Hello Family,

As i browse the forums, i've seen it mentioned a couple of times at least, that Members are being personally attacked. No Member has come to us with any such complaint, that has not been resolved. If you or a Member has been personally attacked ... please post the details, along with names and links to the violation, in the Management, Rules & Violators Forum (http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=96).

We have almost 300,000 posts. The Moderators can't and don't see everything. We depend on the Members, each of you, to let us know if a violation has occurred. We will address it immediately.

We have been accused in the past of "babying" the discussions, coddling Members, jumping to the defense of a Member too quick. Many said, if it's too hot in the kitchen, folk ought not be in there. So unless a Member makes it known to us that they are offended, we won't know. Please keep in mind, what may offend one, may not offend another ... but if you were offended, personally attacked, please let us know.

We have a procedure in place to handle such things. I will make it more plain and visible to everyone ... but here it is for now ... New Violations Forum (http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7937) ... which isn't new at all. Basically that thread says that if a Member has a complaint against another Member, including Moderators and Administrators, for any forum rule(s) (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8084) violation, they need to post the details so we can address the issue, giving the other Member(s) a chance to respond if they'd like.

We look forward to resolving any issues that a Member has.

We have a great Moderating Team (http://www.destee.com/forums/showgroups.php?), and they need some work to do! :)

If anyone has any questions or comments, please post them.

Much Love and Peace.

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Destee


As I have come back to into the community, I feel the room has become overtly PC ( Politically Correct ). How can one have a discussion that involves any topic of today, abortion, oow births, politics, etc and not encounter passion. Passion that may offend one view or another. Not that such passion in and of itself could be viewed as offensive. But the side a particular person may take can be. I have seen threads shut down and members threatened over sometimes trivial and arbitrary reasons.
I have also seen favorites played. One can not have a business and ask for money under conditions such as these. It is only a matter of time, in a letigious society as ours, that this site is taken to task over this.

As I have come back to into the community, I feel the room has become overtly PC ( Politically Correct ). How can one have a discussion that involves any topic of today, abortion, oow births, politics, etc and not encounter passion. Passion that may offend one view or another. Not that such passion in and of itself could be viewed as offensive. But the side a particular person may take can be. I have seen threads shut down and members threatened over sometimes trivial and arbitrary reasons.
I have also seen favorites played. One can not have a business and ask for money under conditions such as these. It is only a matter of time, in a letigious society as ours, that this site is taken to task over this.




I do see the favortism
I also see the threats
yet its to the point
Where I see alot of people
Scared of being banned
Where they will not speak there minds
Its almost like ther scared for real
I hope that we do over come this
Very true words Brother Kem

As I have come back to into the community, I feel the room has become overtly PC ( Politically Correct ). How can one have a discussion that involves any topic of today, abortion, oow births, politics, etc and not encounter passion. Passion that may offend one view or another. Not that such passion in and of itself could be viewed as offensive. But the side a particular person may take can be. I have seen threads shut down and members threatened over sometimes trivial and arbitrary reasons.
I have also seen favorites played. One can not have a business and ask for money under conditions such as these. It is only a matter of time, in a letigious society as ours, that this site is taken to task over this.

yo, bro! you can share this abestos tarp with me, if you want. i'm also gonna pull out my abestos overcoats; wanna borrow one?

not sure quite what to call it, myself, but i'd have to go along with the sentiment expressed here. ... darn it ... (and, no, i can not give specific examples because i have a tendency to throw that sort of stuff straight out and stay away from the places/people where it happens.)

yo, bro! you can share this abestos tarp with me, if you want. i'm also gonna pull out my abestos overcoats; wanna borrow one?

not sure quite what to call it, myself, but i'd have to go along with the sentiment expressed here. ... darn it ... (and, no, i can not give specific examples because i have a tendency to throw that sort of stuff straight out and stay away from the places/people where it happens.)


