How can one argue that the Lord cannot come down in the human form? If He is incapable of doing so, He cannot be omnipotent. One need not argue that though the Lord is capable, there is no necessity of such human form. You may not have that necessity. Are you the only human being on this whole earth? Have you taken the opinion of all the human beings to say like this? There are several devotees who belong to Nivrutti and desire for the Lord in human form to see (Darsanam), to touch (Sparsanam), to hear the knowledge and clarify their doubts (Sambhashanam) and to live along with the Lord (Sahavasa) for achieving these three for a long time. The main purpose is preaching the divine knowledge and clarify the doubts.

The statues or photos or energetic forms or space cannot preach the knowledge and that is against the universal observation (perception). Preaching of the knowledge by the human forms of the Lord like Krishna, Jesus etc is observed universally and accepted perception. Such universal observation is according to the rules of the nature. When something is possible through a simple way by following the rules of the nature, is it not foolish to do the same simple thing in the complicated way violating the rules of the nature? When water is available in plenty from the tap, what is the necessity of producing water by forcing Hydrogen and Oxygen to react with the help of an electric arc? To show the production of the water by this reaction, this experiment can be performed once but not every time whenever water is required. To show the super power of the Lord a statue or a photo or the energetic form or even formless space may talk once.

But to preach the spiritual knowledge continuously, the Lord need not talk continuously through statues or photos or energetic forms or space. Some devotee might have experienced such super power in some place and in some time. Such experience is not supported by simultaneous universal observation. When you are seeing the moon in the sky, others are also observing the same moon simultaneously. This is required to authorise any experience. When this authorisation is absent, your experience may be true or might have been due to some psychological disorder. The existence of such psychic experience is also observed in this world. Therefore we cannot isolate the possibility of these two cases in your experience

Therefore there is a necessity for the human form of the Lord and since the Lord is omnipotent, He is coming down in the human form. There cannot be any further argument on this point. I know you are worried that the Lord is modified into the human body and thus the unchangeable Lord has to be changed. Do not worry about this point, because the Lord is never modified into the human body. He only entered into the human body. The word “Asritam” in the verse of Gita “Manushim tanumasritam” means the entry of the Lord into the human body and not the modification of the Lord as a human body. Lord Krishna in Gita clarified this in the verse “Avyaktam Vyaktimapannam”.

At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami

ANIL ANTONY
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If God could/did/will come in human form, then he is a god. Once again, If God could/did/will come in human form, then we are all Gods/gods.

Look at it this way... our creations as humans are technological things like robots or computers. While it is true we are the creator of these things, we cannot become them. They are a reflection of our intelligence and creativity.

God is the most vast and complex entity to exist. He/She is in everything... He/She cannot be limited to just one particular form. It's not a matter of omnipotence either.. it's a matter of Him/Her being too deep and powerful for that.

In my opinion there is no "god" not in the form that Islam, Christian, and Judaism speak of, with human characteristics, such as male, female, angry, jealous, and so on. I do belief there is a single source of creative spiritual energy universe pure in essence from which the entire universe comes from. And that we humans are spirits in the material world, hence the word/spirit becomes flesh. As such we also are divine in nature, but not "pure" and “limitless” while we have creative potential, it is limited.

As the previous post said thus we are all gods and goddesses. I think modern religion has man on a search for the external when the real "God" is internal. This search for the external god figure has been the rock in which the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim faiths have built their empire, conquered nations, and held the world in a state of spiritual hostage and abyss.

This is from my poem Somebody Explain this shyte to a brotha

"We need to put to rest our self-hatred
And self-inflicted lynchings
And recognize we are Black gods and black goddesses
On a holy mission?
Only by accepting our greatness
Can we make a difference..."

In my opinion there is no "god" not in the form that Islam, Christian, and Judaism speak of, with human characteristics, such as male, female, angry, jealous, and so on. I do belief there is a single source of creative spiritual energy universe pure in essence from which the entire universe comes from. And that we humans are spirits in the material world, hence the word/spirit becomes flesh. As such we also are divine in nature, but not "pure" and “limitless” while we have creative potential, it is limited.

As the previous post said thus we are all gods and goddesses. I think modern religion has man on a search for the external when the real "God" is internal. This search for the external god figure has been the rock in which the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim faiths have built their empire, conquered nations, and held the world in a state of spiritual hostage and abyss.

This is from my poem Somebody Explain this shyte to a brotha

"We need to put to rest our self-hatred
And self-inflicted lynchings
And recognize we are Black gods and black goddesses
On a holy mission?
Only by accepting our greatness
Can we make a difference..."


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N2deepthings06, that was very insightful...........

feel free to share your knowledge as there is also a host of knowledge here to be found......

peace

In the Bantu philosophy of South Africa, the categorical name for God and man is 'muntu'. In the Christian bible (Psalm 82:6) it says that "ye are gods". Kamitic spirituality teaches that man is made in the likeness of god. The Yoruba and Akan spiritual systems teaches the exact same thing. This means that god and man is essentially the same being (muntu, god, ausar, obatala, etc.) with the same attributes, just different in magnitude.

There are two great realms of being: the subjective realm (where god dwells) and the objective realm (the physical or material world). God created the world in order to have experience. This means that God comes into the world as man in order to experience what it is like on "the other side"(the material world). This is proven in the 'Paut Neteru' or the Kamitic 'Tree of Life'.




