The true religion is that which has always existed, which exists today, and will exist forever...

The word “astrology” is derived from two Greek words: “astra,” meaning a star, and “logos,” meaning logic or reason. It literally implies the doctrine and law as shown by the stars and planets. Astrology is the science that defines the actions of celestial bodies upon animate and inanimate objects, and their reactions to such influences. Incidentally, the word “disaster” means, “against the stars”...

Originally, all who studied the stars – including the prophets – were astrologers. The antiquity of astrology is such as to place it among the very earliest records of human learning. It is the parent of astronomy. At one time astrology and astronomy were one science, but now astronomy only deals with distances, magnitudes, masses, compositions, motions, speed, etc., and is founded upon observations made with various instruments...

Therefore, astronomy may be termed a purely objective science, concerned as it is with the outer expressions of the stars and planets, i.e., their form or body...while astrology may be considered a subjective science, dealing with the influences of life within the form and its effect upon surrounding bodies – the Earth and its inhabitants in particular – and so may properly be termed the study of life's reactions to planetary vibrations...

The scientific construction of a horoscope (The Creator’s plan for human development) is an astronomical process; it is the interpretation of the horoscope that is astrological...

All religions are but roads to the same Place. It is only when some people say, “My road is the only road” that the pathway to the Place becomes blocked. The divisions existing between the various roads have been created – to a large extent – by the mind of man, even though many of these roads have been truly divinely inspired...

These divisions have caused so much suffering – both on a personal and universal level – that it has become increasingly important for each of us to realize the essential Oneness of it all, no matter what one’s inherited religious dogma is...

The truth is, however, all dogma is false in The Absolute, for dogma attempts to encapsulate Infinity. What a given religion does is adapt an aspect of the One for the level of consciousness and socio-economic structure of a particular race at a given moment in eternity... No path is the True Path, for in The Absolute there is no “truthfulness” or “falsehood”; no “right” and no “wrong”; no “yes” and no “no”...

Yet what is mankind to do? We seek Light, and we need a doctrine to follow, even if it is one we make up ourselves. And somehow, in some vastly mysterious way, some Muslims, some Christians, some Jews, some Hindus, some Buddhists, and even some astrologers have found a connection to the One; have found some aspect of the Light – and exist in one degree or another in that Light...

Many people have found the cosmic science of astrology to be a Path that enriches their lives. They have found through its cosmic conceptions a wider and more tangible road than many others on which they have traveled. They have also found that it leads them to increasingly more profound knowledge and truth...

I do not in any way insist that this is the way it is, but rather the way certain events in life appear to be (to me). We must always endeavor to keep an open mind, however skeptical, for in the end we are alone – although definitely helped along as we go – until we merge with our Creator, the One Source of All Life...

Permit me to say, dear people, that no grander or more soul-enobling theme has ever been presented to the human intellect than the philosophy and language of the Heavens. It opens to our inspection an endless volume of sublime grandeur...

Whomever watches the beautiful planet Venus in her orbital march - with nothing except the philosophy of distance, time and motion to observe - will find a deep satisfaction beyond the mundane considerations of the materialistic life...

Unto him who reads the language of the Heavens, and catches the inspiration of her loftier melodies, there is a positive charm and enchantment which makes every star a divinity, and lights all space with prophetic wisdom...

It is the wise man who rules his stars, and the fool who blindly obeys them...

The heavenly bodies predispose and influence (or impel), but they do not compel...

The ancient African priest-astrologers knew that the angles planets make to each other in the Heavens cause effects and influences. The European priesthood of the Middle Ages, wishing to control the ignorant masses, personified the influences of planetary aspects and transposed the letters of the word “angle” to “angel,” and upon this deliberate act of mistransliteration, all the stupendous frauds of ecclesiasticism were built...

"Philosophy is written in this grand book - I mean the Universe - which stands open to our gaze, but it cannot be understood unless one first learns to comprehend the language and interpret the characters in which it is written. It is written in the language of mathematics, and its characters are circles, triangles, and other geometric figures, without which it is humanly impossible to understand a single word of it. Without these, one is wandering about in a dark labyrinth."

(Galileo Galilei - II Saggiatore 1623)

The Bible verifies the cosmic science of astrology. This verification can be found in Psalms 19:1-4, which reads:

“The Heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the Earth, and their words to the end of the world.”

"It is an inconsistency scarcely possible to be credited, that anything should exist - under the name of religion - that holds it to be irreligious to study and contemplate the structure of the Universe that God has made."

(Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason, Prometheus Books, 1984, pp. 47-48)

It is the wise man who rules his stars, and the fool who blindly obeys them...

The true religion is that which has always existed, which exists today, and will exist forever...

" The True religion is that which has always existed, wchich exists today, and will exist forever..."

That's just as real as is gets.

To deny the influence of the stars is to deny the Wisdom and Providence of God.

(Tycho Brahe)

When the Bible equated wisdom with the eye its an admission that wisdom first came through observing the stars.

^^^^5 AACOOLDRE...

The word “astrology” is derived from two Greek words: “astra,” meaning a star, and “logos,” meaning logic or reason. It literally implies the doctrine and law as shown by the stars and planets. Astrology is the science that defines the actions of celestial bodies upon animate and inanimate objects, and their reactions to such influences. Incidentally, the word “disaster” means, “against the stars.”

insane in the membrane!! :nuts:

Is this the same Aqil who used to post on BWP.com?

Yes it is...

Peace man.. I post there under 'ugorad".

See that u are keeping up the good work.

Peace

Thanks goraddy...glad you're aboard...

how can you say astrology is the true religion? well i guess you can say it's man made, but it's definitely not always true.

Astrology is the true religion because it has always existed...it exists today, and will exist forever. It comes from God...man discovered it...

The truth is, all dogma is false in The Absolute, for dogma attempts to encapsulate Infinity...

"My companions are stars; whomsoever any one of you follow, you will be rightly guided."

Prophet Muhammad (saw)

(Sunan of Baihaqi)

Originally, all who studied the stars – including the prophets – were astrologers. The antiquity of astrology is such as to place it among the very earliest records of human learning. It is the parent of astronomy. At one time astrology and astronomy were one science, but now astronomy only deals with distances, magnitudes, masses, compositions, motions, speed, etc., and is founded upon observations made with various instruments...

Many people have found the cosmic science of astrology to be a Path that enriches their lives. They have found through its cosmic conceptions a wider and more tangible road than many others on which they have traveled. They have also found that it leads them to increasingly more profound knowledge and truth...

The ancient African priest/astrologers knew that the angles planets make to each other in the Heavens cause effects and influences. The European priesthood of the Middle Ages, wishing to control the ignorant masses, personified the influences of planetary aspects and transposed the letters of the word “angle” to “angel,” and upon this deliberate act of mistransliteration, all the stupendous frauds of ecclesiasticism were built...

i defenatly believe that when the creator started to develop his plan he must have been thought i can not make them all the same there must been a certain movement and karakertistic differents in them ...that would make it more interessting.....
and from my apinion if you believe in astro.....it is a form of religion..And its one yeah thats telling a lot of truth at times but i dont depent on it.or build on it .for example if some one comes up to me and says....you can not have a love life with an cancer..(watch me ...lol).than i tell this person thats up for god and me to dicide....I give it a place and have just mad respect on how the creator put it all together with the stars moon and planets ....

and hey agil can you imagine that ...you have an own Star planet named after you...........
I still dont understand why people look at me crazy when i say that there is a planet with mermaids......or horses with wings like the one on the backside of the prince Cover from his second album ""prince"" he is sitting on it i think naked that kind of horse..........
boy......do i wanna live forever.........
And i dont understand to that when i say i Believe in jezus.....
they look at me like i,m crazy to i dont know how it is over there in the states ...but here they imidiadly think you fly..............


and i do somethimes ...............to the stars.lol no i,m serius You wont believe what i see
just like Mr Jones...
liberty..

"It is an inconsistency scarcely possible to be credited, that anything should exist - under the name of religion - that holds it to be irreligious to study and contemplate the structure of the Universe that God has made."

(Thomas Paine, "The Age of Reason," Prometheus Books, 1984, pp. 47-48)

It has been historically contended that the zodiac was merely an invention of the ancient Chaldean and Egyptian priest-astrologers. Yet, when there exists around the celestial equator of the solar system a belt of twelve constellations, who can be said to have invented this zodiac belt but Allah (swt), The Creator of the Universe and Supreme Inventor of All Things Therein? The ancient Ethiopian, Chaldean and Egyptian priest-astrologers had only to observe the Heavens to discover it. Actually it is to the credit of these ancient African Wise Men – who observed and depicted the zodiac before the coming of written history (circa 3200 BC) – that all knowledge evolved...

The true word of God is His Creation...

