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Music Producer
04-09-2006, 11:47 PM
I have seen many on this forum say the Bible is a book that keeps Africans in bondage or in a state of mind of being un-free or ignorant.

I do agree with this point as to the New Testament but I have yet to see this in the Old Testament.

Could someone please explain how the Old Testament keeps us dumb and ignorant of knowledge and GOD?

uplift19
04-11-2006, 02:04 PM
Well, the Bible includes both, irrespective of what chapter you are referring to.

http://www.noineworleans.org/mttbm/46.html

THE BIBLE

"The original scripture called "The Torah" -- revealed to Musa (Moses) -- was Holy until the Jews and the Christian scholars started tampering with it. Today, the Bible has become a "commercialized book," therefore, many are allowed to rewrite or revise it. I think when it comes to the word of Allah (God) or a book revealed by Him, that word or book is sacred and should be protected from corruption by the hands of people who care nothing for its sacredness. It is like a "rattlesnake" in the hands of my people, for they (most of them) do not understand it.

Some believe (in that story of the Bible) that the black people are a curse of Noah on one of his sons (Ham) because this son laughed at his father’s nakedness while being drunk from wine (Genesis 9:21-25). The black nation has no birth record. There were as many or more black people on our planet in the days of Noah as there are today. The Bible’s record of the flood is 2,348 years before Christ, and if the records are true, we are nearly 4,500 years from Noah’s flood. If there were no black people before Noah, then that wicked people who were destroyed in the flood were white people. And again, if those were of that race, the warning of the destruction of the wicked world by fire the next time is made clearer to those whom that fire will destroy.

The black people, and especially the so-called Negroes, are now in the very area where God has said to me that the fire (often referred to as the "fire of hell" or "hell fire") will begin which will destroy the present wicked white race of America first. The sins of the white race are far worse and more pungent to the nostril of God than the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah! The fire of hell is not intended for the so-called Negroes: only those who, after hearing this teaching of the truth which I am giving to you and the warnings of Allah (God), will willfully hold on to the white race and their religion, Christianity.

The so-called Negroes are made so poisoned by this wicked race of devils that they love them more than they love their own people. It is really because of the evil done to them by the American white race that Allah (God) has but them on His list, as the first to be destroyed. The others will be given a little longer to live, as the prophet Daniel says (7:11, 19 and Rev. 19:20). Believe it, or let it alone, the above refers to America. She is the only white government out of the European race that answers the description of the symbolic Fourth Beast. The so-called Negroes are warned to come out of her (America) (Rev. 18:4), though the truth of Daniel and Revelations could not be told until the time of the end of this prophecy.

The Bible means good if you can rightly understand it. My interpretation of it is given to me from the Lord of the Worlds. Yours is your own and from the enemies of the truth. The so-called Negroes will be the lucky ones, that is, if they stop following and practicing the evils and indecent doings of this wicked and doomed race of devils (whose true self has been a secret for 6,000 years).

So-called Negroes, accept your own God, religion and people so that you may be successful in escaping the fire!"

-From Message to the Blackman by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

SAMURAI36
04-11-2006, 03:39 PM
I can't believe you went here, Sister *Shakes head*

uplift19
04-11-2006, 05:33 PM
I can't believe you went here, Sister *Shakes head*I know, I know. I just started feeling bad that there were no replies, so I thought I'd add some substance....

SAMURAI36
04-11-2006, 05:37 PM
I know, I know. I just started feeling bad that there were no replies, so I thought I'd add some substance....

I actually felt great about that.

I just don't want to see any of us fattening frogs for the snake. This individual is not the slightest bit interested in learning from us, and has admitted this more than once.

You posted some good info here, that other than other people gaining from it, is going to get wasted.

PEACE

uplift19
04-11-2006, 05:41 PM
You posted some good info here, that other than other people gaining from it, is going to get wasted.

PEACEIt was my intent that possibly someone else could gain from it.