Hey, I'm just saying. :lol:

I mean, you cant have certain discussions without breaking a few eggs

As I have come back to into the community, I feel the room has become overtly PC ( Politically Correct ). How can one have a discussion that involves any topic of today, abortion, oow births, politics, etc and not encounter passion. Passion that may offend one view or another. Not that such passion in and of itself could be viewed as offensive. But the side a particular person may take can be. I have seen threads shut down and members threatened over sometimes trivial and arbitrary reasons.
I have also seen favorites played. One can not have a business and ask for money under conditions such as these. It is only a matter of time, in a letigious society as ours, that this site is taken to task over this.



Kemetstry ... are we too politically correct? I suppose to some we may be. We never promised every person in the whole wide world, a platform by which they can share their thoughts and opinions. Some will simply not fit in here, as we have a very focused goal, loving Black People. Our forums are currently open to be viewed by all, so a person can get a pretty good idea of whether this is the type of community they'd like to be associated with, based on the topics, discussions, etc., prior to joining or ever becoming a Premium Member. In addition, we have our few rules (http://destee.com/rules), providing more insight into how we manage here.

If there are some specific threads, discussions, situations that you'd like to complain about, please do that. At this point all you've given are vague, general references. Please provide links, names, threads, as much information as you can, to substantiate your complaint. With thousands and thousands of posts, threads, Members, situations, etc., you're going to have to be very specific, if you want your complaint addressed properly.

Looking forward to more information.

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Destee

I do see the favortism
I also see the threats
yet its to the point
Where I see alot of people
Scared of being banned
Where they will not speak there minds
Its almost like ther scared for real
I hope that we do over come this
Very true words Brother Kem

Show me links, give me details, names, to the favoritism, threads, etc., that you speak of.

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Destee

yo, bro! you can share this abestos tarp with me, if you want. i'm also gonna pull out my abestos overcoats; wanna borrow one?

not sure quite what to call it, myself, but i'd have to go along with the sentiment expressed here. ... darn it ... (and, no, i can not give specific examples because i have a tendency to throw that sort of stuff straight out and stay away from the places/people where it happens.)

Brother anAfrican ... you can't give specific examples, because you threw that sort of stuff straight out, but what? ... you picked it back up today ... to do what? ... feed into the drama ... having no evidence to provide any support of what you're saying?

Well ... i guess ... but it's this kind of "venting" that i can do absolutely nothing about, as you are giving me nothing to work with.

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Destee

Brother anAfrican ... you can't give specific examples, because you threw that sort of stuff straight out, but what? ... you picked it back up today ... to do what? ... feed into the drama ... having no evidence to provide any support of what you're saying?

Desteesadly, this could be part of it.

truth; i didn't say anything, other than supporting a Brother's "feelings". i don't really WANT to go there as i feel that there is enough "tearing down our own" going on in too many other places. i'm simply agreeing that i am seeing/feeling a vague "something", without going to the extreme of saying "he said this", or of having to express the feelings i get when i read some of the thread titles that are posted.

<sigh> yeah, destee; i only commented "to feed into the drama" ... smh

sadly, this could be part of it.

truth; i didn't say anything, other than supporting a Brother's "feelings". i don't really WANT to go there as i feel that there is enough "tearing down our own" going on in too many other places. i'm simply agreeing that i am seeing/feeling a vague "something", without going to the extreme of saying "he said this", or of having to express the feelings i get when i read some of the thread titles that are posted.

<sigh> yeah, destee; i only commented "to feed into the drama" ... smh

Brother anAfrican ... you are doing exactly what i'm asking the Family not to do ... presenting these vague, general complaints.

I want to be able to address your concerns, but if you can't articulate them precisely, providing evidence to support them, there's nothing i can do. You've come into this thread adding more of the same disruption, and it's frustrating at best.

If you want me to address issues that concern you, i'll need more evidence than feelings. A link, thread, example, names, something, gosh. If you really don't want to go there, don't have any thing to offer that is going to prove or disprove the situation, why even post ... except to feed into the drama?

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Destee

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Brother anAfrican ... you are doing exactly what i'm asking the Family not to do ... presenting these vague, general complaints.

I want to be able to address your concerns, but if you can't articulate them precisely, providing evidence to support them, there's nothing i can do. You've come into this thread adding more of the same disruption, and it's frustrating at best.

