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karmashines

06-14-2005, 02:47 AM

why is the black community so accepting of pedophilia?
apparently, if you can sing a song you can do no wrong.

Well, I don't think the black community is accepting of pedophilia.

However, I do find it disturbing when people look the other way because someone is famous and has money. And the black community really shouldn't have any attachment to him because he's done everything in his power to detach himself from his blackness.

james-AIN'T NOTHING ON MICHAEL!!! NO AUDIOTAPE,VIDEOTAPE AND NO DNA!!!!@ R.KELLY IS A DIFFERENT MATTER. THERE IS A VIDEOTAPE!!!! AND like Michael, I want R to defend himself in a court of law...BEFORE WE LYNCH HIM!!! The Amerikkka TH (media talking heads) on the evening news-well a good number-actually especially FAUX news wants to lynch Michael-for real!!!!

I don't consider the R. Kelley incident pedophila because a 15-year-old is not a child. It is stupid and immature for a grown man to be sleeping with teenagers, but biologically speaking a teen is far from a child.

karmashines

06-14-2005, 02:53 AM

Brother James ... why do you continue to refer to him as a pedophile ?

He's been found innocent of those charges.

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Destee

Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he's innocent. It just means that his lawyers, fame, and money were able to bamboozle the jury.

If MJ was a normal man admitting to taking boys in his bed, toting boys around instead of a girlfriend, and possessing books of naked boys society would not be so forgiving.

Regardless, I hope he learns his lesson this time. Stop sleeping with boys and start acting like a 46-year-old man.

Froggy1

06-14-2005, 03:07 AM

CASH RULES EVERYTHING AROUND ME

Destee

06-14-2005, 03:11 AM

Well, I don't think the black community is accepting of pedophilia.

However, I do find it disturbing when people look the other way because someone is famous and has money. And the black community really shouldn't have any attachment to him because he's done everything in his power to detach himself from his blackness.

I don't consider the R. Kelley incident pedophila because a 15-year-old is not a child. It is stupid and immature for a grown man to be sleeping with teenagers, but biologically speaking a teen is far from a child.

The Black community is not accepting of pedophilia, i agree Sister.

I believe that the Black community knows, we must work even harder, to achieve the same results as Whites. So when it comes to pedophilia, we must be MORE innocent ... to receive that end. If this were not true, prisons would not be overwhelming filled with "just us".

We should strive to have some attachment to all Black people in this world. We are one and the same, and it's only us that denies this. White folk surely recognize it, as all of us are on the bottom of where ever in the world we are ... save those few exceptions allowed for the sake of confusion ... and they are on top.

I believe, once we understand the overwhelming completeness of their plan, for us to throw each other away, we will stop doing it ... at least i hope.

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Destee

Destee

06-14-2005, 03:16 AM

I don't consider the R. Kelley incident pedophila because a 15-year-old is not a child. It is stupid and immature for a grown man to be sleeping with teenagers, but biologically speaking a teen is far from a child.

Sister KarmaShines ... i failed to speak to what actually prompted me to respond in the first place! :)

Sister Sister Sister ... how did you determine that a 15 year old is not a child?

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Destee

Destee

06-14-2005, 03:34 AM

Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he's innocent. It just means that his lawyers, fame, and money were able to bamboozle the jury.

If MJ was a normal man admitting to taking boys in his bed, toting boys around instead of a girlfriend, and possessing books of naked boys society would not be so forgiving.

Regardless, I hope he learns his lesson this time. Stop sleeping with boys and start acting like a 46-year-old man.

Sister KarmaShines ... what gauge are you using to determine his innocence or guilt?

If that gauge is the American Judicial System, why are you insisting that our Brother is guilty?

If it is your own personal insight, what are you basing it on? Was there some sperm tested, or evidence of penetration presented ... i mean something Sister ... other than all these "stories" that have been thrust upon us in an effort to bring yet another Black man down. Do you have some first hand, eye witness information that we should be privy to?

What gauge are you so confident in standing by, that you'd not give this Brother his just due?

I'm grateful for the jurors that sat on the trial. God is Good.

Black folk can't win for losing.

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Destee

karmashines

06-14-2005, 03:36 AM

Sister KarmaShines ... i failed to speak to what actually prompted me to respond in the first place! :)

Sister Sister Sister ... how did you determine that a 15 year old is not a child?

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Destee

Legally they are a child, but biologically they aren't. A 15-year-old girl has a woman's body along with full reproductive capacity.

In some cultures girls get married at that age.

Destee

06-14-2005, 03:44 AM

Legally they are a child, but biologically they aren't. A 15-year-old girl has a woman's body along with full reproductive capacity.

In some cultures girls get married at that age.

