if those who profess the most advanced knowledge of the ancient books and cultures, those who are spirituality more advanced than the rest of us are going around the site fighting like cats and dogs, what hope do the rest of us have?

what good is knowledge of our culture if the end result is just another gang war?

help me out.

if those who profess the most advanced knowledge of the ancient books and cultures, those who are spirituality more advanced than the rest of us are going around the site fighting like cats and dogs, what hope do the rest of us have?

what good is knowledge of our culture if the end result is just another gang war?

help me out.
Spiritual knowledge is good but it is as useless as food that is there but never eaten if it is not put into practice.

If we can reach the understanding of what we actually are, there is no better remedy for eliminating all suffering. This is the heart of all spiritual practices.

-Kalu Rinpoche, "Luminous Mind"

James

if those who profess the most advanced knowledge of the ancient books and cultures, those who are spirituality more advanced than the rest of us are going around the site fighting like cats and dogs, what hope do the rest of us have?

what good is knowledge of our culture if the end result is just another gang war?

help me out.
I suppose I could sum it up with one word...


JEALOUSY


Often the most knowledgable people fight over who has the most knowledge and one gets jealous of the other because the other is getting more praise and attention for the little knowledge he has.

One man doesn't want to be outdone by the other, things get bitter real quick and fights break out.

I don't know about you, but where I come from....

It's a good thing this is being done over the internet or somebody probably would have been seriously injured by now.

so knowledge is actually a bad thing rather than a good thing?
the knowledgeable are fighting while those of us who lack knowledge are refereeing?

it seems as the more knowledge a brother has the worse off he gets.
there is something wrong with this picture.

i have been asking this same question for a week now.
most of the more knowledgeable people pass me by.
i think we can not move forward until we can tolerate the possession of some knowledge with out having a world war break out.

i am pounding on this point because job number one is that we must be able to get along together and work together.
black folk have to circle the wagons and carry the fight to the enemy.
we can't do that if we are always fighting each other.
look at Africa.

i am not going to become a Muslim, for example.
does that mean i can not work with the Muslim brothers on mutual interests?

i buy my share of bean pies.

if we can't work together we will never get free.

I don't think knowledge or religion has nothing to do with why brothers and sisters fight. The beauty of this website is that it is a microcosm of Black people in America. For the most part we have Black folks from all walks of life interacting with each other sharing interests. Just like some brothers and sisters are modest and mild mannered some are arrogant and confrontational. If someone who has the propensity for arrogance, increased knowledge will bring it out. Sometimes when we relive our past history in America we get angry at the abuse and injustices that occurred. We Blacks in America have one crucial flaw. He have too good. The poorest of our brothers and sisters have it bad but i'st better than our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world. We take our blessings for granted and lose our humility, compassion and love for one and other. We become arrogant and puffed up with proud. We lose focus of reality. Reality is this is a website in cyberspace. Most of us are thousands of mile apart. Some of us are neighbors. On this website if someone becomes an annoyance, all one has to do it is go to the User Control Panel and put that person on their ignore list. We have figured out how to do everything else but not how to ignore potential problem members for us? I don' think so. We want to argue. We want to fight. If someone says something about us we are ready to type a sea of expletives. What is even more amazing is how we can engage in a war of meaningless insults and feel like we showed someone a thing or two. We must gain pleasure from arguing at words on a computer from people who really don't know personally. We don't care about the truth either, we care about being right and having the last word. This is how a debate can turn personal. The knowledge being shared loses it's meaning or relevance and the thread becomes a pissing contest. Well brother James like I said knowledge has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of highly intelligent people out there who abhor fighting or violence; physical or verbal. This fighting streak has to already be within a person waiting to come out. We need to take a long, deep look in the mirror. Notice I said we instead of them. This is because when a few of us are unhappy we are all in an uproar. Maybe this is a good thing. If we didn't care it wouldn't bother us as much. Maybe we need to channel those feelings into something positive and uplifting.



Peace.......

Radical


I don't think knowledge or religion has nothing to do with why brothers and sisters fight. The beauty of this website is that it is a microcosm of Black people in America. For the most part we have Black folks from all walks of life interacting with each other sharing interests. Just like some brothers and sisters are modest and mild mannered some are arrogant and confrontational. If someone who has the propensity for arrogance, increased knowledge will bring it out. Sometimes when we relive our past history in America we get angry at the abuse and injustices that occurred. We Blacks in America have one crucial flaw. He have too good. The poorest of our brothers and sisters have it bad but i'st better than our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world. We take our blessings for granted and lose our humility, compassion and love for one and other. We become arrogant and puffed up with proud. We lose focus of reality. Reality is this is a website in cyberspace. Most of us are thousands of mile apart. Some of us are neighbors. On this website if someone becomes an annoyance, all one has to do it is go to the User Control Panel and put that person on their ignore list. We have figured out how to do everything else but not how to ignore potential problem members for us? I don' think so. We want to argue. We want to fight. If someone says something about us we are ready to type a sea of expletives. What is even more amazing is how we can engage in a war of meaningless insults and feel like we showed someone a thing or two. We must gain pleasure from arguing at words on a computer from people who really don't know personally. We don't care about the truth either, we care about being right and having the last word. This is how a debate can turn personal. The knowledge being shared loses it's meaning or relevance and the thread becomes a pissing contest. Well brother James like I said knowledge has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of highly intelligent people out there who abhor fighting or violence; physical or verbal. This fighting streak has to already be within a person waiting to come out. We need to take a long, deep look in the mirror. Notice I said we instead of them. This is because when a few of us are unhappy we are all in an uproar. Maybe this is a good thing. If we didn't care it wouldn't bother us as much. Maybe we need to channel those feelings into something positive and uplifting.
Exactly.

The problem isn't necessarily knowledge.....but jealousy.

Becase this is the internet and there's really nothing else for us to go by are people competing over knowledge and skill of words.
If this was in real life then we'd be competing with looks, money, cars, social status...whatever. Somebody'll find something to be jealous about and get to fighting and back-biting.

We have to learn to compromise and control ourselves.

I don't think it is Jealousy, I think it is ego. One with a huge ego, can make a person narcissasitically (sp) just care about themselves and no else. We are a family here, as James said, and if we cannot deal with one another in a loving manner, it defeats the purpose for this site. We don't have to always agree, but as grandma used to say "it is not what you say it is how you say it".

I pray that all those involved learn to first love one another, than go about the business of dropping knowledge with that love because they have so much to share with all of us.

A couple of years ago I used to post on BETs site. There was so much hate, so much "I am better than you" scenarios between Black folks, not to mention many of the posts were white folks posing as Black folks, that it got to be so ridiculous. Aqil recalls those days because that is where I met him. A wonderful brother.

We shouldn't want that here.

I don't think it is Jealousy, I think it is ego. One with a huge ego, can make a person narcissisticly just care about themselves and no else. We are a family here, as James said, and if we cannot deal with one another in a loving manner, it defeats the purpose for this site. We don't have to always agree, but as grandma used to say "it is not what you say it is how you say it".

I pray that all those involved learn to first love one another, than go about the business of dropping knowledge with that love because they have so much to share with all of us.

A couple of years ago I used to post on BETs site. There was so much hate, so much "I am better than you" scenarios between Black folks, not to mention many of the posts were white folks posing as Black folks, that it got to be so ridiculous. Aqil recalls those days because that is where I met him. A wonderful brother.

We shouldn't want that here.
check out IESPELL -> http://www.iespell.com/

I don't think it is Jealousy, I think it is ego. One with a huge ego, can make a person narcissasitically (sp) just care about themselves and no else. We are a family here, as James said, and if we cannot deal with one another in a loving manner, it defeats the purpose for this site. We don't have to always agree, but as grandma used to say "it is not what you say it is how you say it".

I pray that all those involved learn to first love one another, than go about the business of dropping knowledge with that love because they have so much to share with all of us.

A couple of years ago I used to post on BETs site. There was so much hate, so much "I am better than you" scenarios between Black folks, not to mention many of the posts were white folks posing as Black folks, that it got to be so ridiculous. Aqil recalls those days because that is where I met him. A wonderful brother.

We shouldn't want that here.


I agree sister inflated egos lead to a contest of one-ups-manship. This is how knowlegde gets lost. Thank you for your beautiful and brilliant analysis sister.


Peace and love.......

Perhaps there is some jealousy and egoism involved but I have not seen it on the part of the intellectual memers we were blessed to have. From what I have seen they tried their best to be civil inspite of constant provocation which finally did them in. For some reason this situation reminds me of MacBeth. Keep doing watcha doing and you will see why.

As I continue reading the negro thread my feeling is that this is neither jealousy nor ego. The last time I saw people act this way was when my sister bought a Pokemon doll for her daughter. This sort of nonsensical bickering cannot be addressed with logic and reason since it is a total loss of both. Those who know how to pray and retain the spirit of love need to do so with all their might or we will see much worse than this on an escalating basis.

I'm serious. If we value this site we must stop intellectualizing and come together. No more of this :tennis: But plenty of this :grouphug:

This stuff is pretty funny.

This stuff is pretty funny.
Maybe a good laugh is what we need. Let's all head over to the jokes forum. I've got a really good one called the Lament of Juan over there.

I still think it's jealousy and envy.

Why else would grown men fight and show so much passion if it isn't over status and respect in the community?

It's not the women doing the fighting...it's the men.

If it's just "black folks acting up" then why aren't the women chasing eachother all over the forums scrapping and taking shots at eachother?


Also, we must understand that some people just love to challenge and debate by nature.

It's not necessarily negative but hell, if we're always agreeing with eachother then what's the point of posting?

Some people like challenging and debating different points of view more than others, but like I said.....when it starts getting personal and the beef gets carried from thread to thread...then it becomes a problem.








James you ask why do we fight?


I can't speak for anyone else's personal beefs but as far as me and Sam go....


To be totally honest with you all I believe I mistook brother Sam's style of posting as a personal sign of disrespect and an act of aggression.

When you take a person's post and break it down line by line declaring your approval and disapproval on every little detail they write....as he does....most people will see that as a challenge.

That's what he did to me when he first got here and that's how I took it, and the heat was on ever since.


Not until a few weeks ago did I take time to find out that he did that with everyone and that's just his style.


I suppose it's too late, but I don't know how many people I can bust their posts down line by line showing my approval and disapproval declaring what is right and what is false and they not either be offended or see it as a challenge.