If you want me to address issues that concern you, i'll need more evidence than feelings. A link, thread, example, names, something, gosh. If you really don't want to go there, don't have any thing to offer that is going to prove or disprove the situation, why even post ... except to feed into the drama?

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Destee
check your PMs, destee; it'll have been a few weeks ago ...

check your PMs, destee; it'll have been a few weeks ago ...

Brother anAfrican ... i will do that ... but before doing that, let me just say that i've always encouraged everyone to post their concerns and complaints here in the open, or in the Premium Member's Private Forum ... so that everyone can know what's going on. It is so unfair to send me private messages about issues concerning other people, when you can post the entire issue for all to see ... including the accused ... allowing them to respond. I don't have any inside information to share regarding issues that take place here. Anything i say privately, i'd much rather say publicly, so that anyone else who may have been wondering the same thing, but didn't ask, can see the answer to the question. It's so much more efficient this way.

At any rate ... i'll go read your private message now, even though you sent it a few weeks ago you say. More reason why you should post your concerns publicly, as i'm less likely to put an issue that's in front of the Family on the back burner. In addition, it allows other Family Members to respond, possibly answering your question and not making you wait so long for a response. With so many things i have to take care of, this really is the best way to present your concerns, publicly.

Okay ... i'm through venting ... and am gonna go read the message.

:heart:

Destee

Kemetstry ... are we too politically correct? I suppose to some we may be. We never promised every person in the whole wide world, a platform by which they can share their thoughts and opinions. Some will simply not fit in here, as we have a very focused goal, loving Black People. Our forums are currently open to be viewed by all, so a person can get a pretty good idea of whether this is the type of community they'd like to be associated with, based on the topics, discussions, etc., prior to joining or ever becoming a Premium Member. In addition, we have our few rules (http://destee.com/rules), providing more insight into how we manage here.

If there are some specific threads, discussions, situations that you'd like to complain about, please do that. At this point all you've given are vague, general references. Please provide links, names, threads, as much information as you can, to substantiate your complaint. With thousands and thousands of posts, threads, Members, situations, etc., you're going to have to be very specific, if you want your complaint addressed properly.

Looking forward to more information.

:heart:

Destee


That this seems arbitrary in nature. Moreover, the pat answer you gave cant explain the sanitizing that is being done in some cases

Btw, I did and gave an example, and receive no response

sadly, this could be part of it.

truth; i didn't say anything, other than supporting a Brother's "feelings". i don't really WANT to go there as i feel that there is enough "tearing down our own" going on in too many other places. i'm simply agreeing that i am seeing/feeling a vague "something", without going to the extreme of saying "he said this", or of having to express the feelings i get when i read some of the thread titles that are posted.

<sigh> yeah, destee; i only commented "to feed into the drama" ... smh

If there is ever a time to specify, this is it. There can be positive criticism as well. Surely, you would not seek to help a junkie by being a silent enabler?

Brother anAfrican ... i will do that ... but before doing that, let me just say that i've always encouraged everyone to post their concerns and complaints here in the open, or in the Premium Member's Private Forum ... so that everyone can know what's going on. It is so unfair to send me private messages about issues concerning other people, when you can post the entire issue for all to see ... including the accused ... allowing them to respond. I don't have any inside information to share regarding issues that take place here. Anything i say privately, i'd much rather say publicly, so that anyone else who may have been wondering the same thing, but didn't ask, can see the answer to the question. It's so much more efficient this way.

At any rate ... i'll go read your private message now, even though you sent it a few weeks ago you say. More reason why you should post your concerns publicly, as i'm less likely to put an issue that's in front of the Family on the back burner. In addition, it allows other Family Members to respond, possibly answering your question and not making you wait so long for a response. With so many things i have to take care of, this really is the best way to present your concerns, publicly.

Okay ... i'm through venting ... and am gonna go read the message.

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Destee

By the fact that this thread seems to have struck a chord, is it not better to address this over all feeling rather than seemingly allow it to fester?

check your PMs, destee; it'll have been a few weeks ago ...

