As we rest inside a community where different thinking i've seen us
move in the direction to depart then join hands as brothers .

What can be done to bring us moreso together as brothers
is it a myth that we just can't get alone or because of our different beliefs
or is it that we don't want to follow anothers lead ?

Whereas i notice how we continue to divide ourselves through tempers / egos
and such or from how we view there concept and perception without looking
at the bigger picture as a whole beyond individualism.

Here we are sharing this same space yet we as men and brothers are so apart
from united ways from finding faults / pointing fingers / inflicting envy .

My brothers now is our time to build ourselves up, unite our brotherhood
stand behind each others thoughts and views far beyond beliefs and our
individualism but using the keen eye to know the differents , teach the
less knowledgable one to make them stronger before casting them out as
a misfit or ignorant , Don't Ignore them help them, help me !
Let us talk about this brotherhood at Destee's how we can solve these
lines between us and promote a fellowship of us , bring black men together
without the fighting / fussing and downing a brother , it's true some of us
are far advanced in areas whereas some of us are not , working together
can uplift us all and spread outside this community to the community which
you live before long brotherhood would reach nation wide , but the task will
not be a easy ride, there will be many challenges faced but through devotion
and compassion to unite brotherly , we have to stop blamin and start claimin.

Individualism i know play an important role but by spreading it brings about
wholesom that's unification , let's be more universal in a combonation of
thinking , this will allow us all to identify ourselves and the needs to find a
solution to many of our pit falls that keep us divided into individuals voice
instead of the mighty fist of Voices Theirs proof that we all belong
but under different trees or ballons of thinking and views

Help me out brothers let's look at this question at hand and from your own
perspective how do you personally defined it.
Question:
Between beliefs and disagreement to an issue how would you bring unity
and understanding that will keep us moving upward without anger/ fighting
that will dismember the common bond between two brothers !?

It may sound backwards, but definding it in your own words would help
bring us closer together from the thinking pattern that allow the next brother
to understand why you say and do what you do , it also will kill the arguing
between us by knowing at that point knowledgable and wisdomized can be
used to help teach or show that person or brother , i say this to say i myself
has followed some brothers here who share mindful thoughts and views even
at times i see them in heated debates and fighting with words i hold them
high in Respect for as i read them they are teaching me without knowing it
in the area where i'm not ignorant at, but less knowledgable at .

See right there brought brotherhood closer even if i don't inneract with them
they have brought me closer in brotherhood not because i think they right
i took time to understand what they saying and matched it to my view and
came out with my solutional accessment where i now can give a respectable
assertion to the subject/issue or question , these are the line which we have
to use to make debates enlightful instead of arguemental that will make us
stronger in brotherhood .

I wanna talk to my brother, share with my brothers, find that peace in my
brothers and know we all working on the same goal to free ourselves from
poverty / depression and ease the deep struggle that has been inflicked upon
us as people work on solution to problems we face and have to deal with
but first we have to bring forth a united way and form a better brotherhood

come share and talk with me , join me to bring this tail spin of division to an
end , let's join forces as brothers and teach each other and for once share
laughter instead of war upon ourselves

Destee's Community brotherhood doors are open !!

Good post Brother Rich.

I don't have an answer to your question on how to maintain unity amongst disagreement, at least nothing that hasn't been stated before.

I think we should try to change the culture of the site with regards to dialogue between brothers, and take it upon ourselves to check ANY discussion between us when it BEGINS to turn personal, not after the damage is done.

I notice this happens with regard to other issues. IR discussions get checked pronto because we're all tired of them. If you come on here hating on black people you get checked.

We (brothers) should check each other just the same when we've lowered an exchange from discussion or debate down to destructive argueing.

If one hasn't mastered the art of expressing opinions without attacking others he should be encouraged to do so....much more forcefully than we are doing now, and without regard to whether we happen to agree with the attackers opinions.

Thank you brother Kemetkind for responding while you have no answers
you have provided information useful to Brothering us by looking
deeper at threads between brothers bringing them here to discuss
the issues and sharing different views of solutions to resolve things

We have to vast ourselves from the personal act to a joint act as
brothers , you are right and on point i agree we have to tackle the
problem before it get out of hand , so when we see this don't sit back
and watch but step in and grap your brother's hand help smooth the lumps
this how we can stop the argueing and bond closer in brotherhood

I can't agree more we are moreso tired of the IR talk here that has taken
much of our time and focus off us to better our unity we'll let the mods
handle those things and end that disruption , as we focus on us as men
we have to check ourselves watch what we say and respect each other.

Let's look deeper into DISAGREEMENTS
to disagree don't mean to prove them wrong or argue how right you are
but look at both sides of the matter surely in each statement you can
fine the reason , and render self from inflicting into judgemental / argueing
this maybe where one is weak at on that topic , right away allow self to
try and teach one what's right through windows of reality and truth cause
we have some brothers here who are very advanced in subjects

Every man's opinion is worthy to listen too , disagreeing don't mean fight
just share why you disagree and what you feel or know is right this will
allow the brother or brothers to view both sides and match them with there
own view of it then we can defined to an solution by using understanding
why both sides say this or that !

What you have added has open my mind up more as i study the facts
of disagreement and a common solution thank you brother kemetkind

keep talking to me, keep the communication line open
as we BROTHERHOOD ourselves into one whole at destee's

where are the men at ???
come talk to me in brotherhooding .

Interesting that brother don't want to talk and build brotherhood !

How hard is it for us men to talk and find self love and unity to Brotherhood ?

My apologies for missing this thread earlier......

Count me in. The biggest problem I have sometimes with Brotherhoods with Black men, is that we are easily compromised, by the presence of a woman.

Sisters will often stand in solidarity, when it comes to their perspectives on things, especially regarding their thoughts/ideas on men.

However, at the mere presence of a woman, many Brothers will "changed their tune", and even leave their Brethren "to the wolves" if it means having to compromise (what he thinks is) his "chance" with that woman.

I've seen that all too many times--even on here.

As METHOD MAN said:

"Am I my Brother's Keeper? There's no need to ask........"

Let's represent one another in sincerity.

PEACE

Great post RICH...your level of humility is always encouraging.
I agree. There needs to be a bit more tolerance between us here online and in the streets. It's like sometimes I see we will let a white boy off the hook, but will shoot the brother for some small slight.

I've seen brothers here just go off on someone just because of differences in philosophy or viewpoint. Sometimes, we need to step back, allow the brother his beliefs and just keep it moving. I try to practice that here and in the streets.

Overall, we have to consider that we for centuries have been taught to hate other black men. To not to trust black men. Until we beat off this yoke of conditioning, we will continue to treat each other badly.

I really think this should be a topic of discussion for all of us.

SAMURE136..I agree and understand this why it's such a need to
brotherhood and help the weak links get stronger and pose
a better mindset , we now going to focus on us as brothers
let's talk moreso beyond what sistas would say this where our
strong will comes to play . Man I truely Thank you for willing to
join forces of brotherhood , we have to do this and bring ourselves
to a unity before we can truely get our sistas to understand us
better and fully .

abstract219... Yes you are correct where i agree that tolerance
between us as men are needed more now then ever , stop blasting
your brother and try to understand his views and why he think that way
this will help enlighten us all , we have to raise the bars and step above
the belief but also respect it to form a better Brotherhood, where we can
share our common goals / faults / to recondition ourselves as men and
brothers , if we can't trust our brother who can we trust this has been a
major void , don't feel one is ignorant but un-aware of what's true we
have come up in a society that has brainwashed us all to thinking against
one another but we also have made some changes with knowledge left
before us to learn and the wisdom to spread it all , it will never be an easy
task when so many of us has been programed ...

Before going into fight mold , to set to argue an issue ask why one think
it's right or betterment check out the viewpoint of it and match it with
your own and come back to express your findings talk about it and keep
the bonding of lovin thy brother in mind .

I truely thank you for speaking out, if we all keep the communication line
open and try to reason by seeking solutions / share laughter / pain on a
daily we can bond a brotherhood like never before, let us come together
guys and talk moreso on a daily about things to better ourselves and the
problems we deal with and listen when the next brother have a solution
for it or have something to share .......let's get focus !

Keep talking i see improvement already this thread is not a one hit
wonder but a life time discussion for DESTEE.COM BROTHERHOOD

Again thankz guys
your Brother in da hood

through out my life i have solved my issues with brothers by being a lone wolf.
i saw myself as an alpha male and every other brother as a rival.
i was challenged by M. Kerenga to join some where and cooperate. that is why i joined Destee in the first place.
i have actually spent my time as a member learning how NOT to fight.

so Rich is correct. we got to learn how to trust each other and to live up to that trust we are granted.
this can be a great resource for the younger cats to get knowledge from. we got to get along.

What i love most is the honesty of why we are the way we are as men
I too had a deep trust thing going on where i didn't trust not only brothers
but everybody outside my own space which had me lock in individualism

but at the same time i saw how we was falling apart dividing from the african way
i knew then if there was going to be a change i had to make it first to understand
my brothers to tolerated them .

I too have use this way to solve many issues but i also found that talking to another
brother on it can enlight me even more after i have the pleasure to see it from a
different prespective , i also learn to be open helps release what's held inside so i don't
act out on my own people ....I've notice many and from that i've seen how you handle
many issues Bro James but know you not out there alone there is somewhere brothers
willing and with you if you trust in them moreso then just giving trust which is a hard
task for many of us , I use judgement from my own feelings and by what a brother say
his action and what he express that help me know if they can be trusted and how real
that are to the cause of what we face daily and the solution was to come together in
a peaceful bond to unify BROTHERHOOD as men in one community , Respecting our
brothers mean respecting ourselves as men and the teaching from experiences / facts
and the love to see the next brother rise this will be good infomation for not only the
youth but men who was lacking such knowledge all this brotherhood would be an great
exhibit too all . It's a must that we Brotherhood in peace as men.
Bro.James Thanks for sharing and dropping your voice to this cause
I look forward to hearing more from you as we bond here we all trust worthy
just been sailing in different ships time we ride the tides together and make a change.

Keep talking guys we going in the right direction now i see some light
keep the communication line open to discuss our inner selves and what we
see or feel and what can continue to bring us together as men and brothers
face our faults and find solutions.....

DESTEE.COM BROTHERHOOD

Brother O, I wouldn't place any blame on the moderators for what happened in Brothers chat.

I take that blame.

This was the sequence.

We got a little momentum going, I saw the momentum start to taper, I heard whisperings the project forum wasn't really approved, I was one of the first to experience the IP issues that eventually plagued the whole site, and rather than me first getting the facts I assumed the worst and pulled the project site and moved away from the whole thing.

It truly was my impatience and lack of trust, none of which the moderators here had anything to do with. Most of them supported what we were trying to do.

That is part of our problem we are to fast and set to back out
waiting on the next brother to step up or make a move for us
Brotherhood don't require any number two can take it very serious
and make brotherhood work , when and everytime it seem we are
moving in the right direction
1 Negativity is all it takes we are quick to ride the boat under negative
construction and often then none many rolls that boat this where we start
our break down , then the true and serious brothers get tired and walk away
from it all , brother chat crashed because of these same reasons

2 under good leadership and brother who are willing this could become a very
insightful thread for us all as men if we stay focus then no way will it be closed
that happen when we fuss / fight and argue like children over thing we can and
should be able to work out within ourselves .

I feel you and understand and thanks for speaking your honesty

Now beyond that Brotherhooding together don't have to have a group
moderators to work just brothers who are willingly and ready to lay aside
personal individualism and want to work together beyond arguing or cutting
his brother down , we leave Negativity outside our brothering to build together
and understand each other , we have to start somewhere if i can get not 5 but 3
or 2 other true brothers with me on this then i can take it to the next level as we
continue to move in a positive direction i'm sure others will join in the unity of us as
men , brother Omowalejabali it really don't take much to move in a uplifting direction
which i'm aim to try , but i truely understand your point from all the past failure at this

What i've seen this far looks good better and maybe a lot of brother haven't seen this
yet but all it take is a few to get it moving and this thread is one to see where many
of the brother at , what they think or feel and are they ready to make that step to
stop the drama against each other use some positive force open mind and Respect
the next brother viewpoint without crashing down on them , I have to try to accomplish
this task with or without all my brothers here at Destee.com

I hope in the near future you can see some improvement and on the upswing
and that you may come brotherhood with us , your input will not go un-notice
why we fail so at this task and continue to be divided brothers .
Until then brother be safe and peace be still in harmony and thank you.

we all have a few flaws in it , i had some as well
that lack of trust is one of the biggest problem we have as brother we don't want
to put trust in each other but we need to change give room to a person to move
and prove themselves that we are for the good . We all felt something and pulled
away i myself drop off because it seem like nobody was real about it and willing
to stay focus so i turn my back but now i see i made a major mistake in doing so
this why i'm back even stronger to see us through and to share thing with my brothers
get inputs and advice it's a driving force i have to see us working together for a change
a betterment and understanding beyond fighting all the time we have to start somewhere
if not but two then so be it as long as we are improving surely the link will grow .

keep talking to me , keep the communication line open

we all have a few flaws in it , i had some as well
that lack of trust is one of the biggest problem we have as brother we don't want
to put trust in each other but we need to change give room to a person to move
and prove themselves that we are for the good . We all felt something and pulled
away i myself drop off because it seem like nobody was real about it and willing
to stay focus so i turn my back but now i see i made a major mistake in doing so
this why i'm back even stronger to see us through and to share thing with my brothers
get inputs and advice it's a driving force i have to see us working together for a change
a betterment and understanding beyond fighting all the time we have to start somewhere
if not but two then so be it as long as we are improving surely the link will grow .

keep talking to me , keep the communication line open


you know there are some things that i wish i could share with you openly, some things i really feel need to be discussed OPENLY AND HONESTLY but i refrain from doing so...for fear of "banishment" in doing so...and I dont reveal to often my "fear" so i remain in silence on some things and what i am regretful about is the fact that i cannot share OPENLY these feelings....this is what makes things difficult for me...the manner in which some of my honest FEELINGS have been dealt with and how i have been ostracised in the past for simply being totally HONEST...so on some issues i now find best to hold my tongue.....carefully studying what has happened to others who "lost it" and had less restraint...

in a relatively short period of aboout 6 years i have done quite a bit of travelling in cyberspace...and have had similar experience in a number of "black sites"..i am also aware of the power struggles and in-fighting that has occured and how this has affected a "shared" membership in some cases....i am sure i dont need to elaborate any further....so, all i ask is keep in mind some relatively RECENT situations which have dampered some of our Spirits and do without minimizing the effects of these "internal divisions"....they run deep and have wounded many a spirit...

peace!

Big ups to you brother and i understand the work load and the silent tongue
i have took time to reflect on much of our past history and the egos that flairs
the power struggle and i watch us fall / divide more from many situations at hand

Now i'm seeking solution for them , while i know some won't be easy
i surely will pay your community a visit to share neighboring as brothers
i will drop a email from time to time , i respect your honesty and realsm
as i try to cling our problem and bring back the spirit we should have ...

I hope everything come together for us both in what we trying to do
i too wish you great success.

Brother O can you post the links to your sites that are doing the building so we know about them?

Better yet why not get them permanently linked to Destee.com since premium members are entitled to do so?

It really sad me how i watch my brothers continue to cut at each other
instead of uplifting or reaching a common solution to disagreements at hand
we all want to be right , we all want to have the last say seem like the men
are just pitted into the mold of destruction to each other , until all the bad apples
are plucked we will never have peace / harmony or anykind of unity........How sad.

It really sad me how i watch my brothers continue to cut at each other
instead of uplifting or reaching a common solution to disagreements at hand
we all want to be right , we all want to have the last say seem like the men
are just pitted into the mold of destruction to each other , until all the bad apples
are plucked we will never have peace / harmony or anykind of unity........How sad.

Quite frankly,


I am done trying to contribute to Building Unity and, in turn, being treated like "the enemy".



peace!

It really sad me how i watch my brothers continue to cut at each other
instead of uplifting or reaching a common solution to disagreements at hand
we all want to be right , we all want to have the last say seem like the men
are just pitted into the mold of destruction to each other , until all the bad apples
are plucked we will never have peace / harmony or anykind of unity........How sad.

Brother Rich-

I feel that we will have to discuss something like this in private. Some of these Brothas in the Family I always felt that I could sit down, and talk with, basically when I am going through something. I feel that when someone like myself has a problem, mis-understanding, or something, I could go to some of them. Interestingly enough, I don't have too many problems, or any of the above mentioned. However, I see and you see that evidentally, nothing is being solved publicly. What do you plan to do to end this? The fact is it could come to an end, but how many people want the madness to come to an end? When you decide, you know where to find me.

CD06

Quute frankly,


I am done trying to contribute to Building Unity and, in turn, being treated like "the enemy".

peace!

Brother O-

After studying many of your posts, I wish there was a better way for me to communicate with you. If there is - let me know.

I am not saying this to put you in the mood, because honestly, it irks me when all of my strong, steel Black minds are divided by a plastic knife! I seek to put this to an end...do you?

CD06

Brother O-

After studying many of your posts, I wish there was a better way for me to communicate with you. If there is - let me know.

I am not saying this to put you in the mood, because honestly, it irks me when all of my strong, steel Black minds are divided by a plastic knife! I seek to put this to an end...do you?

CD06

Brother Cedric,

Right now I have no answers for you. Repeatedly I have not only spoken to but strived to work towards SOLUTIONS.

However, It is my "feeling" that I am wasting time.

Personally, I do NOT "SEE" US being divided by "a plastic knife"

Quite the opposite!

What I SEE is a growing rift in the "Black" community and while I SEE the need for "allies" I also SEE that many "Black" people are short-sighted and are LOSING GROUND......for one, politically...

Brother "Omowale Jabali" is NOT merely a "screen name". I am, and have been part of a LIBERATION MOVEMENT since the Soweto Uprising 30 years ago!

I have "FAMILY" that fought for and achieved Liberation during the past 30 years in Nicaragua, Angola, Mozambique, Namibia, Zibabwe and Azania (South Africa)...


When I speak of "Blackness" or "Black people" it is within a SPECIFIC CONTEXT of a Liberation MOVEMENT as articulated by a National Liberation Organization of AFRICAN PEOPLE and this Ideology of BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS achieved LIBERATION with the Unity and Solidarity between AFRICAN PEOPLE along with non-African People, in Solidarity.

When in the process of attempting to BUILD UNITY and I am confronted with "slander", "rumor" and "innuendo" that falsely asserts, or implies that I am "the enemy" it indicates to me just how far these POLITICAL REACTIONARIES are "alienated" and "marginalized" from the current of Modern, African Revolutionary Thought and Practice...

Of course, as I was previously WARNED about this "reality" as any TRUE REVOLUTIONARY I had to experience for myself this counter-revolutionary "ideology"...

When I first joined this site a few years ago I came using the screen name "Omowale X"...

If one does a web search, as I have done, my WORD is my BOND and My WORD is linked not only to this site, but to others which I need to FOCUS more on breaking HIGHER GROUND!

peace!

If you REALLY wish there was a better way to communicate with me, I am not difficult to find. Like I said, I am not merely a "screen name". I have a VERY LONG TRACK RECORD of Service in Educating African Youth and that is something that no one here or any one else can take away from me....


For MONTHS in my signature I had links to three different web sites, all my own....did you ever notice or check with me then???


later brother...remember that health advise I gave you because who knows how much longer it will be available!

Brother Rich-

I feel that we will have to discuss something like this in private. Some of these Brothas in the Family I always felt that I could sit down, and talk with, basically when I am going through something. I feel that when someone like myself has a problem, mis-understanding, or something, I could go to some of them. Interestingly enough, I don't have too many problems, or any of the above mentioned. However, I see and you see that evidentally, nothing is being solved publicly. What do you plan to do to end this? The fact is it could come to an end, but how many people want the madness to come to an end? When you decide, you know where to find me.

CD06

The solutions and answers are yet found , i will not give up or in to what i've
witness of many of the brothers here in this community if i have to try one
by one to change the thinking and the egos and anger that is shown toward
the next brother i will , i know there is BROTHERHOOD within here just some
outright hard stubbon men who are set in there own ways and mold and refuse
to change them because of how they was raised / beliefs / and other means
but unity is half the battle here men have pose'd so much negativity that it
hurts , we seek to argue fuss and fight at every hand laid down , if we was
loaded guns we would be wiped out already

Publicly we need to talk more to see and hear and feel the problems within us
to express them and come within minds for solution

My plan is a fore going one where i am starting to piece much of problems
together from the many text i read and who are the pointers / the makers
the willingly one and the hackers that keeping us on this alert mold
i am working on one to bring to the table , again the key is who are willing
and want it to end ...........I sure do because i'm seeking unity & brotherhood
where we can share and talk about our every day struggles / problems and
what troubles or have one upset or in an anger mold to bite at another .....

when i do i will surely let you know but at this time it's only work in the making.
Peace & Harmony Cedric Densonthank you for voicing to hopefully brotherhood .

Brother O, who among us hasn't gotten frustrated at one thread or another, and questioned the time spent time on a discussion board where you can get so emotionally engaged.

But something keeps bringing us back. That something, I believe, is the collective spirit of the black souls in this place.

We need you Brother O; as a revolutionary I'm sure you've dealt with disagreements, both petty and significant, many times before, so dealing with us here should be cake for you.

If you were truly the enemy bro, you wouldn't come back here, and you wouldn't be welcomed here. We've all seen how quick enemy get bounced up outta here.

If you are leading a revolution where everyone has to think exactly like you on every issue it's not likely to have too many black folk up in it, since we're such a diverse lot.

The challenge for our GROWTH, no matter how long our track record is, involves respecting the opinions of our BROTHERS, finding ways to disagree without being so vicious. I'm a work a progress in this regard as well brother, but everytime I've felt like giving up, something within refuses to let me do so.

Peace Brother.

Brother O...... I can relate , trust me it seem i'm being ignored
displaced and not heard but i am seek the answers to that where
many will hear me , i have to try and uplift the brothers here with
somekind of solutional goals , to how we treat each other as men

but i can feel you and respect your position at hand , just don't give up on me
just yet i have a working plan in effect yet not all the details figured out yet......

Bare with me Brother and i will contact you.
Peace & Harmony

Thankz Kimetkind because it's true we need Brother O !
we need you and every brother here to come sit down and work our differents out
build a betterment to our tomorrow, we all have something the next man can use
we all have a voice, and no man is greater then the Brotherhood we can bring here

there is a plan in the works to reach my brothers on a personal note just not
perfected yet .

Keep Talking Brothers we need to !

I try I try I try....:lift:

CD

it would be beautiful to see us greet each other without the grittin,jonin and such,but such things have been slowly ingrained in us for over 400 yrs in this country,yes it's that old boogaboo-self hatred and we all have it in us[sadly]perhaps the day will come when black men can get together all across this land and talk-laugh with instead of at each other,but until that day comes we are what we are a people divided amongst ourselves,we want so much in our heart to love our own but we just can't over the long haul..it's like when some of us go to church on sunday after being out allnight drinkin and partying at the club,ya'll know what i'm talkin about we get up and take whatever home remedy we know to releave that hangover and we stutt on off to hear the word,and when the pastor speaks on the evils of dancin and drinkin we make a vow right then and there that it's no more for me...until saturday night rolls around,see what i mean folks it's hard to UNLEARN a habit.

it would be beautiful to see us greet each other without the grittin,jonin and such,but such things have been slowly ingrained in us for over 400 yrs in this country,yes it's that old boogaboo-self hatred and we all have it in us[sadly]perhaps the day will come when black men can get together all across this land and talk-laugh with instead of at each other,but until that day comes we are what we are a people divided amongst ourselves,we want so much in our heart to love our own but we just can't over the long haul..it's like when some of us go to church on sunday after being out allnight drinkin and partying at the club,ya'll know what i'm talkin about we get up and take whatever home remedy we know to releave that hangover and we stutt on off to hear the word,and when the pastor speaks on the evils of dancin and drinkin we make a vow right then and there that it's no more for me...until saturday night rolls around,see what i mean folks it's hard to UNLEARN a habit.


sho u rite!

If one's go deeper within themselves they can beat this and
change those habits and learn how to keep a goal in mind
to reach the next level to understanding the full core ..........

But i see your point clearly and it's no joke how we can't let go
the drama and what has held us back for so long , the worse thing
one can do is give up or give in to defeat , this will one long battle .
Thankz for your imput and words to help understand why we can't and won't.

Peace & Harmony in brotherhood

Quite frankly,


I am done trying to contribute to Building Unity and, in turn, being treated like "the enemy".



peace!


"I'm not going to be in anybody's straightjacket. I don't care what a person looks like or where they come from. My mind is wide open to anybody who will help get the ape off our backs."

word up , i hear ya brother on that !

word up , i hear ya brother on that !

Thank you Brother Rich!

You are a TRUE BROTHER!

Peace and ONE Love!

Likewise Brother O.

Now can i hear from more men in this community
wait !!!
let me call y'all out are you afraid to unify , hub together afraid to be beat out
of morals or be proven wrong ???

what keep you from joining hands the dislike of another brother ??
your belief or just your selfish in-di-vid-ual-ism ???

Don't every brother in the destee community answer me all at once but answer if u will !

PEACE & HARMONY
Unify the unity to unite
BROTHERHOOD

through out my life i have solved my issues with brothers by being a lone wolf.
i saw myself as an alpha male and every other brother as a rival.
i was challenged by M. Kerenga to join some where and cooperate. that is why i joined Destee in the first place.
i have actually spent my time as a member learning how NOT to fight.

so Rich is correct. we got to learn how to trust each other and to live up to that trust we are granted.
this can be a great resource for the younger cats to get knowledge from. we got to get along.

I know this is a Brother's thread and stuff ... but i just had to give some love to the post above!

Brother James Brother James Brother James ... :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: ... you warm my heart!

:heart:

Destee

hummmm !
I guess this a dead issue

Big Thankz to all who have visit or replyed to this .

The essential question is unity amongst whom and for what purpose.

If I'm trying to unify with those who think the definition of black men includes all human males I'm setting myself up for failure...since obviously my goals (as one who considers that definition laughable) cannot possibly be aligned with theirs.


Further, if I have no specific goal other than peaceful dialogue then whether a so-called unity exists or not doesn't matter too much one way or the other. All thats really needed is brothers refining their ability to enter messages on a bulletin board without ticking people off.

You don't need unity to chat, other message boards all over the net are proof of that.

Likewise Brother O.

Now can i hear from more men in this community
wait !!!
let me call y'all out are you afraid to unify , hub together afraid to be beat out
of morals or be proven wrong ???

what keep you from joining hands the dislike of another brother ??
your belief or just your selfish in-di-vid-ual-ism ???

Don't every brother in the destee community answer me all at once but answer if u will !

PEACE & HARMONY
Unify the unity to unite
BROTHERHOOD

Like I said brother, some folks have nothing to offer by way of solutions. They just constantly criticize, hate and never do more than "cheap talk". I'm sure you can feel what i'm saying at this point!

ONE LOVE FAMILY!

Thankz kemetkind for your words and insight to the matter .

Thankz Omowalejabali for your words and surely i do .

let try it again my bruthas to build a trust and foundation to join as one
as men to a brotherhood .................................................. ..............

This is an excellent thread, so you think that we should start a new one with maybe with a "Part II" added to the title, and cutting and pasting?

Or do you think some of these men will rejoin the topic?

we could work from here or add and direct brother back to this one
give all a chance to have a voice and from here we can move back into chat
with a plain or a scope of a direction , i think men will revisit it when they see it

Greetings to my Breathren

I am new to this forum and equally felt the call to Brotherhood.
I think it can be done, at least on this site, progressively with patience and diligence. I know it sounds clich'e-ish but alot of bro's and sistas out there feel like their core beliefs are the same as material objects that they have to possess or defend. Some of us have gone through several debates within our own cranial capacity to polish our individual foundations (for years) and are very intimate with them. It's going to take some refined brothers to stave off the sarcasm and brutal assertiveness just to nurture these type of individuals(myself at times) in a way where the focus (which is the dissemination of pertainent info) is not compromised. I read a bro. post earlier in the thread about clearly defining what the nexus of "Brotherhood" is and how many of us have differing perspectives (affinities) to that definition. Mine is "Maat" as it is gleaned through the internalization of the Paut Neteru. That is my Foundation within my marriage. If we are to form a "BrotherHood" we have to atleast know where everyone stands and their possible limitations or strengths, in regards to others, before real dialogue takes place.

Appreciate being in your cypher.

As we rest inside a community where different thinking i've seen us
move in the direction to depart then join hands as brothers .

What can be done to bring us moreso together as brothers
is it a myth that we just can't get alone or because of our different beliefs
or is it that we don't want to follow anothers lead ?

Whereas i notice how we continue to divide ourselves through tempers / egos
and such or from how we view there concept and perception without looking
at the bigger picture as a whole beyond individualism.

Here we are sharing this same space yet we as men and brothers are so apart
from united ways from finding faults / pointing fingers / inflicting envy .

My brothers now is our time to build ourselves up, unite our brotherhood
stand behind each others thoughts and views far beyond beliefs and our
individualism but using the keen eye to know the differents , teach the
less knowledgable one to make them stronger before casting them out as
a misfit or ignorant , Don't Ignore them help them, help me !
Let us talk about this brotherhood at Destee's how we can solve these
lines between us and promote a fellowship of us , bring black men together
without the fighting / fussing and downing a brother , it's true some of us
are far advanced in areas whereas some of us are not , working together
can uplift us all and spread outside this community to the community which
you live before long brotherhood would reach nation wide , but the task will
not be a easy ride, there will be many challenges faced but through devotion
and compassion to unite brotherly , we have to stop blamin and start claimin.

Individualism i know play an important role but by spreading it brings about
wholesom that's unification , let's be more universal in a combonation of
thinking , this will allow us all to identify ourselves and the needs to find a
solution to many of our pit falls that keep us divided into individuals voice
instead of the mighty fist of Voices Theirs proof that we all belong
but under different trees or ballons of thinking and views

Help me out brothers let's look at this question at hand and from your own
perspective how do you personally defined it.
Question:
Between beliefs and disagreement to an issue how would you bring unity
and understanding that will keep us moving upward without anger/ fighting
that will dismember the common bond between two brothers !?

It may sound backwards, but definding it in your own words would help
bring us closer together from the thinking pattern that allow the next brother
to understand why you say and do what you do , it also will kill the arguing
between us by knowing at that point knowledgable and wisdomized can be
used to help teach or show that person or brother , i say this to say i myself
has followed some brothers here who share mindful thoughts and views even
at times i see them in heated debates and fighting with words i hold them
high in Respect for as i read them they are teaching me without knowing it
in the area where i'm not ignorant at, but less knowledgable at .

See right there brought brotherhood closer even if i don't inneract with them
they have brought me closer in brotherhood not because i think they right
i took time to understand what they saying and matched it to my view and
came out with my solutional accessment where i now can give a respectable
assertion to the subject/issue or question , these are the line which we have
to use to make debates enlightful instead of arguemental that will make us
stronger in brotherhood .

I wanna talk to my brother, share with my brothers, find that peace in my
brothers and know we all working on the same goal to free ourselves from
poverty / depression and ease the deep struggle that has been inflicked upon
us as people work on solution to problems we face and have to deal with
but first we have to bring forth a united way and form a better brotherhood

come share and talk with me , join me to bring this tail spin of division to an
end , let's join forces as brothers and teach each other and for once share
laughter instead of war upon ourselves

Destee's Community brotherhood doors are open !!

First of all brother Rich I want to thank you for not only opening this back up but also for your leadership within this community. You have held steadfast while many others have come and gone. And a major part of our problem is a lack of continuity among our leadership, in and out of this community. I think that a lot of emphasis tends to be focused on brothers and how we dont get along with each other, but this is symptomatic of the deepening rift between Black men and women.
Black men are systematically attacked at all levels even within our own homes. And one thing that tends to be ignored is how Black women feed into this problem. As if they have no role in what is going on with us. It is increasingly difficult for me to involve myself in a community where the WARRIOR is reduced to playing lip service to upliftment of Black people but is treated as a superflous appendage at the same time. So many have come and gone. So many have been banned at time it seems like an oppressive atmosphere exists tantamount to intellectual apartheid where if one does not follow the party line one is banished like the Black revolutionaries were in South Africa. When an Elder who is at the same time a moderator decides to freely go back to the very same site of another former member who was once instrumental in not only building, but also dividing the membership of this site, then something is inherently wrong which needs to be fixed within. Since I have been told this is a "good thing" as people can freely "come and go as they please" there remains little incentive to stay and participate in "building" in a community which has slain its own warriors to silence their RAGE and DISSENT, both of which are simply expressions of their oppression.
Peace...

I could not agree with you more here, i'm sure we can reach this common
goal with patience we have to understand our reason of Brotherhood
we must first build trust and respect the next brothers views his position
his limitation belief as well his plan these are the tools we have to work
with to bring us together .
Right now we can be helpful to ourselves through another brothers words
i am happy you here and willing to Brotherhood to better our grounds as
men .
When we talk of Brotherhood i've notice how many defind it differently
when united into a unity by giving a chance to be heard make us stronger
thank you for voicing here and willing to help grow , we must build our
foundation i know we can make a change a different .
welcome to the new beginning continue to share what can be done to bring
us men more together beyond war upon ourselves .

Peace & Harmony
bro. MenNefer

well said and i can fully understand your point and position
many of our brothers have displayed greatness while acting
under foolishness which lead to banning or leaving i too feel
the hardship of us in this window maze , this lead me to even
moreso return to bring us together on a different level so our
women can see us for who we are and what we stand for and
not this myth they are being fed our voices will be what we need
but in a togetherness to uplift us from this dark oppressive way
from past history men have steped backward instead leading , well
time we make a step forward allow me time to show you reasons to
Brotherhood to understand why the sword was slung widely and how
we now can advance by joining to build a wholesome foundation .

Allow me time to remove all battle scars of past history and open
where men can voice themselves as true worriors in Brotherhood .

I Thank you dearly for your honesty and reality picture here and i
see through that window painted before me , let's become stronger
take our places and wear the CROWN are you with me OmowaleX ?

well said and i can fully understand your point and position
many of our brothers have displayed greatness while acting
under foolishness which lead to banning or leaving i too feel
the hardship of us in this window maze , this lead me to even
moreso return to bring us together on a different level so our
women can see us for who we are and what we stand for and
not this myth they are being fed our voices will be what we need
but in a togetherness to uplift us from this dark oppressive way
from past history men have steped backward instead leading , well
time we make a step forward allow me time to show you reasons to
Brotherhood to understand why the sword was slung widely and how
we now can advance by joining to build a wholesome foundation .

Allow me time to remove all battle scars of past history and open
where men can voice themselves as true worriors in Brotherhood .

I Thank you dearly for your honesty and reality picture here and i
see through that window painted before me , let's become stronger
take our places and wear the CROWN are you with me OmowaleX ?


Yes, brother, Im with you, for the moment.
I will just leave it at that for now.
Peace.

Greetings to my Breathren

I am new to this forum and equally felt the call to Brotherhood.
I think it can be done, at least on this site, progressively with patience and diligence. I know it sounds clich'e-ish but alot of bro's and sistas out there feel like their core beliefs are the same as material objects that they have to possess or defend. Some of us have gone through several debates within our own cranial capacity to polish our individual foundations (for years) and are very intimate with them. It's going to take some refined brothers to stave off the sarcasm and brutal assertiveness just to nurture these type of individuals(myself at times) in a way where the focus (which is the dissemination of pertainent info) is not compromised. I read a bro. post earlier in the thread about clearly defining what the nexus of "Brotherhood" is and how many of us have differing perspectives (affinities) to that definition. Mine is "Maat" as it is gleaned through the internalization of the Paut Neteru. That is my Foundation within my marriage. If we are to form a "BrotherHood" we have to atleast know where everyone stands and their possible limitations or strengths, in regards to others, before real dialogue takes place.

Appreciate being in your cypher. Exactly! Well stated brotha!

What are the intended purpose or goal of this. I sense a great deal of exceptional an talented brothas here, that could and want to do great things.

I really do. Keeping this positive all we need is for a indentifiable objective and mission statement and whammo. We can start a movement!
Peace and Be Blessed!

First of all brother Rich I want to thank you for not only opening this back up but also for your leadership within this community. You have held steadfast while many others have come and gone. And a major part of our problem is a lack of continuity among our leadership, in and out of this community. I think that a lot of emphasis tends to be focused on brothers and how we dont get along with each other, but this is symptomatic of the deepening rift between Black men and women.
Black men are systematically attacked at all levels even within our own homes. And one thing that tends to be ignored is how Black women feed into this problem. As if they have no role in what is going on with us. It is increasingly difficult for me to involve myself in a community where the WARRIOR is reduced to playing lip service to upliftment of Black people but is treated as a superflous appendage at the same time. So many have come and gone. So many have been banned at time it seems like an oppressive atmosphere exists tantamount to intellectual apartheid where if one does not follow the party line one is banished like the Black revolutionaries were in South Africa. When an Elder who is at the same time a moderator decides to freely go back to the very same site of another former member who was once instrumental in not only building, but also dividing the membership of this site, then something is inherently wrong which needs to be fixed within. Since I have been told this is a "good thing" as people can freely "come and go as they please" there remains little incentive to stay and participate in "building" in a community which has slain its own warriors to silence their RAGE and DISSENT, both of which are simply expressions of their oppression.
Peace...

Are they banished forever brotha? Continuity is a problem in the black community. For every two parent home, you have three single parent dwellings. For every well taken cared for child,you have too many abused children.

,,,And you're saying there has been brothers with omnificience knowledge just kicked to the curb? Dang!

Peace, and Be Blessed!

That is not true robboy knowledgeable brothers created there own fate
which remove them from here by there own action and dismay.............

The core mission here is to Build brotherhood by trusting each other by
teaching the morals of manhood to our youths Fatherhood dealing with
our every day problems as black men discussing how we deal with it
finding a solution sharing common intrest, brotherhooding to build a plan
for our future coming together to use a tool of investing , setting up a learning
stage to understand our history our true culture and take back our place as men
leaders of our homes surely the purpose is forth going and wide that we must
look into from the window which we are delt , we find reason to reverse a growth
beyond reason to Brotherhood it's truely plain to see that it's needed, a mission
to be stated once we can come together as men by stepping to the forefronts ..

We have cross paths of why and what we feel about it but yet to say let's do it
maybe we just not ready yet to stand up and become our own leader or maybe
we still have such an high ego or wraped in our own individualism to see outside
self space or the need to unite......I'll keep trying Brothers .....what a task !

That is not true robboy knowledgeable brothers created there own fate
which remove them from here by there own action and dismay.............

The core mission here is to Build brotherhood by trusting each other by
teaching the morals of manhood to our youths Fatherhood dealing with
our every day problems as black men discussing how we deal with it
finding a solution sharing common intrest, brotherhooding to build a plan
for our future coming together to use a tool of investing , setting up a learning
stage to understand our history our true culture and take back our place as men
leaders of our homes surely the purpose is forth going and wide that we must
look into from the window which we are delt , we find reason to reverse a growth
beyond reason to Brotherhood it's truely plain to see that it's needed, a mission
to be stated once we can come together as men by stepping to the forefronts ..

We have cross paths of why and what we feel about it but yet to say let's do it
maybe we just not ready yet to stand up and become our own leader or maybe
we still have such an high ego or wraped in our own individualism to see outside
self space or the need to unite......I'll keep trying Brothers .....what a task !


In a way I agree. Sometimes we display tremendous amounts of KNOWLEDGE but lack WISDOM in how we deal with particular situations. Sometimes we dont know when to "disengage" from certain arguments and pay the cost for for our convictions when sometimes it is best to "curb the enthusiasm" or to be less emotive and more contemplative in our responses.
The one thing I think is important that tends to get lost is this thing known as FATHERHOOD.

I will be totally honest. It is almost impossible for me to relate to any Black MAN that has never experienced what I find to me the MOST CHALLENGING aspect of being a Black MAN.

It is from this SHARED EXPERIENCE that Brothers grow together and become ELDERS.

I have friends from childhood that I have political differences with but I can go years without being in their presence then attend a "reunion" and it is as if we have been together all through time because we have children who have grown or are growing into adulthood, which has enriched our lives and when we get together we share our WISDOM with each other, regardless of some of the differences in our educational and "class" backgrounds.

And, as time goes on, each reunion is more significant because we have SURVIVED while others are no longer with us to SHARE our comman experience.

I have gotten to the point that TRUST is no longer an issue for me as it is for others because lack of trust tends to bring an extra burden of anxiety, paranoia and FEAR.

I can work with someone towards a goal irrespective of trust. I believe what is more important is a mutual respect which can conquer a lack of trust.

However, a lack of common respect for each is an insurmountalbe stumbling block which needs to be destroyed.

You my brother have hit it on the head , yes RESPECT to thy fellow brother
is the key to building and i totally agree Fatherhood plays a role beyond any
reason, your honesty is welcome and i bow to that this block we throw up is
our own that we must learn to let go , set aside and see the forth going need
to come as one , I can and willingly to work with any brother to learn / teach
and move forward side by side to better us as men to have stronger home bound
structure i always tell my boys about the morals of being a man reaching manhood
and how Fatherhood should be .
This why Brotherhood is needed of us so badly we are so divided and apart as black
men i too have learn to sit aside any trust factor that will limp me from growth.
Thank u so much bro OmowaleX

In a way I agree. Sometimes we display tremendous amounts of KNOWLEDGE but lack WISDOM in how we deal with particular situations. Sometimes we dont know when to "disengage" from certain arguments and pay the cost for for our convictions when sometimes it is best to "curb the enthusiasm" or to be less emotive and more contemplative in our responses.
The one thing I think is important that tends to get lost is this thing known as FATHERHOOD.

I will be totally honest. It is almost impossible for me to relate to any Black MAN that has never experienced what I find to me the MOST CHALLENGING aspect of being a Black MAN.

It is from this SHARED EXPERIENCE that Brothers grow together and become ELDERS.

I have friends from childhood that I have political differences with but I can go years without being in their presence then attend a "reunion" and it is as if we have been together all through time because we have children who have grown or are growing into adulthood, which has enriched our lives and when we get together we share our WISDOM with each other, regardless of some of the differences in our educational and "class" backgrounds.

And, as time goes on, each reunion is more significant because we have SURVIVED while others are no longer with us to SHARE our comman experience.

I have gotten to the point that TRUST is no longer an issue for me as it is for others because lack of trust tends to bring an extra burden of anxiety, paranoia and FEAR.

I can work with someone towards a goal irrespective of trust. I believe what is more important is a mutual respect which can conquer a lack of trust.

However, a lack of common respect for each is an insurmountalbe stumbling block which needs to be destroyed. That was beautiful bro!

You my brother have hit it on the head , yes RESPECT to thy fellow brother
is the key to building and i totally agree Fatherhood plays a role beyond any
reason, your honesty is welcome and i bow to that this block we throw up is
our own that we must learn to let go , set aside and see the forth going need
to come as one , I can and willingly to work with any brother to learn / teach
and move forward side by side to better us as men to have stronger home bound
structure i always tell my boys about the morals of being a man reaching manhood
and how Fatherhood should be .
This why Brotherhood is needed of us so badly we are so divided and apart as black
men i too have learn to sit aside any trust factor that will limp me from growth.
Thank u so much bro OmowaleX

Hey Rich, this is really good right here...

One thing i learn and notice is we like to attack the thoughts therein
of Brotherhooding by counter attacking with why and what purpose of it
yet we will go buy a new shirt without questioning why there is 5 buttons
who made it and for what purpose.
We all know why and what it's for to cover our backs / cloth our skin to
help us be presentable beyond any reason or purpose but our own assumption
well my brothers , Brotherhooding all black men will do the same as that shirt.

Because we are a piece of that shirt and together we will make one great wear
but in pieces not fitting in that shirt will become irregular not organized
we have to look through our own window and sum it up to why we brotherhood
every man express these reason and we all must respect that man reasons
then we can narrow it down to a sum of reasons to unite and build each other up
beyond disagreement / fighting and individualism the only way is to look not from
self window but the next window to see more deeper into the vast of reasons.

1. RESPECT thy brothers views openly

2. UNDERSTANDING common goals as men

3. NETWORKING together to reach solutions/ goals/ brothering

4. FATHERHOODING sharing common intrest family morals daily living

5. BUILDING a foundation for our future children

6. FEAR not thy brother but join him / wise & knowledgeable minds is power

7. ECONOMY to teach a better household manament and share the resources
of arrangement to bring a wider economic into the black communities have a
stronger home front

8. TRUST one thing seem so hard to do is this, but if we going anywhere we must
take a manly chance on our brothers inorder to move forward know he's not your
enemy we have trusted before blindly without known the out come why not upon thy brother we can't trust his word and movement let our ego down and trust

9. VALUE his opinions / views with common value beyond being judgemental

10. OPPORTUNITY to change how our women see us how black men are labled
to bring back manhood and do what society say we can't do as black men

11. UPLIFTING worriors who have fallen , forgotten and ashame re-asure him he's
worthy no matter what he's done or where he's been and it's never too late

12. RAGE we all have it within yet not willingly to let go and use our mental skillz and
great will of intelligents to be our defeater but we display it against each other this
where we failed at and the white wash society knows this of us, rage up by impowering
the mind and resources

13. DISAGREEING know how to disagree by agreeing to disagree with a solutional
template and not anger factor

14. RESPONSABILITY we as men have to take back full responsabilities for our action
our children / home and living and moral settings

15. STRUCTURE we need to invest and use the tools we have to give us a bigger vast
what to invest or why ! invest in free marketing for capitalism and to gain corporated
ownership

16. ISSUES we all have them but expressing them correctly is what we lack of
time we together work out many of our issues with understanding / respect and
Gods good faith as well hope

This why we need Brotherhood and what Brotherhood can and will offer you !
it will be a lifter and mentor and a friend to all men .
I'm sure the reasons list can go on and on why we should and need to join bond
bring forth a Brotherhood and work together in unity these are a few reasons to
come in say yes and start Brothering , so i ask again this year are you ready willingly
to Build a foundation to start brotherhooding ??