Peace

Music Producer
04-11-2006, 09:37 PM
I agree with some points that uplift19 exposed. But I do not give Jews or Christians the authority of being able to edit the Word of GOD. To do this or admit to that is to give them power over GOD, I simply cannot bring myself to commit to that, my faith in GOD is stronger than that.

I know it would be nice if we had someone to blame but the Truth of the matter is GOD explained that this would occur in the event of Judah and the people of Kemet failing to maintain the Covenant and worshiping other gods. When you look at it like that, only our ancestors and we are to blame. Jews and Christians and those that try to alter the Word of GOD are only performing as GOD has made them to perform.

I don’t give Jews, Christians or anyone the authority to work and do independently of GOD nor more then a do Lucifer, it is just not possible.

What we have today is exactly, exactly as the LORD GOD has Willed.

Music Producer
04-11-2006, 09:44 PM
I actually felt great about that.

I just don't want to see any of us fattening frogs for the snake. This individual is not the slightest bit interested in learning from us, and has admitted this more than once.

You posted some good info here, that other than other people gaining from it, is going to get wasted.

PEACE

This individual is not the slightest bit interested in learning from us, and has admitted this more than once.


What exactly is it that you teach?
And please don’t you dare say the Metu Neter. I heard all kinds of things being spoken by Metu Neter followers until I actually got the book and discovered several members on this board were grossly misrepresenting it. Never once does the writer of the Metu Neter speak out against the GOD manifested in the Old Testament but by listening to members on this board represent the book one would definitely get the wrong impression of the author.

So what exactly is it that you so called teach?

SAMURAI36
04-12-2006, 08:08 AM
Go away man. Don't ask me any questions about what I "teach". You wouldn't be able to fathom it, even if I did tell you.

And especially don't speak of the Mesush Netut, or the book about it, that you clearly haven't even read.

Ra Un Nefer Amen makes it perfectly clear in his numerous books, what he thinks of your "God of the Old Testament".

So, instead of focusing on what I teach, maybe you should focus on why it took you making 2 or 3 threads asking the same question, only to get 5 responses.

Focus on what YOU teach, and on why no one here is interested in learning it.

PEACE

cursed heart
04-12-2006, 09:00 AM
I agree with some points that uplift19 exposed. But I do not give Jews or Christians the authority of being able to edit the Word of GOD. To do this or admit to that is to give them power over GOD, I simply cannot bring myself to commit to that, my faith in GOD is stronger than that.

I know it would be nice if we had someone to blame but the Truth of the matter is GOD explained that this would occur in the event of Judah and the people of Kemet failing to maintain the Covenant and worshiping other gods. When you look at it like that, only our ancestors and we are to blame. Jews and Christians and those that try to alter the Word of GOD are only performing as GOD has made them to perform.

I don’t give Jews, Christians or anyone the authority to work and do independently of GOD nor more then a do Lucifer, it is just not possible.

What we have today is exactly, exactly as the LORD GOD has Willed.

This doesn't make sense.
So it's our fault we suffer so?:confused:
If they are constantly altering the word what sense of direction will the follwers have?
My cousin is 50 and she told me the bible we have today is different from the one she had as a little girl.
So why are people editing the bible constantly?
Youn said you don't give authority to those to work independantly of GODno more than Lucifer,it's just not possible,
Explain possession then?
Slavery?
Murderers?
Rapist?
False Prophets?
Are you saying that GOD helped these people to perform such ugly,evil tasks?

Music Producer
04-12-2006, 02:12 PM
Go away man. Don't ask me any questions about what I "teach". You wouldn't be able to fathom it, even if I did tell you.

And especially don't speak of the Mesush Netut, or the book about it, that you clearly haven't even read.

Ra Un Nefer Amen makes it perfectly clear in his numerous books, what he thinks of your "God of the Old Testament".

So, instead of focusing on what I teach, maybe you should focus on why it took you making 2 or 3 threads asking the same question, only to get 5 responses.

Focus on what YOU teach, and on why no one here is interested in learning it.