In this culture, the culture that has the alledged video of R. Kelly having sex, peeing on, or doing whatever he was doing ... i have never seen it ... in this culture ... 15 is a child.

I suppose if he were in some other culture, doing what they say he was doing to a 15 year old ... it would be alrite.

I also have doubts regarding these accusations of R. Kelly. Like i said, i've never seen the video ... but i know this American Judicial System well enough to know ... that if they can bring a Black man down, they will. The fact that they have not, makes me believe they have even less of a case on him, than they had on Michael.

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Destee

karmashines

06-14-2005, 03:45 AM

Sister KarmaShines ... what gauge are you using to determine his innocence or guilt?

If that gauge is the American Judicial System, why are you insisting that our Brother is guilty?

If it is your own personal insight, what are you basing it on? Was there some sperm tested, or evidence of penetration presented ... i mean something Sister ... other than all these "stories" that have been thrust upon us in an effort to bring yet another Black man down. Do you have some first hand, eye witness information that we should be privy to?

What gauge are you so confident in standing by, that you'd not give this Brother his just due?

I'm grateful for the jurors that sat on the trial. God is Good.

Black folk can't win for losing.

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Destee

I don't feel comfortable with a grown man sleeping with boys. That's something he admitted too. I don't feel comfortable with a grown man who totes boys around like MJ did with Emauel Lewis along with a host of his other boy friends. I don't feel comfortable with someone like that owning books showcasing pictures of naked boys, which was found during the investigation.

I also find it interesting how he never befriended little girls to the level that he has befriended boys.

Legally I don't think there is enough evidence to point to his guilt in this case. But in my own personal opinion, his actions and behaviors are fishy.

Destee

06-14-2005, 03:58 AM

I don't feel comfortable with a grown man sleeping with boys. That's something he admitted too. I don't feel comfortable with a grown man who totes boys around like MJ did with Emauel Lewis along with a host of his other boy friends. I don't feel comfortable with someone like that owning books showcasing pictures of naked boys, which was found during the investigation.

I also find it interesting how he never befriended little girls to the level that he has befriended boys.

Legally I don't think there is enough evidence to point to his guilt in this case. But in my own personal opinion, his actions and behaviors are fishy.

Sister ... certainly i agree that his actions and behaviors are not "normal", but that does not make him guilty of a crime ... it just makes him weird.

If that is all you had said, that the Brother is kinda weird, or that you'd not want your children sleeping with him, etc., i would not have even responded ... but you took it further than that.

I believe that is part of their goal, putting all of a man's personal private business on blast ... so whatever the outcome is ... he will forever be tainted in the minds of the masses, and we will spread the word.

How many of us could stand the police to come into our homes unannounced, going through every private piece of paper, book, etc. ... and come out of it without something that folk would look wide-eyed at?

Somewhere on the forum this has been talked about before ... certainly in Brother OldSoul's classes for sure ... but often the goal is just to leak the story ... get it out there ... get folk to quit thinking that this Black man is worthy of the love and consideration he receives ... no matter if it is true or not.

Knowing those who control the media, as well as we do ... we feed into this much too easily.

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Destee

jamesfrmphilly

06-14-2005, 10:22 AM

Brother James ... why do you continue to refer to him as a pedophile ?

He's been found innocent of those charges.

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Destee
no, he was acquitted.
not innocent in my court.
in my court he is a pedophile.
again, i ask, why so much support?

why don't black people support jazz?

I don't consider the R. Kelley incident pedophilia because a 15-year-old is not a child. It is stupid and immature for a grown man to be sleeping with teenagers, but biologically speaking a teen is far from a child.
i think a 15 year old girl is a child.
not a sex object.

it is pedophilia in my book.
why is the community so forgiving of these jerks?

Sister ... certainly i agree that his actions and behaviors are not "normal", but that does not make him guilty of a crime ... it just makes him weird.

If that is all you had said, that the Brother is kinda weird, or that you'd not want your children sleeping with him, etc., i would not have even responded ... but you took it further than that.

I believe that is part of their goal, putting all of a man's personal private business on blast ... so whatever the outcome is ... he will forever be tainted in the minds of the masses, and we will spread the word.

How many of us could stand the police to come into our homes unannounced, going through every private piece of paper, book, etc. ... and come out of it without something that folk would look wide-eyed at?

Somewhere on the forum this has been talked about before ... certainly in Brother OldSoul's classes for sure ... but often the goal is just to leak the story ... get it out there ... get folk to quit thinking that this Black man is worthy of the love and consideration he receives ... no matter if it is true or not.

Knowing those who control the media, as well as we do ... we feed into this much too easily.

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Destee
i saw the film of him hanging that child out over the balcony rail.
do you feel the media made up that video?
he is a jerk.

there is a danger that in rushing to forgive those who are unfairly slandered we also forgive those who badly need censure.
every black person is not innocent.

