There is ABSOLUTLY NO documented evidence of history going back past 10,000 years.

You couldn't find any concrete and verifiable evidence to disprove this to save your own life.

If you read Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Ethiopian, Etruscan, Hebrew, Sumerian, Indus Valley, Chinese history both written and oral...they all start recording thier existance AFTER 4000 B.C.

There is no written documentation of geneology or civilization going back beyond this point, therefore you can't prove it.

There is ABSOLUTLY NO documented evidence of history going back past 10,000 years.

You couldn't find any concrete and verifiable evidence to disprove this to save your own life.

If you read Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Ethiopian, Etruscan, Hebrew, Sumerian, Indus Valley, Chinese history both written and oral...they all start recording thier existance AFTER 4000 B.C.

There is no written documentation of geneology or civilization going back beyond this point, therefore you can't prove it.

Please take notice to the underscored statement: "IF YOU READ".

The RA-HERAKHTI (incorrectly called the "SPHINX") and many BENU-BENU (correct term for PYRAMIDS) are 9,000 years old or more.

The story of the ANU (the original tribe of the Kemetians) their history in the interior of Africa began several thousand years before dynastic Kemet.

I noticed that one of the sites that you GOOGLED from:

http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html

The Sumerian King List records all the rulers of Earth back over 400,000 years. This huge stretch of time coupled with reigns into the thousands of years has caused most historians to reject its accuracy. However all the early rulers were gods - immortals. The King List does record the reign of Enmeduranki whose name meant 'ruler whose me connect Heaven and Earth.'
The NAVAJO Indians have an oral tradition dating back 15 to 20,000 years ago; so do the Aztecs.

The oldest Cunieform (Sumerian script) dates back 10,000 years in and of itself........In order to have a complex writing to begin with, a society has to follow a pathological trail of intellectual development, that often lasts centuries, to several millenium.

One does not come from the mud, and automatically begin writing in calligraphical style in 7 days (despite what the Bible says).

Besides, in one of the ADAM threads, you acknowledged the claim that the first man (so-called mythological ADAM) was created only 6,000 years ago.

Isn’t 6000 < 10,000?

Do you even know?

This is why KNOWLEDGE supercedes BELIEF.

You are more than welcome to BELIEVE whatever you wish; ADAM is the first man, the sky is green, etc.

But Knowledge will reign supreme over the rest of us.

PEACE

Sam

Peace...

I'm still waiting on you to provide VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of man's history going back past 10,000 years.

What lists of generations and community calendars can you provide?

We may not always agree with the Bible, but atleast they provide a list of generations from Adam all the way to the Roman Empire.

Where is yours?

And please don't tell me what some white scientist or archeologist said about some monkey who fell out a tree and kept rolling until he turned into a civilized man...bring me some documented proof from the people themselves of their origins and history.

Sam

Peace...

I'm still waiting on you to provide VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of man's history going back past 10,000 years.

Don't ask for something that you yourself are not willing to provide for anyone else.

Besides, it's interesting that you quote all of these GOOGLE websites, yet if you even bothered to read them thoroughly, you would then have the answer to your request.

I'm sure you know what "IQR'AA" means, yes?



What lists of generations and community calendars can you provide?

We may not always agree with the Bible, but atleast they provide a list of generations from Adam all the way to the Roman Empire.

Where is yours?

Where is my what?

Yet another irony; in another thread, you made the outlandish claim that there is made mention of the Hebrews in Kemetic texts (texts that you never bothered to specify by name--go figure), but if you were truly even half as well versed in Kemetic records as you seem to be in all things Biblical, then yet again you would have the answer to your questions.

You haven't read the first thing about Kemetic literature, but are prepared to make the most ridiculous claims about something you've never read.

And please don't tell me what some white scientist or archeologist said about some monkey who fell out a tree and kept rolling until he turned into a civilized man...bring me some documented proof from the people themselves of their origins and history.

I tell you what; bring me proof of your Abraham from that other thread, and I'll supply you with all the info that you are requesting here.

Sound like a deal?

Otherwise, I'll just offer you the same ridiculous retort that you gave me:

"Send me a stamp".

:rolleyes:

Sam

Salaams...

Don't ask for something that you yourself are not willing to provide for anyone else.
How can I prove a negative?

How can I provide evidence that man DOESN'T go back past 10,000 years of history?

That's like trying to prove that I wasn't around in 1937.

I asked YOU for proof.

But the fact that you can find no legitimate historical documentation for these claims is proof enough for those with sense.

The closest thing you can come to of history going back beyond this point is mythology of "gods/deities" inhabiting the Earth and in the position of rulership.





Where is my what?

Yet another irony; in another thread, you made the outlandish claim that there is made mention of the Hebrews in Kemetic texts (texts that you never bothered to specify by name--go figure), but if you were truly even half as well versed in Kemetic records as you seem to be in all things Biblical, then yet again you would have the answer to your questions.

You haven't read the first thing about Kemetic literature, but are prepared to make the most ridiculous claims about something you've never read.

Enough of the insults and intellectual belittling....

I'm looking for someone to provide me with the evidence of MAN/HUMAN BEINGS going back more than 10,000 years.

The bible...regardless as to how you feel about it...atleast puts down an outline of generations.

You can't even do that.



I tell you what; bring me proof of your Abraham from that other thread, and I'll supply you with all the info that you are requesting here.

Sound like a deal?
Abraham, Moses, or Sammy Davis Jr. have nothing to do with this thread and my demand of evidence of the claim that we have been on this planet milllllionz of years like so many of you have repeatedly claimed.


