In the Old Testament, God, indeed, has a form.

At least one person has stated, God can assume ANY form.

Well, please, tell me, what "form/forms" has He assumed?

The idea that God can assume any form directly contradicts the idea that he does not change. We don't get the idea that God does not change from the Bible but from the Hermetic (Tehuti) principles written thousands of years before the bible.

God does not have an intrinsic form which goes through intrinsic changes to suit the occassion. But like the blue of the sky is just an optic illussion created by looking through white light at the blackness of outerspace, so the "forms" of God exists not in his being but in our optic, spiritual and mental perception and experience of him.

The idea that God can assume any form directly contradicts the idea that he does not change. We don't get the idea that God does not change from the Bible but from the Hermetic (Tehuti) principles written thousands of years before the bible.

God does not have an intrinsic form which goes through intrinsic changes to suit the occassion. But like the blue of the sky is just an optic illussion created by looking through white light at the blackness of outerspace, so the "forms" of God exists not in his being but in our optic, spiritual and mental perception and experience of him.
How can you change when you are already that change?

In the Old Testament, God, indeed, has a form.

At least one person has stated, God can assume ANY form.

Well, please, tell me, what "form/forms" has He assumed?

I gather you are a follower if NOI teachings. Correct me if I'm wrong. As their theology states: there have been succession of gods throughout time, each having unique/different characteristics, hence; the different forms he takes. I don't believe in a 'spirit' god,and yes I do believe he is a physical being, if not, how will we bear witness to his glorious return that is so spoken of?:confused:

In the Old Testament, God, indeed, has a form.

At least one person has stated, God can assume ANY form.

Well, please, tell me, what "form/forms" has He assumed?

Jer:10:16: The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer:51:19: The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.


GOD is all forms.

From my remembrance HE assumed the form of Voice, Mist/Smoke, Fire.

I gather you are a follower if NOI teachings. Correct me if I'm wrong. As their theology states: there have been succession of gods throughout time, each having unique/different characteristics, hence; the different forms he takes. I don't believe in a 'spirit' god,and yes I do believe he is a physical being, if not, how will we bear witness to his glorious return that is so spoken of?:confused:
You are confusing GOD with an instrument. No matter how great the True Messiah will be, one of his logical and acceptable reasoning that will keep the True Messiah grounded is he will know and understand that he is only a Servant of GOD as a tool or instrument performing the LORD Will.

Your post doesn't really relate to my point. So how do these instruments communicate with this 'spirit God'? What is your definition of GOD then?

From my remembrance HE assumed the form of Voice, Mist/Smoke, Fire.

PLEASE, PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

[QUOTE=spicybrown] So how do these instruments communicate with this 'spirit God'? QUOTE]

EXCELLENT QUESTION.

From my remembrance HE assumed the form of Voice, Mist/Smoke, Fire.

Where are you recalling this memory from? Also, aren't fire and smoke both materials (physical)?

Where are you recalling this memory from? Also, aren't fire and smoke both materials (physical)?

This is fallacy.

According to the Bible,He did not appear AS anything.

He appeared IN them.

God NEVER appeasred AS anything!

Your post doesn't really relate to my point. So how do these instruments communicate with this 'spirit God'? What is your definition of GOD then?
How did any king of Judah communicate with GOD?

You will find your answer through studying the Old Testament. GOD Spoke to the Tribe Levi (The Priest Tribe). The king would receive the Word of GOD from the Levite. This is the LAW of this condition.

Deu 18:
16: According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17: And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18: I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

When the Levite Spoke in the name of GOD they would decree “Thus saith the LORD” or “The LORD said unto me”. Any information written in those days that is decreed as GOD Himself Speaking the Words is the only Absolute Truth.

That is why you do not see this Decree in the New Testament nor the Koran because those books where not written by the Chosen Priest Tribe, Levi. They are built on words that are without GOD.

How did any king of Judah communicate with GOD?

You will find your answer through studying the Old Testament. GOD Spoke to the Tribe Levi (The Priest Tribe). The king would receive the Word of GOD from the Levite. This is the LAW of this condition.

Deu 18:
16: According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17: And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18: I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

When the Levite Spoke in the name of GOD they would decree “Thus saith the LORD” or “The LORD said unto me”. Any information written in those days that is decreed as GOD Himself Speaking the Words is the only Absolute Truth.

That is why you do not see this Decree in the New Testament nor the Koran because those books where not written by the Chosen Priest Tribe, Levi. They are built on words that are without GOD.

