I have began to embark on studying the various books by Ra Un Nefer Amen as well as my own independent studies of various ATR's and such.I want to know if anyone here knows of any certain methods to study these things or mindsets one should have while embarking on such a journey.

Congrats on your new journey, brother!!

For one thing, do away with ALL the notions about religion, GOD, and the like that you have had thus far. Or at least set them aside. Resist the urge to compare ATR's with the 3 major religions. You have to remember, that the latters came from the formers, and not vice versa.

Also, clear your mind on a personal level, when beginning to study. Leave all the issues that you went through today behind.

It would help if you are beginning to clean up your diet, if you haven't done so already. That's going to be very important along the way.

And NEVER be afraid to ask questions, from those of us who have knowledge on on this subject. Wise council is always beneficial.

May you be at PEACE, and let us know how things turn out.....There are others here who are in the same boat as you are (as a neophyte), and I'm sure that they will benefit from you sharing your new experiences.

SHEM HOTEPU

I have began to embark on studying the various books by Ra Un Nefer Amen as well as my own independent studies of various ATR's and such.I want to know if anyone here knows of any certain methods to study these things or mindsets one should have while embarking on such a journey.


i been at it for a minute and i have not worked that out yet.
i take three steps forward and two steps back.
there are some around that are much deeper than myself so they can give you some advice.

Thanks to the both of you Samurai and Jamesfrmphilly.

I have began to embark on studying the various books by Ra Un Nefer Amen as well as my own independent studies of various ATR's and such.I want to know if anyone here knows of any certain methods to study these things or mindsets one should have while embarking on such a journey.


If may ask what is this ( ATR'S ) ??

If may ask what is this ( ATR'S ) ??
Afrikan Traditional Religions.:book:

Afrikan Traditional Religions.:book:

Thank you ... I'm studying diffrent Religions and Culture ,
Can you share some knowledge about ( ATR'S ) .

Again thankyou for your help .

Thank you ... I'm studying diffrent Religions and Culture ,
Can you share some knowledge about ( ATR'S ) .

Again thankyou for your help .
Brotha Khonsu.

For some of the deepest discussions abotu ATR on this site you would do well to look up threads bhy brotha Sekhemu. He has excellent information both in this forum and in the PanAfrican forum.

Also brotha Samurai has some good stuff about ancient Kemet (Egypt) and Kemetic spirituality which is what the Metu Neter is based on.

I'm glad to have found this thread because Brother James peaked my curiousity about it last week when he made a comment about it in another thread.

I'm here to learn what I can and hope that Brother Sekhemu and others who are students of this will join in the discussion.

Peace,
Queenie :heart:

I ordered mine a few days ago!
Brothers I want to ask what are oracle cards used for?

I ordered mine a few days ago!
Brothers I want to ask what are oracle cards used for?

The Oracle of Tehuti is a divination system that is similar in function and purpose to the I-CHING, HOPI MEDICINE WHEEL, and the IFA.

I don't want to go into too much detail about it, without you having a proper understanding of how the MESUSH METUT (Divine Way) works.

Also, Volume 1 of METU NETER gives a clear and precise breakdown of the Oracle from beginning to end. Don't worry, all will be answered for you, as you begin to read.

HOTEPET

The Oracle of Tehuti is a divination system that is similar in function and purpose to the I-CHING, HOPI MEDICINE WHEEL, and the IFA.

I don't want to go into too much detail about it, without you having a proper understanding of how the MESUSH METUT (Divine Way) works.

Also, Volume 1 of METU NETER gives a clear and precise breakdown of the Oracle from beginning to end. Don't worry, all will be answered for you, as you begin to read.

HOTEPET
Samurai,dont you have a website?

I'm glad to have found this thread because Brother James peaked my curiousity about it last week when he made a comment about it in another thread.

I'm here to learn what I can and hope that Brother Sekhemu and others who are students of this will join in the discussion.

Peace,
Queenie :heart:
buy the book and read it.......

Thank you ... I'm studying diffrent Religions and Culture ,
Can you share some knowledge about ( ATR'S ) .

Again thank you for your help .
welcome to the house.
go to a black bookstore and buy a copy of the metu neter.
read it.

The Oracle of Tehuti is a divination system that is similar in function and purpose to the I-CHING, HOPI MEDICINE WHEEL, and the IFA.

I don't want to go into too much detail about it, without you having a proper understanding of how the MESUSH METUT (Divine Way) works.

Also, Volume 1 of METU NETER gives a clear and precise breakdown of the Oracle from beginning to end. Don't worry, all will be answered for you, as you begin to read.

HOTEPET

It's probably deeper than I know!
Lord Sam reading your reply made me feel like I was listening to samurai sunday on bet(joke)
Thank you, I truly hope this helps me in my journey:love: :love: :love:

It's probably deeper than I know!
Lord Sam reading your reply made me feel like I was listening to samurai sunday on bet(joke)
Thank you, I truly hope this helps me in my journey:love: :love: :love:

Queen, you really brought a smile to my face with this. :)

I can sense that the Force is strong with you. Yours is a Spirit that is just waiting to blosom. Metu Neter may very well be the means to help you grow in the ways that you need to.

Who knows; I can even see you slowly becoming a Priestess, if that is truly your wish.

HOTEPET (PEACE)

Queen, you really brought a smile to my face with this. :)

I can sense that the Force is strong with you. Yours is a Spirit that is just waiting to blosom. Metu Neter may very well be the means to help you grow in the ways that you need to.

Who knows; I can even see you slowly becoming a Priestess, if that is truly your wish.

HOTEPET (PEACE)

Thank you Sam:love:

buy the book and read it.......

I just ordered it. Thanks.

Queenie :heart:

Samurai,dont you have a website?

Aw man, I'm sorry I missed this.

Yes, I do: http://cradle2dagrave.proboards36.com/index.cgi

Let me know your thoughts, and feel free to tell others about it, if you deem it worthy.

PEACE

Aw man, I'm sorry I missed this.

Yes, I do: http://cradle2dagrave.proboards36.com/index.cgi

Let me know your thoughts, and feel free to tell others about it, if you deem it worthy.

PEACE
Thanks for the link.

One thing, be sure to read the whole book. You may feel tempted to skip and go directly to the parts that deal with spiritual powers. But spiritual growth and spiritual powers are not the same thing. In fact. metaphysics, magic and astral travel are still in the lower parts of the spirit.

If your own spirit is not properly motivated you will attract dark spirits. This is why the Europeans who encountered African spirituality thought it was evil because of the evil that is in them they attracted evil spirits. Isn't that why they are called "familiar spirits?" What we attract is already familiar to us--a reflection and projection of our inner selves. If your heart is right you will not be afraid of what you see because God's law (MaatL The 11 Laws of God, also by Amen) teaches us that nothing is against us but all adversity ignites the power of God in our lives.

One thing, be sure to read the whole book. You may feel tempted to skip and go directly to the parts that deal with spiritual powers. But spiritual growth and spiritual powers are not the same thing. In fact. metaphysics, magic and astral travel are still in the lower parts of the spirit.

If your own spirit is not properly motivated you will attract dark spirits. This is why the Europeans who encountered African spirituality thought it was evil because of the evil that is in them they attracted evil spirits. Isn't that why they are called "familiar spirits?" What we attract is already familiar to us--a reflection and projection of our inner selves. If your heart is right you will not be afraid of what you see because God's law (MaatL The 11 Laws of God, also by Amen) teaches us that nothing is against us but all adversity ignites the power of God in our lives.
I orderd the 11 laws of GOD to,thanks for the tips.

One thing, be sure to read the whole book. You may feel tempted to skip and go directly to the parts that deal with spiritual powers. But spiritual growth and spiritual powers are not the same thing. In fact. metaphysics, magic and astral travel are still in the lower parts of the spirit.

If your own spirit is not properly motivated you will attract dark spirits. This is why the Europeans who encountered African spirituality thought it was evil because of the evil that is in them they attracted evil spirits. Isn't that why they are called "familiar spirits?" What we attract is already familiar to us--a reflection and projection of our inner selves. If your heart is right you will not be afraid of what you see because God's law (MaatL The 11 Laws of God, also by Amen) teaches us that nothing is against us but all adversity ignites the power of God in our lives.

Ok this is good to know but also scary!
I wont levitate or wake up with the devil next to me will I?
Girl tell me something cause I ain't ready for that!

Aw man, I'm sorry I missed this.

Yes, I do: http://cradle2dagrave.proboards36.com/index.cgi

Let me know your thoughts, and feel free to tell others about it, if you deem it worthy.

PEACE

This is a beautiful site Sam!:sand:
The pictures were breathtaking!

Ok this is good to know but also scary!
I wont levitate or wake up with the devil next to me will I?
Girl tell me something cause I ain't ready for that!

LOL, no, nothing of the sort. :lol:

I knew that the Sheqhet's statements were profound and accurate, but at the same time, I had wondered how you would perceive them. Now I know :fyi:

But just so you know, true spirituality doesn't work in that way. From what I can tell, your Spirit is far too strong and too loving to get possessed by a Demon. What you put in, is what you'll get out. It's just like that saying: "You are what you eat".

Matter of fact, that saying is extremely appropriate here. Developing one's spirit is just like work out one's body. As I said earlier, the Force is strong with you, and with proper spiritual, mental and emotional "nutrition", your Spirit will only get stronger.

You'll have a stronger connection with God, the universe, nature, other people, and most importantly, yourself, in ways that you could never have imagined.

That is what true spirituality is all about; it's not about "believing" or having "faith" in God.....It's about Knowing, seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, and EXPERIENCING God.

This is what it means to be a Priest or Priestess.