Jericho is among the oldest cities and IT doesn't go back past 9,000 years.

Find me a city anywhere on this planet over 10,000 years old.

Sam

Salaams...


How can I prove a negative?

How can I provide evidence that man DOESN'T go back past 10,000 years of history?

That's like trying to prove that I wasn't around in 1937.

I asked YOU for proof.

Oh that's right; I forgot that I was dealing with a painfully linear thinker.

I've been asking you for documented evidence for your outlandish claims ever since I firt came on this site.

And aside from some websites that you found (but didn't even read) on GOOGLE, consisting of some pictures that someone drew of snakes, you haven't even attempted to honor my request.

Hence my statement:

"Don't ask for something that you yourself are not willing to provide for anyone else."

But the fact that you can find no legitimate historical documentation for these claims is proof enough for those with sense.

The closest thing you can come to of history going back beyond this point is mythology of "gods/deities" inhabiting the Earth and in the position of rulership.

I'd tell you that you don't even know you're talking about, but that's been painfully obvious in the past several threads and responses from you.

Enough of the insults and intellectual belittling....I'm looking for someone to provide me with the evidence of MAN/HUMAN BEINGS going back more than 10,000 years.

This is funny, coming from you. You're not looking for serious answers here, and you know it.

If you were, then you'd step up your own intelllectual pursuits and find the info that you CLAIM to be asking for.

It's out there.

The bible...regardless as to how you feel about it...atleast puts down an outline of generations.

You can't even do that.

Weren't we discussing this in another topic?

You can't even prove that your Biblical characters actually even exsisted, so then the Bible itself offers prove of little to nothing, other than it being a well-composed piece of Shakespeare work.

Abraham, Moses, or Sammy Davis Jr. have nothing to do with this thread and my demand of evidence of the claim that we have been on this planet milllllionz of years like so many of you have repeatedly claimed.

If they have nothing to do with this, why then do you mention the Bible in every post in this thread, in attempts to structure your agruments around it?

Jericho is among the oldest cities and IT doesn't go back past 9,000 years.

And?

Find me a city anywhere on this planet over 10,000 years old.

In addition to the ones I mentioned in my first post in this thread, let's name another:

The DOGON.

HOTEP.

Sam
Respect

In addition to the ones I mentioned in my first post in this thread, let's name another:
The DOGON.
The Dogon?

DOG GONE IT!!

((Brutha Ralf takes those papers and throws them back at Samurai))


Man first of all the Dogon are a TRIBE/CULTURE of people and not a city, but as far as thierr history...it doesn't even go back past FIVE thousand years, let along TEN thousand.

"The Dogon are a cliff-dwelling people who live in Southeastern Mali and Burkina Faso. Among the people groups in Africa they are unique in that they have kept and continued to develop their own culture even in the midst of Islamic invasions which have conquered and adapted many of the current people groups

Until the 1930's the Dogon were very insulated from the outside world and resisted any foreign influence. Through oral tradition it is said that they originated from the west bank of the Niger River, around 1490 A.D. they were fleeing from the Mossi people and entered the Bandiagara cliffs region. There they have lived ever since. Because of their refuge in the cliffs they were able to resist the Muslims, the French, and others who have attempted to conquer them. "

http://www.archaeolink.com/africa_social_anthropology_dogon.htm


Now if you don't want to accept this link then find your own link on the Dogon and show me where they go back past 10,000 years.

Got a simple question for the naysayers. If the civilization of khemet is only 5000-6000 years old, how do you explain rain erosion on the so called sphinx?

Sek

Got a simple question for the naysayers. If the civilization of khemet is only 5000-6000 years old, how do you explain rain erosion on the so called sphinx?

Not sure what exactly they are saying "nay" about or if I even qualify but...

Mt. Rushmore ain't 200 years old and shows the same wear and tear.

Sek



Not sure what exactly they are saying "nay" about or if I even qualify but...

Mt. Rushmore ain't 200 years old and shows the same wear and tear.


Is Mt. Rushmore in a Desert?

Is Mt. Rushmore in a Desert?


And not only that, but MT RUSHMORE was around as a geological structure long before white people carved their faces into it, so I don't see the point of even mentioning that.

Sek



Is Mt. Rushmore in a Desert?
No....and???

What does that have to so with it not being as old as the Sphinx yet still shows wear and tear?

Napoleon shot the nose off of the Sphinx so that accounts for some of the damage.

Now does the sphinx have a corner stone with a "founding date" on it for us to know exactly when it was built?




Samurai

I'm still waiting on you to provide me evidence of a city older than Jericho or past 10,000 years old.

I already produced evidence that Dogon doesn't qualify...do you have another?

Sek




No....and???

What does that have to so with it not being as old as the Sphinx yet still shows wear and tear?

Napoleon shot the nose off of the Sphinx so that accounts for some of the damage.

Now does the sphinx have a corner stone with a "founding date" on it for us to know exactly when it was built?




Samurai

I'm still waiting on you to provide me evidence of a city older than Jericho or past 10,000 years old.

I already produced evidence that Dogon doesn't qualify...do you have another?


You missed the point entirely. The lines on the Sphinx are caused by rain erosion, and as you should know, it doesn't normally rain in the desert. The last time Khemet sustained a rainy season was well over 7000 years ago.

Again, provide me with some WRITTEN evidence from the people of Kemet themselves of this.

It's not enough to just "say it" and because it sounds romantic we all should believe it, prove it.

Again, provide me with some WRITTEN evidence from the people of Kemet themselves of this.

It's not enough to just "say it" and because it sounds romantic we all should believe it, prove it.