Okay Brother anAfrican ... i went and read the PM. I will respond to it privately, but since you've mentioned it here, i must say there's nothing in there that speaks to a violation in this community. You talk about your basic dissatisfaction with our people in general, how we don't respond the way you think we should, how we're slow to act on things that you feel should be acted on, some personal conversations you and i have had, but nothing that i can really act on.

Understand Brother anAfrican, i'm a Member here like everyone else. I don't have the ability to make Sisters and Brothers say or do anything, or act in any special kinda way. All i can do is carry myself in a manner that might encourage someone else to be patient, kind, loving, peaceful, etc., but that's really where my control ends. Each Member is free to be themselves, so long as they aren't breaking our rules.

I don't really know what exactly that PM has to do with thread, other than more feelings being shared. I understand how you feel. I have feelings too. If you think you're already discouraged at what takes place here sometimes, and you're only in for the time and money you're into this ... imagine for a moment how disappointed i must be from time to time! No matter that though Brother, i can't let my disappointment move me to quit. I can't give up. I'm in it for the long haul. I've been here since day one, and good, bad, or ugly, i'll be here until the end.

I can't make Sisters and Brothers respond the way you or i may want them to. We have to work with what we have. That happens to be Sisters and Brothers from around the world conditioned with hundreds of years of weapons of mass destruction put upon us. We are not all that we should be. We have much healing that needs to take place, in a multitude of areas in our lives. This is what we're working with, a wounded people. All of us are wounded to some degree or another. We have to work with what we have. I just don't understand what you want me to do about this. I'm not God. I can't make everyone well, and focused, and loving themselves and their people with a flip of a switch. If i could, it would have already been done.

Again Brother anAfrican ... these aren't complaints that i can really do anything about. All we can do is hope the best for each Sister and Brother that comes here, try to be an example to them, an encouragement to them, give them some love, embrace them, share some knowledge and wisdom ... that's it. It is totally up to each individual what they do with what we give.

I will respond to your PM privately and more specifically, but i can't fix all that stuff. All i can really do is fix me, and encourage you to fix you, and together we encourage others to fix themselves ... if fix'n is what is needed.

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Destee

That this seems arbitrary in nature. Moreover, the pat answer you gave cant explain the sanitizing that is being done in some cases

Btw, I did and gave an example, and receive no response

I don't see an example in this thread. Provide a link please to what you're complaining about.

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Destee

By the fact that this thread seems to have struck a chord, is it not better to address this over all feeling rather than seemingly allow it to fester?

You're welcome to address anything you'd like.

The point of this particular forum, and this particular thread (i thought), was to present a complaint, issue, violation, or something that i could possibly address and correct if necessary. It's hard enough trying to address and correct real violations, with evidence attached. I really can't entertain trying to officially speak to every Member and their feelings, feelings that don't have any evidence to support them. No, i'm sorry, i can't do that, i just don't have time ... but you and anyone else that would like to ... may go on and on about feelings you are not able to substantiate.

Please, help yourselves.

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Destee

Me personally.. I have no examples cause threads were moved to never to be claimed lane.. and brother anafrican was the only one that defended me.. when it came down to it. I remember a time when it would have not been tolerated.. but that time has gone. I guess u gotta take the good with the bad.

Show me links, give me details, names, to the favoritism, threads, etc., that you speak of.

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Destee

Links have been removed
Cant find them
Moderators deleted them

Me personally.. I have no examples cause threads were moved to never to be claimed lane.. and brother anafrican was the only one that defended me.. when it came down to it. I remember a time when it would have not been tolerated.. but that time has gone. I guess u gotta take the good with the bad.

Sister PoeticManifesta ... i'm not sure what you are talking about, but if it's what i think it is ... when we spoke, you asked that the post / thread be removed, now you're complaining that it's gone? I spoke to you, spoke to the other person, and assured you that you did not have to tolerate being mistreated. I asked you to let me know if it continued. You've not come back to me to say it did. Are you now saying it continued? The problem is still ongoing? If not, what is the purpose of this post?

Whenever we get together, Black Folk, it's going to be challenging. We're gonna fuss and fight to some small degree, until The Management Team can become aware of it, and find the best course of action to resolve it.