As far as levitating and all that stuff, my advice is to not concern yourself with any of that. Just like with going to the gym, you're not going to push 1000lbs on your first visit. :weights: You want to remain practical, and realistic. :lift:

The least that will happen to you, is that you'll gain a more clear way of thinking, a feeling of inner peace, and more of a positive and loving outlook on life, than you already have.

HOTEP

This is a beautiful site Sam!:sand:
The pictures were breathtaking!

Thank you very much........Feel free to browse as much as you like, and even join!!

And any suggestions or comments are most certainly welcomed, by all of you.

PEACE

I wont levitate or wake up with the devil next to me will I?
you saying you ain't never slept with the devil?:grin:

LOL, no, nothing of the sort. :lol:

I knew that the Sheqhet's statements were profound and accurate, but at the same time, I had wondered how you would perceive them. Now I know :fyi:

But just so you know, true spirituality doesn't work in that way. From what I can tell, your Spirit is far too strong and too loving to get possessed by a Demon. What you put in, is what you'll get out. It's just like that saying: "You are what you eat".

Matter of fact, that saying is extremely appropriate here. Developing one's spirit is just like work out one's body. As I said earlier, the Force is strong with you, and with proper spiritual, mental and emotional "nutrition", your Spirit will only get stronger.

You'll have a stronger connection with God, the universe, nature, other people, and most importantly, yourself, in ways that you could never have imagined.

That is what true spirituality is all about; it's not about "believing" or having "faith" in God.....It's about Knowing, seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, and EXPERIENCING God.

This is what it means to be a Priest or Priestess.

As far as levitating and all that stuff, my advice is to not concern yourself with any of that. Just like with going to the gym, you're not going to push 1000lbs on your first visit. :weights: You want to remain practical, and realistic. :lift:

The least that will happen to you, is that you'll gain a more clear way of thinking, a feeling of inner peace, and more of a positive and loving outlook on life, than you already have.

HOTEP

I knew you would laugh at that:coffee:
You said alot, what interests me is how do you know this about me and you never met me?
This is really deep,
I'm antious(sp) to get started I just hope I'll be prepared!

you saying you ain't never slept with the devil?:grin:
No, but I've dreamed about him!
I have been having what seems like dreams but I am awake for years!
Even as a little girl I could feel and see me flying in the air freely in my bedroom,calm and at peace,happy!
I know that sounds crazy that's why I don't tell many people!

You said alot, what interests me is how do you know this about me and you never met me?

To answer this question, I'll use your own words:

No, but I've dreamed about him!
I have been having what seems like dreams but I am awake for years!
Even as a little girl I could feel and see me flying in the air freely in my bedroom,calm and at peace,happy!
I know that sounds crazy that's why I don't tell many people!

This is why, among other reasons.

Your Auset and Het-Heru faculties are wide open naturally. But right now, you won't know what this means, until you complete Volume #1.


PEACE

To answer this question, I'll use your own words:



This is why, among other reasons.

Your Auset and Het-Heru faculties are wide open naturally. But right now, you won't know what this means, until you complete Volume #1.


PEACE

Ok will do!

Ok this is good to know but also scary!
I wont levitate or wake up with the devil next to me will I?
Girl tell me something cause I ain't ready for that!
I had a a freind that could levitate,he told me it was once a natural thing to do(no strings attached,he literally lifted of the ground and about 5 feet up).I also read somewhere that Mother Teresa had levitated a cpuple times in her younger years.

I had a a freind that could levitate,he told me it was once a natural thing to do(no strings attached,he literally lifted of the ground and about 5 feet up).I also read somewhere that Mother Teresa had levitated a cpuple times in her younger years.

Ok now that's just too dam much for me!
That sounds demonic!
Honestly I want to view the world throughthe third eye entirely, but I do not want to conjour up evil spirits or go against the laws of man.
If I see someone levitate It's time to get the hell out of their presence!

Ok now that's just too dam much for me!
That sounds demonic!
Honestly I want to view the world throughthe third eye entirely, but I do not want to conjour up evil spirits or go against the laws of man.
If I see someone levitate It's time to get the hell out of their presence!

Well, if you don't want to embark on that, it's your right.

I will say though that even on this plane you have to deal with evil people... most likely it hasn't nor will it get you to stop doing what you need to do in life. Why should it be any different in the next plane? Also, spiritual gifts don't necessarily denote demonic presence.

I had a a freind that could levitate,he told me it was once a natural thing to do(no strings attached,he literally lifted of the ground and about 5 feet up).I also read somewhere that Mother Teresa had levitated a cpuple times in her younger years.



I'd have to see that to believe it .........



Red

I'd have to see that to believe it .........



Red
I don not ask for your "belief" in anything,only when you see it then you will know and not need to believe.

I don not ask for your "belief" in anything,only when you see it then you will know and not need to believe.


that's what I said in the first place I'd have to see it.......know believe whatever ..........I'd still have to see it.....


Red

that's what I said in the first place I'd have to see it.......know believe whatever ..........I'd still have to see it.....


Red
I know,I am just messin with youLOL

I know,I am just messin with youLOL



It's all Love bruh all love.....




Red

I have been having what seems like dreams but I am awake for years!
Even as a little girl I could feel and see me flying in the air freely in my bedroom,calm and at peace,happy!
I know that sounds crazy that's why I don't tell many people!
it does not sound crazy to me. it sounds as though you have natural powers which were never developed.
i am constantly saying that women have power that they are not aware of or do not want to be aware of. this is what i am talking about.
when the white man convinces you that your power is non existent and you believe that **** then you become a victim. i keep saying, women claim your powers.
usually, i just get cussed out for my troubles.

Hotep

A new heaven and a "New-Earth"...meaning nothing will be used from the "Old" except what is "New". If one can imagin or reflect sincerely the existance of what was (KMT) in it's origenal form and not what is (Western Curroption) in it's present forms...then the way is clear to invision that what is "Old" is "New" agin. We must remove all "Faith" in a system of white suprimacy in order to even come close to a proper (overstanding) understanding of "Right-Knowledge". The western mind set has nothing to do with "Truth"...only that it is the "Old" that nothing will be used to bring in the "New"...that is the return to the Origenal Spirituality befor "All" was invaded and interupted then currupted by distorted ideas that we find our selves ignorant to the Knowledge of Self today because of it. Western foods, drink and anti-culture are absolutely counter productive to Spiritual Growth of any kind. In the "Initiation Camps of the African Bush"...one must "First" be "Clean"...in body as well as in mind in order to define right Spirituality. There are no slick, Sly, in the closet ways to "Sneak" ones way to any thing Spiritual. The "Origenal 77 Commandments" given to "Us" in the beginning of Creation by "The" Creator for "Us" to guide our selves (so that we will become) through this life and prepair (Us) for the Final Transformation (Death is only the Begining) into the next life of Spirituality and re-birth. Not only 10 commandments as we have been hoodwinked to think...and more than the 44 so-called negative confesions that the Egyptologist have stumbled on through the so-called "Rosetta-Stone" that limits them to no more than 32 or 33 degrees of so-called knowledge...but the "Origenal 77 Commandments" (360 Degrees) that tought our ancient (KMT) ancestors ware and how to build the "First" civilizations on "Earth" and crowned them off with the so-called Pyrimids and the Spinx.
There is "No" getting around the "Fact" that we "Must"..."Know Thy Self"

Ase`

Ok now that's just too dam much for me!
That sounds demonic!
Honestly I want to view the world throughthe third eye entirely, but I do not want to conjour up evil spirits or go against the laws of man.
If I see someone levitate It's time to get the hell out of their presence!
I feel ya sista. I also know that this fear of anything supernatural is ingrained in us by western culture. Why do we automatically connect supernatural power with demons? Is it because only the devil gives people power or is it because we have been taught to do so? Didn't they accuse Jesus of using demonic power? And Jesus said the works that i do shall men do also and greater works will they do. But how can we do greater works when the least little work scares the h. e. double toothpick out of us?

I feel ya sista. I also know that this fear of anything supernatural is ingrained in us by western culture. Why do we automatically connect supernatural power with demons? Is it because only the devil gives people power or is it because we have been taught to do so? Didn't they accuse Jesus of using demonic power? And Jesus said the works that i do shall men do also and greater works will they do. But how can we do greater works when the least little work scares the h. e. double toothpick out of us?

Excellent points.

Well, if you don't want to embark on that, it's your right.

I will say though that even on this plane you have to deal with evil people... most likely it hasn't nor will it get you to stop doing what you need to do in life. Why should it be any different in the next plane? Also, spiritual gifts don't necessarily denote demonic presence.

Yeah but can bad spirits hurt you physically?
I mean ok say I meditated and my daughter comes in the room and see's me floating in the air?
That's something to think about!
And if I start to study this on a regular basis do I teach her this or the traditional christian way?

it does not sound crazy to me. it sounds as though you have natural powers which were never developed.
i am constantly saying that women have power that they are not aware of or do not want to be aware of. this is what i am talking about.
when the white man convinces you that your power is non existent and you believe that **** then you become a victim. i keep saying, women claim your powers.
usually, i just get cussed out for my troubles.

So does everyone naturally have powers or do you have to conjour them up through meditation?

Excellent points.
Your comments on this issue were very on point as well, KarmaShines. I had never thought of it that way. We can deal with evil spirits in the other plane just as we deal with evil people in this plane. We stay away from evil people as much as our daily business allows but we don't let them stop us or scare us off the planet.

And really we can't stay away from evil spirits. Like brotha Sam has told me they are like bacteria and viruses in and out of our bodies all the time because they are in the air we breathe. Why do they exist? Do they exist just to be dangerous? Or do they perform a task in the ecology? It's a weak, fearful constitution, whether physical or spiritual, that makes them dangerous.