So I believe we got off on the wrong foot.

Brother Ralfa'il ... i didn't allow you to stay, so you can go on and on about Brother SAMURAI, without him being here to respond. Please keep your comments general, or talk about yourself. Brother James' question was a general one, he didn't ask anything about anyone specifically.

Let it go, please.

:heart:

Destee

Destee

Brother Ralfa'il ... i didn't allow you to stay, so you can go on and on about Brother SAMURAI, without him being here to respond. Please keep your comments general, or talk about yourself. Brother James' question was a general one, he didn't ask anything about anyone specifically.

Let it go, please.

OK

See....I know how to behave myself... :baby:

James

In answer to your question. This answer does not concern the fights that recently resulted in certain people being banned from this site since I still have yet to fing those posts where the fighting was done.

But a lot of the fighting in the Black community stems from our inability to agree to disagree. When we get hold of the notion that the world will end--that someone will die if we can't get people to agree to what we feel is the "truth" then it is hard to let an issue go. It becomes vital that we get our point across.

It's no piece of cake but I try to look at all sides of an issue. Like my mother says there are three sides to every story--your side, my side and the truth.

[quote]Like my mother says there are three sides to every story--your side, my side and the truth.[quote]

(smiling)I love that saying Sister River! Moms is indeed a wise women!

(smiling)I love that saying Sister River! Moms is indeed a wise women!
:hearts4: (((((PurpleMoons))))) :hearts4:

It seems to me that those who are able to sling the most B.S. around and tickle the eardrums get the most respect.
.....not those who stand firm by their beliefs and speak the truth as they know it.


So ofcourse there will be conflict when you have this type of imbalance and injustice going on in society.


As far as I'm concerned, going with the flow and ganging up on people you disagree with isn't a sign of strength and courage; it's a sign of weakness and insecurity.

The strong one is the man who can stand by his words despite all manner of opposition.


This is confirmed by the fact that most of these people who fight and gang up on those with opposite beliefs...usually are the same ones who fold and are ready to break and run under the slightest pressure or criticizm.

The strong one is the man who can stand by his words despite all manner of opposition.
suppose he is wrong?
how does he ever find that out?

James


suppose he is wrong?
how does he ever find that out?
Good question......

In order to know he's wrong....you have to know the others who are opposing him is right.


Just because some of these characters come to you with all this fantastic jive about mythical ages of spirituality, Atlantis, what black folks did or didn't do in Kemet, and making up all kinds of weird sounding names....

Doesn't mean they are any more correct than me or my Christian brother about history.

Most people just like what they hear and decide to follow them.


Now if some of you decide to accept what they say over what another brother may say because you "like" them better.....then that's on you.
I can't help that.


But who can definately say who or what is right or wrong?

It's tempting to continue a debate when one's opponent can not answer.But you wouldn't fall to such temptation, would you Ralf?

Your efforts to castigate a man whom many of us still consider as a brother are not gaining you any goody points. Even Destee has asked you not to do that and you temporarily complied. Maybe the next time she won't be asking.

River


It's tempting to continue a debate when one's opponent can not answer.But you wouldn't fall to such temptation, would you Ralf?
Certainly not!


Your efforts to castigate a man whom many of us still consider as a brother are not gaining you any goody points. Even Destee has asked you not to do that and you temporarily complied. Maybe the next time she won't be asking.

:yo: MmmmmHmmmmm.....

Can't argue with you there.

i will abandon my position in a nanosecond if you show me that i am wrong.
my first loyalty is to the truth.

make love not war :D

serious note-

personally what l center attention to when l either read or participate in a discussion is indwelling, not intelligence.
The truth is that l could never know you by what you know. You could tell me the earth spins on its axis with scientific proof but if your words are drawn like swords to your brother, your heart spins on evil. Again, l could never know you by what you know but by who you are- and who you are can not be defined by what you know.

why fight? l think this is a simple but good question. There's nothing wrong when you fight for a cause or effect. But in this particular forum l ask myself what is the cause? what is the motive or intent? My answer lies in the effect. When you are banned b/c your words are either personally offensive or explicit, indwelling becomes the curiosity to the reader and not intelligence. lt gets childish and uninteresting. Much debate, dialogue and discussion can be intelligently argued; however, it seems that these are being more confrontationally argued and this attitude has overridden the goal of unity- even while disagreeing.

Earthquakes occur where the edges of plates run into one another. lt's funny how these edges are called "faults". When the forces along the faults build up over some time, the rocks break and you have an earthquake which is a capable killer of thousands. ... These plates happen to be the people who have personal vendettas towards each other and become sideswiped into cyber-style disses- away from talk and proof of unity- even while disagreeing.

Jesus, loved by some hated by some, was about his Father's business- not his own. Therefore what he said and did was to his Father's glory- not his own. Unless it is our own, why should we be offended at what is said against our faith & belief? why fight? The battle is God's.

it gets childish and uninteresting............

yes, it does.

make love not war :D

serious note-

personally what l center attention to when l either read or participate in a discussion is indwelling, not intelligence.
The truth is that l could never know you by what you know. You could tell me the earth spins on its axis with scientific proof but if your words are drawn like swords to your brother, your heart spins on evil. Again, l could never know you by what you know but by who you are- and who you are can not be defined by what you know.

why fight? l think this is a simple but good question. There's nothing wrong when you fight for a cause or effect. But in this particular forum l ask myself what is the cause? what is the motive or intent? My answer lies in the effect. When you are banned b/c your words are either personally offensive or explicit, indwelling becomes the curiosity to the reader and not intelligence. lt gets childish and uninteresting. Much debate, dialogue and discussion can be intelligently argued; however, it seems that these are being more confrontationally argued and this attitude has overridden the goal of unity- even while disagreeing.

Earthquakes occur where the edges of plates run into one another. lt's funny how these edges are called "faults". When the forces along the faults build up over some time, the rocks break and you have an earthquake which is a capable killer of thousands. ... These plates happen to be the people who have personal vendettas towards each other and become sideswiped into cyber-style disses- away from talk and proof of unity- even while disagreeing.

Jesus, loved by some hated by some, was about his Father's business- not his own. Therefore what he said and did was to his Father's glory- not his own. Unless it is our own, why should we be offended at what is said against our faith & belief? why fight? The battle is God's.

Very well said...

if those who profess the most advanced knowledge of the ancient books and cultures, those who are spirituality more advanced than the rest of us are going around the site fighting like cats and dogs, what hope do the rest of us have?

what good is knowledge of our culture if the end result is just another gang war?

help me out.

I thought this would be the best thread in which to announce my return albeit shortlived).

In answer to the question posed above, I would like to attempt to dispell some notions that this infers, both here and in some other threads I've read, both since my return and prior to my absense.

There is a deep misconception about those who are spiritual-oriented in this world, that they/we must be some passive, "turn the other cheek" types who allow ourselves to be walked over and subjugated on a personal, individual and collective level.

This concept no doubt comes from the Judeo-Christian mechanism, that the Oppressor whom utilizes this religion as a method of conquering imposes upon a mentally, physically defeated people.

You'll find in little to no other spiritual system, that the system itself, nor any of its practicioners adhere so such a defeatist mentality:

Buddhist practice for hours on end each day, years on end throughout their lives in various forms of martial arts. Yet, they are some of the most peaceful people on this earth. When is the last time you've seen a Buddhist on the news, committing some crime of any sort?

In the HEALTH section of this site, there is a martial arts thread, in which several people (including myself, and especially including the original poster of this question to which I am now answering) answered, that they have or do practice some sort of martial system.

I call myself SAMURAI for a plethora of reasons--many of which, I've explained on here several times, despite the foolish accusations in spite (which I'll address shortly).

The SAMURAI (spoken of on a personal and historical perspective) is a very interesting, simplistically complex dichotomy of ideals and principles, all balanced very well, upon the tip of a razor sharp kitana blade. The SAMURAI owes no one nothing, and everyone everything at the same time.

Everything, without exception in this universe "fights" on some level, for some reason or another. It's not fighting that should be seen as an issue, but how the fight is conducted, and even more, the REASON for the fight, that is most important.

Now, the better question to have been asked, is not why do we fight, but what are we fighting for (semantics aside, these are 2 different questions).

The reason(s) that I've read here:

I suppose I could sum it up with one word...


JEALOUSY

Are the most ignorant, perposterous, absurd, and ridiculous things I have ever heard to fly out of one human being's mouth.

Let is REALLY examine this with a scrutinous mind.....

In order for me to "fight" someone out of "jealousy", my opponent would have to have something(s) in his/her possession that I do not.

Anyone who has read a single thread on this site, with casual interest, can plainly see that there is NOTHING that I, in particular, want or need anything that anyone--PARTICULARLY the individual who made such a baseless accusation--has.

If "knowledge" is the spoil of such a "war" to be fought over here, then let's be realistic:

This individual has openly stated that he is not very educated, knows very little about the topics in which he engages in, operates almost strictly upon what he "believes", and even further confuses "belief" with "knowledge".

Why would I be jealous? :confused:

Please, all who read this, be assured: "Jealousy" is not the motive here--though there is indeed a motive.

so knowledge is actually a bad thing rather than a good thing?
the knowledgeable are fighting while those of us who lack knowledge are refereeing?

Brother James, please don't entertain the folly of the foolish.

Knowledge is only a "bad thing" for those who rebuke it--as has taken place for a few people around here.

it seems as the more knowledge a brother has the worse off he gets.

Aside from the fact that "he whom much is given, much is required", could you give some instances where this is supposed to be the case?

i think we can not move forward until we can tolerate the possession of some knowledge with out having a world war break out.

What I have not seen you (nor others here) address YET, is the issue of when these "world wars" break out, and who serves as the instigators of them.

Most people here have no problems giving praise to/for the more knowledgeable peoples on here, as they no doubt recognize that knowledge is indeed a prize to have, even if they themselves do not possess it.

However, there are those that covet on various levels--and not just knowledge; attention, respect, etc.......Thus, when these things are not directed in their direction, the tantrums are thrown, and names are called, etc.

All things in exsistence--including PROBLEMS--have their own source.

If the "Devil" is causing problems amongst the people--making them fight one another and whatnot, is the Devil not to be blamed? Or do you lump all the people--people who would not have been fighting to begin with, were it not for this Devil--together with this Devil, and punish them all?

It is interesting to me, how the first person to offer up a prognosis of the problem, is in all actuality the very source of it.

