. If number 1 fails. I will most likely stop conversing with that person and ignore them.

I'm striving for number 1 with you but you are provoking me to choose number 2. I really enjoy posting to you but I can't stand a contentious spirit. So ease up will you???

To give you a clearer picture of where I am coming from...When I am in Sekhemu's thread, I only ask one or two questions at a time. Why? Because even though I have a very inquistive mind, I only want answers and not a fight. Thus, I give him room to respond to each question I pose. Now I have fell into some fights over there, but that's because someone passed the first "lick". However, I have always managed to get out of them without getting too banged up. :driveby:

Take note, that Sekhemu has explained to me that he can only go so far in answering my questions. See in order for me to comprehend the spiritual teachings pertaining to melanin, I would have to be willing to reject the teaching and lifestyle of Jesus. Once I embrace this melanin force, then I will be able to recieve the understanding of what is being taught. Until I make a personal decision to commit my heart and soul to the ancient teachings of melanin it is no use in Sekhemu tring to share anything with me beyond basic knowledge. He is a teacher and as such, I must sit in his classroom...I must be willing to be his student.

Thus, I say to you, that Jesus is a teacher (and more) and before you can comprehend the totality of who he is, you must sit in His classroom. This begins with acknowledge that He is right and just. If you do not believe He is right, why ask questions? If you do not believe he is just in all he does, you will not receive anything from him. If you refute his teachings from the beginning, you will not be a student. You learn by asking questions, but if you are not willing to be a student, how will you accept or understand the answers? Until then your unlearned mind will not comprehend. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

How will you be able to learn from Him if you are not willing to be His student???

Why ask questions, if you are not willing to put yourself in the position of understanding when the answer is given???

All of these questions are of course rhetorical. Please do not attempt to answer but think...objectively

Respectfully,

~j

I agree. Contentious spirit? I felt as if you were attacking me and not respecting my choice in beliefs. I never quoted you any Ifa Odu, which are our scriptures per se.

Blackbird

No more preaching come to him and I will not tell you come to Ifa, oh confused soul. Agreed.

I agree. Contentious spirit? I felt as if you were attacking me and not respecting my choice in beliefs. I never quoted you any Ifa Odu, which are our scriptures per se.

Blackbird

No more preaching come to him and I will not tell you come to Ifa, oh confused soul. Agreed.

Okay Blackbird...I will not ask you to come to Him again. However, I will pray for you here this one time.

Father God,

I lift up Blackbird before you now and ask in Jesus name, that his path be enlightening by the power of your word. I pray that in the next 7 days, you will begin to deal compassionately with his heart and block all bitterness against you. I sense that he wants to understand you first before he can accept you, but I pray that he will accept you first then sit in the classroom of understanding for the endurance of his life time. For surely, you are too deep for any finite mind to grasp. Your ways are not our ways, your thoughts are not our thoughts...therefore, we must sit at your feet and recieve that spiritual bread that we so badly need.

I pray that he will do the necessary thing and that he will refute his darkness for your light. For he must realize that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. He can not comprehend the Father until he has accepted the Son.

Please do not turn him over to a reprobate mind, for then all the prayer in the world will not help him. Forgive him for the quickness of his lips concerning things he understands not. Show forth your mercy in his behalf.

Thank you Father...I ask these things in your Son's name, Jesus.

So be it.

I love you Blackbird and I respect you. Thus, after today, I will not ask you to come back to God, I will only trust that you will.

~j

Okay Blackbird...I will not ask you to come to Him again. However, I will pray for you here this one time.

Father God,

I lift up Blackbird before you now and ask in Jesus name, that his path be enlightening by the power of your word. I pray that in the next 7 days, you will begin to deal compassionately with his heart and block all bitterness against you. I sense that he wants to understand you first before he can accept you, but I pray that he will accept you first then sit in the classroom of understanding for the endurance of his life time. For surely, you are too deep for any finite mind to grasp. Your ways are not our ways, your thoughts are not our thoughts...therefore, we must sit at your feet and recieve that spiritual bread that we so badly need.