Besides I am of the opinion that a demon is nothing more than a part of our ownselves which we fear to face. The more we feed that fear the stronger the demon holds us until we are posessed. Like a virus a demon is nothing until it finds a weak and fearful human host. We can alleviate that fear when we realize that our demons are not out there or down there. They are in us and they need us. They need the wisdom and power that God gave us to set them free.

Your comments on this issue were very on point as well, KarmaShines. I had never thought of it that way. We can deal with evil spirits in the other plane just as we deal with evil people in this plane. We stay away from evil people as much as our daily business allows but we don't let them stop us or scare us off the planet.

And really we can't stay away from evil spirits. Like brotha Sam has told me they are like bacteria and viruses in and out of our bodies all the time because they are in the air we breathe. Why do they exist? Do they exist just to be dangerous? Or do they perform a task in the ecology? It's a weak, fearful constitution, whether physical or spiritual, that makes them dangerous.

Besides I am of the opinion that a demon is nothing more than a part of our ownselves which we fear to face. The more we feed that fear the stronger the demon holds us until we are posessed. Like a virus a demon is nothing until it finds a weak and fearful human host. We can alleviate that fear when we realize that our demons are not out there or down there. They are in us and they need us. They need the wisdom and power that God gave us to set them free.

Makes since!

I'm waiting for my book to come in, but I have been reading some information from online.
It made so much sense!
I kind of felt like I was cheating the christianity part of me but I printed 40 pages of information and I couldn't stop reading until i was done!
I felt something weird when I looked at the egyptian initiation pictures.
Why was this not taught along with any othe practice or religion?
What actually happens to you durimg meditation?
Is it ok to talk about it to other people?
Sorry I just want to know what I'm getting into.

And really we can't stay away from evil spirits. Like brotha Sam has told me they are like bacteria and viruses in and out of our bodies all the time because they are in the air we breathe. Why do they exist? Do they exist just to be dangerous? Or do they perform a task in the ecology? It's a weak, fearful constitution, whether physical or spiritual, that makes them dangerous.

Besides I am of the opinion that a demon is nothing more than a part of our ownselves which we fear to face. The more we feed that fear the stronger the demon holds us until we are posessed. Like a virus a demon is nothing until it finds a weak and fearful human host. We can alleviate that fear when we realize that our demons are not out there or down there. They are in us and they need us. They need the wisdom and power that God gave us to set them free.

Very true. These negative aspect of life that we have to deal with helps us grow spiritually... you can't grow if you don't suffer. The best example of this on our plane of existence would be the spoiled child who grows up totally unable to take care of themselves because they were never taught to work/struggle for things in their life.

Yeah but can bad spirits hurt you physically?
I mean ok say I meditated and my daughter comes in the room and see's me floating in the air?
That's something to think about!
And if I start to study this on a regular basis do I teach her this or the traditional christian way?

I believe they can hurt you physically, though the experience I had was more of an emotional thing.

But again,life in the spirit world depends largely on your perception of things. It's like that here, but we have the filter of 'reality' and the poisons of Western mindset that keep us from remembering this. Anyway, if you really believe that you will encounter something negative, you are not ready to do these types of things. Learn about them, yes, but wait until you can view it more objectively before embarking on some of the powers this form of spirituality will teach you.

I am speaking from the perspective of someone that has had a negative spiritual experience... looking back on it I realize that it was my own mindset that contributed, not opening up to non-Christian beliefs. I was afraid of what I truly wanted to believe, and the darker forces of the spiritual world took advantage because of it.

say I meditated and my daughter comes in the room and see's me floating in the air?
the next time you told her to clean her room she would be quick to comply...:coffee:

So does everyone naturally have powers or do you have to conjour them up through meditation?
sisters have power, oh yes. black women have a closer connection to the spiritual plane.
they have been convinced by the devil to reject their own power and play the victim.

I believe they can hurt you physically, though the experience I had was more of an emotional thing.

But again,life in the spirit world depends largely on your perception of things. It's like that here, but we have the filter of 'reality' and the poisons of Western mindset that keep us from remembering this. Anyway, if you really believe that you will encounter something negative, you are not ready to do these types of things. Learn about them, yes, but wait until you can view it more objectively before embarking on some of the powers this form of spirituality will teach you.

I am speaking from the perspective of someone that has had a negative spiritual experience... looking back on it I realize that it was my own mindset that contributed, not opening up to non-Christian beliefs. I was afraid of what I truly wanted to believe, and the darker forces of the spiritual world took advantage because of it.

Were you frightened from the experience?
Can two people meditate together?
What are some of the powers you have?

the next time you told her to clean her room she would be quick to comply...:coffee:


sisters have power, oh yes. black women have a closer connection to the spiritual plane.
they have been convinced by the devil to reject their own power and play the victim.

So why does christianity deny this practice?
How often do you meditate?

it does not sound crazy to me. it sounds as though you have natural powers which were never developed.
i am constantly saying that women have power that they are not aware of or do not want to be aware of. this is what i am talking about.
when the white man convinces you that your power is non existent and you believe that **** then you become a victim. i keep saying, women claim your powers.
usually, i just get cussed out for my troubles.

True indeed.

This is why so much work was/is done with the Black woman, in ATR's such as this, both past and present....Becuase we as a people have always recognized the inherent power that she possesses.

All of the abilities that our Sister CURSED HEART (even now, her screen name becomes all the more significant) has expressed here, are ones that come naturally for women. We as men have to work at it, in order to manifest even a portion of what comes naturally for women.

While this understanding served as the foundation of our culture(s), it also served as the very reason that men of Western thought all througout the times, have strived to supress and oppress the Woman, and her nature.

Intrinsic to that oppression, were psychological mechanisms, the likes of what we have seen not only here in this discussion, but also in the world at large.

Here's an example:

Ok now that's just too dam much for me!
That sounds demonic!

Why? :confused:

Right now, I can leg press 1300LBS. I hope to one day press 2000lbs?

Does that sound like "too d@mn much" as well? Does it sound demonic?

The reason I ask this, is because, as I said earlier, the training of the Spirit is the same in premise as training the body: there are doing to be some aspects of both that you are naturally stronger at, without having formal training with either (although that strength is unrefined).......While there are other aspects of both that are weak, to the point of being dormant.

I've seen men in the gym and at competitions bench press 700+lbs :lift: I admit that it's pretty unnerving to watch, but it's far from "demonic". I feel the same way about various spiritual feats that I've been privy to.

Speaking of which:

Honestly I want to view the world throughthe third eye entirely, but I do not want to conjour up evil spirits or go against the laws of man.
If I see someone levitate It's time to get the hell out of their presence!

The only reason you think any of this is "against the laws of man", is because you are not aware of (Hu)Man's true capability.

As someone here alluded to, Jesus Christ was reported to walk on water (a form of levitation), heal the sick, and raise the dead (himself included).

He also said: "of these things I do, you shall do and more."

Yeah but can bad spirits hurt you physically?

Of course they can....Just like bad thoughts can hurt you both physically and spiritually.

You have to understand, that the Human is a Tri-lateral being; we exsist on 3 planes simultaneously: Physical, Mental and Spiritual. What is done to one, is most assuredly impacting the others, and vice versa.

We are actually the only creatures that can successfully exsist in this fasion. Metu Neter will teach you more about this, but I personally think that this was the entire reason for the "experiment" to begin with.

I mean ok say I meditated and my daughter comes in the room and see's me floating in the air?

What would you do, if you were having sex, and your daughter walked in and sees you "floating in the air" (LOL)?

In both scenarios, while seemingly uncomfortable for you to be caught in, you simply tell her THE TRUTH: that "mommy was doing something that only adults should do, that you're too young to understand right now, but one day you will, and when you're old enough I will sit down with you, and tell you about it".

Just as there is nothing "demonic" about making love to your man, there is equally nothing "demonic" about meditating, levitating, or any other spiritual power.

In actuality, the only bad or "demonic" thing that would come of it, depends on what purpose you were performing those acts for (sex and levitation).

But like I said, you're too good a person to be concerned with that.

That's something to think about!
And if I start to study this on a regular basis do I teach her this or the traditional christian way?

You teach her that which you feel is correct.

Right now, I don't have any children, but considering the fact that I'm Vegetarian, if/when I do have children, I'm certainly not going to feed them pork.

So does everyone naturally have powers or do you have to conjour them up through meditation?

Meditation is the means for sharpening or honing them. You conjure the ability at will, afterwards.

It's just like me working out: I lift weights at the gym, to gain the strength I need. When I need to go lift a heavy box at home or at work, I don't need to go lift some weights first, then come back and get the box, I just pick the box up, because I've already done the necessary training of the skills that are necessary for performing the task.

It's very important to remember, that the things you do to the Body, are the same things you do (in principle) to the Spirit. But Metu Neter will show you more about this.

Were you frightened from the experience?
Can two people meditate together?
What are some of the powers you have?

Yes.

I'm sure meditation with another person is possible, but I would think it would defeat the purpose. Meditation is meant to help you become more in touch with your own spirituality.

As far as powers... lol, I wish I had some. I have not experienced levitation, nor am I able to astral project at will, but for the past two years I have very, very deep dreams almost every night. So I use these as a guide to help show me what I'm doing right or wrong spiritually in my life.

But keep in mind gifts of spirituality are like anything else...if you open up your heart to this, it might be 'easier' for you to do certain things than another person. Or it might be harder. Your spiritual journey will be different than what I or anyone else have experienced.

