Hello Destee,
I was researching some information on a site - unfortunately I don't know the name of the site because I clicked on your link and I ended up here.
Anyway, it seems as though the site was dedicated to dead people of color. On the site - I am not sure if it was you or one of your members that stated something to the effect that the descendants of Adam of Eve are European in origin because their descendants traveled North..... The comment also included information about the 'Jews' being the first strangers in Egypt.
I am more interested in the first comment about Adam and Eve, and if it was you that stated this, can you please explain.
If it wasn't, can the person who made this statement please offer an explanation to this comment.

Thanks... hope to communicate with someone soon.

Chandra


Hello Destee,
I was researching some information on a site - unfortunately I don't know the name of the site because I clicked on your link and I ended up here.
Anyway, it seems as though the site was dedicated to dead people of color. On the site - I am not sure if it was you or one of your members that stated something to the effect that the descendants of Adam of Eve are European in origin because their descendants traveled North..... The comment also included information about the 'Jews' being the first strangers in Egypt.
I am more interested in the first comment about Adam and Eve, and if it was you that stated this, can you please explain.
If it wasn't, can the person who made this statement please offer an explanation to this comment.

Until our sista responds, let me say.....

Some white supremist organizations like the World Church of the Creator, feminists like Alice Walker, and even black organizations like the NOI teach that Adam was not the first man......just the first WHITE man.

I used to believe this but no longer do.

They claim that Adam is Hebrew for "red man" and since whites are reddish or ruddy they use this as proof that Adam was father of the white race.

But this is actually a play on words because the original word for Adam was pronounced "Ah-dahm" and actually means "earth colored" or BROWN.

Brown is merely a darker form of red.



Concerning Jews being strangers in Egypt

The word Jew just means a practicioner of Judaism and Jews didn't even exist until long after the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL left Egypt nearly 4000 years ago.

Jews came from Babylon.
They were a mixture of several races of people who followed a corrupted form of religion called Judaism.

The Hebrew clan under a Sumerian patriarch named Ibrum (Abraham) journeyed down into Egypt with his family, and later his grandchildren returned there to escape a famine and while they were dwelling in Egypt Assyrians invaded and occupied the land making slaves of most of the people.

Thank you Ralf'ail for your response and explanation. It would appear that whoever posted the message on the other site was confused, and I wanted to offer some clarification. I am happy to see and hear that more of my people do have the knowledge.
However, I would like to add on to your explanation that Adam and Eve are indeed people of color. This is more or less for non - believers, and the person who posted the message. Please, read on.
What color is the dirt (earth, dust) from the ground?
Anywhere from reddish brown to black - certainly not white!
So if I make a pot from the ground depending on the type of earth (dust) I use -reddish brown, brown, or black, wouldn't that pot be that color?

What did the Most High make Adam from?
Genisis 2:7 states:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Quite naturally Adam could only be a man of color.

With that stated, I just wanted to correct the person that made that statement on the other site. A lot of our brothers and sisters believe that the first man was white, and understandbly so, but for those of us who have the knowledge.... yes, we have to do a washing on their brains, and bring 'em back! All out of love!

Hi again Ralfa'il,
You wrote:
The word Jew just means a practicioner of Judaism and Jews didn't even exist until long after the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL left Egypt nearly 4000 years ago.

Yes, the word Jew, how it is viewed today is just a practicioner of Judaism, and you are right it didn't exist until the Israelites left Egypt. It was a name given to Israelites by their Roman captors because Israel was divided into Northern and Southern sections. The North was inhabited by the 11? tribes, while the South was inhabited by the tribe of Judah and part of Levy. When the Romans took over Southern Israel, they came out with the term Jew - short for Judah, and the Romans also coined the term Judaism because of the 'religious' rites that the Judahites performed.



Most, if not all of Israel got 'mixed'. Israel was interbreeding with the women of other nations... Solomon is one example, and there are many, many, many more. Israel was in the land of Egypt for many, many years. Trust me, cross breeding was taking place. The scriptures also states that Israelites were intermingling with the people of other nations.

As far as the Jews that we do see on the street - I am assuming those are the ones that you say come from Babylon, I am in the process of researching that issue now. I am reading a book now, that hopefully will help to answer that question for me.

Peace and Blessings.

Thank you Ralf'ail for your response and explanation. It would appear that whoever posted the message on the other site was confused, and I wanted to offer some clarification. I am happy to see and hear that more of my people do have the knowledge.
However, I would like to add on to your explanation that Adam and Eve are indeed people of color. This is more or less for non - believers, and the person who posted the message. Please, read on.
What color is the dirt (earth, dust) from the ground?
Anywhere from reddish brown to black - certainly not white!
So if I make a pot from the ground depending on the type of earth (dust) I use -reddish brown, brown, or black, wouldn't that pot be that color?

What did the Most High make Adam from?
Genisis 2:7 states:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Quite naturally Adam could only be a man of color.

With that stated, I just wanted to correct the person that made that statement on the other site. A lot of our brothers and sisters believe that the first man was white, and understandbly so, but for those of us who have the knowledge.... yes, we have to do a washing on their brains, and bring 'em back! All out of love!

PEACE CHANDRA:

The issue lies not necessarily in what Adam looked like, but the science surrounding his exsistence.....

If we attempt to look at the Bible and any of its portenses as historical documentation, then it must in its entirety be scrutinized under historical criteria.

Let's set aside the (VERY IMPORTANT) fact that there are no verifiable remains or artifacts associated with the Biblical name of "ADAM".....

If we attempt to trace the rather convoluted Biblical chronology, we find ADAM's creation to only be about 6,000 years old.

This is hard-pressed to be reconciled with any actual, established history of humanity, especially if ADAM is asserted to be the progenitor of humanity, as orthodox Judeo-Christian-Islamic theology proclaims.

Then we are faced with the dilemma of reconciling the scientific issue, of how this one man and woman (ADAM and EVE), who had only given birth to 3 male children (CAIN, ABEL and SETH) carried forward as the progenitors of humanity.

How far should we bend, or even abandon the issues of morality--not to mention common sense-- in order to shoe horn this BELIEF into the realm of scientific correctness?

We cannot stop our scientific scrutiny on whether this character was Black, but take it even further, with the question of whether he exsisted to begin with.

The latter notion supercedes the former by leaps and bounds.

PEACE

Samurai, just got through reading your message, and it seems as if you are dealing with science and not the scriptures.

I cannot attempt to try to change the way you view or see the world. You see things from a scientific viewpoint. I don't deal too much with science. I believe that we are spiritual beings living in a physical body.
I believe in a Supreme and True and Living Creator.

I didn't come on this site to debate Evolution v. Darwinisim v. Science v. Scripture.

I just came to comment on some misinformation that someone posted on
another website.

If you want to converse about scriptures - in that, we can converse, but I cannot go into science. It never really fascinated me, and I don't have the patience. Had I had the patience, I would have had my own patients....

Chanda

Thanx

Indeed Adam and most of the prophets like Moses and Jesus whom we read about were people of color, but the enemy tries to convince us that everyone righteous and important in the bible was white.
They try to convince us that Moses, Jesus, Adam, Abraham and everyone of worth is white; while Cain, Canaan, Judas, and all the evil people were black.

See how they play with the scriptures?

They say color doesn't matter, but they paint nearly everyone white.


Yes, the word Jew, how it is viewed today is just a practicioner of Judaism, and you are right it didn't exist until the Israelites left Egypt. It was a name given to Israelites by their Roman captors because Israel was divided into Northern and Southern sections. The North was inhabited by the 11? tribes, while the South was inhabited by the tribe of Judah and part of Levy. When the Romans took over Southern Israel, they came out with the term Jew - short for Judah, and the Romans also coined the term Judaism because of the 'religious' rites that the Judahites performed.
Northern Israel had the 10 tribes and Southern Israel was made up of 2 (Judah and Benjamin).

The Assyrians attacked Northern Israel and removed most of the people taking them to Persia and India; and replaced them with Persians called "Samaritans".

The Samaritans adopted a perverse form of Judaism which is why the true Hebrews to the south didn't respect them.


The Chaldeans (Babylonians) under Nebuchadnezzar attacked the Southern kingdom and many Israelite were taken into captivity back to Babylon where people of other races were attracted to their religion and began practicing it and calling themselves "Judens" or "Jews" after the tribe of Judah in which they learned from.

So when they returned to Israel years later, they came back mixed and with their religion and holy scriptures corrupted.

But what many people don't know is that much of the Southern Kingdom fled down into Egypt before the Babylonians attacked...and they eventually settled down in Ethiopia taking the Ark of the Covenant with them.

Those Ethiopians are the original true Israelites....





Most, if not all of Israel got 'mixed'. Israel was interbreeding with the women of other nations... Solomon is one example, and there are many, many, many more. Israel was in the land of Egypt for many, many years. Trust me, cross breeding was taking place. The scriptures also states that Israelites were intermingling with the people of other nations.
You're right, that's why in Acts when we read about the disciples of Jesus being blessed by the Spirit to speak different tongues (languages); it was because they had to communicate with the Israelites who were spread all over the Earth and adopted different cultures.