However, how is this fact overlooked constantly? Where is the name-calling and "fighting", outside of the presence of key individuals?

Our people by nature and by history, do not engage in fighting unless we absolutely have to. I have mentioned in numerous discussions, that I as a SAMURAI strive not to unsheath my Blade, as it is a Sin to do so, unless it is utlized for righteous purposes.

When it is unsheathed, it is used solely to cut through the ignorance, lies, and disrespect that was plaguing this board at one point (and, I'm sure will be the case again, since 2 weeks is a very short period of time).

When a SAMURAI is not in combat mode, he is usually a peaceful, jovial, often stoic, but very wise and ultimately respectful and overall very likeable individual.

I issue the formal challenge to anyone here, to site consistent instance where the above description has not matched my demeanor during my time on this site.

Thus, a better position to take in contrast to abhorring the fight, is when you hear the ringing from the vibration of reinforced stainless steel.......When you see the sun's glimmer bouncing against refined polished razor sharp metal......

You should instead be wondering what someone did to take the SAMURAI out of his calm demeanor.

PEACE

Welcome back brother Samurai. Though we may disagree on many things our commonality superceeds our differences. My philosophy about fighting is "If it not worth dying for it not worth fighting for". Knowing myself, though it may not seem by the love I share that I'm mild mannered and easy going, I in fact have a terribe temper. I has taken me years to control this part of me. Though you feel Judeo-Christian philosophy prohibits defense from being attacked I however don't see it that way. I live be the authority of an interactive God that allows things to happen in my life whether it be triumph or tragedy. The flesh man has no authority over my person. This is why the battles that we wage are not in the physical realm but the spiritual realm. This means my enemy is not physical. It's about trusting and have faith in God. Before I can identify an outside enemy I must look inward at the desires of my flesh that will surely destroy me. This is why my greatest battle is with myself. It is a continuous battle that I will wage all my life. I give our so called oppressors no credit or power. We are the way we are because of us and not anyone else. As far as verbal disputes and arguements, I'd rather not go there. I can't change anyones mind by my words. As for verbal attacks, I don't reciprocate by attacking, especially if the only thing to gain is the satisfaction of proving myself right to and audience. It is more profitable to keep the peace rather than to fight a cyber-war of words. As for being physical attacked, if all else fails I will defend myself. The greatest victory is when there are no casualities or use of force.


Peace Bruh good to see you........

I The reason(s) that I've read here:

I suppose I could sum it up with one word...


JEALOUSY

Are the most ignorant, preposterous, absurd, and ridiculous things I have ever heard to fly out of one human being's mouth.PEACE
you see, these are fighting words.
you could have said: "this reason is not valid to me" or "let me show a better reason".

the main tactic of COINTELPRO is to get us to harm ourselves.

i will prevent this from happenning.
that is why i became a moderator.
i will actively see to it that NO evil befalls this space.
i'm not trying to ban anyone.
my mission is to maintain the flow of knowledge for the benefit of all.

you see, these are fighting words.
you could have said: "this reason is not valid to me" or "let me show a better reason".

the main tactic of COINTELPRO is to get us to harm ourselves.

i will prevent this from happenning.
that is why i became a moderator.
i will actively see to it that NO evil befalls this space.
i'm not trying to ban anyone.
my mission is to maintain the flow of knowledge for the benefit of all.




I Have A Question Ok . Pleasezzz Don't Take Question The Wrong Way Ok .
Are You Able To Judge EveryOne Equal-ly & Fair-ly , Reason Why I'm Asking I Feel Your Loyalty Lie With Some Of The Members Here , Because One Of The Moderator.Here Have Show Where His < Loyalty > Lie . This Is Not To Say I'm Going To Start Any Trouble Ok ... Because Until Miss Deste Put EveryOne In Check There Was Those Who Got Away With Murder . And Thats Because They Had The Moderator In There Back Pocket . Just Wondering ...

I Have A Question Ok . Pleasezzz Don't Take Question The Wrong Way Ok .
Are You Able To Judge EveryOne Equal-ly & Fair-ly , Reason Why I'm Asking I Feel Your Loyalty Lie With Some Of The Members Here , Because One Of The Moderator.Here Have Show Where His < Loyalty > Lie . This Is Not To Say I'm Going To Start Any Trouble Ok ... Because Until Miss Deste Put EveryOne In Check There Was Those Who Got Away With Murder . And Thats Because They Had The Moderator In There Back Pocket . Just Wondering ...
it is a legitimate question.
there are some people who i like better than others.
that is true.

however, there is one who i like above all others and that is truth.
even if i don't like you one bit, if what you state has the ring of truth i am bound to respect it.
i like samurai a lot but i just had to check something he said because i felt it was wrong. did you notice that?

i believe there is a wealth of knowledge here that i want to make available for all.
we have a lot of firepower.
let's not shoot ourselves in the foot, OK?

you see, these are fighting words.
you could have said: "this reason is not valid to me" or "let me show a better reason".

the main tactic of COINTELPRO is to get us to harm ourselves.

i will prevent this from happenning.
that is why i became a moderator.
i will actively see to it that NO evil befalls this space.
i'm not trying to ban anyone.
my mission is to maintain the flow of knowledge for the benefit of all.
There are no such thing as fighting words. If you say "I'm going to fight this man because I don't like his personality and the words he uses to express himself" that is more antagonistic than mere words. Words don't mean--PEOPLE mean.

As a moderator if you only go by the words people choose to express themselves you will constantly miss the true instigators and enemies of peace and continually censure those who fight for peace and knowledge. BTW fighting for peace is not an oxymoron considering the world in which we live. As I like to say still waters run deep. To allow ignorance and oppression to dwell in tranquility without being hassled by knowledge is not peace.

As a moderator if you only go by the words people choose to express themselves you will constantly miss the true instigators and enemies of peace and continually censure those who fight for peace and knowledge. .

tell me the truth.
do you honestly think that i do not know?

[QUOTE=jamesfrmphilly]it is a legitimate question.
there are some people who i like better than others.
that is true.

however, there is one who i like above all others and that is truth.
even if i don't like you one bit, if what you state has the ring of truth i am bound to respect it.
i like samurai a lot but i just had to check something he said because i felt it was wrong. did you notice that?

i believe there is a wealth of knowledge here that i want to make available for all.
we have a lot of firepower.
let's not shoot ourselves in the foot, OK?[/QUOTE



ThankYou < Just Wondering >

we can't keep banning everyone, we HAVE to get along together
should be so simple

we lost five members in June......... we can't keep banning everyone, we HAVE to get along together
should be so simple

Brother Elder, might I ask a Q?

tell me the truth.
do you honestly think that i do not know?

Being that this statement shows the implication that you were more or less aware of the goings-on, wouldn't it have been more prudent to ban 1 person instead of 5?

PEACE

Some Body Being Tested Here Hummmmmmmmmmm I Hope Your Man Of Your Word Hummmmmmmmmmmmm TricKnowledge Hummmmmmmm :?:

Being that this statement shows the implication that you were more or less aware of the goings-on, wouldn't it have been more prudent to ban 1 person instead of 5?

i wasn't on duty then.

i took this job in order to see that things go right in the future.

in basketball one player may elbow another but it is the player who retaliates who receives the foul.
it's according to what the referee sees when they look.
so the smart player does not retaliate.

ralfa'il may bait a hook.
it is your responsibility if you chomp down on it hard.
you folks are supposed to be smarter than that.

right?

i wasn't on duty then.

i took this job in order to see that things go right in the future.

in basketball one player may elbow another but it is the player who retaliates who receives the foul.
it's according to what the referee sees when they look.
so the smart player does not retaliate.

ralfa'il may bait a hook.
it is your responsibility if you chomp down on it hard.
you folks are supposed to be smarter than that.

right?
Well we won't be chomping down on any more hooks seeing that the man's own mouth brought about his fate without our assistance whatsoever.

One thing you must notice when Sam said that is the most ridiculous, ignorant...idea... He did not say the person is ridiculous, ignorant etc. I must give him mad props for making that distinction and not succombing to the temptation to castigate that man.

I think it would be more fruitful to say exactly why said idea is ridiculous and ignorant than to unleash a string of adjectives. The lips of wisdom are closed except to the ears of understanding.

That is not to say that we will allow lies and ignorance to run around unchallenged but there is a way to do it.

that is not to say that we will allow lies and ignorance to run around unchallenged but there is a way to do it.
that is what i am saying.
:slobber:

How about simply bringing forth your own ideas, opinions, and philosophies WITH OUT bashing others ??? Why is that so hard for some people here at Deste.com ??? Why can't the so-called intellectuals just agree to disagree and move on ??? And if you find someone so unforgiveably despicable, simply IGNORE them - ideally, thru your "user cp" controls.

Peace ~

I hate to brothers and sisters and bring a wealth of various types of knowledge get banned because they can't control themselves in a cyber venue. Though we may see pictures of each other and chat with each other on a daily basis we truly don't know each other. How can you be offended by someone who only knows what you share? Like I said sometimes we just like to argue. Before I go any farther I must say that before I was asked to be a moderator when I first got here I had an argument with an Individual (they know who they are) that call flat out called me a liar when I shared a intimate part of my relationship with God. I was infuriated. I then proceeded to let this person know what was on my mind. After I said what I said and thought about it I realized just how ridiculous my behavior was and I apologized to that person and the website. From that point on I made it my point to remain in control of myself despite what was said. Many of the arguments here are between Christians and Non-Christians. I decided that it would be better to show Non-Christians the love of Christ though my actions rather than words from a book that holds no validity with them. This means no arguing, lashing back, name calling or insulting remarks. Instead I would try to find common ground. We can agree that we first and foremost have the interest of black people in common, therefore that's where it will stay with me. We will disagree and I respect others right to have their opinion but they don't have to respect my opinion. Let me say that again," NO ONE HAS TO RESPECT MY OPINION". I get my own satisfaction. I know others my not feel this way. I know some may have personality clashes with others. Well here is the simple solution. If you can not do like myself and maintain your peace then I suggest that those who you have a problem with put them on your ignore list in the USER CP. By doing this you will not see their posts or threads. In effect you will have nothing to do with that individual. If you're just dying of curiosity to see what that individual has said after you've ignored them then you need to examine your obsession with that person. If you fear that the person is attacking your character while you are unaware then leave that up to the moderators. What happens is two people start arguing and both people end up being wrong. So it short brothers and sisters let's try to get along. If that is not possible then ignore each other for the greater peace of the community....