I have paused to ask how one can deem astrology as a religion ? Astrology is simply the metaphysical side of astronomy. Both are a science developed by our ancestors thousands of years ago. The astrological table we have today is incorrect. The figueres have been changed and the original was never round. The oldest one can been seen in the temple of Denderah in Kemet (Egypt). One other thing...The present day word for Magic is science and this understanding will allow us to look back in time and understand that those they deemed as magicians were actually scientist on various levels.
All science by the way is the study of BLACKNESS...for melanin is black as is found in all things. They tell us that in the beginning was darkness (melanin). Even the word Chemistry is the study of blackness. Chem or Kem or Kemet was the name of Egypt. The word "istry" is the study of. When we put the two together we get Chem=black or land of the blacks, istry is "study". The greatest fear and mystery in science today is THE BLACK HOLE. We are told that outside the speed of thought, that the fastest thing in the world is the speed of light. I disagree, for surely darkness moves faster...physically and metaphysically. But we will get back to astrology later in my writings...I'm just seeking to take this one step at a time with everyone...But i just had to write you without offense intended.

One Luv
Keita Otiba Kenyatta

I have paused to ask how one can deem astrology as a religion? Astrology is simply the metaphysical side of astronomy.Insofar as astrology views cosmos, humans and nature as being reigned over and guided by powers and forces from beyond, astrology is religion. All the events in the cosmos and on Earth are linked together by an invisible magic bond. Only on the basis of this mysterious magical connection can astrology assume that the stars have something to do with the course of our lives, with our talents and weaknesses...

In this regard, astrology is related to the nature religions. These also assume that nature is inhabited and governed by magical powers, demons, and gods. Like the nature religions, astrology believes in a multitude of gods; it is polytheistic at its core. Each planet and sign of the zodiac is the expression of a particular god or demon. But astrology is also sometimes accepted by religions which know only one God, like Christianity and Islam. Then the many star-gods become angels and demons which are subordinated to the one God and, as such, understood as "instruments" of God...

Both are a science developed by our ancestors thousands of years ago.This is true.

The astrological tables we have today are incorrect. The figures have been changed and the original was never round. The oldest one can been seen in the temple of Denderah in Kemet (Egypt).I am aware of the ancient zodiac in the Temple of Denderah...I am unaware of the incorrect astrological tables...what figures were changed?

One other thing...The present-day word for magic is science, and this understanding will allow us to look back in time and understand that those they deemed as magicians were actually scientists on various levels.This is true.The astrologer avails himself of a force that he knows; the sorcerer seeks to misuse a force he does not understand. The astrologer is the sovereign pontiff of nature; the sorcerer is her profaner. An astronomer studies the stars and planets and interprets the measurements derived thereof. An astrologer studies the stars and planets and interprets the language derived thereof...

As the great mystic Zolar said, “Astrology and astronomy go hand in glove. Astronomy is the external, lifeless glove; astrology is the living hand within.”

Is Astrology A Religion?

"Your religion is where your love is." - Henry David Thoreau

"True religion has always pointed humanity the way, and astrology has always been on the side of the true religion, for it is a God-centered science. But when the established church weakly turned its back upon astrology at the behest of a debased science, it lost its strongest ally." - John Addey

"Astrology means different things to different people. It is variously regarded as a sacred historic tradition, a secret esoteric doctrine for initiates only, a science ruled by physical laws, a symbolic art/philosophy/religion, or superstitious entertainment." - Geoffrey Dean

"It is my thesis that astrology is a religion and has always been a religion. I suspect that, perhaps even unconsciously, many astrologers may believe that the 'word of God' is written in the horoscope, and what's more, that they can read the 'word of God' and convey to the client the precise nature of that word or destiny or fate. More specifically, I view the current revival of medieval astrology, with its array of impressive predictive techniques, as exhibiting all the hallmarks of a rapidly fundamentalist type of religion, hell-bent on dragging us back into the grim, fate-ridden ignorance of the Dark Ages!" - Candy Hillebrand

"Astrologers vary in their degree of dedication to, or disappointment with, organized religion - as do people of all professions, practices and philosophies." - J. Jacobs
"People who believe in astrology come to regard it as their religion because it is based on spiritual concepts. This is probably why mention of astrology tends to stir up fundamental controversy and why orthodox religions tend to be dead-set against it." - Richard Vaughan

"Philosophy is written in this grand book - I mean the Universe - which stands open to our gaze, but it cannot be understood unless one first learns to comprehend the language and interpret the characters in which it is written. It is written in the language of mathematics, and its characters are circles, triangles, and other geometric figures, without which it is humanly impossible to understand a single word of it. Without these, one is wandering about in a dark labyrinth."