Prove to me that it wasn't. There is a list of kings compiled by the ancient historian Manetho, a list of anti-deluvian kings and post-deluvian ones. In fact try looking up something called the palermo stone. Google it, I'm you can find it.

But we are being sidetracked by you, what does it matter how old the civilization of khemet is, they're heathens right?

There is a list of kings compiled by the ancient historian Manetho, a list of anti-deluvian kings and post-deluvian ones

Milli Vanilli

Don't blame it on the rain!

Since you and the Egyptians believed in the Great Flood, how do you know those lines weren't caused by erosion from the Great Flood instead of rain?

Now does the sphinx have a cornerstone with a "founding date" on it for us to know exactly when it was built?Salaam Ralfa'il. I would suggest to you that it does...I offer the following information:

The Sphinx was not built with quarried blocks like the pyramids and temples it guards, but carved out of the living bedrock. Its makers gave it a woman's head and the body of a lion. It is 66 feet high and an impressive 240 feet long. It has the most extraordinary expression, like a hundred Mona Lisas all rolled into one. And its eyes gaze forever at the distant horizon due east, at the Equinox Point, at something not of this world but beyond it...in the sky.

The ancient Egyptians constantly referred to a remote "Golden Age" they called Zep Tepi, the “First Time” of Osiris, which they believed had long predated the Pyramid Age. Osiris was Orion, and the Great Pyramid had a shaft directed to Orion at the meridian. This astro-architectural language seemed to be spelling out, “Here is Osiris, in the sky when these pyramids were built…yet know too, that his origins are rooted in the “First Time”…but the “First Time” of what? How could the stars of Orion have a “First Time”?

Well they can…and they do. Provided, of course, that you can read through the allegorical “language” of the ancients via the symbolic architecture and the related pyramid texts. Allegory, to put it in another way, is the “Q-Basics” of the master astronomers who designed the Gizeh complex. When the stars of Orion are observed on the meridian in the precise manner that the ancient Egyptian astronomers did over many centuries, they could not help noting that these stars crossed the south meridian at different altitudes at different epochs. This, of course, is due to the phenomenon of the Precession of the Equinoxes. In short, the stars of Orion can be said to have a starting point or “beginning” at the nadir of their precessional cycle. Simple calculations show that this occurred in 10,500 BC...

Could the ancient astronomers of the Pyramid Age have used their very clever “silent language” combined with the precession to freeze the “First Time” of Osiris – somewhat as the gifted architects of gothic cathedrals froze in allegorical stonework the “time of Christ?”

In 1993 Graham Hancock investigated this issue. He was quick to realize the important implications this approach could have on the Sphinx problem. He had a hunch that the curious harking back to the epoch of 10,500 BC by the pyramid builders was an invitation by them to consider the actual age of the Sphinx. If this hypothesis was correct, then the Sphinx must be an “original” time-marker of that remote epoch, using a celestial tag valid for 10,500 BC. But which tag? What could the Sphinx be representing that was in the sky? Could this have something to do with the due east direction of its gaze toward the horizon?

In his Fingerprints of the Gods, Hancock pointed out that the “First Time” date of 10,500 BC also denoted the beginning (or “First Time”) of the Age of Leo. This was when the constellation Leo would have risen heliacally (at dawn before the Sun) on the day of the Vernal Equinox (March 20). This event brought the constellation to rest due east, thus in perfect alignment with the Sphinx. In other words, the Sphinx was made to look at her own image in the horizon – and consequently at her own “time.”

Hancock pointed out that 10,500 BC was no random date. It precisely denoted another beginning…that of Orion-Osiris defined on the ground with the pattern and alignments of the nearby Pyramids. Could it be possible that some blueprint was put into motion in 10,500 BC with the making of the Sphinx, then to be completed much later by the builders of the Pyramids?

As 10,500 BC was the beginning of the Age of Leo (just as ca. 2005 AD is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius), and the zodiac signs move backward in the “Precession of the Equinoxes,” the building of the Sphinx denoted the time when the precession was changing, i.e., going from the Age of Virgo to the Age of Leo (an astrological age=2160 years). This is why the body of the Sphinx is that of a lion (Leo the Lion) and the head is that of a female (Virgo the Virgin).

Thus we have the ancient Egyptians of Africa acknowledging the Precession of the Equinoxes by building the Sphinx, one of the true wonders of the world, in honor of their civilization going from the Age of Virgo to the Age of Leo in 10,500 BC…certainly their “First Time.”

Milli Vanilli

Don't blame it on the rain!

Since you and the Egyptians believed in the Great Flood, how do you know those lines weren't caused by erosion from the Great Flood instead of rain?


What is this three card Monty. The lines were caused by rain, and it hasn't rained in Khemet for over 7000 years, if you don't want to believe it, prove it.

Salaam Ralfa'il. I would suggest to you that it does...I offer the following information:

The Sphinx was not built with quarried blocks like the pyramids and temples it guards, but carved out of the living bedrock. Its makers gave it a woman's head and the body of a lion. It is 66 feet high and an impressive 240 feet long. It has the most extraordinary expression, like a hundred Mona Lisas all rolled into one. And its eyes gaze forever at the distant horizon due east, at the Equinox Point, at something not of this world but beyond it...in the sky.

The ancient Egyptians constantly referred to a remote "Golden Age" they called Zep Tepi, the “First Time” of Osiris, which they believed had long predated the Pyramid Age. Osiris was Orion, and the Great Pyramid had a shaft directed to Orion at the meridian. This astro-architectural language seemed to be spelling out, “Here is Osiris, in the sky when these pyramids were built…yet know too, that his origins are rooted in the “First Time”…but the “First Time” of what? How could the stars of Orion have a “First Time”?