Peace.......

Jesus, loved by some hated by some, was about his Father's business- not his own. Therefore what he said and did was to his Father's glory- not his own. Unless it is our own, why should we be offended at what is said against our faith & belief? why fight? The battle is God's.

well said....

I hate to brothers and sisters and bring a wealth of various types of knowledge get banned because they can't control themselves in a cyber venue. Though we may see pictures of each other and chat with each other on a daily basis we truly don't know each other. How can you be offended by someone who only knows what you share? Like I said sometimes we just like to argue. Before I go any farther I must say that before I was asked to be a moderator when I first got here I had an argument with an Individual (they know who they are) that call flat out called me a liar when I shared a intimate part of my relationship with God. I was infuriated. I then proceeded to let this person know what was on my mind. After I said what I said and thought about it I realized just how ridiculous my behavior was and I apologized to that person and the website. From that point on I made it my point to remain in control of myself despite what was said. Many of the arguments here are between Christians and Non-Christians. I decided that it would be better to show Non-Christians the love of Christ though my actions rather than words from a book that holds no validity with them. This means no arguing, lashing back, name calling or insulting remarks. Instead I would try to find common ground. We can agree that we first and foremost have the interest of black people in common, therefore that's where it will stay with me. We will disagree and I respect others right to have their opinion but they don't have to respect my opinion. Let me say that again," NO ONE HAS TO RESPECT MY OPINION". I get my own satisfaction. I know others my not feel this way. I know some may have personality clashes with others. Well here is the simple solution. If you can not do like myself and maintain your peace then I suggest that those who you have a problem with put them on your ignore list in the USER CP. By doing this you will not see their posts or threads. In effect you will have nothing to do with that individual. If you're just dying of curiosity to see what that individual has said after you've ignored them then you need to examine your obsession with that person. If you fear that the person is attacking your character while you are unaware then leave that up to the moderators. What happens is two people start arguing and both people end up being wrong. So it short brothers and sisters let's try to get along. If that is not possible then ignore each other for the greater peace of the community....


Peace.......
Radical Brother I have noted and much admire your peace making communications. Often while I was sharpening my tongue for a predatory kill you jumped in first with a response to the person that made me resheathe my sword--gratefully.

If you can not do like myself and maintain your peace then I suggest that those who you have a problem with put them on your ignore list in the USER CP. By doing this you will not see their posts or threads. In effect you will have nothing to do with that individual. If you're just dying of curiosity to see what that individual has said after you've ignored them then you need to examine your obsession with that person. If you fear that the person is attacking your character while you are unaware then leave that up to the moderators. What happens is two people start arguing and both people end up being wrong. So it short brothers and sisters let's try to get along. If that is not possible then ignore each other for the greater peace of the community....


Peace.......

Firstly, let me state that several people have made the suggestion of using some "ignore" feature, as a means of maintaining "peace" here.

While that may solve one (aspect of a) problem, it does nothing for the other aspects.

Also, let me state that it is erroneous to make the claim that responses are necessarily about "personal attacks" in one direction or another.

Sections like this Spiritual section, are dedicated to the sharing of ideas about one's "beliefs", faiths, religions, spiritual systems, and/or any other applicable term.

I have taken notice to some not only outright false, but visciously slanderous statements being made, about various systems here.

*HINDUS worship RATS

*KEMETIANS worship SNAKES

*African spiritual traditionalists are magic-using pagans

And other such non-sense.

I have also taken notice, that at any given moment, there can be at least a dozen viewers of these threads, serving the "guest" status (meaning, they are not members).

Obviously these people view these threads for a reason, and if they are anything like me, they are seeking knowledge, and/or answers to questions that they might have about these subjects.

As a practicioner of any of the above mentioned systems, it is my responsibility to convey information about them as accurately as possible.

It is also my responsibility to dispel whatever myths have been conveyed, to the best of my ability as well.

If someone were to come on here, and make the claim that "JESUS CHRIST was a homosexual" (NOTE: this is NOT my view, just a hypothetical scenario), how would the Christians and others whom hold Jesus in any level of esteem respond to this?

Should they respond at all? As I'd stated previously, it's not that you respond, but HOW you respond, and what you respond WITH, that is far more important.

Misinformation is the enemy of our people--a people who, in these days and times are lagging far behind in the quest for intellectual ascension.

We are led to BELIEVE all sorts of ridiculous things, about topics that we are not even remotely knowledgeable about, simply because we lack the intellectual nutrition to fuel that function of discernment.

However, times are a'changing; no longer will those who make such absurd notions such as "KEMET was a wicked nation" get away with that, without being brought to intellectual task.

Now, I don't have to personally attack you, in order to have a discourse with you based on the premise of disagreement.

As the sister stated, in reference to my sentiment earlier, it was the IDEA that is under attack, and not the person who conveyed it. If SAMURAI makes a stupid statement, that is not the same thing as saying "SAMURAI is stupid".

We must learn to separate ourselves from our ideas and beliefs, as these things exsist independently from us, and us from them. And then, we must learn to convey them without any emotional attachment.

Once this is accomplished, then and ONLY then, will true peace be established.


Remember, INTELLIGENCE (http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/intelligence.html) is not what we know, but what we DO with what we Know.

PEACE

Some Body Being Tested Hummmmmmmmmmm
Some Body Being Tested Here Hummmmmmmmmmm I Hope Your Man Of Your Word Hummmmmmmmmmmmm TricKnowledge Hummmmmmmm ..



LQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQK Like Some One Trying To Flipppppppppppp You Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm All Eye's Are You . :picture:

if a person makes a silly statement you can simply correct that statement.
for example you can reply that you are very familiar with Kemetian theory and you know that Kemetians do not eat Hindus.
why is it necessary to respond that this is the most ignorant and stupid statement you have seen in the last five minutes?
that takes away from the clarity of your response.

Some Body Being Tested Hummmmmmmmmmm
Some Body Being Tested Here Hummmmmmmmmmm I Hope Your Man Of Your Word Hummmmmmmmmmmmm TricKnowledge Hummmmmmmm ..



LQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQK Like Some One Trying To Flipppppppppppp You Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm All Eye's Are You . :picture:
but why? why test me?
i'm not that important in the grand scheme of things.
besides that, i'm not going to fail.

so why bother?

if a person makes a silly statement you can simply correct that statement.
for example you can reply that you are very familiar with Kemetian theory and you know that Kemetians do not eat Hindus.
why is it necessary to respond that this is the most ignorant and stupid statement you have seen in the last five minutes?
that takes away from the clarity of your response.

I understand your distaste for the hyperbole, Brother Elder. I can even respect it, to the degree of honoring your wish.

I'm supposing then, that "Ignorant and Stupid" could perhaps be replaced with inaccurate and incorrect". Would such a replacement help to retain the clarity?

The only problem I have with this, is the one set of adjectives, may not necessarily fit as a substitute for the other.

For example, if I stated that it was 70 degrees outside today, when it was in fact 72 degrees, that is obviously inaccurate and incorrect, but nowhere near the realms of being a "stupid" statement.

However, what would you call it, other than totally absurd, if your local weatherman told you to go outside wearing Bermuda shorts, in the middle of a blizzard?

Just food for thought, I guess.

But that does not take away from the fact that the inaccuracy and incorrectness needs to be addressed, which is the only point that I'm striving to make here.

PEACE

But that does not take away from the fact that the inaccuracy and incorrectness needs to be addressed
i agree, but starting a fight may take away from the function of clarity.
you have people signing on in order to see who delivered the most telling blow to whom rather than seeking truth.

many of the incorrect statements come from people who have very minimal creditability anyhow.
it is like swatting a fly with a great sword.
while that may be a feat of skill it could have been done much easier with a rolled up newspaper. or maybe just the brush of ones hand.

or, god forbid, even ignored.

in any case, using the inaccurate and incorrect adjectives will promote more peace and understanding and lower my blood pressure.

This is just a general observation and not directed to ANYONE in particular :

As long as folks can be mature enough to state their personal beliefs and spiritual paths without attacking someone who holds another point of view there won't be any problems...If your goal is to teach...then by all means :teach: TEACH...If you have to insult folks who disagree with you, it makes you look like an idiot. I notice that the personal insults really start to fly when folks challenge each other to introduce documentation and such... Why is that :?: Give your readers sum credit for gosh sakes... If you present your ideals in a rational, orderly, and sensible fashion you just may get your message across, but if you continually rant and rave, folks will just think ur some sort of religious fanatic :insane: :gossip: and totally discount you and your beliefs w/o a second thought ! Likewise, if somebody is interested enough in the info that you are presenting to ask you some questions, stop getting so defensive... just answer the question if you can, and if you can't so be it...

This is a wonderful forum for all to share and learn about each other's beliefs. Let's not ruin it with pettiness and continued negativity !

God's peace ya'll ~
:grouphug:

i agree, but starting a fight may take away from the function of clarity.
you have people signing on in order to see who delivered the most telling blow to whom rather than seeking truth.

many of the incorrect statements come from people who have very minimal creditability anyhow.
it is like swatting a fly with a great sword.
while that may be a feat of skill it could have been done much easier with a rolled up newspaper. or maybe just the brush of ones hand.

or, god forbid, even ignored.

in any case, using the inaccurate and incorrect adjectives will promote more peace and understanding and lower my blood pressure.

In a perfect (re: intellectually astute) world, that would very much be true.

However, the problem with this, is the fact that there are people en masse that believe such absurdities.

Where do you think the people on here saying "Kemetians eat Hindus" (lol @ that, btw) got that from? Most people don't make this stuff up, but rather they get it from somewhere else.

As a practicioner of Kemetic Theology, I can't tell you how many times I've had people in real-life walk up to me, and say "I heard that the Kemetians do such-n-such absurd practice......." When I ask where they heard this from, they casually say "I dunno, I read it on the internet somewhere.

That means, years of study, practice, learning, etc, is down the drain, all because of one 10 minute log-in session on GOOGLE.

Had you taken notice in the past, that whenever ridiculous statements were made on here, and the person making them was called to task to show and prove, it was almost never from a book of any sort, but always from GOOGLE or some other website? These same people were asked time and again to provide a book, or some other form of written documentation, and they were absolutely silent everytime.

Do you wonder at all why that is?