So why does christianity deny this practice?
How often do you meditate?

Probably because it takes the power away from the priest or the pastor, and puts it back in an individual's hands.

Yes.

I'm sure meditation with another person is possible, but I would think it would defeat the purpose. Meditation is meant to help you become more in touch with your own spirituality.

There are forms of group meditation, as well as intimate sessions that take place amongst husbands and wives, or couples.

The purpose for these sessions, in slight contrast to singular meditation, is to strengthen the spiritual bond between all the parties involved with each other.

As far as powers... lol, I wish I had some. I have not experienced levitation, nor am I able to astral project at will, but for the past two years I have very, very deep dreams almost every night. So I use these as a guide to help show me what I'm doing right or wrong spiritually in my life.

Sister, of course you have powers. You have a Spirit/Soul, don't you? You just have not awakened them yet, but it sounds as though you are well on your way to doing so.

Besides, just as every person's body is different, so too is everyone's spirit. It's like the unique aspect of a finger print.

Just like not every person is going to press 500lbs in the gym--some people are made for speed and can run fast, some are more agile, etc--the same applies to one's spiritual prowess. You may be more acute in accessing your vivid perception of the Dream Time, than I and others are.

Levitation is indeed an awesome ability, but from what I hear, it's not always what it's cracked up to be :nono: From what I hear, it can take a toll on the body's physical composition (unstable molecules, etc). Just like with me, being a powerlifter, heavy weights can take their toll on my joints, spine, etc. Which is why I strive to balance it all out, with some non-impact work from time to time (not as often I should, though :( ) like Tai Chi or Yoga..

But keep in mind gifts of spirituality are like anything else...if you open up your heart to this, it might be 'easier' for you to do certain things than another person. Or it might be harder. Your spiritual journey will be different than what I or anyone else have experienced.

Wow, and here we're saying basically the same thing. LOL, I guess I should have read further before I pushed the "quote" button. :lol:

HOTEPET

Probably because it takes the power away from the priest or the pastor, and puts it back in an individual's hands.

Precisely. No Pastor/Preacher/Reverend, is going to make money with you taking your spiritual well-being into your own hands.

It's just like medical health care: If we all learned how to TRULY take care of ourselves, then doctors and hospitals would be out of business.

That's why they are constantly inventing new diseases and ailments, to keep you sick, so that you'll have to keep running back to them.

Same thing with religion.

True indeed.

This is why so much work was/is done with the Black woman, in ATR's such as this, both past and present....Becuase we as a people have always recognized the inherent power that she possesses.

All of the abilities that our Sister CURSED HEART (even now, her screen name becomes all the more significant) has expressed here, are ones that come naturally for women. We as men have to work at it, in order to manifest even a portion of what comes naturally for women.

While this understanding served as the foundation of our culture(s), it also served as the very reason that men of Western thought all througout the times, have strived to supress and oppress the Woman, and her nature.

Intrinsic to that oppression, were psychological mechanisms, the likes of what we have seen not only here in this discussion, but also in the world at large.

Here's an example:



Why? :confused:

Right now, I can leg press 1300LBS. I hope to one day press 2000lbs?

Does that sound like "too d@mn much" as well? Does it sound demonic?

The reason I ask this, is because, as I said earlier, the training of the Spirit is the same in premise as training the body: there are doing to be some aspects of both that you are naturally stronger at, without having formal training with either (although that strength is unrefined).......While there are other aspects of both that are weak, to the point of being dormant.

I've seen men in the gym and at competitions bench press 700+lbs :lift: I admit that it's pretty unnerving to watch, but it's far from "demonic". I feel the same way about various spiritual feats that I've been privy to.

Speaking of which:



The only reason you think any of this is "against the laws of man", is because you are not aware of (Hu)Man's true capability.

As someone here alluded to, Jesus Christ was reported to walk on water (a form of levitation), heal the sick, and raise the dead (himself included).

He also said: "of these things I do, you shall do and more."



Of course they can....Just like bad thoughts can hurt you both physically and spiritually.

You have to understand, that the Human is a Tri-lateral being; we exsist on 3 planes simultaneously: Physical, Mental and Spiritual. What is done to one, is most assuredly impacting the others, and vice versa.

We are actually the only creatures that can successfully exsist in this fasion. Metu Neter will teach you more about this, but I personally think that this was the entire reason for the "experiment" to begin with.



What would you do, if you were having sex, and your daughter walked in and sees you "floating in the air" (LOL)?

In both scenarios, while seemingly uncomfortable for you to be caught in, you simply tell her THE TRUTH: that "mommy was doing something that only adults should do, that you're too young to understand right now, but one day you will, and when you're old enough I will sit down with you, and tell you about it".

Just as there is nothing "demonic" about making love to your man, there is equally nothing "demonic" about meditating, levitating, or any other spiritual power.

In actuality, the only bad or "demonic" thing that would come of it, depends on what purpose you were performing those acts for (sex and levitation).

But like I said, you're too good a person to be concerned with that.



You teach her that which you feel is correct.

Right now, I don't have any children, but considering the fact that I'm Vegetarian, if/when I do have children, I'm certainly not going to feed them pork.



Meditation is the means for sharpening or honing them. You conjure the ability at will, afterwards.

It's just like me working out: I lift weights at the gym, to gain the strength I need. When I need to go lift a heavy box at home or at work, I don't need to go lift some weights first, then come back and get the box, I just pick the box up, because I've already done the necessary training of the skills that are necessary for performing the task.

It's very important to remember, that the things you do to the Body, are the same things you do (in principle) to the Spirit. But Metu Neter will show you more about this.

I never thought about it that way, Especially the jesus walking on water being a form of levitation.
1300 pound leg lifts? oh my goodness!
Sam this was very insightful!
I really cannot wait to get the book!

Precisely. No Pastor/Preacher/Reverend, is going to make money with you taking your spiritual well-being into your own hands.

It's just like medical health care: If we all learned how to TRULY take care of ourselves, then doctors and hospitals would be out of business.

That's why they are constantly inventing new diseases and ailments, to keep you sick, so that you'll have to keep running back to them.

Same thing with religion.

YES, I am a tru believer of that!
As a matter of fact I just told my mother the very same thing about doctors!

So why does christianity deny this practice?
How often do you meditate?
As I have said elsewhere the white missionaries who encountered African spirituality and tried to copy it attracted dark spirits because of the darkness in their own hearts. These missionaries were slave traders, murderers, child molesters, crusaders--everything but children of God.

On a more practical note: you can see even today and it has always been the practice of the white man to demonize the people he wants to conquer. In this way he can get public support and alleviate his own guilty conscience. Never does he just say those people have what we want or those people are trying to get what we have. It's always a war against EVIL.

On a more practical note: you can see even today and it has always been the practice of the white man to demonize the people he wants to conquer. In this way he can get public support and alleviate his own guilty conscience. Never does he just say those people have what we want or those people are trying to get what we have. It's always a war against EVIL.

This is SO true!

Precisely. No Pastor/Preacher/Reverend, is going to make money with you taking your spiritual well-being into your own hands.

It's just like medical health care: If we all learned how to TRULY take care of ourselves, then doctors and hospitals would be out of business.

That's why they are constantly inventing new diseases and ailments, to keep you sick, so that you'll have to keep running back to them.

Same thing with religion.
That is so true, Sam. My sister had her baby dedicated last Christmas because her pastor has her convinced that if the baby is not formally dedicated she it won't be under cover (spiritually protected I guess) and something bad could hapen to it. Does that sound like Jim Jones or what. Bad things happen to those who leave the People's Temple. Makes me wonder if they are waiting for something bad to happen to me.

Precisely. No Pastor/Preacher/Reverend, is going to make money with you taking your spiritual well-being into your own hands.

It's just like medical health care: If we all learned how to TRULY take care of ourselves, then doctors and hospitals would be out of business.

That's why they are constantly inventing new diseases and ailments, to keep you sick, so that you'll have to keep running back to them.

Same thing with religion.


This is true to a certain degree, but in a practical sense there is a component of human nature that is social and gravitates towards group experience (a reason many of us are in this forum in the first place), and just as there are costs for an individual's upkeep there are costs for a group's upkeep (the reason there is premium membership here on destee.com). Yes, this can be abused by religious institutions, but if you seek to be a part of a group and not always medidate or worship in whatever manner you do alone, someone's gotta pay the rent. :)

As I have said elsewhere the white missionaries who encountered African spirituality and tried to copy it attracted dark spirits because of the darkness in their own hearts. These missionaries were slave traders, murderers, child molesters, crusaders--everything but children of God.

On a more practical note: you can see even today and it has always been the practice of the white man to demonize the people he wants to conquer. In this way he can get public support and alleviate his own guilty conscience. Never does he just say those people have what we want or those people are trying to get what we have. It's always a war against EVIL.

So is this a form of black magic?

So is this a form of black magic?

Is what "Magic"? Metu Neter?

Is what "Magic"? Metu Neter?

YES! I know I'm asking alot of questions but it's only because I want to know!

YES! I know I'm asking alot of questions but it's only because I want to know!

I think the issue here is you are using the term "black magic" to refer to something you think is inherently evil.

The question itself was flawed on a few levels, so to clarify, we can always look to the movie/example of Malcolm X (or anyone who had a dictionary before it became politically correct) and see how the word black was given a negative connotation.

White Christianity has called black magic evil, but if you were to look up white magic it would be all angelic and what not.

I think the issue here is you are using the term "black magic" to refer to something you think is inherently evil.

The question itself was flawed on a few levels, so to clarify, we can always look to the movie/example of Malcolm X (or anyone who had a dictionary before it became politically correct) and see how the word black was given a negative connotation.