I pray that he will do the necessary thing and that he will refute his darkness for your light. For he must realize that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. He can not comprehend the Father until he has accepted the Son.

Please do not turn him over to a reprobate mind, for then all the prayer in the world will not help him. Forgive him for the quickness of his lips concerning things he understands not. Show forth your mercy in his behalf.

Thank you Father...I ask these things in your Son's name, Jesus.

So be it.

I love you Blackbird and I respect you. Thus, after today, I will not ask you to come back to God, I will only trust that you will.

~j

Sista Joyce,

I appreciate your concern, but I never left God. I left Christianity. I only serve God in a different way. Not all of us were meant to be Christian. I can work with any Christian that choosing to work with me, but I will never give up my faith. As you are a priest, so I'm I. I was born into this this. This is my destiny. I pray as well. You don't know anything about my path but you assume...

Blackbird

Sista Joyce,

I appreciate your concern, but I never left God. I left Christianity. I only serve God in a different way. Not all of us were meant to be Christian. I can work with any Christian that choosing to work with me, but I will never give up my faith. As you are a priest, so I'm I. I was born into this this. This is my destiny. I pray as well. You don't know anything about my path but you assume...

Blackbird

You are right...not all will follow Jesus Christ, God's Son. In rejecting God's Son...you have rejected God.

Proverbs 14:

12 There is a way that seems right to a man,
but in the end it leads to death.

13 Even in laughter the heart may ache,
and joy may end in grief.

~j

You are right...not all will follow Jesus Christ, God's Son. In rejecting God's Son...you have rejected God.

Proverbs 14:

12 There is a way that seems right to a man,
but in the end it leads to death.

13 Even in laughter the heart may ache,
and joy may end in grief.

~j

I never rejected God. I am in the service of God, my ancestors and the spirits.

Check out this before you pass judgement on me:
http://www.awostudycenter.com/

Blackbird

Reference:

if you don't believe in the christian definition of God then that makes you the spiritual enemy of christians Blackbird. This is what Joyce says. I know of God, I just don't know the God of christians.

if you don't believe in the christian definition of God then that makes you the spiritual enemy of christians Blackbird. This is what Joyce says. I know of God, I just don't know the God of christians.

Sekhemu,

I understand her sentiments, but it reveals a level of stubbornness which does not allow for light to enter. She has decidely drawn the battlelines and we wage war. I accept this reality, although I wish not to understand it. Certainly, enemies are enemies whether they be spiritual or physical. I much rather for her to take a knife and shed my blood like her Hebrew predecessors are often documented in doing. Alas, such is the fate of the tolerant at the hands of the intolerant. We make life and living so complicated. Sickness, indeed. Even if aggressive practical use of the ATRs could liberate our people like no belief, since we have been here, has done thus far - it would still be perceived as being oppositional. The question then becomes....?

Blackbird (assuming the armour of Ogun to accomodate my foe)

Question for you Radical faith and any other christian on this thread. How do you resolve the fact that tens and tens of millions of people were slaughtered by Christians in the name of religion.

Not only were they killed but their land was confiscated. Are modern day christians willing to admit that they live on land that was stolen from others, that these very same christians broke up families and did nothing to repair the damage done?

Your President a christian, yet advocates killing Saddam Hussein and other people, why are you christians so silent on these issues?

I guess since these(us) people don't subscribe to worshipping the creator the way you do, we deserve what ever we get, right?

if you don't believe in the christian definition of God then that makes you the spiritual enemy of christians Blackbird. This is what Joyce says. I know of God, I just don't know the God of christians.

Sekhemu said: if you don't believe in the christian definition of God then that makes you the spiritual enemy of christians Blackbird. This is what Joyce says.

Now you had to know you were calling me off of my "break" from this thread when you said that :peace: . You KNEW you were going to get my attention. That's what I love about you...you won't leave me alone. You must be falling in love. Here's a latte for you sweetie. :coffee:
Now Sekhemu, don't get caught with your pants down. I will give you a hundred $$$ if you can paste where I said: If you don't believe in the christian definition of God then that makes you the spiritual enemy of christians. Go find it and bring it here and I will give you $$$ 100 bucks.