Yes, you could indeed kill a fly with a swat of a rolled up newspaper.......But you can't kill a TICK that way. Your approach to killing it has to be far more meticulous.

And again, killing it is not about them, but those who are none the wiser, that are watching.

Nonetheless, we are in agreement that better words can be used.

PEACE

Firstly, let me state that several people have made the suggestion of using some "ignore" feature, as a means of maintaining "peace" here.

While that may solve one (aspect of a) problem, it does nothing for the other aspects.

Also, let me state that it is erroneous to make the claim that responses are necessarily about "personal attacks" in one direction or another.

Sections like this Spiritual section, are dedicated to the sharing of ideas about one's "beliefs", faiths, religions, spiritual systems, and/or any other applicable term.

I have taken notice to some not only outright false, but visciously slanderous statements being made, about various systems here.

*HINDUS worship RATS

*KEMETIANS worship SNAKES

*African spiritual traditionalists are magic-using pagans

And other such non-sense.

I have also taken notice, that at any given moment, there can be at least a dozen viewers of these threads, serving the "guest" status (meaning, they are not members).

Obviously these people view these threads for a reason, and if they are anything like me, they are seeking knowledge, and/or answers to questions that they might have about these subjects.

As a practicioner of any of the above mentioned systems, it is my responsibility to convey information about them as accurately as possible.

It is also my responsibility to dispel whatever myths have been conveyed, to the best of my ability as well.

If someone were to come on here, and make the claim that "JESUS CHRIST was a homosexual" (NOTE: this is NOT my view, just a hypothetical scenario), how would the Christians and others whom hold Jesus in any level of esteem respond to this?

Should they respond at all? As I'd stated previously, it's not that you respond, but HOW you respond, and what you respond WITH, that is far more important.

Misinformation is the enemy of our people--a people who, in these days and times are lagging far behind in the quest for intellectual ascension.

We are led to BELIEVE all sorts of ridiculous things, about topics that we are not even remotely knowledgeable about, simply because we lack the intellectual nutrition to fuel that function of discernment.

However, times are a'changing; no longer will those who make such absurd notions such as "KEMET was a wicked nation" get away with that, without being brought to intellectual task.

Now, I don't have to personally attack you, in order to have a discourse with you based on the premise of disagreement.

As the sister stated, in reference to my sentiment earlier, it was the IDEA that is under attack, and not the person who conveyed it. If SAMURAI makes a stupid statement, that is not the same thing as saying "SAMURAI is stupid".

We must learn to separate ourselves from our ideas and beliefs, as these things exsist independently from us, and us from them. And then, we must learn to convey them without any emotional attachment.

Once this is accomplished, then and ONLY then, will true peace be established.

PEACE


I agree brother people should not slander anothers system of belief by making outlandish, unfounded statements. We know this is not the case though. It is difficult for us to separate our walk with whom or what we choose to believe from our daily life. Those such as myself live by faith therefore the two are inseparable. This is why many of us take it personal when our faith comes into question, mocked or certain aspects are scutinized. Our thoughts and beliefs are a part of us. This is where spiritual maturity comes in. Also this is where mercy, wisdom, compassion, and patience among other images of God come in as well. For many of us emotion is a part of our faith. Emotions come from the God many of us serve. Again this is why it is difficult to take an objective view of our faith. Not to say that is not necessary. We should understand why we believe what we believe, where it came from and the authenticity of it's dotrine. I also agree that one should practice apologetics of their faith. Like you said it is not the response but how one responds. I believe a compassionate response is the way we need to respond to falsehoods and damaging propaganda. We must recognize that not everyone has the tact or the sensitivity required to engage in a civilized conversation. It is a well known fact that many of our brothers and sisters are falling in line with the propetuation of intentional lies. This is a plague on our people. We must learn to be patient with our brothers and sisters. The road of life is long and winding. Somewhere along way we will find the truth.


Peace Brother....

Brother James I support you man. What did Brother James did too yall?

I guess they fight because they aint got nothing else to do...

EveryOne Know The Problem Here But Wont Say It...


First I Would Like To Thank Miss Destee For Being Fair . Banning All Involved . I Re-Spect Her For That And Not Taking Sides . Second-ly EveryOne Here Knows What The Problem Is And That Is We Have Those Who Want To Dominate The Spiritual Forum , And They Feel By Kiss-Ing Up To A Few < Permium-Member / Moderator / Friends They Have The Right Do What They Feel Like And Get Away With It . But They Fail This Time .And This Is The Real Deal . And Third-ly .. It Have ( NoThing To Do With Knowledge ) Because Knowledge Is Free For Those Who Wish To Acquire It Meaning.


Matthew 7;7 And I Quote ; < Ask > and it shall be given you ; seek and ye < Shall - Find >
< Knock > and it shall be opened unto you ;
Luke 11;9 And I Quote ; And I say unto you , < Ask > and it shall be given You Seek , and ye shall find , Knock , and it shall be opened unto you .


John 14;13 , A = ASK ( Psalms 27;4 , Matthew 21;22 , Mark 6;22 , 1John 3;22 , 5;15 ) .
John 4;23 , S = SEEK ( Psalms 27;4 , 1Chr 28;9 , 2Chr 34;3 , Roman 3;20 ) .
Luke 13;25 K= KNOCK ( Revelation 3;20 )
Ask = Now
Seek = Now
Knock = Now .... So Again Knowledge Isn't The Problem Here One Can Acquire Knowledge On Their Own ... And Fourth Those Who Want To Dominate Feel They Only Have To Re-Spect < Permium-Member / Moderator / Friends > Of Theirs All Other Are Below Them . And Need Not Be Re-Spected . And They Will Run To Their < Permium-Member / Moderator / Friends >And Will Try And Get The Person Who Challenge Them Banned , Meaning If One Doesn't Belong To Their Inter Circle Of < Permium-Member / Moderator / Friends > Your Like A Fish Out Of Water.And They Will Go As Far As To Say If One Doesn't Like It They Can Leaven . < Laughing > This Just Goes To Show Their Bold-Ness . I'm Not Talking About All The < Permium-Member / Moderator's > Just A Few .

I'm Not Saying I'm Mr. Good Guy , Here Because I Will Talk Trash Just Like EveryOne Else Here KeyWord Here Talk - Trash . I Don't Go Around Deliberate-ly Insulting People Calling Nubians Names Like Negro / Dog / Black / Savage Etc . Etc , Etc . Nor Do I Act Like I'm The Only One With Knowledge Here Nor Do I Insult Those Who Doesn't Accept What I Post . I Always Say Don't Believe Me Re-Search It For YoueSelf . Hopeing They Will Re-Search For ThemSelf And Get Into The Habit Of Re-Search Things For ThemSelf . This Way They Wont Have To Depend On Others For Knowledge .


Some One Said Its All About Getting Atention . Not With Me Its Not , Because If Some One Post SomeThing Interesting / Knowledge-AbleAnd Dealing With Facts , People Will Read It It If Not They'll Go To The Next Post . Plain And Simple , Again If One Willing To Re-Search They Will See Who Have The Garbage And Who Have The Fact's . < NoBigThing >

Some One Said It Was Jealousy < I Say Of Who And Why Should I Be Jealous Of AnyOne Here ?? > Some Say Its About Back-Bitting Hummmm Again It Can Not Be Me That's ForSure < Laughing > Some Say MayBe I Have SomeThing Again Christian Or Muslims Wronggggggggg Only Shareing Knowledge Of What Is Being Taught To The Nubians Brother & Sister And What Not Being Taught To Them In Their House Of Worship . For I Have No Heaven Nor Hell To Sent Them To For Those Who Believe Such A Place Exist .
Bottom Line You Have Those Who Want To Dominate The Spiritual Forum .
JeamesFromPhilly ( Your Authority ) Being Question Here . Time Will Tell Who Get A FreePass

JeamesFromPhilly ( Your Authority ) Being Question Here . Time Will Tell Who Get A FreePass
gas, grass or @ss, no one rides for free. :bus:

if those who profess the most advanced knowledge of the ancient books and cultures, those who are spirituality more advanced than the rest of us are going around the site fighting like cats and dogs, what hope do the rest of us have?

what good is knowledge of our culture if the end result is just another gang war?

help me out.


Brother, I haven't read the responses of this thread but for me, I don't even bother to post or come to the religious section like I use to anymore. It appears that everyone is here to tear each other's beliefs systems down. Instead of finding what we do agree with regardless of our spiritual/religious systems, I get the impression that we are trying to convert each other to whatever doctrine or philosophy we as individuals follow. I don't have time for that. There's a saying in Islam... "You go your way, I go my way..Asalaamu Alakium".

Brother, I haven't read the responses of this thread but for me, I don't even bother to post or come to the religious section like I use to anymore. It appears that everyone is here to tear each other's beliefs systems down. Instead of finding what we do agree with regardless of our spiritual/religious systems, I get the impression that we are trying to convert each other to whatever doctrine or philosophy we as individuals follow. I don't have time for that. There's a saying in Islam... "You go your way, I go my way..Asalaamu Alakium".
if i wasn't a moderator i don't think i'd be here either, yo.
you did not answer my question, why is it that the more "highly evolved" are fighting?

if i wasn't a moderator i don't think i'd be here either, yo.
you did not answer my question, why is it that the more "highly evolved" are fighting?



Good question.....

We fight because we're men.


It's all about jealousy, respect, and pride.

Having wealth and knowledge won't keep you from trying to flex.

It just gives you better tools and weapons to work with.



To be honest I sometimes enjoy the challenge.

Many women don't like it or get upset because they don't understand it.


But most men can look at eachother and know what's up, how far to go, and when to stop.

The ones that couldn't usually ended up getting killed before they reached adulthood.

We fight over some of the most stupidest reasons. Fighting gets us no where as black people. Instead of fighting each other, we should be fighting our real enemies. It cracks me up how even in our so-called conscious state, we can't seem to get along. Wow...

Show me a world where the inhabitants regardless of the level of consciousness don't fight, and I'll show you a planet called MARS.

Even the GODS of various spiritual systems and philosophies "fought" each other.

The God of the Bible instigated more war than any other religion in history.

Combat is a useful tool, when practiced in moderation. The issue is not whether we fight, but what we are fighting for.

PEACE

We fight over some of the most stupidest reasons. Fighting gets us no where as black people. Instead of fighting each other, we should be fighting our real enemies. It cracks me up how even in our so-called conscious state, we can't seem to get along. Wow...
i found out that you have to be a premium member to access the ignore function.
if you are a premium member you can "ban" any individual who you do not want to hear.
premium members have more privileges.
hope to see some of you there soon.