PEACE
Yea, you are correct, I don’t fathom what you teach because what you teach is of your own imagination but I do have the Metu Neter vol 1 and 2 and I can clearly and literally fathom what it teaches. From what I see of it the perception is a mixture of Egyptian gods and Yoga structured around Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism but all the author of the Metu Neter did was replaced the Hebrew Alphabet (used in Kabbalah to represent the Spheres of Being) with Egyptian deities to form the Tree of Life or the Spheres of Being. That is all the author of the Metu Neter did. The problem with the Metu Neter and what reveals its false-hood is there is absolutely no Egyptian theology that has been dug up out of the earth or written on tablets that authenticates it was indeed practiced and theorized by the people of Kemet.

Until someone discovers the theology found in the Metu Neter written on temple walls or Egyptian coffins or in ancient Egyptian records written by the people of Kemet I can only conclude that the author invented it and made it up through fusing Egyptian gods with modern day religions such as Yoga, Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism.

That is exactly what it is!

I know this because I study religions.

The Egyptians recorded their theology very well and graphically, it can NOT be altered or re-written just because someone learned a few Egyptian words.

If I am wrong then you point me to some information or ancient Kemet text that supports the theology, concepts and theories found in the Metu Neter.

And I will not go away.

uplift19
04-12-2006, 02:16 PM
You are making some interesting claims here that it would behoove you to back up if anyone was to take you seriously. According to you:
The Egyptians recorded their theology very well and graphically...So, as a student of religion, what in your mind constitutes Egyptian/Kemitic Theology? What is your definition?

SAMURAI36
04-12-2006, 02:18 PM
You are making some interesting claims here that it would behoove you to back up if anyone was to take you seriously. According to you:
So, as a student of religion, what in your mind constitutes Egyptian/Kemitic Theology? What is your definition?

You don't know already? Sure you do, but let me refresh your mental:

AnkhenAten "saved" the "Egyptians" from themselves, by introducing them to the "God of the Old Testament".

How dare you not remember, heathen!!! :whip:

uplift19
04-12-2006, 02:25 PM
You don't know already? Sure you do, but let me refresh your mental:

AnkhenAten "saved" the "Egyptians" from themselves, by introducing them to the "God of the Old Testament".

How dare you not remember, heathen!!! :whip: LOL, wow...is it that obvious I don't read his posts?

I apologize, oh wise one, for not heeding to this commandment. I will gladly take my 13 lashes of shame, for I am but a lowly heathen :spank:

:laugh:

SAMURAI36
04-12-2006, 02:26 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Music Producer
04-12-2006, 03:31 PM
This doesn't make sense.
So it's our fault we suffer so?:confused:
If they are constantly altering the word what sense of direction will the follwers have?
My cousin is 50 and she told me the bible we have today is different from the one she had as a little girl.
So why are people editing the bible constantly?
Youn said you don't give authority to those to work independantly of GODno more than Lucifer,it's just not possible,
Explain possession then?
Slavery?
Murderers?
Rapist?
False Prophets?
Are you saying that GOD helped these people to perform such ugly,evil tasks?

This doesn't make sense.
So it's our fault we suffer so?

Yes, our ancestors entered into an agreement with the GOD of the earth. GOD laid out all of the stipulations of this agreement and our ancestors agreed to each and every one. The agreement applies to all generations of that bloodline and the stranger who so journeyed. Our failure to uphold this agreement is why Kemet, Israel and Judah was laid waste, all which were nations and kingdoms created and run by African tribes. In those days the entire region was all inhabited by African tribes.


If they are constantly altering the word what sense of direction will the follwers have?

The Specific Word of GOD continues to be the same. It is their unholy perception that is published and used to confound the Specific Word of GOD. Although recently I have seen some altercations but they attribute it to translation. A KJV Bible and a Bible that is translated directly from Hebrew to English need to be studied back to back. Stay away from these new Bibles, the older the translation the better. To go deeper and get a better understanding learn to read Hebrew.