If not, why not !???

Are you ready i am ??

Can you be my brothers keeper ..........?

Holla at ole $$RICH$$ ya know .

One thing i learn and notice is we like to attack the thoughts therein
of Brotherhooding by counter attacking with why and what purpose of it
yet we will go buy a new shirt without questioning why there is 5 buttons
who made it and for what purpose.
We all know why and what it's for to cover our backs / cloth our skin to
help us be presentable beyond any reason or purpose but our own assumption
well my brothers , Brotherhooding all black men will do the same as that shirt.

Because we are a piece of that shirt and together we will make one great wear
but in pieces not fitting in that shirt will become irregular not organized
we have to look through our own window and sum it up to why we brotherhood
every man express these reason and we all must respect that man reasons
then we can narrow it down to a sum of reasons to unite and build each other up
beyond disagreement / fighting and individualism the only way is to look not from
self window but the next window to see more deeper into the vast of reasons.

1. RESPECT thy brothers views openly

2. UNDERSTANDING common goals as men

3. NETWORKING together to reach solutions/ goals/ brothering

4. FATHERHOODING sharing common intrest family morals daily living

5. BUILDING a foundation for our future children

6. FEAR not thy brother but join him / wise & knowledgeable minds is power

7. ECONOMY to teach a better household manament and share the resources
of arrangement to bring a wider economic into the black communities have a
stronger home front

8. TRUST one thing seem so hard to do is this, but if we going anywhere we must
take a manly chance on our brothers inorder to move forward know he's not your
enemy we have trusted before blindly without known the out come why not upon thy brother we can't trust his word and movement let our ego down and trust

9. VALUE his opinions / views with common value beyond being judgemental

10. OPPORTUNITY to change how our women see us how black men are labled
to bring back manhood and do what society say we can't do as black men

11. UPLIFTING worriors who have fallen , forgotten and ashame re-asure him he's
worthy no matter what he's done or where he's been and it's never too late

12. RAGE we all have it within yet not willingly to let go and use our mental skillz and
great will of intelligents to be our defeater but we display it against each other this
where we failed at and the white wash society knows this of us, rage up by impowering
the mind and resources

13. DISAGREEING know how to disagree by agreeing to disagree with a solutional
template and not anger factor

14. RESPONSABILITY we as men have to take back full responsabilities for our action
our children / home and living and moral settings

15. STRUCTURE we need to invest and use the tools we have to give us a bigger vast
what to invest or why ! invest in free marketing for capitalism and to gain corporated
ownership

16. ISSUES we all have them but expressing them correctly is what we lack of
time we together work out many of our issues with understanding / respect and
Gods good faith as well hope

This why we need Brotherhood and what Brotherhood can and will offer you !
it will be a lifter and mentor and a friend to all men .
I'm sure the reasons list can go on and on why we should and need to join bond
bring forth a Brotherhood and work together in unity these are a few reasons to
come in say yes and start Brothering , so i ask again this year are you ready willingly
to Build a foundation to start brotherhooding ??

If not, why not !???

Are you ready i am ??

Can you be my brothers keeper ..........?

Holla at ole $$RICH$$ ya know . I am indeed my brotha and sista's keeper,but on this the brethren.

As I help to prop my brother up, alas I hope the same fate will await me,if i fall and need a helping hand.

Peace and Blessings brotha!

robboy surely one will lift you, as u lift another that's what being a keeper
is about, if we stand together we will rise together no man will be left behind

but on this the brethren .......yes the Fear factor !

Our fate is our own and every brother who brotherhood will not let his brother
fall capside or by the waste side yet lift him / help him / incorporate him
beyond judgemental we all will need a hand at some point this what will make
us as united stronger because we will not let our fellow man fall.

so i take it that you saying yes you ready and willingly to help build BROTHERHOOD ?

I'm glad I came back to the site and I'm glad I came across this. See, I try to stay clear of the "ghetto", as some would say, brothers but I see that I should teach not only my young brothers but my equal and older brothers as well. This just opened my eyes. Normally, I would be like "he's just another ignorant ***** that I'll avoid", but I see now that I shouldn't do that. There is so much we can learn from each other.

That is totally true brother , we shouldn't step over our brothers who
is less knowledgable it's not that they are ignorant just lost way we
have to asure them they are mentally able and lift them up again, i
am happy of your return and how upbeat and spirit u have to teach
as well learn we have so much we can share as men that will help us
where we somewhat weaken at...........T}-{e Trut}-{ RyL welcome home
brother and welcome to a new start for us as men in Brotherhooding .

One thing i learn and notice is we like to attack the thoughts therein
of Brotherhooding by counter attacking with why and what purpose of it
yet we will go buy a new shirt without questioning why there is 5 buttons
who made it and for what purpose.
We all know why and what it's for to cover our backs / cloth our skin to
help us be presentable beyond any reason or purpose but our own assumption
well my brothers , Brotherhooding all black men will do the same as that shirt.

Because we are a piece of that shirt and together we will make one great wear
but in pieces not fitting in that shirt will become irregular not organized
we have to look through our own window and sum it up to why we brotherhood
every man express these reason and we all must respect that man reasons
then we can narrow it down to a sum of reasons to unite and build each other up
beyond disagreement / fighting and individualism the only way is to look not from
self window but the next window to see more deeper into the vast of reasons.

1. RESPECT thy brothers views openly

2. UNDERSTANDING common goals as men

3. NETWORKING together to reach solutions/ goals/ brothering

4. FATHERHOODING sharing common intrest family morals daily living

5. BUILDING a foundation for our future children

6. FEAR not thy brother but join him / wise & knowledgeable minds is power

7. ECONOMY to teach a better household manament and share the resources
of arrangement to bring a wider economic into the black communities have a
stronger home front

8. TRUST one thing seem so hard to do is this, but if we going anywhere we must
take a manly chance on our brothers inorder to move forward know he's not your
enemy we have trusted before blindly without known the out come why not upon thy brother
we can't trust his word and movement let our ego down and trust

9. VALUE his opinions / views with common value beyond being judgemental

10. OPPORTUNITY to change how our women see us how black men are labled
to bring back manhood and do what society say we can't do as black men

11. UPLIFTING worriors who have fallen , forgotten and ashame re-asure him he's
worthy no matter what he's done or where he's been and it's never too late

12. RAGE we all have it within yet not willingly to let go and use our mental skillz and
great will of intelligents to be our defeater but we display it against each other this
where we failed at and the white wash society knows this of us, rage up by impowering
the mind and resources

13. DISAGREEING know how to disagree by agreeing to disagree with a solutional
template and not anger factor

14. RESPONSABILITY we as men have to take back full responsabilities for our action
our children / home and living and moral settings

15. STRUCTURE we need to invest and use the tools we have to give us a bigger vast
what to invest or why ! invest in free marketing for capitalism and to gain corporated
ownership

16. ISSUES we all have them but expressing them correctly is what we lack of
time we together work out many of our issues with understanding / respect and
Gods good faith as well hope

This why we need Brotherhood and what Brotherhood can and will offer you !
it will be a lifter and mentor and a friend to all men .
I'm sure the reasons list can go on and on why we should and need to join bond
bring forth a Brotherhood and work together in unity these are a few reasons to
come in say yes and start Brothering , so i ask again this year are you ready willingly
to Build a foundation to start brotherhooding ??

If not, why not !???

Are you ready i am ??

Can you be my brothers keeper ..........?

Holla at ole $$RICH$$ ya know .




Recap of the Brothers Chat Meeting, Tuesday May 05, 2009:

Very good meeting last night indeed my brothers, the theme centered around Solutions to the Polution. Our new mantra is: One Step Away From Greatness, by Imam oldsoul, July 2005, this thread is now available for Premimum members, as well as Regular Members, and the entire Family, guests and ghosts and all, are deeply encourage to read and digest this prophectic document.


Our focus is to Stop The Violence, both physical and economical. Lets begin those steps right here at home, Destee.com. Sister Linda Chavis has been telling us that she has no computer, that she wants to come to Sisters Chat but cannot, this has been posted in the shout box, on profile pages and notes. Since we are ReUniting this Community, lets begin by taking care of home first and repair or replace her computer and get mics out to those that need them.

Those of us that are able, lets work with Tariq and get this loyal sister fixed up with a computer, so that Sisters Chat will continue to build and grow, in other words, lets put our money where our mouths are. Also, lets get mics for those that cannot get mics for themselves, as we have promised. Again, lets help our wounded right here in front of us before we go to the Streets.

Brothers, before we can do something big, we must do small things well and do them first, lets meet the needs of those right here in front of us Before we go outside, and we are going outside with this, even to the Streets. The Street Project---Stop the Violence---is forthcoming So all Da Street Soldiers get ready!
Those of use in Brothers Chat, should keep this Brothers Chat thread and oldsouls thread: One Step Away From Greatness, bumped up by posting to them as a constant reminder of our accountability to this Greatness that is about to be bestowed upon our People.


Peace In....Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

There is no doubt in my mind that we should continue our vast of mission as men
Quote:
Shall i see you about , or shall i definitely see you ???

We building something positive with a moral to outreach and reach our greatness
we indeed one step away , let it be known that within this mission a goal is to save
another brother we are our brother keeper .

Good 'to do' list...

But whatever you decide to actually do to achieve these goals is what will really matter to most (if not all) of our folk...

Some will just mimic the words in order that others won't associate them with being a part of the problem:

Those who emulate our proposted or real actions will easily show us they too intend to be a part of the solution...

FYI...

Take care...

Peace...

:SuN044:


One thing i learn and notice is we like to attack the thoughts therein
of Brotherhooding by counter attacking with why and what purpose of it
yet we will go buy a new shirt without questioning why there is 5 buttons
who made it and for what purpose.
We all know why and what it's for to cover our backs / cloth our skin to
help us be presentable beyond any reason or purpose but our own assumption
well my brothers , Brotherhooding all black men will do the same as that shirt.

Because we are a piece of that shirt and together we will make one great wear
but in pieces not fitting in that shirt will become irregular not organized
we have to look through our own window and sum it up to why we brotherhood
every man express these reason and we all must respect that man reasons
then we can narrow it down to a sum of reasons to unite and build each other up
beyond disagreement / fighting and individualism the only way is to look not from
self window but the next window to see more deeper into the vast of reasons.

1. RESPECT thy brothers views openly

2. UNDERSTANDING common goals as men

3. NETWORKING together to reach solutions/ goals/ brothering

4. FATHERHOODING sharing common intrest family morals daily living

5. BUILDING a foundation for our future children

6. FEAR not thy brother but join him / wise & knowledgeable minds is power

7. ECONOMY to teach a better household manament and share the resources
of arrangement to bring a wider economic into the black communities have a
stronger home front

8. TRUST one thing seem so hard to do is this, but if we going anywhere we must
take a manly chance on our brothers inorder to move forward know he's not your
enemy we have trusted before blindly without known the out come why not upon thy brother we can't trust his word and movement let our ego down and trust

9. VALUE his opinions / views with common value beyond being judgemental

10. OPPORTUNITY to change how our women see us how black men are labled
to bring back manhood and do what society say we can't do as black men

11. UPLIFTING worriors who have fallen , forgotten and ashame re-asure him he's
worthy no matter what he's done or where he's been and it's never too late

12. RAGE we all have it within yet not willingly to let go and use our mental skillz and
great will of intelligents to be our defeater but we display it against each other this
where we failed at and the white wash society knows this of us, rage up by impowering
the mind and resources

13. DISAGREEING know how to disagree by agreeing to disagree with a solutional
template and not anger factor

14. RESPONSABILITY we as men have to take back full responsabilities for our action
our children / home and living and moral settings

15. STRUCTURE we need to invest and use the tools we have to give us a bigger vast
what to invest or why ! invest in free marketing for capitalism and to gain corporated
ownership

16. ISSUES we all have them but expressing them correctly is what we lack of
time we together work out many of our issues with understanding / respect and
Gods good faith as well hope

This why we need Brotherhood and what Brotherhood can and will offer you !
it will be a lifter and mentor and a friend to all men .
I'm sure the reasons list can go on and on why we should and need to join bond
bring forth a Brotherhood and work together in unity these are a few reasons to
come in say yes and start Brothering , so i ask again this year are you ready willingly
to Build a foundation to start brotherhooding ??

If not, why not !???

Are you ready i am ??

Can you be my brothers keeper ..........?

Holla at ole $$RICH$$ ya know .

Good 'to do' list...

But whatever you decide to actually do to achieve these goals is what will really matter to most (if not all) of our folk...

Some will just mimic the words in order that others won't associate them with being a part of the problem:

Those who emulate our proposted or real actions will easily show us they too intend to be a part of the solution...

FYI...

Take care...

Peace...

:SuN044:





chuck,

Good points chuck, look, this is an invite from me to you to join us in Brothers Chat and help make these things happen. Brother chuck, did you read my post #59, that post recaps what we talked about and where we are going, and I am inviting you to take the journey with us, and to have a voice in the direction that some of us brothers have stepped up to, chuck.

Come off the sidlines and get into the game, we can win this. So, please read my post #59 and leave me a comment on it, please let me know whether or not you are willing to become apart of Brothers Chat, we meet on Tuesdays from 7-9 PM Central. We would prefer you have a mic, but until then come any and text/type how you feel, we would love to have you chuck.

Peace In...

I don't know know for sure how many Brothers are here on the site.

If i guess. That guess would out of the 22 thousand members.

There may be about 2000 Brothers total.
That is assuming there is a 90% to 10% ration of Women / Men count here.

If only Half of the Brothers are even active. Then that would leave a 1000.

I say Right now.

Each Brother send ( $1 ) a dollar to Destee thru pay-pal, or post mail.

With an understanding that Destee will collect those special dollars as they come in. Report what has been collected and redistribute some and portions out to help Sister Linda, and use some to buy Mic's to be mailed out to those needing them.

In New York, these Mic's can be bought wholesale quantity.

If a wholesale license is needed I have one. I can call and give my number for the tax free, pass along at business man low prices. At wholesale a Mic that would cost. $20 dollars normally. May have cost the wholesaler $4 dollars. He sells that Mic to me at $4.00 and I have to report that I sold it for $5 dollars, and pay the taxes on it.

The Sisters, can do the same send in an extra dollar for issues they want to solve. Buy a gift for each other.. on special occasions. They can help it will only make up make up any deficit we may lack.

Then I want this summer to be a Reunion. A bunch of small ones. One meet one if your in the same city.

I have several Sister here and Brothers here a few miles away. LUNCH is on me. So you each can have One Taco. lol

Nothing fancy. Several reunions, in city's that would be no more than a 600 mile drive or a two hour flight. Those who can meet ..Meet. Have lunch. Dinner. Meet. Brothers and Sisters. We all don't have to meet everyone. It would be impossible to coordinate right now. Because of time off work, and family issues and stuff. Fligts have never been so cheap. For a Grand. I bet I can have lunch with many of you.

$$RICH$$ You know you on my list Brother. Chicago is close to Missouri.. and I will be coming HOME there first.

I may try to meet as many as possible. I am going to fly back to meet Destee. That is for sure. I am coming full East Coast. Mid West and South to California. Not all in one trip. Several but i will make those trips. I may stop in Memphis. Because I have relatives there.

I have relatives in all corners of the U.S. so I have reason to meet. Greet and build Trust . It is easy to type, and say you have my support.

I see the break down being MONEY.. otherwise. I do believe the commitment to support in many ways exist. It is another thing after you smile after meeting and seeing someones face. Trust is built.

I am ready to send with my new premium membership dues.. an additional ten dollars. To start the fund pool.

I don't like to repeat myself. I do not like to go on and on. I desire action and commitment in relations. Otherwise just tell me the truth. Do you want to do Something or Not.

HODEE that's a great idea but i'm sure we don't have that many but what we have
we can give and build a funding pool for many things , Thankz

I am in hope that we first come united in fellowship /brotherhood /
to a working action and a voice of reasons for solutions ...
This road we are on and one step away from greatness

I don't know know for sure how many Brothers are here on the site.

If i guess. That guess would out of the 22 thousand members.

There may be about 2000 Brothers total.
That is assuming there is a 90% to 10% ration of Women / Men count here.

If only Half of the Brothers are even active. Then that would leave a 1000.

I say Right now.

Each Brother send ( $1 ) a dollar to Destee thru pay-pal, or post mail.

With an understanding that Destee will collect those special dollars as they come in. Report what has been collected and redistribute some and portions out to help Sister Linda, and use some to buy Mic's to be mailed out to those needing them.

In New York, these Mic's can be bought wholesale quantity.

If a wholesale license is needed I have one. I can call and give my number for the tax free, pass along at business man low prices. At wholesale a Mic that would cost. $20 dollars normally. May have cost the wholesaler $4 dollars. He sells that Mic to me at $4.00 and I have to report that I sold it for $5 dollars, and pay the taxes on it.

The Sisters, can do the same send in an extra dollar for issues they want to solve. Buy a gift for each other.. on special occasions. They can help it will only make up make up any deficit we may lack.

Then I want this summer to be a Reunion. A bunch of small ones. One meet one if your in the same city.

I have several Sister here and Brothers here a few miles away. LUNCH is on me. So you each can have One Taco. lol

Nothing fancy. Several reunions, in city's that would be no more than a 600 mile drive or a two hour flight. Those who can meet ..Meet. Have lunch. Dinner. Meet. Brothers and Sisters. We all don't have to meet everyone. It would be impossible to coordinate right now. Because of time off work, and family issues and stuff. Fligts have never been so cheap. For a Grand. I bet I can have lunch with many of you.

$$RICH$$ You know you on my list Brother. Chicago is close to Missouri.. and I will be coming HOME there first.

I may try to meet as many as possible. I am going to fly back to meet Destee. That is for sure. I am coming full East Coast. Mid West and South to California. Not all in one trip. Several but i will make those trips. I may stop in Memphis. Because I have relatives there.

I have relatives in all corners of the U.S. so I have reason to meet. Greet and build Trust . It is easy to type, and say you have my support.

I see the break down being MONEY.. otherwise. I do believe the commitment to support in many ways exist. It is another thing after you smile after meeting and seeing someones face. Trust is built.

I am ready to send with my new premium membership dues.. an additional ten dollars. To start the fund pool.

I don't like to repeat myself. I do not like to go on and on. I desire action and commitment in relations. Otherwise just tell me the truth. Do you want to do Something or Not.




HODEE,

Thank you for this idea my brother friend. Though I understand your impatience with a matter, and that you don't like to repeat yourself, nevertheless, this idea really needs to be address in Brothers Chat next Tuesday between 7-9 PM Central, if at all possible.

This is so important, until you, as its author, are being asked to present it and assure its adoption, for real. So, I am asking you to understand the need for us to communicate with one another and settle up.

In my view, and to be as speedy as possible, my thoughts were to solicit funds from those in attendance, especially with Tariq being able to verify acceptable costs to get Linda Chavis up and running, as quickly as possible.

What you have submitted should receive the greatest consideration, which is more than just a post reading. Please modify your personal position on this matter, brother...Peace In

Good evening, brother posters...

But, of course, the mere election of Barack Obama-- whatever idealized viewpoints some (if not all) of us had about what that would or will bring about for us-- had or has to be contrasted with any number of reality checks/wake up calls we've also had to have to heed, i.e., since folk who aspire to the office of the president are-- by their very nature-- subject to any or known or unknown compromises, etc.

Though-- if anything about the fella stands out the most is he talks a good game--though I also don't have the time et al to just wait on the sidelines--like a mere spectator--in order to find out if he's good or bad player...

My feelings and thoughts again revolve around the home court:

As well as things I can and should speak up and out about as well as I may actually be about to do something about...

And as regards what some of you afrocentric oriented brothers:

I'd also strongly suggest you do apply the principles usually associated with Kwanza--though 24/7...

If there is one point I have to agree to disagree about as regards those takes via this subject thread:

Otherwise my take on capitalism I contrast with the traditional spirit which relates to the principal of collective work etc., which is a part of our true african heritage...

Yes...

We must be true to who we be:

And...

Not clones of those particular white folk who advocate their advancing of their own petty self interests at everybody else's expense---only by those with mere permanent suntans...

So...

However some merely front as anything and everything:

What we truly represent is what matters!

FYI...

Take care...

Peace...

:SuN020::

yes i totally agree Chuck this why we have invited you to join us in brother's chat
come check us out see what we about and collectively where we headed as a people
thanks for sharing upon us .......

HODEE,

Thank you for this idea my brother friend. Though I understand your impatience with a matter, and that you don't like to repeat yourself, nevertheless, this idea really needs to be address in Brothers Chat next Tuesday between 7-9 PM Central, if at all possible.

This is so important, until you, as its author, are being asked to present it and assure its adoption, for real. So, I am asking you to understand the need for us to communicate with one another and settle up.

In my view, and to be as speedy as possible, my thoughts were to solicit funds from those in attendance, especially with Tariq being able to verify acceptable costs to get Linda Chavis up and running, as quickly as possible.

What you have admitted should receive the greatest consideration, which is more than just a post reading. Please modify your personal position on this matter, brother...Peace In




Thank You Brother Clyde

Chat Brothers Chat. I have been here for a few years. I was a very active member in the past in Brothers Chat. It does not take six months, a year, two years of talking Brother. Action - shows me that serious minds. Are ready for something other than chat.

So you haven't seen me in chat. If you tell me you need some funds to support something. I will come thru.

My schedule right now is open. When it gets busy. You won't see me in chat. You will have to call me to see if I can come on line.

I trust your Judgment. Think of me as this Brother who will be there if monetary support is needed. If a hammer needs swinging. A document or petition needs signing. Anything that has been hammered out.

No hesitation. Call me with the verdict.

Now that has nothing to do with my patience. If I came to chat. One time. I could give my ideas. Hear all the ideas presented. Then I am ready to do something. So next meeting something has progressed.

Do we need more brothers? I would have to assume. They were there at one time or another, they have heard something is going on. They know something about what the brothers would like to put together. . Why haven't they come thru?

I will be at the next chat meeting. I missed the one Brother So'ja had .. forgive me Brother So'ja.

This is so important, until you, as its author, are being asked to present it and assure its adoption, for real. So, I am asking you to understand the need for us to communicate with one another and settle up.

I hear exactly what you are saying here Clyde. This is very important.

I will not put this forward. I am not authoring this. I read your comments. Funds are needed to buy a computer.

I will listen and see what is on the table. You seem to be doing a great job here. I want to follow your lead. I want to follow who ever has taken the lead.

Thank You

You know Brother. I can see how it can look like I am impatient.

I read your post. You stated a need to get a computer. Some Mic's.. I need a new Mic too. I said lets do that.

Now how long has Sister Linda needed one? I have read what you pointed out. I have read where she has said her system is acting up. How long has brothers in chat talked about it?

I will make chat Brother Clyde. I will listen. No I won't place this idea forward.
It may have been discussed before so I will be listening for commitment from others so we can move forward.

I am not going to take the lead, and drag out another week or two or even a year. Months may have passed already.

Brother $$RICH$$ started this thread in 2006. I have been here since 2003.

A Call to the Brothers. :help:

Give an account if you will of all the ideas that you can. That have been worked to fruition by the Brothers.

Share! What has not moved forward? Date it was proposed. The current date will show how long it has been debated.

I.E.. not enough funds, not enough brothers involved, a monkey wrench was thrown into the works... . How come it didn't move forward?

I should be able to send a single email. A rally call as they say.

You should be able to do the same. $$RICH$ and any one else here I have chatted with. Spoken to on the phone or associated with. Male or Female.

Can contact me, share an interest, share an idea, make an account of who is now on board and I will decide right then and there. I am on board as well.

Everyone in agreement should be able to respond. Isn't that how the military does it when soldiers are needed? I have never been in the military.

I choose to stay out of chat. Because I have been this decisive. All my life.

I don't want to keep doing the same thing with the same results Brother.That can be frustrating. You will have to take me fishing so I can work on my patience for sure.

I am patient Brother. It has nothing to do with my patience.

Please do not take me out of context. Or misunderstand what I am trying to convey. I don't like to repeat anything over and over. Well somethings.. OK but not the same project. I need new projects and challenges.

I prefer to go forward. I can appear to be out of patience. Sorry for that.
Maybe I move on things with no hesitation. I apologize for that.
I tend to be decisive. I can't apologize for everything about me.
I would change and not like myself.

In my view, and to be as speedy as possible, my thoughts were to solicit funds from those in attendance, especially with Tariq being able to verify acceptable costs to get Linda Chavis up and running, as quickly as possible.

Costco has a great and powerful lap top. Load with XP and internet WIFI ready.
A very large hard drive it doesn't have a cd drive. So a external one would have to loaded on. Everything that is needed to be up is there. For three hundred.

A desk top may be the same cost. We need thirty brothers giving ten dollars. Or three brothers.. giving a hundred.

So the aim is to have fifty brothers so we can raise $500.00 / or $5000 and get some mics too.

I have to pay my dues this month. I need to send this additional amount when I click my paypal.

Tuesday between 7-9 PM Central, if at all possible.


7PM Central
5PM Pacific
8PM East Coast

Good morning, posters...

And, what some are proposing may well help our people, too...

But, there remains a need for us to not blur the distinctions, i. e., between who we're striving to be, as opposed to those who are striving at all, eiher to make a buck, as in--the legit way, and/or between those who does or doesn't feel or think they too need to help make a difference...

Some do condone (don't condemn) the worst aspects of what some in our midst are into these days:

Others make excuses for how they cope and deal, once they do the crime/have to do the time, etc.

Instead:

We didn't bring in the addctive drugs and/or all that's lead others to resort to, i. e., in order to make an easy and fast as well as quick buck, on the basis of exploiting their own people, etc.

It never was and is about what anybody else did or does resort to, as a means to their ends:

It's about who I-- and we are about--or not at all!

Simply put?

It's not about emulating and mimicking the worst case scenarios of our alleged rivals or real enemies:

It's about us seeking alternatives to also being a bad reflection of the hypocrisy and doubledealing of rich white people, etc., who really don't care who is on the bottom, as long as they remain on the top...

It is a self serving socio/economic/political system:

Anything and everything else some claim and say as well write about it all is much to do about nothing...

FYI...

Later...

Peace...

:SuN020:

Thank You Brother Clyde

Chat Brothers Chat. I have been here for a few years. I was a very active member in the past in Brothers Chat. It does not take six months, a year, two years of talking Brother. Action - shows me that serious minds. Are ready for something other than chat.

So you haven't seen me in chat. If you tell me you need some funds to support something. I will come thru.

My schedule right now is open. When it gets busy. You won't see me in chat. You will have to call me to see if I can come on line.

I trust your Judgment. Think of me as this Brother who will be there if monetary support is needed. If a hammer needs swinging. A document or petition needs signing. Anything that has been hammered out.

No hesitation. Call me with the verdict.

Now that has nothing to do with my patience. If I came to chat. One time. I could give my ideas. Hear all the ideas presented. Then I am ready to do something. So next meeting something has progressed.

Do we need more brothers? I would have to assume. They were there at one time or another, they have heard something is going on. They know something about what the brothers would like to put together. . Why haven't they come thru?

I will be at the next chat meeting. I missed the one Brother So'ja had .. forgive me Brother So'ja.



I hear exactly what you are saying here Clyde. This is very important.

I will not put this forward. I am not authoring this. I read your comments. Funds are needed to buy a computer.

I will listen and see what is on the table. You seem to be doing a great job here. I want to follow your lead. I want to follow who ever has taken the lead.

Thank You

You know Brother. I can see how it can look like I am impatient.

I read your post. You stated a need to get a computer. Some Mic's.. I need a new Mic too. I said lets do that.

Now how long has Sister Linda needed one? I have read what you pointed out. I have read where she has said her system is acting up. How long has brothers in chat talked about it?

I will make chat Brother Clyde. I will listen. No I won't place this idea forward.
It may have been discussed before so I will be listening for commitment from others so we can move forward.

I am not going to take the lead, and drag out another week or two or even a year. Months may have passed already.

Brother $$RICH$$ started this thread in 2006. I have been here since 2003.

A Call to the Brothers. :help:

Give an account if you will of all the ideas that you can. That have been worked to fruition by the Brothers.

Share! What has not moved forward? Date it was proposed. The current date will show how long it has been debated.

I.E.. not enough funds, not enough brothers involved, a monkey wrench was thrown into the works... . How come it didn't move forward?

I should be able to send a single email. A rally call as they say.

You should be able to do the same. $$RICH$ and any one else here I have chatted with. Spoken to on the phone or associated with. Male or Female.

Can contact me, share an interest, share an idea, make an account of who is now on board and I will decide right then and there. I am on board as well.

Everyone in agreement should be able to respond. Isn't that how the military does it when soldiers are needed? I have never been in the military.

I choose to stay out of chat. Because I have been this decisive. All my life.

I don't want to keep doing the same thing with the same results Brother.That can be frustrating. You will have to take me fishing so I can work on my patience for sure.

I am patient Brother. It has nothing to do with my patience.

Please do not take me out of context. Or misunderstand what I am trying to convey. I don't like to repeat anything over and over. Well somethings.. OK but not the same project. I need new projects and challenges.

I prefer to go forward. I can appear to be out of patience. Sorry for that.
Maybe I move on things with no hesitation. I apologize for that.
I tend to be decisive. I can't apologize for everything about me.
I would change and not like myself.



Costco has a great and powerful lap top. Load with XP and internet WIFI ready.
A very large hard drive it doesn't have a cd drive. So a external one would have to loaded on. Everything that is needed to be up is there. For three hundred.

A desk top may be the same cost. We need thirty brothers giving ten dollars. Or three brothers.. giving a hundred.

So the aim is to have fifty brothers so we can raise $500.00 / or $5000 and get some mics too.

I have to pay my dues this month. I need to send this additional amount when I click my paypal.




7PM Central
5PM Pacific
8PM East Coast




Brother HODEE,

I hear you loud and clear, for real. Please accept my apology for not measuring with my words to whom I was talking, because I have the utmost respect for you, and thats real, for real. You have seen it all HODEE, you have truly been there and done that, and you are still here, waiting patiently for the rest of us to catch up with you, I truly understand you and all others that have weathered this storm. I can only imagined how you feel and I hope that all of those reading this understand as well. We must respect seniority and longevity, these things ought to speak for themselves and they do, its just that our people must come to appreciate them.

Listen, I even like manner in which you spanked me, lol, for real. You have been here since 2003, thats 6 six years, on the battle field, so to speak, HODEE, you are a General, and we will come to both understand this and appreciate this, for real.

I will take this idea you have submitted and do all within my power to make it happen. Again, you are correct, that should be all it takes. If you come to Bros. Chat thats fine and if you don't thats fine because your nicks and wounds speak for themselves and the rest of us must begin to match you and show ourselves battle ready, and I mean these words, I really do HODEE, and not only do they apply to you, but for and to all of the HODEE's that have survived and are battle tested, all of you are truly Field Generals in this battle.

And please don't misunderstand my military metaphors, but this is a battle for the mental liberation of our Black People......Peace In General HODEE, and I am not making mockery nor am I being facetious, I am writing these words from the bottom, top, sides, back and through my heart, so help me God.

Below is a cut and paste of the Friendship request I made to you Brother HODEE, and its real, for real:

11-17-2008 10:31 PM Clyde Coger

Brother HODEE,

I'm asking for your Friendship, its about time, don't you think? Yeah, its time for all like mindedness and Family unity!

Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
Author, Does Color Matter?

Brother HODEE,

I hear you loud and clear, for real. Please accept my apology for not measuring with my words to whom I was talking, because I have the utmost respect for you, and thats real, for real. You have seen it all HODEE, you have truly been there and done that, and you are still here, waiting patiently for the rest of us to catch up with you, I truly understand you and all others that have weathered this storm. I can only imagined how you feel and I hope that all of those reading this understand as well. We must respect seniority and longevity, these things ought to speak for themselves and they do, its just that our people must come to appreciate them.

Listen, I even like manner in which you spanked me, lol, for real. You have been here since 2003, thats 6 six years, on the battle field, so to speak, HODEE, you are a General, and we will come to both understand this and appreciate this, for real.

I will take this idea you have submitted and do all within my power to make it happen. Again, you are correct, that should be all it takes. If you come to Bros. Chat thats fine and if you don't thats fine because your nicks and wounds speak for themselves and the rest of us must begin to match you and show ourselves battle ready, and I mean these words, I really do HODEE, and not only do they apply to you, but for and to all of the HODEE's that have survived and are battle tested, all of you are truly Field Generals in this battle.

And please don't misunderstand my military metaphors, but this is a battle for the mental liberation of our Black People......Peace In General HODEE, and I am not making mockery nor am I being facetious, I am writing these words from the bottom, top, sides, back and through my heart, so help me God.

Below is a cut and paste of the Friendship request I made to you Brother HODEE, and its real, for real:

11-17-2008 10:31 PM Clyde Coger

Brother HODEE,

I'm asking for your Friendship, its about time, don't you think? Yeah, its time for all like mindedness and Family unity!

Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
Author, Does Color Matter?




Thank You Brother Clyde
Thank you for Your Friendship.

Longevity isn't the key to Dedication.
Dedication is in the Action.

Brother there are those ( many ) before me.

I see you everyday on the battle lines for many here at Destee. You expend your time everyday see after the details of things many things I am sure. Good projects and you keep the forum on their toes. Good Job Brother.

That is the True Soldier. I Tip my Hat to You Brother Clyde. :terrific:


Look at all these reads this threads has.

I just saw this thread by $$RICH$$ for the first time when I commented on it this week. Last night I just read ever post from the beginning to now.

The ebbs are real. The flow or lack of flow is real. All the effort is honest.

$$RICH$$ wrote this just over three years, one week ago.

$$RICH$$ has really been battle tested on this forum. This brother has been there, and done that.

I came here and brothers met in chat. It was exciting. I was actually excited. To be involved with change.

To be able to express my ideas and come to an agreement with total strangers because I was new to Destee. Was exciting.

Then Weeks Passed, then Months Passed. Then a Year or Two came up. $$RICH can tell you. It is disheartening to many before me.

The ideas didn't move. There was those who 's schedules changed, so we waited on them. Then there was those for valid reasons changed their minds about participating.

We moved close without them. Then the idea just.

Now you see it... Now you don't

That is not a reason to give up.

Brother $$RICH$$ hasn't given up.

I just came back full time to posting and coming to chat last year.

Late last year. I was gone and sporadic logging on to post for years.
I hadn't been in chat for Brothers chat or any chat for three years. At least.

I missed a lot. When I did come back. I saw changes in the site.
I thank Destee for doing the changes I see.

My schedule changed and now I have more time.

So I didn't see this post that was made in 2006. Many about three thousand did.

Brother $$RICH$$ has never said he is frustrated.

No one has to match me. No one has to feel they have to match anyone.

One can bring ideas, one can bring movement, one can provide the means and transportation to deliver.

One can provide a talent that no one else has. A skill. It is all needed.

Money is always an issue. To accomplish this idea I see now. It will take a few dollars.

In all other cases, money may be required. But the fear I was trying to establish is there is a fear.

Of commitment bottom line. Eventually some funds may be needed. Has to be expended.

What I would like to see is hundreds of brothers, giving what they can to jump this off.

We working on a book together. I already know Months of work will be expended. This time $RICH$$. This time Brother. I promise this time.

If I paid the whole thing. That would solve this wholeheartedly.
Nothing accomplished. No Unity of Purpose established.

I don't say the things I say to brag. I don't do the things I do to show off. I do them because they exist and came to my attention to be accomplished.

Thank You to all the Brothers. Old and New. Please do not think. Please do not let this thread come up to Tuesday, and you haven't posted on here saying you will at least be there!

No check book required.

Being there is the beginning!

Brother Clyde. I am at the beginning again.

I will be there.

Thank You

Thank You Brother Clyde
Thank you for Your Friendship.

Longevity isn't the key to Dedication.
Dedication is in the Action.

Brother there are those ( many ) before me.

:terrific:


Look at all these reads this threads has.

I just saw this thread by $$RICH$$ for the first time when I commented on it this week. Last night I just read ever post from the beginning to now.

The ebbs are real. The flow or lack of flow is real. All the effort is honest.

$$RICH$$ wrote this just over three years, one week ago.

$$RICH$$ has really been battle tested on this forum. This brother has been there, and done that.

I came here and brothers met in chat. It was exciting. I was actually excited. To be involved with change.

To be able to express my ideas and come to an agreement with total strangers because I was new to Destee. Was exciting.

Then Weeks Passed, then Months Passed. Then a Year or Two came up. $$RICH can tell you. It is disheartening to many before me.

The ideas didn't move. There was those who 's schedules changed, so we waited on them. Then there was those for valid reasons changed their minds about participating.

We moved close without them. Then the idea just.

Now you see it... Now you don't

That is not a reason to give up.

Brother $$RICH$$ hasn't given up.

I just came back full time to posting and coming to chat last year.

Late last year. I was gone and sporadic logging on to post for years.
I hadn't been in chat for Brothers chat or any chat for three years. At least.

I missed a lot. When I did come back. I saw changes in the site.
I thank Destee for doing the changes I see.

My schedule changed and now I have more time.

So I didn't see this post that was made in 2006. Many about three thousand did.

Brother $$RICH$$ has never said he is frustrated.

No one has to match me. No one has to feel they have to match anyone.

One can bring ideas, one can bring movement, one can provide the means and transportation to deliver.

One can provide a talent that no one else has. A skill. It is all needed.

Money is always an issue. To accomplish this idea I see now. It will take a few dollars.

In all other cases, money may be required. But the fear I was trying to establish is there is a fear.

Of commitment bottom line. Eventually some funds may be needed. Has to be expended.

What I would like to see is hundreds of brothers, giving what they can to jump this off.

We working on a book together. I already know Months of work will be expended. This time $RICH$$. This time Brother. I promise this time.

If I paid the whole thing. That would solve this wholeheartedly.
Nothing accomplished. No Unity of Purpose established.

I don't say the things I say to brag. I don't do the things I do to show off. I do them because they exist and came to my attention to be accomplished.



No check book required.

Being there is the beginning!

Brother Clyde. I am at the beginning again.

I will be there.
Thank You



HODEE,

I sincerely thank you for the compliments, really I do, but more than anything, I thank you for finding that new beginning, thats exciting. See you in Chat my brother friend...Peace In,

Awesome dialogue here ........

Good afternoon, destee posters, but have everybody other than me forget what it took to bring about social and poltiical change, be it during the segregation era, or the era following the rebellions, etc.

And the answer to that question:

It took people being a part of active social and political movements!

We can continue to just examine and reexamine the causes of what aills our people these days as long as we choose to:

I continue to await what anybody is truly advocating to get more than a handful to do something about those issues and problems...

And time waits on no one...

I do hope and pray some here don't wait too long (or it'll probably be too late by then)...

Another one from an ally:

Not a 'critic'...

But it the truth hurts:

One day it will set us free...

If we really want to be...

FYI...

Take care...

Peace...

:SuN044:

Chuck we look forward to seeing you in brother's chat this coming tuesday where you
can bond with like minded brothers who share the same intrest .

Awesome dialogue here ........


Thanks for reading it $$RICH$$, for real, and likewise, good effort on your part to get bro. chuck to our meeting, where he can demonstrate these things that he knows...Peace In

P.S.---Excellent Poetry Throw Down last night, really enjoyed it

Chuck we look forward to seeing you in brother's chat this coming tuesday where you
can bond with like minded brothers who share the same intrest .

Good afternoon, poster...

But, I guess not getting my pont across, since I have no pc and this (or emails/private messages) is where I'm limited to engage in discussions and debates, etc.

Some of us already had and have limited or limiting use of these modern day means and ways to communicate:

Do keep that in mind as well...

Good luck and best wishes to you who have better options!

FYI...

Take care...

Peace...

:SuN020:

Talk to us brother , this our great means and goals to help bring our brother's up to speed
with the latest of technology and help open doors to better communication between
each other .

It is in our grace to find a solution to bring you into chat with us , trust me it won't
go un-notice by us to help better your options as well . Thank you for steppin up so
we could better understand your place in whole

Chuck we can honor that .

Brothers,

This is what I'm talking about. chuck, we don't know until we are told what the problems are. Brother, you are too powerful not to be heard and felt in a real way. It is our job to help you get hooked up as $$RICH$$ is saying, for real. We are family not strangers, charity always starts at home, not abroad, thats real.

As bro $$RICH$$ is striving to get you to say, if you wish to build with us, if you desire Internet access, if you would like to come to Chat and make a contribution, then let us know your intentions, brother, we are trying to do the right thing, for real, but you must take a stand.

Talk to us brother , this our great means and goals to help bring our brother's up to speed
with the latest of technology and help open doors to better communication between
each other .

It is in our grace to find a solution to bring you into chat with us , trust me it won't
go un-notice by us to help better your options as well . Thank you for steppin up so
we could better understand your place in whole

Chuck we can honor that .

Chuck:

Good afternoon, brother poster...

But, let me share an observation, of my own, if you don't mind?

There does seem and sound to be two approaches being advocated here:

One a good sister put forth:

Another one you have (or you're going along with)...

How come?

So to say the least:

We need and should want a consensus among both the menfolk and womenfolk...

If that also implies and suggests we be more candid and honest about our present day issues and problems:

It's all real...

FYI...

:SuN020:

Real it is , formost we as a people should reach out to our fellow brothers and sisters
give some warm hope that what is , and know that it's all truth and love which we
share and honor , we want all our brothers to be able to have online communication
so we as brothers do reach out !

It's all Real bruh !

Real it is , formost we as a people should reach out to our fellow brothers and sisters
give some warm hope that what is , and know that it's all truth and love which we
share and honor , we want all our brothers to be able to have online communication
so we as brothers do reach out !

It's all Real bruh !




For real, chuck, I back my brother $$RICH$$.

For real, chuck, I back my brother $$RICH$$.



Good morning, to you too, bro...

And also good that you give props to the other brother...

But all I was and am trying to get across?

It takes patience etc. to just examine the issues and problems, not just write and speak up as well as out about them, also move above and beyond merely reacting to them, whereas these are challenges we must respond to, positively and progressively...

Even no one approach--or a (workable) agenda--as in--a plan of action--can and will come all at once--no matter how many do come to an agreement--via chat sessions--etc.

The flip side is many--here--continue to be confused and dumbfounded-- because "we didn't used to be like this"?!?

Some elders and/or a handful of us activists etc. too easily realize and recognize that was then--and this is now!

Yes:

I was inspired by the young Civil Rights activists aka the Freedom Riders and suchlike...

But that movement did run its course...

And...

Some of my generation took the struggle from a clamoring for RIGHTS to a demand for (Black) Power...

Now, we too easily realize and recognize that more than just black folk have issues and problems, as regards what the rich and powerful, sometimes regardless of their low or high melanin levels, etc., continue to keep this nation a bad reflection of, i. e., on the basis of their own self serving agendas, which benefits a relative handful at the expense of the rest of us...

So the only thing that continues to be truly important and relevant and significant, sans the usual rhetoric put forth by people merely mimicking the ideas etc. found via the U. S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights, (which the past president did everything short of openly declaring martial law to undermine), is the following:

It is supposed to be a government by the people and for the people!

Just us having been given (back) the vote etc. guarantees nothing about that either!

What we do to reaffirm what we need and want this nation to be about will!!

FYI...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

:SuN044:

Good morning, to you too, bro...

And also good that you give props to the other brother...

But all I was and am trying to get across?

It takes patience etc. to just examine the issues and problems, not just write and speak up as well as out about them, also move above and beyond merely reacting to them, whereas these are challenges we must respond to, positively and progressively...

Even no one approach--or a (workable) agenda--as in--a plan of action--can and will come all at once--no matter how many do come to an agreement--via chat sessions--etc.

The flip side is many--here--continue to be confused and dumbfounded-- because "we didn't used to be like this"?!?

Some elders and/or a handful of us activists etc. too easily realize and recognize that was then--and this is now!

Yes:

I was inspired by the young Civil Rights activists aka the Freedom Riders and suchlike...

But that movement did run its course...

And...

Some of my generation took the struggle from a clamoring for RIGHTS to a demand for (Black) Power...

Now, we too easily realize and recognize that more than just black folk have issues and problems, as regards what the rich and powerful, sometimes regardless of their low or high melanin levels, etc., continue to keep this nation a bad reflection of, i. e., on the basis of their own self serving agendas, which benefits a relative handful at the expense of the rest of us...

So the only thing that continues to be truly important and relevant and significant, sans the usual rhetoric put forth by people merely mimicking the ideas etc. found via the U. S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights, (which the past president did everything short of openly declaring martial law to undermine), is the following:

It is supposed to be a government by the people and for the people!

Just us having been given (back) the vote etc. guarantees nothing about that either!

What we do to reaffirm what we need and want this nation to be about will!!