As far as the Jews that we do see on the street - I am assuming those are the ones that you say come from Babylon, I am in the process of researching that issue now. I am reading a book now, that hopefully will help to answer that question for me.
These white Jews are mostly Russians who adopted Judaism 1000 years ago to avoid being enslaved by Muslims.
They are called "Askenazi" because they hail from Eastern Europe and Russia.

They are neither true Israelites, nor are they Babylonian Jews.
Actually they have no true Jewish blood in them at all.


The few original Babylonian Jews that are left call themselves "Sephardic" and live in the Middle East and North Africa.
But most of them are Muslim becaus their ancestors converted a long time ago.

Samurai, just got through reading your message, and it seems as if you are dealing with science and not the scriptures.

A more correct statement would be, that I'm not dealing with the Scriptures IN THIS DISCUSSION.

And based on your responses (which I'll point out shortly), neither were you.

I cannot attempt to try to change the way you view or see the world. You see things from a scientific viewpoint. I don't deal too much with science.

You were attempting to deal with science in your previous posts, in which you stated:

What color is the dirt (earth, dust) from the ground?
Anywhere from reddish brown to black - certainly not white!
So if I make a pot from the ground depending on the type of earth (dust) I use -reddish brown, brown, or black, wouldn't that pot be that color?[/QUOTE]

AND:

[QUOTE]With that stated, I just wanted to correct the person that made that statement on the other site. A lot of our brothers and sisters believe that the first man was white, and understandbly so, but for those of us who have the knowledge.... yes, we have to do a washing on their brains, and bring 'em back! All out of love!

The emboldened statements are of a scientific nature, and thus a person does not have to read, know nor believe in the Bible in order to address such notions.

Your mention of "Knowledge" and who possesses it, in reference to these topics what constitutes the scientific aspect of this discussion.

Red, brown, and black dirt, clay and dust" as you have mentioned here is not "spiritual", but very much physical, and thus falls into the realms of science (geology, to be precise).

I believe that we are spiritually beings living in a physical body.
I believe in a Supreme True and Living Creator.

That's great, and for the record, I acknowledge those things as well.

However, I sought not to mention them here, because:

#1) that is not within the scope of this discussion which you yourself created,

AND

#2) If it was in scope, then perhaps this should have been moved to the spiritual section, and not the section about our ancestors and culture (both anthropological, and thus SCIENTIFIC).

I didn't come on this site to debate Evolution v. Science v. Scripture.

Netiher did I, in responding to your questions. For that matter, I am not of the way of thinking that these 3 ideals are in contradiction to each other.

I just came to comment on some misinformation that someone posted on
another website.

I did the very same things, by responding to your comments based on my understanding.

If you want to converse about scriptures and the writings in that, we can converse, but I cannot go into science.

That is most unfortunate.......However, I think the issue here is where "Scriptures" and religion proper ends with regards to this and any related subject, and where "science" begins.

Even further, the issue of what precisely SCIENCE is, should also be addressed. These 2 issues are ones that continue to stymie the intellectual and TRUE spiritual development of our Black people, since we cannot seem to reconicle within ourselves the harmonious co-exsistence of both principles.

Science is all around you, based on its proper definition.

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/science.html

It never really fascinated me, and I don't have the patience. Had I had the patience, I would have had my own patients....

Again, that is most unfortunate. But in the meantime, I would advise that you be careful where you tread, with regard to various topics of this nature.

Discussing where a person was born (or "created", if you will), what he looked like, when he exsisted, and such are very much in the realms of scientific scrutiny.

So regardless of whether you have the patience for it, that is where you led this discussion.

PEACE

Thank you for the 411 Ralfa'il.
Indeed, I see how they play on the scriptures. My people of color tell me the same thing over and over again... what diffference does it make. If it didn't make a difference - 'they' the powers that be would have presented the truth to us. Did you ever see the movie the Ten Commandments? Did you notice how 'they' skipped the part where Moses's hand turned white?

Exodus 4:
6] And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
[7] And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh

Now... if Moses was a white man, how could his skin turn lerous as snow (white). Furthermore, the directors had to cut this part out because they had a white man playing the part, which meant that the difference would not be visible. Furthermore, in the book of Leviticus, it talks about how leprousy is associated with whiteness.

So, in my opinion, the whole skin color issue makes a difference, and I am going to teach and share with my daughter and whoever else wants to hear - the truth. Why should she be bombarded with the images from the TEL - LIE -VISION of a white man in a white robe walking around speaking to a group of white people.

You wrote:

Northern Israel had the 10 tribes and Southern Israel was made up of 2 (Judah and Benjamin).
OOOOPPPssss!!! My bad! Thank you for the edification, and for keeping me on my toes I totally forgot that Benjamin was included - I just looked it up, and confirmed it. However, Levi was there, too. Israelites needed the priests to perform their ceremonies (High Holy Days, etc.) So one part of Levi went to the North, and the other to the South.

As far as your comment about the present day Jews are concerned, the Ashkenazites are concerned I have heard the same thing about their identity. So I purchased the book, "History of Edom and Khazaria" , and I am presently reading it. I plan on cross referencing and reading more books about Israelites, Edom, and Khazaria (Ashkenazites).

Now, as far as the Ethiopian Judahites are concerned, they are fortunate in the sense that they can actually trace their roots back to Israel, Jacob, and Abraham. They know who they are, and so does the world - indeed. "They" cannot take that (their identity) away from them, like they did us. But I'm coming up, and my eyes have been opened, and I'm going for this ride (I recieved the truth, now I am expounding on it).

As far as the other true Israelites are concerned, the scriptures speaks of who they are to this present day.
They are right here, my brother.

On a personal note, sounds like your name is a cultural one. Care to share it's meaning or transliteration?

Samuari, thank you for your input, your correction, as well as your concerns and warnings.
They have been acknowledged, you have expressed your opinions, and you are entitled to them, however, I won't waste your time nor mine and pursue this conversation with YOU any further.

Peace be with you.

Samuari, thank you for your input, your correction, as well as your concerns and warnings.
They have been acknowledged, you have expressed your opinions, and you are entitled to them, however, I won't waste your time nor mine and pursue this conversation with YOU any further.

Peace be with you.

That is most unfortunate, as there is a wealth of knowledge to be gained and shared regarding this subject, that transcends Biblical belief.

PEACE

Chandra


Thank you for the 411 Ralfa'il.
Indeed, I see how they play on the scriptures. My people of color tell me the same thing over and over again... what diffference does it make. If it didn't make a difference - 'they' the powers that be would have presented the truth to us. Did you ever see the movie the Ten Commandments? Did you notice how 'they' skipped the part where Moses's hand turned white?

Exodus 4:
6] And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
[7] And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh

Now... if Moses was a white man, how could his skin turn lerous as snow (white). Furthermore, the directors had to cut this part out because they had a white man playing the part, which meant that the difference would not be visible. Furthermore, in the book of Leviticus, it talks about how leprousy is associated with whiteness.

So, in my opinion, the whole skin color issue makes a difference, and I am going to teach and share with my daughter and whoever else wants to hear - the truth. Why should she be bombarded with the images from the TEL - LIE -VISION of a white man in a white robe walking around speaking to a group of white people.

Sis, believe me when I tell you....
There is so much I've picked up over the years by reading and analyzing everything I could get my hands on concerning religion and history.

It's not always necessary to read between the lines so much as we should read ALL the lines.


Not only was Moses' hand turned cursed white as a sign from God.

But there is an entire group of people (I won't name any names) who are cursed white on this planet because of an infraction one of their fathers made in the way of being dishonest to a prophet of God.

In 2Kings chapter 5 we read:

"20 But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, Behold, my master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving at his hands that which he brought: but, as the LORD liveth, I will run after him, and take somewhat of him. 21 So Gehazi followed after Naaman. And when Naaman saw him running after him, he lighted down from the chariot to meet him, and said, Is all well? 22 And he said, All is well. My master hath sent me, saying, Behold, even now there be come to me from mount Ephraim two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them, I pray thee, a talent of silver, and two changes of garments. 23 And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid them upon two of his servants; and they bare them before him. 24 And when he came to the tower, he took them from their hand, and bestowed them in the house: and he let the men go, and they departed. 25 But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither. 26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? 27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow. "

So not only was being turned white a curse in ancient tradition, but according to the book this mans descendants are supposed to be afflicted with the same curse of being white as snow FOREVER.

Which means they should still be on Earth, and most likely in large numbers.

But they don't teach this in the church.

I had to read the entire bible from cover to cover to figure out this and the scriptures that identified Israelite dwelling in East Africa.






As far as your comment about the present day Jews are concerned, the Ashkenazites are concerned I have heard the same thing about their identity. So I purchased the book, "History of Edom and Khazaria" , and I am presently reading it. I plan on cross referencing and reading more books about Israelites, Edom, and Khazaria (Ashkenazites).