Ralfa'il

06-14-2005, 01:30 PM

I could careless what happened to that snow monkey.

Why are so many black folks behind that clown?

What has he done for the black community?

He disassociated himself as much as he could from his blackness, married nothing but white women, bleached his skin....and he's a child abuser/molester.

He's a living example of the weak, emasculated, self-hating black man who has been turned into an entertaining pervert by his masters.

Khasm13

06-14-2005, 02:26 PM

michael jackson is lost...
the reason why i say this is because the people he tried to emmulate
later turned their backs on him...
he's bleached himself to white to ever come back to blackness
so i again i say...he's lost
i'll still pray for the brother though...
as long as he keep children out of his bed...

one love
khasm

pdiane

06-14-2005, 02:42 PM

I think Black folks are so tired of unjustice, Look at Aruba! When we see a Black man, even if he is Michael the self-hating, loving white people more than himself, Jackson.

To us, he is a talented, genuis Black man who went mad. We still are happy, like with OJ, to see him walk. We are happy to see the prosecuters lose this one out of the many that they have won against Black men and women. He represents us as a people, even if he doesn't think so, especially when it comes to the law.

I guess the questions is, will he abandon us again? Probably! Time will tell.

Final note: I do not think he is a pedophile, Brother James, he acts like most adult children who have never had a child hood. To me, there are some innate Afrakan reasons, and sick reasons why he sleeps with white children. Personally, I don't think they are sexual. He got national television and told us he slept with children, pedophiles don't do that. They are usually secretive, I would suspect.

Also, if he was a pedophile he would not be able to wait for ten years to be charged with another case. If we do our pedophile homework we will know that they are sick people who cannot resist sexaully contacting or doing something sexual as far as children are concerned.

I don't think there is a label for what is wrong with him, but I would like to start with a child abuse victim with immense self-hate past down from the trauma of slavery. Of course I could be wrong!
http://www.paedosexualitaet.de/pedo/def.html

karmashines

06-14-2005, 03:37 PM

no, he was acquitted.
not innocent in my court.
in my court he is a pedophile.
again, i ask, why so much support?

why don't black people support jazz?

i think a 15 year old girl is a child.
not a sex object.

it is pedophilia in my book.
why is the community so forgiving of these jerks?

i saw the film of him hanging that child out over the balcony rail.
do you feel the media made up that video?
he is a jerk.

there is a danger that in rushing to forgive those who are unfairly slandered we also forgive those who badly need censure.
every black person is not innocent.

If R. Kelly was 15, 16, or 17, and slept with this girl, would he still be considered a pedofile? This is indeed a scenario that happens often and seems to be accepted by society.

If the 15-year-old got pregnant would she still be a child?

jamesfrmphilly

06-14-2005, 03:41 PM

If R. Kelly was 15, 16, or 17, and slept with this girl, would he still be considered a pedophile? This is indeed a scenario that happens often and seems to be accepted by society.

If the 15-year-old got pregnant would she still be a child?
a: no
b: yes

He disassociated himself as much as he could from his blackness, married nothing but white women, bleached his skin....and he's a child abuser/molester.
He's a living example of the weak, emasculated, self-hating black man who has been turned into an entertaining pervert by his masters.
please explain why he receives massive support from those very same black people who he has rejected.?
why does he even get support on this site?

i repeat, righteous black jazz musicians are starving for support from black people while we fall all over this degenerate who does not even want us.

jamesfrmphilly

06-14-2005, 03:48 PM

He disassociated himself as much as he could from his blackness, married nothing but white women, bleached his skin....and he's a child abuser/molester.
He's a living example of the weak, emasculated, self-hating black man who has been turned into an entertaining pervert by his masters.
please explain why he receives massive support from those very same black people who he has rejected.?
why does he even get support on this site?

i repeat, riotous black jazz musicians are starving for support from black people while we fall all over this degenerate who does not even want us.

karmashines

06-14-2005, 03:49 PM

a: no
b: yes

I think if you have the ability to get pregnant or get someone pregnant you are far from a child. This doesn't mean it's right to act on sexual desire or for an older person to manipulate you but I don't view a 15-year-old in the same way as I would someone who was 10. Most 15-year-olds who have sex know what they are doing, even if it's with someone who is legally an adult.

I'm not justifying R. Kelly's actions though because legally the girl is not considered an adult in this society.

jamesfrmphilly

06-14-2005, 03:53 PM

I think if you have the ability to get pregnant or get someone pregnant you are far from a child.......
so for you childhood ends at puberty?
i disagree.

so do most of the laws in the country.