White Christianity has called black magic evil, but if you were to look up white magic it would be all angelic and what not.

No that's not what I meant at all!
Ask me and I'll tell you!
Since the statement was made that this practice is for us "black people" and it gives us back our powers through meditation and focus thereof, is it magic!
Oh and please be patient with me,
I'm trying to understand because I have been taught the christian way!
It's hard to deprogram!

No that's not what I meant at all!
Ask me and I'll tell you!
Since the statement was made that this practice is for us "black people" and it gives us back our powers through meditation and focus thereof, is it magic!
Oh and please be patient with me,
I'm trying to understand because I have been taught the christian way!
It's hard to deprogram!

No problem, just seeking to clarifty (as always)

No that's not what I meant at all!
Ask me and I'll tell you!
Since the statement was made that this practice is for us "black people" and it gives us back our powers through meditation and focus thereof, is it magic!
Oh and please be patient with me,
I'm trying to understand because I have been taught the christian way!
It's hard to deprogram!
Sista I know exactly what you mean. Realizing that we've been programmed is the first step. Then cleaning house to decide what things are programming and what are commonsense.

I know one thing people always motivate us with the same things that motivate them. Christians motivate us with fear and guilt because that's what motivates them. So I ask how can true spiritual descernment--how can the knowledge of what is good and what is evil develop from an environment of fear and guilt?

Amen seeks to help us differetiate between African spiritual powers and the European practices of magic (witchcraft, sorcery, wicca etc). The white man wants to keep in our minds images of witchdoctors sticking pins in voodoo dolls. But they are the ones who used the power of the woman to work evil and "boiling touble." I just saw a post by brotha Sekhemu. He could really give you a ton of info about this.

No that's not what I meant at all!
Ask me and I'll tell you!
Since the statement was made that this practice is for us "black people" and it gives us back our powers through meditation and focus thereof, is it magic!
Oh and please be patient with me,
I'm trying to understand because I have been taught the christian way!
It's hard to deprogram!

How do you define Magick?

So is this a form of black magic?
not as i understand it.

Sista I know exactly what you mean. Realizing that we've been programmed is the first step. Then cleaning house to decide what things are programming and what are commonsense.

I know one thing people always motivate us with the same things that motivate them. Christians motivate us with fear and guilt because that's what motivates them. So I ask how can true spiritual descernment--how can the knowledge of what is good and what is evil develop from an environment of fear and guilt?

Amen seeks to help us differetiate between African spiritual powers and the European practices of magic (witchcraft, sorcery, wicca etc). The white man wants to keep in our minds images of witchdoctors sticking pins in voodoo dolls. But they are the ones who used the power of the woman to work evil and "boiling touble." I just saw a post by brotha Sekhemu. He could really give you a ton of info about this.

I know someone who practices wicca but she is so sweet it's hard to believe she practices it.
I ordered the meter neter volumn1 but they said it could take several weeks and I am ready to read it now.
So I went to african american images and bought it,along with an african american history trivia game for my baby and this movie called sankofa,the movie sounded interesting!

How do you define Magick?
Mystical,unknown to most,illusion to the truth.
For some reason I don't think meter neter is like this, but I just had to ask.

Mystical,unknown to most,illusion to the truth.
For some reason I don't think meter neter is like this, but I just had to ask.
the metu neter is not about illusion. it is straight up. that is why i tell each to read for themselves.
you have to make your own decision about what you can see.
you should not listen to what others tell you.
you have to look inside of you and decide what you see in there, if anything.
others can only help you with your technique.

the metu neter is not about illusion. it is straight up. that is why i tell each to read for themselves.
you have to make your own decision about what you can see.
you should not listen to what others tell you.
you have to look inside of you and decide what you see in there, if anything.
others can only help you with your technique.

Thank you James!
Me and my daughter and mother just watched Sankofa some of the very things you stated about christianity was in there!
My mother was crying and said she couldn't watch it!
I told her if I ancestors indured why can't you for a few hours?

the metu neter is not about illusion. it is straight up. that is why i tell each to read for themselves.
you have to make your own decision about what you can see.
you should not listen to what others tell you.
you have to look inside of you and decide what you see in there, if anything.
others can only help you with your technique.

So sometimes you will not see?
If you are mixed or have a companion of another race will you have a hard time seeing or will you see at all?
Watching Sankofa made me ask you this!

the metu neter is not about illusion. it is straight up. that is why i tell each to read for themselves.
you have to make your own decision about what you can see.
you should not listen to what others tell you.
you have to look inside of you and decide what you see in there, if anything.
others can only help you with your technique.

This advice really speaks to me. Yes! Read it first, then see what affect it has on you. At this time in my life, I really need help with self-discipline. I focus too much on where I think I should be at this stage, and seldom on appreciating where I am. I spend too much time thinking that I don't have as much time anymore to do the things I want to do, because I don't have the discipline to do the things I should do. I wrestle too much with this issue which is all about me and only me can change it. I need the self-discipline to do what is important for me and learn to let go of the "what I should have" dones. I used to follow Chistianity but my soul never accepted it as a path that I needed to follow. I've been searching all my life for "the way" for me. I started reading books on Buddhism and discovered some information that I could identify with...it's not a religion, it's a way of life. But I still feel the need to search for something else. I hope it exists. I need a spiritual connection. This is what I'm hoping Metu Neter will help me with.

Queenie :spinstar:

This advice really speaks to me. Yes! Read it first, then see what affect it has on you. At this time in my life, I really need help with self-discipline. I focus too much on where I think I should be at this stage, and seldom on appreciating where I am. I spend too much time thinking that I don't have as much time anymore to do the things I want to do, because I don't have the discipline to do the things I should do. I wrestle too much with this issue which is all about me and only me can change it. I need the self-discipline to do what is important for me and learn to let go of the "what I should have" dones.

Please know that this is not the worse place you could possibly be in, and it is more easily correctable than you might imagine.

It sounds as if your SEKER faculty is in a state of flux, and your AUSAR faculty is just beginning to blossom. Trust me when I say this, these are good things, and when you read METU NETER, you'll understand why. :fyi:

I can already see that your HET-HERU faculty is wide open, as you are truly a loving person, wanting the best for yourself, and all that you encounter.

It's people (especially Sisters) like yourself and Cursed that we need so much more of.

Trust me, you're going to be fine, with the proper Spiritual refinement.

Speaking of which:

I used to follow Chistianity but my soul never accepted it as a path that I needed to follow. I've been searching all my life for "the way" for me. I started reading books on Buddhism and discovered some information that I could identify with...it's not a religion, it's a way of life. But I still feel the need to search for something else.

You are/were in the same predicament that I found myself in, the only difference being I strived to overcome it at a far younger age.

For instance, though Buddhism has alot to be implemented on an intellectual and spiritual level for growth and development, the reason why it doesn't quite hit the mark for our people, is because that system was not defined with our people in mind. Spirituality is like a glove. I'm sure a glove that would perfectly fit your demure, lovely hands, would rip at the seams on my burly paws, LOL.

And like our late Brother Johnny Cochran said: "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquitt!!" :smash:

The problem is though, that we especially as Black people, havbe been trying to force-fit a glove (religion) over our hands (minds, souls) that obviously doesn't fit us, as it is indeed busting at the seam. But we try to pretend that it's not, and walk around with this busted-@$$ glove on, like everything is OK.

Buddhism fits us far better than Christianity ever could; despite the conjecture of Jesus being Black, Christianity, the Bible, and the historical origins of both do nothing to promote spiritual, cultural, emotional and psychological well-being of Black people. If anything, this religion works toward the very opposite for us.

We know full well that the White Man did not give us Christianity, because he was altruistically concerned about our "salvation".

The same applies to Buddhism, although to a much lesser extent: though Buddha historically (as SIDDHARTHA GAUTAMA) was a Black man as well, his system was designed specifically for the Asian mindset and lifestyle at the time. Such as system does not take into consideration the oppression and near genocide of a people, etc. Nor should it have any such reason to, because that is not a part of the Asian legacy.

But unfortunately, it is a part of the African legacy, and it is/was almost as if our ancestors had foretold our fates, as ATR's are keenly designed towards bringing us out of the darkness that we now find ourselves engulfed within.

Speaking of which:

I hope it exists. I need a spiritual connection. This is what I'm hoping Metu Neter will help me with.

Queenie :spinstar:

You could not be in better hands. You are going to learn more about being a woman, a Black person, and a child of the Divine, than the Bible could ever teach you.

If you need consolation, you have but only to ask our own Sheqhet ("Sheqhet" means, QUEEN in Kemetic, btw) RIVER. She has shared with us on numerous occasions of how Metu Neter and the MESUSH NETUT (the path to the Divine) has changed and is changing her life.

And she still considers herself to be a neophyte of sorts (even though I do not, but as the Kemetians used to say: "The Eye can see all but Itself").

So rest indeed, Dear Neo. The Oracle has the answers you need.

HOTEPET

Please know that this is not the worse place you could possibly be in, and it is more easily correctable than you might imagine.

It sounds as if your SEKER faculty is in a state of flux, and your AUSAR faculty is just beginning to blossom. Trust me when I say this, these are good things, and when you read METU NETER, you'll understand why. :fyi:

I can already see that your HET-HERU faculty is wide open, as you are truly a loving person, wanting the best for yourself, and all that you encounter.

It's people (especially Sisters) like yourself and Cursed that we need so much more of.

Trust me, you're going to be fine, with the proper Spiritual refinement.

Speaking of which:



You are/were in the same predicament that I found myself in, the only difference being I strived to overcome it at a far younger age.