I don't understand all the: thee,thou, shineth, whineth, budda, "eth" type words you post all the time. Not my cup'o'tea. As much as I would like to respect your word, I simply can't, because what you bring is usually someone elses word. If you are such a Bible scholar, why can't you translate the confusion to make common sense. This is why spiritual heads lose their credibility-lack of explanation

"GOD Spoke to the Tribe Levi (The Priest Tribe). The king would receive the Word of GOD from the Levite. This is the LAW of this condition."

Maybe God was a man who passed the message onto Levi, who in turn passed it to the King?!

What is so unfathomable about God being a flesh human. Nobody prove through the Bible that God is not human, but only that they are convinced he is:ghost:

I don't understand all the: thee,thou, shineth, whineth, budda, "eth" type words you post all the time. Not my cup'o'tea. As much as I would like to respect your word, I simply can't, because what you bring is usually someone elses word. If you are such a Bible scholar, why can't you translate the confusion to make common sense. This is why spiritual heads lose their credibility-lack of explanation

"GOD Spoke to the Tribe Levi (The Priest Tribe). The king would receive the Word of GOD from the Levite. This is the LAW of this condition."

Maybe God was a man who passed the message onto Levi, who in turn passed it to the King?!

What is so unfathomable about God being a flesh human. Nobody prove through the Bible that God is not human, but only that they are convinced he is:ghost:
Deu 4:
15: Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:
16: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17: The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
18: The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:
19: And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
20: But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

It is not to say GOD will not take the form of a man or woman. But it is to say if GOD did this HE would not revealed Himself as GOD to the earth in that form. Reason being is that form becomes a source of idolatry.

Servants of Jesus prove this point.

PLEASE, PROVIDE EVIDENCE.
Gen:3:8: And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

The Voice of the LORD GOD is a Manifestation of GOD.

1Kgs:8:10: And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD,

1Kgs:8:11: So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.

Num:14:14: And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.

Those would be the major or main manifestations of GOD that I remember.

Gen:3:8: And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

The Voice of the LORD GOD is a Manifestation of GOD.

:laugh: Have you ever seen a walking voice???

The other passages you mentioned were metaphorical rather than literal.

Who is that :ghost: god anyway? Maybe he should rule the world of :ghost: and let a man deal with the affairs of men.

But seriously,

You have picked a bad translation. Here is the same verse in different versions:

New International Version
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.


Young's Literal Translation
8And they hear the sound of Jehovah God walking up and down in the garden at the breeze of the day, and the man and his wife hide themselves from the face of Jehovah God in the midst of the trees of the garden

Wonder what the original Hebrew said :book: ???

From my remembrance HE assumed the form of Voice, Mist/Smoke, Fire.

Please, provide evidence, what you state is TRUE.

:laugh: Have you ever seen a walking voice???

The other passages you mentioned were metaphorical rather than literal.

Who is that :ghost: god anyway? Maybe he should rule the world of :ghost: and let a man deal with the affairs of men.
I did not show you the passages for your approval. A metaphoric belief is no different from non belief. Servants of Jesus use the term metaphoric when asked about why Jesus did not build the Temple of the LORD as described in Ezekiel.

Metaphoric is simply another word for non-belief.

Please, provide evidence, what you state is TRUE.
How can you ask for evidence from a system you don’t believe in?

I did not show you the passages for your approval. A metaphoric belief is no different from non belief. Servants of Jesus use the term metaphoric when asked about why Jesus did not build the Temple of the LORD as described in Ezekiel.

Metaphoric is simply another word for non-belief.

How can you ask for evidence from a system you don’t believe in?


I was not giving my approval or disapproval, I was simply trying to reason with you. The bible does say:

Isaiah 1:18 - Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD. . .

The word "metaphor" appears nowhere in the bible. If you suggest that it does, can you provide me with the verse so that I may read it for myself?

From my understanding, metaphor means (this is from the dictionary):

A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in “a sea of troubles."

OR

One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol: “Hollywood has always been an irresistible, prefabricated metaphor for the crass, the materialistic, the shallow, and the craven” (Neal Gabler).

The word "metaphor" appears nowhere in the bible. If you suggest that it does, can you provide me with the verse so that I may read it for myself?

From my understanding, metaphor means (this is from the dictionary):

A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in “a sea of troubles."

OR

One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol: “Hollywood has always been an irresistible, prefabricated metaphor for the crass, the materialistic, the shallow, and the craven” (Neal Gabler).

Precisely.

Don't you just love how Some Bible literalists attempt to make up the meanings of things, in order to fit it within their limited understandings?