Show me a world where the inhabitants regardless of the level of consciousness don't fight, and I'll show you a planet called MARS.
PEACE
actually, that would be Venus.

actually, that would be Venus.

Well I'll be durned......The Elder Brother knows his mythology. :book:

Even the GODS of various spiritual systems and philosophies "fought" each other.

The God of the Bible instigated more war than any other religion in history.

Combat is a useful tool, when practiced in moderation. The issue is not whether we fight, but what we are fighting for.

PEACE

WHAT! So true, especially if you study Hinduism...Some of the "Gods" act worse than the "Demons". In this religion, even the "Demons" have their place in the grand scheme (like the story of how they helped the "Gods" to Churn the Milk Ocean to bring forth the Elixir of Immortality (http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=churning+milk+ocean&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3Da 7c8de372547719b%26clickedItemRank%3D9%26userQuery% 3Dchurning%2Bmilk%2Bocean%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp% 253A%252F%252Fwww.kumbhamela.net%252Forigin-of-kumbha-mela.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPToolbarNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kumbhamela.net%2Forigi n-of-kumbha-mela.html) ).

Jedi Vs. Sith... Always duality in this mundane world. :argue:

Jedi Vs. Sith... Always duality in this mundane world. :argue:

Be careful with your STAR WARS allegories brother, you know what happened when I did that last time. :donttell:

PEACE

This is because in the racist polytheistic religion of Hinduism, most of the deities of the original black population were either supplanted or turned into demons by the new white Aryan invaders who made their own gods supreme.

We can't even trust most of these stories about Krishna and Kali because they come from corrupt and racist sources.

I even read a saga about Krishna helping Arya to kill his own people.

WHAT! So true, especially if you study Hinduism...Some of the "Gods" act worse than the "Demons". In this religion, even the "Demons" have their place in the grand scheme (like the story of how they helped the "Gods" to Churn the Milk Ocean to bring forth the Elixir of Immortality ).
This is because in the racist polytheistic religion of Hinduism, most of the deities of the original black population were either supplanted or turned into demons by the new white Aryan invaders who made their own gods supreme.

We can't even trust most of these stories about Krishna and Kali because they come from corrupt and racist sources.

I even read a saga about Krishna helping Arya to kill his own people.

LMAO @ this stupidity.

Elder Brother, do you plan to step in and handle this non-sense?

This is because in the racist polytheistic religion of Hinduism, most of the deities of the original black population were either supplanted or turned into demons by the new white Aryan invaders who made their own gods supreme.

We can't even trust most of these stories about Krishna and Kali because they come from corrupt and racist sources.

I even read a saga about Krishna helping Arya to kill his own people.

We can't even trust most of the stories about Krishna and Kali because they come from corrupt racist sources

If we use this logic, then it would not be unreasonable to apply this same rule of thumb to Islam and Christianity, after all both religions have had more than their fare share of racist during, and after their respective inceptions as religious institutions

James

If he had showed Destee the same respect he's showing you....maybe he and his wife who seems to follow him around everywhere wouldn't have been banned together.

INFO? JAMES? Anybody? :(

PEACE

For the record ... in regard to this fighting ... it probably won't be just one person leaving.

Yall remember back in the day when your Mother would get upset at all the noise being made in the next room, and she'd yell "If yall don't stop, everyone is gett'n a whoop'n!" Well ... this is not to suggest that i am your Mother and you are my child ... but this analogy fits how i feel about all this fighting going on.

I won't spend time trying to figure out who did and said what.

Everyone who looks "involved" will be banned.

Take it for whatever it is worth.

:heart:

Destee

For the record ... in regard to this fighting ... it probably won't be just one person leaving.

Yall remember back in the day when your Mother would get upset at all the noise being made in the next room, and she'd yell "If yall don't stop, everyone is gett'n a whoop'n!" Well ... this is not to suggest that i am your Mother and you are my child ... but this analogy fits how i feel about all this fighting going on.

I won't spend time trying to figure out who did and said what.

Everyone who looks "involved" will be banned.

Take it for whatever it is worth.

:heart:

Destee

How can you say everyone will be banned if not everyone is guilty of breaking the rules?

How can you say everyone will be banned if not everyone is guilty of breaking the rules?

This is old, ongoing, unwelcome drama. This fighting.

It didn't just start, and i can see the little jabs being taken, that come oh so close to breaking the rules, without quite going over the line. In fact, it's called "disruption" and is against our rules.

There are specific Members keeping this drama alive by doing the above, then wanting to point out where someone else went further than they did. I will not try to measure who did the most, all will be banned.

If you or others have not contributed to this drama in any way, you have nothing to be concerned about.

:heart:

Destee

How can you say everyone will be banned if not everyone is guilty of breaking the rules?

That's what I'd like to know...... :(

This is old, ongoing, unwelcome drama. This fighting.

It didn't just start, and i can see the little jabs being taken, that come oh so close to breaking the rules, without quite going over the line. In fact, it's called "disruption" and is against our rules.

There are specific Members keeping this drama alive by doing the above, then wanting to point out where someone else went further than they did. I will not try to measure who did the most, all will be banned.

If you or others have not contributed to this drama in any way, you have nothing to be concerned about.

:heart:

Destee

Your point is well taken, but there was a personal jab/inference to a female member, that had nothing to do with this debate, and that was un-called for and a low blow.

This is specifically why james became a moderator.

That's what I'd like to know...... :(


I Self Lord Am Master,

just let it out the window Gods (Sam & Sek) - you both have too much knolwedge that needs to be shared with us all for any of US too waste our True-Eye-Master-Equality............

it is a negative forces sole purpose to destroy positivity..........please don't let that happen to you...........

jus' keep buildin' with the 5's & let the 85'consume ITSELF.......

The All Eye Ceeing

Destee

I hope they all heard what you said, so hopefully we can get this silliness behind us and move on!

I Self Lord Am Master,

just let it out the window Gods (Sam & Sek) - you both have too much knolwedge that needs to be shared with us all for any of US too waste our True-Eye-Master-Equality............

it is a negative forces sole purpose to destroy positivity..........please don't let that happen to you...........

jus' keep buildin' with the 5's & let the 85'consume ITSELF.......

The All Eye Ceeing


T.R.U.E

Some people just need to be ignored sometime.

Agreed brotha

Your point is well taken, but there was a personal jab/inference to a female member, that had nothing to do with this debate, and that was un-called for and a low blow.

This is specifically why james became a moderator.

PEACE brother Sek,

thank you for the heads up on the disturbance & we will look n2 it.....

peace..............

Some Members have already established themselves as key players in this raggedy-ness. With that being the case, what they say is tainted to begin with. They are the wrong ones to be complaining about the heat, now that they've built and fueled the fire.

If those same Members want to be taken seriously when talking about stopping the fighting ... then they must stay completely out of it. Otherwise, due to their already established involvement, what they say is suspect at best.

I know it may be hard to do, but ignoring the comments ... the little jabs ... making none of your own, is really the best way to go.

The entire Moderating Team (and Family for that matter), is aware of and monitoring this. Just sit back and relax, stay out of it, make no comments ... yae or nae ... and you will not have anything to worry about.

If you get in it, you'll be in it.

It's a choice.

:heart:

Destee

Destee

I hope they all heard what you said, so hopefully we can get this silliness behind us and move on!

Brother Ralfa'il ... i read your little jab above ... your next ban will be permanent.

:heart:

Destee

PEACE brother Sek,

thank you for the heads up on the disturbance & we will look n2 it.....

peace..............

Thanks Info

i was busy.
in the future PM me if you need me.
i am a little annoyed that i step away for a minute and sh*t hits the fan.

read what Destee has said and and take it seriously.

are you people all broke?
take out premium membership and block out the other.
if you actually feel duty bound to fight each other, this would not be the site.

i was busy.
in the future PM me if you need me.


We can't PM you, because we're not premium members.

i was busy.
in the future PM me if you need me.
i am a little annoyed that i step away for a minute and sh*t hits the fan.

read what Destee has said and and take it seriously.

are you people all broke?
take out premium membership and block out the other.
if you actually feel duty bound to fight each other, this would not be the site.


Relax James, get your blood pressure down :explode: it's been taken care of :)

Destee

Brother Ralfa'il ... i read your little jab above ... your next ban will be permanent.
What jab was this??????

Destee


What jab was this??????

James

If he had showed Destee the same respect he's showing you....maybe he and his wife who seems to follow him around everywhere wouldn't have been banned together.

He and his wife? Don't play games with me Ralfa'il.

One more of these and you'll be banned permanently.

:heart:

Destee

Destee

Yes, but when I said his "wife", I wasn't talking about any female poster here.

I was talking about the guy who constantly follows him around instigating these arguments with not only me but other posters like Oceolo and Issa.

He argues with everybody, but me and Issa are the only ones who bother to fight back.


I agree it's still an insult but I just wanted to make it clear of whom I was refering to.

We can't PM you, because we're not premium members.
you know something, i have never NOT been a premium member so i don't know what it's like.
are you broke?
do i need to sponsor you?
why don't all of you get premium membership?

you know something, i have never NOT been a premium member so i don't know what it's like.
are you broke?
do i need to sponsor you?
why don't all of you get premium membership?


I've been a premium member, and on more than one occasion. I'll consider it again in the near future.

Destee

Yes, but when I said his "wife", I wasn't talking about any female poster here.

I was talking about the guy who constantly follows him around instigating these arguments with not only me but other posters like Oceolo and Issa.

He argues with everybody, but me and Issa are the only ones who bother to fight back.


I agree it's still an insult but I just wanted to make it clear of whom I was refering to.

Brother Ralfa'il ... i and everyone knew exactly what / who you meant.

If fighting is so important, please continue, as you should be able to get in 1 or 2 more jabs before being banned.

:heart:

Destee

James

If he had showed Destee the same respect he's showing you....maybe he and his wife who seems to follow him around everywhere wouldn't have been banned together.


Ralf,

This is a warning to let you know that you have broken Rule # 1. RESPECT IS NUMBER ONE IN OUR HOUSE - Respect for yourself, each Member of this Family, their opinions, and the peace we've been blessed with. No personal attacks will be tolerated. If in our opinion, you are being disrespectful, it will be dealt with accordingly, up to and including being banned.