Sekhemu

06-14-2005, 04:00 PM

If R. Kelly was 15, 16, or 17, and slept with this girl, would he still be considered a pedofile? This is indeed a scenario that happens often and seems to be accepted by society.

If the 15-year-old got pregnant would she still be a child?

We're sorting splitting hairs between what constitutes children and minors. Although 15 year olds can have children, it doesn't make them grown.

If you are charged and convicted of statutory rape, you'll be known as a child molestor/paedofile.

$$RICH$$

06-14-2005, 04:12 PM

no matter what or how you may feel or think he still one of our bruthas
Mr. Jackson just tryed to re-live his childhood which he never had and
through it all has made him very confused and made a mistake which
i truely believe he will learn from .....why not support a brutha no matter
what he done to his face / body or actions he was found not guilty of all
14 charges against him by 12 white people their was no true evidents .

we have to evaluate ourselves and not become what many feel he has
and turn the back on thy own , maybe this why he did so because lack
of support from blacks , whatever his reasons he still one of us just confused

anybody can have porn books and surely many folks do what they get from
it i have no clue because to me they hold nothing or give nothing show me the
real deal not a pic of naked women and men but if one like books as such it's
their choice the man free and i congratulate his victory from prision

he free from the drama that was against him so i guess we can let it go too.

why do we down anything that say one of ours are so bad before we try to
support them and surely no one had any true evidents to say he guilty of
any of this , he admit to sleeping and toting boys whom he befriended with
but understand his actions the man trying to re-live his childhood
it do make sense don't you think ..........

so go head blast me fuss and debate it but the MAN free and innocent .

Isaiah

06-14-2005, 04:50 PM

James and Ralfa'il, most of our African American entertainers deserve as much loyalty from us as they have for us... How much is that??? A resounding NONE!

Secondly, Michael has given his enemies so much ammunition being stupid and naive about his honorary White status in this country that he forgot the card don't last no one a lifetime unless they're really white... That is on his ***, for being a naive simpleton, like O.J..

Thirdly, his case represents a catch-22 for all AFricans in America... On the one hand, we must stand up for his right to justice as a human being, while weighing the fact that he is also a Black Man, and all that entails... On the other hand, he long ago, literally and cosmetically, abandoned African Americans considering himself above those unwritten laws that circumscribe us, and give privilege to him in his "honorary White" status... Now that he found himself not so honored among the White Community, we could not so summarily abandon him as he'd done us... Afterall, don't we abandon our own, didn't we abandon even Malcolm X to his assassins one cold winter day in Harlem??? This is how we make up for it, by supporting clowns like Orange Juice and Wacko...

Wow, to be Black in America is a drama they don't even dream in Hollywood...

Peace!
Isaiah

jamesfrmphilly

06-14-2005, 05:59 PM

James and Ralfa'il, most of our African American entertainers deserve as much loyalty from us as they have for us... How much is that??? A resounding NONE!

as you know i have been ranting about self hate.
what does it mean when you give someone all your love while they turn their back on you?

is that self esteem?

how did black love get to be so cheap that not only do you have to do nothing to earn it, you can be any kind of counter revolutionary parasite and still get showered with black love?

this is dysfunctional!

you will find no more freverent defender of black folks than me.
however, there must be a police force even in heaven.
creeps, jerks and parasites must be separated out.
any community that showers love on parasites while denying honest, loyal members will not survive.

as always, there are many righteous jazz musicians who are starving for love from the community.

we best get our priorities straight.

karmashines

06-14-2005, 06:50 PM

as you know i have been ranting about self hate.
what does it mean when you give someone all your love while they turn their back on you?

is that self esteem?

how did black love get to be so cheap that not only do you have to do nothing to earn it, you can be any kind of counter revolutionary parasite and still get showered with black love?

this is dysfunctional!

you will find no more freverent defender of black folks than me.
however, there must be a police force even in heaven.
creeps, jerks and parasites must be separated out.
any community that showers love on parasites while denying honest, loyal members will not survive.

as always, there are many righteous jazz musicians who are starving for love from the community.

we best get our priorities straight.

Good points.

PoeticManifesta

06-14-2005, 06:53 PM

Hey yall, I think M.J may have achieved the ultimate! He is really white! lol.. There is no way in hell, a regular black man, with black skin, nappy hair would have gotten away with that.. too many allegations with white children! Thet woulda burned his brown bottom! :devil: Skraight up! So.. maybe it is possibel for us to recieve equality.. but we gotta leave our skin, hair, wide noses, and deep voices at home.. :great: Yip.. you can dooo it!