Well they can…and they do. Provided, of course, that you can read through the allegorical “language” of the ancients via the symbolic architecture and the related pyramid texts. Allegory, to put it in another way, is the “Q-Basics” of the master astronomers who designed the Gizeh complex. When the stars of Orion are observed on the meridian in the precise manner that the ancient Egyptian astronomers did over many centuries, they could not help noting that these stars crossed the south meridian at different altitudes at different epochs. This, of course, is due to the phenomenon of the Precession of the Equinoxes. In short, the stars of Orion can be said to have a starting point or “beginning” at the nadir of their precessional cycle. Simple calculations show that this occurred in 10,500 BC...

Could the ancient astronomers of the Pyramid Age have used their very clever “silent language” combined with the precession to freeze the “First Time” of Osiris – somewhat as the gifted architects of gothic cathedrals froze in allegorical stonework the “time of Christ?”

In 1993 Graham Hancock investigated this issue. He was quick to realize the important implications this approach could have on the Sphinx problem. He had a hunch that the curious harking back to the epoch of 10,500 BC by the pyramid builders was an invitation by them to consider the actual age of the Sphinx. If this hypothesis was correct, then the Sphinx must be an “original” time-marker of that remote epoch, using a celestial tag valid for 10,500 BC. But which tag? What could the Sphinx be representing that was in the sky? Could this have something to do with the due east direction of its gaze toward the horizon?

In his Fingerprints of the Gods, Hancock pointed out that the “First Time” date of 10,500 BC also denoted the beginning (or “First Time”) of the Age of Leo. This was when the constellation Leo would have risen heliacally (at dawn before the Sun) on the day of the Vernal Equinox (March 20). This event brought the constellation to rest due east, thus in perfect alignment with the Sphinx. In other words, the Sphinx was made to look at her own image in the horizon – and consequently at her own “time.”

Hancock pointed out that 10,500 BC was no random date. It precisely denoted another beginning…that of Orion-Osiris defined on the ground with the pattern and alignments of the nearby Pyramids. Could it be possible that some blueprint was put into motion in 10,500 BC with the making of the Sphinx, then to be completed much later by the builders of the Pyramids?

As 10,500 BC was the beginning of the Age of Leo (just as ca. 2005 AD is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius), and the zodiac signs move backward in the “Precession of the Equinoxes,” the building of the Sphinx denoted the time when the precession was changing, i.e., going from the Age of Virgo to the Age of Leo (an astrological age=2160 years). This is why the body of the Sphinx is that of a lion (Leo the Lion) and the head is that of a female (Virgo the Virgin).

Thus we have the ancient Egyptians of Africa acknowledging the Precession of the Equinoxes by building the Sphinx, one of the true wonders of the world, in honor of their civilization going from the Age of Virgo to the Age of Leo in 10,500 BC…certainly their “First Time.”


Excellent post Aqil

Sek

Respect

What is this three card Monty. The lines were caused by rain, and it hasn't rained in Khemet for over 7000 years, if you don't want to believe it, prove it
Never heard of a three card "monty"......

You're the one who said that there was a list of kings BEFORE and AFTER the deluge, I just asked how do you know that force of those waters didn't cause the erosion much sooner in history instead of April showers.

Sek

Respect


Never heard of a three card "monty"......

You're the one who said that there was a list of kings BEFORE and AFTER the deluge, I just asked how do you know that force of those waters didn't cause the erosion much sooner in history instead of April showers.


How do you know when the flood occurred? do you think it happened 6000 years ago? lol

Sek



Not sure what exactly they are saying "nay" about or if I even qualify but...

Mt. Rushmore ain't 200 years old and shows the same wear and tear.
YOU GO RALF'AL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU GO RALF'AL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, please do. :rolleyes:

The Sphinx was not built with quarried blocks like the pyramids and temples it guards, but carved out of the living bedrock. Its makers gave it a woman's head and the body of a lion. It is 66 feet high and an impressive 240 feet long. It has the most extraordinary expression, like a hundred Mona Lisas all rolled into one. And its eyes gaze forever at the distant horizon due east, at the Equinox Point, at something not of this world but beyond it...in the sky.

The ancient Egyptians constantly referred to a remote "Golden Age" they called Zep Tepi, the “First Time” of Osiris, which they believed had long predated the Pyramid Age. Osiris was Orion, and the Great Pyramid had a shaft directed to Orion at the meridian. This astro-architectural language seemed to be spelling out, “Here is Osiris, in the sky when these pyramids were built…yet know too, that his origins are rooted in the “First Time”…but the “First Time” of what? How could the stars of Orion have a “First Time”?

Well they can…and they do. Provided, of course, that you can read through the allegorical “language” of the ancients via the symbolic architecture and the related pyramid texts. Allegory, to put it in another way, is the “Q-Basics” of the master astronomers who designed the Gizeh complex. When the stars of Orion are observed on the meridian in the precise manner that the ancient Egyptian astronomers did over many centuries, they could not help noting that these stars crossed the south meridian at different altitudes at different epochs. This, of course, is due to the phenomenon of the Precession of the Equinoxes. In short, the stars of Orion can be said to have a starting point or “beginning” at the nadir of their precessional cycle. Simple calculations show that this occurred in 10,500 BC...

Could the ancient astronomers of the Pyramid Age have used their very clever “silent language” combined with the precession to freeze the “First Time” of Osiris – somewhat as the gifted architects of gothic cathedrals froze in allegorical stonework the “time of Christ?”