My cousin is 50 and she told me the bible we have today is different from the one she had as a little girl.

I agree, you can see this in simply reading the NIV and the KJV. The writers of the NIV have actually made the book reflect their own belief just like in PS 2 the writer of the KJV made it reflect their own belief from inserting the word Son as apposed to the Hebrew word reference as a (plural) format such as bigg(er), fatt(er), light(er). The word Son does not appear in the Hebrew of PS 2:12, but it reflects a Servant of Jesus’ belief system. When you read such books you have to realize and maintain a conscious that you are reading the book from the point of view of the people that expressed or translated it.


So why are people editing the bible constantly?

Evil.
Just like the people that follow the Metu Neter, they are willing to alter or add to a well documented Egyptian Theology in order to integrate their own imagination into it. Servants of Jesus do the same thing when they alter the Old Testament doctrine to integrate their own imagination of Jesus. The problem with doing this is one runs the risk of offending GOD, but GOD combats this through revealing their attempts through revealing their evil in a detailed reading of the text ( if you desire I can show you some examples).


Youn said you don't give authority to those to work independantly of GODno more than Lucifer,it's just not possible,
Explain possession then?

True possession of a human host by an evil or good spirit is only authorized by GOD.

1Sam:16:14: But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1Kgs:22:22: And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

I know you see a lot of junk on TV or at the movies but these possessions are questionable. Remember it is just like rap music, it is entertainment.


Slavery?
Murderers?
Rapist?
False Prophets?
Are you saying that GOD helped these people to perform such ugly,evil tasks?

These come from disobedience to the Specific Word of GOD which is the beginning of evil manifested in the earth.

Music Producer
04-12-2006, 04:28 PM
You are making some interesting claims here that it would behoove you to back up if anyone was to take you seriously. According to you:
So, as a student of religion, what in your mind constitutes Egyptian/Kemitic Theology? What is your definition?
Chaos, in studying Egyptian theology over it’s spread of time it winds up being chaos. It was only defined by what the particular Pharaoh or King believed in. From the Pyramid text you see the first creation story and the order of it but as you continue to follow it in time one begins to see multiple creation stories and new deities began to surface.

Atum gets replaced by Amun and then you began to see gods interchanged and integrated as time went on. These later Kemet theologies probably starting before the Pyramid text was a corruption just like today we have Jesus being integrated with GOD, we have Monotheism being attacked by Polytheism, the same theological history occurred in Egypt.

The oldest thus far as the Pyramid text dictates is Atum rising from Nun on the benben (Holy Mound) and creating Shu and Tefnut, who gave birth to Geb and Nut, who gave birth to Osiris, Isis, Set and Nephthys. From this point one begans to witness a corruption and a lack of loyalty. I suspect Atum = Aten = Adon = YH = The GOD manifested in the Old Testament was the original Monotheistic One GOD and Shu, Tefnut etc were Sons of GOD as presented in the Old Testament.

But to purely define the Egyptian theology is not possible because we have a history of it that covers about 4000 years. With wars, changing of power and foreign invasion it would be natural to see the corruption of theology. I suspect Akhenaten was simply trying to return Kemet back to the original Monotheistic faith that he may have had excess to ancient writings stemming from Ethiopia and information back before Kemet was called Kemet.

It is believed that Akhenaten’s mother was the pure monotheist and she was pure Ethiopian.

Music Producer
04-12-2006, 04:32 PM
You don't know already? Sure you do, but let me refresh your mental:

AnkhenAten "saved" the "Egyptians" from themselves, by introducing them to the "God of the Old Testament".

How dare you not remember, heathen!!! :whip:
See how theology gets corrupted?

People just like you who try to shrub hard core facts off by altering them because it doesn’t agree with what you have been taught.

But your jokes are squashed by the fact my point continues to be valid.

Nothing has been found in Egyptology that supports what the author of the Metu Neter presents, no text, no drawings of the Tree, no Sphere drawing, no nothing and you and I both know if the people of Kemet practiced it as part of their religion they would have wrote it in stone but you have nothing verifying the theology of the Metu Neter is of Egyptian origin.