What more do you want us to do?

If you're talking about some other situation than the one i've mentioned, let me know.

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Destee

Links have been removed
Cant find them
Moderators deleted them

Okay ... so if ALLLLLLL those links have been removed, deleted ... does that mean we're doing our job ... or hiding some truth??

What are you saying?

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Destee

Okay ... so if ALLLLLLL those links have been removed, deleted ... does that mean we're doing our job ... or hiding some truth??

What are you saying?

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Destee

Im saying if proof
Was to be shown
Its been removed
So there is nothing to show

Im saying if proof
Was to be shown
Its been removed
So there is nothing to show

Brother Tantrum ... okay ... in the future, post a complaint about the violation before we delete or move it, okay? Or at least be able to reference specific portions of the thread you're complaining about, or the names of the people involved in the disruption, something! You can even copy and paste the violations ... since there seems to be so many ... copy and paste the most aggegrious ones, into a new complaint thread in this forum.

Do something other than just complain!

You have an obligation to at least TRY and prove your complaint.

If you can't prove it, or at least present one shred of evidence ... don't say nuth'n about it.

Please.

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Destee

Brother Tantrum ... okay ... in the future, post a complaint about the violation before we delete or move it, okay? Or at least be able to reference specific portions of the thread you're complaining about, or the names of the people involved in the disruption, something! You can even copy and paste the violations ... since there seems to be so many ... copy and paste the most aggegrious ones, into a new complaint thread in this forum.

Do something other than just complain!

You have an obligation to at least TRY and prove your complaint.

If you can't prove it, or at least present one shred of evidence ... don't say nuth'n about it.

Please.

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Destee


Really
Okay
Its an old issue anyway
Its been resolved to my liking
Yet I just wanted to show my disliking
Of how it was originally handled
And the only real resolution some found
To be was to just delete it
I will make sure I point these things
Quicker so we can make actions happen quicker
Thank You

I like to add , per- say when threads are removed form the forum
or the public eye we have a place for them , if anyone can name
the title of that thread it's a strong possibility we can find it .

Note we are not heavy or warrent to delete threads but move them
if they are harmful , disrespectful to a member or this community
those that are deleted was asked to be deleted .

I strongly say as soon as you feel violated take the right steps
so these complaints can be addressed properly, we truely are
here for everyone in this community weather it's a moderator or
member , most of us who are mods are not your enemy but your
help line a voice and peace makers once someone attack you,
violate you the simply steps to take is
1 post it here in the Management / Rules / Violation forum
2 provide a link to the thread in question
3 Express whatever took placed and violaters Name

Surely your complaint or concerns will be addressed
but right now there are nothing provided or proven here
to warrent anything or Discuss.

Peace & Love family

Really
Okay
Its an old issue anyway
Its been resolved to my liking
Yet I just wanted to show my disliking
Of how it was originally handled
And the only real resolution some found
To be was to just delete it
I will make sure I point these things
Quicker so we can make actions happen quicker
Thank You

Brother Tantrum ... you continue to talk about an issue that i have no idea what you're talking about, insinuating that we don't handle things the way we should ... yet you have not named one name, one specific incident, no details, no evidence, nothing ... and i'm really sick of it. Gosh.

If it's been resolved to your liking, why are you posting in this thread?

If it wasn't handled to your liking, where is the evidence?

This is whining and crying ... and i really have very little patience for it.

Yes, in the future, post a thread in this forum about whatever ails you, along with the evidence, and we'll deal with it.

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Destee

I don't see an example in this thread. Provide a link please to what you're complaining about.

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Destee


I sent that complaint and example(s) to you directly, dear

I sent that complaint and example(s) to you directly, dear

Please refresh my memory.

In the future, post your complaints here in the open, with the evidence, for reasons already stated.

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Destee

Please refresh my memory.

In the future, post your complaints here in the open, with the evidence, for reasons already stated.

:heart:

Destee


Please check your emails dearest

Please check your emails dearest

You've got to be kidding dearest.

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Destee

You've got to be kidding dearest.

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Destee


And why would i be kidding?

I think an inder current has been exposed here. It needs to be dealt with