In 1993 Graham Hancock investigated this issue. He was quick to realize the important implications this approach could have on the Sphinx problem. He had a hunch that the curious harking back to the epoch of 10,500 BC by the pyramid builders was an invitation by them to consider the actual age of the Sphinx. If this hypothesis was correct, then the Sphinx must be an “original” time-marker of that remote epoch, using a celestial tag valid for 10,500 BC. But which tag? What could the Sphinx be representing that was in the sky? Could this have something to do with the due east direction of its gaze toward the horizon?

In his Fingerprints of the Gods, Hancock pointed out that the “First Time” date of 10,500 BC also denoted the beginning (or “First Time”) of the Age of Leo. This was when the constellation Leo would have risen heliacally (at dawn before the Sun) on the day of the Vernal Equinox (March 20). This event brought the constellation to rest due east, thus in perfect alignment with the Sphinx. In other words, the Sphinx was made to look at her own image in the horizon – and consequently at her own “time.”

Hancock pointed out that 10,500 BC was no random date. It precisely denoted another beginning…that of Orion-Osiris defined on the ground with the pattern and alignments of the nearby Pyramids. Could it be possible that some blueprint was put into motion in 10,500 BC with the making of the Sphinx, then to be completed much later by the builders of the Pyramids?

As 10,500 BC was the beginning of the Age of Leo (just as ca. 2005 AD is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius), and the zodiac signs move backward in the “Precession of the Equinoxes,” the building of the Sphinx denoted the time when the precession was changing, i.e., going from the Age of Virgo to the Age of Leo (an astrological age=2160 years). This is why the body of the Sphinx is that of a lion (Leo the Lion) and the head is that of a female (Virgo the Virgin).

Thus we have the ancient Egyptians of Africa acknowledging the Precession of the Equinoxes by building the Sphinx, one of the true wonders of the world, in honor of their civilization going from the Age of Virgo to the Age of Leo in 10,500 BC…certainly their “First Time.”

SHUQ'RAN AQIL, for posting this info.

I had it prepared as well, but I wanted our brother to escape his religious bias, and search for the info himself, instead of taking the lazy way out, and demanding that others do it for him.

Seeing has how he has yet to respond to this, I take it that the info that AQIL supplied here as satiated his insincere "thirst" for this knowledge, and subsequently this subject has been put to rest.

The Anu Kingdom of pre-dynastic Kemet rivals that of the Sumerian, and outdates that of the Biblical, by more than 10,000 years.

HOTEPU

Oh,
So now we're using white men and their claims and theories as legitimate references....great!

:wink: "The Arabs and Hebrews are liars...but white men will alway stir you right!"

Thank you brother for correcting this mis-educated soul if were to study the history of Our Ancient Kemetic people he would know that our history Pre-dates the Bible.

Hotep!

Nat Turner

Thank you brother for correcting this mis-educated soul if were to study the history of Our Ancient Kemetic people he would know that our history Pre-dates the Bible
What do you mean "our" history...

What have YOU done besides take the name of one of our greatest AfroAmerican warriors?

Him and the Egyptians would probably take turns spitting on some slave who still works for his white enemy while donning a noble name.

Is There something wrong with me identifying with the history of Our Ancestors of Kemet who you call the Egyptians are you working for the "white enemy" as you put it. I thought I was commenting you on your post but it seems we as Africans in America take offense at one another just out of sheer conditioned minds. When I hear those who would rather cling to the bible as though it is history, with out going any further to investigate truths or the truth it really saddens my heart because it plays into the role of an enslaved mind.

Is There something wrong with me identifying with the history of Our Ancestors of Kemet who you call the Egyptians are you working for the "white enemy" as you put it. I thought I was commenting you on your post but it seems we as Africans in America take offense at one another just out of sheer conditioned minds. When I hear those who would rather cling to the bible as though it is history, with out going any further to investigate truths or the truth it really saddens my heart because it plays into the role of an enslaved mind.

True indeed, my brother.

HOTEPU

Nat Turner

Respect


Is There something wrong with me identifying with the history of Our Ancestors of Kemet who you call the Egyptians are you working for the "white enemy" as you put it. I thought I was commenting you on your post but it seems we as Africans in America take offense at one another just out of sheer conditioned minds. When I hear those who would rather cling to the bible as though it is history, with out going any further to investigate truths or the truth it really saddens my heart because it plays into the role of an enslaved mind.

Let me first suggest that you use a little more discretion with people you don't know and just met instead of calling them "lost souls".


Now, I recognize there are many errors in the bible as well as other religious scripture, but many of them have proven themselves to be more valuable and reliable than just making up history off the top of your head or going along with romantic mythology with shaky MODERN foundation.

Perhaps they may have been believing in a universal lie, but for thousands of years going back into the biblical times most learned men have doubted that our existance on this planet went past 5000 B.C.

Most tell the same story of man being created by God/gods within the 6000 to 4000 B.C. range.

Now you have scientist and archeologist...and many other's who are now jumping on the band-wagon for religious reasons...declaring that man is MILLIONS of years old or that we've always existed.

How can we today, now thousands of years removed from the event...be better informed of when and where humanity began than our ancestors who were closer to creation?

Again, pure spectulation and romatic mythology.

Nat Turner

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Let me first suggest that you use a little more discretion with people you don't know and just met instead of calling them "lost souls".



Not to enter this discussion, as my perspective on this is already known, and I'm not being addressed here........

But I find the "lost souls" thing a bit interesting, since you called me that when I first got here more than once, and you hardly knew me (and still don't).

