dustyelbow
03-22-2006, 12:06 PM
1 Corithians Chapter 12 28: And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Over and over here and all around I hear those outside the church say that church would be okay (inviting) only if their pastor was up to their own approval. Even inside the church this message resonate from a vocal few in secret.
There is people inside and outside the church who say pastors are crooks and hypocrits.
They site examples of black clergyman such as Creflo Dollar, Eddie Bishop Long, TD Jakes who are giants to their members but due to their "activities" outside their church they have become targets of criticism.
Well, this verse above is said by Paul the Apostle and use it to ask if your church has these.
This is for those "in" and "out" the church.
Who are your apostles? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your prophets? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your teachers? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your miracle makers? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who have the gift of healing? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your helps? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your governments? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who possesses diversities of tongues? Why don't you and your church have any?
If your church has all the following, please give your church name and address whereever in the world and I will make a personal visit.
Otherwise,
Maybe before we criticize the pastor(s) maybe the church needs to lay out who is what and work towards it. Remember Paul said God set forth, that means the members of the church should be at least one of each of the questions above thus not burdening the "pastor" with all the problems with the church.
If you study the life of slavery in the New World, the church as Paul said it in the verse above, you can 'see' how this all came together for the enslaved African. He/she was able to point out who had each of these gifts in their church. They 'knew' amoung themselves who were miracle makers, who were helps, who had gifts of healing, etc all without that "college degree." Today it is lost, I wonder why?
Over and over here and all around I hear those outside the church say that church would be okay (inviting) only if their pastor was up to their own approval. Even inside the church this message resonate from a vocal few in secret.
There is people inside and outside the church who say pastors are crooks and hypocrits.
They site examples of black clergyman such as Creflo Dollar, Eddie Bishop Long, TD Jakes who are giants to their members but due to their "activities" outside their church they have become targets of criticism.
Well, this verse above is said by Paul the Apostle and use it to ask if your church has these.
This is for those "in" and "out" the church.
Who are your apostles? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your prophets? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your teachers? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your miracle makers? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who have the gift of healing? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your helps? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who are your governments? Why don't you and your church have any?
Who possesses diversities of tongues? Why don't you and your church have any?
If your church has all the following, please give your church name and address whereever in the world and I will make a personal visit.
Otherwise,
Maybe before we criticize the pastor(s) maybe the church needs to lay out who is what and work towards it. Remember Paul said God set forth, that means the members of the church should be at least one of each of the questions above thus not burdening the "pastor" with all the problems with the church.
If you study the life of slavery in the New World, the church as Paul said it in the verse above, you can 'see' how this all came together for the enslaved African. He/she was able to point out who had each of these gifts in their church. They 'knew' amoung themselves who were miracle makers, who were helps, who had gifts of healing, etc all without that "college degree." Today it is lost, I wonder why?