For instance, though Buddhism has alot to be implemented on an intellectual and spiritual level for growth and development, the reason why it doesn't quite hit the mark for our people, is because that system was not defined with our people in mind. Spirituality is like a glove. I'm sure a glove that would perfectly fit your demure, lovely hands, would rip at the seams on my burly paws, LOL.

And like our late Brother Johnny Cochran said: "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquitt!!" :smash:

The problem is though, that we especially as Black people, havbe been trying to force-fit a glove (religion) over our hands (minds, souls) that obviously doesn't fit us, as it is indeed busting at the seam. But we try to pretend that it's not, and walk around with this busted-@$$ glove on, like everything is OK.

Buddhism fits us far better than Christianity ever could; despite the conjecture of Jesus being Black, Christianity, the Bible, and the historical origins of both do nothing to promote spiritual, cultural, emotional and psychological well-being of Black people. If anything, this religion works toward the very opposite for us.

We know full well that the White Man did not give us Christianity, because he was altruistically concerned about our "salvation".

The same applies to Buddhism, although to a much lesser extent: though Buddha historically (as SIDDHARTHA GAUTAMA) was a Black man as well, his system was designed specifically for the Asian mindset and lifestyle at the time. Such as system does not take into consideration the oppression and near genocide of a people, etc. Nor should it have any such reason to, because that is not a part of the Asian legacy.

But unfortunately, it is a part of the African legacy, and it is/was almost as if our ancestors had foretold our fates, as ATR's are keenly designed towards bringing us out of the darkness that we now find ourselves engulfed within.

Speaking of which:



You could not be in better hands. You are going to learn more about being a woman, a Black person, and a child of the Divine, than the Bible could ever teach you.

If you need consolation, you have but only to ask our own Sheqhet ("Sheqhet" means, QUEEN in Kemetic, btw) RIVER. She has shared with us on numerous occasions of how Metu Neter and the MESUSH NETUT (the path to the Divine) has changed and is changing her life.

And she still considers herself to be a neophyte of sorts (even though I do not, but as the Kemetians used to say: "The Eye can see all but Itself").

So rest indeed, Dear Neo. The Oracle has the answers you need.

HOTEPET

It's really really deep!
I started reading it yesterday.

Oh and as for buddhism I don't know alot but my uncle studied it.
I use to laugh because I didn't understand.
Then it became more of a mystery to me.
I would hear him chanting and ringing in the basement.
He would take long long walks.
He prepared healthy but hardy meals at least five times a day.
He laughed alot and talked to himself alot.
I remember he was in the kitchen washing dishes just laughing away and I said uncle why do you laugh so much?
He said to keep from crying.
It was than that I never laughed at him again!

So sometimes you will not see?
If you are mixed or have a companion of another race will you have a hard time seeing or will you see at all?
Watching Sankofa made me ask you this!

SANKOFA is one of the best movies a Black person could ever watch. I would advise every Brother and Sister here, to check out the SANKOFA EXPO, whenever it comes to your town. Sister CURSED, with you living in Chicago, there's absolutely no excuse for you not to attend this, as it comes through your town on the regular. I hope to see you at the next one, after I move there.

There's usually something for it at the DUSABLE museum in Chicago.

As to your question, your choices in who you choose to deal with as far as your culture is concerned, is indeed going to have an effect on how you perceive your reality, and vice versa.

As for being of mixed heritage, that will only factor in, depending upon whether or not you choose to identify with one heritage over another.

Me being half Black Caribbean and part Cherokee Indian, I strive to honor both aspects, even though I recognize that my Blackness is most dominant.

However, I would surmise that had I been raised on a reservation, I might have developed slightly different than who I am today.

PEACE

Is SANKOFA available in book form? With my visual and hearing impairments I really don't get too much out of a movie. But if I could read it that would be mad cool.

I'm beginning to believe that my purpose for returning to Destee.com is because this is information that I needed to have.

Brother Samurai, you have touched my heart today in a way that goes beyond what words can describe. You have shown me so much in your response that it just seemed to float off the screen and swirl around my head. For that, THANK YOU. (((hug))) I can't wait to get my book. I hope it arrives today.

Sisters River and Heart, I will be looking to you for insight and support. Brother James, thank you again for suggesting that I read the book.

Queenie :heart:

SANKOFA is one of the best movies a Black person could ever watch. I would advise every Brother and Sister here, to check out the SANKOFA EXPO, whenever it comes to your town. Sister CURSED, with you living in Chicago, there's absolutely no excuse for you not to attend this, as it comes through your town on the regular. I hope to see you at the next one, after I move there.

There's usually something for it at the DUSABLE museum in Chicago.

As to your question, your choices in who you choose to deal with as far as your culture is concerned, is indeed going to have an effect on how you perceive your reality, and vice versa.

As for being of mixed heritage, that will only factor in, depending upon whether or not you choose to identify with one heritage over another.

Me being half Black Caribbean and part Cherokee Indian, I strive to honor both aspects, even though I recognize that my Blackness is most dominant.

However, I would surmise that had I been raised on a reservation, I might have developed slightly different than who I am today.

PEACE

Yeah I would love to go!
I can't believe I've never heard of this movie.
I told a co-worker about it and where to get it.
African American images is where i bought it from.
They had alot of movies there!
I know my mama cried and my daughter and me were silent!
I never knew this about the catholic religion!
Really an eye opener!

Is SANKOFA available in book form? With my visual and hearing impairments I really don't get too much out of a movie. But if I could read it that would be mad cool.

Perhaps this will set you on the right path, Sheqheti:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?SAT=1&z=y&WRD=sankofa&SRT=R

HOTEPET

I'm beginning to believe that my purpose for returning to Destee.com is because this is information that I needed to have.

Brother Samurai, you have touched my heart today in a way that goes beyond what words can describe. You have shown me so much in your response that it just seemed to float off the screen and swirl around my head. For that, THANK YOU. (((hug))) I can't wait to get my book. I hope it arrives today.

Sisters River and Heart, I will be looking to you for insight and support. Brother James, thank you again for suggesting that I read the book.

Queenie :heart:
Queenie, we are sistas on a common journey. We will support each other.

I know what you mean about finding time to do what is really important. I just steal time because I have got to grow spiritually. I have got to increase my knowledge so that when I am questioned (and eventually I will be questioned) I will have something to say and to show.

Beyond Destee,com I have no support in thisquest. I would guess there are no less than fifty people praying I will return to the church. There's just no way I can go back there and pretend like I don't know what I know. I don't fear being drawn back. I just want to make sure that the time of my disclosure is one that I have chosen and one I have prepared myself for with knowledge. Knowamsane?

Perhaps this will set you on the right path, Sheqheti:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?SAT=1&z=y&WRD=sankofa&SRT=R

HOTEPET
Wow it looks like Sankofa is a whole cultural phenomenon

if you are on the movie tip check out these films:
XICA
QUILOMBO

Aw man, I'm sorry I missed this.

Yes, I do: http://cradle2dagrave.proboards36.com/index.cgi

Let me know your thoughts, and feel free to tell others about it, if you deem it worthy.

PEACE
For some reasone I cannot get in,it says that the administrator is going to have to verify me.

Still waiting for my book to arrive.
Just ordered the movies, "Sankofa", "Xica", and "Quilombo"....Don't recommend anything else until I get through with these and I get paid again. :D

Queenie :spinstar:

if you are on the movie tip check out these films:
XICA
QUILOMBO

What are these about James?

Still waiting for my book to arrive.
Just ordered the movies, "Sankofa", "Xica", and "Quilombo"....Don't recommend anything else until I get through with these and I get paid again. :D

Queenie :spinstar:

Where did you order them from?
I got sankofa for 40 bucks,
that's cheap compared to knowing the truth about our history!

Sister Heart, I did a bit of research including looking at African American Image for Sankofa but couldn't find the other movie titles. I ended up at Amazon.com where I paid ~$26 for it brand new from someone selling it and interestingly Amazon automatically recommended the other two movies that Brother James mentioned to go along with it and they gave me a discount to purchase all 3, and since I have an account with them I did. I paid around $60 total not including shipping/handling. I usually purchase these types of things from Black owned businesses but in this case, I chose this route.

Queenie :spinstar:

if you are on the movie tip check out these films: XICA QUILOMBO
What are these about James?
they are about the adventures of black slaves in Brazil.

For some reasone I cannot get in,it says that the administrator is going to have to verify me.

I-KHAN, send me an e-mail, with the screen name and password you are trying to use:

SHAHIYM@HOTMAIL.COM

PEACE

In the Cosmological guide to the three types of men
It states that such a man can influence physical events by manipulating their spiritual power through the use of hekau and visualization.
Is this true?
I'm trying not to skip to the meditation section but I have read so many interesting facts that I'm tempted.:coffee:
Also sam auset and heteru, you said I possess these why?
They seem to be very spiritually in tuned with the world naturally but yet I am seeking spiritual peace and acknowledgement of myself and the world through the metu neter.

In the Cosmological guide to the three types of men
It states that such a man can influence physical events by manipulating their spiritual power through the use of hekau and visualization.
Is this true?

Yes, it is.

You see, it is acknowledged that "GOD" (the Divine Presence and Intelligence) is Omnipotent (all-powerful), Omnipresent (everywhere at once), and Omniscient (all-knowing).

God has bestowed upon us (humans) these attributes: same in quality, different in quantity.

The key for us, is to tap into that inherent gift, for the purpos of not only bettering our own exsistence(s), but also to strength our relationship with the Divine.

I'm trying not to skip to the meditation section but I have read so many interesting facts that I'm tempted.:coffee:
Also sam auset and heteru, you said I possess these why?