(Galileo Galilei - II Saggiatore 1623)

The truth is, all dogma is false in The Absolute, for dogma attempts to encapsulate Infinity. What a given religion does is adapt an aspect of the One for the level of consciousness and socio-economic structure of a particular race at a given moment in eternity. No path is the True Path, for in The Absolute there is no “truthfulness” or “falsehood”; no “right” and no “wrong”; no “yes” and no “no”...

“Astrology and astronomy go hand in glove. Astronomy is the external, lifeless glove; astrology is the living hand within.”

(Zolar)

The word “astrology” is derived from two Greek words: “astra,” meaning a star, and “logos,” meaning logic or reason. It literally implies the doctrine and law as shown by the stars and planets. Astrology is the science that defines the actions of celestial bodies upon animate and inanimate objects, and their reactions to such influences...

Incidentally, the word “disaster” means, “against the stars.”

It has been historically contended that the zodiac was merely an invention of the ancient Chaldean and Egyptian priest-astrologers. Yet, when there exists around the celestial equator of the solar system a belt of twelve constellations, who can be said to have invented this zodiac belt but Allah (swt), The Creator of the Universe and Supreme Inventor of All Things Therein? The ancient Ethiopian, Chaldean and Egyptian priest-astrologers had only to observe the Heavens to discover it. Actually it is to the credit of these ancient African Wise Men – who observed and depicted the zodiac before the coming of written history (circa 3200 BC) – that all knowledge evolved...

Jer:10:2: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

Read my thread entitled, "The Bible and Astrology" for further clarification and edification. I quote the same verse from Jeremiah in it...:)

And insofar as astrology views the Cosmos, humans, and nature as being reigned over and guided by powers and forces from beyond, astrology is religion. All the events in the Cosmos and on Earth are linked together by an invisible magic bond. Only on the basis of this mysterious magical connection can astrology assume that the stars have something to do with the course of our lives, with our talents and weaknesses...

In this regard, astrology is related to the nature religions. These also assume that nature is inhabited and governed by magical powers, demons, and gods. Like the nature religions, astrology believes in a multitude of gods; it is polytheistic at its core. Each planet and sign of the zodiac is the expression of a particular god or demon. But astrology is also sometimes accepted by religions that know only One God, like Christianity and Islam. Then the many star-gods become angels and demons which are subordinated to the One God and, as such, understood as "instruments" of God...

The astrological tables we have today are incorrect. The figures have been changed and the original was never round. The oldest one can been seen in the temple of Denderah in Kemet (Egypt).I am aware of the ancient zodiac in the Temple of Denderah...I am unaware of the incorrect astrological tables...what figures were changed?

peace,

maybe I missed the whole point of debating, but my take is that u use your OWN mind and the knowledge YOU have aquired to further your point......If we only cut & paste the thoughts of others, what have we really learned for ourselves. NOTHING! all we have done is stroked our own ego's...

I beg of you and anyone who might view this, is not your knowledge sufficient for arguement? There are no winners and losers of any debate, this is not a contest! we are merely here to learn from EACH OTHER IN PEACE or we are no better than the demons who caused all of this foolishness with their methods of tricknology........we are sisters & brothers and like any family we can disagree or better yet agree to disagree as I HAVE with many on this site, but not for one instance did I think that they were my enemy or part of my universal family no matter what faith they claim.

Let us continue in tune with the cosmos and in harmony with the universe for we are the answers to all of our questions qu'ranic, biblical or otherwise!

a muslim constanly quoting biblical verses might tell one that Islam was born from christianity.........

a christian putting down the qu'ran migh tell one that Islam is really what he/she has really been looking for on a subconcious level that they don't overstand.............

I love u all ......... no matter what has been said....we r family and our ?'s will not be answered until we become 1 again. which is why in the streets brothers say 1 when they leave each other.

Everyone debating in these forums has knowledge, yet we have not found away to come together in harmony, why is that if we have so much knowledge (power)...because we are disconnected from the source (el)//////

Our clocks won't work if they are not plugged in.............
our watches don't work if the battery is dead..........
we can't cook our food properly if the oven has a short......

we are disconnected from our roots no matter what U BELIEVE IN it all started at the same point...........& the only way to re-connect is with our unity....