Until then joke all you want.
:thinking:

You being hustled and you have become apart of that hustle because of your lack of knowledge.

SAMURAI36
04-12-2006, 04:55 PM
See Sister UPLIFT, I told ya. :fyi:

Music Producer
04-12-2006, 07:38 PM
See Sister UPLIFT, I told ya. :fyi:
Yea, you told her a lie.

I never said Akhenaten saved Egypt.

Does this reflect your ability to comprehend Metu Neter?
If so, I see why you are unable to present a good debate.

cursed heart
04-12-2006, 10:17 PM
Yes, our ancestors entered into an agreement with the GOD of the earth. GOD laid out all of the stipulations of this agreement and our ancestors agreed to each and every one. The agreement applies to all generations of that bloodline and the stranger who so journeyed. Our failure to uphold this agreement is why Kemet, Israel and Judah was laid waste, all which were nations and kingdoms created and run by African tribes. In those days the entire region was all inhabited by African tribes.


The Specific Word of GOD continues to be the same. It is their unholy perception that is published and used to confound the Specific Word of GOD. Although recently I have seen some altercations but they attribute it to translation. A KJV Bible and a Bible that is translated directly from Hebrew to English need to be studied back to back. Stay away from these new Bibles, the older the translation the better. To go deeper and get a better understanding learn to read Hebrew.


I agree, you can see this in simply reading the NIV and the KJV. The writers of the NIV have actually made the book reflect their own belief just like in PS 2 the writer of the KJV made it reflect their own belief from inserting the word Son as apposed to the Hebrew word reference as a (plural) format such as bigg(er), fatt(er), light(er). The word Son does not appear in the Hebrew of PS 2:12, but it reflects a Servant of Jesus’ belief system. When you read such books you have to realize and maintain a conscious that you are reading the book from the point of view of the people that expressed or translated it.


Evil.
Just like the people that follow the Metu Neter, they are willing to alter or add to a well documented Egyptian Theology in order to integrate their own imagination into it. Servants of Jesus do the same thing when they alter the Old Testament doctrine to integrate their own imagination of Jesus. The problem with doing this is one runs the risk of offending GOD, but GOD combats this through revealing their attempts through revealing their evil in a detailed reading of the text ( if you desire I can show you some examples).


True possession of a human host by an evil or good spirit is only authorized by GOD.

1Sam:16:14: But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1Kgs:22:22: And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

I know you see a lot of junk on TV or at the movies but these possessions are questionable. Remember it is just like rap music, it is entertainment.


These come from disobedience to the Specific Word of GOD which is the beginning of evil manifested in the earth.

Music producer can I ask you something because I am a virgin to your knowledge.
What is your faith and religion,spirituality?
I'm asking you this because I would like to know what is the truth?
If you dispute different testaments of the bible and metu meter where does that leave you ?
I am asking because i donot follow simply because someone tells me to.
But i am open to acknowledging and understanding your reason and truth.
I hope this makes sense to you.
Much respect for you because when it's all said and done only the heart will conquer.

Music Producer
04-12-2006, 11:22 PM
Music producer can I ask you something because I am a virgin to your knowledge.
What is your faith and religion,spirituality?
I'm asking you this because I would like to know what is the truth?
If you dispute different testaments of the bible and metu meter where does that leave you ?
I am asking because i donot follow simply because someone tells me to.
But i am open to acknowledging and understanding your reason and truth.
I hope this makes sense to you.
Much respect for you because when it's all said and done only the heart will conquer.
In my journey when I first picked up the Bible it was chaos, crazy and contradictory. Due to my background I believed in GOD and continue to believe in GOD, basically I went into wanting to understand the Bible with a basic faith and belief in GOD already intact, I just had no clear perception or definition of it.