FYI...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

:SuN044:




chuck,

All you have said is true and you get no argument from me, for real. We need to start somewhere, and we have launched off our efforts as Men in Brothers Chat that are serious about this House that Destee has built, and simply seek to realize the impact of the Internet, the necessity of the Internet, especially for us black folk.

Bro. chuck, we are more of a proactive outfit than a problem identifier, we all are deeply aware of the problems, and here is how I operate, If you don't have a Solution, then you are part of the Problem.

Now, please don't mistake me as some obviously do, but understand its time for solutions, real solutions, or least an attempt to create solutions, what say you, chuck ?

peace

Do we have any type of check list for what we want to accomplish? i haven't read the whole thread.

If not maybe we should formulate one and take on each task one at a time so other brothers can see that something is actually being done and that our talking is being manifested into something real.

This way others will be motivated to get their ticket and hop on board this locamotive of action!

Like Hodee, i was part of Brothers chat about a year and a half ago and we had it moving even to the point that we had just elected someone as treasurer and we were about to start sending money (dues) so we could make things happen. Then all of a sudden, someone, somewhere de-railed all of our efforts thru e-mails and such. The funny thing about it is the brother deals in finance....lol - but seemed so upset at the fact we were putting our money where our mouths were....:?:

I am onboard again this go round, but will not speak in chat to here myself talk. Let's make something happen then talk get together to talk about what's next!

1) people need mics - who? how many? do they frequent chat? i mean what's the priority for getting these mics? I will put up for a few of them?
- They can E-mail me: sncr7@yahoo.com to let me know where to send them....


2) sister Linda needs a computer - if nothing has been worked out yet:

a) I'm willing to send $50 - add on!
b)
C)
d)

Let's stop talkin' about it and be about it!

& ANYONE TRYING TO DERAIL US THIS TYME WILL BE CALLED OUT IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE FAMILY AND SHOULD BE BANNED PERMANENTLY!

peace

Do we have any type of check list for what we want to accomplish?

If not maybe we should formulate one and take on each task one at a time so other brothers can see that something is actually being done and that our talking is being manifested into something real.

This way others will be motivated to hop on board this locamotive of action!

Like Hodee, i was part of Brothers chat about a year and a half ago and we had it moving even to the point that we had just elected someone as treasurer and we were about to start sending money (dues) so we could make things happen. Then all of a sudden, someone, somewhere (i know who) de-railed all of our efforts. The funny thing about it is the brother deals in finance....lol - but seemed so upset at the fact we were putting our money where our mouths were....

I am onboard again this go round, but will not speak in chat to here myself talk. Let's make something happen!

1) people need mics - who? how many? do they frequent chat? i mean what's the priority for getting these mics? I will put up for a few of them?
- They can E-mail me: sncr7@yahoo.com to let me know where to send them....


2) sister Linda needs a computer - if nothing has been worked out yet:

a) I'm willing to send $50 - add on!
b)
C)
d)

Let's stop talkin' about it and be about it!




Info-moetry,
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Excellent idea and move!
I see you and I hear you loud and clear, this post that you have submitted witll act as that "Check List." From this point forward, I will ensure that Tariq and Nasheed, read and review and we settle this issue tomorrow in Brothers Chat, Peace In, for real.

chuck,

All you have said is true and you get no argument from me, for real. We need to start somewhere, and we have launched off our efforts as Men in Brothers Chat that are serious about this House that Destee has built, and simply seek to realize the impact of the Internet, the necessity of the Internet, especially for us black folk.

Bro. chuck, we are more of a proactive outfit than a problem identifier, we all are deeply aware of the problems, and here is how I operate, If you don't have a Solution, then you are part of the Problem.

Now, please don't mistake me as some obviously do, but understand its time for solutions, real solutions, or least an attempt to create solutions, what say you, chuck?



I say this:

The conventional approaches I've come to associate with black mass movements in the United States, i. e., with their mainstays presumptions and assumptions about whoever chooses or not to be a part of such movements, up to and including fargone conclusions about what will come via their prepackaged agendas, etc., is--at best--not only an overly idealized approach, but it's also is becoming a very overused one...

Or to be completely candid and honest about it all:

The rest of us aren't simply 'lost sheep' and need a 'shepard' to lead us 'back home'...

Was and is there a need and I want us to realize and recognize how we've endured and survived for generations because of the ole saying:

"This far by our faith(s)-?"

A no brainer...

But...

Religious faith in and or itself is not the best of foundations among those who practice so many (and some none at all)!

One's convictions leading to one's social and political activism is quite another thing...

Our need and my want to advance the present day struggle above and beyond merely expecting black faces in high places to look out for our and our peoples best interests--as in--from individuals to collective empowerment--that was and is what I'm about!

Also after centuries of enslavement and segregation etc.:

We're forgotten our true history etc.

Though we can reclaim it--if and when we quit acting and reacting like those other folk--who we either emulate or mimic...

Yes....

Too many of us continue to act and react like white folks--though just with permanent suntans:

But..

It is our uniqueness--us being descendants of enslaved african ancestors etc.--which some--as in white media moguls--have others to commercialize--for mass white folks comsumption--and others--black folk in general-- are heavily into denial about--these days...

But...

"You're running and you're running--and you can't run away from yourself!"

True, that...

And I must decline your invitation...

Good luck!

Take care...

Peace...

I say this:

The conventional approaches I've come to associate with black mass movements in the United States, i. e., with their mainstays presumptions and assumptions about whoever chooses or not to be a part of such movements, up to and including fargone conclusions about what will come via their prepackaged agendas, etc., is--at best--not only an overly idealized approach, but it's also is becoming a very overused one...

Or to be completely candid and honest about it all:

The rest of us aren't simply 'lost sheep' and need a 'shepard' to lead us 'back home'...

Was and is there a need and I want us to realize and recognize how we've endured and survived for generations because of the ole saying:

"This far by our faith(s)-?"

A no brainer...

But...

Religious faith in and or itself is not the best of foundations among those who practice so many (and some none at all)!

One's convictions leading to one's social and political activism is quite another thing...

Our need and my want to advance the present day struggle above and beyond merely expecting black faces in high places to look out for our and our peoples best interests--as in--from individuals to collective empowerment--that was and is what I'm about!

Also after centuries of enslavement and segregation etc.:

We're forgotten our true history etc.

Though we can reclaim it--if and when we quit acting and reacting like those other folk--who we either emulate or mimic...

Yes....

Too many of us continue to act and react like white folks--though just with permanent suntans:

But..

It is our uniqueness--us being descendants of enslaved african ancestors etc.--which some--as in white media moguls--have others to commercialize--for mass white folks comsumption--and others--black folk in general-- are heavily into denial about--these days...

But...

"You're running and you're running--and you can't run away from yourself!"

True, that...

And I must decline your invitation...

Good luck!

Take care...

Peace...




Thanks chuck for the good luck wish, and if you have a change of heart and mind, the door remains opens and the invite still stands...Peace In, for real.

Nuff said thank you for your honesty and your answer is respected and accepted
likewise.......may your journey and mission be fruitful and good luck to you as well Chuck

Nuff said thank you for your honesty and your answer is respected and accepted
likewise.......may your journey and mission be fruitful and good luck to you as well Chuck




Peace In $$RICH$$, true dat, nuff said, look forward to being with you in Bros. Chat at 7 PM Central, for real.

Recap of the Brothers Chat Meeting, Tuesday May 05, 2009:

Very good meeting last night indeed my brothers, the theme centered around Solutions to the Polution. Our new mantra is: One Step Away From Greatness, by Imam oldsoul, July 2005, this thread is now available for Premimum members, as well as Regular Members, and the entire Family, guests and ghosts and all, are deeply encourage to read and digest this prophectic document.


Our focus is to Stop The Violence, both physical and economical. Lets begin those steps right here at home, Destee.com. Sister Linda Chavis has been telling us that she has no computer, that she wants to come to Sisters Chat but cannot, this has been posted in the shout box, on profile pages and notes. Since we are ReUniting this Community, lets begin by taking care of home first and repair or replace her computer and get mics out to those that need them.

Those of us that are able, lets work with Tariq and get this loyal sister fixed up with a computer, so that Sisters Chat will continue to build and grow, in other words, lets put our money where our mouths are. Also, lets get mics for those that cannot get mics for themselves, as we have promised. Again, lets help our wounded right here in front of us before we go to the Streets.

Brothers, before we can do something big, we must do small things well and do them first, lets meet the needs of those right here in front of us Before we go outside, and we are going outside with this, even to the Streets. The Street Project---Stop the Violence---is forthcoming So all Da Street Soldiers get ready!
Those of use in Brothers Chat, should keep this Brothers Chat thread and oldsouls thread: One Step Away From Greatness, bumped up by posting to them as a constant reminder of our accountability to this Greatness that is about to be bestowed upon our People.


Peace In....Clyde C. Coger, Jr.





Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday May 12, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

As many as 10 brothers came together and resolved to bond as Black Men and take leadership toward the goal of Brotherhood. This concept was first brought to Brothers Chat by $$RICH$$, May 4, 2006, and is ironically revised during its 3 year anniversary. The brother spells out sixteen (16) steps and we encourage our brothers to adopt these ideals. The glue that brought us together involves step #10, by coming to the aid of Sister Linda Chavis and her computer problem. It was agreed that Tariq would investigate Linda’ s computer problem and let us know how to proceed, assuring that Linda wasn’t getting ripped for with the 100.00 fees. In fact Linda had negotiated with the CEO of Compact by reducing her costs from 300.00 to the hundred dollars.

We agreed to invite Linda Chavis and Sister Destee to our next schedule meeting, May 19th, for testimony and guidance/Blessings, respectively. We also adopted the idea of bro HODEE and bro Info-moetry to revive an Emergency Financial Family Fund, first suggested by bro lilpea sometime back. The brothers decide to solicit and make contributions to this Fund, and would consider it appropriate to place the Fund in the highest yielding interest bearing Bank Account possible, but accessible.

Bros. Chat will track the group’s contributions through reports, and encourages the Sisters to get involved mutually. At present, the idea is as bro oldsoul testified, there is a recession and we never know who can be struck and wounded, and oldsoul attested this truth through a recent personal calamity out of which this family came to his rescue.

In addition, the Fund can be used to purchase mic’s, etc… as well as funding various projects that are under way from the GroupThink Project-Group perspective.

In conclusion, Brother Info-moetry calls for us to begin a fast, Friday, May 15, 2009. To review the current update concerning the case of Linda Chavis, and thereafter, please visit Linda’s profile page…Peace In Family, for real.

Thank you for the updates , I was out this week due to some medical issues in the family
I have a few brainstorm ideas in my head i wanted to present to the brothers but was
unable to attend Tuesday .

Thank you for the updates , I was out this week due to some medical issues in the family
I have a few brainstorm ideas in my head i wanted to present to the brothers but was
unable to attend Tuesday .




Not a problem $$RICH$$, you lite the torch, and we are carrying it...Peace In, for real, hope all is well on the home front?

WHEN I HEAR OF OR THINK OF TRUE BROTHERHOOD AMONGST BLACK MEN......I INSTANTLY REMEMBER A PICTURE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN MY BLACK PRIDE .

THAT PICTURE IS OF TOMMIE SMITH & JOHN CARLOS AT THE 1968 OLYMPICS DURING THEIR AWARD CEREMONY......

BECAUSE OF THAT PICTURE , MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL YEARS IN THE EARLY 70'S WERE SOMETIMES CONFRONTATIONAL....BUT THE PRIDE DIDNT KICK IN UNTIL OTHER YOUNG BROTHERS STOOD WITH ME , OR I WITH THEM........ESPECIALLY WHEN MUHAMMAD ALI WON A FIGHT OR WHEN O.J. RAN FOR A TD OR WHEN ARTHUR ASHE WON WIMBELDON.....AND I KNOW A LOT OF US YOUNG BLACK KIDS IN THOSE DAYS WERE ESPECIALLY FOND OF MICHAEL ON GOOD TIMES FOR HIS NON-STOP BLACK AWARENESS & HIS COURAGE TO STAND BY OUR RICH , PROUD & TRUE BLACK HISTORY....

TOMMIE SMITH & JOHN CARLOS STOOD TOGETHER....PRESERVING THEIR BLACKNESS & LETTING IT SHINE...

PERSONALLY , EMULATING THAT AS A CHILD SEEMED REAL KOOL TO ME...

I HAVE HAD MORE THAN MY SHARE OF BUMPING HEADS WITH BROTHERS OVER THE YEARS , AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT IGNORANCE ALONE IS A POWERFUL TOOL WHEN IT DWELLS IN THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENT....

I GREW UP IN A MOSTLY MALE FAMILY...SO , THEREFORE.....

I AM WILLING TO SHARE WITH & LEARN FROM ANY BROTHER....
I AM WILLING TO BE UNITED WITH ANY BROTHER REGARDLESS OF ANY DIFFERENCES.....FOR THE SAKE OF VISION...
AND I AM WILLING TO DO MY PART TO NURTURE ANY ELEMENT OF BOND WITH BROTHERS SO THAT OUR CHILDREN CAN HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION....


WARRIOR

WHEN I HEAR OF OR THINK OF TRUE BROTHERHOOD AMONGST BLACK MEN......I INSTANTLY REMEMBER A PICTURE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN MY BLACK PRIDE .

THAT PICTURE IS OF TOMMIE SMITH & JOHN CARLOS AT THE 1968 OLYMPICS DURING THEIR AWARD CEREMONY......

BECAUSE OF THAT PICTURE , MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL YEARS IN THE EARLY 70'S WERE SOMETIMES CONFRONTATIONAL....BUT THE PRIDE DIDNT KICK IN UNTIL OTHER YOUNG BROTHERS STOOD WITH ME , OR I WITH THEM........ESPECIALLY WHEN MUHAMMAD ALI WON A FIGHT OR WHEN O.J. RAN FOR A TD OR WHEN ARTHUR ASHE WON WIMBELDON.....AND I KNOW A LOT OF US YOUNG BLACK KIDS IN THOSE DAYS WERE ESPECIALLY FOND OF MICHAEL ON GOOD TIMES FOR HIS NON-STOP BLACK AWARENESS & HIS COURAGE TO STAND BY OUR RICH , PROUD & TRUE BLACK HISTORY....

TOMMIE SMITH & JOHN CARLOS STOOD TOGETHER....PRESERVING THEIR BLACKNESS & LETTING IT SHINE...

PERSONALLY , EMULATING THAT AS A CHILD SEEMED REAL KOOL TO ME...

I HAVE HAD MORE THAN MY SHARE OF BUMPING HEADS WITH BROTHERS OVER THE YEARS , AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT IGNORANCE ALONE IS A POWERFUL TOOL WHEN IT DWELLS IN THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENT....

I GREW UP IN A MOSTLY MALE FAMILY...SO , THEREFORE.....

I AM WILLING TO SHARE WITH & LEARN FROM ANY BROTHER....
I AM WILLING TO BE UNITED WITH ANY BROTHER REGARDLESS OF ANY DIFFERENCES.....FOR THE SAKE OF VISION...
AND I AM WILLING TO DO MY PART TO NURTURE ANY ELEMENT OF BOND WITH BROTHERS SO THAT OUR CHILDREN CAN HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION....


WARRIOR





WARRIOR,

Welcome home, because you are. Just reading this brings back all the memories and you touched on some deep parts, for real. Look, we are serious, we have a plan and there is too much to share in this reply, so, just start coming to Bros. Chat on Tuesdays, get a mic, if not as you can see, we are in the process of acquiring some, and so forth.

This thread, especially beginning at post #59 is what we are about, I would suggest that you bring yourself up to speed by capturing our purpose and as they say, get in where you fit in, lol and Peace In WARRIOR, for real.

Know this, we are glad to have you on board this Train!

BROTHER CLYDE....

I APPRECIATE YOUR EMBRACE & INVITATIONS DEEPLY....AND I MUST SAY.....IT FEELS DAM GOOD TO BE ACCEPTED INTO ANY UNITY , BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY NICE...

AS FOR THE TUESDAY NIGHT GATHERINGS.....BECAUSE OF THE HIGHLY VISIBLE LAYOFF GM IS GRANTING US.....I WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE FOR THE NEXT 8 TUESDAYS....THEN I GO BACK TO THE GRIM REALITY AS AN AUTO WORKER ON THE NIGHT SHIFT.....SO , MY PARTICIPATION WILL BE LIMITED....

BUT , YOU HAVE MY WORD THAT I WILL BE A SERIOUS REGULAR IN THE BLACK MEN FORUMS.....

AGAIN.....THANK YOU....& PEACE


WARRIOR

BROTHER CLYDE....

I APPRECIATE YOUR EMBRACE & INVITATIONS DEEPLY....AND I MUST SAY.....IT FEELS DAM GOOD TO BE ACCEPTED INTO ANY UNITY , BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY NICE...

AS FOR THE TUESDAY NIGHT GATHERINGS.....BECAUSE OF THE HIGHLY VISIBLE LAYOFF GM IS GRANTING US.....I WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE FOR THE NEXT 8 TUESDAYS....THEN I GO BACK TO THE GRIM REALITY AS AN AUTO WORKER ON THE NIGHT SHIFT.....SO , MY PARTICIPATION WILL BE LIMITED....

BUT , YOU HAVE MY WORD THAT I WILL BE A SERIOUS REGULAR IN THE BLACK MEN FORUMS.....

AGAIN.....THANK YOU....& PEACE


WARRIOR




Brother WARRIOR, likewise, good to have you my brother friend, for real.

Thanks guys brother WARRIOR indeed welcome within the brotherhood at Destee.com
we have a vision a plan and working action set in place to move us as men forward
I can remember every lick you hit that made me proud to be black and with pride as
i would raise my fist in the air in the late 60's throughout the 70's into the 80's
thank you brother for sharing and coming aboard with us as we reach out in unity

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday May 12, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

As many as 10 brothers came together and resolved to bond as Black Men and take leadership toward the goal of Brotherhood. This concept was first brought to Brothers Chat by $$RICH$$, May 4, 2006, and is ironically revised during its 3 year anniversary. The brother spells out sixteen (16) steps and we encourage our brothers to adopt these ideals. The glue that brought us together involves step #10, by coming to the aid of Sister Linda Chavis and her computer problem. It was agreed that Tariq would investigate Linda’ s computer problem and let us know how to proceed, assuring that Linda wasn’t getting ripped for with the 100.00 fees. In fact Linda had negotiated with the CEO of Compact by reducing her costs from 300.00 to the hundred dollars.

We agreed to invite Linda Chavis and Sister Destee to our next schedule meeting, May 19th, for testimony and guidance/Blessings, respectively. We also adopted the idea of bro HODEE and bro Info-moetry to revive an Emergency Financial Family Fund, first suggested by bro lilpea sometime back. The brothers decide to solicit and make contributions to this Fund, and would consider it appropriate to place the Fund in the highest yielding interest bearing Bank Account possible, but accessible.

Bros. Chat will track the group’s contributions through reports, and encourages the Sisters to get involved mutually. At present, the idea is as bro oldsoul testified, there is a recession and we never know who can be struck and wounded, and oldsoul attested this truth through a recent personal calamity out of which this family came to his rescue.

In addition, the Fund can be used to purchase mic’s, etc… as well as funding various projects that are under way from the GroupThink Project-Group perspective.

In conclusion, Brother Info-moetry calls for us to begin a fast, Friday, May 15, 2009. To review the current update concerning the case of Linda Chavis, and thereafter, please visit Linda’s profile page…Peace In Family, for real.







Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday May 19, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


Although we agreed to invite sister Destee and Linda Chavis to this meeting, the intent remains, and will be eventually realized. We are proud to annouce that per Step #10, the Chavis Project was sucessuful and completed today, Linda mailed off her computer to Compact. Also, Brother Info-moetry has acquired six(6) mic's and awaits receipt from those needing mic's, you make contact Info here: sncr7@yahoo.com ...In addition, several of us also fasted on the 15th. This marks our first Brotherhood entry to be updated soon, to the Master Project List thread.

Sisters truetothecause, Linda Chavis and epiphany will be given the contact information, which means we have three(3) on hand for those that follow this simple procedure.

Again, the Family Emergency Financial Fund was approached and seeks the final disposition from Sister Destee, either in Thursday's meeting or our next Brothers Chat. In addition, though Brothers Chat had resolved to report our input into the Fund, separate and apart from general contributions for tracking purposes, we amended that position until after the Fund is restablished by Destee, point made by Bro. lilpea.

Brother $$RICH$$ put an apology on the table which was well received by the majority of those in attendance, and concludes the end and starts a new beginning. Brother Nasheed continues to fight the good fight on his homefront, until he's able to relocate. Pray for our brother Nasheed and desire to improve the surroundings of his Family....Peace In my brother friends, for real.

Thankz for the updates and what i've missed coming late and all !

TO BROTHER $$RICH$$....

I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION & YOUR WARM WELCOME HIGHLY.....

WITH MY FIST IN THE AIR , OUT OF RESPECT , NEWFOUND UNITY , AND PRIDE.....

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.....


WARRIOR

Without a doubt brother WARRIOR it our time to come together as one voice
and do what they say we couldn't do as men of color

looking forward to networking with you and brotherhooding !

Bro. $$RICH$$,

Can you sticky this thread, along with the Master Project LIst thread at the top of our Brothers Chat forum so that they will not be so hard to find...Peace In, for real.

Yes no problem brother Clyde ......Done !

Yes no problem brother Clyde ......Done !





Thanks Bro. $$RICH$$, for real.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday May 19, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


Although we agreed to invite sister Destee and Linda Chavis to this meeting, the intent remains, and will be eventually realized. We are proud to annouce that per Step #10, the Chavis Project was sucessuful and completed today, Linda mailed off her computer to Compact. Also, Brother Info-moetry has acquired six(6) mic's and awaits receipt from those needing mic's, you make contact Info here: sncr7@yahoo.com ...In addition, several of us also fasted on the 15th. This marks our first Brotherhood entry to be updated soon, to the Master Project List thread.

Sisters truetothecause, Linda Chavis and epiphany will be given the contact information, which means we have three(3) on hand for those that follow this simple procedure.

Again, the Family Emergency Financial Fund was approached and seeks the final disposition from Sister Destee, either in Thursday's meeting or our next Brothers Chat. In addition, though Brothers Chat had resolved to report our input into the Fund, separate and apart from general contributions for tracking purposes, we amended that position until after the Fund is restablished by Destee, point made by Bro. lilpea.

Brother $$RICH$$ put an apology on the table which was well received by the majority of those in attendance, and concludes the end and starts a new beginning. Brother Nasheed continues to fight the good fight on his homefront, until he's able to relocate. Pray for our brother Nasheed and desire to improve the surroundings of his Family....Peace In my brother friends, for real.







Updates and Follow-up of Thursday's Rebuilding/Reuniting the Community meeting:


epiphany purchased her mic already, which affords someone else a mic

cherryblossom needs a mic and has been updated with information

Sister Destee attended Thursday's meeting and gave her blessings to the implementation of the new, Family Emergency Financial Fund.

Linda Chavis has been invited to tonights Brothers Chat meeting and pledges to attend

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday May 19, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


Although we agreed to invite sister Destee and Linda Chavis to this meeting, the intent remains, and will be eventually realized. We are proud to annouce that per Step #10, the Chavis Project was sucessuful and completed today, Linda mailed off her computer to Compact. Also, Brother Info-moetry has acquired six(6) mic's and awaits receipt from those needing mic's, you make contact Info here: sncr7@yahoo.com ...In addition, several of us also fasted on the 15th. This marks our first Brotherhood entry to be updated soon, to the Master Project List thread.

Sisters truetothecause, Linda Chavis and epiphany will be given the contact information, which means we have three(3) on hand for those that follow this simple procedure.

Again, the Family Emergency Financial Fund was approached and seeks the final disposition from Sister Destee, either in Thursday's meeting or our next Brothers Chat. In addition, though Brothers Chat had resolved to report our input into the Fund, separate and apart from general contributions for tracking purposes, we amended that position until after the Fund is restablished by Destee, point made by Bro. lilpea.

Brother $$RICH$$ put an apology on the table which was well received by the majority of those in attendance, and concludes the end and starts a new beginning. Brother Nasheed continues to fight the good fight on his homefront, until he's able to relocate. Pray for our brother Nasheed and desire to improve the surroundings of his Family....Peace In my brother friends, for real.







Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday May 26, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

Family, lets all pray for our brother oldsoul and his mother. Lets pray for her medical condition to stablize, and for total peace to oldsoul's family.

After much discussion on the Internet banking tool, PayPal; Bro. Tariq will fully investigate the agency and discover whether or not Brothers Chat will be better served in the implementation of the new Family Emergency Financial Fund(FEFF), both individually and group wise. Next Tuesday's meeting should put us on the way to setting up the FEFF either with PayPal, a Savings Account that is assessable, or an assessable interest bearing bank account.

There was a move to set up officers and form a committee to monitor and disperse funds. Bro. HODEE nominated Tariq Muhammed as its Treasurer, and a determination was made to include Sister Destee as an automatic committee member through ad hoc or adjunct, pending her decision. The reasonng behind Destee's automactic position is due to her owership of the Site. Tariq will give the Treasurer position some thought and a decision, hopefully, by Tuesday's meeting.

There was some discussion on how we should kick off making contributions to the FEFF, in view of no solid conclusion, the matter is tabled until Tuesday's meeting.

The issue of syncronizing Brothers Only Chat starting time was agreed upon to reflect 8:00 PM Eastern(7 Central, 5 Pacific) on the calendar page and index pages. Currently, those pages show inconsistent times of 8:30 PM Eastern, 9:00 PM Eastern and 10:00 PM - 12:00 AM. Bro. $$RICH$$ agreed to make the corrections.

Brother WARRIOR made his first Brothers Chat meeting and was well received by the group, and the brother found his mic at the very end.

Relevant Bump..Meeting Day

MEETING!

we all there wit cha brother Clyde !!!

we all there wit cha brother Clyde !!!




Appreciate that $$RICH$$, for real. We still didn't get a chance to bring up the Prison outreach agenda, but we will. Actually we were blessed to even have the meeting with the weather the way it was...Peace In and I certainly thank you for the support $RICH$$, we will succeed with this.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday May 26, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

Family, lets all pray for our brother oldsoul and his mother. Lets pray for her medical condition to stablize, and for total peace to oldsoul's family.

After much discussion on the Internet banking tool, PayPal; Bro. Tariq will fully investigate the agency and discover whether or not Brothers Chat will be better served in the implementation of the new Family Emergency Financial Fund(FEFF), both individually and group wise. Next Tuesday's meeting should put us on the way to setting up the FEFF either with PayPal, a Savings Account that is assessable, or an assessable interest bearing bank account.

There was a move to set up officers and form a committee to monitor and disperse funds. Bro. HODEE nominated Tariq Muhammed as its Treasurer, and a determination was made to include Sister Destee as an automatic committee member through ad hoc or adjunct, pending her decision. The reasonng behind Destee's automactic position is due to her owership of the Site. Tariq will give the Treasurer position some thought and a decision, hopefully, by Tuesday's meeting.

There was some discussion on how we should kick off making contributions to the FEFF, in view of no solid conclusion, the matter is tabled until Tuesday's meeting.

The issue of syncronizing Brothers Only Chat starting time was agreed upon to reflect 8:00 PM Eastern(7 Central, 5 Pacific) on the calendar page and index pages. Currently, those pages show inconsistent times of 8:30 PM Eastern, 9:00 PM Eastern and 10:00 PM - 12:00 AM. Bro. $$RICH$$ agreed to make the corrections.

Brother WARRIOR made his first Brothers Chat meeting and was well received by the group, and the brother found his mic at the very end.





Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday June 02, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC)….. (Special Guest was Linda Chavis):

HODEE
Lilpea
Monetary
Saglifesaw
$$RICH$$
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

A note to my brothers, please keep updated by reading the Recaps of each meeting in the Brother Men Unite/To my Destee brothers thread, and the Master Project List thread. I need your help for verification purposes of what we do conclude as business. These threads are located in our Brothers Only Chat Forum: http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=293

Not only has $$RICH$$ made the more important threads Sticky in the Forum, he has also changed our meeting times to the correct hour (7:00 PM Central or 8:00 PM Eastern). The only thing $$RICH$$ needs to do at this point is to change the Facilitator from Kemetkind to Tariq Muhammad. Because new people are coming in all the time, it helps to keep the record straight.

Meeting Results:

Brother Tariq has not made a decision to accept the Treasurer position yet, but he is leaning in that direction, lol. Tariq did his homework on investigating PayPal, but has more work to do in determining small details to fit our profile. The brother asks for help with PayPal and Brother HODEE stepped up, but based upon what he did find out was enough to call for a vote which passed for BC to go with PayPal, at least until we build the Fund enough to place it into an accessible interest bearing account.

After much discussion on who can draw from the FEFF (Family Emergency Financial Fund) we concluded that across the board, register members whether Black, Green or Red are eligible to draw, if donations are made. A donation is a donation with not set amount, some may be able to donate more and some less. Premium members are already supporting the Site, so this donation would be in addition to that cost.

We also concluded that these efforts would remain in-house and that Sister Destee is automatically ad hoc or adjunct to our efforts through her blessings and being apart of any committee we may form, because this is her Site with exclusive rights. This position comes after much discussion and dialogue over the pass 3 weeks or so. As we build the FEFF, its name and location may change to a Bank and to better identify the various purposes for the Fund. The central basis for the Fund currently is to aide and assist Destee.com Family members in hard times during this Recession. And there are other functions for the Fund as well. For example, Site maintenance, up front monies for the T-Shirt program, The Anthology, the newsletter, Moderator pay, etc…It is understood, that as we move into our Greatness (One Step Away From Greatness, by oldsoul…July, 2005), all revenue generating sources (Anthology, T-Shirts, newsletter sales, etc…) will contribute to the FEFF, in large proportions.

Sister Linda Chavis concluded our meeting by talking on the mic she received directly from bro Info-moetry and the computer aid project from Brothers Chat...It was a blessing and a Grand occassion.

I'll get that change done as well brother Clyde

I'll get that change done as well brother Clyde




Thanks Bro. $$RICH$$, I see you have already made it, great!

Likewise , no problem brother Clyde

Likewise , no problem brother Clyde





$$RICH$$,

We are almost there, but I am a stickler for exactness, lol. Here is what we have:

When you go to the, what I call the Index page that shows all of the forums, we show Bros. Only Chat to start at 8:30 PM ET, Tariq Muhammed, Facilitator.

Right below and on the same page (Index) we have the Calendar, which shows a starting time of 9:00 PM ET.

When you click the calendar, we show a link to queentswana, and it shows this:
This event occurs every 1 week(s) on Tuesday
11-25-2008 to 11-26-2009
10:00 PM to 12:00 AM

Now we know that our real starting time is 8:00 PM ET. Please forgive me $$RICH$$, for this attention to detail, for real.

WHILE I WAS IN ATTENDANCE IN THE BROTHERS CHAT ON 9 JUNE 09.....I NOTICED QUITE A FEW BROTHERS HAVING MULTIPLE PROBLEMS WITH :

1 STAYING CONNECTED IN THE CHATROOM
2 NOT BEING ABLE TO HEAR
3 NOT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK
4 CONSTANTLY REBOOTING

EVEN AFTER A FEW BROTHERS REBOOTED , THEY RETURNED TO THE CHATROOM ONLY TO BE INSTANTLY FACED WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS THEY HAD WHEN THEY LEFT.....CAUSING THEM TO REBOOT AGAIN.......AND AGAIN.....

I USED TO BE A REGULAR ON THE CHAT SITE CALLED..."PALTALK".....

I WITNESSED THESE SAME PROBLEMS THERE AT PALTALK FOR QUITE SOME TIME....AND THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF THOSE PROBLEMS WAS IN FACT......VIRUSES.....

PEOPLE EITHER DIDNT HAVE OR DIDNT ACKNOWLEDGE A VIRUS-PROTECTOR....AND ONCE THEY RAN A SCAN FROM A RESPECTABLE VIRUS PROTECTOR , THEY WERE BLOWN AWAY BY THE RESULTS....AND AFTER THEY GOT EITHER MOST OF OR HALF OF THEIR VIRUSES OUT OF THEIR COMPUTERS.......THEY INSTANTLY WITNESSED PROGRESS WHEN PARTICIPATING IN CHATROOMS ON PALTALK...

NOW....IM NOT CLAIMING NEGLECT ON ANYONE....IN MY EXPERIENCE , SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT KNOW........I REPAIR , UPGRADE , AND BUILD COMPUTERS AS A SIDE GIG.....AND I CAN TELL YOU BROTHERS THAT VIRUSES ARE THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM I FACE WHEN I REPAIR OR UPGRADE A COMPUTER...

ON EACH COMPUTER I WORK ON , I INSTALL AVG 8.0........I HAVE IT ON ALL OF THE COMPUTERS IN MY HOME AND I HARDLY EVER HAVE TO REFORMAT A COMPUTER I HAVE FIXED IN LESS THAN A YEAR.....

AVG 8.0 IS VERY GOOD....ITS SOLID AND DEPENDABLE......PLUS IT COMES WITH ITS OWN FIREWALL , WHICH IN MY OPINION , BLOWS AWAY THE MICROSOFT FIREWALL THAT COMES WITH WINDOWS.....

I SUGGEST THAT ANYONE WHO ISNT HAPPY WITH THEIR VIRUS PROTECTION OR SIMPLY DONT HAVE ONE , TO TRY AVG 8.0......IF YOU TRY IT & DECIDE YOU LIKE IT.....JUST LET ME KNOW , AND I CAN SUPPLY SOME REGISTRATION KEYS THAT ARE LEGIT.....SO YOU CAN KEEP IT....

NOW......THERES ANOTHER ISSUE CONCERNING CONNECTION PROBLEMS IN CHATROOMS....AND THATS THE NEWEST OPERATING SYSTEM BY WINDOWS........CALLED VISTA...

PEOPLE ON PALTALK I BEEN TOLD ARE STILL CATCHING HELL WITH THEIR SOUND & MICROPHONE BECAUSE OF VISTA....ON THAT NOTE...ALL I CAN SAY IS....."IF YOU HAVE WINDOWS XP , STICK WITH IT"........

I DONT LIKE VISTA ALL THAT MUCH......AND I DONT INSTALL IT UNLESS A CUSTOMER ASKS ME FOR IT....THE LATEST SERVICE PACK UPDATE FOR VISTA IS TREACHEROUS IN MY OPINION...CAUSING OR INVITING NEW PROBLEMS THAT REQUIRE COMPLEX SOLUTIONS....I HAVE A COMPLETE GUIDE ON VISTA AND ITS REQUIREMENTS FOR EFFECTIVE PERFORMANCE.........BUT I DONT TRUST IT...

IF I CAN HELP ANY OF YOU BROTHERS.......PLEASE LET ME KNOW...


WARRIOR

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday June 02, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC)….. (Special Guest was Linda Chavis):

HODEE
Lilpea
Monetary
Saglifesaw
$$RICH$$
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

A note to my brothers, please keep updated by reading the Recaps of each meeting in the Brother Men Unite/To my Destee brothers thread, and the Master Project List thread. I need your help for verification purposes of what we do conclude as business. These threads are located in our Brothers Only Chat Forum: http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=293

Not only has $$RICH$$ made the more important threads Sticky in the Forum, he has also changed our meeting times to the correct hour (7:00 PM Central or 8:00 PM Eastern). The only thing $$RICH$$ needs to do at this point is to change the Facilitator from Kemetkind to Tariq Muhammad. Because new people are coming in all the time, it helps to keep the record straight.

Meeting Results:

Brother Tariq has not made a decision to accept the Treasurer position yet, but he is leaning in that direction, lol. Tariq did his homework on investigating PayPal, but has more work to do in determining small details to fit our profile. The brother asks for help with PayPal and Brother HODEE stepped up, but based upon what he did find out was enough to call for a vote which passed for BC to go with PayPal, at least until we build the Fund enough to place it into an accessible interest bearing account.

After much discussion on who can draw from the FEFF (Family Emergency Financial Fund) we concluded that across the board, register members whether Black, Green or Red are eligible to draw, if donations are made. A donation is a donation with not set amount, some may be able to donate more and some less. Premium members are already supporting the Site, so this donation would be in addition to that cost.

We also concluded that these efforts would remain in-house and that Sister Destee is automatically ad hoc or adjunct to our efforts through her blessings and being apart of any committee we may form, because this is her Site with exclusive rights. This position comes after much discussion and dialogue over the pass 3 weeks or so. As we build the FEFF, its name and location may change to a Bank and to better identify the various purposes for the Fund. The central basis for the Fund currently is to aide and assist Destee.com Family members in hard times during this Recession. And there are other functions for the Fund as well. For example, Site maintenance, up front monies for the T-Shirt program, The Anthology, the newsletter, Moderator pay, etc…It is understood, that as we move into our Greatness (One Step Away From Greatness, by oldsoul…July, 2005), all revenue generating sources (Anthology, T-Shirts, newsletter sales, etc…) will contribute to the FEFF, in large proportions.

Sister Linda Chavis concluded our meeting by talking on the mic she received directly from bro Info-moetry and the computer aid project from Brothers Chat...It was a blessing and a Grand occassion.







Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday June 10, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

HODEE
Lilpea
Monetary
mohammed
Nasheed
Saglifesaw
anAfrican
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues: Bro. lilpea has created a special room called "mic check," this will enable those that need to learn proper Chat Room protocol and procedures with direct on spot tutoring. With all the problems we incurred this past meeting, Brothers are being asked to please clear cookies by cleaning your disk prior to coming into the Chat Room at 7 PM. If it all possible, the Room needs to be reset prior to the meeting. This will help cut down on having to refresh the Room so much. A key player absence from the meeting was Bro. $$RICH$$.

Brother Info-moetry reports to have 5 mic's still available, and we are encouraged to solicit for members still needing mic's.

Meeting Results:

Bro. Tariq read back the minutes of our previous meeting and ask for questions to the reading. With no objections or questions, the minutes stood approved as read.

Discussion: After much talk on money issues, such as who will be able to draw from the FEFF, what is considered a donation, under what conditions can a person qualify for help etc...it was determined that a committee would be established to make decisions. And based upon Tariq setting up a business PayPal account, a financial report would be automatically generated by PayPal, which could identify who donated and how much. Brother Tariq directed us to stay focused on one step at a time, and strongly indicated that by Thursdays Rebuilding/Reuniting the Community meeting, we should have the Family Emergency Financial Fund up and running, and be able to introduced its purposes in that meeting. All agreed.

At this point in the meeting, the flow was interrupted by Chat Room difficulties that actually effected everyone, and myself even worst. But the majority attending was able to continue and concluded the meeting properly. The important actions of the group will be introduced verbally by Tariq at the next meeting.

Brother WARRIOR has posted to the Black Men Unite/to my Destee Brothers thread an idea to help off-set future Chat Room technical problems, all should read and review what this brother brings to the table. WARRIOR also workd with computers in a similar capacity as Tariq. As an example, Bro. WARRIOR says the following:

ON EACH COMPUTER I WORK ON , I INSTALL AVG 8.0........I HAVE IT ON ALL OF THE COMPUTERS IN MY HOME AND I HARDLY EVER HAVE TO REFORMAT A COMPUTER I HAVE FIXED IN LESS THAN A YEAR.....

The meeting concluded on time and with the prayer, and with all in attendance speaking on the mic with the exception of bro. saglifesaw.

I'll be sure to be at our next meeting .......working late toss me off track.

I'll be sure to be at our next meeting .......working late toss me off track.




Yes of course Bro $$RICH$$, see you there.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday June 10, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

HODEE
Lilpea
Monetary
mohammed
Nasheed
Saglifesaw
anAfrican
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues: Bro. lilpea has created a special room called "mic check," this will enable those that need to learn proper Chat Room protocol and procedures with direct on spot tutoring. With all the problems we incurred this past meeting, Brothers are being asked to please clear cookies by cleaning your disk prior to coming into the Chat Room at 7 PM. If it all possible, the Room needs to be reset prior to the meeting. This will help cut down on having to refresh the Room so much. A key player absence from the meeting was Bro. $$RICH$$.

Brother Info-moetry reports to have 5 mic's still available, and we are encouraged to solicit for members still needing mic's.

Meeting Results:

Bro. Tariq read back the minutes of our previous meeting and ask for questions to the reading. With no objections or questions, the minutes stood approved as read.

Discussion: After much talk on money issues, such as who will be able to draw from the FEFF, what is considered a donation, under what conditions can a person qualify for help etc...it was determined that a committee would be established to make decisions. And based upon Tariq setting up a business PayPal account, a financial report would be automatically generated by PayPal, which could identify who donated and how much. Brother Tariq directed us to stay focused on one step at a time, and strongly indicated that by Thursdays Rebuilding/Reuniting the Community meeting, we should have the Family Emergency Financial Fund up and running, and be able to introduced its purposes in that meeting. All agreed.

At this point in the meeting, the flow was interrupted by Chat Room difficulties that actually effected everyone, and myself even worst. But the majority attending was able to continue and concluded the meeting properly. The important actions of the group will be introduced verbally by Tariq at the next meeting.

Brother WARRIOR has posted to the Black Men Unite/to my Destee Brothers thread an idea to help off-set future Chat Room technical problems, all should read and review what this brother brings to the table. WARRIOR also workd with computers in a similar capacity as Tariq. As an example, Bro. WARRIOR says the following:

ON EACH COMPUTER I WORK ON , I INSTALL AVG 8.0........I HAVE IT ON ALL OF THE COMPUTERS IN MY HOME AND I HARDLY EVER HAVE TO REFORMAT A COMPUTER I HAVE FIXED IN LESS THAN A YEAR.....

The meeting concluded on time and with the prayer, and with all in attendance speaking on the mic with the exception of bro. saglifesaw.







Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday June 23, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

youngblackceo
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues: There is unrest in the forums pertaining to religious discussion. Sister Destee will be invited to Thursday's meeting and asked what can be done to clear the air. Specifically, Destee will be asked to explain the rule of everyone posting everywhere.

Sister cherryblossom has received a mic from bro. Info-moetry, which makes four (4) mic's on hand, and brother WARRIOR has one mic to add. Since cherryblossom informed us that sister asimplepoet needs a mic, WARRIOR agreed to forward that mic to the sister. Also effective July 13, 2009, WARRIOR will begin the evening shift (3:30 PM-01:30 AM) and be unable to attend Brother's Chat. However, WARRIOR will continue in stride by reviewing the meeting minutes and providing input to this thread. His input will become subject matter at the next meeting.

The FEFF's (Family Emergency Financial Fund) current balance is 100.00 dollars.

Discussion: It was decided to begin discussion on at what balance amount will we begin dispersing funds from the FEFF account. Bro. WARRIOR came to the mic with a 1,500 proposal. Bro. Clyde came to the mic with a 1,000 dollar proposal. Brother Tariq, decided to table those amounts until the core element of the group was present.

Bro. Nasheed had pertinent questions concerning PayPal, which were adequately addressed. Nasheed's primary issue was taxes and whether or not we had considered them. It was determined that Bro. $$RICH$$ should add bro. Nasheed as a facilitator on the Index Page of the BC Forum, along with bro. Tariq Muhammad.

Brother Tariq was asked about his decision to accept the Treasurer position, Tariq accepted the position, and informed bro. Clyde that the group also had appointed him as Co-Treasurer.

The meeting went well and concluded on time with prayer.

Timely Bump

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday June 23, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

youngblackceo
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues: There is unrest in the forums pertaining to religious discussion. Sister Destee will be invited to Thursday's meeting and asked what can be done to clear the air. Specifically, Destee will be asked to explain the rule of everyone posting everywhere.

Sister cherryblossom has received a mic from bro. Info-moetry, which makes four (4) mic's on hand, and brother WARRIOR has one mic to add. Since cherryblossom informed us that sister asimplepoet needs a mic, WARRIOR agreed to forward that mic to the sister. Also effective July 13, 2009, WARRIOR will begin the evening shift (3:30 PM-01:30 AM) and be unable to attend Brother's Chat. However, WARRIOR will continue in stride by reviewing the meeting minutes and providing input to this thread. His input will become subject matter at the next meeting.

The FEFF's (Family Emergency Financial Fund) current balance is 100.00 dollars.

Discussion: It was decided to begin discussion on at what balance amount will we begin dispersing funds from the FEFF account. Bro. WARRIOR came to the mic with a 1,500 proposal. Bro. Clyde came to the mic with a 1,000 dollar proposal. Brother Tariq, decided to table those amounts until the core element of the group was present.

Bro. Nasheed had pertinent questions concerning PayPal, which were adequately addressed. Nasheed's primary issue was taxes and whether or not we had considered them. It was determined that Bro. $$RICH$$ should add bro. Nasheed as a facilitator on the Index Page of the BC Forum, along with bro. Tariq Muhammad.

Brother Tariq was asked about his decision to accept the Treasurer position, Tariq accepted the position, and informed bro. Clyde that the group also had appointed him as Co-Treasurer.

The meeting went well and concluded on time with prayer.






Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday June 30, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
youngblackceo
HODEE
mohammed
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

The meeting open on time and with the Prayer of Empowerment by Brother Tariq. The minutes were read back and accepted.

General Issues: Brother lilpea brought a very serious issue to the table concerning Chat Room technical difficulities, and how acrosss the board, our efforts are hampered by freezes, kick outs, etc...Our brother asks that we of Brothers Chat step up and assist Sister Destee, through Site Maintenance, with the necessary funds to upgrade the forums and the Chat Room. No vote was call for but in spirit there was agreement. lilpea and Tariq, working with queentswana will ascertain the amount needed for the upgrade.

Our Brother Nasheed put a matter before the brothers and the vote passed to make an advance payment to Sister Destee covering 2 months of Premium Membership, at 10.00 dollars per month, by Friday(July 03) . Nasheed will make restitution in due time.

Sister asimplepoet reported today to be in receipt of the mic sent by Brother Warrior. The current mic count is four(4) mic's on hand with Brother Info-moetry. Brothers Chat to date has forwarded three(3) mic's successfully to our sisters, Linda Chavis, cherryblossom and asimplepoet, well done brothers in keeping with rule #10 of the Brotherhood.

The FEFF's (Family Emergency Financial Fund) current balance is 100.00 dollars. During the meeting, Brother Warrior made a 30.00 gift deposit, with 10.00 dollars allocated to increasing Nasheed's membership from 1 month to 2 months.

Discussion: A 1,500 dollar amount FEFF savings before dispersing funds motion passed by majority vote. The proposal was initiated by Warrior. As facilitator, Nasheed agrees to be back-up minute taker behind brother Tariq.

In view of the current Chat Room problems, Brother HODEE suggested we ask for access to the Old Chat Room. It was agreed that lilpea would take the matter to sister queentswana for action.

Being proactive, Brother Warrior, again, during the meeting, actually set-up a back-up to the back-up Chat Room solution by creating Destee.com Brothers Chat at the paltalk site, below are the details:

DESTEE BROTHERS CHAT ON PALTALK

CHAT SERVICE : PALTALK.COM

CHAT ROOM NAME - DESTEE BROTHERS CHAT

CATEGORY - ETHNIC GROUPS

SUBCATEGORY - AFRICAN-AMERICAN

KEYWORD - TUESDAY

ADMIN CODE - XXXX - ( this is for you & or Tariq to enter the chat room as administrators )


AFTER YOU GO THERE AND SIGN UP TO BECOME A MEMBER OF PALTALK , THE REST IS EASY , JUST GO TO ALL ROOMS , THEN CHOOSE ETHNIC GROUPS , THEN CHOOSE DESTEE BROTHERS CHAT........JUST KNOW IN ORDER FOR BROTHERS TO GET TO THE ROOM , THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP FIRST.......AND SOMEONE HAS TO OPEN IT UP IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE BROTHERS

The final 30 minutes of meeting time was terribly interrupted with Red Lights, Freeze-ups, etc...but was also blessed with brothers saglifesaw and youngblackceo attending. We concluded on time with our customary Prayer, and after the meeting, Tariq and I brought saglifesaw and youngblackceo up to speed with highlights of the meeting and the importance of signing up with PayPal...both will receive links to our Forum and PayPay info.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday June 30, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
youngblackceo
HODEE
mohammed
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment by Brother Tariq. The minutes were read back and accepted.

General Issues: Brother lilpea brought a very serious issue to the table concerning Chat Room technical difficulities, and how acrosss the board, our efforts are hampered by freezes, kick outs, etc...Our brother asks that we of Brothers Chat step up and assist Sister Destee, through Site Maintenance, with the necessary funds to upgrade the forums and the Chat Room. No vote was call for but in spirit there was agreement. lilpea and Tariq, working with queentswana will ascertain the amount needed for the upgrade.

Our Brother Nasheed put a matter before the brothers and the vote passed to make an advance payment to Sister Destee covering 2 months of Premium Membership, at 10.00 dollars per month, by Friday(July 03) . Nasheed will make restitution in due time.

Sister asimplepoet reported today to be in receipt of the mic sent by Brother Warrior. The current mic count is four(4) mic's on hand with Brother Info-moetry. Brothers Chat to date has forwarded three(3) mic's successfully to our sisters, Linda Chavis, cherryblossom and asimplepoet, well done brothers in keeping with rule #10 of the Brotherhood.

The FEFF's (Family Emergency Financial Fund) current balance is 100.00 dollars. During the meeting, Brother Warrior made a 30.00 gift deposit, with 10.00 dollars allocated to increasing Nasheed's membership from 1 month to 2 months.

Discussion: A 1,500 dollar amount FEFF savings before dispersing funds motion passed by majority vote. The proposal was initiated by Warrior. As facilitator, Nasheed agrees to be back-up minute taker behind brother Tariq.

In view of the current Chat Room problems, Brother HODEE suggested we ask for access to the Old Chat Room. It was agreed that lilpea would take the matter to sister queentswana for action.

Being proactive, Brother Warrior, again, during the meeting, actually set-up a back-up to the back-up Chat Room solution by creating Destee.com Brothers Chat at the paltalk site, below are the details:

DESTEE BROTHERS CHAT ON PALTALK

CHAT SERVICE : PALTALK.COM

CHAT ROOM NAME - DESTEE BROTHERS CHAT

CATEGORY - ETHNIC GROUPS

SUBCATEGORY - AFRICAN-AMERICAN

KEYWORD - TUESDAY

ADMIN CODE - XXXX - ( this is for you & or Tariq to enter the chat room as administrators )


AFTER YOU GO THERE AND SIGN UP TO BECOME A MEMBER OF PALTALK , THE REST IS EASY , JUST GO TO ALL ROOMS , THEN CHOOSE ETHNIC GROUPS , THEN CHOOSE DESTEE BROTHERS CHAT........JUST KNOW IN ORDER FOR BROTHERS TO GET TO THE ROOM , THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP FIRST.......AND SOMEONE HAS TO OPEN IT UP IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE BROTHERS

The final 30 minutes of meeting time was terribly interrupted with Red Lights, Freeze-ups, etc...but was also blessed with brothers saglifesaw and youngblackceo attending. We concluded on time with our customary Prayer, and after the meeting, Tariq and I brought saglifesaw and youngblackceo up to speed with highlights of the meeting and the importance of signing up with PayPal...both will receive links to our Forum and PayPay info.






Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday July 07, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
HODEE
lilpea
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment by Brother Tariq. The minutes were read back and accepted.

General Issues: Brother Nasheed was first in the Chat Room and passed on what little he had learned from Sister Destee about the upgrade features. Nasheed then challenged the decision made by Tariq and Clyde to assist Destee with site maintenance help from FEFF, but after all facts were presented, the brother accepted the decision, as did most if not all of the Brotherhood.

With the Chat Room about to crash, a decision was made July 02, 2009 at 15:15 PM to pay out 80.00(20.00 in late charges, 40.00 for licenses and 20 Dollars for 2 months of Premium membership for Brother Nasheed) to Sister Destee in order to upgrade the Forums and the Chat Room. As promised, Brother Clyde made a gift deposit of 50.00 to FEFF. After much discussion, lilpea decided to get with Sister Destee to find out what it takes to keep the site up with maintenance, and will bring this info back to BC by next meeting.

Brother saglifesaw came to the mic and dropped a ton of praise for the site and the efforts of Brother's Chat. saglifesaw continues to offer his financial support toward the positive things happening at Destee.com, the brother moved the room in spirit. Brother WARRIOR pledged another 25.00 dollars to the FEFF's outstanding balance of 98.83, and advised us of his availability to meet with us twice in August, based on work place conditions.

Tariq asked WARRIOR to come to the mic and expound more on PalTalk. WARRIOR gave us the details about DesteeBrothersChat, which is also in last weeks minutes. Tariq moved that the eight brothers in the room tonight, plus Bro. $$RICH$$, are consided the core foundation of the Brotherhood in Brothers Chat, and no one objected:

saglifesaw
HODEE
lilpea
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Tariq. During the meeting, there were no glitches, freezes, or kick outs, and the Brothers had nothing but praise for the work of Sister Destee.

Step #10:

10. OPPORTUNITY to change how our women see us how black men are labled
to bring back manhood and do what society say we can't do as black men

Timely bump for tonights meeting.

Thanks for the updates brother Clyde , and i will get on the task needed of me and make
whatever changes needed .........getting brother Nasheed added as Facilitator.

Again awesome job you doing brother Clyde thank you .....peace & harmony

Thanks for the updates brother Clyde , and i will get on the task needed of me and make
whatever changes needed .........getting brother Nasheed added as Facilitator.

Again awesome job you doing brother Clyde thank you .....peace & harmony




Peace In Bro. $$RICH$$, we are glad to have you back.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday July 07, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
HODEE
lilpea
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment by Brother Tariq. The minutes were read back and accepted.

General Issues: Brother Nasheed was first in the Chat Room and passed on what little he had learned from Sister Destee about the upgrade features. Nasheed then challenged the decision made by Tariq and Clyde to assist Destee with site maintenance help from FEFF, but after all facts were presented, the brother accepted the decision, as did most if not all of the Brotherhood.

With the Chat Room about to crash, a decision was made July 02, 2009 at 15:15 PM to pay out 80.00(20.00 in late charges, 40.00 for licenses and 20 Dollars for 2 months of Premium membership for Brother Nasheed) to Sister Destee in order to upgrade the Forums and the Chat Room. As promised, Brother Clyde made a gift deposit of 50.00 to FEFF. After much discussion, lilpea decided to get with Sister Destee to find out what it takes to keep the site up with maintenance, and will bring this info back to BC by next meeting.

Brother saglifesaw came to the mic and dropped a ton of praise for the site and the efforts of Brother's Chat. saglifesaw continues to offer his financial support toward the positive things happening at Destee.com, the brother moved the room in spirit. Brother WARRIOR pledged another 25.00 dollars to the FEFF's outstanding balance of 98.83, and advised us of his availability to meet with us twice in August, based on work place conditions.

Tariq asked WARRIOR to come to the mic and expound more on PalTalk. WARRIOR gave us the details about DesteeBrothersChat, which is also in last weeks minutes. Tariq moved that the eight brothers in the room tonight, plus Bro. $$RICH$$, are consided the core foundation of the Brotherhood in Brothers Chat, and no one objected:

saglifesaw
HODEE
lilpea
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Tariq. During the meeting, there were no glitches, freezes, or kick outs, and the Brothers had nothing but praise for the work of Sister Destee.

Step #10:

10. OPPORTUNITY to change how our women see us how black men are labled
to bring back manhood and do what society say we can't do as black men







Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday July 14, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
HODEE
lilpea
Nasheed
youngblackceo
ru2religious
$$RICH$$
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment by Brother Tariq. The minutes were read back and accepted, the FEFF current balance is 171.05.

General Issues: Tariq reports from queenstwana that the sisters are having a few socialization problems, but are working toward resolvement. In order to have site maintenance problems resolved quickly, Tariq calls for direct contact with Sister Destee through lilpea or Clyde. Nasheed spoke briefly on us giving our brother Keita support with his new class that started last Saturday on Healing.

Discussion: Nasheed moved that we not disclose gifts made by the Brothers Chat to the FEFF in the minutes and specifically not to show his donation, which is soon coming, we got ya brother Nasheed. The majority present accepted this notion, those absent can still speak to the notion.

Old Business: Brother lilpea made good on his decision to get with Sister Destee to find out what it takes to keep the site up with maintenance, and to bring this info back to BC this meeting. Working through queentswana, his upline boss is still compiling the information and will get back with him, however lilpea suggests that Destee will be in Thursday's meeting.

Tariq and Nasheed brought a special guest in to speak to BC concerning her recent efforts in getting our Destee.comNews online. Sister VIDALIFE, editor, shared the current difficulty some are having in down loading to read the first edition. It was suggested that Destee and Clyde try Adobe Reader or a download from zamzar.com, until a solution could be found to enable the Family access. It is understood that the final solution will be found in Soft Ware that fits our site easily. These matters will be addressed in GroupThink this Thursday morning. Brother WARRIOR, any help you can offer toward securing the right type of Soft Ware that will enable us to e-mail a newsletter, would be very helpful. The soft ware should be designed to run with the site server, V Bulletin.

Our Bro. $$RICH$$ returned to a warm welcome from the Brotherhood, and was immediately put to work by Clyde and Tariq(all in fun).

Our final piece of business was put on the table by lilpea, which introduces little young marcusj as the BC mascot. This young brother is articulate and smart, and although quite young, he is in the 10th grade(16 yrs. old), was voted in as mascot of the Brothers Only Chat, officially.

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Tariq.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday July 14, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central

In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
HODEE
lilpea
Nasheed
youngblackceo
ru2religious
$$RICH$$
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment by Brother Tariq. The minutes were read back and accepted, the FEFF current balance is 171.05.

General Issues: Tariq reports from queenstwana that the sisters are having a few socialization problems, but are working toward resolvement. In order to have site maintenance problems resolved quickly, Tariq calls for direct contact with Sister Destee through lilpea or Clyde. Nasheed spoke briefly on us giving our brother Keita support with his new class that started last Saturday on Healing.

Discussion: Nasheed moved that we not disclose gifts made by the Brothers Chat to the FEFF in the minutes and specifically not to show his donation, which is soon coming, we got ya brother Nasheed. The majority present accepted this notion, those absent can still speak to the notion.

Old Business: Brother lilpea made good on his decision to get with Sister Destee to find out what it takes to keep the site up with maintenance, and to bring this info back to BC this meeting. Working through queentswana, his upline boss is still compiling the information and will get back with him, however lilpea suggests that Destee will be in Thursday's meeting.

Tariq and Nasheed brought a special guest in to speak to BC concerning her recent efforts in getting our Destee.comNews online. Sister VIDALIFE, editor, shared the current difficulty some are having in down loading to read the first edition. It was suggested that Destee and Clyde try Adobe Reader or a download from zamzar.com, until a solution could be found to enable the Family access. It is understood that the final solution will be found in Soft Ware that fits our site easily. These matters will be addressed in GroupThink this Thursday morning. Brother WARRIOR, any help you can offer toward securing the right type of Soft Ware that will enable us to e-mail a newsletter, would be very helpful. The soft ware should be designed to run with the site server, V Bulletin.

Our Bro. $$RICH$$ returned to a warm welcome from the Brotherhood, and was immediately put to work by Clyde and Tariq(all in fun).

Our final piece of business was put on the table by lilpea, which introduces little young marcusj as the BC mascot. This young brother is articulate and smart, and although quite young, he is in the 10th grade(16 yrs. old), was voted in as mascot of the Brothers Only Chat, officially.

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Tariq.




FIRST I WANNA SAY GREETINGS AND BLESSINGS TO THE BROTHERS.....

A BLACK POWER SHAKE & A BROTHERS HUG GOES OUT TO BROTHER RICH......WELCOME BACK BROTHER....

NOW.....ON THE GENERAL ISSUES , I STAND IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF & AND I AGREE WITH EVERY ACTION IMPLEMENTED TOWARDS EACH ISSUE...

ON THE DISCUSSION , I VOTE IN FAVOR OF BROTHER NASHEED'S SUGGESTION AND I ANNOUNCE THAT I HAVE DONATED AN UNDISCLOSED PAYMENT TOWARDS THE FEFF......

ON THE OLD BUSINESS , I STAND IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF BROTHER LILPEA'S ACTIONS AND I APPLAUD THE ON-GOING RESULTS....

ABOUT THE NEWSLETTER , AND THE SOFTWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE......

I PERSONALLY CANNOT WAIT TO VIEW THE NEWSLETTER , AND I OFFER ANY SERVICES THAT I CAN PERFORM TO HELP THIS NEWSLETTER FLOURISH....

AS FOR THE SOFTWARE/AVAILABILITY/COMPATIBILITY PROBLEM.......

CONSIDERING THAT BRO. CLYDE & SIS. DESTEE COULDN'T ACCESS THE NEWSLETTER DUE TO LACK OF MICROSOFT PUBLISHING SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS THE NEWSLETTER TO BE READ IN IT'S ENTIRETY....AND SINCE I ONLY BRIEFLY VIEWED THE ZAMZAR.COM CONVERSION WEBSITE...I SUGGEST THE FOLLOWING.....

1) BRO. CLYDE OR SIS. DESTEE VISIT ZAMZAR TO SEE IF THE NEWSLETTER CAN BE CONVERTED BY TRYING IT OUT.....AND IF IT WORKS FOR EITHER OF THEM , THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE SAME PROCESS WOULDN'T WORK FOR OTHER MEMBERS THAT DO NOT HAVE THE MICROSOFT OFFICE PRO 2007 , THE VERY PROGRAM THAT MICROSOFT PUBLISHING BELONGS TO.......


2) IF THE ZAMZAR CONVERSION SITE DOES WORK FOR BRO. CLYDE OR SIS. DESTEE......AND I BELIEVE IT WILL.....I SUGGEST THAT THIS STEP BE CONNECTED & AMPLIFIED IN A PERMANENT AD TO ANY OF THOSE THAT WISH TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE NEWSLETTER.......



A NOTE OF CAUTION : IF IT TURNS OUT THAT ANY MEMBER WISHES TO RECIEVE MICROSOFT OFFICE PRO 2007 , I STRONGLY URGE A LIMITATION FOR THE SAFETY & LONGEVITY OF THOSE MEMBERS COMPUTERS......

THAT LIMITATION IS HARD DRIVE SPACE......

MICROSOFT OFFICE IS A VERY LARGE PROGRAM THAT HAS OVER 2GB'S OF FILES AND OTHER PROGRAMS WITHIN IT.....AND IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OPERATING A COMPUTER WITH LESS THAN 60GB'S OF HARD DRIVE CAPACITY , WITH ALSO LESS THAN 50% OF FREE SPACE , THEN I URGE ANY OF THOSE MEMBERS TO EITHER DUMP THEIR UNUSED PROGRAMS THAT ARE TAKING UP SPACE TO MAKE RESPECTABLE BREATHING ROOM FOR MICROSOFT OFFICE , OR .........OBTAIN A LARGER EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE FOR THEIR COMPUTERS....

CLOGGING UP A HARD DRIVE IS AS EASY AS CLOGGING UP A KITCHEN SINK......I CAN'T STRESS THIS CAUTION ENOUGH.....BECAUSE A HARD DRIVE ONLY OPERATES AT FULL POTENTIAL WHEN THERE IS OVER 80% FREE SPACE...

IF A MEMBER WANTS TO CHECK THEIR HARD DRIVE FOR THE AMOUNT OF HARD DRIVE CAPACITY & FREE SPACE THEY ARE OPERATING WITH.....THEN JUST DO AS FOLLOWS :

1) CLICK ON START
2) GO TO WHERE IT SAYS COMPUTER , CLICK ON IT
3) PUT YOUR CURSOR ON THE LOCAL DISK (C) , CLICK IT ONCE
4) KEEP YOUR CURSOR ON THE LOCAL DISK (C)
5) A POP-UP WILL APPEAR REVEALING HARD DRIVE CAPACITY & FREE SPACE


I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT BRO. TARIQ WILL AGREE WITH THIS ASSESSMENT AND ENFORCE IT WITH NOTICE......


I LOOK FOWARD TO MEETING & PROMOTING OUR NEW MASCOT , MARCUSJ...

DEPARTURE FAREWELLS TO THE BROTHERS ALONG WITH AN AMEN FOR THE PRAYER......


WARRIOR

Clyde brother Nasheed was added and done , if you need me to do anything here
just let me know i'm at the handz of brotherhood

Thank you brother WORRIOR peace & brotherhood

Clyde brother Nasheed was added and done , if you need me to do anything here
just let me know i'm at the handz of brotherhood

Thank you brother WORRIOR peace & brotherhood




Yes $$RICH$$ there is, in that same area the time remains to be showing 8:30 PM Eastern, which should be changed to 8:00 PM Eastern...Peace In.

Timely bump for tonight's meeting.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday July 21, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
lilpea
Nasheed
ru2religious
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment given by Bro. Tariq at 7:25 PM for the 3 members present. The minutes were read back by Bro. Nasheed and accepted. Brother WARRIOR's input to the minutes was acknowledged to need no other attention. The FEFF current balance is 190.17, which includes a recent gift donation by Linda Chavis, representing Sisters Only Chat(SOC) on Thursday night in the Rebuilding/Reuniting our Community meeting.


General Issues: Based upon the need for privacy and considering the recent invasion of the pink people, Bro. Nasheed through queentswana restricted the viewing of the Recap Thread to the core element of the Brotherhood. As necessary, others attending BOC can be added upon request and approval.

A would be invasion of white racists from the Fantasy Football Today(FFT) web site was widely discussed. Specifically, members of the Geek Club are responsible for launching the attack. Had it not been for Poignant One, these racists would have succeeded in distrubing our peace. This group actually went out of their way to carefully register here, which reflects a planned mission.

After much discussion, the Brotherhood seemed to agree that all should become vigilant about these kinds of matters, we should assist our under staffed Moderating Team, and we should collectively face this enemy as opposed to in-fighting with ourselves. We of the Brotherhood realize that knowledge is being dropped heavily by our Brothers and Sisters here, which makes us quite vulnerable.

Bro. Tariq spoke briefly on the importance of separating the 3 major functions, Brothers Chat, GroupThink and Rebuilding/Reuniting our Community; so as to keep down recent confusion relating to the respective facilitators of each. Tariq also brought out the major accomplishments of last Thursday's meeting, to include a clearer understanding of the FEFF and its scope, reach and purpose.

Locking down the BOC was raised by Nasheed and hit the floor for discussion and decision. After much discussion, Bro. lilpea made the point that Sister Destee probably would not lock down any resources on account of her openness demonstrated through the years. Beginning with Bro. Nasheed, all in attendance accepted the position of Bro. lilpea and dropped the matter from further discussion and decision.

Brother ru2religious received a warm welcome and informed the Brotherhood of his recent residental move from Cali to Los Vegas, as well as Bro. Nasheed. Nasheed, after many months, has relocated his family to a more decent area in St. Louis. Bro. ru2religious ask for directions to the BOC Fourm and threads, and said links were placed on his profile page.


We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Bro. Tariq.




Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday July 28, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
Nasheed
HODEE
WARRIOR-(provided direct thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment given by Bro. Tariq. The minutes were read back by Bro. Nasheed and accepted. Brother WARRIOR's input to the minutes was acknowledged to need no other attention. The FEFF current balance was stated, which includes a recent gift donation by an undisclosed giver.

General Issues: Bro. Tariq spoke on accepting Sister Destee's position of keeping visible the recap and accessibility to Brothers Chat open to the site and visitors. We agree that the efforts of Brothers Chat and its minute taking becomes a way of spreading information to interested members.

We also agreed that when Brother WARRIOR provides input to the Brothers Chat thread, this places him in the meeting and participating, and credits him as in attendance, the same applies to others doing the same.

Brother Nasheed ask a very significant question pertaining to the distribution of Destee.comNews. It was explained that once the conversion factor from the editor to Destee was solved, the newsletter would be e-mailed to the Community. It has not yet been detemined how long members would receive a free newsletter. Similar to the new member to member chat resource, the newsletter could eventually become a tool to encourage registered members to become Premium. Keeping in mind, the idea that ultimately, the newsletter will be printed, subcribed and distributed as a newspaper and or magazine, depending upon Sister Destee.

Bro. Tariq's suggestion that the next edition of Destee.comNews should consider the full explanation of what regisered and premium members receive, in detail, will be forwarded for action. The basis is that so many of us aren't really aware of the many props and quirks availible at Destee.com.

The bulk of our meeting consisted of exchanges between us on teaching, the ancestors and our people's need to find truth, regardless of the resource. It was a very informative discussion that had impact on our mind-set, and the way we process knowledge. Bro. HODEE made the meeting in time for the ancestors prayer and received a warm welcome back from the brotherhood.

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Bro. Tariq.

GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......

ON THE GENERAL ISSUES......I AGGREE WITH BROTHER NASHEED'S RESTRICTION SUGGESTION REGARDING THE......PEOPLE.....AT FANTASY FOOTBALL.....

I ALSO AGREE ON THE BROTHERS TAKING ON A VIGILANT APPROACH TOWARDS THESE........PEOPLE......AT FANTASY FOOTBALL....IGNORANCE BY CHOICE HAS ALWAYS IRRITATED ME...

I AGREE IN WHOLE ON BRO. TARIQ'S ASSESSMENT OF SEPERATING THE THREE MAJOR FUNCTIONS.....

AS FOR LOCKDOWN......ILL STAND SILENT....

I WELCOME BRO. RU2RELIGIOUS WITH A BROTHER'S HUG......I ALSO SEND OUT A RIGHT ON! TO BOTH BROS. RU2RELIGIOUS & NASHEED FOR THEIR SAFE & SUCCESSFUL MOVES......

MY RESULTS FOR THE NEWSLETTER AS TO WHICH ON-LINE .PUB CONVERTER WILL BE REPORTED VERY SOON.....

WITH AN AMEN TO THE CLOSING PRAYER......BLESSINGS & UNITY.....


WARRIOR

Always do make a clear distinction between those who merely talk about a need for today's black people to unite as opposed to those who truly want to actually do something to bring it about again!

As regards the means of communication accepted by some to network about such issues and problems?

Your choice and your right...

Though I'm motivated by the judgement call of one of my mentors to say and write let us achieve our goals by alll means necessary!

Otherwise:

Good luck!

Best wishes...

Take care...

Peace...

Always do make a clear distinction between those who merely talk about a need for today's black people to unite as opposed to those who truly want to actually do something to bring it about again!

As regards the means of communication accepted by some to network about such issues and problems?

Your choice and your right...

Though I'm motivated by the judgement call of one of my mentors to say and write let us achieve our goals by alll means necessary!

Otherwise:

Good luck!

Best wishes...

Take care...

Peace...




Thanks Brother Chuck, for real.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday July 28, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
Nasheed
HODEE
WARRIOR-(provided direct thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment given by Bro. Tariq. The minutes were read back by Bro. Nasheed and accepted. Brother WARRIOR's input to the minutes was acknowledged to need no other attention. The FEFF current balance was stated, which includes a recent gift donation by an undisclosed giver.

General Issues: Bro. Tariq spoke on accepting Sister Destee's position of keeping visible the recap and accessibility to Brothers Chat open to the site and visitors. We agree that the efforts of Brothers Chat and its minute taking becomes a way of spreading information to interested members.

We also agreed that when Brother WARRIOR provides input to the Brothers Chat thread, this places him in the meeting and participating, and credits him as in attendance, the same applies to others doing the same.

Brother Nasheed ask a very significant question pertaining to the distribution of Destee.comNews. It was explained that once the conversion factor from the editor to Destee was solved, the newsletter would be e-mailed to the Community. It has not yet been detemined how long members would receive a free newsletter. Similar to the new member to member chat resource, the newsletter could eventually become a tool to encourage registered members to become Premium. Keeping in mind, the idea that ultimately, the newsletter will be printed, subcribed and distributed as a newspaper and or magazine, depending upon Sister Destee.

Bro. Tariq's suggestion that the next edition of Destee.comNews should consider the full explanation of what regisered and premium members receive, in detail, will be forwarded for action. The basis is that so many of us aren't really aware of the many props and quirks availible at Destee.com.

The bulk of our meeting consisted of exchanges between us on teaching, the ancestors and our people's need to find truth, regardless of the resource. It was a very informative discussion that had impact on our mind-set, and the way we process knowledge. Bro. HODEE made the meeting in time for the ancestors prayer and received a warm welcome back from the brotherhood.

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Bro. Tariq.






By mistake, the recap of our last meeting above was posted twice. For Bro. WARRIOR and others of the brotherhood, please provide your input to the minutes by quoting this post...thanks Clyde,

By mistake, the recap of our last meeting above was posted twice. For Bro. WARRIOR and others of the brotherhood, please provide your input to the minutes by quoting this post...thanks Clyde,





GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS.....

THANK YOU TO ALL THE BROTHERS FOR ACKNOWLEDGING ME FOR BROTHERS CHAT....CONSIDERING MY SITUATION , I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE INPUT....

AS FOR THE NEWSLETTER......I PROVIDED THE CORRECT SOFTWARE TO SIS. DESTEE THAT ALLOWS THE NEWSLETTER TO BE CONVERTED TO PDF FORMAT.....THIS WAS ACCEPTED BY SISTERS DESTEE , VIDALIFE , QUEENTSWANA.......AND BROS. TARIQ , CLYDE , & BROWN HORNET....

I WILL AWAIT ALONG WITH THE BROTHERS FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS CONCERNING DISTRIBUTION....

I STAND IN FULL SUPPORT OF BRO. TARIQ'S SUGGESTION.....

AS FOR TEACHING......IM WILLING TO BE A STUDENT , FOR I AM NOW LEARNING MUCH FROM BROS. TARIQ , CLYDE & KWABENA.......

I WILL MAKE CLASSES WHENEVER I CAN.....


AN AMEN FOR THE PRAYER.......


WARRIOR

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday July 28, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

saglifesaw
Nasheed
HODEE
WARRIOR-(provided direct thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment given by Bro. Tariq. The minutes were read back by Bro. Nasheed and accepted. Brother WARRIOR's input to the minutes was acknowledged to need no other attention. The FEFF current balance was stated, which includes a recent gift donation by an undisclosed giver.

General Issues: Bro. Tariq spoke on accepting Sister Destee's position of keeping visible the recap and accessibility to Brothers Chat open to the site and visitors. We agree that the efforts of Brothers Chat and its minute taking becomes a way of spreading information to interested members.

We also agreed that when Brother WARRIOR provides input to the Brothers Chat thread, this places him in the meeting and participating, and credits him as in attendance, the same applies to others doing the same.

Brother Nasheed ask a very significant question pertaining to the distribution of Destee.comNews. It was explained that once the conversion factor from the editor to Destee was solved, the newsletter would be e-mailed to the Community. It has not yet been detemined how long members would receive a free newsletter. Similar to the new member to member chat resource, the newsletter could eventually become a tool to encourage registered members to become Premium. Keeping in mind, the idea that ultimately, the newsletter will be printed, subcribed and distributed as a newspaper and or magazine, depending upon Sister Destee.

Bro. Tariq's suggestion that the next edition of Destee.comNews should consider the full explanation of what regisered and premium members receive, in detail, will be forwarded for action. The basis is that so many of us aren't really aware of the many props and quirks availible at Destee.com.

The bulk of our meeting consisted of exchanges between us on teaching, the ancestors and our people's need to find truth, regardless of the resource. It was a very informative discussion that had impact on our mind-set, and the way we process knowledge. Bro. HODEE made the meeting in time for the ancestors prayer and received a warm welcome back from the brotherhood.

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Bro. Tariq.






Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 04, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

samuel_pink(came and left)
mohammed
ru2religious
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment given by Bro. Tariq around 7:30 PM. The minutes were read back and accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood.

General Issues: Bro. Tariq asked for update info concerning Destee.comNews. Brothers Clyde and WARRIOR came to the mic and shared that we are now closer than ever to getting the newsletter out to the family. The final solution will be finding the right software for conversion. Sister VIDALIFE also made a special appearance and spoke on the help bro. brown_hOrnet had provided in walking her through various saving methods. It is now up to sister Destee to come up with the proper software, since the newsletter file has been converted to PDF, thanks to Bro. WARRIOR. And Bro. WARRIOR may have done just that with his find of the FOXIT software, and will contact Destee as soon as possible. Most of the meeting centered around finding a solution to the newsletter problem.

Business Matters: Brother HODEE place a proposal on the table, which involves Sister Linda Chavis. Linda can do grant writing, and is willing to help secure government monies. HODEE offers the following sites as projects, fastweb.com and seliger.com. In conjunction with creating officers, by-laws, etc...we could acquire a 501 C designation and set up schools in our neighborhoods, a minmum of 30 computers would be a good starting point.

Bro. Tariq decided to table this matter, pending the core element of the brotherhood taking a closer look into such a project. Brothers are being asked to submit their input by posting to the re-cap thread, if necessary.

Bro. mohammed announced that tonigint would be his last night here at Destee.com, mohammed stated his reason for leaving was for spiritual growth. All the brothers wished him well in departing.

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Bro. Tariq.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 04, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

samuel_pink(came and left)
mohammed
ru2religious
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment given by Bro. Tariq around 7:30 PM. The minutes were read back and accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood.

General Issues: Bro. Tariq asked for update info concerning Destee.comNews. Brothers Clyde and WARRIOR came to the mic and shared that we are now closer than ever to getting the newsletter out to the family. The final solution will be finding the right software for conversion. Sister VIDALIFE also made a special appearance and spoke on the help bro. brown_hOrnet had provided in walking her through various saving methods. It is now up to sister Destee to come up with the proper software, since the newsletter file has been converted to PDF, thanks to Bro. WARRIOR. And Bro. WARRIOR may have done just that with his find of the FOXIT software, and will contact Destee as soon as possible. Most of the meeting centered around finding a solution to the newsletter problem.

Business Matters: Brother HODEE place a proposal on the table, which involves Sister Linda Chavis. Linda can do grant writing, and is willing to help secure government monies. HODEE offers the following sites as projects, fastweb.com and seliger.com. In conjunction with creating officers, by-laws, etc...we could acquire a 501 C designation and set up schools in our neighborhoods, a minmum of 30 computers would be a good starting point.

Bro. Tariq decided to table this matter, pending the core element of the brotherhood taking a closer look into such a project. Brothers are being asked to submit their input by posting to the re-cap thread, if necessary.

Bro. mohammed announced that tonigint would be his last night here at Destee.com, mohammed stated his reason for leaving was for spiritual growth. All the brothers wished him well in departing.

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Bro. Tariq.







Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 11, 2009 from 7-10PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

info-moetry
Keita Kenyatta
Nasheed
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time but with some technical Chat Room difficulties. Bro. WARRIOR stepped up having the Prayer of Empowerment on hand and gave it around 7:15 PM. The minutes were read back and accepted by Bro. Nasheed. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq.

Although our meeting began with some technical problems, at about 7:30, I re-entered under a Red light, which required me to power down completely, and Bro. Nasheed reported that he also witnessed recent trouble with the Chat room, it was a very good and lively meeting that lasted for 3 hours.

Upon my return from powering down, Bro. Keita was on the mic with questions concerning thread issues in the Forums. Bro. Tariq updated me on what I missed and answered my question pertaining to Keita discussing thread issues in Brothers Chat; by explaining that we would entertain Keita's problem with various posts for sake of peace, unity and a demonstration of how issues between members could and should be settled.

It was decided to table Bro. HODEE's proposal until our next meeting. We also agreed to advance to Sister Destee all the current problems with the Chat room in Thursday night's meeting.

Bro. Tariq set the ground rules for a gentlemen's dialogue between Keita and myself and Bro. Keita resumed the mic. Keita spoke to me not immediately telling Sister Chevron Dove of her factual errors in the Bithia; the Jewel in the Nile... thread. My response to Bro. Keita focused on my post to her clearly indicating that I would get back with Chevron concerning the Hittites and Asians. My response also reflected a contrast in our delivery styles, I explained that my style is to teach over time, rather than dropping tons of knowledge all at once. After our talk, Bro. Keita understood by acknowledgement.

Then Bro. Keita mentioned he expected to see me in his class on Saturday. I explaind to Keita that my stance as posted remains unchanged. However, our vast differences would work well in a Symposium kind of atmosphere, where our agreements cound be stipulated and our opposing view points aired in fact-finding. I explained that the two of us could set up pre-arranged topics of profound biblical importance, and hold professional, intellectual discourse. As of yet, Bro. Keita has not agreed to these terms, but perhaps, this idea may still happen. Bro. WARRIOR also offered any resources Keita may need to begin YouTube presentations, which Keita acknowledged. Bro. Tariq made the suggestion that I teach a Bible class, and assured me he would attend and support my efforts.

It was this gesture by Tariq that caused me to talk about the recent Domain and dot com address Sister Destee has, which is ran by Moodle software. Details can be found in the thread titled Our Own Black School by sister river. We had good and positive discussion on creating our own black accredited school agenda. Sister river brought this issue to the former Brothers Chat, and it now continues as a current Brothers Chat project.


We paused the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer being given with a very heartfelt read by Bro. WARRIOR, all attending acknowledged WARRIOR's outstanding delivery. Afterwards, we resumed with Bro. Keita on the mic and concluded around 10:00 with Bro. Tariq closing out the meeting.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 04, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

samuel_pink(came and left)
mohammed
ru2religious
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


The meeting open on time with the Prayer of Empowerment given by Bro. Tariq around 7:30 PM. The minutes were read back and accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood.

General Issues: Bro. Tariq asked for update info concerning Destee.comNews. Brothers Clyde and WARRIOR came to the mic and shared that we are now closer than ever to getting the newsletter out to the family. The final solution will be finding the right software for conversion. Sister VIDALIFE also made a special appearance and spoke on the help bro. brown_hOrnet had provided in walking her through various saving methods. It is now up to sister Destee to come up with the proper software, since the newsletter file has been converted to PDF, thanks to Bro. WARRIOR. And Bro. WARRIOR may have done just that with his find of the FOXIT software, and will contact Destee as soon as possible. Most of the meeting centered around finding a solution to the newsletter problem.

Business Matters: Brother HODEE place a proposal on the table, which involves Sister Linda Chavis. Linda can do grant writing, and is willing to help secure government monies. HODEE offers the following sites as projects, fastweb.com and seliger.com. In conjunction with creating officers, by-laws, etc...we could acquire a 501 C designation and set up schools in our neighborhoods, a minmum of 30 computers would be a good starting point.

Bro. Tariq decided to table this matter, pending the core element of the brotherhood taking a closer look into such a project. Brothers are being asked to submit their input by posting to the re-cap thread, if necessary.

Bro. mohammed announced that tonigint would be his last night here at Destee.com, mohammed stated his reason for leaving was for spiritual growth. All the brothers wished him well in departing.

We concluded the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer given by Bro. Tariq.




Brother HODEE place a proposal on the table, which involves Sister Linda Chavis. Linda can do grant writing, and is willing to help secure government monies. HODEE offers the following sites as projects, fastweb.com and seliger.com. In conjunction with creating officers, by-laws, etc...we could acquire a 501 C designation and set up schools in our neighborhoods, a minmum of 30 computers would be a good starting point.


This is not the same as opening our own Black Schools! That is another project.

Being that we are becoming more project oriented.
I table at the next meeting we consider writing a mission statement, and discuss again.
Will the FEFF be more project based.

If the funds we save are not put to work. Then they are just subject to depletion.
The sooner we consider these type of issues the better.

==========

During the meeting I recall some concern that we didn't have time to take on to much.

We personally do not have time to do our regular jobs and be officers and members of these projects and centers. That is not a consideration.

Others more qualified that have held these positions as councelors and teachers, etc... before would be employed and be provided salaries. Workers would be hired to maintain the after school training and provide the tutoring the children need.

I suggested we consider opening after school centers and programs.
To help the parents. Some have to pay for additional babysitting, or have to rush thru traffic before six o'clock to pick up their kids.

The centers could offer the students safe places to do home work.
The centers could also provide tutoring. If this proposal is considered.

For Sister Linda...Proposal writing cost and time could be included in the grant proposal and funding request.

These grants are not limited to these programs. They cover drug rehab programs, job training,and a host of other great programs.

Any one interested should supply this information to their church. They already hold a tax free status.

fastweb.com is an essay / scholarship web site that offers student from fourth grade to college an opportunity to answer questions about books they have read and comment on questions asked. A summary of the readers understanding is submitted. The possibility of receiving a check of several hundred dollars in the mail is possible. Answer essay questions and possibly receive scholarship money for doing so.

This is not the same as opening our own Black Schools! That is another project.

Being that we are becoming more project oriented.
I table at the next meeting we consider writing a mission statement, and discuss again.
Will the FEFF be more project based.

If the funds we save are not put to work. Then they are just subject to depletion.
The sooner we consider these type of issues the better.

==========

During the meeting I recall some concern that we didn't have time to take on to much.

We personally do not have time to do our regular jobs and be officers and members of these projects and centers. That is not a consideration.

Others more qualified that have held these positions as councelors and teachers, etc... before would be employed and be provided salaries. Workers would be hired to maintain the after school training and provide the tutoring the children need.

I suggested we consider opening after school centers and programs.
To help the parents. Some have to pay for additional babysitting, or have to rush thru traffic before six o'clock to pick up their kids.

The centers could offer the students safe places to do home work.
The centers could also provide tutoring. If this proposal is considered.

For Sister Linda...Proposal writing cost and time could be included in the grant proposal and funding request.

These grants are not limited to these programs. They cover drug rehab programs, job training,and a host of other great programs.

Any one interested should supply this information to their church. They already hold a tax free status.

fastweb.com is an essay / scholarship web site that offers student from fourth grade to college an opportunity to answer questions about books they have read and comment on questions asked. A summary of the readers understanding is submitted. The possibility of receiving a check of several hundred dollars in the mail is possible. Answer essay questions and possibly receive scholarship money for doing so.




HODEE,

All of your concerns will be address in our next regular scheduled meeting, whether or not you attend, of course your presence would better serve your proposals...Peace In my brother friend, and thanks for this thread input, for real.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 11, 2009 from 7-10PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

info-moetry
Keita Kenyatta
Nasheed
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time but with some technical Chat Room difficulties. Bro. WARRIOR stepped up having the Prayer of Empowerment on hand and gave it around 7:15 PM. The minutes were read back and accepted by Bro. Nasheed. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq.

Although our meeting began with some technical problems, at about 7:30, I re-entered under a Red light, which required me to power down completely, and Bro. Nasheed reported that he also witnessed recent trouble with the Chat room, it was a very good and lively meeting that lasted for 3 hours.

Upon my return from powering down, Bro. Keita was on the mic with questions concerning thread issues in the Forums. Bro. Tariq updated me on what I missed and answered my question pertaining to Keita discussing thread issues in Brothers Chat; by explaining that we would entertain Keita's problem with various posts for sake of peace, unity and a demonstration of how issues between members could and should be settled.

It was decided to table Bro. HODEE's proposal until our next meeting. We also agreed to advance to Sister Destee all the current problems with the Chat room in Thursday night's meeting.

Bro. Tariq set the ground rules for a gentlemen's dialogue between Keita and myself and Bro. Keita resumed the mic. Keita spoke to me not immediately telling Sister Chevron Dove of her factual errors in the Bithia; the Jewel in the Nile... thread. My response to Bro. Keita focused on my post to her clearly indicating that I would get back with Chevron concerning the Hittites and Asians. My response also reflected a contrast in our delivery styles, I explained that my style is to teach over time, rather than dropping tons of knowledge all at once. After our talk, Bro. Keita understood by acknowledgement.

Then Bro. Keita mentioned he expected to see me in his class on Saturday. I explaind to Keita that my stance as posted remains unchanged. However, our vast differences would work well in a Symposium kind of atmosphere, where our agreements cound be stipulated and our opposing view points aired in fact-finding. I explained that the two of us could set up pre-arranged topics of profound biblical importance, and hold professional, intellectual discourse. As of yet, Bro. Keita has not agreed to these terms, but perhaps, this idea may still happen. Bro. WARRIOR also offered any resources Keita may need to begin YouTube presentations, which Keita acknowledged. Bro. Tariq made the suggestion that I teach a Bible class, and assured me he would attend and support my efforts.

It was this gesture by Tariq that caused me to talk about the recent Domain and dot com address Sister Destee has, which is ran by Moodle software. Details can be found in the thread titled Our Own Black School by sister river. We had good and positive discussion on creating our own black accredited school agenda. Sister river brought this issue to the former Brothers Chat, and it now continues as a current Brothers Chat project.


We paused the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer being given with a very heartfelt read by Bro. WARRIOR, all attending acknowledged WARRIOR's outstanding delivery. Afterwards, we resumed with Bro. Keita on the mic and concluded around 10:00 with Bro. Tariq closing out the meeting.






AFTER GIVING SOME THOUGHT TO BRO. HODEE'S PROPOSAL....

AND AFTER THINKING A WHILE ON BRO. TARIQ'S REQUEST......

I WANT TO SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT PUTTING UP A CREDIT UNION.....WHILE TRAVELING THIS LEARNING ROAD OF GREATNESS....

OF COURSE.....IM LOOKING AT BRO. HODEE'S IDEA PRODUCING RIPE FRIUT IN ORDER TO GIVE BIRTH TO A CREDIT UNION.....

I'M FULLY AWARE THAT WE MUST CRAWL BEFORE WALKING , BUT I SEE MILESTONE'S IN OUR GRASP , AND I WANTED THIS KNOWN BEFORE NEXT WEEK....


WARRIOR

AFTER GIVING SOME THOUGHT TO BRO. HODEE'S PROPOSAL....

AND AFTER THINKING A WHILE ON BRO. TARIQ'S REQUEST......

I WANT TO SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT PUTTING UP A CREDIT UNION.....WHILE TRAVELING THIS LEARNING ROAD OF GREATNESS....

OF COURSE.....IM LOOKING AT BRO. HODEE'S IDEA PRODUCING RIPE FRIUT IN ORDER TO GIVE BIRTH TO A CREDIT UNION.....

I'M FULLY AWARE THAT WE MUST CRAWL BEFORE WALKING , BUT I SEE MILESTONE'S IN OUR GRASP , AND I WANTED THIS KNOWN BEFORE NEXT WEEK....


WARRIOR




And likewise Bro. WARRIOR, your concerns will be addressed as well, with the understanding that you return to work and will not be with us physically.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 11, 2009 from 7-10PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

info-moetry
Keita Kenyatta
Nasheed
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time but with some technical Chat Room difficulties. Bro. WARRIOR stepped up having the Prayer of Empowerment on hand and gave it around 7:15 PM. The minutes were read back and accepted by Bro. Nasheed. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq.

Although our meeting began with some technical problems, at about 7:30, I re-entered under a Red light, which required me to power down completely, and Bro. Nasheed reported that he also witnessed recent trouble with the Chat room, it was a very good and lively meeting that lasted for 3 hours.

Upon my return from powering down, Bro. Keita was on the mic with questions concerning thread issues in the Forums. Bro. Tariq updated me on what I missed and answered my question pertaining to Keita discussing thread issues in Brothers Chat; by explaining that we would entertain Keita's problem with various posts for sake of peace, unity and a demonstration of how issues between members could and should be settled.

It was decided to table Bro. HODEE's proposal until our next meeting. We also agreed to advance to Sister Destee all the current problems with the Chat room in Thursday night's meeting.

Bro. Tariq set the ground rules for a gentlemen's dialogue between Keita and myself and Bro. Keita resumed the mic. Keita spoke to me not immediately telling Sister Chevron Dove of her factual errors in the Bithia; the Jewel in the Nile... thread. My response to Bro. Keita focused on my post to her clearly indicating that I would get back with Chevron concerning the Hittites and Asians. My response also reflected a contrast in our delivery styles, I explained that my style is to teach over time, rather than dropping tons of knowledge all at once. After our talk, Bro. Keita understood by acknowledgement.

Then Bro. Keita mentioned he expected to see me in his class on Saturday. I explaind to Keita that my stance as posted remains unchanged. However, our vast differences would work well in a Symposium kind of atmosphere, where our agreements cound be stipulated and our opposing view points aired in fact-finding. I explained that the two of us could set up pre-arranged topics of profound biblical importance, and hold professional, intellectual discourse. As of yet, Bro. Keita has not agreed to these terms, but perhaps, this idea may still happen. Bro. WARRIOR also offered any resources Keita may need to begin YouTube presentations, which Keita acknowledged. Bro. Tariq made the suggestion that I teach a Bible class, and assured me he would attend and support my efforts.

It was this gesture by Tariq that caused me to talk about the recent Domain and dot com address Sister Destee has, which is ran by Moodle software. Details can be found in the thread titled Our Own Black School by sister river. We had good and positive discussion on creating our own black accredited school agenda. Sister river brought this issue to the former Brothers Chat, and it now continues as a current Brothers Chat project.

We paused the meeting on time with our customary Ancestor Prayer being given with a very heartfelt read by Bro. WARRIOR, all attending acknowledged WARRIOR's outstanding delivery. Afterwards, we resumed with Bro. Keita on the mic and concluded around 10:00 with Bro. Tariq closing out the meeting.









Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 18, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

lilpea
Nasheed
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR(provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Nasheed gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:15 PM, in lieu of continuing Chat room difficulties. Some had sound problems and my mic failed to work, in spite of efforts by bro. lilpea's explanation of the sound card. The minutes were read by Bro. Nasheed and accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq, to include projected gifts by bro. saglifesaw, Tariq and Sister VIDALIFE.


Bro. Tariq gave a quarterlly report on gifts made to the FEFF, and brought us up to date on the first wave of T-Shirts being available as early as this Friday, provided sizes and decals are collected. Tariq also spoke on our status as gods but broke, and continues to encourage us to take on the mind-set of our ancestor, Booker T. Washington. In addition, all brothers are challenged to cut and paste the prayer of empowerment and ancestors invocation for ready reference.

Business: Brother HODEE came to the mic and spoke on the tabled proposal, extensively. The theme is to empower our communities by helping the kids, and not necessarily starting a school but to have an impact on the black society with after school programs. Although HODEE admits he has no ideas on how to build the FEFF, his thoughts were to work 401k's, for us to take a good look at the dot com site thats on the table(fastweb.com), solicit our churches for adoption by 501C's, etc...

The brotherhood adopts HODEE's proposal and Bro. WARRIOR's concept of starting a Credit Union as future goals, and agrees to invite Sis Linda Chavis to our next meeting and starting this Thursday, will determine the appropriate fee Chavis will be paid to write the Grant proposal for government funds.

For a detail review of HODEE's plan, all are encouraged to read his posted input to the BC recap thread in the Brothers Chat forum.

Unfinished business: Toward the end of the meeting, HODEE asked whether we should consider setting a minimum gift donation to the FEFF. This questioned is tabled to our next meeting.

The meeting ended on time with our customary Ancestor Invocation by Bro. Nasheed, and some good jazz put us into meditation.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 18, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

lilpea
Nasheed
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR(provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Nasheed gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:15 PM, in lieu of continuing Chat room difficulties. Some had sound problems and my mic failed to work, in spite of efforts by bro. lilpea's explanation of the sound card. The minutes were read by Bro. Nasheed and accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq, to include projected gifts by bro. saglifesaw, Tariq and Sister VIDALIFE.


Bro. Tariq gave a quarterlly report on gifts made to the FEFF, and brought us up to date on the first wave of T-Shirts being available as early as this Friday, provided sizes and decals are collected. Tariq also spoke on our status as gods but broke, and continues to encourage us to take on the mind-set of our ancestor, Booker T. Washington. In addition, all brothers are challenged to cut and paste the prayer of empowerment and ancestors invocation for ready reference.

Business: Brother HODEE came to the mic and spoke on the tabled proposal, extensively. The theme is to empower our communities by helping the kids, and not necessarily starting a school but to have an impact on the black society with after school programs. Although HODEE admits he has no ideas on how to build the FEFF, his thoughts were to work 401k's, for us to take a good look at the dot com site thats on the table(fastweb.com), solicit our churches for adoption by 501C's, etc...

The brotherhood adopts HODEE's proposal and Bro. WARRIOR's concept of starting a Credit Union as future goals, and agrees to invite Sis Linda Chavis to our next meeting and starting this Thursday, will determine the appropriate fee Chavis will be paid to write the Grant proposal for government funds.

For a detail review of HODEE's plan, all are encouraged to read his posted input to the BC recap thread in the Brothers Chat forum.

Unfinished business: Toward the end of the meeting, HODEE asked whether we should consider setting a minimum gift donation to the FEFF. This questioned is tabled to our next meeting.

The meeting ended on time with our customary Ancestor Invocation by Bro. Nasheed, and some good jazz put us into meditation.







GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......

ON THE GENERAL ISSUES....I STAND IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED....AND TO ADD.....THE CUTTING AND PASTING OF THE PRAYER OF EMPOWERMENT ALONG WITH THE ANCESTORS INVOCATION ON MY PART HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE....

ON BUSINESS.....I STAND IN AGREEMENT OF THE 401K PLAN FOR THE FEFF...

AS FOR A MINIMUM DONATION INTO THE FEFF......I'M A BIT CONFUSED....I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A MINMUM ONE TIME GIFT.......OR A MINIMUM AMOUNT FOR ALL DONATIONS....EITHER WAY......IM IN FAVOR OF A MINIMUM AMOUNT.....


RESPECT & BLESSINGS....


WARRIOR

GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......

ON THE GENERAL ISSUES....I STAND IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED....AND TO ADD.....THE CUTTING AND PASTING OF THE PRAYER OF EMPOWERMENT ALONG WITH THE ANCESTORS INVOCATION ON MY PART HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE....

ON BUSINESS.....I STAND IN AGREEMENT OF THE 401K PLAN FOR THE FEFF...

AS FOR A MINIMUM DONATION INTO THE FEFF......I'M A BIT CONFUSED....I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A MINMUM ONE TIME GIFT.......OR A MINIMUM AMOUNT FOR ALL DONATIONS....EITHER WAY......IM IN FAVOR OF A MINIMUM AMOUNT.....


RESPECT & BLESSINGS....


WARRIOR

GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......and to you BROTHER WARRIOR

Let me clarify on the 401K plan mention I made in chat.

I also would like to comment just a bit on my mention of a minimum amount possibly being donated each week into the FEFF program.


I did look into if we could possibly put our funds into a 401K program. I did call a 401K program administrator. A 401K program is only available under a company administered program. Other programs are available but do not offer the yields and flexibility that a 401K program would.

In summary a 401K program is not an option.

I apologize. If that wasn't made clear last week. I am sure I mentioned that during the meeting.

in lieu of continuing Chat room difficulties. Some had sound problems

I am making these clarifications.

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In general just to share. Under a 401K program, funds can be shifted daily into programs and would grow faster.

I have had good luck growing a few hundred into a few grand using
the 401K's I have had in the past.

Look at the stock portfolio's ten year growth cycle on the investments. Gamble with some international funds. Invest into tech funds and other solid funds you find in your portfolio. International funds pay high percentages. Keep moving the percentage of funds into various stocks on a quarterly within a 401K plan it will yield fast growth. But watch them every day, and be prepared to shift from weak funds into others.

Also with some 401K plans loans of 50% can be taken from the growth of your portfolio. You have to take it as a loan and pay it back, but paying your self back is a good thing.

The other half gas to remain in the program until you quit or leave your employer and is subject to taxation.

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Since this will be discussed in more detail during our next meeting.

I mentioned considering a weekly minimum amount. So that the fund will grow to our goal amount in a reasonable amount of time.

I will give more detail during next weeks meeting. The idea came from comments that were made last week and the efforts made by all to the funds growth.

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Brother Clyde

Please link this for me.
I am having trouble finding what your referencing.

Thank You.

For a detail review of HODEE's plan, all are encouraged to read his posted input to the BC recap thread in the Brothers Chat forum.

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This is correct.

and agrees to invite Sis Linda Chavis to our next meeting


We voted not to bring this up on Thurday.

Table this until Next Tuesday during our meeting. Thank You.

Give me time to confirm a conversation I had with Sister Linda.

I will contact her today. On the phone.

During the meeting.

I mentioned if Sister Chavis were to write a proposal. It would be for what ever fee she deems commensurate for her time.

I also said it may be possible to incorporate any fee for expended effort into the actual proposal as an operating expense. This first has to be agreed upon.

Proposal cost is based on complexity.

This will be discussed more with her in great detail next Tuesday.

and starting this Thursday, will determine the appropriate fee Chavis will be paid to write the Grant proposal for government funds.


Thank You Brothers.

:geek:Great Times. May Great Efforts Abound!:geek:

Here is the link and articles that give details on starting a non profit organization. It covers many topics and talks about why considering being adopted would be helpful. Go into the index to find that article about the adoption by other 501c non-profits... to help in getting started.

Starting a Nonprofit Organization

http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm

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You can be a nonprofit organization just by getting together with some friends, eg, to form a self-help group. In this case, you’re an informal nonprofit organization.
You can incorporate your nonprofit so it exists as a separate legal organization in order to a) own its own property and its own bank account; b) ensure that the nonprofit can continue on its own (even after you’re gone); and c) protect yourself personally from liability from operations of the nonprofit. You incorporate your nonprofit by filing articles of incorporation (or other charter documents) with the appropriate local state office. (An incorporated nonprofit requires a board of directors.) In Canada, you can file for incorporation at the provincial or Federal levels.
If you want your nonprofit (and if you think your nonprofit deserves) to be exempt from federal taxes (and maybe some other taxes, too), you should file with the IRS to be a "tax-exempt" organization. (The IRS states that you must be a corporation, community chest, fund, or foundation to receive tax-exempt status. Articles of association may also be used in place of incorporation.) (Probably the most well known type of nonprofit is a the IRS classification of 501(c)(3), a “charitable nonprofit’.) (Being tax-exempt is not the same as being tax-deductible.) In Canada, you can file for tax-exemption at the provincial and Federal levels.
Depending on the nature of your organization, you may also granted tax-deductible status from the IRS. Publication 526 lists the types of organizations to which donations are deductible. In Canada, the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA) grants charitble status, and you must be incorporated to achieve charitable status.
So, for example, you could start a nonprofit that is incorporated, tax-exempt and eligible to receive tax deductible donations.
The particular steps you take when starting your nonprofit depend on your plans for your organization, including the nature of its services. They also depend on how the IRS interprets the nature of your organization, including its services. Again, in Canada, you can file for incorporation and tax-exempt status at the provincial or Federal levels.


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Topics

First Things First -- What Do You Mean by "Starting a Nonprofit"? (http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm#anchor516676)
Feasibility Study -- "Should I Really Start a New Nonprofit?" (http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm#anchor1198278)
Consider Fiscal Sponsorship (another nonprofit to support your tax-exempt status, finances, etc.) (http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm#anchor508895)
Do You Need a Lawyer to Start Your Nonprofit? (http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm#anchor677527)
Nonprofit Incubators (help new nonprofits by sharing facilities, equipment, etc.) (http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm#anchor797218)
Checklists to Help You Register Your New Nonprofit (http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm#anchor4293394539)
Table of Reminders for Registering Your New Nonprofit (http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm#anchor168029)
Something to Avoid: Founder's Syndrome (http://managementhelp.org/strt_org/strt_np/strt_np.htm#anchor6106)

Get Clear About the Purpose (the Mission) for Your New Organization

Perhaps the best way to really clarify to yourself what you intend to accomplish by starting a new nonprofit is to write a basic mission statement for your organization. You'll soon need this mission statement anyway if you plan to incorporate your nonprofit (more about incorporation a little later on). The following guidelines may be helpful to you when writing your first, basic mission statement.


1. At is most basic, the mission statement describes the overall purpose of the organization. It addresses the question "Why does the organization exist?"

2. The statement can be in a wide variety of formats and lengths, ranging from a few sentences to a few pages. At this stage in the development of your nonprofit, it might be best to keep your mission statement to at most about half a page.

3. When writing the mission statement, try include description of what you think will be the new nonprofit's
a) primary benefits and services to clients
b) groups of clients who will benefit from those services
c) values that will guide how your nonprofit will operate
d) how you'd like others to view your nonprofit

4. It's often useful to refine the first, basic mission statement by adding or deleting a sentence or a word from the mission statement until you feel the remaining wording accurately describes the purpose of the new nonprofit organization.

GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......and to you BROTHER WARRIOR


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Brother Clyde

Please link this for me.
I am having trouble finding what your referencing.

Thank You.



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Thank You Brothers.

:geek:Great Times. May Great Efforts Abound!:geek:




Brother HODEE,

Please go to the top of the page(15) and find your post # 141. It is this post I make reference to for further review of the proposal by the brotherhood, in addition to what you shared with us over the mic already.

GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......

ON THE GENERAL ISSUES....I STAND IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED....AND TO ADD.....THE CUTTING AND PASTING OF THE PRAYER OF EMPOWERMENT ALONG WITH THE ANCESTORS INVOCATION ON MY PART HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE....

ON BUSINESS.....I STAND IN AGREEMENT OF THE 401K PLAN FOR THE FEFF...

AS FOR A MINIMUM DONATION INTO THE FEFF......I'M A BIT CONFUSED....I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A MINMUM ONE TIME GIFT.......OR A MINIMUM AMOUNT FOR ALL DONATIONS....EITHER WAY......IM IN FAVOR OF A MINIMUM AMOUNT.....


RESPECT & BLESSINGS....


WARRIOR




WARRIOR,

Point of information: The tabled question concerning a minimum donation to the FEFF is actually covered in the below link, which information is now apart of our Newsletter, Destee.com: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=592618&postcount=18

Includes graphs and charts as samples.
Great support document to learn from.



http://www.epa.gov/ogd/recipient/tips.htm
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This Format

This budget format is useful for planning both governmental and private grants. It has two basic parts: (I) Personnel costs, and (II) Non-Personnel costs. There is an optional third part called "Indirect Costs" that pertains to some grant applications. There is also a "Budget Summary." This is written after the budget is complete and is presented at the start of the budget.

The Proposal------Budget-------Budget Summary


Total this Grant $100,671.12
Total Requested $78,362.62
Total Match $22,308.50

Personnel

Salaries and Wages
Total $44,950.00
Total Requested $43,200.00
Total Match $6,750.00

Fringe Benefits

Total $12,148.62
Total Requested $10,479.12
Total Match $1,669.50

Non-Personnel

Total $38,572.50
Total Requested $24,683.50
Total Match $13889.00


Consultants and
Contract Services

Total $15,664.00
Total Requested $4,800.00
Total Match $10,864.00

Equipment
$7,710.00
$7,085.00
$625.00

Supplies
$1,287.00
$1,287.00
- 0 -

Travel
$1,761.00
$1,761.00
- 0 -

Other Costs
$12200.00
$9,800.00
$2400.00

Costs are divided into two columns: "requested" and "match." The "requested" column is for items we are asking the funding source to pay for. The "match" column represents those items that are either to be paid for from some other source of funds, or which are actually donated or contributed to the project. In the case of a federal grant proposal, these two columns represent the "federal share" and the "non-federal share." Let's look at each of these budget components separately. To the funding source, this will be done in what is called the "budget detail." This is where each section of the budget is broken down. Budget calculations also appear here. If the funding source provides forms, much of the following information will fit into the appropriate space on the form.

Budget Detail - Personnel: Salaries and Wages

Requested Match
Personnel

Salaries and Wages
(1) Exec. Dir. @ $1,500/mo x 10% x 12 mos. 1,800.00
(1) Proj. Dir. @ $1,200/mo x 100% x 12 mos. 14,400.00
(2) Counselors @ $900/mo x 100% x 11 mos. 19,800.00
(1) Counselor* @ $900/mo x 50% x 11 mos. 4,950.00
(1) Secretary @ $750/mo x 100% x 12 mos. 9,000.00

Total $ 43,200.00 $ 6,750.00

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Tips On Writing a Grant ProposalTips On Writing a Grant Proposal

Grants are sums of money awarded to finance a particular activity or facility. Generally, these grant awards do not need to be paid back. Federal agencies and other organizations sponsor grant programs for various reasons. Before developing a grant proposal, it is vitally important to understand the goals of the particular Federal agency or private organization, and of the grant program itself. This can be accomplished through careful analysis of the Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance (CFDA), Request for Initial Proposals (RFIP) or Request for Applications (RFA) and discussions with the information contact listed in each resource description. Through these discussions an applicant may find that, in order for a particular project to be eligible for funding, the original concept may need to be modified to meet the criteria of the grant program. In allocating funds, programs base their decisions on the applicant's ability to fit its proposed activities within the program's interest areas.

It is important for an applicant to become familiar with eligibility requirements and other criteria related to the organization and grant program from which assistance is sought. Applicants should remember that the basic requirements, application forms, information,
deadlines and procedures will vary for each grant maker.

Before You Begin Writing the Grant Proposal:

Rule #1: Believe that someone wants to give you the money!

Project your organization into the future.

Start with the end in mind...look at your organization's big picture. Who are you? What are your strengths and priorities?

Create a plan not just a proposal.

Do your homework: Research prospective funders. Try and search locally first. Target funding source that has interest in your organization and program.

If you need the money now, you have started too late.



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A successful grant proposal is one that is thoughtfully planned, well prepared, and concisely packaged. There are nine basic components in a solid proposal package:

1. Proposal Summary

The proposal summary appears at the beginning of the proposal and outlines the project. It can be a cover letter or a separate page. It should be brief: no longer than two or three paragraphs. It is often helpful to prepare the summary after the proposal has been developed. This makes it easier to include all the key points necessary to communicate the objectives of the project. The summary document becomes the foundation of the proposal. The first impression it gives will be critical to the success of the venture. It very possibly could be the only part of the package that is carefully reviewed before the decision is made to consider the project further.

2. Introduction of the Organization

Most proposals require a description of an applicant's organization and its past, present, and projected operations. Be concise, specific and compelling. Use the description to build credibility for your organization. (Start a "credibility" file.) Reinforce the connection between you and the grantor. Establish a context for your problem statement.

IN BRIEF: Who, what, when, why, and how much!

Some features to consider are:

A brief biography of board members and key staff members,
The organization's goals, philosophy, and record with other grantors,
any success stories. The data should be relevant to the goals of the granting organization and its grant program, and should establish the applicant's credibility.

3. Problem Statement

The problem statement (or needs assessment) is a key element of a proposal. It should be a clear, concise, well-supported statement of the problem to be overcome using the grant funding. An applicant could include data collected during a needs assessment that would illustrate the problems to be addressed. The information provided should be both factual and directly related to the problem addressed by the proposal.

Zero in on a specific problem you want to solve or an issue you want to address;

Do not make assumptions of the reviewers,

Use statistics to support the existence of your problem or issue,

Make a connection between the issue and your organization,

Make a case for your project locally, not just nationally,

Demonstrate your knowledge of the issue or problem and,

Set-up the milestones of your goals and objectives, address the outcomes you wish to achieve.


4. Project Objectives

The project objectives should clearly describe the goals of the project. Applicants should explain the expected results and benefits of each objective. They should also list the specific criteria of the grant program. Then, describe how the proposal meets each criterion. Goals are general and offer the evaluator an understanding of the thrust of your program. Objectives are specific, measurable outcomes. They should be realistic and attainable. Objectives help solve the problem or address the issue. If your objectives make reference to a number -- make sure it is do-able. Do not confuse objectives with methods. Always be realistic.

5. Project Methods or Design

The project method outlines the tasks that will be accomplished with the available resources. It is helpful to structure the project method as a timeline. Early in the planning process, applicants should list the tasks that will have to be completed to meet the goals of the project. They can then break these into smaller tasks and lay them out in a schedule over the grant time period. This will provide a chance to consider what personnel, materials, and other resources will be needed to carry out the tasks.

Describe in detail the activities that will take place in order to achieve desired results. Make sure your methods are realistic. Describe WHY you have chosen these activities. Justify them over all other approaches your organization could have taken. Show your knowledge of the bigger picture. Include a timetable of major milestones.

6. Project Evaluation

Applicants should develop evaluation criteria to evaluate progress towards project goals. It is important to define carefully and exactly how success will be determined. Applicants should ask themselves what they expect to be different once the project is complete. If you are having a problem developing your evaluation process, you better take another look at your objectives. Be ready to begin evaluation as you begin your project.


Summative and Formative Evaluation:

Summative Evaluation is a plan to evaluate the project that measures how you will have met your objectives.

Formative Evaluation is a plan to evaluate the project during and after its execution. It can be used as a tool to make appropriate changes along the way.

7. Future Funding

Applicants may be asked to list expected sources of continuing funding after the conclusion of the grant. The applicant may also be required to list other sources and amounts of funding obtained for the project.

8. The Proposal Budget

Funding sources require different amounts of detail in the budget. Most Federal funding sources require a large amount of detail. Also, they usually provide budget forms with instructions. The budget format presented here is designed to match what most Federal agencies request. If the funding source requires a specific format, you must provide a budget in that format.


9. Your Budget is an Estimate

Your budget is an estimate. Still, you may not exceed the total amount for the grant. Do not feel you must spend the money to the penny. Your funding source will allow some freedom in spending the money. They might permit requests to change the budget. Such requests must be in writing. A written response becomes a formal "budget modification." The budget modification changes the conditions of the grant. Careful planning will decrease the number of changes that may be required. Also, careful planning shows honesty. This honesty will be necessary to get permission for future changes.

Please go to link and see the remaing charts and information.
Brothers study this info and give your comments. This a joint effort.

Ready to take on this endeavor! :whip:

There are many grants.

There are grants to help children.

There are grants to help the elderly.

Have them downloaded weekly to you from www.seliger.com (http://www.seliger.com)
Each have deadlines that come and go fast.
Once we have the cookie cutter.. we can begin to bake.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 18, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

lilpea
Nasheed
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR(provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Nasheed gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:15 PM, in lieu of continuing Chat room difficulties. Some had sound problems and my mic failed to work, in spite of efforts by bro. lilpea's explanation of the sound card. The minutes were read by Bro. Nasheed and accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq, to include projected gifts by bro. saglifesaw, Tariq and Sister VIDALIFE.


Bro. Tariq gave a quarterlly report on gifts made to the FEFF, and brought us up to date on the first wave of T-Shirts being available as early as this Friday, provided sizes and decals are collected. Tariq also spoke on our status as gods but broke, and continues to encourage us to take on the mind-set of our ancestor, Booker T. Washington. In addition, all brothers are challenged to cut and paste the prayer of empowerment and ancestors invocation for ready reference.

Business: Brother HODEE came to the mic and spoke on the tabled proposal, extensively. The theme is to empower our communities by helping the kids, and not necessarily starting a school but to have an impact on the black society with after school programs. Although HODEE admits he has no ideas on how to build the FEFF, his thoughts were to work 401k's, for us to take a good look at the dot com site thats on the table(fastweb.com), solicit our churches for adoption by 501C's, etc...

The brotherhood adopts HODEE's proposal and Bro. WARRIOR's concept of starting a Credit Union as future goals, and agrees to invite Sis Linda Chavis to our next meeting and starting this Thursday, will determine the appropriate fee Chavis will be paid to write the Grant proposal for government funds.

For a detail review of HODEE's plan, all are encouraged to read his posted input to the BC recap thread in the Brothers Chat forum.

Unfinished business: Toward the end of the meeting, HODEE asked whether we should consider setting a minimum gift donation to the FEFF. This questioned is tabled to our next meeting.

The meeting ended on time with our customary Ancestor Invocation by Bro. Nasheed, and some good jazz put us into meditation.









Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 25, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Linda Chavis (guest)
Elder Bahkhr (on the mic by phone
Nasheed (briefly)
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input/on the mic by phone)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Tariq gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:45 PM. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq, which included gifts by bro. saglifesaw, Tariq and Sister VIDALIFE.

Business: We went straight into the discussion of Bro. HODEE's proposal, along with Sister Linda's input relating to grant writing. The business consumed the entire meeting period. Herewith are just some of the highpoints of said discussion. Also, the brotherhood is being advised to read all input to the proposal that HODEE has left in the recap thread.

Tariq set the stage for HODEE and Linda to go back and forth on the issues of the proposal. HODEE explained the idea was basically for after school programs in the communities, to be ran by non-profits in various states.

Sister Linda explained In Kind was a fine example of a brick and mortar establishment. That money was tight now, and in her view, this would be a long term, not a short term goal to reach. Tariq asked how much money would be needed to start the process, and Linda's reply was its hard to answer and depends on size of the project. Clyde asked is this possible from the Internet, and Linda says no, it would have to be brick and mortar(building).

Tariq wanted to know where would the plan be best suited, and Linda explained that communities with kids works best, even in apartment complexes. Tariq asked how would we go about paying her. Linda explained she would have to paid directly and not from the grant funds. Also the Board members should be financial donators that also work in the program.

Brother Elder Bahkhr added that his organization applied for a Charter and has obtained the 501c3 letter of certification. Bro. Elder explained that his group's focus was with Family Wellness. It was shared that Bro. Tariq holds a Board member position within the group.

There was much back and forth on the possiblity that the proposal could be adopted by a non-profit entity of the proposal. This would cut the up to 1 year period of time it normally takes to become 501c3 sanctioned.

Some considered the adoption process and some rejected it. In our brainstorming of the proposal, it was decided to take deeper looks into all the information we learned from our three presenters, and to soak up all the info Bro. HODEE has placed into the recap thread.

Brother saglifesaw blessed us by coming to the mic and shared the extent to which his love for Destee.com is moved. Saglifesaw says when it come to money, he is willing to share some of his commodities (tin, copper, etc...). Everyone in the room applauded bro. saglifesaw's sincerity and generosity. Hats off to Linda Chavis for hanging with the brotherhood, even though she needed sleep, that is extra-ordinary.


The meeting concluded around 9:30 PM, with the understanding that minutes from the previous meeting will be read and accepted next meeting. The customary Ancestor Invocation was given by Bro. Tariq.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 25, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Linda Chavis (guest)
Elder Bahkhr (on the mic by phone
Nasheed (briefly)
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input/on the mic by phone)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Tariq gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:45 PM. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq, which included gifts by bro. saglifesaw, Tariq and Sister VIDALIFE.

Business: We went straight into the discussion of Bro. HODEE's proposal, along with Sister Linda's input relating to grant writing. The business consumed the entire meeting period. Herewith are just some of the highpoints of said discussion. Also, the brotherhood is being advised to read all input to the proposal that HODEE has left in the recap thread.

Tariq set the stage for HODEE and Linda to go back and forth on the issues of the proposal. HODEE explained the idea was basically for after school programs in the communities, to be ran by non-profits in various states.

Sister Linda explained Inkand was a fine example of a brick and mortar establishment. That money was tight now, and in her view, this would be a long term, not a short term goal to reach. Tariq asked how much money would be needed to start the process, and Linda's reply was its hard to answer and depends on size of the project. Clyde asked is this possible from the Internet, and Linda says no, it would have to be brick and mortar(building).

Tariq wanted to know where would the plan be best suited, and Linda explained that communities with kids works best, even in apartment complexes. Tariq asked how would we go about paying her. Linda explained she would have to paid directly and not from the grant funds. Also the Board members should be financial donators that also work in the program.

Brother Elder Bahkhr added that his organization applied for a Charter and has obtained the 501c3 letter of certification. Bro. Elder explained that his group's focus was with Family Wellness. It was shared that Bro. Tariq holds a Board member position within the group.

There was much back and forth on the possiblity that the proposal could be adopted by a non-profit entity of the proposal. This would cut the up to 1 year period of time it normally takes to become 501c3 sanctioned.

Some considered the adoption process and some rejected it. In our brainstorming of the proposal, it was decided to take deeper looks into all the information we learned from our three presenters, and to soak up all the info Bro. HODEE has placed into the recap thread.

Brother saglifesaw blessed us by coming to the mic and shared the extent to which his love for Destee.com is moved. Saglifesaw says when it come to money, he is willing to share some of his commodities (tin, copper, etc...). Everyone in the room applauded bro. saglifesaw's sincerity and generosity. Hats off to Linda Chavis for hanging with the brotherhood, even though she needed sleep, that is extra-ordinary.


The meeting concluded around 9:30 PM, with the understanding that minutes from the previous meeting will be read and accepted next meeting. The customary Ancestor Invocation was given by Bro. Tariq.





GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......AND TO SIS. LINDA CHAVIS....

ON THE BUSINESS MATTER.......I READ BRO. HODEE'S PRPOSAL AND I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECTED PLAN.....


I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS :

1) WILL THE FRINGE BENEFITS BE INCREASED AS MORE DONATIONS ARE ADDED TO THE PLAN AS IT MATURES ?

2) IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A JOINING ACCOUNT WITH A LESSER START UP AMOUNT TO BE USED AS A SAFETY NET ?


FURTHERMORE , CONCERNING A BUILDING IN AN AREA WHERE THERE ARE CHILDREN......ONCE ONE IS CHOSEN....

I HAVE A FEW CHAIRS......A USED SOFA......AND A DESK THAT I WILL DONATE TO THE BUILDING IF ONE IS ATTAINED.....I DONT MIND DRIVING THESE ITEMS 500 MILES FROM MY AREA.......ANYTHING FURTHER THAN THAT , I WOULD NEED ONE OF THE BROTHERS TO MEET ME WITH A TRUCK FOR A RELAY-STYLE PICK-UP.....

I HAVE TWO FRIENDS....ONE IN DALLAS.......ANOTHER OUTSIDE OF MONTGOMERY , ALABAMA......BOTH ARE IN REAL ESTATE......

UPON REQUEST...IF NEEDED......EITHER ONE CAN PRODUCE LISTS OF CHEAP PROPERTY WITHIN THEIR STATES.......ANYWHERE ELSE WOULD TAKE TIME FOR THEM TO CONTACT THEIR CONTACTS.....

AN AMEN FOR THE THE ANCESTOR INVOCATION.....


PEACE & BLESSINGS


WARRIOR

GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......AND TO SIS. LINDA CHAVIS....

ON THE BUSINESS MATTER.......I READ BRO. HODEE'S PRPOSAL AND I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECTED PLAN.....


I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS :

1) WILL THE FRINGE BENEFITS BE INCREASED AS MORE DONATIONS ARE ADDED TO THE PLAN AS IT MATURES ?

2) IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A JOINING ACCOUNT WITH A LESSER START UP AMOUNT TO BE USED AS A SAFETY NET ?


FURTHERMORE , CONCERNING A BUILDING IN AN AREA WHERE THERE ARE CHILDREN......ONCE ONE IS CHOSEN....

I HAVE A FEW CHAIRS......A USED SOFA......AND A DESK THAT I WILL DONATE TO THE BUILDING IF ONE IS ATTAINED.....I DONT MIND DRIVING THESE ITEMS 500 MILES FROM MY AREA.......ANYTHING FURTHER THAN THAT , I WOULD NEED ONE OF THE BROTHERS TO MEET ME WITH A TRUCK FOR A RELAY-STYLE PICK-UP.....

I HAVE TWO FRIENDS....ONE IN DALLAS.......ANOTHER OUTSIDE OF MONTGOMERY , ALABAMA......BOTH ARE IN REAL ESTATE......

UPON REQUEST...IF NEEDED......EITHER ONE CAN PRODUCE LISTS OF CHEAP PROPERTY WITHIN THEIR STATES.......ANYWHERE ELSE WOULD TAKE TIME FOR THEM TO CONTACT THEIR CONTACTS.....

AN AMEN FOR THE THE ANCESTOR INVOCATION.....


PEACE & BLESSINGS


WARRIOR




WARRIOR,

Your input is duly noted. In regards to the first two questions, are you speaking to HODEE's plan or the FEFF?

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday August 25, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Linda Chavis (guest)
Elder Ba'khyr (on the mic by phone)
Nasheed (briefly)
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input/on the mic by phone)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Tariq gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:45 PM. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq, which included gifts by bro. saglifesaw, Tariq and Sister VIDALIFE.

Business: We went straight into the discussion of Bro. HODEE's proposal, along with Sister Linda's input relating to grant writing. The business consumed the entire meeting period. Herewith are just some of the highpoints of said discussion. Also, the brotherhood is being advised to read all input to the proposal that HODEE has left in the recap thread.

Tariq set the stage for HODEE and Linda to go back and forth on the issues of the proposal. HODEE explained the idea was basically for after school programs in the communities, to be ran by non-profits in various states.

Sister Linda explained In Kind was a fine example of a brick and mortar establishment. That money was tight now, and in her view, this would be a long term, not a short term goal to reach. Tariq asked how much money would be needed to start the process, and Linda's reply was its hard to answer and depends on size of the project. Clyde asked is this possible from the Internet, and Linda says no, it would have to be brick and mortar(building).

Tariq wanted to know where would the plan be best suited, and Linda explained that communities with kids works best, even in apartment complexes. Tariq asked how would we go about paying her. Linda explained she would have to paid directly and not from the grant funds. Also the Board members should be financial donators that also work in the program.

Brother Elder Ba'khyr added that his organization applied for a Charter and has obtained the 501c3 letter of certification. Bro. Elder explained that his group's focus was with Family Wellness. It was shared that Bro. Tariq holds a Board member position within the group.

There was much back and forth on the possiblity that the proposal could be adopted by a non-profit entity of the proposal. This would cut the up to 1 year period of time it normally takes to become 501c3 sanctioned.

Some considered the adoption process and some rejected it. In our brainstorming of the proposal, it was decided to take deeper looks into all the information we learned from our three presenters, and to soak up all the info Bro. HODEE has placed into the recap thread.

Brother saglifesaw blessed us by coming to the mic and shared the extent to which his love for Destee.com is moved. Saglifesaw says when it come to money, he is willing to share some of his commodities (tin, copper, etc...). Everyone in the room applauded bro. saglifesaw's sincerity and generosity. Hats off to Linda Chavis for hanging with the brotherhood, even though she needed sleep, that is extra-ordinary.


The meeting concluded around 9:30 PM, with the understanding that minutes from the previous meeting will be read and accepted next meeting. The customary Ancestor Invocation was given by Bro. Tariq.








Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 01, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr (on the mic by phone)
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Tariq gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:24 PM. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq. There was discussion on the importance of the prayer of empowerment and the reading of the minutes, which serves as our foundational structure. This fact was sealed by Bro. Elder and some riveting comments.

Bro. Tariq read the minutes from our last two meetings (August 18 and 25), which were accepted by the brotherhood. Bro. HODEE came to the mic with an overview of last weeks informative meeting concerning his proposal of after school programs. HODEE willingly placed the concept on the back-burner as a long term project. We had deep discussion on the adoption process of an already 501c3 operation, Believers in Action. Believers in Action is the start-up and passion of Bro. Elder Ba'khyr and Bro. Tariq sets on the board.

After further deep discussion, we decided to continue drilling down on the facts by sinking into the links and info at our disposal provided by HODEE, Sister Linda Chavis and Bro. Elder Ba'khyr. We also held brief discussion on WARRIOR'S proposal of a Credit Union, ultimately.


The discussion shifted to our most important tool, The Family Emergency Financial Fund (FEFF). The brotherhood is committed to improve the econmic condition of our members here at Destee.com, and to settle into our black communities in the fight of economic violence. This goal forces that serious consideration be given to HODEE's proposal.



Tariq motioned that we accept Elder Ba'khyr as a core member of Brothers Chat. This motioned passed unanimously. We now have 10 core members, whose status will be reviewed based on participation with the group, for update purposes. Below is the core element of the Brotherhood and how it was formed:

Tariq asked WARRIOR to come to the mic and expound more on PalTalk. WARRIOR gave us the details about DesteeBrothersChat, which is also in last weeks minutes. Tariq moved that the eight brothers in the room tonight, plus Bro. $$RICH$$, be consided the core foundation of the Brotherhood in Brothers Chat, and no one objected:

ELDER BA'KHYR
$$RICH$$
saglifesaw
HODEE
lilpea
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr



We finished up around 9:03 PM, with the Ancestor Invocation by Bro. Tariq. Afterwards, we were asked to stay and conclude the issue of dependability of core membership within the brotherhood. A fair settlement was reached and the meeting concluded around 9:16 PM.

to the mins of August 25, 2009. inkand should read In Kind. What it means is working with another agency for space or whatever is needed to get the after school program up and running.

...One correction


to the mins of August 25, 2009. inkand should read In Kind. What it means is working with another agency for space or whatever is needed to get the after school program up and running.




Thanks Sister Linda Chavis, it will be corrected now, from Inkand to In Kind.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 01, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr (on the mic by phone)
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Tariq gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:24 PM. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq. There was discussion on the importance of the prayer of empowerment and the reading of the minutes, which serves as our foundational structure. This fact was sealed by Bro. Elder and some riveting comments.

Bro. Tariq read the minutes from our last two meetings (August 18 and 25), which were accepted by the brotherhood. Bro. HODEE came to the mic with an overview of last weeks informative meeting concerning his proposal of after school programs. HODEE willingly placed the concept on the back-burner as a long term project. We had deep discussion on the adoption process of an already 501c3 operation, Believers in Action. Believers in Action is the start-up and passion of Bro. Elder B'khyr and Bro. Tariq sets on the board.

After further deep discussion, we decided to continue drilling down on the facts by sinking into the links and info at our disposal provided by HODEE, Sister Linda Chavis and Bro. Elder Ba'khyr. We also held brief discussion on WARRIOR'S proposal of a Credit Union, ultimately.


The discussion shifted to our most important tool, The Family Emergency Financial Fund (FEFF). The brotherhood is committed to improve the econmic condition of our members here at Destee.com, and to settle into our black communities in the fight of economic violence. This goal forces that serious consideration be given to HODEE's proposal.



Tariq motioned that we accept Elder Ba'khyr as a core member of Brothers Chat. This motioned passed unanimously. We now have 10 core members, whose status will be reviewed based on participation with the group, for update purposes.


We finished up around 9:03 PM, with the Ancestor Invocation by Bro. Tariq. Afterwards, we were asked to stay and conclude the issue of dependability of core membership within the brotherhood. A fair settlement was reached and the meeting concluded around 9:16 PM.









GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS.......AND BROTHER'S HUG FOR BRO. ELDER BA'KHYR....

I STAND IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ON ALL ISSUES....AND I RECENTLY MADE A DONATION TO THE FEFF.....

THE PRAYER OF EMPOWERMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED WITH MY DAILY PRAYERS....AND I WILL BE INTRODUCING THE ANCESTORS INVOCATION TO MY FAMILY ON LABOR DAY....

AN AMEN FOR THE ANCESTORS INVOCATION.....


WARRIOR

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 01, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr (on the mic by phone)
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Tariq gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:24 PM. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq. There was discussion on the importance of the prayer of empowerment and the reading of the minutes, which serves as our foundational structure. This fact was sealed by Bro. Elder and some riveting comments.

Bro. Tariq read the minutes from our last two meetings (August 18 and 25), which were accepted by the brotherhood. Bro. HODEE came to the mic with an overview of last weeks informative meeting concerning his proposal of after school programs. HODEE willingly placed the concept on the back-burner as a long term project. We had deep discussion on the adoption process of an already 501c3 operation, Believers in Action. Believers in Action is the start-up and passion of Bro. Elder B'khyr and Bro. Tariq sets on the board.

After further deep discussion, we decided to continue drilling down on the facts by sinking into the links and info at our disposal provided by HODEE, Sister Linda Chavis and Bro. Elder Ba'khyr. We also held brief discussion on WARRIOR'S proposal of a Credit Union, ultimately.


The discussion shifted to our most important tool, The Family Emergency Financial Fund (FEFF). The brotherhood is committed to improve the econmic condition of our members here at Destee.com, and to settle into our black communities in the fight of economic violence. This goal forces that serious consideration be given to HODEE's proposal.



Tariq motioned that we accept Elder Ba'khyr as a core member of Brothers Chat. This motioned passed unanimously. We now have 10 core members, whose status will be reviewed based on participation with the group, for update purposes.


We finished up around 9:03 PM, with the Ancestor Invocation by Bro. Tariq. Afterwards, we were asked to stay and conclude the issue of dependability of core membership within the brotherhood. A fair settlement was reached and the meeting concluded around 9:16 PM.







Self-Regulation: Keys to Success
(Outline Draft)

http://chiron.valdosta.edu/whuitt/col/regsys/selfreg.html

self-efficacy (can this be done; can I do it)
=================

The following steps are recommended:

First establish desired outcomes in broad terms (dream, vision statements)

Prepare personal mission statement

Compare mission statement and desired outcomes and revise as necessary

Set long-term goals and objectives (put a date on the desired outcomes)

Use backwards planning to establish intermediate goals and objectives

Develop action plan (establish plan for success)

Focus on implementing process to excellence

Check progress vis-a-vis objectives

In general, outcome statements (e.g., dream, vision, mission, goals) must be written if they are to be motivating.

Short-term goals seem to be absolutely necessary to provide the energy and direction to get started.
However, the emotion associated with dreams and vision may be more necessary for perseverance.

If reasonable progress is not made towards goals in a reasonable amount of time, then make changes in process.

Imagery

See yourself accomplishing goals, being successful

Mental rehearsal

Clear, concise

Review data on goals versus imagery

Discuss techniques

Self-talk

Neurolinguistic Programming -- Anthony Robbins

Rational Emotive Therapy -- Ellis, Beck

Optimism versus Pessimism -- Seligman

Systematically train self to focus on positive

Self-monitoring

Keep record of daily, weekly, monthly actions

Feedback--without taking action and assessing feedback, establishing dreams and vision or setting goals becomes an academic exercise not likely to make a meaningful contribution to success.

So feed back and discussions are very important to success. I posted these concepts to help us get focused. In this thread, we need to list Our Mission Statement. List our goals and plans, and always be open to modify them as we agree and as needed.

Summary

Establish aspirations, dreams and goals

Develop and implement plan of action

Imagine yourself taking action and being successful

Use self-talk and stay focused on positive

Collect and review feedback

Stay abreast of changing conditions and the need to modify dreams, goals, and plans to take advantage of new opportunities.

Thank You Brothers

1. Mission Statement

A clearly articulated mission statement that is adopted by an organization will explain and popularize the purpose and serve as a guide to the organization’s work.

A well-written mission statement shows why FEFF exists, what it hopes to accomplish, and what activities it will undertake, where( both online and off-line ) , and for whom.

===================

A Guide to Good Governance.

A mission Statement. By itself, the process of drafting and discussing such an inspirational statement can be stimulating and beneficial, but if the mission statement is to be more than that, if it is to serve as a core description of identity and a map for the future.

The FEFF needs to find a way to foster, more participation.

By others joining with the existing core members.

Understand always that we remain open minded individuals.
Actively cooperating, and welcoming participation
From other Brothers on the site who are of like mind.

Who desire more than rhetoric.

Brothers who are action oriented and
who are willing to put in the time, effort and attention
needed to foster growth among us.

Be it change political, social, or economic.
Brothers United to put their name on the line,
their signature to a petition.
Efforts towards an idea, goal, or cause, lofty ones and small ones.

Brothers just willing to change and make our lives better in these here United States.

Brothers who are interested in forming with existing core members of the FEFF and others to work towards solving, helping and changing the conditions or children, our nieces, nephews, our wives, mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers in general.

Conditions we find we are in, within the United States of America and in this society as a whole.

Keeping in mind!
We are about Growth and in numbers, and participation.
We can Achieve!

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 01, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr (on the mic by phone)
saglifesaw
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Tariq gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:24 PM. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Tariq. There was discussion on the importance of the prayer of empowerment and the reading of the minutes, which serves as our foundational structure. This fact was sealed by Bro. Elder and some riveting comments.

Bro. Tariq read the minutes from our last two meetings (August 18 and 25), which were accepted by the brotherhood. Bro. HODEE came to the mic with an overview of last weeks informative meeting concerning his proposal of after school programs. HODEE willingly placed the concept on the back-burner as a long term project. We had deep discussion on the adoption process of an already 501c3 operation, Believers in Action. Believers in Action is the start-up and passion of Bro. Elder Ba'khyr and Bro. Tariq sets on the board.