yaphet al-wynn

06-14-2005, 07:22 PM

OK. Let's put the getting white business out there. Mike may have vitiligo. With it there are only two treatments that Im am aware of and it was covered in Ebony years ago. Either if there is no further or limited melanin loss a cream can be used to cover and blend in the white blotches with the rest of the skin. If there is further and steady melanin loss, then surgery or removal of the remaining melanin that is dissapating is the course of treatment.Mr Jackson may have that condition and may not-it is a plausible reason on the skin change. And with melanin loss-you cannot be in the sun for limited period with protection, cause of increased risk of skin cancer. Well james at least you are consistent of the issue of pedophilia. Now again with Michael, the charges WERE tested in court.Even with past acts let in by 2nd and 3rd parties. The main one-JC-did not show up.1 testified and 3 denied. So in my opinion-Michael could not even be classified as an atypical pedophile. Even the Catholic priest scandals brought out More victims than Michael Jacksopn that was very willing to testify.

MississippiRed

06-14-2005, 08:25 PM

Mike ain't my brother and I honestly believe in my heart that he did something. It's just another example that even though Black people as a whole get a raw deal when it comes to the American justice system for the most part the most important color in this country is Green baby....you got that long green you can almost do what you want...your innocence is directly correlated to the amount of zero's on the left side of the decimal in your bank account...Mike admitted he sleeps in a bed with boys and the parents aren't allowed to be in the room, he has what could be considered child porn(by me anyway), if he loves kids so much why isn't he ever around any little girls, why doesn't he spend as much time with his own kids, sleep with them dog...and some of the stuff that came out during the trial was just too wild to even be a lie..Jesus Juice..come on now I couldn't make that up on my best day...I believed Mike should be put inside ..any 46 year old man that has to make an effort not to sleep with young boys needs help.....I think they should also prosecute the parents on child endangerment for letting them around that freak.....

The litmus test is this though...all the folks that are happy Mike is out and not inside and really believe he's innocent, would yall let your sons spend the night with Mike...

MississippiRed

MississippiRed

06-14-2005, 08:29 PM

Oh and one more thing sorry....folks want to say ..."well the courts let him go he was proven innocent in court" so were the cats that killed Emmit Till, and O.J . for that matter, John Gotti went before the court on many occassions only to be let go so having the court let you go don't mean much to me..

Akilah

06-14-2005, 10:19 PM

Hey, here's a question for all the folks who think MJ is innocent as opposed to the prosecution team just not having enough and/or any evidence with which to win their case (my personal opinion) :

Would you let your little boy spend the night in MJ's bedroom with an alarm on the bedroom door that alerts him whenever anyone approaches ???

I truly hope the brutha has learned from this recent experience and get's the help he so desperately needs and stops having (unrelated) little boys spend the night in his bedroom.

:fyi: Contrary to what some folks may think, pediophilia doesn't always involve "penetration". Plenty of child molesters settle for fondling and groping on top of clothing, and even agressive tickling. Therefore, even though no physical evidence such as semen or pubic hair can be presented, these precious victims have been sexually abused and emotionally wrecked all the same; anyone who thinks otherwise is either deeply in denial or dangerously naive.

Much Peace ~

jamesfrmphilly

06-14-2005, 10:58 PM

..."well the courts let him go he was proven innocent in court"..........
actualy, the verdict is "not guilty".
this is not the same as being Innocent, it means they couldn't prove the case.

Ralfa'il

06-14-2005, 11:23 PM

James

please explain why he receives massive support from those very same black people who he has rejected.?
why does he even get support on this site?

i repeat, righteous black jazz musicians are starving for support from black people while we fall all over this degenerate who does not even want us.
Like PDiane and others have said, I think most black people are so tired of seeing injustice being done to our people...some seem to automatically show unconditional support out of principle.

But personally, I think he abandoned the black community a long time ago and really doesn't deserve our support.

Perverted black folks like that really shouldn't get our public support anyway (innocent or not) because it's a bad PR move to support perverts and weirdos...it makes us look un-credible.

Isaiah

James and Ralfa'il, most of our African American entertainers deserve as much loyalty from us as they have for us... How much is that??? A resounding NONE!

Secondly, Michael has given his enemies so much ammunition being stupid and naive about his honorary White status in this country that he forgot the card don't last no one a lifetime unless they're really white... That is on his ***, for being a naive simpleton, like O.J..
I agree...

Michael sleeps with white kids, marries white women, and only seems to be black when his career or freedom is in jeopardy.

He said it didn't matter if you're black or white....until he felt disrespected by Sony Music...then he wanted everyone to join him in his crusade against racism in the music industry.

Just like his sister....

Janet (as fine as she may be) surrounded herself with white boyfriends right up until Justin Timberlake snatched her tiddy out on live television and then blamed it on HER .

Then she comes on an Award show talking about how she's a "proud black woman" and snatches up Jermain Dupri.

And I don't have to tell you about LaToya.....a dysfunctional family if I've ever seen one.