:idea:

PEACE

Hotep

Every thing in the univirse is "Energy" and what ever is matter is only "Energy" slowed down to form a vapor, gas, liquid, solid or anything in between...yet "Still" are only "Energy" with out exception. What do "We" or any one of us truly know about "Self"?? This question can "Never" be over-looked or skiped over...and foolishly think we will find the answers to any thing of "Right-Knowledge" what so ever...we can only "Fool" our self. People Know (Your) Thy Self. And then and only then will you know G-d* The so-called "Bible" is only something that is taken from the "Origenal" sacraed writings or "Medu Neter"...that was tens of thousands of years old (ancient) before the so-called "Europeans" stole parts of it and later gave it to (you) their "Slaves" so that they would continue to "Control" their (Africans in America) Minds. Any one who is concidering calling or is calling themself a follower or so-called believer of these teachings is "Foolish" (IF) they don't go into a deep study of it's origens. You will find that it did not come from the Creator but from (the invading Europeans) so-called "White" men who stole it and currupted the "Truth" from it's origenal form to control the masses and put them in a "Fine-House" (church building) to make them think they are on the road to "Success". What is true is true...what is false is false no matter how meny are following eaither. Look around you while you are in europes house's of worship...and see the "Hypocricy", perversion, decite and out right fanticy in place ot "Right Knowledge". If you don't know they will not tell you and you will never know any thing if it is up to them. The "Proof" is!...You don't know G-d and no one you know knows any more than you do because they are tought by the "Same" teachers who have deceived "All" who follow them in their "Wickedness" and "Lies".

Ase`

Hotep

Every thing in the univirse is "Energy" and what ever is matter is only "Energy" slowed down to form a vapor, gas, liquid, solid or anything in between...yet "Still" are only "Energy" with out exception. What do "We" or any one of us truly know about "Self"?? This question can "Never" be over-looked or skiped over...and foolishly think we will find the answers to any thing of "Right-Knowledge" what so ever...we can only "Fool" our self. People Know (Your) Thy Self. And then and only then will you know G-d* The so-called "Bible" is only something that is taken from the "Origenal" sacraed writings or "Medu Neter"...that was tens of thousands of years old (ancient) before the so-called "Europeans" stole parts of it and later gave it to (you) their "Slaves" so that they would continue to "Control" their (Africans in America) Minds. Any one who is concidering calling or is calling themself a follower or so-called believer of these teachings is "Foolish" (IF) they don't go into a deep study of it's origens. You will find that it did not come from the Creator but from (the invading Europeans) so-called "White" men who stole it and currupted the "Truth" from it's origenal form to control the masses and put them in a "Fine-House" (church building) to make them think they are on the road to "Success". What is true is true...what is false is false no matter how meny are following eaither. Look around you while you are in europes house's of worship...and see the "Hypocricy", perversion, decite and out right fanticy in place ot "Right Knowledge". If you don't know they will not tell you and you will never know any thing if it is up to them. The "Proof" is!...You don't know G-d and no one you know knows any more than you do because they are tought by the "Same" teachers who have deceived "All" who follow them in their "Wickedness" and "Lies".

Ase`
Akhenaten may have encountered GOD and the GOD that Speaks and is Manifested in the Old Testament is the prime of Akhenaten’s vision.

What you speak applies to the New Testament and Koran.

I was not giving my approval or disapproval, I was simply trying to reason with you. The bible does say:

Isaiah 1:18 - Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD. . .

The word "metaphor" appears nowhere in the bible. If you suggest that it does, can you provide me with the verse so that I may read it for myself?

From my understanding, metaphor means (this is from the dictionary):

A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in “a sea of troubles."

OR

One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol: “Hollywood has always been an irresistible, prefabricated metaphor for the crass, the materialistic, the shallow, and the craven” (Neal Gabler).
It is not possible to reason with a person about The Word of GOD when that person doesn’t believe in GOD.

It is not possible to reason with a person about The Word of GOD when that person doesn’t believe in GOD.

But you do agree that reason is possible?

Who are you suggesting doesn't believe in God? I don't think anyone said that. Why do you make that assumption?

By definition, this is not a prerequisite for reasoning anyway. According to the definition of the word:

reason: to determine or conclude by logical thinking

It is not possible to reason with a person about The Word of GOD when that person doesn’t believe in GOD.


Amen, Brother.

This is exactly why I don't defend/explain my beliefs here or anywhere.

If my "reasoning" or "discernment," along with my FAITH, tells me that the Bible is God's Word, then there is no "debate" in that.

Not for me.

Others may try to "show and prove" whatever they want to; but "I SHALL NOT BE MOVED."