After further deep discussion, we decided to continue drilling down on the facts by sinking into the links and info at our disposal provided by HODEE, Sister Linda Chavis and Bro. Elder Ba'khyr. We also held brief discussion on WARRIOR'S proposal of a Credit Union, ultimately.


The discussion shifted to our most important tool, The Family Emergency Financial Fund (FEFF). The brotherhood is committed to improve the econmic condition of our members here at Destee.com, and to settle into our black communities in the fight of economic violence. This goal forces that serious consideration be given to HODEE's proposal.



Tariq motioned that we accept Elder Ba'khyr as a core member of Brothers Chat. This motioned passed unanimously. We now have 10 core members, whose status will be reviewed based on participation with the group, for update purposes. Below is the core element of the Brotherhood and how it was formed:

Tariq asked WARRIOR to come to the mic and expound more on PalTalk. WARRIOR gave us the details about DesteeBrothersChat, which is also in last weeks minutes. Tariq moved that the eight brothers in the room tonight, plus Bro. $$RICH$$, be consided the core foundation of the Brotherhood in Brothers Chat, and no one objected:

ELDER BA'KHYR
$$RICH$$
saglifesaw
HODEE
lilpea
Nasheed
WARRIOR
Info-moetry
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr



We finished up around 9:03 PM, with the Ancestor Invocation by Bro. Tariq. Afterwards, we were asked to stay and conclude the issue of dependability of core membership within the brotherhood. A fair settlement was reached and the meeting concluded around 9:16 PM.










Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 08, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr (on the mic by phone)
saglifesaw
Nasheed
info-moetry
lilpea
Kemetstry (briefly)
most highs gift
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Nasheed gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:14 PM, and read the minutes, which were accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Clyde, along with a tip on reducing the fee charged by PayPal.

General Issues:Brother lilpea came to the mic and gave further instructions on how to make a gift donation, clear of any charges. lilpea explained that after selecting the Send Money option, look for the Personal tab that is beside the Purchase tap. The Personal tab opens a box that allows the giver to select the Gift box. Otherwise, if the Purchase tab is selected, the full amount will not hit the books, but a small charge will be applied, for example a Twenty dollar gift will show up as 19.18. We actually witnessed lilpea's donation made in the meeting.

Discussion:Old business from the previous meeting involved determining a method for updating the Brotherhood's core element of 10 dependable members. Bro. Nasheed kicked it off with a suggestion, which was modified to a 1.5 month review period for those core members not in attendance for the meetings. We also adopted doing a "well-check" by phone, and all in attendance exchanged telephone numbers for this purpose. If after doing "well-checks" within the 1.5 month review period, the member will be placed in stand-by status for a total of 3 months before being dropped from the roles. Bro. lilpea strongly pushed using the standby notification.

New Business:Bro. Nasheed brought up a way in which the current religious disputes cound be settled in the Forums. After much discussion, we agreed to accept that that issue is a up hill battle, it is best served by ignoring the activity, that those engaging are to be guided by Rule #1 of the Forums, to show respect for the beliefs of others. We also will no longer hold discussions of this nature in the Brothers Only Chat meeting.

The new brother in attendance, most highs gift, was helped with a Red lilght condition and other Chat room dificulties, during and after the meeting by Bro. lilpea. Bro. Nasheed gave the Ancestors Invocation around 9: 03 PM and the meeting concluded shortly thereafter.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 08, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr (on the mic by phone)
saglifesaw
Nasheed
info-moetry
lilpea
Kemetstry (briefly)
most highs gift
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Nasheed gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:14 PM, and read the minutes, which were accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Clyde, along with a tip on reducing the fee charged by PayPal.

General Issues:Brother lilpea came to the mic and gave further instructions on how to make a gift donation, clear of any charges. lilpea explained that after selecting the Send Money option, look for the Personal tab that is beside the Purchase tap. The Personal tab opens a box that allows the giver to select the Gift box. Otherwise, if the Purchase tab is selected, the full amount will not hit the books, but a small charge will be applied, for example a Twenty dollar gift will show up as 19.18. We actually witnessed lilpea's donation made in the meeting.

Discussion:Old business from the previous meeting involved determining a method for updating the Brotherhood's core element of 10 dependable members. Bro. Nasheed kicked it off with a suggestion, which was modified to a 1.5 month review period for those core members not in attendance for the meetings. We also adopted doing a "well-check" by phone, and all in attendance exchanged telephone numbers for this purpose. If after doing "well-checks" within the 1.5 month review period, the member will be placed in stand-by status for a total of 3 months before being dropped from the roles. Bro. lilpea strongly pushed using the standby notification.

New Business:Bro. Nasheed brought up a way in which the current religious disputes cound be settled in the Forums. After much discussion, we agreed to accept that that issue is a up hill battle, it is best served by ignoring the activity, that those engaging are to be guided by Rule #1 of the Forums, to show respect for the beliefs of others. We also will no longer hold discussions of this nature in the Brothers Only Chat meeting.

The new brother in attendance, most highs gift, was helped with a Red lilght condition and other Chat room dificulties, during and after the meeting by Bro. lilpea. Bro. Nasheed gave the Ancestors Invocation around 9: 03 PM and the meeting concluded shortly thereafter.





GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......

I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF ALL ISSUES DISCUSSED.....

AS FOR NEW BUSINESS......I AGREE WITH THE DECISION ON THE RELIGIOUS DISPUTES....

I EXTEND A POUND AND A BROTHER'S HUG TO BRO. MOST HIGHS GIFT....

AN AMEN FOR THE ANCESTOR'S INVOCATION...


WARRIOR

GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......

I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF ALL ISSUES DISCUSSED.....

AS FOR NEW BUSINESS......I AGREE WITH THE DECISION ON THE RELIGIOUS DISPUTES....

I EXTEND A POUND AND A BROTHER'S HUG TO BRO. MOST HIGHS GIFT....

AN AMEN FOR THE ANCESTOR'S INVOCATION...


WARRIOR


Thank you brother WARRIOR, from my perspective, there is only one thing needful, awhile back you raised a question in one of your input posts, did that question pertain to the FEFF of HODEE's plan?

Peace In my brother friend

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 08, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr (on the mic by phone)
saglifesaw
Nasheed
info-moetry
lilpea
Kemetstry (briefly)
most highs gift
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.


General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Nasheed gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7:14 PM, and read the minutes, which were accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Clyde, along with a tip on reducing the fee charged by PayPal.

General Issues:Brother lilpea came to the mic and gave further instructions on how to make a gift donation, clear of any charges. lilpea explained that after selecting the Send Money option, look for the Personal tab that is beside the Purchase tap. The Personal tab opens a box that allows the giver to select the Gift box. Otherwise, if the Purchase tab is selected, the full amount will not hit the books, but a small charge will be applied, for example a Twenty dollar gift will show up as 19.18. We actually witnessed lilpea's donation made in the meeting.

Discussion:Old business from the previous meeting involved determining a method for updating the Brotherhood's core element of 10 dependable members. Bro. Nasheed kicked it off with a suggestion, which was modified to a 1.5 month review period for those core members not in attendance for the meetings. We also adopted doing a "well-check" by phone, and all in attendance exchanged telephone numbers for this purpose. If after doing "well-checks" within the 1.5 month review period, the member will be placed in stand-by status for a total of 3 months before being dropped from the roles. Bro. lilpea strongly pushed using the standby notification.

New Business:Bro. Nasheed brought up a way in which the current religious disputes cound be settled in the Forums. After much discussion, we agreed to accept that that issue is a up hill battle, it is best served by ignoring the activity, that those engaging are to be guided by Rule #1 of the Forums, to show respect for the beliefs of others. We also will no longer hold discussions of this nature in the Brothers Only Chat meeting.

The new brother in attendance, most highs gift, was helped with a Red light condition and other Chat room dificulties, during and after the meeting by Bro. lilpea. Bro. Nasheed gave the Ancestors Invocation around 9: 03 PM and the meeting concluded shortly thereafter.





Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 15, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

zahir
Elder Ba'khyr
saglifesaw
Nasheed
info-moetry
lilpea...........(?)
Uptowne (briefly)
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
KWABENA
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.



General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Elder Ba'khyr gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7: 05 PM, and read the minutes, which were accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Ba'khyr.

Discussion: Brother saglifesaw came to the mic and presented a serious question to the brothrhood. His question hinged on the mis-treatment a particular author received after writing a book, which exposed falsehood of the so-called Jews, or White Jews.

Brother HODEE was next on the mic and presented a topic of current significance concerning President Barack Obama. We enjoyed a robust back and forth on Obama's Health Plan for the country and its affect, if any, on the Black Community, at large.

Brother Nasheed's mic presentation shared with us his recent medical evaluation, and all wished him well, and to stay encouraged.

Brother Tariq spent the balance of the evening bringing forth the missing elements of Bro. saglifesaw's question. Without going at length of the engaging back and forth during Tariq's presentation; understand that all in attendance learned a lot about the so-called Jews. Brother info-moetry provided a link to Dr. John Henry Clarke, our dear ancestor, and Tariq played several excerpts from the tape and laid down a deep historical foundation, from a black perspective, to the brotherhood.

This meeting, grounded us in knowledge concerning our ancestors, past and present, and all in attendence participated with enthusiasm.

The meeting ended on time with Bro. Ba'khyr giving Ancestors Invocation around 9: 01 PM and the meeting concluded shortly thereafter, with music for the soul.

Salaam Brothers:

Tuesday evening was my first Brother's Chat. I found it a very pleasant experience. I hope to attend more often and hope to make some form of contribution in the future. I strongly encourage all black male members of this community to visit, share, and receive.

Best wishes to all. Keep up the good work.

Salaam

Muhammad. R. Zahir

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 15, 2009 from 7-9 PM Central


In attendance for Brothers Chat(BC):

zahir
Elder Ba'khyr
saglifesaw
Nasheed
info-moetry
lilpea...........(?)
Uptowne (briefly)
HODEE
WARRIOR (provided thread input)
Tariq Muhammad
KWABENA
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.



General Issues:The meeting open on time and Bro. Elder Ba'khyr gave the Prayer of Empowerment around 7: 05 PM, and read the minutes, which were accepted. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bro. Ba'khyr.

Discussion: Brother saglifesaw came to the mic and presented a serious question to the brothrhood. His question hinged on the mis-treatment a particular author received after writing a book, which exposed falsehood of the so-called Jews, or White Jews.

Brother HODEE was next on the mic and presented a topic of current significance concerning President Barack Obama. We enjoyed a robust back and forth on Obama's Health Plan for the country and its affect, if any, on the Black Community, at large.

Brother Nasheed's mic presentation shared with us his recent medical evaluation, and all wished him well, and to stay encouraged.

Brother Tariq spent the balance of the evening bringing forth the missing elements of Bro. saglifesaw's question. Without going at length of the engaging back and forth during Tariq's presentation; understand that all in attendance learned a lot about the so-called Jews. Brother info-moetry provided a link to Dr. John Henry Clarke, our dear ancestor, and Tariq played several excerpts from the tape and laid down a deep historical foundation, from a black perspective, to the brotherhood.

This meeting, grounded us in knowledge concerning our ancestors, past and present, and all in attendence participated with enthusiasm.

The meeting ended on time with Bro. Ba'khyr giving Ancestors Invocation around 9: 01 PM and the meeting concluded shortly thereafter, with music for the soul.





GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS....

PLEASE EXCUSE MY TARDINESS IN RESPONDING TO THE THREAD.......

I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE GENERAL ISSUES AND THE DISCUSSION.....

AN AMEN FOR THE ANCESTOR'S INVOCATION.....


WARRIOR

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 22, 2009 from 7-9PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat:

Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
Saglifesaw
Tfreedom
Fullspeed
Warrior(thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Tariq gave the Prayer Of Empowerment around 1915. Due to Bro Clyde's absence and Bro Nasheed computer issues the minutes were kept by both Bro. Elder Ba'khyr and Bro. Nasheed. Bro Hodee suggested that we use Audio Minutes to insure that we have an accurate account of the meeting in case we face this problem again. This issue was tabled until All The Core Members are present.

Bro. Tariq informed the Bros present that Bro Clyde was absent due to a Family Emergency. A Prayer was sent out to Bro Clyde and his Family for the situation that they are encountering.

The minutes were read by Bro. Tariq and a balance of The Family Emergency Financial Fund(FEFF) which was accepted by the Brotherhood.

Bro. Elder Ba'khyr came to the mic and presented an idea of merging The FEFF with the Believers In Action Group which is a Non Profit(Tax Exempt) Organazation.(President Elder Ba'khyr and Vice President Tariq Muhammad). Bro Elder also gave a brief overview of his organization and it's mission plan. This subject was tabled for next meeting. Bro Elder also presented Food For Thought on establishing a counseling session by the Elders(40&up).

Bro. Tariq came to the mic and officially welcomed Bro's Tfreedom and Fullspeed. A brief but detailed overview/mission statement of Brothers chat was explained as well as the #1 Rule of Destee.Com. Brother Tariq also explained the the Benefits of Premium Membership and its importance to Destee.Com. Suggestion on the coffee cups, tee shirts, and the next news letter were discussed as well. (Tabled until next meeting)

The last 30 Min's were set aside for Bro Nasheed and Bro Fullspeed to discuss the differences in a opinion on a thread started by Nasheed. Due to technical difficulties this did not happen. Brother Fullspeed suggested a phone dialogue which was excepted by Nasheed.

Bro. Tfreedom came to the mic and gave a brief overview of an organization he is involved with called The Black Business Builders Club.The Brothers copied the website and will discuss it at a later date.


With all business concluded Bro Nasheed gave the Ancestors Invocation and the meeting ended at 2105.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 22, 2009 from 7-9PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat:

Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
Saglifesaw
Tfreedom
Fullspeed
Warrior(thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Tariq gave the Prayer Of Empowerment around 1915. Due to Bro Clyde's absence and Bro Nasheed computer issues the minutes were kept by both Bro. Elder Ba'khyr and Bro. Nasheed. Bro Hodee suggested that we use Audio Minutes to insure that we have an accurate account of the meeting in case we face this problem again. This issue was tabled until All The Core Members are present.

Bro. Tariq informed the Bros present that Bro Clyde was absent due to a Family Emergency. A Prayer was sent out to Bro Clyde and his Family for the situation that they are encountering.

The minutes were read by Bro. Tariq and a balance of The Family Emergency Financial Fund(FEFF) which was accepted by the Brotherhood.

Bro. Elder Ba'khyr came to the mic and presented an idea of merging The FEFF with the Believers In Action Group which is a Non Profit(Tax Exempt) Organazation.(President Elder Ba'khyr and Vice President Tariq Muhammad). Bro Elder also gave a brief overview of his organization and it's mission plan. This subject was tabled for next meeting. Bro Elder also presented Food For Thought on establishing a counseling session by the Elders(40&up).

Bro. Tariq came to the mic and officially welcomed Bro's Tfreedom and Fullspeed. A brief but detailed overview/mission statement of Brothers chat was explained as well as the #1 Rule of Destee.Com. Brother Tariq also explained the the Benefits of Premium Membership and its importance to Destee.Com. Suggestion on the coffee cups, tee shirts, and the next news letter were discussed as well. (Tabled until next meeting)

The last 30 Min's were set aside for Bro Nasheed and Bro Fullspeed to discuss the differences in a opinion on a thread started by Nasheed. Due to technical difficulties this did not happen. Brother Fullspeed suggested a phone dialogue which was excepted by Nasheed.

Bro. Tfreedom came to the mic and gave a brief overview of an organization he is involved with called The Black Business Builders Club.The Brothers copied the website and will discuss it at a later date.


With all business concluded Bro Nasheed gave the Ancestors Invocation and the meeting ended at 2105.




Brothers, one monkey don't stop no show:)...This is beautiful and thanks for all the sincere prayers and support, truly means a lot.

I must say, after being temporarily outside of the Brotherhood and looking back inside, Brother's Chat is the place to be, for real, see you next Tuesday...Peace In

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 22, 2009 from 7-9PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat:

Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
Saglifesaw
Tfreedom
Fullspeed
Warrior(thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Tariq gave the Prayer Of Empowerment around 1915. Due to Bro Clyde's absence and Bro Nasheed computer issues the minutes were kept by both Bro. Elder Ba'khyr and Bro. Nasheed. Bro Hodee suggested that we use Audio Minutes to insure that we have an accurate account of the meeting in case we face this problem again. This issue was tabled until All The Core Members are present.

Bro. Tariq informed the Bros present that Bro Clyde was absent due to a Family Emergency. A Prayer was sent out to Bro Clyde and his Family for the situation that they are encountering.

The minutes were read by Bro. Tariq and a balance of The Family Emergency Financial Fund(FEFF) which was accepted by the Brotherhood.

Bro. Elder Ba'khyr came to the mic and presented an idea of merging The FEFF with the Believers In Action Group which is a Non Profit(Tax Exempt) Organazation.(President Elder Ba'khyr and Vice President Tariq Muhammad). Bro Elder also gave a brief overview of his organization and it's mission plan. This subject was tabled for next meeting. Bro Elder also presented Food For Thought on establishing a counseling session by the Elders(40&up).

Bro. Tariq came to the mic and officially welcomed Bro's Tfreedom and Fullspeed. A brief but detailed overview/mission statement of Brothers chat was explained as well as the #1 Rule of Destee.Com. Brother Tariq also explained the the Benefits of Premium Membership and its importance to Destee.Com. Suggestion on the coffee cups, tee shirts, and the next news letter were discussed as well. (Tabled until next meeting)

The last 30 Min's were set aside for Bro Nasheed and Bro Fullspeed to discuss the differences in a opinion on a thread started by Nasheed. Due to technical difficulties this did not happen. Brother Fullspeed suggested a phone dialogue which was excepted by Nasheed.

Bro. Tfreedom came to the mic and gave a brief overview of an organization he is involved with called The Black Business Builders Club.The Brothers copied the website and will discuss it at a later date.


With all business concluded Bro Nasheed gave the Ancestors Invocation and the meeting ended at 2105.

GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS......

ON THE GENERAL ISSUES , I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF EVERYTHING DISCUSSED......

A PRAYER FOR BRO. CLYDE & HIS FAMILY ON GAINING SUCCESS DURING THEIR TROUBLESOME TIME....

I EXTEND POUNDS AND A BROTHER'S HUG FOR BROS. TFREEDOM & FULLSPEED....

AN AMEN FOR THE ANCESTOR'S INVOCATION.....



WARRIOR

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 22, 2009 from 7-9PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat:

Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
Saglifesaw
Tfreedom
Fullspeed
Warrior(thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Tariq gave the Prayer Of Empowerment around 1915. Due to Bro Clyde's absence and Bro Nasheed computer issues the minutes were kept by both Bro. Elder Ba'khyr and Bro. Nasheed. Bro Hodee suggested that we use Audio Minutes to insure that we have an accurate account of the meeting in case we face this problem again. This issue was tabled until All The Core Members are present.

Bro. Tariq informed the Bros present that Bro Clyde was absent due to a Family Emergency. A Prayer was sent out to Bro Clyde and his Family for the situation that they are encountering.

The minutes were read by Bro. Tariq and a balance of The Family Emergency Financial Fund(FEFF) which was accepted by the Brotherhood.

Bro. Elder Ba'khyr came to the mic and presented an idea of merging The FEFF with the Believers In Action Group which is a Non Profit(Tax Exempt) Organazation.(President Elder Ba'khyr and Vice President Tariq Muhammad). Bro Elder also gave a brief overview of his organization and it's mission plan. This subject was tabled for next meeting. Bro Elder also presented Food For Thought on establishing a counseling session by the Elders(40&up).

Bro. Tariq came to the mic and officially welcomed Bro's Tfreedom and Fullspeed. A brief but detailed overview/mission statement of Brothers chat was explained as well as the #1 Rule of Destee.Com. Brother Tariq also explained the the Benefits of Premium Membership and its importance to Destee.Com. Suggestion on the coffee cups, tee shirts, and the next news letter were discussed as well. (Tabled until next meeting)

The last 30 Min's were set aside for Bro Nasheed and Bro Fullspeed to discuss the differences in a opinion on a thread started by Nasheed. Due to technical difficulties this did not happen. Brother Fullspeed suggested a phone dialogue which was excepted by Nasheed.

Bro. Tfreedom came to the mic and gave a brief overview of an organization he is involved with called The Black Business Builders Club.The Brothers copied the website and will discuss it at a later date.


With all business concluded Bro Nasheed gave the Ancestors Invocation and the meeting ended at 2105.




Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 29, 2009 from 7-9PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
saglifesaw
tfreedom
KWABENA
playerace
WLFC
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(provided thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother HODEE gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes and they were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bros. Tariq and Clyde.

Brother Tariq proudly announced that Bro. Elder Bakhyr is now an excited Premium Member, and all the bros. gave praise. The brotherhood got into deep discussion, which concerns whether or not we pursue non-profit 501 c3 status, as it relates to the FEFF.

Discussion: Bro. Elder presented update on the Believers in Action group to the extent that neither He nor Tariq were members any longer, but assured us the group was still in tact, if we decided to be sponsored. Bro. lilpea was first to questioned the concept and much dialogue continued on the issue. In conclusion, we have not yet decided to be sponsored or become 501c3 qualified. Under consideration is the possibility that Elder's new organization, The Tribe of Levi Benefit Social Club and Services(St. Louis, MO), of which he is the creator, isn't a 501c3, but is a non-profit that we could work with in fund raising for the FEFF. Since Bro. Elder is a core member of Brothers Chat, any funds raised through his outside organization could be donated directly to the FEFF, by him. Tariq also asked HODEE and BAKHYR to check on the legality of us setting up a 501c3 in St. Louis or Mobile, Ala., and bring their findings back to the Brotherhood.

Bro. HODEE recommended we consider giving away Turkeys, this Holiday Season, in order to provide wider exposure, thus benefiting Brothers Chat, Destee.com and the FEFF. The idea is pending.

New Business: Bro. Tariq spoke on the necessity of generating life back into Poetry and Karaoke, and assured us that the T-Shirts are on the way from a new vendor, as well as coffee cups, mugs, etc... It is intended to seek Miss Lady as a possible facilator for Friday Night Poetry Throwdown, replacing Bro. Smoothsoul. Getting Karaoke back on track is simply a matter of scheduling.

The meeting ended on time with Bro. Ba'khyr giving the Ancestors Invocation; thereafter, Bro. lilpea provided some good mellow Jazz until the bros. departed.

Thankz for all the continue updates as i make stride back from a layoff and journey

Thankz for all the continue updates as i make stride back from a layoff and journey




Yes Sir, glad to have you back.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 29, 2009 from 7-9PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
saglifesaw
tfreedom
KWABENA
playerace
WLFC
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(provided thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother HODEE gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes and they were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bros. Tariq and Clyde.

Brother Tariq proudly announced that Bro. Elder Bakhyr is now an excited Premium Member, and all the bros. gave praise. The brotherhood got into deep discussion, which concerns whether or not we pursue non-profit 501 c3 status, as it relates to the FEFF.

Discussion: Bro. Elder presented update on the Believers in Action group to the extent that neither He nor Tariq were members any longer, but assured us the group was still in tact, if we decided to be sponsored. Bro. lilpea was first to questioned the concept and much dialogue continued on the issue. In conclusion, we have not yet decided to be sponsored or become 501c3 qualified. Under consideration is the possibility that Elder's new organization, The Tribe of Levi Benefit Social Club and Services(St. Louis, MO), of which he is the creator, isn't a 501c3, but is a non-profit that we could work with in fund raising for the FEFF. Since Bro. Elder is a core member of Brothers Chat, any funds raised through his outside organization could be donated directly to the FEFF, by him. Tariq also asked HODEE and BAKHYR to check on the legality of us setting up a 501c3 in St. Louis or Mobile, Ala., and bring their findings back to the Brotherhood.

Bro. HODEE recommended we consider giving away Turkeys, this Holiday Season, in order to provide wider exposure, thus benefiting Brothers Chat, Destee.com and the FEFF. The idea is pending.

New Business: Bro. Tariq spoke on the necessity of generating life back into Poetry and Karaoke, and assured us that the T-Shirts are on the way from a new vendor, as well as coffee cups, mugs, etc... It is intended to seek Miss Lady as a possible facilator for Friday Night Poetry Throwdown, replacing Bro. Smoothsoul. Getting Karaoke back on track is simply a matter of scheduling.

The meeting ended on time with Bro. Ba'khyr giving the Ancestors Invocation; thereafter, Bro. lilpea provided some good mellow Jazz until the bros. departed.




GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS.....

ON THE GENERAL ISSUES..........A POUND AND A CONGRADS GOES OUT TO BRO. ELDER BAHKYR FOR ACQUIRING PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP......

ON THE DISCUSSION........THE BELIVER'S IN ACTION , I REQUEST INFORMATION ON IT'S FOUNDATION , GOALS , ALSO WHERE & HOW TO DONATE....

RESPECT GOES OUT TO BRO. ELDER BAHKYR ON HIS ORGANIZATION : The Tribe of Levi Benefit Social Club and Services......

ON THE NEW ISSUES........I STAND IN FULL SCKNOWLEDGEMENT.....

I ALSO STAND IN AGREEMENT OF HANDING OUT TURKEYS......

AN AMEN FOR THE ANCESTOR'S INVOCATION....


WARRIOR

Thankz as i agree here.......

Thankz as i agree here.......


IT'S REAL GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN BRO. RICH.....

GET WITH ME ON THE MESSAGE I LEFT ON YOUR PROFILE PAGE......IF YOU ARE STILL INTERESTED.....

AGAIN......IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU....


WARRIOR

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday September 29, 2009 from 7-9PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
saglifesaw
tfreedom
KWABENA
playerace
WLFC
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(provided thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother HODEE gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes and they were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was stated to the brotherhood by Bros. Tariq and Clyde.

Brother Tariq proudly announced that Bro. Elder Bakhyr is now an excited Premium Member, and all the bros. gave praise. The brotherhood got into deep discussion, which concerns whether or not we pursue non-profit 501 c3 status, as it relates to the FEFF.

Discussion: Bro. Elder presented update on the Believers in Action group to the extent that neither He nor Tariq were members any longer, but assured us the group was still in tact, if we decided to be sponsored. Bro. lilpea was first to questioned the concept and much dialogue continued on the issue. In conclusion, we have not yet decided to be sponsored or become 501c3 qualified. Under consideration is the possibility that Elder's new organization, The Tribe of Levi Benefit Social Club and Services(St. Louis, MO), of which he is the creator, isn't a 501c3, but is a non-profit that we could work with in fund raising for the FEFF. Since Bro. Elder is a core member of Brothers Chat, any funds raised through his outside organization could be donated directly to the FEFF, by him. Tariq also asked HODEE and BAKHYR to check on the legality of us setting up a 501c3 in St. Louis or Mobile, Ala., and bring their findings back to the Brotherhood.

Bro. HODEE recommended we consider giving away Turkeys, this Holiday Season, in order to provide wider exposure, thus benefiting Brothers Chat, Destee.com and the FEFF. The idea is pending.

New Business: Bro. Tariq spoke on the necessity of generating life back into Poetry and Karaoke, and assured us that the T-Shirts are on the way from a new vendor, as well as coffee cups, mugs, etc... It is intended to seek Miss Lady as a possible facilator for Friday Night Poetry Throwdown, replacing Bro. Smoothsoul. Getting Karaoke back on track is simply a matter of scheduling.

The meeting ended on time with Bro. Ba'khyr giving the Ancestors Invocation; thereafter, Bro. lilpea provided some good mellow Jazz until the bros. departed.







Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday Otober 06, 2009 from 7-10:35PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Destee (Special Guest)
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee (toward the end)
saglifesaw
Afru Shukuwr
ru2religious
marcus j
Keitha Kenyatta
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(provided thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Nasheed gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Clyde, during the course of the meeting.

Bro. Tariq began the meeting with the annoucement of Elder's Ba'khyr's class, which starts Saturday, and Bro. Keita's class to follow. After some discussion on the notification by our Special Guest, Sister Destee, to Brothers Chat; shortly thereafter, Destee arrived to a warm welcome.

Without hesitation, Sister Destee, gave the Brothers much praise for their many efforts and laid the foundation in her final decision to dismantle the FEFF, on the basis that the promises being made are promises that she could not keep. Sister Destee ended around 8:27 PM, after providing steps for us to consider in the dismantling process.


Discussion: Bro. lilpea came to the mic and started a dialogue, which involved all the Brothers and concluded with the desire to ask Sister Destee several pointed questions. Sister Destee returned to the meeting and answered all of our concerns.

After much discussion, between Destee and all of the Brothers, Sister Destee decided to give more time in consideration of a proposal that would see the close of the FEFF on December 31, 2009.

Realizing that we were running over, Bro. Elder suggested we close for now (9:11 PM) with the Ancestors Invocation and resume until finished, and Bro. Nasheed gave the Invocation.

Our meeting finally closed around 10:35 PM with the understanding that Sister Destee is leaning toward acceptance of the proposed understanding that was put on the table, and would let us know her final decision rather quickly. Bro. Tariq advised the brotherhood that we would immediately begin communication on the issues, in extra-ordinary fashion, and properly closed the meeting.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday Otober 06, 2009 from 7-10:35PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Destee (Special Guest)
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee (toward the end)
saglifesaw
Afru Shukuwr
ru2religious
marcus j
Keitha Kenyatta
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(provided thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Nasheed gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Clyde, during the course of the meeting.

Bro. Tariq began the meeting with the annoucement of Elder's Ba'khyr's class, which starts Saturday, and Bro. Keita's class to follow. After some discussion on the notification by our Special Guest, Sister Destee, to Brothers Chat; shortly thereafter, Destee arrived to a warm welcome.

Without hesitation, Sister Destee, gave the Brothers much praise for their many efforts and laid the foundation in her final decision to dismantle the FEFF, on the basis that the promises being made are promises that she could not keep. Sister Destee ended around 8:27 PM, after providing steps for us to consider in the dismantling process.


Discussion: Bro. lilpea came to the mic and started a dialogue, which involved all the Brothers and concluded with the desire to ask Sister Destee several pointed questions. Sister Destee returned to the meeting and answered all of our concerns.

After much discussion, between Destee and all of the Brothers, Sister Destee decided to give more time in consideration of a proposal that would see the close of the FEFF on December 31, 2009.

Realizing that we were running over, Bro. Elder suggested we close for now (9:11 PM) with the Ancestors Invocation and resume until finished, and Bro. Nasheed gave the Invocation.

Our meeting finally closed around 10:35 PM with the understanding that Sister Destee is leaning toward acceptance of the proposed understanding that was put on the table, and would let us know her final decision rather quickly. Bro. Tariq advised the brotherhood that we would immediately begin communication on the issues, in extra-ordinary fashion, and properly closed the meeting.




Thank You Brothers for letting me join you! :love:

As I said last night, being here for all the years, the "firsts" I get to experience as it relates to the community, are few and far between. Last night I had a most wonderful "first" and I thank you all for lending yourselves to it, being here, moving us to new places, providing totally different and unique experiences.

It is such a blessing to see Black Men working together, in the manner that you are. It goes against everything the media says about us. It proves how blessed we are in this community, and I am honored!

Thank You Thank You Thank You! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:heart:

Destee

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday Otober 06, 2009 from 7-10:35PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Destee (Special Guest)
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee (toward the end)
saglifesaw
Afru Shukuwr
ru2religious
marcus j
Keitha Kenyatta
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(provided thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Nasheed gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Clyde, during the course of the meeting.

Bro. Tariq began the meeting with the annoucement of Elder's Ba'khyr's class, which starts Saturday, and Bro. Keita's class to follow. After some discussion on the notification by our Special Guest, Sister Destee, to Brothers Chat; shortly thereafter, Destee arrived to a warm welcome.

Without hesitation, Sister Destee, gave the Brothers much praise for their many efforts and laid the foundation in her final decision to dismantle the FEFF, on the basis that the promises being made are promises that she could not keep. Sister Destee ended around 8:27 PM, after providing steps for us to consider in the dismantling process.


Discussion: Bro. lilpea came to the mic and started a dialogue, which involved all the Brothers and concluded with the desire to ask Sister Destee several pointed questions. Sister Destee returned to the meeting and answered all of our concerns.

After much discussion, between Destee and all of the Brothers, Sister Destee decided to give more time in consideration of a proposal that would see the close of the FEFF on December 31, 2009.

Realizing that we were running over, Bro. Elder suggested we close for now (9:11 PM) with the Ancestors Invocation and resume until finished, and Bro. Nasheed gave the Invocation.

Our meeting finally closed around 10:35 PM with the understanding that Sister Destee is leaning toward acceptance of the proposed understanding that was put on the table, and would let us know her final decision rather quickly. Bro. Tariq advised the brotherhood that we would immediately begin communication on the issues, in extra-ordinary fashion, and properly closed the meeting.




GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS AND A SPECIAL WELCOME TO SIS. DESTEE.....

CONSIDERING THAT I AM LEARNING THE ABSOLUTE DETAILS OF SIS. DESTEE'S REQUEST TO DISMANTLE THE FEFF.....I WILL SAY THAT I AM GRATEFUL THAT AN EXTENSION WAS GRANTED TO KEEP THE FEFF ALIVE...

THOUGH I AM FULL OF GRATITUDE FOR MY INPUT BEING CONSIDERED FOR BROTHER'S CHAT.......I WOULD LIKE TO LET THE BROTHERS KNOW THAT AMONG MY MANY TASKS.....I AM TRYING MY VERY BEST TO WORK ON A CONNECTION ISSUE SO THAT I CAN ATTEND BROTHERS CHAT ON TUESDAYS WHILE I AM AT WORK....

WE HAVE SPRINT TOWERS ON OUR ROOFTOP AND I AM SIGNED UP WITH AT&T.....I WILL NOT GIVE UP.....AND I WILL EAGERLY ACCEPT ALL SUGGESTIONS....

AN AMEN FOR THE ANCESTOR'S INVOCATION.....


WARRIOR

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday October 06, 2009 from 7-10:35PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Destee (Special Guest)
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee (toward the end)
saglifesaw
Afru Shukuwr
ru2religious
marcus j
Keitha Kenyatta
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(provided thread input)


General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Nasheed gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Clyde, during the course of the meeting.

Bro. Tariq began the meeting with the annoucement of Elder's Ba'khyr's class, which starts Saturday, and Bro. Keita's class to follow. After some discussion on the notification by our Special Guest, Sister Destee, to Brothers Chat; shortly thereafter, Destee arrived to a warm welcome.

Without hesitation, Sister Destee, gave the Brothers much praise for their many efforts and laid the foundation in her final decision to dismantle the FEFF, on the basis that the promises being made are promises that she could not keep. Sister Destee ended around 8:27 PM, after providing steps for us to consider in the dismantling process.

Discussion: Bro. lilpea came to the mic and started a dialogue, which involved all the Brothers and concluded with the desire to ask Sister Destee several pointed questions. Sister Destee returned to the meeting and answered all of our concerns.

After much discussion, between Destee and all of the Brothers, Sister Destee decided to give more time in consideration of a proposal that would see the close of the FEFF on December 31, 2009.

Realizing that we were running over, Bro. Elder suggested we close for now (9:11 PM) with the Ancestors Invocation and resume until finished, and Bro. Nasheed gave the Invocation.

Our meeting finally closed around 10:35 PM with the understanding that Sister Destee is leaning toward acceptance of the proposed understanding that was put on the table, and would let us know her final decision rather quickly. Bro. Tariq advised the brotherhood that we would immediately begin communication on the issues, in extra-ordinary fashion, and properly closed the meeting.








Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday Otober 13, 2009 from 7-9:11PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Kemetstry
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
Afru Shukuwr
ru2religious
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(by telephone and thread input)
KWABENA

General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Nasheed gave the Prayer Of Empowerment and read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Tariq. Bros. lilpea and Elder Ba'khyr were the most recent donators.

Bro. Tariq began the meeting by explaining that bro. saglifesaw was having modem problems and would not be in attendance. Tariq addressed the issue of PalTalk by stating that we were already set-up.

Discussion: Bro. Elder came to the mic suggesting that the brotherhood consider making bro. info-moetry a Premium Member for his service of issuing mic's to the family. The number of mics sent were 3 plus shipping costs, which would generate 3 mos. of Premium. Elder Ba'khyr tied the suggestion in with current drive for Premium Membership, kicked off with a thread by bro. lilpea, as a way to solidify brothers of Brothers Chat. After much back and forth dialogue, Tariq asked for a vote and it passed unamiously.

The next order of business discussed vigorously concerned the proposal placed on the table in last weeks meeting. A specified amount toward site maintenance and site survival was agreed upon and passed unamiously, as well. The brotherhood's core element, that was present, including Bro. WARRIOR by phone, took the mic and shared in full participation.

Our meeting closed on time around 9:11 PM with the Ancestors Invocation given by Bro. Nasheed; afterwards we enjoyed good music and fellowship and departed in high spirits, fully motivated.

Great that everything is on track and moving forward , thanks for the updates

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday Otober 13, 2009 from 7-9:11PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Kemetstry
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
Afru Shukuwr
ru2religious
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(by telephone and thread input)
KWABENA

General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Nasheed gave the Prayer Of Empowerment and read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Tariq. Bros. lilpea and Elder Ba'khyr were the most recent donators.

Bro. Tariq began the meeting by explaining that bro. saglifesaw was having modem problems and would not be in attendance. Tariq addressed the issue of PalTalk by stating that we were already set-up.

Discussion: Bro. Elder came to the mic suggesting that the brotherhood consider making bro. info-moetry a Premium Member for his service of issuing mic's to the family. The number of mics sent were 3 plus shipping costs, which would generate 3 mos. of Premium. Elder Ba'khyr tied the suggestion in with current drive for Premium Membership, kicked off with a thread by bro. lilpea, as a way to solidify brothers of Brothers Chat. After much back and forth dialogue, Tariq asked for a vote and it passed unamiously.

The next order of business discussed vigorously concerned the proposal placed on the table in last weeks meeting. A specified amount toward site maintenance and site survival was agreed upon and passed unamiously, as well. The brotherhood's core element, that was present, including Bro. WARRIOR by phone, took the mic and shared in full participation.

Our meeting closed on time around 9:11 PM with the Ancestors Invocation given by Bro. Nasheed; afterwards we enjoyed good music and fellowship and departed in high spirits, fully motivated.





GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS...

I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE GENERAL ISSUES....

I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ON THE DISCUSSION....

AS FOR THE PROPOSAL.....CONSIDERING THAT FULL PARTICIPATION IS BEING EXERCISED TOWARDS PROMOTING THE FEFF AND BUILDING IT CONSISTENTLY , MY PROPOSAL OF A MONTHLY OR BI-MONTHLY PERCENTAGE OF THE FEFF TO BE GRANTED TOWARDS SITE MAINTENANCE.........WHICH I MENTIONED IN THE LAST BROS. CHAT MEETING.......

AN AMEN FOR THE ANCESTOR'S INVOCATION......


WARRIOR

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday Otober 13, 2009 from 7-9:11PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Kemetstry
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
Afru Shukuwr
ru2religious
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(by telephone and thread input)
KWABENA

General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother Nasheed gave the Prayer Of Empowerment and read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Tariq. Bros. lilpea and Elder Ba'khyr were the most recent donators.

Bro. Tariq began the meeting by explaining that bro. saglifesaw was having modem problems and would not be in attendance. Tariq addressed the issue of PalTalk by stating that we were already set-up.

Discussion: Bro. Elder came to the mic suggesting that the brotherhood consider making bro. info-moetry a Premium Member for his service of issuing mic's to the family. The number of mics sent were 3 plus shipping costs, which would generate 3 mos. of Premium. Elder Ba'khyr tied the suggestion in with current drive for Premium Membership, kicked off with a thread by bro. lilpea, as a way to solidify brothers of Brothers Chat. After much back and forth dialogue, Tariq asked for a vote and it passed unamiously.

The next order of business discussed vigorously concerned the proposal placed on the table in last weeks meeting. A specified amount toward site maintenance and site survival was agreed upon and passed unamiously, as well. The brotherhood's core element, that was present, including Bro. WARRIOR by phone, took the mic and shared in full participation.

Our meeting closed on time around 9:11 PM with the Ancestors Invocation given by Bro. Nasheed; afterwards we enjoyed good music and fellowship and departed in high spirits, fully motivated.








Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday Otober 20, 2009 from 7-9:40PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Linda Chavis(Special Guest)
info-moetry
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
saglifesaw
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(by thread input)
KWABENA
Keita

General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother HODEE gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Tariq.

Bro. Nasheed explained to the brotherhood that he had invited Sister Linda to speak on FEFF issues. Bro. Nasheed asked Bro. Clyde to explain the recent disbursement of the FEFF, and Bro. Clyde explained the dual nature of the disbursement.

Discussion: Bro. Tariq came to the mic and put on the table, the name change of the FEFF to Brothers/Sisters Chat Share Holders. Thereafter, the remainder of the meeting consisted of back and forth dialogue involving all in attendance. The final outcome was a vote lead by Bro. Tariq, which resulted in the name change of the FEFF.

The Ancestors Invocation was given by Bro. Tariq around 9:11 PM, and the meeting continued and concluded at 9:40 PM.

Recap of Bros. Chat Meeting Tuesday Otober 20, 2009 from 7-9:40PM Central

In attendance for Bros. Chat(BC):

Linda Chavis(Special Guest)
info-moetry
Elder Ba'khyr
Nasheed
Tariq Muhammad
Hodee
saglifesaw
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.
lilpea
Warrior(by thread input)
KWABENA
Keita

General Issues: The meeting opened on time and Brother HODEE gave the Prayer Of Empowerment. Bro. Nasheed read the minutes, which were accepted as read. The FEFF current balance was given by Bro. Tariq.

Bro. Nasheed explained to the brotherhood that he had invited Sister Linda to speak on FEFF issues. Bro. Nasheed asked Bro. Clyde to explain the recent disbursement of the FEFF, and Bro. Clyde explained the dual nature of the disbursement.

Discussion: Bro. Tariq came to the mic and put on the table, the name change of the FEFF to Brothers/Sisters Chat Share Holders. Thereafter, the remainder of the meeting consisted of back and forth dialogue involving all in attendance. The final outcome was a vote lead by Bro. Tariq, which resulted in the name change of the FEFF.

The Ancestors Invocation was given by Bro. Tariq around 9:11 PM, and the meeting continued and concluded at 9:40 PM.






GREETINGS TO THE BROTHERS....

I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE GENERAL ISSUES....

AS FOR THE DISCUSSION......I HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY....

#1.....I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE FEFF BEING GIVEN ANY NEW NAME....IT ALREADY HAS A NAME , A PURPOSE , AND A LIFE.......

FROM WHAT I JUST READ IN THE MINUTES.....IT LOOKS LIKE THE NAME CHANGE HAS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON AND IMPLEMENTED....AND IF THAT IS THE CASE , I WOULD LIKE TO BE INFORMED ON WHO CAST MY VOTE AND WHY IN THE HELL THIS WAS A DONE DEAL BEFORE I WAS EVEN NOTIFIED OF ITS EXISTENCE....

THIS INCONSIDERATE , IRRESPONSIBLE , AND DECEPTION-FILLED ACT SHOULD WARRANT AN IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF LEADERSHIP IN BROTHERS CHAT.......WHY ??.....BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST , NOT THE SECOND , AND NOT EVEN THE THIRD D**N TIME OUR LEADERSHIP HAS PRACTICED MALICIOUS AND DECEPTIVE MANUVERS.....FOR PERSONAL GAIN.....

I SAID A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO.....THAT DECEPTION WOULD NOT PREVIAL HERE...AND I MEANT THAT.....

ALSO.....FOR INSURANCE , I WELCOME ANY & ALL CHALLENGERS....

#2.....THE FEFF IS A NON-PROFIT FUND.....NOT A CUSTOMER-FRIENDLY BANK!!!!.....TREATING IT AS SUCH ONLY REVEALS THAT MISREPRESENTATION WAS THE TRUE FACE OF THE FEFF ALL ALONG....INSTEAD OF....CONSIDERATION...

TURNING A NON-PROFIT FUND INTO A SHAREHOLDER'S PLAYPEN....DOES A NUMBER OF NEGATIVE THINGS..

a)...IT ERASES THE CONCEPT OF NON-PROFIT
b)...IT ALLOWS THE REMOVAL OF FUNDS BEFORE THEY CAN MATURE
c)...IT INDIRECTLY GIVES FOUNDATION TO MY IDEA....A CREDIT UNION....UNDER EXTREMELY FALSE PRETENSIS...
d)...IT SHATTERS BRO. HODEE'S PROPOSAL , FOR NO LIFE-LONG PERCENTAGES CAN BE DISBURSED FOR SITE MAINTENANCE , FAMILY EMERGENCIES , ADMINISTRATOR FEE'S....ETC.
e)...IT CANNOT & WILL NOT GROW..

HAD YOU BEEN PATIENT , BROTHER.....THIS HUSTLE YOU ARE TRYING TO RUN WOULD HAVE WORKED....HAD YOU BEEN PATIENT....

NOW...I'M GONNA SHOW YOU HOW YOU SCREWED IT UP...

YOUR 1ST SCREW-UP......WAS TRYING TO COMBINE ANOTHER NON-PROFIT FUND ALONG SIDE THE FEFF.....WHICH WAS DOING FINE ON ITS OWN....