In the beginning the Bible was indeed contradictory especially when I tried to keep my perception of the New Testament and Jesus’ roll. As I was reading, studying and yes praying and asking GOD for guidance it hit me. It was revealed to me why the Bible was contradicting itself. I had been taught from my youth to believe and perceive the entire Bible as the Word of GOD and that GOD only does good, this thought pattern is a fault that was taught by Conquers that had learned how to infiltrate religion / culture in order to destroy that culture or gain control of it.

The only thing that GOD can be accountable for is what GOD Himself is depicted as Speaking with HIS own Breath and HIS own Doing. The only absolute and Divine information in the Bible are passages or information that is written as “Thus saith the LORD” or “The LORD said unto me” or anything that shows GOD Himself Speaking and Committing, anything else is man.

When you restrict your faith to only those Divine Breaths you will began to perceive the Bible in a new light that causes the New Testament and the Koran or any other book that was written in the days before GOD began hiding HIS Face to be seen as a test from GOD proving who has the ability to respect, love, and embrace HIS Word over the words of men.

Jer:17:10: I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

As you can see that is Spoken in First Person Point of view as being GOD. This means GOD Judges us through our own confession, commitment and religious devotion to other gods or deities, doctrines that we have placed over or above HIS own.

GOD has HIS own Philosophy, Doctrine, History and Belief System. Anything else that involves the GOD of the Old Testament is a challenge to that.

What is your faith and religion,spirituality?

Study GOD and maintain your faith in GOD. I read the KJV Bible along with the Torah and Tanach or English Bible. I also have several programs that when I see confusion in Jewish Bibles and the KJV Bible I resort to the Hebrew Text.

I'm asking you this because I would like to know what is the truth?

Passages in the Bible or any books that was written in the days when man feared GOD that is written as GOD Himself Speaking. You must learn to base your entire perception on that, no matter what others present to you.

If you dispute different testaments of the bible and metu meter where does that leave you ?

In a faith that describes me as a Human Being. Your GOD should tell you why you are a descendant of slaves. Your GOD should explain to you why you are in a strange land serving the very people that enslaved you. Your GOD should tell you why your people are subjects of heathen religions. Your GOD should tell you the hidden secrets of your people past and history, even future. The Old Testament does all of this when read from an African Tribal perspective. No other book stands alone to accomplish that.

I am asking because i donot follow simply because someone tells me to.
But i am open to acknowledging and understanding your reason and truth.
I hope this makes since to you.

You are taking the first steps in becoming an individual that follows GOD not a group or sect of an invented faith. Start studying and reading and pay close attention to the Specific Word of GOD. What helped me a lot was I purchased a Bible from Fanklin Bookman in a small electronic form. This allowed me to read while on my everyday routine such as riding the buss, waiting for the buss or waiting in a line, what ever, I could pull out my small Bookman and read. Before I knew it I had read the entire Bible. From there just start studying, but it is imperative that you learn the Old Testament inside and out through pure reading. Those Bookman Bibles don’t have all of that extra text inserted by Servants of Jesus or man, it allows you to read the Bible uninterrupted or unexposed to suggestive text or beliefs.

Peace and go with GOD.

omowalejabali
11-06-2006, 06:49 PM
Yea, you are correct, I don’t fathom what you teach because what you teach is of your own imagination but I do have the Metu Neter vol 1 and 2 and I can clearly and literally fathom what it teaches. From what I see of it the perception is a mixture of Egyptian gods and Yoga structured around Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism but all the author of the Metu Neter did was replaced the Hebrew Alphabet (used in Kabbalah to represent the Spheres of Being) with Egyptian deities to form the Tree of Life or the Spheres of Being. That is all the author of the Metu Neter did. The problem with the Metu Neter and what reveals its false-hood is there is absolutely no Egyptian theology that has been dug up out of the earth or written on tablets that authenticates it was indeed practiced and theorized by the people of Kemet.

Until someone discovers the theology found in the Metu Neter written on temple walls or Egyptian coffins or in ancient Egyptian records written by the people of Kemet I can only conclude that the author invented it and made it up through fusing Egyptian gods with modern day religions such as Yoga, Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism.