Because, as you stated above:

It states that such a man can influence physical events by manipulating their spiritual power through the use of hekau and visualization.

That, my dear, is you--all day. You have made mention to some things that you have been able to do, based on your own emotional state at the time.

This is AUSET and HET-HERU at their respective finest.

They seem to be very spiritually in tuned with the world naturally but yet I am seeking spiritual peace and acknowledgement of myself and the world through the metu neter.

You seem to possess alot of raw spiritual power. It needs to be refined, and only having an acute knowledge of Self will grant you this. It will also grant you the level of spiritual peace that you seek; the 2 goals are mutually contingent.

Think about something that you are not very good at doing........How do you FEEL when you are doing it? Frustrated? Worried? Stressed out? Afraid of failing? Helpless? No sense of direction? That's where you are now. In fact, that's where the majority of humanity is.

Now, think about something that you do really well.........How do you FEEL when you are doing it? At ease? Calm? At "peace"? That's where you want to be.

You can only get there, when you KNOW all aspects of your Self, and what those aspects are capable of. Only then does the fear, frustration, stress, disappear.

And only then, can you unlock all that spiritual power that's lying dormant inside of you, waiting to burst out.

PEACE

Yes, it is.

You see, it is acknowledged that "GOD" (the Divine Presence and Intelligence) is Omnipotent (all-powerful), Omnipresent (everywhere at once), and Omniscient (all-knowing).

God has bestowed upon us (humans) these attributes: same in quality, different in quantity.

The key for us, is to tap into that inherent gift, for the purpos of not only bettering our own exsistence(s), but also to strength our relationship with the Divine.



Because, as you stated above:



That, my dear, is you--all day. You have made mention to some things that you have been able to do, based on your own emotional state at the time.

This is AUSET and HET-HERU at their respective finest.



You seem to possess alot of raw spiritual power. It needs to be refined, and only having an acute knowledge of Self will grant you this. It will also grant you the level of spiritual peace that you seek; the 2 goals are mutually contingent.

Think about something that you are not very good at doing........How do you FEEL when you are doing it? Frustrated? Worried? Stressed out? Afraid of failing? Helpless? No sense of direction? That's where you are now. In fact, that's where the majority of humanity is.

Now, think about something that you do really well.........How do you FEEL when you are doing it? At ease? Calm? At "peace"? That's where you want to be.

You can only get there, when you KNOW all aspects of your Self, and what those aspects are capable of. Only then does the fear, frustration, stress, disappear.

And only then, can you unlock all that spiritual power that's lying dormant inside of you, waiting to burst out.

PEACE

Thanks Sam:coffee:
This is truly amazing to know!
I have quite a bit to read before meditation.
You stated the divine powers is the same in quality but differ in quantity,so is it safe to say some powers are limited based on the destiny the divine has for you?
Ok one more thing I have recently had a death of a relative/friend.
The two weeks before when over my mothers house her door opened on it's own while discussing metu neter(book)
I was not scared but she was and she wanted to cease talking about the book.
Whe I drove home i felt a presence in the car all the way until i went in the house and fell asleep.
I couldn't sleep that night either.
Is that weird or am I perceiving things prematurely?
I will surely have more questions.
I'm going to do some reading tonight.
Is it ok to highlight things in the book?

Thanks Sam:coffee:
This is truly amazing to know!
I have quite a bit to read before meditation.
You stated the divine powers is the same in quality but differ in quantity,so is it safe to say some powers are limited based on the destiny the divine has for you?

Well, yes, but it's a little more than that.

Genesis 1:26 says:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

This means, quite simply, that we are like God in quality, in reference to our abilities (to see, to know, to exsist), but not in its infinite magnitude.

You are one with God, in the same manner that a drop of water is one with the ocean.

If you take that one drop from a huge body of water, it still has all the things (minerals, organisms, etc) in it, that the body of water has (same qualities), just to a lesser degree (different quantity).

It is with that understanding, that you can then move into what your destiny has in store for you, and the abilities needed for you to fulfill it.

Ok one more thing I have recently had a death of a relative/friend.
The two weeks before when over my mothers house her door opened on it's own while discussing metu neter(book)
I was not scared but she was and she wanted to cease talking about the book.
Whe I drove home i felt a presence in the car all the way until i went in the house and fell asleep.
I couldn't sleep that night either.
Is that weird or am I perceiving things prematurely?

Not weird whatsoever.

As I said, you have alot of untapped potential. That is evidenced in the fact that you felt the presense.

But also as I said, that power needs to be refined, so that you will not only be able to sense the presence, but also be able to identify who the presence its, what it wants from you, and its character overall :fyi:

I will surely have more questions.
I'm going to do some reading tonight.
Is it ok to highlight things in the book?

Of course!! It's just a book, afterall. That's what it's for. :)

PEACE

Well, yes, but it's a little more than that.

Genesis 1:26 says:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

This means, quite simply, that we are like God in quality, in reference to our abilities (to see, to know, to exsist), but not in its infinite magnitude.

You are one with God, in the same manner that a drop of water is one with the ocean.

If you take that one drop from a huge body of water, it still has all the things (minerals, organisms, etc) in it, that the body of water has (same qualities), just to a lesser degree (different quantity).

It is with that understanding, that you can then move into what your destiny has in store for you, and the abilities needed for you to fulfill it.



Not weird whatsoever.

As I said, you have alot of untapped potential. That is evidenced in the fact that you felt the presense.

But also as I said, that power needs to be refined, so that you will not only be able to sense the presence, but also be able to identify who the presence its, what it wants from you, and its character overall :fyi:



Of course!! It's just a book, afterall. That's what it's for. :)

PEACE

Understood entirely!
Thank you!;)

I need some help.

I have reached the point where the Tree of Life is concerned and have gotten almost completely confused with all the different spheres and such.
Can someone help me make some more sense of this?Also,what do some of the ATR's and the Metu Neter say about death,I have so many sick relatives on the brink of such an outcome.I am still learning.

I need some help.

I have reached the point where the Tree of Life is concerned and have gotten almost completely confused with all the different spheres and such.
Can someone help me make some more sense of this?Also,what do some of the ATR's and the Metu Neter say about death,I have so many sick relatives on the brink of such an outcome.I am still learning.


OK, let's deal with each perspective one at a time:

I have reached the point where the Tree of Life is concerned and have gotten almost completely confused with all the different spheres and such.
Can someone help me make some more sense of this?

It is important to understand that the Spheres represent different things spiritually, mentally, and physically......But most importantly, they represent your personal stage of development.

The book MA'AT: 11 LAWS OF GOD helps to put the spheres into perspective quite well.

In the meantime, it's important to look at the aspects of each Sphere on the PA'UT NETERU, specifically where the intiate falls within it, based on his/her date of birth.

This is discussed in chapter 13, I think :?: (I don't have the book in front of me, so I'm trying to recall from memory).

Working from there, you can begin to see how a specific sphere is inherent to your genetic and cosmological make-up. God has endowed within you certain temperaments, inclinations, and abilities by this mathematical and metaphysical logic.

Hopefully this gives at least a base understanding; feel free to ask more Q's as they arise.

Also,what do some of the ATR's and the Metu Neter say about death,I have so many sick relatives on the brink of such an outcome.I am still learning.

Sickness and death are as much as spiritual condition as they are physical.

ATR's, as with most esoteric systems, teach that "death" is but a phase. It's merely the laying down of the flesh suit, and all notions and perspectives that wearing such as accumulated.

We are taught that the Ethereal Self will do either 1 of 2 things:

#1) It will return to the ESSENCE; the Primordial waters that is the Oneness of the Divine,

Or

#2) It will reincarnate back into the linear realm.

When #2) happens, it happens for 1 of 2 reasons:

#1) The Spirit's mission in this realm was not completed,

Or

#2) A lesson that was missed needs to be learned before the Spirit's travels can be completed.

If you have alot of sick relatives, then that may be a clear indicator that your family may have some bad generational Karma going on, and that a Dark Deceased has found it's way into your Spiritual Bloodline.

Are you yourself prone to sickness? If not, then that's good. If you are, then it's also good that you have embarked on your Journey to Spiritual ascension, as this act alone can help to clear your spiritual path of any blights that have found itself on it.

There are things that can be done to correct this, but for right now, I think it would be best that you focus firstly on getting your Divine Self right.

HOTEP

then it's also good that you have embarked on your Journey to Spiritual ascension, as this act alone can help to clear your spiritual path of any blights that have found itself on it.
I am alright,but I do need a clarification on the Tree of Life and how it relates to my person and my Self.

I am alright,but I do need a clarification on the Tree of Life and how it relates to my person and my Self.
This seemed confusing to me at first as well.
But for some reason I read it twice and related it with myself and the people I've encountered as well! I highlighted some paragraphs as I related to each one in several ways .

Sam mentioned that I possess the auset and het-heru faculity naturally.
At first I did not know what he was speaking of but now I do.

I need some help with this meditation and such, I had was heard that it is most effective when an experienced person is there to coach you along but since I am alone I need some advice,got any.

AAS has a site:
http://www.mediabreeze.com/tauienterprises/announcements/announcementboard.php

it is poorly maintained but they do have a lot of study material available.

i prefer to call my orders in:
khamit media
1100 albermarle rd
brooklyn, ny 11218
718 469 3199

they sell CDs that will tell you the basics of meditation.
it is a lot better if U have a coach of course.
they have Ausar Auset society in various cities.
if you live near one U can get in contact.
you can get some coaching through here also.

i have attached a copy of the first and second laws from the maat book. i like them a lot.