I'm not saying to stop debating, but let's make sure it's a healthy debate....(I am guilty also in case u are wondering) but I feel the need to 1 myself right now for we are getting off course.........sorry for being so long-winded, but it's the energy surrounding me right now!

as always respect to all.........I may disagree with one's points or answers, but I am an agreeable elohim.............!

my fam....peace!

That part of the Universe that is called the solar system (meaning the system of worlds to which our Earth belongs, and of which the Sun is the center) consists of ten celestial bodies, besides the secondary bodies - called satellites, or moons - of which our Earth has one that attends her in her annual revolution around the Sun.
The Sun is the center around which nine planets revolve at different distances from it, and in circles concentric to each other. Each planet keeps constantly in nearly the same orbit round the Sun, and continues at the same time turning around itself - in nearly an upright position - as a top turns around itself when it is spinning on the ground, and leans a little sideways.

It is this leaning of the Earth that occasions summer and winter, and the different length of days and nights. If the Earth turned around itself in a position perpendicular to the plane or level of the circle it moves in around the Sun - as a top turns round when it stands erect on the ground - the days and nights would always be of the same length, twelve hours of day and twelve hours of night, and the seasons would be uniformly the same throughout the year.

Every time a planet (our Earth for example) turns around itself, it makes what we call day and night; and every time it goes entirely around the Sun, it makes what we call a year. Consequently, our Earth turns 365 times around itself, in going once in its orbit around the Sun.

The names that the ancients gave to those nine planets - which are still called by the same names - are Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were discovered much later). They appear larger to the eye than the stars, being many million miles nearer to Earth than any of the stars are. The planet Venus is that which is called the "evening star," and sometimes the "morning star," as she happens to set after, or rise before the Sun, which in either case is never more than three hours.

The planet nearest the Sun is Mercury; his distance from the Sun is 36 million miles, and he moves around in an orbit that is always at that distance from the Sun. The second planet is Venus; she is 67 million miles from the Sun, and consequently moves round it in an orbit much greater than that of Mercury. Earth is the third planet; she is 93 million miles from the Sun, and consequently moves around it in an orbit greater than that of Venus. The fourth planet is Mars; he is 141 million miles from the Sun, and consequently moves around it in an orbit greater than that of our Earth. The fifth is Jupiter; he is 483 million miles from the Sun, and consequently moves around it in a orbit greater than that of Mars.

The sixth planet is Saturn; he is 888 million miles from the Sun, and consequently moves around it in an orbit greater than that of Jupiter. The seventh planet is Uranus; he is 1,784 million miles from the Sun, and consequently moves around it in an orbit greater than that of Saturn. The eighth planet Neptune; he is 2,799 million miles from the Sun, and consequently moves around it in an orbit greater than that of Uranus.

The farthest planet from the Sun is Pluto; he is 3,674 million miles from it, and consequently moves round it in an orbit that surrounds the orbits of all the other planets, their moons and asteroids. Because Pluto's orbit is quite elliptical in shape, at times he travels closer to the Sun than Neptune. This was the case from January 1979 through February 1999, when Neptune was the farthest planet from the Sun.

But this, immense as it is, is only one system of worlds. Beyond this, at a vast distance into space - far beyond all power of calculation - are the fixed stars. They are called fixed because they have no revolutionary motion. The fixed stars continue always at the same distance from each other, and always in the same place, as the Sun does in the center of our system.

Our ideas, not only of the almightiness of the Creator, but of His wisdom and His beneficence, become enlarged in proportion as we contemplate the extent and the structure of the Universe. We see our own Earth filled with abundance; but we forget to consider how much of that abundance is owing to the scientific knowledge that the vast machinery of the Universe has unfolded...

The days of the week were named after the Sun, Moon, and planets of the solar system and their corresponding mythological gods. For example, Sunday is derived from “the Sun’s Day”; Monday: “the Moon’s Day”; Tuesday: from “Tiu’s Day,” the pagan god of war corresponding to the planet Mars; Wednesday: from “Wotan’s Day,” the pagan king of the gods corresponding to the planet Mercury; Thursday: from “Thor’s Day,” the god of thunder corresponding to Jupiter; Friday: from “Freya’s Day,” the goddess of peace corresponding to Venus; and Saturday: from “Saturn’s Day,” the ancient Roman god of time...

The original names of July and August were “Quintilis” and “Sextilis.” Quintilis means “fifth month” in Latin, and Sextilis means “sixth month.” July was the fifth month because the New Year began in March, on the first day of spring. In this natural order the months September, October, November and December – or the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months – are synchronized, both in name and number. For example, September is derived from the Latin "septem," meaning "seven"; October is derived from the Latin "octo," meaning "eight"; November is derived from the Latin "novem," meaning "nine"; and December is derived from the Latin "decem," meaning "ten."