Just a small piece of irony, that I thought I'd point out.

Have a great day!!

PEACE

If you will Can you please check this site out wblr.com and on that site you can link to a site called theafrikanvillage its either .net or .org I cant recall at the moment but it will give you a little insight at what Im trying to get at. And on another note my deepest apologies if I may have offended you that was not my intentions, my goal is, as a Student of African spirituality is to spread what I am learning to as many of my African Brothers and Sisters as I can becuase of the mis-education that has been imposed on our people, sometimes you will have those that can Articulate a matter very well and will have Some knowledge about our ancestors but not the complete (not saying you) but some. There is a powerful book out there Im pretty sure you've heard of it by Anthony T. Browder called The Nile Valley Contributions To Civilization a powerful work of art, infact this book should be taught in Schools to all not just African americans but all students.

Hotep

Not to enter this discussion, as my perspective on this is already known, and I'm not being addressed here........

But I find the "lost souls" thing a bit interesting, since you called me that when I first got here more than once, and you hardly knew me (and still don't).

Just a small piece of irony, that I thought I'd point out.

Have a great day!!

PEACE


Ralf has called non-muslims worst than that. :laugh:

Sam

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But I find the "lost souls" thing a bit interesting, since you called me that when I first got here more than once, and you hardly knew me (and still don't).

Just a small piece of irony, that I thought I'd point out.

Man I ain't never called you a "lost soul"...I don't even use that type of terminology.

:laugh: I may have suggested that you were a pagan...or heathen...but never a "lost soul".





Nat

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If you will Can you please check this site out wblr.com and on that site you can link to a site called theafrikanvillage its either .net or .org I cant recall at the moment but it will give you a little insight at what Im trying to get at. And on another note my deepest apologies if I may have offended you that was not my intentions, my goal is, as a Student of African spirituality is to spread what I am learning to as many of my African Brothers and Sisters as I can becuase of the mis-education that has been imposed on our people, sometimes you will have those that can Articulate a matter very well and will have Some knowledge about our ancestors but not the complete (not saying you) but some. There is a powerful book out there Im pretty sure you've heard of it by Anthony T. Browder called The Nile Valley Contributions To Civilization a powerful work of art, infact this book should be taught in Schools to all not just African americans but all students.

Apologies accepted and no harm done.
But we should (myself included) make sure that what we were are spreading ITSELF is true and factual, less we do the same thing our enemy has done and mislead our own people giving them a false history.

Do you agree with me that African civilization began in North Eastern Africa in the Egyptian/Ethiopian region and that's were all black people have their origins?

Nat Turner

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Let me first suggest that you use a little more discretion with people you don't know and just met instead of calling them "lost souls".


Now, I recognize there are many errors in the bible as well as other religious scripture, but many of them have proven themselves to be more valuable and reliable than just making up history off the top of your head or going along with romantic mythology with shaky MODERN foundation.

Perhaps they may have been believing in a universal lie, but for thousands of years going back into the biblical times most learned men have doubted that our existance on this planet went past 5000 B.C.

Most tell the same story of man being created by God/gods within the 6000 to 4000 B.C. range.

Now you have scientist and archeologist...and many other's who are now jumping on the band-wagon for religious reasons...declaring that man is MILLIONS of years old or that we've always existed.

How can we today, now thousands of years removed from the event...be better informed of when and where humanity began than our ancestors who were closer to creation?

Again, pure spectulation and romatic mythology.


- Pardon me, but this is all you have done since your birth here & continue to do!!

- by the way brotha Nat Turner was agreeing with you in his initial statement and you didn't see that & attacked him in your reply. He even said in his response that he thought he was "commending" YOU in your attempt to spread knowledge on the discussion when he first entered....

Infomoetry

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- Pardon me, but this is all you have done since your birth here & continue to do!!
You're pardoned....as long as you don't make those false accusations again.



- by the way brotha Nat Turner was agreeing with you in his initial statement and you didn't see that & attacked him in your reply. He even said in his response that he thought he was "commending" YOU in your attempt to spread knowledge on the discussion when he first entered....
I too was puzzled by his last response when he said he was commending me.

But he didn't use any specific names in reference to who he was commending and who the mid-educated soul was, he just said that the mis-educated soul needs to be told that our history pre-dates the bible.

NAT, I suppose this is the closest you're going to get to an apology from this brother. :rolleyes:

Anyways, your e-mail is logged; expect a communication from me soon.

HOTEPU

There is ABSOLUTLY NO documented evidence of history going back past 10,000 years.

You couldn't find any concrete and verifiable evidence to disprove this to save your own life.

If you read Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Ethiopian, Etruscan, Hebrew, Sumerian, Indus Valley, Chinese history both written and oral...they all start recording thier existance AFTER 4000 B.C.

There is no written documentation of geneology or civilization going back beyond this point, therefore you can't prove it.





These finding are confusing because every time paleontogist uncover bones or skulls of our Ancient Nubian / Black / Negroid Ancestors , Which is proof of the Nubians people being the Oldest people on this planet ,The Curse Seed Of Canaan The Caucasian will Hide these discoveries . This is done because these bones will prove that Nubians were the first beings or the oldest beings , That were closest to God , Having a Genetic Tie To God . This is what they didn't what to believe , That Nubians were the Closest to God , That we were the first to '' LEAVE '' God making usthe oldest and the nearest to God. So every time this evidence would be hidden . God would make another proof appear .