MississippiRed

06-14-2005, 11:24 PM

actualy, the verdict is "not guilty".
this is not the same as being Innocent, it means they couldn't prove the case.

True true...

Red

yaphet al-wynn

06-15-2005, 08:50 AM

With your logic james and Mississippi Red, then Geromimo Pratt did kill that white woman-and Johnnie Cochran's effort was in vain. See with this justice system, whether you actually committed a crime and your lawyer got you off or you were railroaded and innocent and had good lawyer that STILL got you off with a not guilty verdict. It still gonna have that same result. That is our justice system in America. If you were falsely accused and got off with a not guilty verdict. You would not give a **** that folks still thought you were guilty.

Akilah

06-15-2005, 09:11 AM

With your logic james and Mississippi Red, then Geromimo Pratt did kill that white woman-and Johnnie Cochran's effort was in vain.

Johnny Cochran's efforts weren't in vain... Mr Pratt is a free man today.
Innocent...or not.

yaphet al-wynn

06-15-2005, 11:37 AM

Thanks, Akilah. Geronimo's guilt or innocence was tested in a court of law as was Michael Jackson and as R Kelly's will be.

CarrieMonet

06-15-2005, 01:59 PM

Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he's innocent. It just means that his lawyers, fame, and money were able to bamboozle the jury.

If MJ was a normal man admitting to taking boys in his bed, toting boys around instead of a girlfriend, and possessing books of naked boys society would not be so forgiving.

Regardless, I hope he learns his lesson this time. Stop sleeping with boys and start acting like a 46-year-old man.

Karmasunshine, I couldn't agree more.

He claims he will stop having sleepovers, but if he is a true child molester, he won't be able to stop. Then again, he does have live-in little boys who are obviously not his REAL children...

I do agree that the accuser and his family were less than credible, but past cases probably would have had a different outcome had they gone to court. Michael is the one who does not seem to be learning anything from his recent past.

MississippiRed

06-15-2005, 02:45 PM

yaphet al-wynn

06-15-2005, 03:01 PM

What of those lynched in the past, the US Senate apologized for-guess they were all guilty in your eyes too...as Geronimo Pratt?

jamesfrmphilly

06-15-2005, 05:17 PM

What of those lynched in the past, the US Senate apologized for-guess they were all guilty in your eyes too...as Geronimo Pratt?

With your logic all Black folks are innocent....and we all know that's garbage...

the black community needs a police force too.

Isaiah

06-15-2005, 05:21 PM

Thanks, Akilah. Geronimo's guilt or innocence was tested in a court of law as was Michael Jackson and as R Kelly's will be.

Awww, man, Yaphet, now we're bringing R.Kelly into the mix... James is right, we support the most retrograde bunch... No way that clown gets my support - and that's whether the video turns out to have been doctored or not...

Peace!
Isaiah

MississippiRed

06-15-2005, 05:28 PM

What of those lynched in the past, the US Senate apologized for-guess they were all guilty in your eyes too...as Geronimo Pratt?

Jim Crow Justice v today's justice is comparing apples to oranges ...and please stop mentioning Geronimo Pratt....I wasn't there don't know if he did or didn't do it...evidence pointed towards him being an innocent man...evidence in the case with Mike pointed to him being guilty..why would you back a man a 46 year old man regardless of race that admits he sleeps with boys .....not his own kids but other young boys....he's around more boys than women....and please let's not get into the history of lynching and the court system during that time I know the history intimately and know the U.S. judicial system isn't perfect not even close but in the case of Mike they were dead wrong....I don't base the innocense of a man or woman on their skin color....can you say that...?

yaphet al-wynn

06-16-2005, 03:37 PM

Nice dodge. Both you and james said that Not Guilty does not denote innocence. In the absolute definition of not guilty is that the state did not prove it its' case-ipso facto innocent till proven guilty. If not proven guilty...your innocent. Now you brought skin color in THIS. Of the lynching victim-one known was white and Jewish in Atlanta at the turn of the century-lynched for an alleged rape and murder of a little white girl. Since you said it is garbage tha a Black person or all Black person are innocent-guess since he was white and lynched---that is an exception to your rule?