I am alright,but I do need a clarification on the Tree of Life and how it relates to my person and my Self.
i found the tree too complicated so i skipped over it.
i'm only concerned with the lower levels anyhow.
i'm going to hit it again once the playoffs are over.

thanx for all the data jamesfrmphilly.

I am alright,but I do need a clarification on the Tree of Life and how it relates to my person and my Self.

Just as the human body has an anatomy which is composed of bones, muscles, organs, etc., the human spirit also has an anatomy which is represented by the Tree of Life. Unlike in Christianity, the spirit is not conceptualized as being a homogenous entity called "the spirit." Rather it is subdivided into 7 different levels with 10 spheres distributed among them. Each of the spheres represents a distinct part of the spirit that influences or has the capacity to influence one's thinking and behavior. The lower three spheres, 7, 8, and 9 govern: A: the imagination, social skills, and artistic expression (sphere 7-Het Heru), B: the intellect, logical reasoning abilities,and the ability to communicate verbally (sphere 8-Sebek), and C: learning, memory, nurturing, and the ability to go into trance in order to meditate (sphere 9-Auset). The 10th sphere (Geb) represents the physical body.

At the other end of the Tree of Life, we have the 1st sphere--Ausar--which is the representative of God in the human spirit and is one of the faculties that we share in common with God, namely, It's* Omnipresence. The 2nd sphere--Tehuti--represents the Wisdom faculty of God, or the quality of Omniscience. The 3rd sphere, Sekert, represents the all powerful aspect of God, Omnipotence. These 3 faculties are dormant in 99.9999% of the human race and can only be awakened by a prolonged period of Initiation.


*Unlike in the patriarchal religions of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, God is not a male. Rather It has male and female aspects that are in perfect balance with each other.

Just as the human body has an anatomy which is composed of bones, muscles, organs, etc., the human spirit also has an anatomy which is represented by the Tree of Life. Unlike in Christianity, the spirit is not conceptualized as being a homogenous entity called "the spirit." Rather it is subdivided into 7 different levels with 10 spheres distributed among them. Each of the spheres represents a distinct part of the spirit that influences or has the capacity to influence one's thinking and behavior. The lower three spheres, 7, 8, and 9 govern: A: the imagination, social skills, and artistic expression (sphere 7-Het Heru), B: the intellect, logical reasoning abilities,and the ability to communicate verbally (sphere 8-Sebek), and C: learning, memory, nurturing, and the ability to go into trance in order to meditate (sphere 9-Auset). The 10th sphere (Geb) represents the physical body.

At the other end of the Tree of Life, we have the 1st sphere--Ausar--which is the representative of God in the human spirit and is one of the faculties that we share in common with God, namely, It's* Omnipresence. The 2nd sphere--Tehuti--represents the Wisdom faculty of God, or the quality of Omniscience. The 3rd sphere, Sekert, represents the all powerful aspect of God, Omnipotence. These 3 faculties are dormant in 99.9999% of the human race and can only be awakened by a prolonged period of Initiation.


*Unlike in the patriarchal religions of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, God is not a male. Rather It has male and female aspects that are in perfect balance with each other.

Thank you for explaining!:roll:

Thank you for explaining!:roll:
Yes thank you very much!!

Question!
I am reading about the techniques of meditation and rituals.
Am I suppose to astart this once I mermorize it?
And I see each sphere/dieties has it's way of meditating,which one do I meditate upon first.
I will be done with the book shortly,
What book is next ?
Metu neter two or the tree of life?
I cannot belive I finished the entire book!:book:

Question!
I am reading about the techniques of meditation and rituals.
Am I suppose to astart this once I mermorize it?
And I see each sphere/dieties has it's way of meditating,which one do I meditate upon first.
I will be done with the book shortly,
What book is next ?
Metu neter two or the tree of life?
I cannot belive I finished the entire book!:book:

You don't have to memorize anything to start learning to meditate. I know people who learn to meditate without ever reading the book (though this limits them in terms of what they can get out of this system).

The deity whose hekau you use for meditation depends on several things:

1) If you're just starting out learning to meditate, the Auset meditation is the one you would use as often as possible (preferably daily, but especially on Mondays), since this deity governs the ability to meditate and lays the foundation for your ability to enter into the meditation state in all future meditative sessions with other deities. When learning to meditate, pay special attention to the discussion in vol 1 on how to breathe properly.

2) The time of year. We are currently in the Het-Heru cycle, so Het-Heru meditations are done daily during this time, until May 26. May 27-June 24 is the Herukhuti cycle, so Herukhuti meditations will be done daily during that time. June 25-July 24 is the Tehuti cycle, so Tehuti meditations are done daily during that time period.

3) If you got a spiritual reading from one trained to do them in this system (almost always this would be a priesthood member who is authorized to do such readings for others) you would meditate using the hekau of a deity that turned up in the reading. Let's say you contemplated changing careers and you consulted a priesthood member who then did a reading using the oracle cards. Usually (but not always) a two card combination would turn up with two seperate deities. You would then be advised as to what type of meditation to do using the hekau of one of those deities.

The main purpose of meditating will vary, but often it is for the purpose of reprogramming your spirit so that you transcend negative psychological/emotional conditionings that interfere with your living up to your divine potential. You can also use meditations to program positive and constructive attitudes and behaviors into your spirit. The practical uses of meditation for bettering yourself and your situation are endless. One of the things I noticed when starting to learn meditation with this system was that it is a phenomenal stress buster. You can actually program yourself to laugh [literally] at situations [and people!!] that would usually cause stress and grief. For example, I saw the thread you created about the white racist at your job. Once you learn to meditate, you will be able to program your spirit to the point where nothing he says will affect you emotionally, yet you will be able to deal effectively with him in a manner that is beneficial to you.

I typically recommend that people start reading volume 2 first (because it makes volume 1 easier to understand), but since you're just about done with vol 1, proceed to vol 2. This is a very practical handbook of Initiation, which is a sophisticated and ancient system of behavior modification. In any event, you're going to have to read both vols several times in order to truly understand what's going on. I just finished reading vol 1 for the 4th time in the past 6 years, and I'm still discovering things that I didn't understand the first 3 times around. The best way to look at the study of these books is as a marathon, not a sprint. In other words, settle down and understand that it will take time and patience to be able to put things together with this system. It would be helpful to be able to take classes at a local AAS hesp (chapter). I will try to stick my head in the door here from time to time to answer questions as time allows.

Great advice Sam RaMaati,


1) If you're just starting out learning to meditate, the Auset meditation is the one you would use as often as possible (preferably daily, but especially on Mondays), since this deity governs the ability to meditate and lays the foundation for your ability to enter into the meditation state in all future meditative sessions with other deities. When learning to meditate, pay special attention to the discussion in vol 1 on how to breathe properly.
I am currently reading the first volume and about halfway through it but I hav been meditating without using any of the things prescribed, I also need some help on how to apply the Auset meditation properly.I know its says how to in the book,but with much of my family around it makes it more difficult.
In my meditations once I got so deep into it that my arms and neck started to spasm and I felt my heart start to race VERY quickly and I was a bit astonished,so I stopped.

You don't have to memorize anything to start learning to meditate. I know people who learn to meditate without ever reading the book (though this limits them in terms of what they can get out of this system).

The deity whose hekau you use for meditation depends on several things:

1) If you're just starting out learning to meditate, the Auset meditation is the one you would use as often as possible (preferably daily, but especially on Mondays), since this deity governs the ability to meditate and lays the foundation for your ability to enter into the meditation state in all future meditative sessions with other deities. When learning to meditate, pay special attention to the discussion in vol 1 on how to breathe properly.

2) The time of year. We are currently in the Het-Heru cycle, so Het-Heru meditations are done daily during this time, until May 26. May 27-June 24 is the Herukhuti cycle, so Herukhuti meditations will be done daily during that time. June 25-July 24 is the Tehuti cycle, so Tehuti meditations are done daily during that time period.

3) If you got a spiritual reading from one trained to do them in this system (almost always this would be a priesthood member who is authorized to do such readings for others) you would meditate using the hekau of a deity that turned up in the reading. Let's say you contemplated changing careers and you consulted a priesthood member who then did a reading using the oracle cards. Usually (but not always) a two card combination would turn up with two seperate deities. You would then be advised as to what type of meditation to do using the hekau of one of those deities.

The main purpose of meditating will vary, but often it is for the purpose of reprogramming your spirit so that you transcend negative psychological/emotional conditionings that interfere with your living up to your divine potential. You can also use meditations to program positive and constructive attitudes and behaviors into your spirit. The practical uses of meditation for bettering yourself and your situation are endless. One of the things I noticed when starting to learn meditation with this system was that it is a phenomenal stress buster. You can actually program yourself to laugh [literally] at situations [and people!!] that would usually cause stress and grief. For example, I saw the thread you created about the white racist at your job. Once you learn to meditate, you will be able to program your spirit to the point where nothing he says will affect you emotionally, yet you will be able to deal effectively with him in a manner that is beneficial to you.

I typically recommend that people start reading volume 2 first (because it makes volume 1 easier to understand), but since you're just about done with vol 1, proceed to vol 2. This is a very practical handbook of Initiation, which is a sophisticated and ancient system of behavior modification. In any event, you're going to have to read both vols several times in order to truly understand what's going on. I just finished reading vol 1 for the 4th time in the past 6 years, and I'm still discovering things that I didn't understand the first 3 times around. The best way to look at the study of these books is as a marathon, not a sprint. In other words, settle down and understand that it will take time and patience to be able to put things together with this system. It would be helpful to be able to take classes at a local AAS hesp (chapter). I will try to stick my head in the door here from time to time to answer questions as time allows.

Thank you