- You viiolated this rule with the following statement: "maybe he and his wife who seems to follow him around everywhere wouldn't have been banned together"
- it is no mystery that that term "WIFE" as you put it is a direct and blatant attack on brother Sekhemu & a jab at brother Samurai as well.

Please refrain from this type of disrespect & continue in a peaceful accord worthy of this site and all persons viewing. Surely, you can find a way to build without the name calling even when it seems no one is agreeing with you. Everyone here is about trying to build and elevate our people not destroy....

It will no longer be tolerated from anyone!!!!

please feel free to continue in a positive manner & spread love on this site that has so graciously allowed you a vehicle to spread your knowledge and gain some in return..........

I thank you, as I know you will do your best to see that the rules of this site are followed!!

Info

It will no longer be tolerated from anyone!!!!
But you continue to tolerate it from Sam who has not only insulted and argued with me, but Oceolo, Issa, Isaiah, Radical Faith, and others on this site.

If you are fair with regard to me, then give us some examples of a time when you also reprimended Samurai.

Info


But you continue to tolerate it from Sam who has not only insulted and argued with me, but Oceolo, Issa, Isaiah, Radical Faith, and others on this site.

If you are fair with regard to me, then give us some examples of a time when you also reprimended Samurai.

Brother Ralfa'il ... if you can show us where Brother SAMURAI has made these little jabs ... insults ... toward anyone since his return from being banned ... give me the links.

:heart:

Destee

Destee

Brother Ralfa'il ... if you can show us where Brother SAMURAI has made these little jabs ... insults ... toward anyone since his return from being banned ... give me the links


Stay tuned dear sista....while I build my case!!!!

:book:

Just for an appetizer check out these few:


Look at Samurai's unprovoked attacks on Oceolo>

"LMAO.........How did you get such an absurd notion from a QUESTION that was posed to you???"

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35630&page=3&pp=10



Why.....in this very thread I said nothing to him but merely stated my belief about Hiduism, and look what he says>>>>>>

"LMAO @ this stupidity.

Elder Brother, do you plan to step in and handle this non-sense?"

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35153&page=8&pp=10



He even took a swipe at you!


Yes he did!!!!

Check out what he told brutha AUM because you checked him on his statement to Sekhemu regading my offer of peace>>>>>


"Be careful with your STAR WARS allegories brother, you know what happened when I did that last time"

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35153&page=7&pp=10


That's just an appetizer....I still have yet to really holla back.


Now I don't want the brutha banned nor am I trying to get him introuble...I actually find him quite entertaining.
But you ask me for the links so I gotta drop 'em. :juggle:

This is a testament of an old saying...LET THE DEAD BURY THE DEAD. Sadly I am also guilty of ignoring this little proverb. The question becomes why? My answer is this: I too was once dead and I remember the very day and circumstance and person who pointed out one small thing to me that opened up the flood lights beyond even their vision.

The greatest tradgety for me or anyone is to go to their graves without having passed on what we learn or know to be true. This goes beyond ego, jealousy or any human emotion. It is what it is with the understanding that the light imparted in the right minds or hands may be all that's needed to start a fire that the whole world is in fear of....THE RESURECCTION OF AFRICAN OR BLACK PEOPLE !!

Look what he says to brutha Radical Faith in the Health forum!

"RADICAL, you are a bit of an enigma, mixed with an oxy-moron to me. "

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35513&page=1



...and it don't stop.

Info


But you continue to tolerate it from Sam who has not only insulted and argued with me, but Oceolo, Issa, Isaiah, Radical Faith, and others on this site.

If you are fair with regard to me, then give us some examples of a time when you also reprimended Samurai.

Either you agree to follow the rules, or you don't Ralf. You're a grown man, so saying "he did it too" is not sufficient.

I have not seen where brother Samurai or Sek have instigated any arguments nor called anyone any names since there return. I have though seen where they ignored some of your comments (jabs) that b4 they were banned would have sparked a heated argument. Thus, the reason for this discussion. You could not take them ignoring you & you felt the need to throw a shot to the head to get some type of response out of them & your tactics still did not work.

If these other brothers have a problem all they have to do is present it to a moderator & one of us will look into it to get it resolved. Otherwise, they are also grown men & can speak for themselves. I don't think they need you using them for a life line here!! It is disrespectful for you to even think that they need you to speak for them...........

Yes OR No as you will not get any further discussion from me as you have already been warned!!!

Destee


Look how he harassed this poor young lady in the Stolen Culture Forum:

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35528&page=1


She was actually looking for you but "you know who" smelled fresh meat and got there before you did!

:crying: ...haven't seen the poor girl since.

Look what he says to brutha Radical Faith in the Health forum!

"RADICAL, you are a bit of an enigma, mixed with an oxy-moron to me. "

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35513&page=1



...and it don't stop.


It appears to me that this was meant in a positive fashion as what brother Radical had to say caused Samurai some pause...........which is why Rad did not respond, most likely waiting to see what knowledge Samurai returned with....

why are you concerned with the dealings of others?....show us what names either Sek or Sam has called you since your return. This is all you should be concerned with, but you know there are none so you are trying to pull others in to use as your defense.......It is more than obvious that you are not willing to stop this type of behavior!!!!!!!!

Destee

He also baggered James and questioned his moderating abilities in this very thread in which we speak.

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35153&page=3&pp=10




Info

With all due respect, we can't really trust your judgement because you're obviously biased toward those who share your belief system.

You are simply against religious people....especially other men.



But for the sake of the debate...

Destee said:

"Brother Ralfa'il ... if you can show us where Brother SAMURAI has made these little jabs ... insults ... toward anyone since his return from being banned ... give me the links"


And that's what I'm doing.

Again, I don't want to see ANYONE banned because I actually enjoy his presence and find it quite entertaining.

But I think I'm gonna stop right here because as I move up the forum and read more of his statements the more pitiful he's starting to look.

But you must be fair and even handed with your criticizm and punishment and not just call out those you personally don't like.

Info

With all due respect, we can't really trust your judgement because you're obviously biased toward those who share your belief system.

You are simply against religoious people....especially other men.



But for the sake of the debate...

Destee said:

"Brother Ralfa'il ... if you can show us where Brother SAMURAI has made these little jabs ... insults ... toward anyone since his return from being banned ... give me the links"


And that's what I'm doing.

Again, I don't want to see ANYONE banned because I actually enjoy his presence and find it quite entertaining.

But I think I'm gonna stop right here because as I move up the forum and read more of his statements the more pitiful he's starting to look.

Correct Ralf, & thus far you have not done that with these threads you have posted. Trust me or not, I have no belief system!!

You are simply against religoious people....especially other men. - & thank you for posting ANOTHER example of how you make false accusations about members here that get these arguments going to the point of name calling when you can not find anyone to agree with you!!

- even this very statement by you is meant to get others I may have had disagreable religious discussions with to jump in here and take your side. You fool no one Ralf with your tactics, I've seen them all b4.....................

I asked you to stop the name calling as you had broken a rule here & instead of agreeing, here we are 10 posts later with you trying to drag others into it who had nothing to do with the reason why you were warned...........which is doing nothing but causing more disruption!!

Info

I'm not gonna argue with you.

No sir...I'm not falling for the bait.


Nor am I "dragging" anyone else into this; I'm just showing that this dude has a problem relating to and getting along with EVERYBODY.

Including the staff.

Brother Ralfa'il ... thank you for sharing the links. I had seen them already, and i do agree that the one about Star Wars was a jab at me. Actually, there is more than that one directed at me. I ignored them all, which is what i hope everyone will do.

Just because i ignore them, does not mean they are ungoing unnoticed.

I have a limit regarding how much i'm going to take. When i get there, it's over.

You have shown that you are not the only one that is taking jabs at folk. I already knew that, but it has absolutely nothing to do with your behavior. His doing it will not be an acceptable defense for you doing it, and likewise, yours is not an acceptable defense to his.

You each (all) need to stop, or you will be banned.

From this point on ... anything that i consider a jab ... coming from any of the key players in this drama ... will be immediately and permanently banned.

How about that?

:heart:

Destee

Destee

He also baggered James and questioned his moderating abilities in this very thread in which we speak.

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35153&page=3&pp=10




Info

With all due respect, we can't really trust your judgement because you're obviously biased toward those who share your belief system.

You are simply against religious people....especially other men.



But for the sake of the debate...

Destee said:

"Brother Ralfa'il ... if you can show us where Brother SAMURAI has made these little jabs ... insults ... toward anyone since his return from being banned ... give me the links"


And that's what I'm doing.

Again, I don't want to see ANYONE banned because I actually enjoy his presence and find it quite entertaining.

But I think I'm gonna stop right here because as I move up the forum and read more of his statements the more pitiful he's starting to look.

But you must be fair and even handed with your criticizm and punishment and not just call out those you personally don't like.

Brotha Ralfa'il...I am not a moderator...but PLEASE smh...

Put this behind you so that we dont have to miss out on the good you DO have to offer our community..please brotha smh please...

Destee


Brother Ralfa'il ... thank you for sharing the links. I had seen them already, and i do agree that the one about Star Wars was a jab at me. Actually, there is more than that one directed at me. I ignored them all, which is what i hope everyone will do.

Just because i ignore them, does not mean they are ungoing unnoticed.

I have a limit regarding how much i'm going to take. When i get there, it's over.

You have shown that you are not the only one that is taking jabs at folk. I already knew that, but it has absolutely nothing to do with your behavior. His doing it will not be an acceptable defense for you doing it, and likewise, yours is not an acceptable defense to his.

You each (all) need to stop, or you will be banned.

From this point on ... anything that i consider a jab ... coming from any of the key players in this drama ... will be immediately and permanently banned.

How about that?
I shall now stand up tall and straight and humbly take a bow at your wisdom and fairness in the matter.

I'm certainly glad this is YOUR site instead of some of the other people I'm running into on here.






Triniti

Brotha Ralfa'il...I am not a moderator...but PLEASE smh...

Put this behind you so that we dont have to miss out on the good you DO have to offer our community..please brotha smh please...
What.....

Now that I've got the attention of 2 of the finest women on this forum you want me to fall back?

Surely you jest young lady!

:picture: (post another picture of yourself in the family album and I may consider....)



Uhhh.....
Excuse me for asking such a silly question but I've been dying to ask someone every since I've been here.

What does "smh" mean?