MississippiRed

06-16-2005, 04:14 PM

Ledda

06-16-2005, 09:46 PM

only dodge I know is a truck or car.....being proven not guilty in a court of law does not mean you are innocent of the crime you are charged with ..trust me on this one I speak from experience...and more than 1 white has been lynched in America since the turn of the century but I still can't draw the connection you're trying to make to the modern day court system...and I still say you can base your opinion of whether someone committed a crime on the color of their skin.....and it is garbage that you would think that simply because someone is Black they are innocent..can't Black folk commit crimes...the same as a white saying all white folk are innocent is complete garbage....it's dirty folk on all sides

Red

I just got in on this. You're right. In court a panel of your peers finds you "not guilty" by reasonable doubt and that's what this jury basically says that they did. They didn't believe the mother and thought that she had coached her kids to lie as well. But the media really twisted a lot of things, twisted things that were presented and twisted statements made by witnesses, lawyers, jurors, and the defendant himself. The white media is still mad about OJ getting off. NOw they're really beside themselves. They only brought up the OJ trial every 5-10 minutes whenever they talked about Micheal Jackson. Did you notice they didn't cover the Robert Blake trial half as much? As you said just because a person is black doesn't make him innocent, but the white media and the prosecution's office there I think wanted to send a not just another black man but a black icon to prison. They didn't even have a stable case to present but the media wanted the world to believe that they did, and so twisted everything that came into play. Now they're trying to entertain the thought that he could be broke. If he really wants to help children there are many black children who could use it. Open up a clinic, hospital, or safe house. He should also take some of that money and go back to the shade he was when Thriller came out.

MississippiRed

06-16-2005, 09:52 PM

Exactly...I personally believe Mike did molest that boy, I believe OJ did it and I know I know...Robert Blake killed that woman......you're right if Mike wants to help kids there are many things he could do with the amount of money he has at his command....I don't even think Mike likes kids in general I honestly think he is a pedophile but he like many criminals with the means to get it done is back out ....

MississippiRed
Cash .......if you aint' got it , better get it...

yaphet al-wynn

06-17-2005, 02:16 PM

Mississippi Red, I hope in this great beyond that you are not wrongfully accused by a DA that has a h-on for you with the full weight of tax dollars to get you. You'd be glad to have cash to fight against the full weight and credit of the state going against you. And people with your mindset that goes against you when the not guilty verdict goes down in your favor 'cause they can't accept it. That is the reason I keep bringing up Geronimo Pratt. Whether you want to avoid it or not.

yaphet al-wynn

06-17-2005, 02:19 PM

Oh, yeah-the jury did not only not believe the mother, they did not believe the accuser, his brother and his sister. Plus a few other witnesses.

yaphet al-wynn

06-17-2005, 02:26 PM

MississippiRed

06-17-2005, 05:00 PM

It's not that the boy out here is being ignored the thing is this was a discussion about mike getting off....now if this boy gets off ...I'll be more pissed because he is truly a danger to society....hell there's a register sex offender living 5 houses from me I'm pissed about that too because I can't let my kids go anywhere without me.....but it still stands we were talking about Mike getting off now if you want to talk about the other freak out here or nambla ..( I wish all them dudes would have something horrid happen to them) then we can carry on that conversation.....

MississippiRed
Equal Opportunity Hater

MississippiRed

06-17-2005, 05:12 PM

Brother the point is this....no grown man sleeps in the same bed with young boys...none that is the behavior of a pedophile, no 46 year old man forgoes the company of women for the company of young boys, no grown man does an interview with a 12 year old boy where the boy sits there with his arm around said man unless it is his Father...Mike is a pedophile whether you want to admit it or not.The budget of the state and quality of the DA is not top quality like you would think...Mike put himself in this situation due to his deviant behavior so he gets what he gets I have no sympathy for him at all....if at some point in time I again put myself i situation where I'm brought before a court and can at that time get a conviction so be it....I should not have put myself in that situation...the difference is Mike's behavior as far as children in general go and boys in particular does have the overtones of a pedophile....I could careless about the crying of "I didn't have a chiildhood and now I'm reliving it" "Joe beat me"....I didn't have a childhood, my folks and teachers used to beat me at times mercilessly...and I don't sleep in the same bed with young boys, I don't surround myself with children...and again not young girls for the most part young boys, I don't leave porn around for boys to look at...I don't have kiddie porn on my computer.....why? I am not a pedophile...any man that has to make a conscious effort not to sleep with boys in his bed a conscious effort mind you...is a pedophile....and again the litmus test is......Would you let your son spend the night with Mike?
and thank you for not wishing anything bad on me but if the next time I'm accused of something is anything like the last time more than likely I did do it...

MississippiRed

MississippiRed

06-17-2005, 05:32 PM

But I think in the end Bruh...the best thing for us to do is just agree to disagree on this one.....

It's all love

Red

yaphet al-wynn

06-17-2005, 05:56 PM

Cool!!! yikes, gotta add more. but I never mean to wish any harm on you or any brother or sister here. Things CAN happen and you are just minding your own business, not doing any dirt or anything.