For example , paleontologists have found the 3 1/2 million year old bone of Lucy in '' Kenya Africa in the year 1974 A.D. This they tried to hide and deny that they were the oldest and of Nubains decent . In 2000 A.D. French and Kenya Scientist found what they are calling The '' Millennium Man '' . Bones That date back to 1.5 Million years ago found in the Tugen Hills of Kenya's Baringo district . I would like to point out what one of these researchers said in reference to the bones . taken from The U.S.A. Today Newspaper Dated 12/5/00 A,D, And I quote from Paleontologist Martin Pickford , '' Is is at least 6 million years old , which means it is older than the ( Previously oldest remains found at Aramis in Ethiopia ,

Which were 4.5 million years old '' . Then there was another finding of a 3.5 million year old skull in Kenya africa along the shores of Lake Turkana in the year 1998-99 A.D. By Researchers from The National Museum Of Kenya . '' So you can see it is very clear who thefirst people on this Planet wereandwho the children of God are ( Psalms 82;6 ) The Nubains . I would liketo point out again that these Ancient Bones are from A Nubian Woman not a man ! This is not Racism , these are just the facts, Article From U.S.A. Today Dated 12/5/00 A.D. States '' Scientists Have Discovered The 1.5 Million Years Old Remains Of '' Millenium '' Man '' . This Is Further Proof That The Biblical Concept Of Beginning Is Much Older Than The Religious Scholars Say It Is .


Article From Philadelphia Inquirer , March 22,2001 A.D. Entitled ; '' Is Skull From New Human Ancestor ? '' The 3.5 Million Year Old Fossil From Kenya Appears To Be A Completely Different And Previously Unknown Species . This ties into The Sumerian Doctrine Where human were Originally Cloned from A Single Female. That's why the word '' Promate '' Is used to Describe the Early Beast Man . They Won't tell you that the word '' Primate '' means '' Before Mating '' Or Before '' Copulation . '' Because they would be admitting that humans were being Genetically Bred without The use of Sexual Intercours . Test Tube Babies , or Lab - Children before they were reproducing Sexually on their own . Like Adam and Eve , We made them , and by we , I mean Eloheem

, Nubians , The Sumerians Call Us Anunnaqi . And The Egiptians call Us Neteru . We Created The Red Man In The Image And After The Likeness Of Ourselves . The Nubians , The Original God Man . They are children of The Eloheem . But became evil and wicked ( Genesis 6;5-6 ) and that made us sad and we had to repent to the Yahwehans . Our Lord . But we only worship Elyon El . However , Scientist Haven't Said Much About It Because They Don't Have A Clue As to how these so-called primitive people had knowledge of Technology .
For Instance . Most of the diseases That the Nubains have today are from Mixing Their Seed With The Caucasoids , The Curse Seed Of Canaan . Who Are The Sons And Daughter Of Al - Khannaas is Arabic fot '' The Whisperer . Is The Same Word Nakash , In Aramic / Hebrew as found in Genesis 3;1 under The word Serpent . Khannaas , Son Of Shakhar and Mylitta , Was From The Seed Of The Deptilian Species AndWas Orginally From Titon ( Saturn . )


There are five major classes of Cherubeems . Jinns
1. Jaann . Vice-naster of the Jinn , Or Malevolent Cherubeem , The are beings from Al Debaran , Located In The Taurus Constellation . They incite you with music and pleasure seeking = ( Hard Rock ) .
2 . Jinnyya . Female Malevolent Beings . Cherubeem - Jinns , Seductresses, Whores , Witches , And the like .
3 . Shaytaan . This is the physical race of Malevolent Being , Jinns ; White Race .
4 . Maarid . This is the most powerful race of The Malevlent Beings . These Beings are also called Greys .
5. Ifriyt . A class of Malevolent Beings - Jinns , That are giant and very powerful , They are also called Reptilians . ( John 8 ;44 ) .


Most of the diseases That the Nubains have today are from Mixing Their Seed With The Caucasoids , The Curse Seed Of Canaan . Who Are The Sons And Daughter Devil Genesis 3;15 . Who Were haveing sex with the dogs in the caves and having Dogs Licking Their Sorse , ( Luke 16;21 ) , Which produced Man's Disesase such as Syphilis , Gonorrhea , Herpes and the likes . Whatever knowledge of Medicine thay have today are from the medical of Ancient Egipt .
Med - A -Sin ... The Thomas Nelson Publisher Located In Nashville Tenn . In Your King James Study Bible Which Was Edited By A Team Of Thirteen Editors . Amony Them Jerry Falwell D.D. D. Litt ,. L.L.D. Who is the leader of The Moral Majhority . On Page 24 Under Curse Be Canaan .


Its States And I Quote ( And Make Note These Are White People Saying This ) '' Canaanites Were White , In No Way Is This To Be Interpreted As A Curse On The Black Race . '' Practiced Ritual Prostitution , Homosexuality And Various Orgiastic Rites , And Let Me Add , They Are The Mother And Father Of Perversion And Beastiality And According To Deuteronomy 27;21 , It States And I Quote, '' Cursed Be He That Lieth With Any Manner Of Beast , And All The People Shall Say . Amen
Jesus Said In John 8; 44 And I Quore '' Ye Are Of Your Father The Devil , And The Lust Of Your Father Ye Will Do .. Also Refer To Psalms 81;12 , Proverbs 6;25 And 1Thessalonians4;5 ) .


How Did The Curse Euro-American Man Receive This Advanced Knowledge ?
Knowledge of this information came out in Europe during the age of enlightement ( light ) . Which is a time period when Europeans were discovering vast knowledge of the world .Europeans are good at taking other people's information and claiming it as their own . When you go back into the history of the The Curse Seed of the Canaanite and his Ancestry . They Really Don't Know Where They Came From . There is a huge gap in their history and suddenly they just acquired knowledge about Science . Medicine , Mathematics , Laws , Art , Music Etc , Where they had none .