...waiting.

Sekhemu said: if you don't believe in the christian definition of God then that makes you the spiritual enemy of christians Blackbird. This is what Joyce says.

Now you had to know you were calling me off of my "break" from this thread when you said that :peace: . You KNEW you were going to get my attention. That's what I love about you...you won't leave me alone. You must be falling in love. Here's a latte for you sweetie. :coffee:
Now Sekhemu, don't get caught with your pants down. I will give you a hundred $$$ if you can paste where I said: If you don't believe in the christian definition of God then that makes you the spiritual enemy of christians. Go find it and bring it here and I will give you $$$ 100 bucks.

...waiting.

Greetings Joyce,

What makes someone spiritual enemies?

Blackbird

Question for you Radical faith and any other christian on this thread. How do you resolve the fact that tens and tens of millions of people were slaughtered by Christians in the name of religion.

Not only were they killed but their land was confiscated. Are modern day christians willing to admit that they live on land that was stolen from others, that these very same christians broke up families and did nothing to repair the damage done?

Your President a christian, yet advocates killing Saddam Hussein and other people, why are you christians so silent on these issues?

I guess since these(us) people don't subscribe to worshipping the creator the way you do, we deserve what ever we get, right?

Now Sekhemu,

You must know that men folks have used slaves, religion, women, politics, media and any other tool for advancing their own selfish agendas. It's always been that way and unfortunately yall will always be that way.

That's why I don't follow men. They can be so whack at times. I am not a Christian for religion sake, I am one for Jesus sake. I follow Him in whom there is no fault...not the President or any of you other guys...no offense...but yall just can't seem to get it completely right when it comes to doing right. Christianity is a religion like any other. But to be a Christian, requires a personal relationship with Jesus Christ Himself. That comes by prayer...simply spending time with Him in meditation. In doing this, He reveals Himself to you and take you to a higher level in your way of thinking and living. All who cry Lord, Lord are not Christians.

~j

Greetings Joyce,

What makes someone spiritual enemies?

Blackbird


Blackbird, this is a good question and I'm glad you provided the room for me to answer it rather than taking what I've stated in the past out of context.

As you know, I have told you that we could be spiritual enemies...could be. If you go back to when you and I first "met" on the Melanin thread you will see that that is what I said. I wanted you to know this upfront when you expressed to me about your involvement in the realm of the spirit. Also, I stressed to you that Sekhemu and I ARE friends on one level of life, but enemies on another. What did I mean by this?

Sekhemu and I could have lunch together and talk about how the Pistons whipped up on the Lakers. We could talk about things that concern the natural world around us and be in complete agreement with each other. I know this, just by the way we've conversed together on other threads. However, when it comes to the things of the spirit, the picture is totally different. Why? Because what he represents (not him personally) in the realm of the spirit world, is in opposition to what I represent. Who I represent is in total opposition to who he represents. In other words, what we represent is in total opposition and one cannot coexist with the other...peacefully. I hope this makes things a little for you. I love Sekhemu, but I do not love what he represents in the spirit world for that is in opposition to what I represent in the spirit realm with my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Light and darkness do not mix and never will. I know you are familiar with the term "spiritual warfare". As I've told you before, I am a prayer warrior, a priest. Being such, I have been given power to tear down the strongholds of the enemies presented to me. In the spirit realm, I carry a sword...all of the time. Whereas most Christians are not even aware of the spirit realm around them, I am very much aware of it. My spiritual warfare is NOT with humans, but with principalities in high places, against certain powers, against rulers of darkness and against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

The last enemy is death itself...and there will come a time when it will be no more.

Blackbird, this is a good question and I'm glad you provided the room for me to answer it rather than taking what I've stated in the past out of context.