Destee



I shall now stand up tall and straight and humbly take a bow at your wisdom and fairness in the matter.

I'm certainly glad this is YOUR site instead of some of the other people I'm running into on here.



Triniti


What.....

Now that I've got the attention of 2 of the finest women on this forum you want me to fall back?

Surely you jest young lady!

:picture: (post another picture of yourself in the family album and I may consider....)



Uhhh.....
Excuse me for asking such a silly question but I've been dying to ask someone every since I've been here.

What does "smh" mean?

lol SMH = Shaking my head and I have been doing a lot of that reading your recent t!t for tat posts brotha smh (see lol)

I am understanding that BLAK MAN has to do what he feels he "has" to do but brotha MUST you continue this??

I am already planning on posting a few more recent pics brotha so you cant use that as part of your barter lol

Just please brotha Ralfa'il your time is better spent elsewhere...please *sigh*

hopefully you wont have to waste any more energy "defending" this sort of behavior anymore

Salaam,


Ralf, as your Muslim brother, you know I want for you what I would want for myself.. I don't want you to be banned again (for good) brotherman. Some things are truly not even worth it. It's best to just avoid the people you are always arguing with and focus on building with those whom you get along with really well. It's really simple....


Salaam....

It appears to me that this was meant in a positive fashion as what brother Radical had to say caused Samurai some pause...........which is why Rad did not respond, most likely waiting to see what knowledge Samurai returned with....

Precisely. RADICAL apparently RADICAL understood that as well; As a brother who adheres to an orthodox method of thinking, he astounded me with a method of reasoning that I consider "esoteric".

why are you concerned with the dealings of others?....show us what names either Sek or Sam has called you since your return. This is all you should be concerned with, but you know there are none so you are trying to pull others in to use as your defense.......It is more than obvious that you are not willing to stop this type of behavior!!!!!!!!

These trumped up charges leveled against me are ridiculous.

Correct as well. Why on earth would I have a problem with Elder James? He and I may not always agree, but I see him as a mentor of sorts. We even talk outside of the confines of this site.

LMAO @ "questioning him".

Everyone has had an issue with ISSA and OCCELO, so they really don't count here.

As far as the woman CHANDRA in the ADAM/EVE thread, LMAO @ "she hasn't been back since"........She was just here on MONDAY!!! And even still, she continued to respond to that thread, even when I ceased to do so. We simply disagreed, and that was it--I had not returned to that thread since then.

Regarding the Star Wars statements, I find it rather unfortunate that people do not have a sense of humor about things. I remember looking back in the days when I had conflicts with people, and I can even sit with the person that I had a conflict with, and we can both laugh about it.

Everyone here knows that I'm a Star Wars fan. IT'S REALLY NOT THAT SERIOUS.

Just like most people here respect me on my merits. And I give them respect in kind. RADICAL and I may never see eye to eye spiritually, but he has my respect regarding various other subjects, and I think I have his. So obviously it's not about belief.

Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean that I'm "baggering" (LOL, such a ridiculous notion) you.

If we were to take a poll here, I think I was far more missed during my absense here, than this brother was.

Where was the "WELCOME BACK BROTHER RALF" thread? :?: Did you get tons of e-mails, where people expressed their concern?

It's unfortunate that people choose not to see who contributes the most here.

Suffice it to say though, that the person that is RALFA'IL is not that important to me--no where near as much as I appear to be for him. I said what I had to say; I asked for a moderator to intervene, and then I was done with it. And yet, here we have 2+ pages of him ranting on about me. Isn't that neighboring "obsession"? :nuts:

I have had numerous discussions in the past few days, that have had nothing whatsoever to do with him. Aside from the recent statements here in the Spiritual section, I have no idea what he was up to on the site, nor did I care.


Anyways, I'm not going to try to explain my position any further here; I did that last time, and I was banned for it.

It's clear to me, that regardless of what I do or say, that DESTEE's Will will be done, regardless of whether I (or anyone else) agree with it or not.

PEACE

Everyone here knows that I'm a Star Wars fan. IT'S REALLY NOT THAT SERIOUS.

It's clear to me, that regardless of what I do or say, that DESTEE's Will will be done, regardless of whether I (or anyone else) agree with it or not.

Brother SAMURAI ... you never count your disruptive behavior or insulting remarks as serious ... but you want everyone else's to be dealt with seriously, screaming for justice at the first sign of anything you consider offensive.

If what you said above were true, that DESTEE's Will would be done, no matter what ... you'd not still be here. Believe that.

Fortunately for my will though, you will continue to be abrasive and difficult, and it will be a Team decision that you be banned ... not just mine. So please, continue on the same path you've been since joining us ... and ultimately, thanks to YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR my will will be done.

:heart:

Destee

Brother SAMURAI ... you never count your disruptive behavior or insulting remarks as serious ...

Totally untrue.

I said that my STAR WARS statements were not that serious. Other than that, each and every time I was involved in a dispute, I admitted and confessed to the part that I played in it.

Selective memory.

but you want everyone else's to be dealt with seriously, screaming for justice at the first sign of anything you consider offensive.

This would only be the case, if I was the only one screaming. Am I the only one?

what you said above were true, that DESTEE's Will would be done, no matter what ... you'd not still be here. Believe that.

Fortunately for my will though, you will continue to be abrasive and difficult, and it will be a Team decision that you be banned ... not just mine. So please, continue on the same path you've been since joining us ... and ultimately, thanks to YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR my will will be done.

:heart:

Destee

I can't begin to speak to this. All I will speak to, is any false allegations leveled against me.

PEACE

Totally untrue.

I said that my STAR WARS statements were not that serious. Other than that, each and every time I was involved in a dispute, I admitted and confessed to the part that I played in it.

Selective memory.



This would only be the case, if I was the only one screaming. Am I the only one?



I can't begin to speak to this. All I will speak to, is any false allegations leveled against me.

PEACE

Brother SAMURAI ... if you consider your insulting remarks and disruptive behavior as serious ... how in the world can you point out someone else's like behavior?!!! Would it not seem appropriate to first correct your own behavior, before requesting another to do the same? That is, if you take it seriously?

For the record, i considered the star wars comment insulting and disruptive, even though i did not respond in like manner.

You should be the last one screaming ... considering all the drama you've brought here. If others are screaming, let them, for you are the wrong one to be doing so, considering all things.

:heart:

Destee

DESTEE, out of curiosity, do you honestly feel, in your heart of hearts, that I contribute more negativity than positive to your site?

DESTEE, out of curiosity, do you honestly feel, in your heart of hearts, that I contribute more negativity than positive to your site?

Brother SAMURAI ... i believe that you can be a great asset to this site. You share much information and many enjoy your being here. But the relatively small amount of negativity that you bring, overwhelms the good.

It is my hope that you'll stop with the abrasive, negative stuff, so that the wealth of knowledge and information you share can be embraced in the Spirit that i'm sure you're sharing it in.

I don't want to see you gone, but i've grown weary at having to babysit your every word ... never knowing when the ugliness is going to rear its head. I'd like to be able to know, like i do with most all Members here, that there will be no intentional ugliness, for this is not the place for that.

:heart:

Destee

Brother SAMURAI ... i believe that you can be a great asset to this site. You share much information and many enjoy your being here.

so that the wealth of knowledge and information you share can be embraced in the Spirit that i'm sure you're sharing it in.

I don't want to see you gone,

:heart:

Destee

OK, these parts are what I was asking about.

My reasons for asking, is because you never seem to speak of me in any positive esteem, and you never seem to have any interest interacting with me.

The only time you seem to speak to or of me, it's with a negative perspective, as though I'm the plague or blight of your site, the embarrassing step child.

But I guess it's good to know that I represent some form of goodness in your mind's eye.

PEACE

OK, these parts are what I was asking about.

My reasons for asking, is because you never seem to speak of me in any positive esteem, and you never seem to have any interest interacting with me.

The only time you seem to speak to or of me, it's with a negative perspective, as though I'm the plague or blight of your site, the embarrassing step child.

But I guess it's good to know that I represent some form of goodness in your mind's eye.

PEACE

Brother SAMURAI ... i believe that may be because of, what i consider to be, your very abrasive way ... not to mention that you came into this community with me having to warn you about causing disruptions, and you seemed to be involved in all the ugliness that has taken place since you got here.

I say what i consider to be your abrasive way, because obviously, not everyone feels the way i do. So i try to stay out of the way, to be sure that what happens isn't directly related to how i feel about the way you interact here. My attempt at being objective, if you will.

How about this Brother SAMURAI ... let's start all over. A clean slate.

Welcome to the Community !!! :wink:

:heart:

Destee

Destee

Can I gets a clean slate too?

Remember.....

I didn't have problems with others either until I got into it with him, and some just started taking his side over religious issues.

Destee

Can I gets a clean slate too?

Remember.....

I didn't have problems with others either until I got into it with him, and some just started taking his side over religious issues.

Yes Brother Ralfa'il ... you may have a clean slate too!

Welcome to the Community !!! :wink:

:heart:

Deste

Destee

:wink: Can I get a hug too?

Destee

:wink: Can I get a hug too?

lol Brother Ralfa'il ... sure ... :love:

and here's one for Brother SAMURAI too ... :love:

I really do appreciate the positive energy, and knowledge that you both bring here.

Let's turn the tide Family ... showing the world how much love we have for ourselves and each other ... willing to go the extra mile to seek peace.

I Love You Both !!! :love:

:heart:

Destee

Destee


lol Brother Ralfa'il ... sure ...
Thaaaaank you Deesteeeeee...... :flowers:





and here's one for Brother SAMURAI too ...
:mad: Now wait a minute!

He didn't ask for one, why you wanna give him one?

This is the sweetest thing I ever seen
:grouphug:
A true kodak moment

There's room enough for everyone to get in the mix--for hugs I mean:wink:

And I trust that both these two fine African kings will be more than able to maintain the peace forged this fourteenth day of July in the year two thousand and five. So let it be written--So let it be done.(drum roll and trumpets sound as they sign their truce. Now watch them march into the sunset arm in arm amid cheers and showers of confetti)

Since everyone is getting a hug
I want onw too destee
From Bama to the Chi
Give me Give me

Since everyone is getting a hug
I want onw too destee
From Bama to the Chi
Give me Give me

Brother Tantrum ... :love: ... :grouphug:

:heart:

Destee

OMG Im Blushing Wow