Protocols of Zion is another excellent book.

Another thing you should note is that the 6 pointed star these white imposters use which they call the Star of David is actually a hexagram used to curse enemies.
They regularly use it when they're fighting wars.




Now, as far as the Ethiopian Judahites are concerned, they are fortunate in the sense that they can actually trace their roots back to Israel, Jacob, and Abraham. They know who they are, and so does the world - indeed. "They" cannot take that (their identity) away from them, like they did us. But I'm coming up, and my eyes have been opened, and I'm going for this ride (I recieved the truth, now I am expounding on it).

As far as the other true Israelites are concerned, the scriptures speaks of who they are to this present day.
They are right here, my brother.

On a personal note, sounds like your name is a cultural one. Care to share it's meaning or transliteration?
Ralpha'il is just the Arabic/Muslim version of the Hebrew Raphael.

Raphael is one of the archangels like Michael and Uriel and the other El's.

Hebrew = El
Arabic = Il

Both suffixes mean "deity".


Rapha-el means "healing deity".

Hi Chandra

Welcome to Destee.com. I hope you find you stay here enjoyable. Thank you for joining our family. To adding to what the brothers have quite eloquently said, all recognized authorities of knowledge have concluded based upon available information that human life began in Africa. This applies to Adam and Eve as well. Biblically it can be debated the exact locations of the Garden of Eden but based upon scriptures the Eden is indeed Africa. So with that in mind the notion that how someone could consider the first human did not have melanated skin, had straight thick hair, a pointy nose and blue eyes is absolutely proposterous. I dare to say no one at this website despite our differences would draw that conclusion. A European by the name of Joseph Mendeleev disproved that theory with his study on dominate and recessive genes. Those who perpetuate this lie are fooling themselves and others to suit what twisted agenda they are trying to run on people foolish enough to believe that non sense. There is much false doctrine out there designed to bury the truth. The truth is empowering.


Peace.............

Well blessings to you Ralfa'il, and may you continue to heal the children of The Most High with the truth!
I have written down the book that you have referenced. I am sure it will be a profitable addition to my library. I am in the process of building a library for myself, my daughter, and for whoever else wants to learn, read or browse. I find that these are items we need - more so than $150 pairs of sneakers, Escalades, Bulova's, bling-bling, I-Pod's, etc...
Furthermore, thank you for the 411 about the Star of David, I am going to look into that - I was ready to make a purchase. However, I hesitated because I wanted to know the history behind it, indeed. Why? Because I see that 'they' wear it, and I wasn't sure if it was something they copied from Israelites, or if they invented it. For if 'they' invented it, I know it is not for me.

Thank you Radical Faith for your welcoming greeting. Besides a minor bump, my stay here so far has been pleasant, indeed.
Once again, I am happy to see that their are believers out there. It is horrible the extent that Satan will go to to vex the soul, and who he will use in his works. I asked a family member of mine a question along these terms....if a book mentions Egypt say 100 times, and Europe 5 times, what is that book about? The reply? Well, it all depends! I got so frustrated, to this day, when I think about it, it frustrates me. But I try my best to hold my tongue, for I do not want to disrespect. If you read the scriptures, if I am not mistaken, no where is Europe mentioned in the Old Testament. Furthermore, it is the countries of Africa and the Middle East that are mentioned. The true people of the Middle East are not supposed to be Caucasion.
Okay, with that said, anyone here law keepers?
That is a part of reclaiming our stolen culture.

Peace unto you.

Hello Destee,
I was researching some information on a site - unfortunately I don't know the name of the site because I clicked on your link and I ended up here.
Anyway, it seems as though the site was dedicated to dead people of color. On the site - I am not sure if it was you or one of your members that stated something to the effect that the descendants of Adam of Eve are European in origin because their descendants traveled North..... The comment also included information about the 'Jews' being the first strangers in Egypt.
I am more interested in the first comment about Adam and Eve, and if it was you that stated this, can you please explain.
If it wasn't, can the person who made this statement please offer an explanation to this comment.

Thanks... hope to communicate with someone soon.

Chandra ... Hello and Welcome ... :wave:

We have over 300,000 posts and there's probably a little bit of everything that's been said, at one time or another. Many of our discussions are listed with search engines, and will lead you here based on one or two words. I doubt that it was a discussion i was personally involved in, more likely another Member sharing their views.

At any rate, i'm glad you found us and look forward to reading more of you!

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Does anyone mind if I place my two cents in here? It's only a couple of pennies but maybe, just maybe we can see that cents(sense) add up to dollars. That was a sorry attempt at joking, but lets get down to the nitty gritty.

1. Adam and Eve, if we'are going to be Biblical about it, is indeed the story of the CLEAR PEOPLE AND NOT OURS. In fact, for the biblical scholars, providing there are any here, we will see that by reading the Bible that there are people here before Adam and Eve.

2.In the "Book of Adam and Eve", which is one of the books they took out the Bible, we can see that after Adam's so call transgression, that they were kicked out of the garden to the mountains.

3.Now, since we are going to be "HISTORICAL AND FACTUAL" about all of this, the so called Biblical scholar should also know that of the Five Books of Moses, which he never wrote...that the "Book of Genesis" was the last of the five to be written. (Please do your research)

4. Since we are going to be factual here, yes...the Hyksos, aka Hebrews were the FIRST TO INVADE EGYPT IN 1670 B.C. AND THEY WERE NOT BY ANY MEANS BLACK. In fact, our ancestors depict the known races on the tomb of Ramses III in 1200 B.C. (plate 48) which reveal that the Hebrews during that period were not black. Anyone desiring to see "physical pictures for themselves can do so in "Egypt, Child of Africa" by Ivan Van Sertima.

5. Furthermore, according to the ancient African historian named "MerinTehuti" who Clear People now call Manetho, he stated that "the invaders of Kemet were of an "Obscure Race". (This was for all our people who want to insist that the Hebrews were black !)

6. PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH !!! What you call the Magan David star or Star of David was STOLEN FROM ANCIENT KEMET !!! It was never originally used to curse anyone ! It was the pole star, also called the "Star of Heru". Likewise, the candle sticks, the swazsticker, the cross and every masonic symbol came from ancient Kemet. Those interested can see this at the "Museum of Natural History in New York".

7. So be you Christian, Muslim, Jew or anything else...EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM STOLE, BORROWED AND CORRUPTED WHAT OUR PEOPLE HAD IN KEMET FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ANYONE ELSE EXISTED OR HAD A SO CALLED PROPHET BORN TO THEM. THIS IS PROVEN !!! THIS IS NOT OPINION OR MY THOUGHT PROCESS....THIS IS HISTORICAL FACT !!! SO PLAY GAMES WITH YOURSELVES ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE !!!

This is real funny, cause if knowledge was a meal to be eaten, I'd rather have some real food instead of some regurgitated garbage. So we suffer ourselves to practice and believe "WHAT OTHERS HAVE GIVEN US INSTEAD OF TAKING THE MENTAL AND OR SPIRITUAL TRIP BACK TO OUR PEOPLE (HISTORY) TO LEARN WHAT THE REAL DEAL WAS BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE STOLE THE CARDS AND DEALT US WHAT THEY WANTED US TO HAVE.

Enough of this: I really wanted to stay out of this, but there was too much ignorance (state of not knowing) floating around up here.

very good and to the point. love you !

Bro Keita

You seem to have been mislead by racist white men who've attempted to separate the black man not only from the Bible, but from history all together, and ultimately from God Almighty with their false history, archeology, and propaganda.


ALL OF US are children of Adaam.

All human beings regardless of their color.

Adaam was not a white man or "red" man as the enemy claims, but he was a dark brown man.

Adaam means "earth colored", no Earth I've ever seen was colored WHITE.


Yes there were beings on Earth before Adam, but they were not humans they were Jinn who built great cities and civilizations thousands of years before man was created.

Many of these were the "gods" and "giants" you read about in Egyptian, Sumerian, and Indian mythology that human beings worshipped and served.

Bro Keita

You seem to have been mislead by racist white men who've attempted to separate the black man not only from the Bible, but from history all together, and ultimately from God Almighty with their false history, archeology, and propaganda.


ALL OF US are children of Adaam.

All human beings regardless of their color.

Adaam was not a white man or "red" man as the enemy claims, but he was a dark brown man.

Adaam means "earth colored", no Earth I've ever seen was colored WHITE.


Yes there were beings on Earth before Adam, but they were not humans they were Jinn who built great cities and civilizations thousands of years before man was created.

Many of these were the "gods" and "giants" you read about in Egyptian, Sumerian, and Indian mythology that human beings worshipped and served.

All of this are MYTHS from a distorted perspective of the Bible.

Unless the physical presence of JINN (Demons) can be proven, then this is not scientific history.

In the meantime, unless the physical exsistence in history of "Adams" exsistence can be proven, then that is just as much a mythological belief as any other.