As you know, I have told you that we could be spiritual enemies...could be. If you go back to when you and I first "met" on the Melanin thread you will see that that is what I said. I wanted you to know this upfront when you expressed to me about your involvement in the realm of the spirit. Also, I stressed to you that Sekhemu and I ARE friends on one level of life, but enemies on another. What did I mean by this?

Sekhemu and I could have lunch together and talk about how the Pistons whipped up on the Lakers. We could talk about things that concern the natural world around us and be in complete agreement with each other. I know this, just by the way we've conversed together on other threads. However, when it comes to the things of the spirit, the picture is totally different. Why? Because what he represents (not him personally) in the realm of the spirit world, is in opposition to what I represent. Who I represent is in total opposition to who he represents. In other words, what we represent is in total opposition and one cannot coexist with the other...peacefully. I hope this makes things a little for you. I love Sekhemu, but I do not love what he represents in the spirit world for that is in opposition to what I represent in the spirit realm with my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Light and darkness do not mix and never will. I know you are familiar with the term "spiritual warfare". As I've told you before, I am a prayer warrior, a priest. Being such, I have been given power to tear down the strongholds of the enemies presented to me. In the spirit realm, I carry a sword...all of the time. Whereas most Christians are not even aware of the spirit realm around them, I am very much aware of it. My spiritual warfare is NOT with humans, but with principalities in high places, against certain powers, against rulers of darkness and against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

The last enemy is death itself...and there will come a time when it will be no more.


Greetings Joyce,

You answered your own challenge to Sekhemu. Also, read what I wrote in the thread "Religious Diversity and Afrikan Input."

Blackbird

Greetings Joyce,

You answered your own challenge to Sekhemu. Also, read what I wrote in the thread "Religious Diversity and Afrikan Input."

Blackbird

Joyce wrote: "Light and darkness do not mix and never will."

Funny, night and day mix perfectly well.

Blackbird

Joyce wrote: "Light and darkness do not mix and never will."

Funny, night and day mix perfectly well.

Blackbird


What I said still stands and might I add that Light has no fellowship with darkness. You can argue by yourself about night and day mixing, I for one have never seen them coexist but if you have, hats off to you. Your response to what I answered concerning the question you put to me is as different and night and day. Somehow, I thought your response would not be as shallow as..."Funny, night and day mix perfectly well."

....hmmm. :look:

What I said still stands and might I add that Light has no fellowship with darkness. You can argue by yourself about night and day mixing, I for one have never seen them coexist but if you have, hats off to you. Your response to what I answered concerning the question you put to me is as different and night and day. Somehow, I thought your response would not be as shallow as..."Funny, night and day mix perfectly well."

....hmmm. :look:


No, Joyce. From a Christian interpretation, yes. But from a natural standpoint no. The Yin balances the Yang. For dark not to exist, there would be no light. There would be no such thing as /day/, if night and daytime did not fellowship. In life, there must always be balance. Always.

"Somehow, I thought your response would not be as shallow as...."

Lol!!! Iba e....

Ire-O!!!!
Blackbird

Joyce wrote: "In the spirit realm, I carry a sword...all of the time."

Hmm, you sound like Ogun, but I believe, especially coming from your context, you are a children of Obatala Ayaguna.

Ire-O!!! (Blessings)
Blackbird

No, Joyce. From a Christian interpretation, yes. But from a natural standpoint no. The Yin balances the Yang. For dark not to exist, there would be no light. There would be no such thing as /day/, if night and daytime did not fellowship. In life, there must always be balance. Always.

"Somehow, I thought your response would not be as shallow as...."

Lol!!! Iba e....

Ire-O!!!!
Blackbird


You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

1 Thessalonians 5:5

Joyce wrote: "In the spirit realm, I carry a sword...all of the time."

Hmm, you sound like Ogun, but I believe, especially coming from your context, you are a children of Obatala Ayaguna.

Ire-O!!! (Blessings)
Blackbird

How dare you insult me like that! I am a child of God...He is the true and living God...His Son Is Jesus...I am aligned with Him and no other. For Obatala did not sacrifice his life for me...This one did...

Isaiah 53
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was c