The Roman Emperors Julius and Augustus Caesar renamed the fifth and sixth months “Julio” and “Augustus,” which became July and August and the 7th and 8th months when the Gregorian calendar was adopted in 1582...

The astrologer avails himself of a force that he knows; the sorcerer seeks to misuse a force he does not understand. The astrologer is the sovereign pontiff of nature; the sorcerer is her profaner...

An astronomer studies the stars and planets and interprets the measurements derived thereof. An astrologer studies the stars and planets and interprets the language derived thereof...

“Astrology and astronomy go hand in glove. Astronomy is the external, lifeless glove; astrology is the living hand within.” (Zolar)

Hello Brother Aqil!

While searching the net this morning, I came across this very interesting site. It talks about the birth of earth and uses the epics of creation as its guides. I wasn't sure if you was familiar with these concepts. It makes an interesting read. It consist of about 4 pages and the information keeps you interested. Below is the link.


http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=Nudimmud&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D3 85c2514e5dc3ab4%26clickedItemRank%3D3%26userQuery% 3DNudimmud%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fw ww.strayreality.com%252FLanis_Strayreality%252Fbir th_of_earth.htm%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPToolbarNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.strayreality.com%2FLan is_Strayreality%2Fbirth_of_earth.htm

Hello Brother Aqil!

While searching the net this morning, I came across this very interesting site. It talks about the birth of earth and uses the epics of creation as its guides. I wasn't sure if you was familiar with these concepts. It makes an interesting read. It consist of about 4 pages and the information keeps you interested. Below is the link.


http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=Nudimmud&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D3 85c2514e5dc3ab4%26clickedItemRank%3D3%26userQuery% 3DNudimmud%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fw ww.strayreality.com%252FLanis_Strayreality%252Fbir th_of_earth.htm%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPToolbarNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.strayreality.com%2FLan is_Strayreality%2Fbirth_of_earth.htm


Awwwwwwwwww Man < PurpleMoons > I'm writeing A thread on The Epic Of Creation And Befoe . You beat me to the punch Grrrrrrrrrr < smileing > O Well .

Thanks again, Purple...an interesting website indeed!

One can say that astrology strives toward a synthesis between science, personal experience and religion, which indeed makes it difficult for scientists with strict standards to recognize astrology as a science as well.

But it must be said that astrology is here and is being practiced worldwide. At some universities in South America, Asia and Africa (e.g., in Cairo) - and also at the University of Riga in Latvia - astrology is taught. This is certainly because its importance in the history of religions - including the history of Christianity - is just now being discovered. Apart from its often-criticized practical application, its religious/historical meaning is certainly great enough to be dealt with in the context of religious studies. On this, the classical philologist Franz Boll expresses himself concerning the historical importance of astrology thusly:

"The most important thing about the history of astrology is that it shows the connections of peoples with a clarity and irrefutability as are hardly to be exposed anywhere else. Perhaps in it alone have East and West, Christians, Muslims and Buddhists understood one another without difficulty." And from others re: astrology and religion:

"True religion has always pointed humanity the way, and astrology has always been on the side of the true religion, for it is a God-centered science. But when the established church weakly turned its back upon astrology at the behest of a debased science, it lost its strongest ally." (John Addey)

"Astrology means different things to different people. It is variously regarded as a sacred historic tradition, a secret esoteric doctrine for initiates only, a science ruled by physical laws, a symbolic art/philosophy/religion, or superstitious entertainment." (Geoffrey Dean)

"It is my thesis that astrology is a religion and has always been a religion. I suspect that, perhaps even unconsciously, many astrologers may believe that the 'word of God' is written in the horoscope, and what's more, that they can read the 'word of God' and convey to the client the precise nature of that word or destiny or fate. More specifically, I view the current revival of medieval astrology, with its array of impressive predictive techniques, as exhibiting all the hallmarks of a rapidly fundamentalist type of religion, hell-bent on dragging us back into the grim, fate-ridden ignorance of the Dark Ages!" (Candy Hillebrand)

"Astrologers vary in their degree of dedication to, or disappointment with, organized religion - as do people of all professions, practices and philosophies." (J. Jacobs)
"People who believe in astrology come to regard it as their religion because it is based on spiritual concepts. This is probably why mention of astrology tends to stir up fundamental controversy...and why orthodox religions tend to be dead-set against it." (Richard Vaughan)

This is an awesome thread....Shuq'ran for posting this, AQIL.

PEACE

Afwan, aqi...

Ma Salaam.

"It is an inconsistency scarcely possible to be credited, that anything should exist - under the name of religion - that holds it to be irreligious to study and contemplate the structure of the Universe that God has made."

(Thomas Paine)

"To deny the influence of the stars is to deny the Wisdom and Providence of God."

(Tycho Brahe)

"To deny the influence of the stars is to deny the Wisdom and Providence of God."

(Tycho Brahe)


Well said brotha!

"Philosophy is written in this grand book - I mean the Universe - which stands open to our gaze, but it cannot be understood unless one first learns to comprehend the language and interpret the characters in which it is written. It is written in the language of mathematics, and its characters are circles, triangles, and other geometric figures, without which it is humanly impossible to understand a single word of it. Without these, one is wandering about in a dark labyrinth."

(Galileo Galilei - II Saggiatore 1623)

The 19th Psalm reads as follows:

“The Heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the Earth, and their words to the end of the world.”

Here is the 19th Psalm as paraphrased into English prose by Joseph Addison:

“The spacious firmament on high,
with all the blue, ethereal sky.
And spangled heavens, a shining frame,
their great original proclaim.

The unwearied Sun, from day to day,
does His Creator's power display;
And publishes to every land,
the work of an Almighty hand.

Soon as the evening shades prevail,
the Moon takes up the wondrous tale.
And nightly to the listening Earth,
repeats the story of her birth.

While all the stars that around her burn,
and all the planets, in their turn,
confirm the tidings as they roll,
and spread the truth from pole to pole.

What, though in solemn silence all,
move around this dark terrestrial ball?
What, though no real voice or sound,
amidst their radiant orbs be found?

In reason's ear they all rejoice,
and utter forth a glorious voice.
Forever singing, as they shine,
the hand that made us is Divine...”

The Specific Word of GOD overrides all.

Jer 10:
1: Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3: For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4: They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5: They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
6: Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might

You have quoted the words of Jeremiah, who was a priest from Anathoth in the territory of the Benjamin tribe. His name means, "whom Jehovah has appointed." Here is some history:

The world of Jeremiah's time was full of wars as new empires conquered the old ones. The tiny kingdom of Judah was caught in the middle, and during Jeremiah's lifetime. Babylonia conquered Judah and ended its freedom as a nation. Jeremiah began bringing the Lord's message to the people of Judah when he was young, possibly less than 20 years old. He continued until 586 BC, when the Babylonians captured Jerusalem. Some of the people of Judah soon forced him to go with them to Egypt, where he continued to speak to them for the Lord.

Many of Jeremiah's messages include the date when they were originally spoken. But when his friend Baruch helped him put the messages into writing, they did not arrange the messages by these dates. Usually the messages are grouped together because they are about similar subjects. Jeremiah acted out many of his messages, so that the people would know exactly what the Lord was saying. Time after time Jeremiah said God was going to punish Judah. But because he also said the people of Judah should surrender to the Babylonians, his enemies accused him of being a traitor. They had thrown him in prison and even tried to have him killed. Jeremiah complained to God about his problems, and these complaints are now known as his "Confessions." Jeremiah often reminded the people of Judah that they had broken their agreement to worship only the Lord. And so the Lord was going to punish them by letting the Babylonians take them away to Babylon. But the Lord had also promised to bring his people back to their land someday, and at that time the Lord would make a new agreement with them.

Here is Jeremiah 10:1-10, under the heading, "The Lord Talks About Idols." (I have bolded the quote you proffered):

"The Lord said: Listen to me, you people of Israel. Don't follow the customs of those nations who become frightened when they see something strange happen in the sky. Their religion is worthless! They chop down a tree, carve the wood into an idol, cover it with silver and gold, and then nail it down so it won't fall over. An idol is no better than a scarecrow. It can't speak, and it has to be carried, because it can't walk. Why worship an idol that can't help or harm you?"

Jeremiah Praises the Lord

"Our Lord, great and powerful you alone are God. You are King of the nations. Everyone should worship you. No human anywhere on Earth is wiser than you. Idols are worthless, and anyone who worships them is a fool! Idols are made by humans. A carver shapes the wood; a metalworker hammers out a covering of gold from Uphaz or silver from Tarshish. Then the idol is dressed in blue and purple clothes. You, Lord, are the only true and living God. You will rule for all time. When you are angry the earth shakes, and nations are destroyed."

(Jeremiah 10:1-10, KJV, Contemporary English Version)

Aqil, wonderful post, I am learning so much from all of my brothers & sisters here. Keep up the good work! Like Bro. Info said, we are all here to learn from each other & debating is a wonderful thing because it brings out much knowlege from each of us. Thanks to all who brings so much knowlege for all to learn. Peace!

Thank you Sister nefretiti. Learn all you can, because education is our only salvation...

"Thus saith the Lord: Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of Heaven (the signs of the zodiac); for the heathen are dismayed at them." (Jeremiah 10:2)

The word "heathen" is the plural of the Hebrew word, goyum. At first the word goyim denoted generally all the nations of the world (Genesis 18:18). The Jews afterwards became a people distinguished in a marked manner from the other goyim. They were a separate people (Leviticus 20:23; 26:14-45; Deuteronomy ch. 28), and the other nations - the Amorites, Hittites, etc. - were the goyim; the "heathen," with whom the Jews were forbidden to be associated in any way (Joshua 23:7; 1 Kings 11:2).

The practice of idolatry was the characteristic of these nations, and hence the word came to designate idolaters (Psalms 106:47; Jeremiah 46:28; Lamentations 1:3; Isaiah 36:18), and the wicked (Psalms 9:5,15,17).

The corresponding Greek word in the New Testament, ethne, has similar shades of meaning. In Acts 22:21 and Galatians 3:14, it denotes the people of the Earth generally, and in Matthew 6:7, an idolater. In modern usage the word denotes all nations that are strangers to revealed religion.

Aqil, what books on astronomy / astrology would you recommend for the novice?

Peace Chucky:

THE ASTROLOGER'S HANDBOOK, Frances Sakoian & Louis Acker, Harper & Row Publishers, Inc.

Astrology is the true religion because it has always existed...it exists today, and will exist forever. It comes from God...man discovered it.

This is an awesome thread.
Thank you.

You're quite welcome, nubienne...

You're quite welcome, nubienne...

Brother Aqil:

First of all, Salaam.

Secondly, I was wondering - can you do a thread on the Base-ics of Astrology, or in your next post, compile all of the threads/teachings that you have already done on this subject? I think that one of the reasons why we don't know too much about a certain subject, is because we skip the base-ics, and head straight for available information. For instance, I have heard that some of the Bible was made up of lies, but have not been able to access the Base-ics of the origin-al Bible.

Can you do that for me?

CD

Salaam CD:

Much of what you are seeking is in my astrology forum...

Salaam CD:

Much of what you are seeking is in my astrology forum...

...And that would be found in your column(s)?

CD

Yes...in the threads and posts therein...

Astrology is the true religion because it has always existed...it exists today, and will exist forever. It comes from God...man discovered it.


I must agree with this fundamental truth, and it has taken a while for me to view astrology as a religion but i can no longer even question the validity of your statement. I also am comforted to KNOW that when I follow some basic insights obtained through the study of astrology that my life has become much less complicated because i have resigned myself to the fact that there are just some personality types that are "fixed" while others are "mutable" . This forum is a wealth of relevant information. :teach:

Shukran aqi...jazaku'lah.

No grander or more soul-enobling theme has ever been presented to the human intellect than the philosophy and language of the Heavens. It opens to our inspection an endless volume of sublime grandeur.

Whomever watches the beautiful planet Venus in her orbital march - with nothing except the philosophy of distance, time and motion to observe - will find a deep satisfaction beyond the mundane considerations of the materialistic life.

Unto him who reads the language of the Heavens, and catches the inspiration of her loftier melodies, there is a positive charm and enchantment which makes every star a divinity, and lights all space with prophetic wisdom.

The heavenly bodies predispose and influence (or impel), but they do not compel.

It is the wise man who rules his stars, and the fool who blindly obeys them...

Ma Salaam

In 1943, the famous psychic Edgar Cayce, speaking during a trance reading, stated that Jesus Christ himself studied astrology (along with other mystic arts and occult sciences) during sojourns in Egypt, Persia and India. A revered 2nd century Gnostic-Christian document, "The First Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ," gives the following account of Jesus’ astrological expertise:

“When a certain astronomer, who was present, asked the Lord Jesus whether he had studied astronomy, the Lord Jesus replied and told him the number of spheres and heavenly bodies, also their triangular, square, and sextile aspects; their progressive and retrograde motion; their size and several prognostications; and other things which the reason of man had never discovered.”

(1 Infancy 21:9-10)