PEACE

This stuff is interesting because it made me look at my knowledge of the matter, and question, how much is true, ..., and with the power, powers worldwide that alter, or eliminate history to their benefit, and then bury the lie under a lot of ambiguos, yet conflicting info, and the truth too, it leaves one wondering, and ironically it causes one to decide what's true based more on feeling than truth.(I speak of myself, and how I was...)

Anyway, the word Hebrew, in it's original definition, had nothing to do, and made no mention, or reference to color, Hebrew means "One who serves", not as a servant, but one who serves the family, the group, the tribe, etc..., per her/his special skill or ability, for the good of everyone. Hebrews were a self sustaining type people with all contributing to, and for the good of all

If you are a reader of the bible, you will notice the word or people called, or calling themselves jews, didn't come about until the time of moses, before that, all the people were called Hebrew, and referred to by tribe or family name, the term jew, and all that go with it, is a study in itself that is full of deception and trickery, and stolen identity, and on the note of identity, jews became jews by, or per, in the early days of their slavery status in Egypt they began to intermingle(have sex) with the other ethnic, mixed ethnic groups, and as a way of staying connected to each other when one was born loking white, the term jew was created so they would know each other even if one was born white, blond, and blue eyed, and this became, not a race or religion, as much as it was a way to survive, and acquire material they might not have had access to if not for this mixing and coding, so that one who was born of a Hebrew, that didnt look Hebrew, could intersct with none Hebrews and get things for those that couldn't,... most of the Hebrew tribes were black, Brown, Red, Yellow, and even white, it was the white Hebrew, that seperated themself from them, and while there is no written history to support this, I opine the white Hebrew was Cain, but it wasn't Cain that began all the discord between the other Hebrews as we are brainwashed to think, it was Lamech,( Genesis 4:24 ), and if you start reading at Genesis 4:17, you'll see this is where all the worship of material things began, from the offspring of Cain, but it's Lamech who added murder, like Cain, accept Cain murdered to gain favor with God, Lamech murdered for self gain, and all of that is also subject to doubt, and questions of validity,because this book was written,re-written by Moses, per his agenda, and the Jewish agenda to iniftrate(again using sex to intermingle) and steal identity(Biologically) from every race, and remain jew per the jewish codes and agendas.
All of this is a study that requires one to ask questions one is told not to ask,
but in answer to your question, all men/women/people come from Black, the first Hebrews were Black, one could even say God as described in the Bible comes from Black per the first chapter of genesis which states In the beginning God created the heavens, and the earth. The earth was without form and "void"[Black], and 'darkness"..., also note, about what was written earlier about Hebrews, when the transformation into jews began, they also created a code of speaking, and writing to make something appear to be one thing when it was/is actually something else, take the word Genesis, it's been given the definition of meaning, "The beginning", but break it down and what you have is Genes Is, and what you have beginning in Genesis is a geneology of who's who, and if you pay closer attention, you'll notice after they stop mentioning Hebrews, the rest of that book is about jewish people, and thus in a summation, the stealing and eliminating of Black history, and blackness began at that time and by those people, and they have stolen and profited of all things Black every since, per their ability to mingle in with other races, and acting and appearing as them, they promote their agenda, and everyone works in accord to keep blacks worldwide dumb to the facts that as a race, Black people worldwide are the mothers and fathers of all the other races.

And lastly, to put all that B.S. about the first man, Adam, per biblical description had to be black , or dark brown, because if you mix dirt and water, you get mud/clay, you get brown, thus the first man could not have been white or European, simple science debunks that claim.

PEACE AFRIMERICAN:

Do you have ayn empirical evidence, aside from the Biblical suppositive, that there were ever Jews/Hebrews/Israelites/etc living in slavery in Kemet?


PEACE

I shall try to be nice, but..., I was asked for empirical evidence, and if you are as astute as you would like to appear, you know the basis of empiricism is what one, the individual in question, experiences themselves, thus, the fact being I was not even thought of, makes that question mote, and there is another question of where/what is Kemet?; NO, I'm soory, that's a mote question too, because the first five books of the Bible are attributed to MOSES, and MOSES had his own agenda in writing what, and the how of what he wanted to write per his agenda, thus additions subtractions and alterations abound throughout the text, there really is no way to substantiate the whole of it. One , No, two facts are for sure, it doesn't take 40 years to walk a journey people can walk in 11 days, secondly, the God of the first sentient man, the father of the father of subsequent mankind(s), would not say kill my children, grandchildren, because you are my chosen, that was MOSES's agenda..., sure all that's conjecture and supposition, but it's logical, and follows common sense reasoning, and that's better than accepting what is more metaphor than fact as truth, when one comes out of the fog of the lies that one has been conditioned to accept as truth, one will see(ask oneself), how can a book of/on any subject be valid if all it has to support itself is itself, there is no other book known(to the public) from the time the Bible was supposedly started to support what's therein. The Bible itself has no empirical validty but itself, and that's not proof.

The question begs a question, per what type of slavery are you referring to, during what historical era, and who did the enslavement? First, all , or nearly all races have been slaves to one group or another at some time in history, and the methods, rights, etc..., of said slaves were relative to those factors.
In fact slavery continues today in various forms, and because this topic bores me beyond/outside the effect, and after effect slavery had/has on Afrimericans, from my studies slavery has been inflicted on those who were/are basically pacifist by those who need to validate themselves , and throughout history, while all races have practice some form of slavery, none has been as atrocious,vicious, inhumane, and degenrate as that practiced by whites on non-whites, and even today with the African tribes slayghtering other African tribes by the thousands the Eurocentric West, East, North, and South White economic and politcal powers are behind it, and while there is this so-called new christian rally going on, like Moses, like Lamech, they are stealing and killing inthe name of God, when the real true reality is there is enough of everything for everyone to have some. Get out the matrix/wake up.

I shall try to be nice, but..., I was asked for empirical evidence, and if you are as astute as you would like to appear, you know the basis of empiricism is what one, the individual in question, experiences themselves,

Actually, that's a misconstruance of what empricism is. But this is a digression that takes us even further away from the subject that is in question--a subject that your last 2 responses have always dodged.

and there is another question of where/what is Kemet?;

Assuming this is a sincere question, then the answer is: Kemet is the proper name for the African nation that is now known as "EGYPT". EGYPT is a false Greek name forced upon these African peoples by invaders and revisionists of history (both past and present). There is no such word as "EGYPT" in the ancient Kemetic language.

NO, I'm soory, that's a mote question too, because the first five books of the Bible are attributed to MOSES, and MOSES had his own agenda in writing what, and the how of what he wanted to write per his agenda, thus additions subtractions and alterations abound throughout the text, there really is no way to substantiate the whole of it.

Fair enough, but your question about who/what Kemet is, is far from a mote one. In fact, it is one of the most pertinent questions that a descendant of the African legacy can ask.

Furthermore, I would ask for you to provide SCIENTIFIC evidence that a man name "MOSES" was ever alive, much less that he dwelled in Kemet during the time period that the TORAH asserts.

One , No, two facts are for sure, it doesn't take 40 years to walk a journey people can walk in 11 days, secondly, the God of the first sentient man, the father of the father of subsequent mankind(s), would not say kill my children, grandchildren, because you are my chosen, that was MOSES's agenda..., sure all that's conjecture and supposition, but it's logical, and follows common sense reasoning, and that's better than accepting what is more metaphor than fact as truth,

You make allegements about my "astuteness" here, and then make the claim that "conjecture and supposition is logical"? Surely you jest.

I'm asking for factual PROOF of MOSES, ADAM, EVE, and any other Biblical character. Thus far, neither you nor anyone else on this site has been successful in providing that.

when one comes out of the fog of the lies that one has been conditioned to accept as truth, one will see(ask oneself), how can a book of/on any subject be valid if all it has to support itself is itself, there is no other book known(to the public) from the time the Bible was supposedly started to support what's therein. The Bible itself has no empirical validty but itself, and that's not proof.

To be honest, I'm not exaclty certain what you are saying here, as you appear to be tripping over your own words.

The question begs a question, per what type of slavery are you referring to, during what historical era, and who did the enslavement? First, all , or nearly all races have been slaves to one group or another at some time in history, and the methods, rights, etc..., of said slaves were relative to those factors.
In fact slavery continues today in various forms, and because this topic bores me beyond/outside the effect, and after effect slavery had/has on Afrimericans, from my studies slavery has been inflicted on those who were/are basically pacifist by those who need to validate themselves , and throughout history, while all races have practice some form of slavery, none has been as atrocious,vicious, inhumane, and degenrate as that practiced by whites on non-whites, and even today with the African tribes slayghtering other African tribes by the thousands the Eurocentric West, East, North, and South White economic and politcal powers are behind it, and while there is this so-called new christian rally going on, like Moses, like Lamech, they are stealing and killing inthe name of God, when the real true reality is there is enough of everything for everyone to have some. Get out the matrix/wake up.

What on earth does any of this have to do with the question I first posed to you?

I'm not concerned about the advent of slavery during the course of humanity, as that is not within the scope of this discussion (despite your best efforts to make it such).

I'm only asking about one specific slavery event: the supposed Jews/Hebrews/Israelites in Kemet.

Can you provide physical, scientific evidence, outside of the Bible, to prove this has historical fact?

Yes or no?

First I apologize for my insolent arrogance, ...
You made some good points, and added some missing peices to other info I had.
Please note, I am not trying to validate and sustantiate the Bible as being the be all, end all, per, or supportive of it's content.
Personally I see it as a work of lies mixed with various truths in such a way as to create a false perception, of which has been reinforced over centuries to where many see the lies as truth, and only some of what's written stands up under examination, the rest is metaphoric/fairy tale.
You've given me something to investigate, and it's all good.
Per the content, and context of what I wrote, I won't try to defend it, because the validity is not that it's valid, but that so many take it in as such, and in a sense we are on the same page because I wanted to show how fallable it is, and you took it a step farther back than I, because the whole of that document as a history is flawed from beginnining to end, and so much is missing as to render the book a work of fiction.
The question about Adam and Eve, can more, or less, only be referenced from that book, and there is no proof they existed as stated or that they were called/named Adam and Eve, and even with what you've respond with per pre-biblical, or co-biblical times, there is a history that goes beyond that, and that goes beyond Kemet, as I see has been noted by other writers herein.
But overall there is no complete concise chronological record of, or from anyone from that period/those periods to tell us the truth, there is NO EMPIRICAL evidence, and empiricsm is a philosophical belief all knowledge is derived from from the experince of the senses, thus the question posed is a double bind that can't be answered unless you know of a 1,000 to 100,000,000 million year old person who can say they saw and felt all discussed herein.
per the last post by Keita, the claims and sources you named may have stature, and relevance but that doesn't substantiate beyond doubt anything anyone has claimed on the matter is true, especially about Kemet, and pre-kemet, because one thing for sure, all information put out is for some type of gain, and as such, is biased and slanted per what the writer seeks, I could quote books, and famous noble prize winning writers that say all of mankind come from Aliens/extraterrestrial... And that leaves the question begging ad infinitum so what was/is the point of asking. It's like I said it's a moot point, a moot question per it's applicability to the here and now, ..., actually the question returns to you, can you answer your own question with empirical evidence, and a more detailed and uninterrupted chronological record? No you can't.....

THE QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS MADE BY THIS PERSON ARE DESIGNED TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO A POINTLESS ENDLESS DEBATE AND IS A NEW FORM OF RACISM, THIS PERSON IS NOT POSTING POST FOR, OR IN THE INTEREST OF ENLIGHTENMENT BUT TO FEED SOME SELF GRANDEURIZING NEED TO SELF VALIDATE. PLEASE IGNORE THIS PERSON

Someone responded that Kemet was pre Egypt, and it was not, someone posted greeks changed kemet to egypt, they didn't, they change egypt to kemet when they invaded, all the info about Kemet as posted by samurai36, and others is a crock of B.S.

My my my, so much emotion in here!! What's going on here??? Does anyone do any research anymore to back up what being discussed?

1. It was the Greeks who changed Kemet as a name to Egypt. How do we know this? Anyone who studies the MeduNeter or language of our ancestors that the Greeks call Heiroglyphics can see the name "KMT" for themselves.

2. Were the first Hebrews indeed Black? NO. How do we know this? We know this because the original color paintings of the known races at the time of the 11th dynasty are still on the walls of Rameses. The 11th dynasty is before the time frame of Moses.

3.The idea of the Adam and Eve story is even better. Why? Because those who do research know that of the 5 so called books of Moses, that was the last one written. Furthermore, a look at the "nacal" (hope I spelled that right) tablets should prove very interesting. :-)

4. Did moses actually write those books he's credited with? No. How do we know? Because based upon "ALL RELIGIOUS SCHOLARY" investigation, the books are proven to be the works of two or more different people. Even in the Talmud they are not called the books of Moses. So if the Jewish or Hebrew people do not even call them "the books of Moses or state that he wrote them", who are we to say that he did in the face of all the evidence that moves contrary to it?

5. Incidentally, these are not "religious issues" just because they are mentioned in a Bible or Qu'ran. These are "historical issues? Either something happened or it didn't...something is either real or it isn't. The only importance these issue have is in if we are controlled by them and to whose advantage.

First I apologize for my insolent arrogance, ...
You made some good points, and added some missing peices to other info I had.
Please note, I am not trying to validate and sustantiate the Bible as being the be all, end all, per, or supportive of it's content.
Personally I see it as a work of lies mixed with various truths in such a way as to create a false perception, of which has been reinforced over centuries to where many see the lies as truth, and only some of what's written stands up under examination, the rest is metaphoric/fairy tale.

With this one statement, we are both on the same accord.

However, I don't know how to make heads or tails with your proceeding statements:

Someone responded that Kemet was pre Egypt, and it was not, someone posted greeks changed kemet to egypt, they didn't, they change egypt to kemet when they invaded, all the info about Kemet as posted by samurai36, and others is a crock of B.S.

With this, it's clear that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

The word "EGYPT" in and of itself is not AFRICAN, it's purely GREEK.

"EGYPT" comes from the Greco-Latin transliteration AEGLYPTOS, meaning "land of the Black faces".

But most assuredly, the term that these Africans used from themselves, was definitely KEMET.

Don't take my word, see for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt#Origin_and_history_of_the_name
Origin and history of the name
Miṣr, the Arabic and official name for modern Egypt, is of Semitic origin directly cognate with the Hebrew Mitsrayim (meaning "the two Egypts"), and possibly means 'a country' or 'a state'. The ancient name for the country used by Egyptians themselves was kemet, which in later Coptic was said keme. The English name "Egypt" came via the Latin word Aegyptus derived from the ancient Greek word Αίγυπτος Aiguptos, which in turn is derived from the ancient Egyptian phrase ḥwt-k3-ptḥ ("Hut ka Ptah"), the name of a temple of the god Ptah at Memphis. For details see the article Copt.

Terms like MIZRAIM, EGYPT, MISIYR, etc are all foreign names, imposed by foreign, non-African Invaders.

THE QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS MADE BY THIS PERSON ARE DESIGNED TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO A POINTLESS ENDLESS DEBATE AND IS A NEW FORM OF RACISM, THIS PERSON IS NOT POSTING POST FOR, OR IN THE INTEREST OF ENLIGHTENMENT BUT TO FEED SOME SELF GRANDEURIZING NEED TO SELF VALIDATE. PLEASE IGNORE THIS PERSON

If this is in reference to myself, then I would humbly ask that you show and prove.

You haven't really given in scientific or historical information about this subject, only instead giving what you feel or believe about the matter.

Individuals like KIETA and I have given info that you have yet to refute.

PEACE

WIKIPEDIA IS A GOOD SOURCE FOR SOME INFO, NOT FOR OTHERS, AND IN MY RESEARCH, THE BULK OF RESEARCH SOURCES I'VE CONSULTED REFUTE CLAIMS MADE HEREIN ABOUT KEMET, IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED WIKIPEDIA IS MODERATED AND EDITED BY EUROPEANS, WHO ARE ENGAGED IN AN ORWELLIAN REWRITE OF HISTORY TO ALTER THE TRUE REALITIES OF WHO, WHAT, WHERE, AND WHEN, SO AS TO ESTABLISH A FALSE PERCEPTION OF THEMSELVES VOID OF THEIR DEVIANCY AND TREACHERY, AND TO CREATE DOUBTS AND CAUSE POINTLESS DEBATES SUCH AS THIS, TO DISTRACT FROM THE CORE PREDICATE DISCUSSION.
FOR THOSE WHO CARE TO RESEARCH THIS, AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF THE WIKIPEDIA SITE WILL REVEAL A STATEMENT THAT THEY ARE ENGAGE IN AN INFORMATION EXPERIMENT, AND IT IS EDITED TO FIT THE EUROCENTRIC MINDSET, AND EUROCENTRI AGENDAS, IT'S NOT A REPUTABLE, BE ALL, END ALL SOURCE.
ABOUT THE OTHER CLAIMS , MOSES, DID NOT WRITE THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS AS HE IS CREDITED WITH, HE(IF HE EVEN EXISTED?) REWROTE THEM TO FIT HIS AGENDA; ABOUT HEBREW, ALL PEOPLE(?) FROM THE DAWN OF LITERATE MAN, WERE OF ONE FAMILY OR TRIBE, BLACK, AND THE WORD HEBREW IS NOT A RACIAL TERM OF DESCRIPTION, IT'S A STATE OF BEING TERM, WHICH DENOTES ONE THAT SERVES PER HIS/HER SPECIALTY, THE GOOD OF THE WHOLE (GROUP, FAMILY, TRIBE...), JEW, IS ACTUALLY A MISNOMIC TERM, THERE IS NO J IN THE YIDDISH LANGUAGE, THUS JEW, IS EWE, WHICH IS A BABY LAMB, AND THIS TERM REFLECTED THE BONDAGE, AND ENSLAVED STATE, WITH THOSE SO ENSLAVED REFERING TO THEMSELVES AS LAMBS OF GOD.
ONE THAT KNOWS JEWISHNESS, OR YIDDISH KNOWS, MOST OF THE WORDS OF THAT LANGUAGE HAVE TWO, THREE, FOUR MEANINGS, WITH ONE MEANING BEING USED AND SHARED WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND ANOTHER MEANING THAT IS AKIN TO A CODE THEY USE AMONG THEMSELVES,.... LASTLY, WHILE WE COULD DEBATE ALL THIS, THE DEBATE IS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH THE HERE AND NOW, EXCEPT FOR THOSE TRYING TO HOLD ON TO ANTIQUATED THOUGHTS AND BELIEFS THAT ARE NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO RIGHT NOW, GET WITH THE NOW/NEW. SOME, MOST, HAVE BOGHT THE LIES, AND DEBATED THE LIES SO LONG, THE LIE IS NOW A TRUTH, AND IT'S IRONIC THE PEOPLE MOST GUILTY OF THIS ARE NEGROID , AND IT DOES'NT MATTER WHAT COUNTRY ONE IS IN, THE MAJORITY OF NEGROID PEOPLE EVERYWHERE FALL INTO, AND FEED, AND FEED OFF OF THIS TRAPPING OF THE MIND IN THE MATRIX.

Hotep

Ware is the 'Garden of Eden'? Answer this once and for all,...Please?! Who told you ware it's at, how do they know more than you? Why do you have to get their approval to think? To worship in one of Their approved Religions??
Do you actualy believe that you (If you are Afrikan) came from a white Adam and a White Eve who was a Clone, not created like her mate Adam the White Man?? Does that really make sence to you?? Why are all of your Religius important figures, Got to be White or Europian in your belief?? Why haven't a Afrikan authored any of your worshipful writeings?? Why do you think you have to defend Europians, what's in it for you?? A Place in Heaven maybe?? With all due respects,...KMT is more than 50,000 thousand years young before there was ever a Europian on the Earth. They know they have not been here no more than 6,000 years, why don't you know this?? Do you, with all your "Faith in the Lord" injoy White Privilege?? Or do you still get treated like you are a Black Afrikan who was cursed by the so-called lilly white Noah who was sloppy Drunk and got laughed at by his Son Ham who later was cursed to be Black!!?? Do you believe that?? Do you think you are Cursed to be black?? That is proof you have totaly forgotten who you are, and don't know what you are talking about, That is if you are Black, if you are not, then I am not speaking of you. To disrespect your Afrikan Ancestors is disrespect of the highest level to your self. And you think you are Saved?? Saved by who? and Saved by what? and who told you that? and who wrote it??

Ase`

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/DocBen/BibleChrono.html

I want to thank you for giving them that link Brother Moorfius. Sometimes I get weary of having to fight by myself..even though I know there are others with me...it just feels that way at times. We will all be awake one day...a day the earth will shake and tremble with a new beginning and an end to the old.

WIKIPEDIA IS A GOOD SOURCE FOR SOME INFO, NOT FOR OTHERS, AND IN MY RESEARCH, THE BULK OF RESEARCH SOURCES I'VE CONSULTED REFUTE CLAIMS MADE HEREIN ABOUT KEMET, IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED WIKIPEDIA IS MODERATED AND EDITED BY EUROPEANS, WHO ARE ENGAGED IN AN ORWELLIAN REWRITE OF HISTORY TO ALTER THE TRUE REALITIES OF WHO, WHAT, WHERE, AND WHEN, SO AS TO ESTABLISH A FALSE PERCEPTION OF THEMSELVES VOID OF THEIR DEVIANCY AND TREACHERY, AND TO CREATE DOUBTS AND CAUSE POINTLESS DEBATES SUCH AS THIS, TO DISTRACT FROM THE CORE PREDICATE DISCUSSION.
FOR THOSE WHO CARE TO RESEARCH THIS, AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF THE WIKIPEDIA SITE WILL REVEAL A STATEMENT THAT THEY ARE ENGAGE IN AN INFORMATION EXPERIMENT, AND IT IS EDITED TO FIT THE EUROCENTRIC MINDSET, AND EUROCENTRI AGENDAS, IT'S NOT A REPUTABLE, BE ALL, END ALL SOURCE.

#1) Just because a source is not viewed as credible, does not mean that it is inaccurate all the same.

The information about the etymological origin of the word KEMET is nearly universal.


#2) Speaking of "sources" you have yet to post what yours are, aside from casually mentioning that you have them. Let alone telling us what those sources say.

Wrong or right, at least I've given some info, which you have yet to do.


ABOUT THE OTHER CLAIMS , MOSES, DID NOT WRITE THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS AS HE IS CREDITED WITH, HE(IF HE EVEN EXISTED?) REWROTE THEM TO FIT HIS AGENDA; ABOUT HEBREW, ALL PEOPLE(?) FROM THE DAWN OF LITERATE MAN, WERE OF ONE FAMILY OR TRIBE, BLACK,

Show and prove that the Hebrews (regardless of whatever name they were called) were BLACK.

AND THE WORD HEBREW IS NOT A RACIAL TERM OF DESCRIPTION, IT'S A STATE OF BEING TERM, WHICH DENOTES ONE THAT SERVES PER HIS/HER SPECIALTY, THE GOOD OF THE WHOLE (GROUP, FAMILY, TRIBE...), JEW, IS ACTUALLY A MISNOMIC TERM, THERE IS NO J IN THE YIDDISH LANGUAGE, THUS JEW, IS EWE, WHICH IS A BABY LAMB, AND THIS TERM REFLECTED THE BONDAGE, AND ENSLAVED STATE, WITH THOSE SO ENSLAVED REFERING TO THEMSELVES AS LAMBS OF GOD.

That's not correct. "J" does appear in the YIDDISH language, as YIDDISH is a part of the SLAVIC branch of language systems, and actually has nothing to do with the Afro-Asiatic tongues that our people speak.

If you are claiming that the so-called Ancient Hebrews spoke Yiddish, then this does nothing to bolster your assertion that they were black.

Yiddish is only indigenously spoken in Eastern Europe. It is not native to Africa or Asia.

ONE THAT KNOWS JEWISHNESS, OR YIDDISH KNOWS, MOST OF THE WORDS OF THAT LANGUAGE HAVE TWO, THREE, FOUR MEANINGS, WITH ONE MEANING BEING USED AND SHARED WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND ANOTHER MEANING THAT IS AKIN TO A CODE THEY USE AMONG THEMSELVES,....

I would like for you to demonstrate your knowledge of "Yiddish".

It is closely related to Polish and German, than anything stemming from Africa.

LASTLY, WHILE WE COULD DEBATE ALL THIS, THE DEBATE IS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH THE HERE AND NOW, EXCEPT FOR THOSE TRYING TO HOLD ON TO ANTIQUATED THOUGHTS AND BELIEFS THAT ARE NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO RIGHT NOW, GET WITH THE NOW/NEW.

If that is truly the case, why then are you here discussing a pointless topic with us?

Lead by your own example, and leave the topic alone.

SOME, MOST, HAVE BOGHT THE LIES, AND DEBATED THE LIES SO LONG, THE LIE IS NOW A TRUTH, AND IT'S IRONIC THE PEOPLE MOST GUILTY OF THIS ARE NEGROID , AND IT DOES'NT MATTER WHAT COUNTRY ONE IS IN, THE MAJORITY OF NEGROID PEOPLE EVERYWHERE FALL INTO, AND FEED, AND FEED OFF OF THIS TRAPPING OF THE MIND IN THE MATRIX.

What does this rhetoric have to do with the falsehoods that you have asserted here?

"GREEKS renamed Egypt into Kemet........Hebrews spoke Yiddish"?

You are among the main people that you speak of, that are debating "lies".

PEACE

It is pointless to tell someone some thing if they won't accept it, and per proving my claims , you prove it, the internet has millions of sources, and I've found you, and yours, have selected the handful that support your faulty belief, and while it's good to engage in this exercise, the main point, the real question is what value does what you say have in the here and now?
And as it is it seems only a handfull of people agre with the B.S. spouted about kemet, kemet is a greek word, any fool can look it up find the out in any and every dictionary of merit and staure, and like elijah muhammed who first told Blacks all muslims where Black, which turned out to be a lie, that's what the kemet thing you spout is, a black or white taking advantage of Afrimericans ignorance and lack of knowledge, and the desperation of the race to identify with something that seems african.

Also, being somewhat versed in rhetorical and semantic primers, that's all this is, samurai guy keeps asking questions but never provides a solid answer or claim with any facts, and it appears to be someone making a joke of the black experience, and th other person may be the same person, I encourage others to ignore this persons post, it's lies, and pointless rhetoric. :bball:

I did not say hebrews spoke yiddish, I said jews speak yiddish, and their is no J in the yiddish languge.

that is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, this is a liar, and the twist of what was posted is a desperate attempt to hold on and sell lies.

where/what is your website, oh, you don't have one. case closed.

Like I said this is good exercise, but boring, you're an amatuer.

I'll tell you now, that you're attempting to play the word game with the wrong individual.

But I'll engage you, just for fun.


It is pointless to tell someone some thing if they won't accept it,

True indeed. But somethings are for the sake of discussion, and for that sake only. I've asked you before, "why do you continue here, if you have nothing to gain, and are imparting nothing upon no one here"?

You have yet to answer this.

and per proving my claims , you prove it, the internet has millions of sources, and I've found you, and yours, have selected the handful that support your faulty belief, and while it's good to engage in this exercise, the main point, the real question is what value does what you say have in the here and now?

Go to the SPIRITUAL section of this site, and see how discussions such as these affects myself and countless others. It is the reclaiming of our culture (the past) that helps us all forge our destiny (the future.

If you have to ask what value this has in the "here and now", then perhaps you are on the wrong site, discussing the wrong things with the wrong people.

And as it is it seems only a handfull of people agre with the B.S. spouted about kemet, kemet is a greek word,

You've made numerous assertions about Kemet in this thread alone, yet have not attempted to SHOW AND PROVE any of it......

any fool can look it up find the out in any and every dictionary of merit and staure,

And telling me that we can "look it up" does not begin to lend itself to the method of proof.

Kemet is a "Greek" word? SHOW AND PROVE. Use whatever dictionary or other reference material that you would like, to PROVE this assertion etymologically.

I bet my membership on this site, that you cannot do it. Care to take that bet (note: I've offered this wager before to other verbal contestants, in an attempt for them to refute my assertions......And alas I'm still here)?

and like elijah muhammed who first told Blacks all muslims where Black, which turned out to be a lie,

Please SHOW AND PROVE where Elijah DOCUMENTED in any of his writings, that "All Muslims were Black".

This is yet another assertion that I'll bet my membership on this site, that you will not be able to find.

that's what the kemet thing you spout is, a black or white taking advantage of Afrimericans ignorance and lack of knowledge, and the desperation of the race to identify with something that seems african.

First of all, I don't know what an "AFRIMERICAN" is.......And even if I did, I would want no association with such a ridiculous term.

Second, what about Ancient Kemet "seems African"???? Either it is African, or it is not.

Also, being somewhat versed in rhetorical and semantic primers, that's all this is, samurai guy keeps asking questions but never provides a solid answer or claim with any facts, and it appears to be someone making a joke of the black experience, and th other person may be the same person, I encourage others to ignore this persons post, it's lies, and pointless rhetoric. :bball:


LMAO.......Is this what you resort to? You cannot find any successful means of refuting my assertions of information, so you lower yourself to attacking ME as an individual?

That's cute. But you'll find that such a tactic will not get you very far, other than perhaps getting banned from here.

Anyways, your accusations are funny, since every one of my posts prior to this one is filled with attempts on my part to at least provide some information on the subject(s) at hand. I've provided links to various sources of info.........Whether you agree with these sources or not, is your perrogative.

However, please indicate to us, where you have returned the gesture in kind? Telling me that I am wrong, without SHOWING me how, why, and where I am wrong is nothing but a stripeless Zebra's folly.

I did not say hebrews spoke yiddish, I said jews speak yiddish, and their is no J in the yiddish languge.

Never once did you say "Jews speak yiddish" anywhere in any of your posts in this thread.

Your only statement about "JEWS" and "YIDDISH" was this one:

JEW, IS ACTUALLY A MISNOMIC TERM, THERE IS NO J IN THE YIDDISH LANGUAGE

This is akin to saying "I am hungry" and "the restaurant is across the street".

While these 2 statements might be correlative by inference, they are not directly connected in any aspect.

This is a syntax error on your part.

that is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, this is a liar, and the twist of what was posted is a desperate attempt to hold on and sell lies.

Oh really?

Well then, let's further examine some of your previous statements:

THUS JEW, IS EWE, WHICH IS A BABY LAMB, AND THIS TERM REFLECTED THE BONDAGE, AND ENSLAVED STATE, WITH THOSE SO ENSLAVED REFERING TO THEMSELVES AS LAMBS OF GOD.

This is laughable on more than one level.

First, "EWE" is the name of an AFRICAN tribe. They are far from being in an "ENSLAVED STATE". And incidently, the religion they practice is far from "HERBEW or JEWISH", and their language is far from "YIDDISH".

Second, the term "EWE" as meaning "FEMALE SHEEP" (not "BABY LAMB") is a GAELIC (pre-Saxon English) term, and has nothing to do with YIDDISH, as per your inference.

Third, the proper term for "JEW" in ARAMAIC is "YAHUDDIN".

So, you've gotten this wrong 3 times in a row.....You know what they say about "3 Strikes", and isn't there a passage in their Bible, about Rooster Crowing 3 times or some such non-sense?

Yet, you are going to tell me how "I am a liar", and then we are supposed to trust you about the alleged "Greek origins" of Kemet?

where/what is your website, oh, you don't have one. case closed.

Allow me to re-open it then:

Oh Great Fount of Knowledge, actually I DO happen to have a website:

http://cradle2dagrave.proboards36.com

But thanks for trying.

Like I said this is good exercise, but boring, you're an amatuer.

That's really cute, but your pitiful ego notwithstanding, you remind me of one of those martial arts films, where the eqotistical swordsman attacks the true master, bragging about how great he is, and how he has beaten the master with his infamous skills, but doesn't even realize how (badly) he himself has been cut.

I am called "SAMURAI" for a reason.

After you tend to your wounds for a while, come back and perhaps I may tell you that reason.

PEACE

It is pointless to tell someone some thing if they won't accept it, and per proving my claims , you prove it, the internet has millions of sources, and I've found you, and yours, have selected the handful that support your faulty belief, and while it's good to engage in this exercise, the main point, the real question is what value does what you say have in the here and now?
And as it is it seems only a handfull of people agre with the B.S. spouted about kemet, kemet is a greek word, any fool can look it up find the out in any and every dictionary of merit and staure, and like elijah muhammed who first told Blacks all muslims where Black, which turned out to be a lie, that's what the kemet thing you spout is, a black or white taking advantage of Afrimericans ignorance and lack of knowledge, and the desperation of the race to identify with something that seems african.

Also, being somewhat versed in rhetorical and semantic primers, that's all this is, samurai guy keeps asking questions but never provides a solid answer or claim with any facts, and it appears to be someone making a joke of the black experience, and th other person may be the same person, I encourage others to ignore this persons post, it's lies, and pointless rhetoric. :bball:


"Kemet is a greek word", you're kidding right. If this were true, why would the greeks name the land Aegyptos?

I did not say hebrews spoke yiddish, I said jews speak yiddish, and their is no J in the yiddish languge.

that is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, this is a liar, and the twist of what was posted is a desperate attempt to hold on and sell lies.

where/what is your website, oh, you don't have one. case closed.

Like I said this is good exercise, but boring, you're an amatuer.


Not to speak for brotha, but actually he does have a website.

Hotep

Lost in biblical myths and trying to find the way to the truth is confusing to say the least. Science, Anthropology and truth tell us that the "First" man and woman came from "Afrika", this means they had to be "Afrikan".
So if there was ever a place called by the name "Garden of Eden", it has to be found in "Afrika". The truth that is not in accord with the biblical story of Adam and Eve, the so-called first man and woman is, The Afrikan has no birth record of their beginning, in other words, Ancient so-called Egypt it self is more than 50,000 years old to begin with. And the biblical story says that every thing started only 4,500 years ago?! Now the Europians who wrote the biblical story that is in the bible did not expect that the day would come ware that lie would be challenged, but that day has come today. According to the Adam and Eve story that we have been told, their son Cain killed his brother Able and was kicked out of the "Garden" and told to go out into the world and find himself a wife. This means there were other people in the world at that time. It is documented in ancient kemetic Medu Neter (Word of G-d) scriptures, that at one time there was "Only" Afrikans in Afrika?! At the time of these Documents, there was no such thing as so-called White Folks or Europians?! Ware did they come from, and when did they show up on the planet? Science and documented pre-history and current history knows that the Europians have only been on the planet for 6,000, six thousand years. They know more about this subject than they are letting on, because they had to make up a story that would explain ware and when they came from. The idea of a creation story is in all three western Religions,...Jewdaism, Christianity and Islam, all claim the same founder who was Abraham from Eur or present day Iraq. The Afrikan knows nothing about a so-called Adam and Eve and the so-called Garden of Eden because it "Never" existed in Afrika. If the first people came from Afrika, then why don't any one there know any thing about this place "We" have been tought (Indoctrinated) called Eden?? Ware is this place? And better yet, how can the people be only 4,500 years old when Egypt it self is much, much, much, much older than that time of only 6,000 six thousand years?? The truth is out there, we just have to find it, but we have to come out of the "Lies" told to us as children and even as adults in America and the West by Europians. White Folks have been lieing to All of us about every thing. Black people or Afrikans did not have the same so-called Adam and Eve as parents. We must learn the knowlege of our Afrikan self, or continue to be "Lost" in Eurocintric Biblical Myths of Falsehood that were created to support White Suprimicy. By the way, there was no flood, and the story of Noah never took place in Africa. Afrika was there before the so-called time of the bibical flood and still there with the same black people who were not cursed to be Black but Blessed by the Creator of All things. The origenal Man and Woman are the Afrikans, who has a much, much, much older so-called history than the (Johnny come lately) Europians. People Know Your Self.

Ase`

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/DocBen/DocBenVMuseum.html

http://www.aetheronline.com/mario/Archive/tails_in_humans.htm

Hotep

According to the story or Aligory of the first man (Adam) and his cloned woman (Eve), all started about 6,000 thousand years ago! According to the first so-called book of Musa or Moses, in Genises, the Earth itself was only created 4,500 years ago??? At the time of this "Error" the forgers underestimated the future being intelligent enouth to see throught these fabrications.
Today if one wants to continue to stay "Lost" in Biblical Myths, the choice is to that one, because there is no redeaming value in a lie what so ever.
There are traditions in Africa that go back more than 63,000 thousand years, and these traditions are only the latest for it is mind bogeling to speak of Trillions of years and it is known now that the spinks is more than 30,000 thousand years old, and the civililization that created it was even older when it was made. Africans don't have a birth record,...Europeans do have a birth record, and that is about 6,000 thousand years ago, and before that time there was no such thing as Adam or Eve or Europeans. We have a choice today to believe a very old Wise Man or keep being Lied to by a very young child who don't know and won't know how to behave,...and the "Race" is over.

Ase`

Moorfius

Although I believe that the world is much much older and there have been beings on this planet for thousands of years....

I don't believe HUMAN history on this planet goes back beyond 10,000 years.
There is simply no written evidence of humanity going back that far.



Chandra

Hello Destee,
I was researching some information on a site - unfortunately I don't know the name of the site because I clicked on your link and I ended up here.
Anyway, it seems as though the site was dedicated to dead people of color. On the site - I am not sure if it was you or one of your members that stated something to the effect that the descendants of Adam of Eve are European in origin because their descendants traveled North..... The comment also included information about the 'Jews' being the first strangers in Egypt.
I am more interested in the first comment about Adam and Eve, and if it was you that stated this, can you please explain.
If it wasn't, can the person who made this statement please offer an explanation to this comment.
Adam represents the first GROUP of human beings rather than just one man.

Actually according to the most ancient of traditions the first human beings were Adaam and Hawa and they were dark brown.

Infact, the name "Adaam" means "Earth/Soil" in Hebrew and is also their word for dark red/brown.

You are joking, right? Our people in Kemet stated that they had 9,000 years of wriiten history and 8,000 years of oral history...so how do you place a 10,000 year ban on our existence on the earth? In 10,000 b.c. our people had the lunar calendar.

Keita

You are joking, right? Our people in Kemet stated that they had 9,000 years of wriiten history and 8,000 years of oral history...so how do you place a 10,000 year ban on our existence on the earth? In 10,000 b.c. our people had the lunar calendar.
Lol....wussup man.....

Where is the written evidence of Egyptian PEOPLE going back that far?

There are heiroglypics and scripts by the "gods" documenting thier activities and legends, but none of human beings.
We were created later on and the rulership of Egypt was passed to us no more than 10,000 years ago.

The problem here is that the people of Anu were the ones who sent out the colony of people to occupy Kemet and they possess a history of the area we now call Kemet before there was even a land mass there that we now call Kemet. In other words, when that area was still covered with water.

Hotep

Contrary to the eurocentric distortions of histroy and every thing else that has most of us still lost in Biblical Myths, there has always been overwelming evidence of so-called Africa's "History" going back hundreds of thousands of years.http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/DocBen/SpreadOfAfricanCulture.html

Fortunatly there have been for some time authentic so-called African high prist from among the "Dogon" elders (Who are the keepers of the unbroken KMT knowledge base) and "sent" to the "west" to set the record straight for "Us". As long as "We" continue to allow others to define who we are, we will never know who we are.
http://www.theearthcenter.com/

The so-called (Black Man and Woman) African "Has no Birth Record", but the European does, and that is about 6,000 years ago. They know this, but you don't know this, and they will make sure you never know if you keep listening to them.

Ase`

Keita


Lol....wussup man.....

Where is the written evidence of Egyptian PEOPLE going back that far?

There are heiroglypics and scripts by the "gods" documenting thier activities and legends, but none of human beings.
We were created later on and the rulership of Egypt was passed to us no more than 10,000 years ago.


have you ever heard of "the bones of Lucy" or "Zinjanthropus" Dual??

this would take us back 1.8 million years PROVING our existance!

As has already been stated what you are referring too is the existance of the so-called WHITE race.............dating back roughly 10,000 years!!

Keita

The problem here is that the people of Anu were the ones who sent out the colony of people to occupy Kemet and they possess a history of the area we now call Kemet before there was even a land mass there that we now call Kemet. In other words, when that area was still covered with water.

True, I don't dispute this.

Problem is, the Anunnaki (children of Anu) were not people, they were non-human deities who drained and united the land and established civilization before there were any humans on Earth.

The expedition was from Sumeria and led by Marduk (Ra).



Moorfius

Contrary to the eurocentric distortions of histroy and every thing else that has most of us still lost in Biblical Myths, there has always been overwelming evidence of so-called Africa's "History" going back hundreds of thousands of years.
But it wasn't the history of humans, but other beings.

You need to understand this.


The so-called (Black Man and Woman) African "Has no Birth Record", but the European does, and that is about 6,000 years ago. They know this, but you don't know this, and they will make sure you never know if you keep listening to them.
Bro...this is Elijah Muhammad and Fard Muhammad's teachings.
Nobody else taught this before them and even Africans who live in the region wouldn't agree to this.

We INDEED have a birth record and it's recorded on the walls and temples of Kemet and Sumeria. Even how we were created was recorded.




Infomoetry

have you ever heard of "the bones of Lucy" or "Zinjanthropus" Dual??

this would take us back 1.8 million years PROVING our existance!

As has already been stated what you are referring too is the existance of the so-called WHITE race.............dating back roughly 10,000 years!!
You're using science from the same white man who calls you a monkey and less evolved than he.
Just because some white man found some rotten monkey bones in Ethiopia and CLAIM it's of the first human being...doesn't make it true.
If you're gonna believe that then you might as well believe his bible too.

Humanity doesn't go back past 10,000 years (black or white) and no ancient civilization on this planet ever claimed it did.
This is part of the New Age movement philosophy.

[QUOTE=Dual Karnayn]





Moorfius


But it wasn't the history of humans, but other beings.

You need to understand this.



Bro...this is Elijah Muhammad and Fard Muhammad's teachings.
Nobody else taught this before them and even Africans who live in the region wouldn't agree to this.

We INDEED have a birth record and it's recorded on the walls and temples of Kemet and Sumeria. Even how we were created was recorded.




Hotep

It is probly not worth any thing to you, but for the benifit of those who want to know, "There is included with the statments,...two examples of two of the most eminent minds on earth today, perhaps you may also take exception to that as well. Neither one is speaking from what Elijah and Fard Muhammad's teachings as "You" call it, but from the "Same" scorce that they got theirs,... You "Asume" too much and understand too little. "PEOPLE KNOW THY SELF"
Ase`

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/DocBen/SpreadOfAfricanCulture.html

http://www.theearthcenter.com/

P.S: Read, Read, Read in the name of thy Lord!

Here's a timeline of ancient Egypt:

http://www.geocities.com/kamen_wong/Frames/Anc_Egyp-timeline.html


As you can see the history of human rule does not go back past 5000 B.C.

Here's a timeline of ancient Egypt:

http://www.geocities.com/kamen_wong/Frames/Anc_Egyp-timeline.html


As you can see the history of human rule does not go back past 5000 B.C.

This is ludricous. People are still using faulty websites as a paper trail for questionable information around these parts, I see :rolleyes:

The validity of this site should be automatically brought into academic scrutiny, if for no other reason than the fact that the site's author(s) is given to syntax errors repeatedly.

PEACE

Samurai

Do you have proof that humans ruled Kemet PRIOR to the times given on that site?

If so, bring it forward.

It's painfully obvious, since my last encounter, that you have not grown in the slightest bit intellectually.

Take the time to actually read one of Diop's books, and you will have your answer.

Samurai

It's painfully obvious, since my last encounter, that you have not grown in the slightest bit intellectually.

Take the time to actually read one of Diop's books, and you will have your answer.
Insults don't count as proof.

Again, DO YOU HAVE PROOF that humans ruled Kemet PRIOR to the times given on that site?