MississippiRed

06-17-2005, 06:00 PM

Ain't that the truth... :)

Red

karmashines

06-17-2005, 08:37 PM

Ledda

06-17-2005, 09:08 PM

jamesfrmphilly

06-17-2005, 09:14 PM

While everyone is bashing MJ as a pedophile. How come there is a lack of outrage against a 63 year convicted molester in CA, that had 36,000 names and may had more victims than the two he was convicted for? And an international manhunt for an allege molester that molested a teenage girl ,killed his wife and on the lam? He's a SC patrolman or policeman?
what makes you state that there is a lack of outrage?
do you have an outrage meter?
this is a thread about MJ.
that is why we are talking about him.
you can be assured that i am outraged about anyone who abuses a child!

j'hiah

06-17-2005, 09:23 PM

even if MJ were a pedophile, what are you? got skeletons? :donttell:

Ledda

06-17-2005, 09:26 PM

Those who believe MJ is innocent still didn't answer the question which several members on this thread have asked: would you let your child sleep in Michael Jackson's bed if he truly isn't a pedophile?

I thought about this one for a long time. I do believe he's innocent and ecentric, that's just my opinion, and several others would probably disagree. I'll say again that I think the media twisted a lot of details and information to their advantage and his disadvantage. Macaulay Culkin stated that the media made it sound bad when they were making statements that he was sleeping with boys when he has a two story bedroom with three bathrooms and a bed bigger than you can imagine. But I don't find it appropriate to allow my children to sleep with any adults other than myself, their father, my mother, sisters, or my grandmother. There are just boundaries and morals. I would probably trust my kids to go to his home, his amusement park and all, but I don't know him well enough to say "ok" to a sleepover. I'd feel that way about any celebrity or any other person period. It was months before I would allow my youngest daughter to stay the night at my mother-in-law's house because I didn't feel I was that close to them yet. It's kind of a two sided sword thing. I wouldn't allow my kids to sleep in the same bed with him but not because I think he's a pedophile, I think it's inappropriate.

Ledda

06-17-2005, 09:28 PM

what makes you state that there is a lack of outrage?
do you have an outrage meter?
this is a thread about MJ.
that is why we are talking about him.
you can be assured that i am outraged about anyone who abuses a child!

It probably won't be as publicized as the MJ trial, though.

moham

06-18-2005, 01:15 PM

So MJ was found not guilty on all charges.
I hope for those childeren that slept in his bed, he is.

peace
moham

Auroraflower

06-26-2005, 05:31 PM

As for my own apinion ...
i already put it down on one of my respondings on the topic
all time favorite micheal jackson video,s....

plus i full 100% agree with what Brother rich said (and i say this not because it was youre birthday rich :hearts4: to give you more props lol)
he took the.words out of my mouth....

And i want to ad sumthing to it......

Like i said before and i say this also on a daily basses to people...

I hope people are god fearing...

Cause in this time we are living in...
its not even about casses anymore ....
Its about us all standing straight in front of god....
Cause there are judges who let people free who are guilty ..
and there are judges who hold people who are not guilty ..

Thats why god is the only judge...
he knows everything..

And We can not speak for him ....
he does what he wants >he that mighty..

The way i feld it ....
was like ....
That Michael has done a lot of gods work ...(he may have made mistakes like we all, have .....we should always give glory to the highest for all good that we do for, and know who god is and how he works,and we should always contineu to fear him,the highest high )

and that the Evil was trying to get him down in manny ways and tryed to hit him tough people where he tought he can hit him the most (that is what evil always does)...
and gave him verry sharp trials..

But i know that there were people who prayed for him.. :hearts4:

Asking...
if he is a treu son of god....
and god wants to contiue doing his work treu him......Though gods ways..
they are not going to lock him up..
And if his heart is on the wrong placed or fild with evil things(witch everyone of us can have,so he is also not alone in this) ..than people need to continue praying for him ....

But i believe in my heart that he had a calling (and still has) in his life
and that he had to go trough this...
maybe even to strenghthen his relationship with god....
or to come close with his family (and i hope he stayes close with his family now who supported him , i hope he doesnt isolate hisself )or to learn from his fault ,or learn what is real and not real,who is real with him who is not.....
god and him only knows why he had to go trough this....

And i hope now ...
He can have a peacefull life with his children..(cause i believe some fooks forgot that he is a father)That he will stay close to god...who can protect him from everything heal him with everything ,cause evil will always follow people who want to do the will of thy father ...

and that they .....

like i sang manny time....

LEAVE HIM ALOOOOOOOOOOOOne Go home..!

Now some of the asked me ....
when i spoke like this .....

""are you a fan""?

than i say ....

I like his music yes .
Always have been inspired by his dancing...
and i think he and U2 ...(the rock band) and some others artist are doing well by bringin good music plus doing sumthing for the world...
the comunnity..

and LIFT UP GODS NAME...

LoveAuroraflower:heart:

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