Htp.u

Greetings

Sun of Ra could you go into more detail as to how the "Yoruba" and "Akan" traditions teach the same thing? Also, was there a significance in mentioning Obatala in relation to this? Thanks in advance for your reply.

If God could/did/will come in human form, then he is a god. Once again, If God could/did/will come in human form, then we are all Gods/gods.


Peace GOD!
:toast:

If you are omnipotent and full of love,then why such hatred,wars,hungers,hurricanes,poverty,crimes,pros titution and so on and so forth in our midst?Is that ur will?I wonder sometimes.
I do love God,but...when i take time to UNDERSTAND who i'm praising and worshiping,why i'm keeping myself from so many pleasures i can easily have,all that questions come and there's no one to give an answer.

Greetings

Sun of Ra could you go into more detail as to how the "Yoruba" and "Akan" traditions teach the same thing? Also, was there a significance in mentioning Obatala in relation to this? Thanks in advance for your reply.

Mikyia wo (Greetings) Awotunde

From what i've learned from research and interaction with a few Yoruba priests, Obatala is the faculty of one's spirit that 'unites', although dormant in most of us and in order to awaken it, one must live a life of righteousness. Obatala has the same function in creation, the same ritual colors, the same feminine consort/goddess, etc. as the Kamitic deity 'Ausar'. They both represent the manifestation of God in the world, or 'the divine spark within the soul', (the omnipresence).

In the Akan spiritual practice, this deity is known as 'Awusi/Awusir'. He is sometimes referred to as 'Akwesi'. Among the Igbo people, he is called 'Agwu-isi'. All of these deities have the same functions in nature and similiar (if not the same) ritual practices.

The significance of mentioning 'Obatala' and identifying him with 'Ausar' was to show the interrelationship of how all traditional African religions are essentially the same. I hope this answers your questions. If I am incorrect in my analysis, I humbly ask that you correct me and show me where I am in error.




Htp.u

Hotep

I am because we are and we are because I am, take your shoes off you are on Holy Ground. The Natural Order of things includes every thing with out exception. The Creator is in Every Thing that is Created with out exception. We have beautiful gifts that we have forgoten how and when to use, among them is the ability to choose, be sure not to choose to be a Fool. G-d is in you and you are in G-d. People Know Thy Self There is nothing we should fear, not even the Open Enemy for what power does it have next to yours??? You will never get help until you help yourself........Afrikan!! "We" are All in All, one Collective "Mind" and Man means...Mind

If you have chosen wisely and go among a un-G-dly people who has forgotten their G-d, then you are G-d in person among them, But a Mental Slave is one who has forgotten who G-d is and thinks the answers and blessings is going to come from a Spook! G-d always speaks to us through "Minds". The Ancient Afrikan Ancestors were one Collective Mind whos spirits were in Harmony. This is the Only Secret to the Construction of the Mysterious Land of the Black or KMT.
People Know Thy Self

Ase`

Giving human characteristics to a god. If their is a god he obviously would be beyond our comprehension, like ants understanding a human. God did not create us to"glorify himself" or because he loves us, he is beyond our mental limits.

Giving human characteristics to a god. If their is a god he obviously would be beyond our comprehension, like ants understanding a human. God did not create us to"glorify himself" or because he loves us, he is beyond our mental limits.

Hotep

The concept of (G-d) All in All is given to us in our universe (body) that is a collection of millions of cells that are made up of even smaller cells that all join together as a unit and cooperate to form "You" the body that is also a part of and depens on the Air, Water, Earth, Sun and every thing else that we may not concously be aware of but it all is here sustaining the life we call ours and always have on every level we call life. What is the mystery that connects all and sustains all according to it's time, plan and then transforms into something else but is still part of the all that is never lost and is always present. We call that life force by different names,...that is agreed,..does not comprehend the "All". However, if you don't know self, you are at the mercy or lack there of, to any out side influences that may distract you from your (Prayer, Devotion, Meditations, Rememberance) purpose in this life, and you may not even try to stay focused on that purpose, but some other (Perversion, Crutch, Excuse) purpose, and even allow the enemy who is to deceive you from your (Self) purpose. It is our responcibility to stay (MAAT) focused and "True" to our "Self", or we get "Lost" from the so-called personal self first, then altimately the bigger self, and miss our "Calling" in this life. We call this death because we have missed the point.
Their are 77 Origenal commandments that are only the "Natural Order of Things", that fits and keeps us focused and able to communicate properly with our Natural Order or purpose and scorce of Power. Any thing that is counter or contrary to the divine Order is counter productive and is Evil to your (Life) purpose, however we have the ability to Choose to alter our self or not, it is up to us as practiced by the ancient Kemetian under Maat. Once one has lost the knowledge of self it is impossible to know G-d. Start by finding a way to re-learn that thing that was lost from our slave acestors, taken away by the Open Enemy who is still that today* People know Thy Self

Ase`

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It's POSSIBLE for God to come in human form.

But it's highly unlikely.


Too often human beings have come pretending to be God or have been worshipped as God incarnate, when in actuality they were imposters.


Believe you me.....

If God ever came in human form you wouldn't have to TELL anybody, everybody would know it and there would be no doubts whatsoever....now or later.