That is exactly what it is!

I know this because I study religions.

The Egyptians recorded their theology very well and graphically, it can NOT be altered or re-written just because someone learned a few Egyptian words.

If I am wrong then you point me to some information or ancient Kemet text that supports the theology, concepts and theories found in the Metu Neter.

And I will not go away.


Quote:

"That is exactly what it is!"

And a poor copy-cat job at that!

SAMURAI36
11-13-2006, 11:50 AM
Quote:

"That is exactly what it is!"

And a poor copy-cat job at that!

Oh but wait, I thought you claimed that you are still studying???

A proper scientific approach to any literature, is to perform all studies thoroughly, before coming to a conclusion.....

Something does not smell right in OMO-world. :?:

ANUK_AUSAR
11-13-2006, 02:58 PM
Oh but wait, I thought you claimed that you are still studying???

A proper scientific approach to any literature, is to perform all studies thoroughly, before coming to a conclusion.....

Something does not smell right in OMO-world. :?:

No no no my brother...

You misunderstand it...

He stopped, and then started back again...

Just because it's a poor copy-cat job, does not mean that something useful can't be gotten out of it, even if he knows where all the useful parts came from, and can easily place them *right back* in their more useful original context...

HMPH....

OmowaleX
11-13-2006, 03:04 PM
Well, the Bible includes both, irrespective of what chapter you are referring to.

http://www.noineworleans.org/mttbm/46.html

THE BIBLE

"The original scripture called "The Torah" -- revealed to Musa (Moses) -- was Holy until the Jews and the Christian scholars started tampering with it. Today, the Bible has become a "commercialized book," therefore, many are allowed to rewrite or revise it. I think when it comes to the word of Allah (God) or a book revealed by Him, that word or book is sacred and should be protected from corruption by the hands of people who care nothing for its sacredness. It is like a "rattlesnake" in the hands of my people, for they (most of them) do not understand it.

Some believe (in that story of the Bible) that the black people are a curse of Noah on one of his sons (Ham) because this son laughed at his father’s nakedness while being drunk from wine (Genesis 9:21-25). The black nation has no birth record. There were as many or more black people on our planet in the days of Noah as there are today. The Bible’s record of the flood is 2,348 years before Christ, and if the records are true, we are nearly 4,500 years from Noah’s flood. If there were no black people before Noah, then that wicked people who were destroyed in the flood were white people. And again, if those were of that race, the warning of the destruction of the wicked world by fire the next time is made clearer to those whom that fire will destroy.

The black people, and especially the so-called Negroes, are now in the very area where God has said to me that the fire (often referred to as the "fire of hell" or "hell fire") will begin which will destroy the present wicked white race of America first. The sins of the white race are far worse and more pungent to the nostril of God than the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah! The fire of hell is not intended for the so-called Negroes: only those who, after hearing this teaching of the truth which I am giving to you and the warnings of Allah (God), will willfully hold on to the white race and their religion, Christianity.

The so-called Negroes are made so poisoned by this wicked race of devils that they love them more than they love their own people. It is really because of the evil done to them by the American white race that Allah (God) has but them on His list, as the first to be destroyed. The others will be given a little longer to live, as the prophet Daniel says (7:11, 19 and Rev. 19:20). Believe it, or let it alone, the above refers to America. She is the only white government out of the European race that answers the description of the symbolic Fourth Beast. The so-called Negroes are warned to come out of her (America) (Rev. 18:4), though the truth of Daniel and Revelations could not be told until the time of the end of this prophecy.

The Bible means good if you can rightly understand it. My interpretation of it is given to me from the Lord of the Worlds. Yours is your own and from the enemies of the truth. The so-called Negroes will be the lucky ones, that is, if they stop following and practicing the evils and indecent doings of this wicked and doomed race of devils (whose true self has been a secret for 6,000 years).

So-called Negroes, accept your own God, religion and people so that you may be successful in escaping the fire!"

-From Message to the Blackman by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad


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