YOUR 2ND SCREW-UP......WAS GOING AGAINST ASSISTING THE EMERGENCY SIS. DESTEE WAS UNDER....AND ACCUSING HER OF BEING A CROOK...

YOUR 3RD SCREW-UP.......WAS TRYING TO CONTROL THE REMAINING FUNDS OF THE FEFF , TRYING TO CONTROL THE BROTHERS , AND TRYING TO CONTROL THE OUTCOME......

YOUR 4TH SCREW-UP......WAS FORGETTING , REFUSING , OR IGNORING TO SHARE YOUR VIEWS WITH THE BROTHERS AS A WHOLE , INSTEAD OF PICKING AND CHOOSING TO MANIPULATE SINGLED-OUT BROTHERS INTO VOTING YOUR WAY.....WHICH ONLY PROVES YOU WERE ON A HIDDEN AGENDA....

THESE ARE NOT QUALITIES OF SOMEONE WHO HAS THE BEST INTEREST OF A GROUP IN HAND...

YOU WERE CONVINCED DESTEE WAS OUT TO ROB THE FEFF....
YOU WERE CONVINCED SHE WAS LYING...
YOU WERE CONVINCED SHE HAD A PLAN TO BE RID OF THE FEFF..

IF DESTEE WAS ROBBING THE FEFF.....IF SHE WAS LYING ABOUT HER SITUATION...ISN'T UP TO YOUR GOD & MINE AND EVERYONE ELSES TO DEAL WITH HER ??

DIDN'T WE VOTE ON HELPING HER ?
DIDN'T WE RAISE THIS MONEY TO DO WHAT IT DID ??


#3....MAAAN....DECEPTION IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD....THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID TO ME THE DAY AFTER DESTEE ANNOUNCED IN BROTHERS CHAT THAT SHE WAS DISMANTLING THE FEFF BECAUSE SHE COULDNT AFFORD TO UPHOLD PROMISES OF ITS NATURE.....NOR COULD SHE RELY ON STABILITY AFTER WATCHING SO MANY COME AND GO......

AND YOU CALL THIS A SCHEME...

AFTER OPENLY ADMITTING THAT YOU YOURSELF PRACTICE DECEPTION , AND AFTER YOU TRIED TO GET ME TO GO ALONG , YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE YOU WHEN YOU CALL DESTEE A CROOK ???

BROTHER....COUNT ME OUT OF ANYTHING YOU ARE TRYING TO DO...THAT CONCERNS MONEY.....

COUNT ME OUT OF BROTHERS CHAT , AS LONG AS YOU HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER FUNDS FROM THE BROTHERS...

AS FOR THE FUNDS I DONATED TO THE FEFF...WHICH IS $145.00........MY " SHARE " AS YOU ARE CALLING IT NOW.....BASED ON THE AMOUNT THAT THE FEFF HAS IN IT NOW.....THE PERCENTAGE OF MY DONATIONS IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS $40.50.......AND IN CASE BRO. LILPEA WANTS HIS " SHARE " BACK.....HIS WOULD BE $60.50........AND BRO. CLYDE'S WOULD BE $12.50......

I MENTIONED BROS. LILPEA AND CLYDE BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED THE THREE OF US ARE THE ONLY ONES IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE FEFF ALIVE AND HELPING SIS. DESTEE IN THE PROCESS.....

AND NOW YOU ARE TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS YOU....

I EXPECT MY "SHARE" AS SOON AS POSSIBLE....

THE SAD PART IS YOUR IDEA OF SHAREHOLDING IS A GOOD ONE....BUT NOT ON THE STRENGTH OF THE FEFF.....YOUR SHAREHOLDING IDEA SHOULD START FROM THE GROUND UP......THAT WAY , DECEPTION CAN BE SEEN COMING , INSTEAD OF BEING PLANTED FOR SELFISH PURPOSES.....

TO THE BROTHERS OF BROTHERS CHAT :

I DO DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OVER THE PAST 6 MONTHS....I APPRECIATE BEING A MEMBER OF BROTHERS CHAT , AND I APPRECIATE MY INPUT BEING CONSIDERED EVERY WEEK.....

BUT I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH NOW.....CORRUPTION , DECEPTION , AND SELFISHNESS ARE ALIVE AND WELL IN BROTHERS CHAT......AND SINCE LEADERSHIP HERE HAS BEEN POISONED IN MY OPINION....THERE'S NO WAY I CAN FOLLOW THE PATH BROTHERS CHAT HAS TAKEN.....

PLEASE KNOW THAT I AM STILL AVAILABLE FOR COMPUTER HELP , I STILL HAVE 1 MICROPHONE AND 1 WEBCAM AVAILABLE FOR DONATION...


WARRIOR

:geek:

Brothers Chat and the FEFF are participated in, and sponsored, and supported by interested Brothers. Doing more than just discuss change. In our growth we have many things in mind and of interest. One of these things is having a place we enjoy, like the Chat Room here on Destee we meet in. We have done what was needed to support that effort and have the sites benefit in heart, and mind at all times.


As we meet each week. Concepts and ideas are talked about and discussed. That varies greatly in range.

Many ideas are tossed out for discussion and consideration. Some are voted on within the current meetings.

Along the way, I myself have voted for different ideas presented. Not whole-heartedly believed it was absolutely the best or refined approach. My votes within the Brothers Chat and in these meeting are if the majority votes on something. Regardless of my reservations.

Even in my absence I have given my Trust to the Brothers to make my absentee vote a yes.

I will vote with the majority. Only doing so, because it is possible while I may not see the benefit or reason at that particular time.

I do trust that those totally in favor of anything they choose to vote on. I feel what ever these Brothers decide to vote on still has our best intent and benefit in mind. I give my vote and Step out on that faith.

ANYTHING voted or discussed in brothers Chat is subject to being reopened for further discussion. This is my understanding of the Brotherhood.

Everything in the Brothers Chat, placed out in conversation or discussion is worthy and actually up for publication or a vote.

We are simply brainstorming and have an open dialog that facilitates such behavior of open expression.

Brother WARRIOR in your absence, we do take into consideration your opinion. That is why Brother Tariq, called you Tuesday October 20, 2009. You came in the vote to support the maintenance of the site pivoted greatly on your input.

It has been discussed that we take FEFF and our endeavors off site. It has been said that he FEFF will be and should be dismantled. That first was a shock when I heard it. But I immediately saw the concerns that were presented and many liabilities that could possibly arise.

I called for a disclaimer. A disclaimer that would clearly say…

“Destee personally is not responsible for activities conducted by the Brothers Chat or the FEFF or the Funds they gather in those meetings. Destee is not responsible for the activities and charter, once published by the Brothers of Chat and the FEFF. The activities of the Brothers within the FEFF Fund they created. And are solely and not affiliated in any way or business with the site and Destee.com

FEFF and the activities of the Brothers Chat are not connected in any way that would make Destee responsible for those funds or the activities.

Brothers Chat and the FEFF are based on TRUST, UNITY, COOPERATION, and BROTHERHOOD.” Etc... Etc…

===========

The rub

As we grow and affiliate. Decisions have to be made and voted on.
Current climate and it is not anyone members fault.

Rush voting has created this misunderstanding.

Patience has been stated but as majority voting starts and it has not in every cases been started by the facilitator.

Tariq has to take the reins and slow this down.. and we have to suport him.

I understand that no vote is IN CONCRETE.

Everything and anything should be allowed to be re-opened to re-discussed and voted on. We are chartering new water.. and

The Facilitator has us as sounding boards and voting members.

If we are not sounding off, or saying slow this down...and voicing properly.. the facilitator can't not be blamed.

Most and many of these ideas.. came from US not the facilitator! Not all of them, but most.

Because any topic can be reopened and discussed again and again until we get it refined and correct.

What has transpired related to dispersed finds can not be recanted.

But any future funding given out has to be discussed and discussed again in some great detail.

I have been called the peace maker.
I am calling for as many emergency meetings to be held by the Brothers
needed to first heal the misunderstood and riff that presents itself.

The Chat room is available at various times.
This weekend today, possible tonight after Poetry.

Brothers should have this meeting.
If it can be facilitated before that time.

All based on Brothers WARRIOR’s schedule, because he
has to be in the position to come on the mic, and into the chat room to dialog with us.

Brother Warrior. Please set a time this weekend if possible
where you can meet with us all and we discuss that misunderstanding.

Clearly there is one.

I am going to agree to one thing being removed from public view
and posted here on Destee and those are our minutes.

I will explain more at the meeting.

Thank You Brothers… I know we do great things and can do this.

We will come to finality or to terms either way.
I am positive it will be the latter… because Brothers Chat will live on.

=================
I want to discuss how we got to this point?

Was calling the Fund FEFF the issue... that made a disclaimer or something needed?

Does that wording place Destee into a position of liability?

Discuss the changes voted on and proposed about shares and donations?

Clearing this and discussing how many splits if any should take place... to eliminate what took place recently?

Donation... used for site maintenance and family support etc..
Shares... that only are decided to be used for projects that the
Brothers decide are more community based or something?

Donation bucket... Shares Bucket.. do we need them?

Coming to a vote and consensus on absentee votes?

Those present Majority Rule Voting?
What do you all want to do.. my vote as a absentee stands at Yes majority rule.

TRUST.. didn't we have it?

Etc... Etc...

The discussion is to heal and come as Brothers.

HODEE :geek:

well stated brother ............

:geek:

Brothers Chat and the FEFF are participated in, and sponsored, and supported by interested Brothers. Doing more than just discuss change. In our growth we have many things in mind and of interest. One of these things is having a place we enjoy, like the Chat Room here on Destee we meet in. We have done what was needed to support that effort and have the sites benefit in heart, and mind at all times.


As we meet each week. Concepts and ideas are talked about and discussed. That varies greatly in range.

Many ideas are tossed out for discussion and consideration. Some are voted on within the current meetings.

Along the way, I myself have voted for different ideas presented. Not whole-heartedly believed it was absolutely the best or refined approach. My votes within the Brothers Chat and in these meeting are if the majority votes on something. Regardless of my reservations.

Even in my absence I have given my Trust to the Brothers to make my absentee vote a yes.

I will vote with the majority. Only doing so, because it is possible while I may not see the benefit or reason at that particular time.

I do trust that those totally in favor of anything they choose to vote on. I feel what ever these Brothers decide to vote on still has our best intent and benefit in mind. I give my vote and Step out on that faith.

ANYTHING voted or discussed in brothers Chat is subject to being reopened for further discussion. This is my understanding of the Brotherhood.

Everything in the Brothers Chat, placed out in conversation or discussion is worthy and actually up for publication or a vote.

We are simply brainstorming and have an open dialog that facilitates such behavior of open expression.

Brother WARRIOR in your absence, we do take into consideration your opinion. That is why Brother Tariq, called you Tuesday October 20, 2009. You came in the vote to support the maintenance of the site pivoted greatly on your input.

It has been discussed that we take FEFF and our endeavors off site. It has been said that he FEFF will be and should be dismantled. That first was a shock when I heard it. But I immediately saw the concerns that were presented and many liabilities that could possibly arise.

I called for a disclaimer. A disclaimer that would clearly say…

“Destee personally is not responsible for activities conducted by the Brothers Chat or the FEFF or the Funds they gather in those meetings. Destee is not responsible for the activities and charter, once published by the Brothers of Chat and the FEFF. The activities of the Brothers within the FEFF Fund they created. And are solely and not affiliated in any way or business with the site and Destee.com

FEFF and the activities of the Brothers Chat are not connected in any way that would make Destee responsible for those funds or the activities.

Brothers Chat and the FEFF are based on TRUST, UNITY, COOPERATION, and BROTHERHOOD.” Etc... Etc…

===========

The rub

As we grow and affiliate. Decisions have to be made and voted on.
Current climate and it is not anyone members fault.

Rush voting has created this misunderstanding.

Patience has been stated but as majority voting starts and it has not in every cases been started by the facilitator.

Tariq has to take the reins and slow this down.. and we have to suport him.

I understand that no vote is IN CONCRETE.

Everything and anything should be allowed to be re-opened to re-discussed and voted on. We are chartering new water.. and

The Facilitator has us as sounding boards and voting members.

If we are not sounding off, or saying slow this down...and voicing properly.. the facilitator can't not be blamed.

Most and many of these ideas.. came from US not the facilitator! Not all of them, but most.

Because any topic can be reopened and discussed again and again until we get it refined and correct.

What has transpired related to dispersed finds can not be recanted.

But any future funding given out has to be discussed and discussed again in some great detail.

I have been called the peace maker.
I am calling for as many emergency meetings to be held by the Brothers
needed to first heal the misunderstood and riff that presents itself.

The Chat room is available at various times.
This weekend today, possible tonight after Poetry.

Brothers should have this meeting.
If it can be facilitated before that time.

All based on Brothers WARRIOR’s schedule, because he
has to be in the position to come on the mic, and into the chat room to dialog with us.

Brother Warrior. Please set a time this weekend if possible
where you can meet with us all and we discuss that misunderstanding.

Clearly there is one.

I am going to agree to one thing being removed from public view
and posted here on Destee and those are our minutes.

I will explain more at the meeting.

Thank You Brothers… I know we do great things and can do this.

We will come to finality or to terms either way.
I am positive it will be the latter… because Brothers Chat will live on.

=================
I want to discuss how we got to this point?

Was calling the Fund FEFF the issue... that made a disclaimer or something needed?

Does that wording place Destee into a position of liability?

Discuss the changes voted on and proposed about shares and donations?

Clearing this and discussing how many splits if any should take place... to eliminate what took place recently?

Donation... used for site maintenance and family support etc..
Shares... that only are decided to be used for projects that the
Brothers decide are more community based or something?

Donation bucket... Shares Bucket.. do we need them?

Coming to a vote and consensus on absentee votes?

Those present Majority Rule Voting?
What do you all want to do.. my vote as a absentee stands at Yes majority rule.

TRUST.. didn't we have it?

Etc... Etc...

The discussion is to heal and come as Brothers.

HODEE :geek:


BRO. HODEE.....

YOU WERE THE VERY FIRST PERSON TO WELCOME ME HERE AT DESTEE.COM.......YOU GAVE ME PRAISE , RESPECT , GUIDANCE , & ENCOURAGEMENT AFTER I ONLY SPOKE ONCE......

I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT......

EVER SINCE THEN , YOU HAVE GIVEN ME NOTHING LESS.....AND I AM TRULY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR EFFORTS , YOUR CANDOR , & YOUR POISE....

I AM ALSO GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU ATTEMPTED RIGHT HERE , RIGHT NOW.....PLEASE BELIEVE THAT....

HOWEVER , CONCERNING MY POST , THIS SITUATION , AND THE FEFF....

I AM RESPECTFULLY DECLINING YOUR OFFER TO MAKE AMMENDS....AND HERE'S WHY....

YOU MENTIONED THIS IN YOUR POST :


ANYTHING voted or discussed in brothers Chat is subject to being reopened for further discussion. This is my understanding of the Brotherhood.

Everything in the Brothers Chat, placed out in conversation or discussion is worthy and actually up for publication or a vote.

We are simply brainstorming and have an open dialog that facilitates such behavior of open expression.

Brother WARRIOR in your absence, we do take into consideration your opinion. That is why Brother Tariq, called you Tuesday October 20, 2009. You came in the vote to support the maintenance of the site pivoted greatly on your input.

It has been discussed that we take FEFF and our endeavors off site. It has been said that he FEFF will be and should be dismantled. That first was a shock when I heard it. But I immediately saw the concerns that were presented and many liabilities that could possibly arise.


I UNDERSTAND THAT ANYTHING IS UP FOR RE-VOTE.....AT ANY TIME....THATS A VERY GOOD THING......HOWEVER , THE VOTE THAT I WAS LEFT OUT OF IS UNDERSTANDABLE , THE VOTE THAT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT....IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE....NOR IS IT ACCEPTABLE...

I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT MY INPUT IS CONSIDERED.....AND YOU ARE RIGHT BRO. HODEE , TARIQ DID CALL ME ON OCT. 20 TO GET MY VOTE......BUT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY OCT. 21 PHONE CALL ??.....WERE YOU INFORMED ON WHAT WAS DISCUSSED ??

I THINK YOU BETTER GET WITH TARIQ AND INSIST ON MORE INFORMATION.......

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.....

THE ONLY ONE TALKING VOTE BY THE BROTHERS.......WAS ME
THE ONLY ONE TALKING EQUALITY & FAIRNESS........WAS ME
THE ONLY ONE TALKING ABOUT GIVING THE FEFF A CHANCE....WAS ME

THEN I FIND OUT IN THE MINUTES ON OCT 22 THAT THE VOTE WAS TAKEN , PASSED AND A NAME-CHANGE FOR THE FEFF IMPLEMENTED......

THIS IS THE BEST WAY I CAN SUM IT UP..." SOMEONE PISSED DOWN MY BACK AND TRIED THEIR VERY BEST TO CONVINCE ME IT WAS RAINING."

NOW , MAYBE YOU WERE HIP TO THIS....MAYBE NOT...IT DOESN'T MATTER...

BUT ONE THING IS FOR SURE.....FROM WHERE I STAND , THIS IS FAR BEYOND A MISUNDERSTANDING......

YOU SEE BRO. HODEE , I'M THE KIND OF MAN THAT WAITS......I SIT BACK AND I WATCH AND OBSERVE , SOMETIMES I ASK QUESTIONS....SOMETIMES I CAN DELIVER A FAIR SUGGESTION....

AND IN THIS CASE , I MUST ADMIT , SIS. DESTEE DROPPED A HELLUVA BOMB ON US...AND TRUE COLORS WERE REVEALED.....

I LISTED FOUR MISTAKES IN MY POST......TWO ARE OPEN FOR DEBATE , IM SURE......BUT , THERE ARE THREE MORE MISTAKES I NEVER MENTIONED.....THEY ARE TOO DESTRUCTIVE TO BRING UP.....

I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING BRO. HODEE.......AND MY MIND IS MADE UP....

AGAIN , I AM GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO......AND IN MY OPINION , YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL AT PRODUCING REAL PEACE IN BROTHERS CHAT RIGHT NOW....

BUT.....I GOTTA MOVE ON.......

FEEL FREE TO CALL ME IF YOU MUST.....


WARRIOR

BRO. HODEE.....

YOU WERE THE VERY FIRST PERSON TO WELCOME ME HERE AT DESTEE.COM.......YOU GAVE ME PRAISE , RESPECT , GUIDANCE , & ENCOURAGEMENT AFTER I ONLY SPOKE ONCE......

I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT......

EVER SINCE THEN , YOU HAVE GIVEN ME NOTHING LESS.....AND I AM TRULY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR EFFORTS , YOUR CANDOR , & YOUR POISE....

I AM ALSO GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU ATTEMPTED RIGHT HERE , RIGHT NOW.....PLEASE BELIEVE THAT....

HOWEVER , CONCERNING MY POST , THIS SITUATION , AND THE FEFF....

I AM RESPECTFULLY DECLINING YOUR OFFER TO MAKE AMMENDS....AND HERE'S WHY....

YOU MENTIONED THIS IN YOUR POST :


ANYTHING voted or discussed in brothers Chat is subject to being reopened for further discussion. This is my understanding of the Brotherhood.

Everything in the Brothers Chat, placed out in conversation or discussion is worthy and actually up for publication or a vote.

We are simply brainstorming and have an open dialog that facilitates such behavior of open expression.

Brother WARRIOR in your absence, we do take into consideration your opinion. That is why Brother Tariq, called you Tuesday October 20, 2009. You came in the vote to support the maintenance of the site pivoted greatly on your input.

It has been discussed that we take FEFF and our endeavors off site. It has been said that he FEFF will be and should be dismantled. That first was a shock when I heard it. But I immediately saw the concerns that were presented and many liabilities that could possibly arise.


I UNDERSTAND THAT ANYTHING IS UP FOR RE-VOTE.....AT ANY TIME....THATS A VERY GOOD THING......HOWEVER , THE VOTE THAT I WAS LEFT OUT OF IS UNDERSTANDABLE , THE VOTE THAT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT....IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE....NOR IS IT ACCEPTABLE...

I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT MY INPUT IS CONSIDERED.....AND YOU ARE RIGHT BRO. HODEE , TARIQ DID CALL ME ON OCT. 20 TO GET MY VOTE......BUT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY OCT. 21 PHONE CALL ??.....WERE YOU INFORMED ON WHAT WAS DISCUSSED ??

I THINK YOU BETTER GET WITH TARIQ AND INSIST ON MORE INFORMATION.......

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.....

THE ONLY ONE TALKING VOTE BY THE BROTHERS.......WAS ME
THE ONLY ONE TALKING EQUALITY & FAIRNESS........WAS ME
THE ONLY ONE TALKING ABOUT GIVING THE FEFF A CHANCE....WAS ME

THEN I FIND OUT IN THE MINUTES ON OCT 22 THAT THE VOTE WAS TAKEN , PASSED AND A NAME-CHANGE FOR THE FEFF IMPLEMENTED......

THIS IS THE BEST WAY I CAN SUM IT UP..." SOMEONE PISSED DOWN MY BACK AND TRIED THEIR VERY BEST TO CONVINCE ME IT WAS RAINING."

NOW , MAYBE YOU WERE HIP TO THIS....MAYBE NOT...IT DOESN'T MATTER...

BUT ONE THING IS FOR SURE.....FROM WHERE I STAND , THIS IS FAR BEYOND A MISUNDERSTANDING......

YOU SEE BRO. HODEE , I'M THE KIND OF MAN THAT WAITS......I SIT BACK AND I WATCH AND OBSERVE , SOMETIMES I ASK QUESTIONS....SOMETIMES I CAN DELIVER A FAIR SUGGESTION....

AND IN THIS CASE , I MUST ADMIT , SIS. DESTEE DROPPED A HELLUVA BOMB ON US...AND TRUE COLORS WERE REVEALED.....

I LISTED FOUR MISTAKES IN MY POST......TWO ARE OPEN FOR DEBATE , IM SURE......BUT , THERE ARE THREE MORE MISTAKES I NEVER MENTIONED.....THEY ARE TOO DESTRUCTIVE TO BRING UP.....

I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING BRO. HODEE.......AND MY MIND IS MADE UP....

AGAIN , I AM GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO......AND IN MY OPINION , YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL AT PRODUCING REAL PEACE IN BROTHERS CHAT RIGHT NOW....

BUT.....I GOTTA MOVE ON.......

FEEL FREE TO CALL ME IF YOU MUST.....


WARRIOR

Brother WARRIOR

Your decision to turn down an opportunity to meet with us is accepted.

I have a lot of respect for you Brother.

We all have a lot of respect for you, your support and past... to date participation is greatly appreciated.

I have received calls and been updated before and after meetings.

Many times discussions and exchange of ideas took place. Several times between several of the Brothers. In each case ideas were proposed changes desired discussed, or things of concern were voiced. I prefer my information first hand. But I apprecaite the brothers for their efforts and time to keep me informed as well.

Not knowing the scope or magnitude of the issues to come.
I anticipated we would have some misunderstandings and rough times in this infancy and formulation.

This is a wake up for better communication.
This a shot across the bow that we have to define this much better.
By writing our Mission Statement and having that as a guide.

We are in Flux with this whole project.
That is what I meant about re-opening and re-discussing these matters as needed.

Many of us have been in private calls and conversations. I received calls from the facilitator and other Brothers.

I can only speak for myself. When proposed any concept in those private conversations. My voice for or against was given and accepted and when that conversation ended. Left me in agreement to the extent it was possibly something of merit I could consider.

It dawned on me yesterday. This is what lobbying is. It isn't wrong, but can be criticized or possibly be viewed negative in some cases because it is a closed door, or outside conversation away from the meeting of members to garner support for a concept or an idea.

We have to be careful in what is shared or said that can be Misconstrued.

I have a lot of hope for what we were doing as a whole.

Peace to you Brother WARRIOR and I am extending.
As I am sure all the Brothers would.

Please feel free.
If you decide drop into the meetings and voice your parting concerns. Concider at least once to come in and work out the differences to your satisfaction of funds owed you.

I don't have your number Brother.
I will send you mine in a PM.
Keep in touch.

HODEE

Peace and Blessings Family,

I don't want to be in this, but i'm in it. There's no way for me or anyone to get around that. So here i am.

Brothers Chat is an old endeavor in this community, started in January 2004. It's evolved over the years, with lots of different Brothers coming and going, and I've always tried to stay out of the way. I've been honored that the Brothers chose this place to be willing to at least try and work together, giving as much leeway as I could, for them to do what they wanted and needed to do. For the first and only time in its history, I joined the Brothers, a few meetings ago. I asked permission to join, and was granted that. All of this to say, my record speaks for itself, in that I've tried to stay out of it.

Unfortunately though, harsh accusations have been put on the table, and it's only fair to us all, that they be addressed. I don't believe now is the time for the Brother's to stop providing minutes, to go even deeper in the dark, when stuff like this is on the table. We have always operated this community in an "every thing out in the open" kind of way, and that has not changed. The Brothers have always had their opportunities for private communication, but when it spills out in the open ... the whole Family can see ... the whole Family is involved ... then you can't put it back in the dark.

I have never given anyone in this community permission to solicit our Members for money, in some pre-approved destee way or implication, until i did it this time for the Brothers, and the FEFF. I have a great responsibility to every Member here, which is why there is no record of me allowing anyone such liberties, as i am very protective of us. While I was reluctant at first, as I almost always am when it comes to change or new direction, I gave the Brothers my blessing. I did not want to hinder forward movement, just because I wasn't comfortable with it, and I said this to the Brothers. I only required that it be done within the confines of our peace and purpose, as all other things are, and they assured me that it would be. I told them that I would not micro-manage their effort, but if I saw something I didn't like, I would tell them. They were appreciative of the trust and freedom I gave them, and welcomed my input as needed.

After the Brothers traveled this road, took us to new places, I saw new things. One of those things was the fact that promises were being made, that I could not stand behind. The FEFF was promising to help the Family in their time of financial trouble, if they give their money right now. I knew that was a promise I could not keep, and so I began lamenting in my Spirit about it. I knew that all we had, this community, was our character and integrity. Our honesty. In our entire 12 years of being here, no one can say that destee.com has ever taken anything from them, mistreated them or lied to them. I knew all it would take was someone giving their money today, and 6 months or a year later, come back for help ... and none of the same Brothers are around, the original money has been spent, and there is a promise to fulfill. I couldn't live with that. In fact, I shared with the Brothers during the meeting, that ironically, earlier in the same day ... i was in a line trying to get help to keep my lights on. They gave us (my Sister and i) $50.00 on that bill. It was the weirdest thing, to be in a line needing help for your own lights, but making promises to others that if they give their money now, you'll help them pay their lights later. That's krazee living. It's a lie. I can't promise that. I can't promise the utility company here, that my light bill will be paid next month. I can't be responsible for those kind of promises, and that is what I told the Brothers.

When I went into Brother's Chat that night, I told them to dismantle the FEFF, give everyone their money back, making everyone whole. I wanted to do this while the money was still there, so no one could say that they gave money, but couldn't receive the help promised. I left the chat room after saying these things to the Brothers, and was asked to return. The Brothers presented an alternative solution ... which I agreed to ... as all of this caught the Brothers off-guard, they had no idea how heavy my heart had become. I had taken plenty of time to think about it, but they had none, so I honored their request.

I love the Spirit of the effort. I love seeing the Brothers try to work together. I love their desire to not let it end, choosing rather to make it fit within the confines of our peace and purpose. I love the idea of our helping each other. But we can't just say we can do something, if we really aren't qualified ... at the moment we say it ... to do it. I even explained to the Brothers about Premium Membership, and how I am making a promise to every Member that helps ... that the site will be alive long enough for them to receive that service in full ... and some Members pay a year in advance, and I don't know if we're going to be alive next month! That is enough worry on my heart, trying to deliver, I can't take on anymore.

So they asked me for more time to try and make the FEFF, its promises, etc., acceptable to my heart, and i agreed.

I had no idea that all this other stuff was laying under the surface, that Brother WARRIOR would be so moved to put his concerns on the table.

But now that he has, it's only right and fair that they be addressed out in the open, where the concern has been presented.

I am responsible for this community, what I allow or don't allow to take place here, and this post is speaking to that.

I Love Us All !!! :grouphug:

:heart:

Destee

WITH ALLAH'S NAME, THE MERCIFUL BENEFACTOR, THE MERCIFUL REDEEMER
To Warrior and Clyde
In response to your thread about the FEFF, you are absolutely correct, the FEFF already has a name, purpose, and a life, and I hope this remain the case. In response to some of your issues, first and foremost no one cast a vote for you because the matter of changing the FEFF to another name was not brought up. Now in your attack on my character, I would have to ask you to prove that I have been deceptive as you stated three times. You obviously have been misinformed. Instead of investigating, if you so choose to do feel free. I have spoken with you on several occasions, and have called you my brother. If you felt there was a problem you have my personal phone numbers. As for challenges, challenge on. The word "HUSTLE" has a few definitions, and you may give your opinion as you wish about me prostituting others, but again you are wrong. It's unfortunate that you have taken the rolel of a follower (look it up in the dictionary) because you were not man enough as I said to call me or anyone else besides Clyde to get this incorrect information. I don't need to hustle anyone or anything. The few dollars in the FEFF I don't need. I was voted to be treasury over the FEFF obviously because I am a truthful brother. However, I don't need to prove that to you, Clyde, or anyone else who feels the way you do. Your accucations of my alledged screw-ups, #1 I was not trying to start a non-profit anything. The idea was to give people the opportunity to say where they wanted their donations to go. Now whatever they said was and still is fine with me. #2 I have never called Sis Destee a crook or any name associated with being a crook. #3 I can not, and don't need to control grown people. We are all thinking adults, so I thought. I was not trying to control any funds or persuade anyone to vote for me to have control over the FEFF. #4 Everything that I proposed was shared with our brothers and sisters in the meeting. If you had been in the meeting Warrior , you would have known this. When we voted to help people from the FEFF, it was not only for Sis Destee, but for anyone who needed assistance. If you need to know how much was given out call Clyde, better yet call someone who will tell you the whole truth. The word "robbing" never came out of my mouth in reference to Destee. Your God and my God is the same God. I do agree with one other think you said, it is up to the Creator to deal with wrongdoers. My questions to you is, then why would you spread such lies on this website. Take heed. Sis Destee did come in and say she wanted to dismantle the FEFF, because she felt we could not hold up our end to help the people. As far as I am concerned, in the next Brothers Chat, if the brothers want to vote and give Destee the remaining balance, then so be it. Your memory has become tainted, not one time did I say to you or anyone else that I practice deception. Why would I try to get you of all people , when I don't even know you that well except by your false name (Warrior) and your voice, to go along with me to decieve someone. By the way, thank you for letting me know to count your out of anything that has to do with money. According to Clyde, when one gives donations you cannot get your money back. As far as Lilpea, he doesn't want any funds returned to him. If you need your money returned that you so graciously gave, then show up Tuesday in Bro.Chat and they will be the deciding factor on returning your money, not me. It is not my vote alone to decide this. I will not send you a silver dime until all parties agree to give you or Clyde your money back. Again I say to you if you were in the meeting most of us agreed except Lilpea, because he didn't understand what I was saying. However, I spoke with my Bro Lilpea and explained in depth to him and he fully understands what I meant. The times that I had spoken with you on the phone you seem like a decent person. I never thought that you would come out of left field with this madness online at Destee.com We will continue to Rebuild, and Reuite our community at Destee.com with the help or our brothers, sisters and Allah (God). As far as contribuiting to Destee.com I have brought my family in as paying members. I will continue to try and bring more. I give thanks to my Brother Nasheed for introducing me to Destee.com. This is a beautiful site. To my Sister Destee, I pray that you will look at me as someone who is concerned about our people and their well being. Everyone has a right to their opinion, that is your number one rule. The thread posted about me is in my opinion, Warrior and Clyde's opinion. May Allah(God) continue to Bless them both as well as my sisters and brothers near and afar.
PEACE
I will not respond to anymore threads like this. If you need to say anything to me or about me, man up and do so via phone or the chat room.
Tariq M. Waheed

Destee

My request to you is not to bury the minutes so that our activities are hidden in any manner. This request is my idea and mine alone.

One of the Brothers kept saying we should take the FEFF off site.

This was equivalent to dismantling it.

We had often discussed holding our meetings off site.
Long before October 6, 2009 when you announced the Dismantling of the FEFF.

The minutes of Brothers Chat, while I was putting you on notice that I was considering proposing that to the brothers that we keep our minutes here on Destee.

And that you could set them to be on a Brothers member / FEFF member viewing bases hasn’t violated any thing has it?

These thread remaining posted , but all our minutes in the future only used for us to recap each week.

Would be for us and not public.

We can move those minutes off site.
That would just make them harder to access.
We have nothing to hide and it seemed so much trouble.
When we have all this resources here for members we could use.

Why couldn't they be kept private, or request they be private?

Anything we finally decided of course would be published in an open Brothers Chat Forum.

I have things I have constantly said and shared every week the Brothers like that name chosen. FEFF...
I had a problem using that name.

It later dawned on me that the minutes as they were being written and published were seasoned a bit too much.
Offering too much. Voted on.... ??? Open to be discussed further if needed and that is just my opinion.

Some of that seasoning was embellished.
What you see and what has happened is trying to compensate this embellishment and this riff happened.
But of course after those minutes are written and once they are out. They are hard to retract.

Clyde did nothing wrong.
Everthing he wrote we discussed , but I didn't expect to see all the comments and concepts
published before they were fully discussed and hatched properly.
Most of those things were brainstorming ideas..

I saw later those minutes had things we needed to talk about.
Destee did you say you were for FEFF.
If you didn't then we were lead to believe you did.
So would anyone reading the June published News letter.

Those words in those minutes I have and still have an issue with.
The published news letter says it too.
The news letter especially has you as an ADJUNCT ( associate or assistant ) of the FEFF
and says you are on board and ADHOC means ... FOR THIS!
That alone could cause liability for you.

Destee did you read that? Is it true or Untrue? That's what I mean the minutes got by us all.
So fixing it.. things can get spilled and Misconstrued...Over 800 hundred have read that news letter.

THERE is NO CROOKS and that word has been used and not understood.

example: If I said someone is doing something in a crooked ( BENT, DISHONEST, NOT STRAIGHT, QUESTIONABLE ) manner.

Is not calling anyone dishonest.

Give me benefit of the doubt, or ask me to my face.
Ask me or know all the permutations of a word and English language.
I am saying things done may be QUESTIONABLE.
And I am one to question anything I am a participant of.
Folks must first honestly learn every synonym of a word.
Too quick to go defensive.

A LOT HAS TAKEN PLACE, TO SAY A LOT HAS HAPPENED THAT IS QUESTIONABLE!

As Emotional as Blacks are. We jump immediately to the negative.

In the news letter and the minutes you were listed as being ADHOC or for this.

How did that get in there?

Because it leads to exactly what you see and feel is some sort of liability on your part.

But Destee as a group and one single voting member.
Things presented and expressed don't fall on deaf ears but they may not be agreed upon to further discuss.
I have said we need to slow down.. others said slow down too one was the facilitator.
I have said we should rethink using that word or something.
Actually I didn't have my finger on the exact issue.. but I felt something in the wind as they say.

Requesting that $RICH$$ attend a meeting and CCing you. Was not to deceive or to hide anything.

That is why we need tighter control on our minutes. Like seasoning... being placed on meat to marinate it. We may not catch mistakes in the minutes and once they are published they are public and subject to disrupting our progress.

Destee nothing we have done is private to you on this site.
You can see those private minutes.
Administrators can see those private minutes.
Only Brothers within the group could see them and the public will see what we publish and do as a group.


Positive Things! Coming out of brother Chat and FEFF.
From behind the scenes.. Brothers Chat and the brothers sharing moneys to help
Destee and the others that may need help was a good thing and idea.
UNITY! As Black men.

We may make mistakes and we may fail.
But this core group of Brothers have more heart, in them than
I have ever seen in my six years as a member.
This group was different and probably scary too.
Because we act and were reaching out.
Spreading out and change is SCARY to many.

We were not taking any monies you could or possibly get for premium memberships or anything.
FEFF was not a part of Destee.
Has never been a Destee responsibility.

It just happen to be started by Brothers of Destee
in the Chat room where we should be able to do so
as long as it legal and honest.

There were concepts that helped you.
This sites welfare has always been paramount

But it strated to take priority somehow
and the most disbursed was for site support.

We had no problem with that.. its that we can not grow and take care
of things that premium membership should help with.
Don't getme wrong... and you know we saw the chat room had issues and
we disburded to help, like we gave to try to keep the site open.

But Destee we would never let you down or obligate you in any manner.
Far from our intent.

Some brothers attended that never gave us a dime.
There was not a solicitation taking place in chat.
That was honest dialog and brothers trying to RISE above
Talking about issues and being about working to solve them. Freely giving for something we belived in.

Was it wrong for a brother to ask the members of Destee
a few years ago to help with his hard times and many gave.
NO.. I recall you were happy and he was happy the funds were
there for some to share and give.

FEFF was an extension of that support and love.


Tear it down Destee I am SERIOUSLY disappointed.
Your request to dismantle FEFF is very serious.

And delivered as I understand by surprise.
You have the ability and you have the right.
To enter any discussion here on your site.

That didn’t happen.
There was an announcement I understand that was final.
Now that threw us off. All of us.

According to Clyde, when one gives donations you cannot get your money back. As far as Lilpea, he doesn't want any funds returned to him. If you need your money returned that you so graciously gave, then show up Tuesday in Bro.Chat and they will be the deciding factor on returning your money, not me. It is not my vote alone to decide this. I will not send you a silver dime until all parties agree to give you or Clyde your money back.

Brother Tariq ... while i've only quoted some of what you've said, i appreciate it all. Thank you for responding. As one of the facilitators / leaders of Brother's Chat, i think it's incumbent upon you to respond to concerns presented. So i do appreciate your doing so. I'm especially glad to read that you did not say those things about me.

As far as the particular quote above is concerned, I think anyone asking for their money back, should be given that. Based on the minutes, Brother WARRIOR can't attend the Brother's Chats, and to require that of him, in order to get his money back, is not fair at all.

Under the circumstances, anyone asking for their money back, should be able to get it ... even if no one agrees with them.


As far as contribuiting to Destee.com I have brought my family in as paying members. I will continue to try and bring more. I give thanks to my Brother Nasheed for introducing me to Destee.com. This is a beautiful site. To my Sister Destee, I pray that you will look at me as someone who is concerned about our people and their well being. Everyone has a right to their opinion, that is your number one rule. The thread posted about me is in my opinion, Warrior and Clyde's opinion. May Allah(God) continue to Bless them both as well as my sisters and brothers near and afar.
PEACE
I will not respond to anymore threads like this. If you need to say anything to me or about me, man up and do so via phone or the chat room.
Tariq M. Waheed

Brother Tariq ... you composed your response to both Brother Clyde and Brother WARRIOR, but only Brother WARRIOR was speaking. It makes me wonder why are you insisting on making it appear as though you are responding to Brother Clyde, when he's not posted in this (particular situation)?

More importantly, i do appreciate you Brother Tariq, I was so impressed with you, your joining, bringing your Family, building, everything! Likewise, I was appreciative of Brother WARRIOR! You both are wonderful Brothers, and shutting down the communication process, skipping over the opportunity to work out a difference in the open, between two Brothers, in the best of manners ... well ... it's a lost opportunity for a great example. It certainly doesn't solve the problem. Of course it is your option never to respond to this or any like thread, but how can you be the best leader possible, not willing to respond to those that you lead? Or that it has to be done only the way you want it? It doesn't really work like that Brother, for if it did, i would have been able to avoid quite a few public confrontations over the years ... :)

I Love You Brother Tariq ... :grouphug:

I Love You Brother WARRIOR ... :grouphug:

and i believe this can all be worked out, for the bottom line is, we all want what's best.

Again, thanks for responding.

Love You!

:heart:

Destee

FEFF was not a part of Destee.
Has never been a Destee responsibility.


Brother HODEE ... you have brought up several things I'd like to respond to, but the above stands out. I need you and everyone to know, that anything that happens on destee.com, I am a part of. How can something be on destee.com, and I am not a part of it? I don't understand what you're saying, how you've come to the above conclusion.

The Brothers presented the FEFF to me, asking my permission to do it here, soliciting Destee Members for the money that fueled this effort. If I am not in it, why was my permission needed? I gave my permission, my blessing, my initial concerns, and moved out of the way. So yes, I do know that it says all of that in the newsletter, and where ever else it might be.

Yes, it is a noble gesture, to want to help everyone that needs help. I even shared with you all, that I'd love to feed all the starving Black Babies in the world, but I do not have the means to do that, so why say it? If we are going to say that we can help Sisters and Brothers pay their bills, it would stand to reason that ours would already be paid, and that is not the case.

Brother HODEE ... i recognize that it was you that made the suggestion to stop posting the minutes, and I still disagree with that, especially at this juncture. I appreciate Brother Clyde sharing the minutes with the Family, with the world, showing Brothers working together. We need these kinds of examples, out front and in the open, so other Brothers can see it being done in the best of manners. That is what this community is about, and everything being out in the open has always been a part of how we operate. What good is a light if you cover it up? Since you have nothing to hide, why not let it be out in the open, as it has been? You say the minutes were seasoned, suggesting that something was added that was not true, yet you say Brother Clyde did no wrong. If he embellished the minutes, that's wrong. If you knew this was happening and didn't speak on it, correct him, offer to take the responsibility from him so you could do it right, then there is more wrong. Speaking to this now, by saying you all will just keep the minutes to yourselves, looks suspect which i'm sure is not your intention.

I would also like to know more about taking the FEFF off of the site. That's certainly fine, as everyone is welcome to go wherever they please, doing whatever they'd like ... but the FEFF started with funds received from Members of destee.com, with the promise of helping those same Members in the future. So, how does taking it off of destee fit into all of this, and are you all planning to give the Members of this community their money back, prior to leaving? Or are you taking those Members off the site with you, with their money? How exactly will this work, if you don't mind sharing it with me / us.

Brother HODEE ... i do stand corrected, in that I have allowed Brother OldSoul to solicit money from the Family. You're right. He was in a bad way, needed help, asked if it was okay to ask the Family for help ... and i said yes. That is true. While it corrects my previous statement, that I've not allowed anyone to solicit our Members for money, they are rather two different situations. The FEFF was an ongoing request for money, promising to deliver assistance to all that helped, should they need it. It is that type of liberty, that I've never given anyone, but I do stand corrected. Thank You.

Brother HODEE ... you ask me to give you the benefit of the doubt, ask you to your face, but I don't know what i should be asking you. I had already given my blessings to the Brothers in this effort, from the start, which was an indication of my confidence. I never called anyone a crook, or even typed the word above, so i'm not understanding why i need to know every definition of the word. Please let me know what benefit of doubt you're asking for, or what I should be saying to your face.

To the Brothers, Family, Everyone :

This is just how it is sometimes, the rough part of our working together. We've been conditioned to a point, that causes us to get stuck at the most mediocre levels, but I believe it is all necessary. We can't get to step 5 without going through steps 1, 2, 3, and 4. We have to deal with each other in the best of manners, being honest, true, and forthcoming. It's just not easy. I've said all along, we are not an easy people. But even with that, we must move forward. We must somehow overcome these things that keep us bound, to move us and our people to the next level. In trying to do so, we will get stuck, have to work our way out of the mud, but the key is to keep striving to move forward.

No, it is not easy. There are a multitude of threads in this community pointing to our challenges, the hurdles we've had to cross, to get where we are today. They don't all leave me in the best light, for surely i've made a mistake or two along the way, that was pointed out by someone, but that is suppose to happen. We should check each other, question each other, ask about those things that don't look right. That doesn't hurt us. Not in the long run. In the long run, it is our willingness to put all issues on the table, and deal with them openly and fairly, that has contributed to the integrity and character of this community. To hide from the issue, pretend it doesn't exist, cover it up ... that is what hurts us.

Yes, Brothers will have issues, challenges, etc., and it is their willingness to put those things on the table, speak to them in the open, where all can see, read, and hear, that will heighten the levels of respect and trust needed to get to the next level. There's just no getting around this, if unity is the goal. So don't consider talking to the Family about the issues that arise, as a negative, for it can be a positive. We can provide great examples, for all to see, on how to work out the differences, and move on in the best of manners ... should you all be willing.

It is my hope, that we will get through this, and in time it will be a distant memory.

If it were easy to do, Brothers or Sisters working together, we'd see it on every corner. But we don't, 'cause it aint easy.

Only those determined to do it, come hell or high water, will persevere ... for the half-hearted will not be able to go the distance.

I appreciate the Brothers in this community, and stand with you in resolving all that needs to be resolved.

Love You!

:heart:

Destee

This whole situation has been heavy on my mind. As one of the facilitators of Brothers Chat I must give my view point.

Where I stand is this: If this was an accusation specifically concerning Brothers Chat a response would be warranted. Since in my view this was a "Personal" attack I feel that the 2 Brothers involved can work it out. I have talked to Bro. Tariq and Bro Warrior on the phone and this is between them.

Personally I think this was handle the wrong way. It should have been dealt with in a Brothers Chat meeting or on the phone. Constant posting and adding more to this madness is just keeping the fire going. I sincerely hope that this is it.

Nasheed E. Hameen

This whole situation has been heavy on my mind. As one of the facilitators of Brothers Chat I must give my view point.

Where I stand is this: If this was an accusation specifically concerning Brothers Chat a response would be warranted. Since in my view this was a "Personal" attack I feel that the 2 Brothers involved can work it out. I have talked to Bro. Tariq and Bro Warrior on the phone and this is between them.

Personally I think this was handle the wrong way. It should have been dealt with in a Brothers Chat meeting or on the phone. Constant posting and adding more to this madness is just keeping the fire going. I sincerely hope that this is it.

Nasheed E. Hameen

Brother Nasheed ... thank you for responding, but i disagree with you.

While there may be some personal issues being worked out, Brother's Chat, and the FEFF are both under the umbrella of destee.com, and the concerns tabled reflect on the community as a whole. I can't let you act as though it is only about yall, or one or two, for it is about all of us.

With that being the case, to take it private at this point, leaving all of the rest of us wondering, is not fair.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Nasheed ... thank you for responding, but i disagree with you.

While there may be some personal issues being worked out, Brother's Chat, and the FEFF are both under the umbrella of destee.com, and the concerns tabled reflect on the community as a whole. I can't let you act as though it is only about yall, or one or two, for it is about all of us.

With that being the case, to take it private at this point, leaving all of the rest of us wondering, is not fair.

:heart:

Destee

I appreciate ur response but here is where I take issue with it.

1. To be honest it is about the Brothers and 1 Sister. The FEFF was started in Bro's Chat but was not linked to Destee. It started in Bro's Chat on Destee but the account says FEFF under Tariq Waheed in Paypal which is a "Share Account". In Destee we call it a donation fund.

2. The accusations that have been stated were personal and under the misrepresentation because of the mins kept. The only reason this has been public is because the "Brothers" were trying to expose the family to our ideas and encourage involvement in Premium Membership and the FEFF.

3. A personal matter of this magnitude does not need "Family involvement". The persons that attend "Brothers Chat" know what has been discussed, voted on, and know where every dime has gone. I think to further keep this madness going is only detrimental to the unity of Destee. It should be only between the Brothers in Brothers Chat.

1. To be honest it is about the Brothers and 1 Sister. The FEFF was started in Bro's Chat but was not linked to Destee. It started in Bro's Chat on Destee but the account says FEFF under Tariq Waheed in Paypal which is a "Share Account". In Destee we call it a donation fund.


Brother Nasheed ... it seems that you hold the same opinion as Brother HODEE, and i don't understand yours either.

How can there be anything on destee.com, that is not linked to Destee?

Can someone come into your house, get your permission to do something, and you have nothing to do with it?

The fact that you all are operating under this faulty premise may be part of the problem.


2. The accusations that have been stated were personal and under the misrepresentation because of the mins kept. The only reason this has been public is because the "Brothers" were trying to expose the family to our ideas and encourage involvement in Premium Membership and the FEFF.


It could be personal, it could be that the minutes were wrong, and it could be that things are not like they should be.

No matter which it is, at this point, this community deserves to know what is really going on.


3. A personal matter of this magnitude does not need "Family involvement". The persons that attend "Brothers Chat" know what has been discussed, voted on, and know where every dime has gone. I think to further keep this madness going is only detrimental to the unity of Destee. It should be only between the Brothers in Brothers Chat.



I appreciate your assessment, that the Family does not need to know, but that is not your call to make.

You're certainly welcome to tell us nothing, make us piece it all together on our own, but as the facilitator of Brother's Chat, i hope you don't go that way.

I want to know what's going on. In fact, if you don't mind, can you tell me about taking the FEFF off of destee? What are the particulars of that please.

Thanks in advance.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Nasheed ... it seems that you hold the same opinion as Brother HODEE, and i don't understand yours either. How can there be anything on destee.com, that is not linked to Destee?

I understand what you are saying and I concede that point.

It could be personal, it could be that the minutes were wrong, and it could be that things are not like they should be.

No matter which it is, at this point, this community deserves to know what is really going on.

I still feel that this a personal matter but since it was "Put out" this way it should be discussed but not back and forth in a thread. As Brother Hodee suggested a meeting, let's say Thursday night should be dedicated to this so all that involved can say their piece. If it's not good for Warrior, let him pick a day that he can so this issue can be resolved.

I appreciate your assessment, that the Family does not need to know, but that is not your call to make. You're certainly welcome to tell us nothing, make us piece it all together on our own, but as the facilitator of Brother's Chat, i hope you don't go that way.

I only mentioned that the "Family" not be involved because this is a "Personal" matter between 2 Brothers that should have never been made public. Men who have a disagreement don't need an audience to work that out. Now, the reason I say that is because I have made the same mistakes here on Destee. I have called some Brothers out about somethings I didn't like/felt about them and that was wrong. I should have taken it to that them "Man to Man". This situation has nothing to do with the "Family" but is an issue between 2 "MEN"/Brothers and should have been kept that way.

In fact, if you don't mind, can you tell me about taking the FEFF off of destee? What are the particulars of that please

Since you asked:

1. We as Brothers set up an alternate place to meet in case the site was having problems and we couldn't get in. This was based off the times that Destee.Com was down for days because of problems.

2. Based off of ur visit to Brothers chat and "Your" conversation it was "Talked" about moving so that it would not create problems for you. As you stated,"You can not uphold the promises you felt we were making". Different ideas hit the table and that was just one of them.

I sincerely hope that I have answered all of your concerns.

Nasheed E. Hameen

I understand what you are saying and I concede that point.

Thank You Brother Nasheed.


I still feel that this a personal matter but since it was "Put out" this way it should be discussed but not back and forth in a thread. As Brother Hodee suggested a meeting, let's say Thursday night should be dedicated to this so all that involved can say their piece. If it's not good for Warrior, let him pick a day that he can so this issue can be resolved.

I only mentioned that the "Family" not be involved because this is a "Personal" matter between 2 Brothers that should have never been made public. Men who have a disagreement don't need an audience to work that out. Now, the reason I say that is because I have made the same mistakes here on Destee. I have called some Brothers out about somethings I didn't like/felt about them and that was wrong. I should have taken it to that them "Man to Man". This situation has nothing to do with the "Family" but is an issue between 2 "MEN"/Brothers and should have been kept that way.

The accusations being levied are not just personal, but also include the proper handling of a destee.com endeavor, Brother's Chat, and the subsequent handling of monies from the FEFF, that came from Destee Members.

There are some disagreements best handled privately, but this isn't one, since the FEFF asked for, and received, the Family's support.


Since you asked:

1. We as Brothers set up an alternate place to meet in case the site was having problems and we couldn't get in. This was based off the times that Destee.Com was down for days because of problems.

2. Based off of ur visit to Brothers chat and "Your" conversation it was "Talked" about moving so that it would not create problems for you. As you stated,"You can not uphold the promises you felt we were making". Different ideas hit the table and that was just one of them.

I sincerely hope that I have answered all of your concerns.

Thank You Brother Nasheed. That does help me see that part more clearly.

We have not had any down time since January, 2009 (our server was hacked), and i can't even remember the time before that.

I can understand if this talk was in response to my decision to dismantle the FEFF, just trying out different ideas. Okay.

Thank You! :grouphug:

:heart:

Destee

WITH ALLAH'S NAME, THE MERCIFUL BENEFACTOR, THE MERCIFUL REDEEMER
To Warrior and Clyde

It's unfortunate that you have taken the rolel of a follower (look it up in the dictionary) because you were not man enough as I said to call me or anyone else besides Clyde to get this incorrect information.

However, I don't need to prove that to you, Clyde, or anyone else who feels the way you do.

If you need to know how much was given out call Clyde, better yet call someone who will tell you the whole truth.

if the brothers want to vote and give Destee the remaining balance, then so be it.

According to Clyde, when one gives donations you cannot get your money back. As far as Lilpea, he doesn't want any funds returned to him. If you need your money returned that you so graciously gave, then show up Tuesday in Bro.Chat and they will be the deciding factor on returning your money, not me. It is not my vote alone to decide this. I will not send you a silver dime until all parties agree to give you or Clyde your money back.

The thread posted about me is in my opinion, Warrior and Clyde's opinion. May Allah(God) continue to Bless them both as well as my sisters and brothers near and afar.
PEACE
I will not respond to anymore threads like this. If you need to say anything to me or about me, man up and do so via phone or the chat room.
Tariq M. Waheed




Brother Tariq,

This is a sad day brother, for real. You have wrongfully accused me of conspiring; misinforming, plotting and only God knows what else. Brother, none of what you wrote about me is true, all of it is false. The minutes reflect exactly what was said in the meeting, as they always have. The name change of the FEFF that I made notes on was to be Brothers/Sisters Chat Share Holders, it’s as simple as that. But regardless, the change that past alters the concept and structure of the FEFF, significantly, making the name change a moot point.

In your post, you said nothing about the share holding concept, you did inadvertently mention non-profit though. Surprisingly in Thursday’s meeting, you announced the change applied to the enter workings of the FEFF, to include Share Holders, and that we past that change on Tuesday. The minutes/recap are never done off the top of my head, I always take notes Tariq.

When you repeatedly said in Thursday’s meeting, the name of the FEFF was not changed; this sent a strong signal to me that something was being devised. The minutes had been posted about one hour before Thursday’s meeting and correctly reported the name change to the FEFF, and the passing vote of that change.

You keep saying what Clyde said about donations. The truth of that statement is that it was in response to a problem you feared may arise if some did demand back their gift. In your mind, to go share holders would solve the problem. For the record, we decided to go with PayPal because of the record keeping function it offers, just in case something of this magnitude, we are now in, occurs. That was always your position Tariq, to be able to give back everybody’s money if we ever had a snag in the program. But now you seek a vote on something we had firm understanding about, integrity.

Brother, it was you that asked me to contact Bro. WARRIOR and give him update on the business of Brothers Chat. And to think, you just testified on Thursday in front of all in attendance to the Reuniting/Rebuilding our Community meeting, that you had my back, do you remember this brother?

I WILL BE REPLYING TO YOUR RESPONSE IN ORDER , BY PARTS....

IT'S BETTER FOR ME , SINCE THOROUGHNESS IS NEEDED HERE.....

AND.....I WANT TO BE UNDERSTOOD.....SO....YOUR WORDS ARE IN GRAY..

To Warrior and Clyde
In response to your thread about the FEFF, you are absolutely correct, the FEFF already has a name, purpose, and a life, and I hope this remain the case. In response to some of your issues, first and foremost no one cast a vote for you because the matter of changing the FEFF to another name was not brought up.

BROTHER CLYDE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY WORDS...HE DOESN'T PRODUCE THEM , NOR DOES HE INFLUENCE THEM....MY WORD(S) ARE MY BOND....I STAND BY THEM..

NOT ONLY ON THIS POST , BUT EACH & EVERY POST I HAVE MADE HERE....I DON'T PLAY WITH WORDS OR PHRASES...I PRESENT THEM AS AN EXTENSION....OF ME

NO CONTRADICTION WILL BE FOUND IN ANY OF MY POSTS...BECAUSE I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE SAKE OF THE MOMENT....IT'S EXTREMELY MISLEADING....

YOU ADDRESSING ME ALONGSIDE BRO. CLYDE SAYS A LOT.....I COULD BREAK THEM DOWN TOO.....BECAUSE CAHOOTS IS THE FIRST WORD THAT COMES TO MIND......AND THOUGH I CONSIDER BRO. CLYDE A FRIEND , I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE DAMAGE THAT WOULD BE DONE IF WE BOTH DECIDED TO WORK TOGETHER IN PRACTICING.......ASSAULT , TRICKERY , MANIPULATION , & DECEPTION.....

BUT SINCE WE BOTH ARE DEFINITELY LIKE-MINDED BROTHERS WHEN IT COMES TO PERSPECTIVE , & THE DIVINE POWER OF GOD.....I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU THAT MY ADMIRATION FOR HIS WILLINGNESS TO KEEP FACING THESE IMMATURE , HATE-FILLED , NON-ENDING STORMS......IS UNTOUCHABLE.......AND MY ADMIRATION FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS THE SAME....AND WITH BRO. KWABENA.....BRO. METASAIENCE.....BRO. OLD SOUL...& BRO. CHIEF ELDER OSIRIS....

SO....NONE OF MY WORDS BELONG TO BRO. CLYDE....IN ANY FASHION......AND PURPOSELY REFLECTING MY WORDS UNDER HIS NAME IS NOTHING MORE THAN DECEPTION ITSELF , HARD AT WORK , IN THE SPIRIT OF.....CONFUSION...

AS FOR THE MATTER OF CHANGING THE FEFF (Family Emergency Financial Fund).....ALL I CAN SAY IS.....I WILL NOT BE MOVED FROM MY INITIAL WORDS ON THAT MATTER....

Now in your attack on my character, I would have to ask you to prove that I have been deceptive as you stated three times. You obviously have been misinformed. Instead of investigating, if you so choose to do feel free. I have spoken with you on several occasions, and have called you my brother. If you felt there was a problem you have my personal phone numbers.


MY WAR.......LET ME SAY IT AGAIN....MY WAR....IS AGAINST DECEPTION.......

I DECLARED WAR ON DECEPTION NEARLY TWO WEEKS AGO.....AND GUESS WHAT ?......I'M WINNING....

THE MISINFORMATION YOU CLAIM I RECIEVED CAME FROM ONE SOURCE.......THE HORSE'S MOUTH , SO TO SPEAK.....

AND UHHH....I CAN DEFINITELY PROVE DECEPTION THREE TIMES ON YOUR PART EASILY....BUT THAT'S NOT MY INTENT HERE.....AND LIKE I TOLD YOU TODAY , I DO INDEED HAVE RESPECT FOR YOU.....IT'S JUST IN PERSPECTIVE RIGHT NOW.....WHERE IT BELONGS....

BUT I WILL SAY THIS....AGAIN......" THE MORE DESTEE.COM GROWS , THE MORE TRUE COLORS WILL BE REVEALED " .......

ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT TRUTH.....AND THAT IS.....WHEN IT IS UP AGAINST DENIAL & PRIDE TOGETHER , DENIAL & PRIDE USUALLY WIN...ON THE SURFACE.........BUT......UNDERNEATH , THE TRUTH SITS STILL , UNMOVED BY DENIAL & PRIDE.....SLOWLY BUT SURELY , GAINING POWER , STRENGTH , & INFLUENCE....JUST LIKE OUR ANCESTOR'S SPIRITS......IN THE ANCESTOR'S INVOCATION........SO HERE'S YOUR PROOF...IF YOU WILL :

GREAT ANCESTOR'S WE ASK THAT YOU LEAD US THROUGH THE DARKNESS OF IGNORANCE , WITH SACRED LIGHT OF WISDOM

I'M STILL YOUR BROTHER....IF I WASN'T , I WOULD HAVE WISHED YOU WELL ALREADY....I'M JUST FIRM ON MY POSITION....AND I'M NOT GONNA BE MOVED....

SO , WITH THAT SAID.....I GUARANTEE YOU , MY CELL NUMBER WILL NOT CHANGE..


As for challenges, challenge on. The word "HUSTLE" has a few definitions, and you may give your opinion as you wish about me prostituting others, but again you are wrong. It's unfortunate that you have taken the rolel of a follower (look it up in the dictionary) because you were not man enough as I said to call me or anyone else besides Clyde to get this incorrect information.


IT'S VERY CLEAR HOW I PRESENTED THE WORD HUSTLE......AND I STAND BY THAT PRESENTATION.....FEEL FREE TO CHANGE IT ANY WAY YOU LIKE......AND AS FOR MY OPINIONS.....I WILL CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM AS I SEE FIT.....

I NEVER USED OR PRESENTED THE WORD PROSTITUTION....ACTUALLY , IT NEVER CAME TO MIND....SO I WILL CONSIDER THAT DISPLAY....WEIGHTLESS..

FOLLOWING YOU & BROTHER CLYDE WAS FULLFILLING , HEARTWARMING , ENCOURAGING.....AND CHALLENGING......I WILL FOREVER CREDIT YOU WITH OFFERING ME PERSPECTIVES OF KNOWLEDGE THAT BECAME BLOCKS OF TRUTH , IN MY LIFE , & IN MY OPINION...

BUT IN THIS SITUATION , BRO. CLYDE HAS NO LEADERSHIP ROLE HERE , NO INPUT , NO INSIGHT , AND NO INFLUENCE....

I STAND ALONE ON THIS....I WALK ALONE ON THIS.....AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M DOING.....

IT'S TOO BAD THAT YOU CAN'T SEE ANY FURTHER THAN ME BEING MISLED......I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE SOME IN YOUR BUSY SCHEDULE , AND TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF MY EARLIER POSTS IN THE THREADS.....HOPEFULLY , YOU WILL COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT BRO. WARRIOR IS HIS OWN MAN , WHO IS WILLING TO LISTEN AS WELL AS SPEAK.....AND , CAN HOLD HIS OWN...

I WAS NOT MISLED....I DIDN'T CALL BRO. CLYDE TO GET INFORMATION , I DIDN'T HAVE TO.......YOU CALLED ME......AND I CAN ASSURE YOU I DIDN'T MISUNDERSTAND YOU , BECAUSE THE SAME STAND I'M TAKING NOW.....I TOOK THEN.....AS YOU WELL KNOW...

BUT , FOR THE SAKE OF APPEARANCE......IT'S MUCH EASIER TO CLAIM ME AS JUMPING THE GUN , OR GOING OFF HALF-COCKED...AT THE EXPENSE OF BRO. CLYDE BEING WRECKLESS OF ALL THINGS.........I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.....BECAUSE I HAVE ENOUGH PATIENCE TO WATCH AN ILLUSION FADE AWAY......WHILE THE COLORS OF TRUTH REVEAL THEMSELVES.....

FOLLOWING BROTHER CLYDE HAS BEEN REWARDING & THOUGHT-PROVOKING......HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE IS CAPTIVATING.....AS THE HOLY WORD HAS ALWAYS BEEN , TO THOSE WHO RESPECT IT , & YEARN FOR ITS PROTECTION.....

BUT I DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW BRO. CLYDE OR ANYONE WHEN IT COMES TO MY OWN PRINCIPLES....I HARDLY DOUBT YOU WILL EVER CONTEST THAT , FOR MY POSITION IS NOT A FALSE ONE....

SO....THE WAY I FOLLOW BRO. CLYDE IS NOT........I REPEAT....IS NOT AT ALL IN THE MANNER YOU CLAIM....I FOLLOW HIM THE SAME WAY I FOLLOWED YOU......CONSCIOUSLY.....WITH QUESTION , OPINION , & IDEAS....

CALLING YOU AS YOU NOW SAY I SHOULD HAVE DONE WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERKILL.....BESIDES , I COULD DO 50 LEGAL-SIZED PAGES RIGHT NOW ON THE POSITION YOU TOOK WITH ME ON OCT. 21ST , AND THE POSITION YOU TAKE NOW.....CONTRADICTION ITSELF WOULD APPLAUD YOU ...IF IT COULD...

I don't need to hustle anyone or anything. The few dollars in the FEFF I don't need. I was voted to be treasury over the FEFF obviously because I am a truthful brother. However, I don't need to prove that to you, Clyde, or anyone else who feels the way you do. Your accucations of my alledged screw-ups, #1 I was not trying to start a non-profit anything. The idea was to give people the opportunity to say where they wanted their donations to go. Now whatever they said was and still is fine with me. #2 I have never called Sis Destee a crook or any name associated with being a crook. #3 I can not, and don't need to control grown people. We are all thinking adults, so I thought. I was not trying to control any funds or persuade anyone to vote for me to have control over the FEFF. #4 Everything that I proposed was shared with our brothers and sisters in the meeting. If you had been in the meeting Warrior , you would have known this. When we voted to help people from the FEFF, it was not only for Sis Destee, but for anyone who needed assistance. If you need to know how much was given out call Clyde, better yet call someone who will tell you the whole truth. The word "robbing" never came out of my mouth in reference to Destee.


I HAVE PRESSING MATTERS RIGHT NOW.....I WILL RETURN TO FINISH....


WARRIOR

Peace and Blessings Family,

During our Premium Members Chat (http://destee.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=80&day=2009-10-25&c=1) last night, Brother Tariq offered to return the remaining FEFF funds (to those that gave). This will dismantle the FEFF on destee.com. The Brothers will work the particulars out during Tuesday Night's Brother Chat. The FEFF previously voted to help with site maintenance (twice), and I'll apply that money to each Member's Premium Membership Subscription. Brother Tariq, if you tell me who gave what, I'll credit them. There are plans to continue the FEFF off of destee.com and those interested can speak with Brothers Nasheed and HODEE.

This has been a wonderful experience, and I thank the Brothers for it. We must do things like this, provide living examples of our working together, for our babies to see. It is our only hope. We are our only hope. No, we won't always do it exactly right, getting to exactly where we planned, but we tried ... and that's the key ... we must keep trying!

I LOVE USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!! :grouphug:

It took great courage, to even try, on all of our parts. Individually and collectively, necessary nation building lessons have been provided, by what our Brothers did.

Lessons one can't truly know, until they travel the road, and our Brothers led the way! Charting road maps as they went. We are blessed beyond compare.

Thank You Brother Tariq for ending it with the dignity and forthrightness that you started it with ... that is you ... Thank You!

Family, we now have a new measurement, a new height, for the bar has surely been raised! :weights:

Thank You Brothers - Thank You Family :grouphug:

:heart:

Destee

Peace and Blessings Family,

During our Premium Members Chat (http://destee.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=80&day=2009-10-25&c=1) last night, Brother Tariq offered to return the remaining FEFF funds (to those that gave). This will dismantle the FEFF on destee.com. The Brothers will work the particulars out during Tuesday Night's Brother Chat. The FEFF previously voted to help with site maintenance (twice), and I'll apply that money to each Member's Premium Membership Subscription. Brother Tariq, if you tell me who gave what, I'll credit them. There are plans to continue the FEFF off of destee.com and those interested can speak with Brothers Nasheed and HODEE.

This has been a wonderful experience, and I thank the Brothers for it. We must do things like this, provide living examples of our working together, for our babies to see. It is our only hope. We are our only hope. No, we won't always do it exactly right, getting to exactly where we planned, but we tried ... and that's the key ... we must keep trying!

I LOVE USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!! :grouphug:

It took great courage, to even try, on all of our parts. Individually and collectively, necessary nation building lessons have been provided, by what our Brothers did.

Lessons one can't truly know, until they travel the road, and our Brothers led the way! Charting road maps as they went. We are blessed beyond compare.

Thank You Brother Tariq for ending it with the dignity and forthrightness that you started it with ... that is you ... Thank You!

Family, we now have a new measurement, a new height, for the bar has surely been raised! :weights:

Thank You Brothers - Thank You Family :grouphug:

:heart:

Destee

Queen "D" Much Love:qqb015:

I'm responding to this just to clarify the position of The FEFF. I can say without a doubt that Bro. Tariq, Bro. Elder Ba'khyr, and myself will keep the FEFF alive and kicking. I can't speak to for anyone else other than those mentioned. Although it will no longer be at Destee.Com, it's purpose and mission is the same. (Family Emergency Financial Fund).

We ran into muddy waters because of technicalities unforeseen, lessons learned. It will be structured now without a chance for ambiguity. A charter will be established to ensure this.

Thank you for giving us the latitude you did for this endeavour. I am sure from the experience here we will grow and become the "EXTRA ORDINARY" people that Bro. Imam Oldsoul spoke about in his thread in 2005.

Finally, I would like to say that it was Oldsoul's post that inspired us and "We will" make his vision a reality. Big Up's to Imam Oldsoul.

Nasheed E. Hameen

Queen "D" Much Love:qqb015:

I'm responding to this just to clarify the position of The FEFF. I can say without a doubt that Bro. Tariq, Bro. Elder Ba'khyr, and myself will keep the FEFF alive and kicking. I can't speak to for anyone else other than those mentioned. Although it will no longer be at Destee.Com, it's purpose and mission is the same. (Family Emergency Financial Fund).

We ran into muddy waters because of technicalities unforeseen, lessons learned. It will be structured now without a chance for ambiguity. A charter will be established to ensure this.

Thank you for giving us the latitude you did for this endeavour. I am sure from the experience here we will grow and become the "EXTRA ORDINARY" people that Bro. Imam Oldsoul spoke about in his thread in 2005.

Finally, I would like to say that it was Oldsoul's post that inspired us and "We will" make his vision a reality. Big Up's to Imam Oldsoul.

Nasheed E. Hameen

Brother Nasheed ... Thank You ... that is all so sweet ... i love you ... :love:

Thank you for responding with so much love. I do wish the endeavor well, appreciating the opportunity it gave us all to work together. I know many are disappointed that we could not see it to fruition, but there are great blessings received, for the distance we did travel ... and i thank each one that participated, for that.

Brother Nasheed, if you don't mind, would you post the names and amounts of those that gave to the FEFF. The amounts are important, so I can know how to credit their money that went to site maintenance, toward Premium Membership. I think it is such an honorable gesture, by those that were willing to go the distance, reach in their pocket and help. I don't want to forsake giving them, in any way, full and proper credit for their great show of trust and support. As you know, we already thank every Member publicly, that becomes or remains Premium, and I'd like to give these Sisters and Brothers the same consideration now.

Please post the information in this thread, after all the particulars are worked out, serving as a great example and a final public record.

What we did takes courage, determination, a great love of our people, and a will to do ... and I am honored by it all.

Thank You Brother Nasheed ... :grouphug:

:heart:

Destee

Brother Nasheed ... Thank You ... that is all so sweet ... i love you ... :love:

Thank you for responding with so much love. I do wish the endeavor well, appreciating the opportunity it gave us all to work together. I know many are disappointed that we could not see it to fruition, but there are great blessings received, for the distance we did travel ... and i thank each one that participated, for that.

Brother Nasheed, if you don't mind, would you post the names and amounts of those that gave to the FEFF. The amounts are important, so I can know how to credit their money that went to site maintenance, toward Premium Membership. I think it is such an honorable gesture, by those that were willing to go the distance, reach in their pocket and help. I don't want to forsake giving them, in any way, full and proper credit for their great show of trust and support. As you know, we already thank every Member publicly, that becomes or remains Premium, and I'd like to give these Sisters and Brothers the same consideration now.

Please post the information in this thread, after all the particulars are worked out, serving as a great example and a final public record.

What we did takes courage, determination, a great love of our people, and a will to do ... and I am honored by it all.

Thank You Brother Nasheed ... :grouphug:

:heart:

Destee

Queen D, I Love You To. Unfortunately I can not honor your request because I don't have record of that. You will have to ask Brother Tariq (Treasurer) for that information. I will let him know of your request.

Thank you again. Much Love:qqb015:

Nasheed E. Hameen

Queen D, I Love You To. Unfortunately I can not honor your request because I don't have record of that. You will have to ask Brother Tariq (Treasurer) for that information. I will let him know of your request.

Thank you again. Much Love:qqb015:

Nasheed E. Hameen

Thank You Brother Nasheed ... please do pass the request on to Brother Tariq.

Love You!

:heart:

Destee

Brothers

I will not be attending Tuesday October 27, 2009 Brothers Chat

I have an evening appointment, that I need to attend from 5:30Pm PST to 7:30PM PST.

My absentee vote if one is needed is in agreement with majority.
I spoke briefly with Brother Tariq yesterday to let him know I would not be attending the Tuesday meeting...


HODEE
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Brother WARRIOR

Sent me the following message to pass on to the Brothers.
Brother WARRIOR your participation with us all was greatly appreciated.

MY SHARE BRO. HODEE , WOULD BE AROUND 60.50...SEE TO IT THAT MY SHARE GOES TO SIS. DESTEE....

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Brothers I request that since we are working from paypal, it would be easy to credit this to Destee thru paypal.

From the FEFF paypal to Destee's paypal. She in turn plans to credit those who gave. Premium Membership credit.

HODEE

Queen D as promised , here is the information you requested.

Credit Brother Warrior $40.50 and Bro Clyde $12.50. for Premium Membership. You will recieve monies amounting to $53.00.

Nasheed Hameen

Queen D as promised , here is the information you requested.

Credit Brother Warrior $40.50 and Bro Clyde $12.50. for Premium Membership. You will recieve monies amounting to $53.00.

Nasheed Hameen

Brother Nasheed ... thank you, but that's not what I asked for.

The above does not provide information needed to properly allocate the funds I've already received (for site maintenance).

I hope you all don't consider my queries too prying, but since the FEFF was soliciting Destee Members, via Destee's Brother's Chat ... i'd like the Destee Family to have a full and complete public record of the monies received, and what the FEFF is leaving with ... considering it came with nothing.

Can we end this with no one wondering anything, because the facilitators have put everything on the table?

Please advise.

Thanks.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Nasheed ... thank you, but that's not what I asked for.

The above does not provide information needed to properly allocate the funds I've already received (for site maintenance).

I hope you all don't consider my queries too prying, but since the FEFF was soliciting Destee Members, via Destee's Brother's Chat ... i'd like the Destee Family to have a full and complete public record of the monies received, and what the FEFF is leaving with ... considering it came with nothing.

Can we end this with no one wondering anything, because the facilitators have put everything on the table?

Please advise.

Thanks.

:heart:

Destee

Sorry for the misunderstanding. For the information you seek you will have to ask Tariq(Treasurer) or Clyde(Co-Treasurer) of the former FEFF.

Nasheed Hameen

Sorry for the misunderstanding. For the information you seek you will have to ask Tariq(Treasurer) or Clyde(Co-Treasurer) of the former FEFF.

Nasheed Hameen

Brother Nasheed ... i'm growing a bit troubled in my Spirit, impatient even, why are these games being played?

I made my request clear initially, you said that you'd pass it on to Brother Tariq, and I know Brother Tariq saw this thread.

You are the facilitator of Brother's Chat, a leadership position that should be able to easily get / deliver what I'm asking for.

Now you're telling me to go to Brother Tariq or Clyde, when Sister Queen told me days ago that Brother Clyde's access to the money / account (his Co-Treasurer status) was removed by Brother Tariq, leaving only his own self, Brother Tariq, with the ability to touch the money ... yet you talk above, as if you are not aware of this.

Why are these games being played, risking one's character, integrity, and reputation, for a little bit of money?

I don't understand. Can you help me? What's going on?

:heart:

Destee

Sorry for the misunderstanding. For the information you seek you will have to ask Tariq(Treasurer) or Clyde(Co-Treasurer) of the former FEFF.

Nasheed Hameen


Brother Nasheed ... i'm growing a bit troubled in my Spirit, impatient even, why are these games being played?

I made my request clear initially, you said that you'd pass it on to Brother Tariq, and I know Brother Tariq saw this thread.

You are the facilitator of Brother's Chat, a leadership position that should be able to easily get / deliver what I'm asking for.

Now you're telling me to go to Brother Tariq or Clyde, when Sister Queen told me days ago that Brother Clyde's access to the money / account (his Co-Treasurer status) was removed by Brother Tariq, leaving only his own self, Brother Tariq, with the ability to touch the money ... yet you talk above, as if you are not aware of this.

Why are these games being played, risking one's character, integrity, and reputation, for a little bit of money?

I don't understand. Can you help me? What's going on?


Destee






Nasheed,

As you are aware, on October 20, 2009, after heated discussion, I placed my Co-Treasurer position and minute taking responsibilities on the table in that meeting. Although it was not made official, Tariq removed my accessibility from the then, FEFF.

This past Sunday in Premium Members Chat, after meeting for 4 hours and 15 minutes, it is my understanding we determined to shut down the FE/FF (the new name) and return all monies to Sister Destee, and move the activity of the FE/FF off Site. A vote of validation was to take place yesterday in Brothers Chat. No vote was taken. Tariq informed us of those remaining with the new FE/FF and that their monies would transfer off Site.

Sister Destee, your conversation attempting to acquire the information you have requested, which is the number of people donating to the former FEFF and the amounts given, can only be granted by Tariq and/or Nasheed, and not me.

Brother Nasheed ... i'm growing a bit troubled in my Spirit, impatient even, why are these games being played?

I made my request clear initially, you said that you'd pass it on to Brother Tariq, and I know Brother Tariq saw this thread.

You are the facilitator of Brother's Chat, a leadership position that should be able to easily get / deliver what I'm asking for.

Now you're telling me to go to Brother Tariq or Clyde, when Sister Queen told me days ago that Brother Clyde's access to the money / account (his Co-Treasurer status) was removed by Brother Tariq, leaving only his own self, Brother Tariq, with the ability to touch the money ... yet you talk above, as if you are not aware of this.

Why are these games being played, risking one's character, integrity, and reputation, for a little bit of money?

I don't understand. Can you help me? What's going on?

:heart:

Destee

I don't know what games you speak of.

1. Any information concerning the account is for the Treasurer to answer, I'm a Facilitator of Brothers Chat. Who put in what is knowledge of the Treasurer. Although appreciation was announced in Brothers Chat for money given by participants I kept no records.

2.As far as Brother Tariq seeing the thread, I cant speak on that, nor can anyone else.

3.I already stated to you that I misunderstood what you were asking for so I posted my answer to your question as I perceived it.

4.Clyde as well as Tariq kept records of the monies and who gave what. Regardless of his removal I directed you to the ones that kept those records.

Again I don't know what games you speak of but any further questions ask Tariq or Clyde. They kept records on the money not me.

I don't know what games you speak of.

Brother Nasheed ... one would have to be blind, not to see the games being played in this situation, and I know you're not blind.


1. Any information concerning the account is for the Treasurer to answer, I'm a Facilitator of Brothers Chat. Who put in what is knowledge of the Treasurer. Although appreciation was announced in Brothers Chat for money given by participants I kept no records.

You, not Brother Tariq, responded to my recap of Premium Members Chat, which highlighted the dismantling of the FEFF, and the return of everyone's money.

You responded in official capacity (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=608010&postcount=202), speaking not only to my one sentence that mentioned you specifically, but all in general.

If you are now feigning no stewardship over any of this, after injecting yourself in it, then move out of the way ... please.


2.As far as Brother Tariq seeing the thread, I cant speak on that, nor can anyone else.

You said you were going to pass my initial request on to Brother Tariq ... did you?


3.I already stated to you that I misunderstood what you were asking for so I posted my answer to your question as I perceived it.

My question was clear.

It is negligent for the leader of any effort, under like circumstances, to attempt to lessen their responsibility by simply saying ... i misunderstood.

Negligent and unacceptable.


4.Clyde as well as Tariq kept records of the monies and who gave what. Regardless of his removal I directed you to the ones that kept those records.

Obviously someone doesn't want us all to know the information, or else we'd have it.

So, don't even worry about it, I'll try to piece it together myself, and post what I come up with for the Family.

It's a shame that I must go to such extremes, to get information readily available but being willfully withheld, after trusting and welcoming all involved.

If it takes this much effort for me to get the truth on the table, I can imagine it easily evading all others who continue participating in it.


Again I don't know what games you speak of but any further questions ask Tariq or Clyde. They kept records on the money not me.

Brother Nasheed ... i asked one last question above to you, if you'll respond to it, i won't bother you anymore.

I do appreciate your effort to help facilitate this situation.

Thank You.

:heart:

Destee

Queen D as promised , here is the information you requested.

Credit Brother Warrior $40.50 and Bro Clyde $12.50. for Premium Membership. You will recieve monies amounting to $53.00.

Nasheed Hameen



NASHEED.....

I POSTED THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE DOINATIONS I HAD GIVEN TO THE ORIGINAL FEFF....IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS....WAS $60.50.....

I NOTICED YOU POSTED THE AMOUNT OF $40.50 TO BE RETURNED FROM OUT OF THE ORIGINAL FEFF ON MY BEHALF......AND I'M GUESSING THAT TARIQ GAVE YOU THIS FIGURE TO POST......BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T HAVE COME UP WITH THIS FIGURE YOURSELF.......IF YOU DID , THAT WOULD MEAN YOU LIED TO SIS. DESTEE ON HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF THE AMOUNTS MEMBERS GAVE AND AMOUNTS OF BALANCE CHANGES IN THE ORIGINAL FEFF...

SO.....FOR THE SAKE OF LOYALTY & SAVING FACE......I'LL ASSUME TARIQ GAVE YOU THE AMOUNT OF $40.50 TO PRESENT TO DESTEE.....

THIS IS DISTURBING....BUT NOT SURPRISING.......

I SENSE DECEPTION HERE NASHEED.....DO YOU ??

TARIQ GAVE TO ME ON 21 OCT 2009 , THREE BROTHERS CHAT MEMBERS TOTAL DONATIONS......

THAT WOULD BE BRO. LILPEA.......BRO. CLYDE......AND MYSELF....

BRO. LILPEA'S TOTAL..............$200.00
BRO. CLYDE'S TOTAL..............$50.00
MYSELF................................$145.00

TARIQ ONLY GAVE THESE THREE TOTALS BECAUSE ACCORDING TO HIM , THESE THREE WERE THE ONLY ONES IN FAVOR OF HELPING SIS. DESTEE.....

TARIQ ALSO GAVE ME THE ORIGINAL FEFF TOTALS THAT SAME NIGHT.......TOTALS FROM THE NIGHT DESTEE ANNOUNCED SHE WAS SHUTTING DOWN THE FEFF.....AND TOTALS FROM AFTER SHE RECIEVED $330.00.......

THESE AMOUNTS I JUST REVEALED HAVE BEEN POSTED IN AN EARLIER POST......

THE BALANCE IN THE FEFF ON THE NIGHT DESTEE SHUT DOWN THE FEFF , WAS $550.00..............THE BALANCE AFTER SHE RECIEVED $330.00 WAS......$220.00...

THESE FIGURES COME FROM TARIQ......

NOW.....SINCE THE BALANCE IN THE FEFF HAD CHANGED.....THERE WAS NO WAY TO GIVE EVERYONE THEIR WHOLE DOLLAR AMOUNT BACK.....WHICH IS WHAT TARIQ KEPT INSISTING ON.....AND IS THE VERY NATURE OF OUR FALLOUT.........HE FIGURED SINCE A WHOLE DOLLAR AMOUNT COULDNT BE GIVEN BACK TO EVERYONE WHO DONATED......THEN THE MONEY SHOULDN'T GO ANYWHERE.....

THIS IS WHEN I EXPLAINED THE PERCENTAGE SYSTEM TO HIM......AND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.....I FIGURED BRO. LILPEAS SHARE TO THE AMOUNT OF $80.00,,..WHEN TARIQ LEARNED THIS , HE WAS LIVID.....

" THATS ALL THE MONEY !!!!! "........NAWWW....IM GONNA CHANGE THIS !!!!!

HIS WORDS.....AND OF COURSE HE WILL SAY I MISUNDERSTOOD HIM......AND THOSE THAT FOLLOW HIM.....WILL AGREE IM SURE......

NOW.....HERE'S HOW FAIRNESS WORKS NASHEED.....


TAKE BRO. LILPEA'S $200.00.....

DIVIDE IT INTO THE TOTAL OF THE FEFF THE NIGHT DESTEE ANNOUNCED SHUTTING IT DOWN....WHICH IS....$550.00......

THAT GIVES YOU HIS PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL IN THE FEFF........

THEN YOU TAKE THAT PERCENTAGE , DIVIDED IT INTO THE NEW BALANCE OF THE FEFF , WHICH IS $220.00....AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS GIVEN....


550.00 DIV BY 200.00 = 36.36.......THATS 36%

36% OF $220.00 = 79.20...BRO. LILPEA GETS $79.20


I MADE A MISTAKE ON BRO. CLYDE'S FIGURES.....I WAS TYPING ANGRILY AND I WAS MOVING TOO FAST....MY APOLOGIES......BUT HERE'S HIS REAL FIGURES...

TAKE BRO. CLYDE'S $50.00......

550.00 DIV BY 50.00 = 9%

9% OF $220.00 = 19.80......BRO. CLYDE GETS $19.80


NOW MINE IS A BIT COMPLICATED.....BECAUSE TARIQ LIED TO ME ABOUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT I HAD DONATED......HE TOLD ME MY TOTAL WAS $145.00........WHICH IS WHAT I POSTED.....SEVERAL TIMES...BECAUSE I BELIEVED HIM...

BUT....FOR GOOD MEASURE , LETS PROVE THE $40.50 LIE FIRST.....

YOU POSTED THAT MY DOLLAR AMOUNT TO BE DONATED TO SIS. DESTEE IS $40.50....ASSUMING THIS WAS AT TARIQ'S REQUEST.......BECAUSE YOU POSTED THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW ANY DETAILS OF THE ORIGINAL FEFF....

TAKE THE $145.00 TOTAL DONATION TARIQ CLAIMS I GAVE....

550.00 DIV BY 145.00 = 26%

26% OF $220.00 = $57.20

THAT MEANS I WAS OFF BY A FEW DOLLARS ....INITIALLY
BUT NOT NOW.....NO WAY I'M OFF THIS TIME....

AND THIS $57.20 PROVES ONE THING.......TARIQ IS LYING...

BUT...GUESS WHAT NASHEED ?.....I WENT TO MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT...

I CHECKED & RECORDED EACH DONATION I GAVE TO THE ORIGINAL FEFF...

HERE'S WHAT I FOUND :

11 JUNE 2009 .........................$20.00
30 JUNE 2009 .........................$30.00
7 JULY 2009 ...........................$25.00
16 JULY 2009 .........................$20.00
27 JULY 2009 .........................$20.88
4 AUG 2009 ...........................$20.00
2 SEPT 2009 .........................$20.00
26 SEPT 2009 .......................$20.88

TOTAL ..................................$175.00 (considering $1.76 were fees)


550 DIV BY 175.00 = 32%

32% OF $220.00 = 70.40

SO....NOW HERE'S MORE PROOF OF TARIQ LYING , HOLDING BACK INFORMATION , AND FABRICATING IT.....

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR BROS. LILPEA & CLYDE...BUT I CAN PROVIDE ACCURATE FIGURES......MORE IMPORTANTLY , I CAN ADMIT WHEN I MADE A MISTAKE.....AND STEP UP TO THE PLATE TO CORRECT IT....

I'M BETTING TARIQ WILL BLAME BRO. CLYDE FOR HOODWINKING ME INTO THESE FIGURES.......OR HE WILL CLAIM I MISUNDERSTOOD HIM AGAIN ON THE INITIAL FIGURES HE GAVE ME........I COULD GO ON , BUT I WON'T...

I WASN'T WRONG ABOUT DECEPTION.........WAS I ??


WARRIOR

SISTER DESTEE.....

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR INTENSITY IN THIS MATTER , AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.....ESPECIALLY SINCE OTHERS HAVE BEEN PUTTING CLOUDS OF DOUBT ON MY INTEGRITY.....

THERE ARE EVEN SOME WHO BELIEVE I SHOULD HAVE KEPT MY CONCERNS WITHIN BROTHER'S CHAT........YEAH RIGHT.....

IN THE LEAST....THEY COULD HAVE RESPECTED ME ENOUGH TO ASK ME TO PLAY THE FOOL....YANNO ??

BUT TO BRING IT TO THE SAME PLACE WHERE THE DECEPTION I AM FIGHTING IS NOT ONLY SUPPORTED & PROTECTED , BUT NURTURED ????.......HELL NAWW....

IT'S GONNA BE A REAL TRIP WHEN THOSE THAT DOUBTED ME HERE BEGIN TO NOTICE THAT I WAS TELLING THE STRAIGHT-UP TRUTH ALL ALONG......

I CAN ALREADY HEAR THE SONG..........." SMILING FACES "....

WITH ALL THAT SAID SIS. DESTEE.........THANK YOU......SINCERELY....


WARRIOR

Credit Brother Warrior $40.50 and Bro Clyde $12.50. for Premium Membership. You will recieve monies amounting to $53.00.



So that is why Clyde Cooger was
so eager to get Putney Swope to join the fund????????????????????

So that is why Clyde Cooger was
so eager to get Putney Swope to join the fund????????????????????
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE FUND WAS SOMETHING THAT THOUSANDS WERE INVESTING IN

TO HELP POOR BLACK FOLKS ACROSS THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BY DONATING TO VARIOUS ACREDITED AND RESEARCHED BLACK CHARITIES

USING MONEY TO RESTORE MEMBERSHIP?

WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT,

but then again some folks are amazingly consistent, wether to heal the Black community, or harm it

Brother WARRIOR ... thank you for the above.

As I said previously, I'm going to try to piece it all together and re-create what took place, so we can all see.

I called Brother Tariq last night, and he gave me FEFF figures that I wrote down and am trying to cipher, but looking at what you've said above regarding your total contributions, what I wrote isn't matching.

I made some major mistakes with this endeavor, the primary one being that I gave way too much trust in a situation that dictates that trust not be relied upon so heavily, but instead, hard, fast, fact, business acumen, and accountability. Trust is how I've always dealt with Brother's Chat, because I was never in there, and our Brothers do deserve that. It seems that I may need to make some changes, build in some safeguards, etc., for Brother's Chat is truly my blind side (as it relates to areas in this community). Yes, it took trust for a situation like this to even exist, but it should never have been maintained on trust alone, once money was involved. There is no way that I should be coming into a situation like this, on destee, at the tail end, trying to figure out who gave what. That is negligent and unacceptable on my part as a leader of this community. I should have had full access to this information / account / etc., all along, protecting every Member and our integrity, and I failed to do that. Now I'm scrambling to see what happened, begging for information regarding what's taken place on destee, and I have to accept full responsibility for this ... for I gave permission for it to exist. That's my fault Family, and I do apologize, and am working to correct it.

Even though it has