The Europeans did not step out of the '' Dark ages'' until the greeks began to visit egipt to steal the wisdom that . The Mizramites had recorded . To bring it back to the greeks . The following maps clearly idenify the Europeans Curse Seed Of The Caucasian Migration . In spite of their tireless efforts to cover up the truth of the origin of life and the original people . It stills stand that the Genetic Superiority of the Nubians . By itself . Is Evidence of his originality and the genetic inferiority of all other races proves that they . THE EUROPEAN ARE MUTANTS .THEY WERE LIVEING IN WHAT ISCALLED THE DARK AGES WHICH IS THE TIME OF THE UNKNOWN. THE CURSE SEED OF CANAANITES WERE UP IN CAVES DYING FROM ALL KINDS OF OF DISEASES . Joshua 10;24 , Job 12;23-25 , and Job 30;3-8 ,


States that these Curse seed of Canaan lived in Caves . The black plague was just one of the diseases before they had leprosy .All from their lack of Cleanliness from beastly sexual acts with Animals . ( What Is The Black Plague? ) . The black plague , also knowns as The Bubonic Plague . Is A disease where in most caese , Death occurs two or three days after the first appearance of The Various Symptoms . In primary Septicemic plague , The victim has a sudden onset of high fever and several hours later turns deep purple , often dying within the same day The Symptoms first develop .

The purple color . Which appears in all plague victims during their last hours . Is due to respiratory failure . The popular name , '' Black Death , '' That is applied to the disease . Is derived from this symtom . It should have been called THE WHITE PLAGUE being it was WHITE PEOPLE WHO CAUGHT AND SPREAD THE DISEASE AND DIED FROM IT BY IT IN EUROPE . AGAIN THEY CAN SAY THINGS LIKE THAT AND ACCEPT IT AS NOT RACIST


A TRAGEDY LIKE BLACK FRIDAY . BECAUSE THE STOCK MARKET CRASHED , BLACK MAGIE , BLACK BALLING PEOPLE ,MEANING UN-ACCEPTED AND DON'T SEE THAT AS RACIS. YOU DO SOME IN-DEPTH RESEARCH AND FIND OUT THE TRUTH AND START TO PRINT IT , YOU ARE A RACIST .THIS THREAD / POST IS NOT BASED ON RACISAM , IT IS BASED ON FACTS . DON'T BELIEVE ME CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF IF YOU DARE .


This is exactly why historians don't spend hours lecturing about the origin of The Curse Seed Of The Caaucasians . During this period of time , while inside the caves ,They lost their memory . This disease , The Black Plague , Actually made them go crazy because the disease also attcked their brains , This mean that all the knowldge that the curse seed of the caucasoids Stole From Alexandria , Egipt . From The Islmic Moors , Sumerians Akkadians , Who wre all Nubians was forgotten . They totally went through an Entire Gap In Their History Where They Had No Idea What Happened .

So They Began To Create Stories , Such As '' King Henry , King Arthur , Robin Hood , The Knight Of The Round Table . And The Three Musketeers , '' And the list goes on and on . Thus , They Gave Themselves ( Europeans ) A History . And Had A List Of Potes Travel To Egipt And Morocco To Copy The History And Stories Of The Egiptian And Moroccans . They Claimed The Stories As Their Own So That They Would Have Place In History And Turned Those Stories Into European History .

For example , The City Of '' Troy '' . Which is In Greece , Was A Myth Until Someone Went There And Found The City . They Didn't Have Any Knowledge Of Jericho . Now They Have Found It And Have Discovered That The People Who Lived In Those Cities Were [ NOT ] The Curse Seed Of Canaan = The Caucasian People . The inhabitants were all Nubians .The Ancient Greeks Were Also Nubians / Blacks by way of Japheth , Who had A son named Javan . Who was the father of the greeks .

So The Europeans Wrote Their Own Story And In These Stories , They Made Egiptians Appear Not To Be Israelites . They Started Off With Adam , Down To Enoch . Then To Noah , And From There , The World Ended . This Happen Because They Don't Have Any History About What Took Place . Years Ago When The Vicars ( Priest ) Heard You Talking About Anything That Was Not In Latin Or In The Bible . THEY WOULD KILL YOU . DECAPITATE YOU . TORTURE YOU BURN YOU AT THE STAKE , Etc .

That is what happend to '' John Whycliffe . John Huss , And William Tyndale along with anyone else who wanted to put out A Bible oe even worse . A Biblein english . Many Women were put to death for teaching their children prayers . HowEver , getting back to the point on Diseases . If you look through The Scrolls Of Ancient Egipt . You don't have any record of them curing diseases . This is because the Egiptians had Accident , Wars , Surgeries ,Funerals , Etc , BUT NO DISEASES . [ THEY WERE STILL PURE IN THEIR GENES BEING UNMIXED UNTIL THE INVASION OF THE '' HYKSO ''


WHO WERE A MIXED SEED THAT TOOK OVER THE RULING THRONE OF EGIPT FOR 430YEARS . WHEN THE ORIGINAL SEED ROSE UP AND THREW THESE HARIBU , SOCALLED HEBREWOFF THE THRONE OF EGIPT AND CHASED THEM BACK ACROSS THE SANDS. REMEMBER EGIPT OR MIZRAIM IS A SON OF NOAH BY WAY OF HIS FATHER ''HAM SON OF NOAH , WHO WAS PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS .