EN ANKH HEH SHEM HOTEPU to all:

I have been a practicioner of Kemetian Theology for over a decade, in junction with other similar spiritual systems.

The 2 most prominent Kemetic organizations in the African Spiritual Community are the SEMA Institute led by Sebahy Muata Ashby, and the Ausar/Auset Society led by Sheqhem Ur Sheqhem Ra Un Nefer Amen.

I was wondering if there are any members of Destee that are members of either (or both) Societies.

As for myself, I am a student of both systems.

My studies of both systems have led me to understand that the theologies of both are slightly different, though not at all opposing to one another.

Amen's teachings of Metu Neter ("Divine Wisdom") are based on Ausarian Theology, whilst Ashby's teachings of Shetaut Neter ("Divine Mysteries") are based on Anunian Theology.

Both systems have their foundation in the PA'UT NETER (Tree Of Life, or Pantheon of Deities), though the positioning of the deities for each system is slightly different.

In my understanding, this is not a discrepancy on either part of each teacher, as both the Anunian and Ausarian Theologies were in practice simultaneously in Kemet during ancient times.

It should be seen as a different discipline of science (Astronomy in comparison to Astrology), rather than a contradiction of each other; both utilize the principle aspect to express ultimately the same understanding.

Personally, I find the Ausarian Theology of Metu Neter to be more beneficial on a practical level (God in Self), while the Anunian Theology gives great understanding to the cosmology of the Universe (God In the Universe).

Anyways, that's my perspective in a nutshell, and I was just wondering about the perspectives of others:

How long have you studied and/or been a member of either Society?

What prompted you to join other one?

What have you learned about Kemetic culture during this time?

If you are a member of one Society, what is your perspective regarding the other?

HOTEPU

EN ANKH HEH SHEM HOTEPU to all:

I have been a practicioner of Kemetian Theology for over a decade, in junction with other similar spiritual systems.

The 2 most prominent Kemetic organizations in the African Spiritual Community are the SEMA Institute led by Sebahy Muata Ashby, and the Ausar/Auset Society led by Sheqhem Ur Sheqhem Ra Un Nefer Amen.

I was wondering if there are any members of Destee that are members of either (or both) Societies.

As for myself, I am a student of both systems.

My studies of both systems have led me to understand that the theologies of both are slightly different, though not at all opposing to one another.

Amen's teachings of Metu Neter ("Divine Wisdom") are based on Ausarian Theology, whilst Ashby's teachings of Shetaut Neter ("Divine Mysteries") are based on Anunian Theology.

Both systems have their foundation in the PA'UT NETER (Tree Of Life, or Pantheon of Deities), though the positioning of the deities for each system is slightly different.

In my understanding, this is not a discrepancy on either part of each teacher, as both the Anunian and Ausarian Theologies were in practice simultaneously in Kemet during ancient times.

It should be seen as a different discipline of science (Astronomy in comparison to Astrology), rather than a contradiction of each other; both utilize the principle aspect to express ultimately the same understanding.

Personally, I find the Ausarian Theology of Metu Neter to be more beneficial on a practical level (God in Self), while the Anunian Theology gives great understanding to the cosmology of the Universe (God In the Universe).

Anyways, that's my perspective in a nutshell, and I was just wondering about the perspectives of others:

How long have you studied and/or been a member of either Society?

What prompted you to join other one?

What have you learned about Kemetic culture during this time?

If you are a member of one Society, what is your perspective regarding the other?

HOTEPU


Excellent thread

I'm never been a member of either society, but have crossed paths with a few who have, and had a former girlfriend that was a former member of the Ausar/Auset society.

I've learned a few things about the veneration of Ausar, that I'm not at liberty to go into right now. However when I was 16 a brotha in Brooklyn named Semalj taught me alot about the fundamentals of the relationship between myself and the neteru, and what the symbiotic role between the two are.

I also got into the oracle if Ife, when I turned 22. and today I have altars oriented for ancestors in both traditions.

:great: I don't belong to any society, as it is probably obvious. Looking forward to hearing all about it! :luvv:

Hotep
In African life there has always been different scools of thought or "Houses", Specializing in different disiplins that are usualy passed down though family members and are secret. Every one in africa in the "Old-Times", meaning before "White-Folks" or pre-history.
In the rich Nile Valley, Black Africans came to gether and over time pooled resorces and became more powerful because of their "Unity". During these times "Every thing" was spiritual and every thing built had a distenct purpose. As we begain to record our "Thoughts, Words and Images on Skins,Papirus,Clay and Stone, these were all known by the "Initiated" as the "Medu Neter" (Medu - meaning words; and Neter meaning G-d). Hence, the Medu Neter was and should be called "G-d's Words" or "The Word of G-d", The origanl sacred writings. As the "Invaders" came in and kept coming and finaly took over, they (Indo-Europians) began to re-write and place them self in (Origanl-Black-Peoples) our place. Not having a true conection to "Any-thing-African", so-called knowlege became confused and dis-torted. Some "Sages" or Prophets were kid-naped and taken to Europe to translate, so they (Whites) thought, and others were killed while most fled into the interior of the home-land of KMT or upper Africa. Some Sages with the true collective knowlege gravitated to the area of Mali and Dogon. The point is, the combined secrets and mysteries have never left the place they were first born, only fragments have made it to the "West". One has to be "Initiated" into the mysteries by someone who is willing to except one into a "Grand-Lodge" or African Traditionl Religon (Most of all, one must be ready with a Pure Hart). For example, Dr.Yusef Ben Jachcanan is a 360 degree master of the craft and is recognised by the other true (Sages) or Masters of the Craft.
Ase`

There is a sect of so-called "KEMETIC teachings" known as the KEMETIC ORTHODOXY.

This is the biggest sham the world has ever known.

It is ran by this over-weight White woman. In fact, it is chock-full of sweaty, overweight white people, and other wayward weirdos with a passing obsession of "EGYPT".

Don't take my word for it, see for yourself:

http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/aad.jpg

http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/aaf.jpg

http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/aai.jpg

There is nothing African-oriented about this group whatsoever.

This is their website: http://www.kemet.org/home.html

Listen to the non-sense that they teach:

Glossary of the Names

"Netjer," a Kemetic word meaning "divine power," is the One Self-Created Deity which manifests in myriads of forms, which we call Names (Kemetic Orthodoxy is a monolatry, a specialized form of polytheism that is NOT monotheism -- see the "What is Kemetic Orthodoxy?" page for more information). The actual number of Names, sometimes more simply (but misleadingly) called "gods" and "goddesses," figures in the thousands. This glossary is a detailed listing of the most common Names and includes the most accurate information possible regarding Them. The Kemetic Orthodox approximation of how the Name would be pronounced is included, along with the mainstream spellings.

This is as wrong as a thong on a fat broad. :puke2:

Speaking of "fat broad", this is their leader:

http://www.kemet.org/images/hemet_flags.jpg

A fat, funky, sweaty white woman, that has other fat, funky sweaty white devils and a few ignorant Blacks praying to her:

http://www.kemet.org/images/blessing_imyseta.jpg

Also:
http://www.kemet.org/clergy.html

Why the hell are these people calling themselves "REVERENDS"?? What does that have to do with KEMET, or Africa proper? :confused:

Take notice in all the pictures on that site, how there are very few, to NO black people present.

For all who read this, please know that this has NOTHING to do with METU NETER nor SHETA'UT NETER.

There is no way on this earth, that I would support this garbage. The days of looking to white people for anything--especially for my spiritual and intellectual growth--are long done and dead.

The only 2 legitimate clergymen that are qualified to teach Kemetian Theology are RA UN NEFER AMEN or the AUSAR AUSET SOCIETY, and SEBAHY MUATA ASHBY of the SEMA INSTITUTE.

Both are Black Africans.

HOTEPU

Mikyia wo to all,


I actually have studied longer under The Sema Institute (8 years) than the Ausar-Auset Society (6 years). I am not a member of either (just a student of both systems), but more than likely I will become a member of the Ausar-Auset Society sometime this year.

The hands-on approach that the Ausar-Auset society employs is priceless. The truth being taught in this spiritual system is evident by your actions. Also, it helps that there is a chapter here in Atlanta. :)

I have learned more in regards to the history, the language, the myths, and how this way of life can solve most of our problems if only we apply the teachings to our lives. I have discovered that this is what a lot of students in both systems fail to understand.

From what I have studied in regards to each spiritual system, I feel that the Ausar-Auset Society lays a more grounded foundation with a more sublime teaching. This is not to slight the Sema Institute, because I love what they are doing. However, I find the Ausarian Theology a more noble practice to cultivate one's spirit.



Htp.u

EN ANKH SHEM HOTEPU SON OF RA:

Your elucidation is most appreciated. I'm also feeling your avatar of PTAH (I have that same statue).

Why don't you hit me up: SHAHIYM@HOTMAIL.COM

Or check me out on my website: http://cradle2dagrave.proboards36.com

HOTEPU

I just started doing some research on the Kemetic culture. Excuse me, in advance, if it is not best defined as a culture. I think the responses from the "Differences in Kemetic Theology" provided a good start to my research.

One thing that fascinates me is the 77 Commandments, which I learned is the basis of living life the Kemetic way. Can you tell me a little bit more about the 77 Commandments?

Also, what are the views on sexuality/sex (e.g. what is the purpose of sex? Who can have sex?). This is also an interesting focus topic for me because in regards to religion, it can pose controversy.

Finally, I am aware that there is this book entitled, "The Kemetic Diet..." by Dr. Ashby. Can you provide me a synopsis of what the Kemetic diet is? I know a few people that practice Kemetic philosophy. They try to avoid chewing gum and drinking any liquids with ice. I don't mean to offend anyone by the following question- I think this cutback is a little extreme. Can you explain why the afroementioned should be avoided?

When you respond, can you identify the source of your information? (e.g. where did you study?) Thank you, in advance, for your responses. I look forward to reading them.

Hello CCB...


Welcome to Destee. I hope you find your stay here pleasant, informative, uplifting and encouraging. I'm sure you'll find the information you seek. There are many brothers and sisters here with more than adequate knowledge on this subject. Again thank you for gracing our website with your presences.


Peace and Love.....

I just started doing some research on the Kemetic culture. Excuse me, in advance, if it is not best defined as a culture. I think the responses from the "Differences in Kemetic Theology" provided a good start to my research.

One thing that fascinates me is the 77 Commandments, which I learned is the basis of living life the Kemetic way. Can you tell me a little bit more about the 77 Commandments?

Also, what are the views on sexuality/sex (e.g. what is the purpose of sex? Who can have sex?). This is also an interesting focus topic for me because in regards to religion, it can pose controversy.

Finally, I am aware that there is this book entitled, "The Kemetic Diet..." by Dr. Ashby. Can you provide me a synopsis of what the Kemetic diet is? I know a few people that practice Kemetic philosophy. They try to avoid chewing gum and drinking any liquids with ice. I don't mean to offend anyone by the following question- I think this cutback is a little extreme. Can you explain why the afroementioned should be avoided?

When you respond, can you identify the source of your information? (e.g. where did you study?) Thank you, in advance, for your responses. I look forward to reading them.


Beloved,

Are you referring to the "Negative Confessions" of Ausar?

HOTEP CCB:


Also, what are the views on sexuality/sex (e.g. what is the purpose of sex? Who can have sex?). This is also an interesting focus topic for me because in regards to religion, it can pose controversy.

I would request that you pose more specific questions with regard to sexuality in the Kemetic view, as the topic of sex itself is a broad and general one.

However, suffice to say that sex in the Kemetic view, is the same as in the Traditional (ancient) African way; a beautiful creational act of God, that is to be cherished and valued in moderation and love.

Finally, I am aware that there is this book entitled, "The Kemetic Diet..." by Dr. Ashby. Can you provide me a synopsis of what the Kemetic diet is? I know a few people that practice Kemetic philosophy. They try to avoid chewing gum and drinking any liquids with ice. I don't mean to offend anyone by the following question- I think this cutback is a little extreme. Can you explain why the afroementioned should be avoided?

The KEMETIC DIET book (as well as numerous others on the subject of cultural wholistic health) give us clear and scientific/medical reasons for the abhoration of various foods and consumptive practices.

Chewing gum not only artificially stimulates the digestive system (therein causing a plethora of internal problems), but also causes problems in the mouth, ranging from an imbalance of enzymes, gum disease, and even mouth cancer (from toxic ingredients in mainstream gum products).

Drinking beverages with ice causes an artificial irregulation in body temperature. It is best to drink liquids that are cooled to no more than about 50-60 degrees (just below room temperature.

This info comes from someone who not only practices this cultural lifestyle, but also works in the medical profession.

When you respond, can you identify the source of your information? (e.g. where did you study?) Thank you, in advance, for your responses. I look forward to reading them.

I would heavily suggest that you pick up the KEMETIC DIET book if you have not done so already, in addition to a book called NUTRICIDE.

Regarding sexuality, I would suggest obtaining a copy of METU NETER; volume #1 gives excellent elucidations about the spiritual aspects of sex.

Also, EGYPTIAN TANTRIC YOGA does the very same, as this particular book is dedicated to this one very subject.

In the meantime, I would definitely suggest getting your hands on as many books by the 2 men mentioned earlier in this thread as possible; both of them are masters of Kemetic discipline, and their respective pens are prolific on this subject.

SHEM HOTEPU

I would heavily suggest that you pick up the KEMETIC DIET book if you have not done so already, in addition to a book called NUTRICIDE.

Regarding sexuality, I would suggest obtaining a copy of METU NETER; volume #1 gives excellent elucidations about the spiritual aspects of sex.


I would also recommend the book entitled "African Holistic Health" by Llaila O. Afrika, also the author of "Nutricide".

I would also recommend the book entitled "African Holistic Health" by Llaila O. Afrika, also the author of "Nutricide".


Thanks Brother!! I was trying to remember the author's name, since I no longer have either book (they were destroyed in a fire to my home a couple of months ago).

HOTEP

HOTEP CCB:

Chewing gum not only artificially stimulates the digestive system (therein causing a plethora of internal problems), but also causes problems in the mouth, ranging from an imbalance of enzymes, gum disease, and even mouth cancer (from toxic ingredients in mainstream gum products).

Drinking beverages with ice causes an artificial irregulation in body temperature. It is best to drink liquids that are cooled to no more than about 50-60 degrees (just below room temperature.


Can you please do me a favor (Knowing you this may not take long):


Can you please show me where I can learn more about this at? I am very interested in finding out about this.

LOL! First, yall take away my Microwave, then you take away my Gum! LOL!

Thank you.

CD

Can you please do me a favor (Knowing you this may not take long):


Can you please show me where I can learn more about this at? I am very interested in finding out about this.

Thank you.

CD

Not a prob, CD.

Here's some pertinent info about Chewing gum:

http://www.sweetpoison.com/newsletter/july-2003.html

I'm find some info about drinking extremely hot or cold beverages shortly.

PEACE

Not a prob, CD.

Here's some pertinent info about Chewing gum:

http://www.sweetpoison.com/newsletter/july-2003.html

I'm find some info about drinking extremely hot or cold beverages shortly.

PEACE

I know one thing.........

You won't find me eating or chewing on CHICLETS anymore! Or anything that contains Xylitol!

CD

This is in response to all of the above since my first posting. Thank you for providing me the titles to useful resources. I will make a trip to the library soon.

Regarding sex, is it true that sex should only be for procreation and never recreation; is it true that kissing is prohibited?

The one question left unanswered is about the 77 Commandments. Do any of you know of a good resource to get more information on this? Also, can you indicate where you study in your response?

Thank you.

This is in response to all of the above since my first posting. Thank you for providing me the titles to useful resources. I will make a trip to the library soon.


PEACE CCB:

I can tell you with a pretty strong certainty, that many of the books being discussed here are not going to be found at your local public library. If you have a local cultural shop that sells books in your area, then that should be the first place you should go to look for these books. You may get lucky, and find them at your local Barnes & Noble, but I wouldn't count on it.

PEACE

You may get lucky, and find them at your local Barnes & Noble, but I wouldn't count on it.
PEACE

MadSkillz gave me a whole list of books to get into, and the Barnes & Noble closest to me has only ONE book from that list:

THE DESTRUCTION OF BLACK CIVILIZATION BY DR. CHANCELLOR WILLIAMS

But I will check the rest out soon.

CD

THE DESTRUCTION OF BLACK CIVILIZATION BY DR. CHANCELLOR WILLIAMS



CD

That book should be required reading for ALL Black people.

The "Three and one half" organizations that where promoting
Hpy River Valley civilization strongly in the black community are/were

1) Wsr Wst (Ausar Auset) Society International - Rh N Nfr Hmn (Ra Un Nefer Amen)
2) Smy Twy (Smai Tawi) Hr Smhj, Hfwh (Heru Semahj, Queen Afua, and dem)
3) Sema Institute (Seba Maa i.e. Dr. Muata Ashby)
1/2) Ancient Egiptian Order (dwight york, BOOOOO!!! :( )

In terms of Hpy River Valley civilization yoga, it seems like
Dr. Wsr Hpy (Asar Hapi) and Yrsr Rh Htp (Yirser Ra Hotep) and dem have been
doing it longer. (http://www.yogaskills.com)
at least 27 and 30 and more years.

There was also another brother in Florida (not Ashby) that was
doing the Yoga, only he was using actual ankhs and stuff,
don't remember his name, may have been Mhtp (Imhotep)

Peace.

Divine Ruler Equality Allah

EN ANKH HEH SHEM HOTEPU to all:

I have been a practicioner of Kemetian Theology for over a decade, in junction with other similar spiritual systems.

The 2 most prominent Kemetic organizations in the African Spiritual Community are the SEMA Institute led by Sebahy Muata Ashby, and the Ausar/Auset Society led by Sheqhem Ur Sheqhem Ra Un Nefer Amen.

I was wondering if there are any members of Destee that are members of either (or both) Societies.

As for myself, I am a student of both systems.

My studies of both systems have led me to understand that the theologies of both are slightly different, though not at all opposing to one another.

Amen's teachings of Metu Neter ("Divine Wisdom") are based on Ausarian Theology, whilst Ashby's teachings of Shetaut Neter ("Divine Mysteries") are based on Anunian Theology.

Both systems have their foundation in the PA'UT NETER (Tree Of Life, or Pantheon of Deities), though the positioning of the deities for each system is slightly different.

In my understanding, this is not a discrepancy on either part of each teacher, as both the Anunian and Ausarian Theologies were in practice simultaneously in Kemet during ancient times.

It should be seen as a different discipline of science (Astronomy in comparison to Astrology), rather than a contradiction of each other; both utilize the principle aspect to express ultimately the same understanding.

Personally, I find the Ausarian Theology of Metu Neter to be more beneficial on a practical level (God in Self), while the Anunian Theology gives great understanding to the cosmology of the Universe (God In the Universe).

Anyways, that's my perspective in a nutshell, and I was just wondering about the perspectives of others:

How long have you studied and/or been a member of either Society?

What prompted you to join other one?

What have you learned about Kemetic culture during this time?

If you are a member of one Society, what is your perspective regarding the other?

HOTEPU

I believe the fundamental difference is these various systems is that only have ever been confirmed as legitimate the traditional African priests of other traditions. Only one of these organization's head is recognized as King and Head Priest in Afrika by other Afrikan spiritual heads and leaders. Only one is recognized by traditional elders in Afrika as legitimate. Only one to my knowledge has bonafide time tested Oracle that acknowledged as the voice of Neteru by OTHER time tested Oracles of Afrika. Also so far as I know only one system has a systematic means of trance possession - which the FUNDAMENTAL element in all GENUINE traditional African religions.


All African spiritualities maintain rites that lead to trance possession.
All African spiritualities have a means of validating and recognizing one another.
All African spiritualities have a oracle or divination tool.
All African divination tools are living entities and voices of their Deity.
All African divination tools recognize and validate one another.


This one organization is Ausar Auset Society.

While I have a HIGH respect for Queen Afua, unless priests are getting possessed and their system has a divination system, its not a spiritual science. Its a discipline that pays homage to spiritual science.

From my understanding Muata Ashby had an early brush w/ Ausar Auset that left him wanting to do his own thing. But that his early understanding comes from Ausar Auset. I have heard this twice.

Some of the other organizations like the Kemetic Institute are more intellectual than anything. While they cant begin to show you how to enter trance possession, have no means of contacting the Neteru, they will conversely talk about Asa Hilliard and Maluana Karenga as if they Tehuti in flesh.

Maulana Karenga has repeatedly used Kemetic terminology incorrectly. In fact, I am not all that sure that Ashby uses all terminology correctly Besides selling statues of Set. What's that about?

But in general, whats most important is that all genuine African spiritualities recognize one another (how can Spirit not know itself when it sees itself right?) For the last two decades or so only AAS can say this is the case.

I believe the fundamental difference is these various systems is that only have ever been confirmed as legitimate the traditional African priests of other traditions. Only one of these organization's head is recognized as King and Head Priest in Afrika by other Afrikan spiritual heads and leaders. Only one is recognized by traditional elders in Afrika as legitimate. Only one to my knowledge has bonafide time tested Oracle that acknowledged as the voice of Neteru by OTHER time tested Oracles of Afrika. Also so far as I know only one system has a systematic means of trance possession - which the FUNDAMENTAL element in all GENUINE traditional African religions.


All African spiritualities maintain rites that lead to trance possession.
All African spiritualities have a means of validating and recognizing one another.
All African spiritualities have a oracle or divination tool.
All African divination tools are living entities and voices of their Deity.
All African divination tools recognize and validate one another.


This one organization is Ausar Auset Society.

While I have a HIGH respect for Queen Afua, unless priests are getting possessed and their system has a divination system, its not a spiritual science. Its a discipline that pays homage to spiritual science.

From my understanding Muata Ashby had an early brush w/ Ausar Auset that left him wanting to do his own thing. But that his early understanding comes from Ausar Auset. I have heard this twice.

Some of the other organizations like the Kemetic Institute are more intellectual than anything. While they cant begin to show you how to enter trance possession, have no means of contacting the Neteru, they will conversely talk about Asa Hilliard and Maluana Karenga as if they Tehuti in flesh.

Maulana Karenga has repeatedly used Kemetic terminology incorrectly. In fact, I am not all that sure that Ashby uses all terminology correctly Besides selling statues of Set. What's that about?

But in general, whats most important is that all genuine African spiritualities recognize one another (how can Spirit not know itself when it sees itself right?) For the last two decades or so only AAS can say this is the case.


In a addition the importance of Ritualized Animal Sacrifice and it's intrinsic value.

I believe the fundamental difference is these various systems is that only have ever been confirmed as legitimate the traditional African priests of other traditions. Only one of these organization's head is recognized as King and Head Priest in Afrika by other Afrikan spiritual heads and leaders. Only one is recognized by traditional elders in Afrika as legitimate. Only one to my knowledge has bonafide time tested Oracle that acknowledged as the voice of Neteru by OTHER time tested Oracles of Afrika. Also so far as I know only one system has a systematic means of trance possession - which the FUNDAMENTAL element in all GENUINE traditional African religions.


All African spiritualities maintain rites that lead to trance possession.
All African spiritualities have a means of validating and recognizing one another.
All African spiritualities have a oracle or divination tool.
All African divination tools are living entities and voices of their Deity.
All African divination tools recognize and validate one another.


This one organization is Ausar Auset Society.

While I have a HIGH respect for Queen Afua, unless priests are getting possessed and their system has a divination system, its not a spiritual science. Its a discipline that pays homage to spiritual science.

From my understanding Muata Ashby had an early brush w/ Ausar Auset that left him wanting to do his own thing. But that his early understanding comes from Ausar Auset. I have heard this twice.

Some of the other organizations like the Kemetic Institute are more intellectual than anything. While they cant begin to show you how to enter trance possession, have no means of contacting the Neteru, they will conversely talk about Asa Hilliard and Maluana Karenga as if they Tehuti in flesh.

Maulana Karenga has repeatedly used Kemetic terminology incorrectly. In fact, I am not all that sure that Ashby uses all terminology correctly Besides selling statues of Set. What's that about?

But in general, whats most important is that all genuine African spiritualities recognize one another (how can Spirit not know itself when it sees itself right?) For the last two decades or so only AAS can say this is the case.

I bear witness to everything you've stated here.

HOTEPU

Sister UPLIFT, here is the thread I was speaking of.

PEACE

Sister UPLIFT, here is the thread I was speaking of.

PEACEThanks...I'll check it out. Still blows my mind that this white woman started her own group. I was reading until I saw the pic of the red headed chick....

Oh trust, it gets worse......FAR worse. Be sure to check out this thread in its entirety for details.

PEACE

Hetep,

As to the subject itself, I have been a member of the Ausar Auset Society for a little over a year, and while I have studied some of the materials of Muata Ashby, I find that by and far the cosmogony of Ra Un Nefer Amen is far more systematic, whereas Ashby's teachings tend to be more poetically esoteric (they elicit the same feelings as reading a Rumi or Gibran work).

I am, however, glad when anyone takes the teachings of our Kamitic ancestors beyond the realm of historical data and attempts to employ their yogic sciences in a traditional way. I have far too often seen the blunder of bookstore historians whose uncultivated spirituality is hinged to the gosepl truths of Dr. Ben and Ray Hagins.

Hetepu.

EN ANKH HEH SHEM HOTEPU to all:

I have been a practicioner of Kemetian Theology for over a decade, in junction with other similar spiritual systems.

The 2 most prominent Kemetic organizations in the African Spiritual Community are the SEMA Institute led by Sebahy Muata Ashby, and the Ausar/Auset Society led by Sheqhem Ur Sheqhem Ra Un Nefer Amen.

I was wondering if there are any members of Destee that are members of either (or both) Societies.

As for myself, I am a student of both systems.

My studies of both systems have led me to understand that the theologies of both are slightly different, though not at all opposing to one another.

Amen's teachings of Metu Neter ("Divine Wisdom") are based on Ausarian Theology, whilst Ashby's teachings of Shetaut Neter ("Divine Mysteries") are based on Anunian Theology.

Both systems have their foundation in the PA'UT NETER (Tree Of Life, or Pantheon of Deities), though the positioning of the deities for each system is slightly different.

In my understanding, this is not a discrepancy on either part of each teacher, as both the Anunian and Ausarian Theologies were in practice simultaneously in Kemet during ancient times.

It should be seen as a different discipline of science (Astronomy in comparison to Astrology), rather than a contradiction of each other; both utilize the principle aspect to express ultimately the same understanding.

Personally, I find the Ausarian Theology of Metu Neter to be more beneficial on a practical level (God in Self), while the Anunian Theology gives great understanding to the cosmology of the Universe (God In the Universe).

Anyways, that's my perspective in a nutshell, and I was just wondering about the perspectives of others:

How long have you studied and/or been a member of either Society?

What prompted you to join other one?

What have you learned about Kemetic culture during this time?

If you are a member of one Society, what is your perspective regarding the other?

HOTEPU
bookmarking...

Hetep,

As to the subject itself, I have been a member of the Ausar Auset Society for a little over a year, and while I have studied some of the materials of Muata Ashby, I find that by and far the cosmogony of Ra Un Nefer Amen is far more systematic, whereas Ashby's teachings tend to be more poetically esoteric (they elicit the same feelings as reading a Rumi or Gibran work).

I am, however, glad when anyone takes the teachings of our Kamitic ancestors beyond the realm of historical data and attempts to employ their yogic sciences in a traditional way. I have far too often seen the blunder of bookstore historians whose uncultivated spirituality is hinged to the gosepl truths of Dr. Ben and Ray Hagins.

Hetepu.

That is my perspective of the teachings of Ashby as well. His info is nonetheless impressive, even prolific; he has produced easily a couple of dozen books, CD's, etc, and with more on the way.

However, when it comes to the application of Anunian Theology, as taught by Ashby, I find the Ausarian Theology as espoused from Amen, to be a bit more superlative.

HOTEPU

I have far too often seen the blunder of bookstore historians whose uncultivated spirituality is hinged to the gosepl truths of Dr. Ben and Ray Hagins.

Hetepu.

Can you Anuk or any others of like mind elaborate on this?

If any Ausarian kemetic proponent can clarify the meaning of "uncultivated spirituality" one might have while hinged to Dr. Ben and/or Ray Hagins I'd appreciate it.

Although this thread is old, I find this very interesting, especially the commentary on Dr. Ben. There are several things Dr. Ben has over all teachers in discussion in this thread and that he is the ONLY one who is initiated into the Craft of Amun Ra in Ethiopia, Sudan and Ta-Merri (first initiated in 1930). Ra Un Nefer was initiated into Ifa and has studied Hinduism and with this knowledge has created the oracle system we find in Metu Neter.

While west African priests recognize him because of his initiation into Ifa, in east Africa he is not recognized as an authentic priest. For one, you wouldn't call Ta-Merri Kmt all of the time and he wouldn't be considered a "kemetic" priest. Most people don't know the real science behind the word or even when the name came into existence in Africa.

Ra Un Nefer's books are good for comparitive studies, but the inner workings of true Nile Valley philosophy cannot be found in his works. He has the Mantras wrong and even what Mdw Ntr means. Mdw Ntr can be read forwards and backwards. Mdw Ntr can be broken down like this;

R - law
T - guide
N - nun

Mdw - form

In other words, the law that guides the nun (undifferentiated matter) into form. The living system of east Africa is not above ground and you won't find books about its true philosophy. You also won't find true shetaut priests going around saying they are priests. It is a secretive organization and has been here way before Ra Un Nefer hit the scene. The system of the craft is a long one and is still a 40 year system. This is why the closest thing you can get to it is Ifa because you learn some of the tools early, which in Ta-Merri you wouldn't learn until after 40 years (starting from age 7).

Some of the things Ra Un Nefer is professing wouldn't have been taught to him until he has been in the system for 30 years, which he has not. You have to basically be born in the culture. They have protocols and rules and they don't divulge information to outsiders who have not been through the proper protocol. If you weren't initiated in Egypt or Ethiopia, you are not a "Kemetic" priest: period.

Although this thread is old, I find this very interesting, especially the commentary on Dr. Ben. There are several things Dr. Ben has over all teachers in discussion in this thread and that he is the ONLY one who is initiated into the Craft of Amun Ra in Ethiopia, Sudan and Ta-Merri (first initiated in 1930). Ra Un Nefer was initiated into Ifa and has studied Hinduism and with this knowledge has created the oracle system we find in Metu Neter.

While west African priests recognize him because of his initiation into Ifa, in east Africa he is not recognized as an authentic priest. For one, you wouldn't call Ta-Merri Kmt all of the time and he wouldn't be considered a "kemetic" priest. Most people don't know the real science behind the word or even when the name came into existence in Africa.

Ra Un Nefer's books are good for comparitive studies, but the inner workings of true Nile Valley philosophy cannot be found in his works. He has the Mantras wrong and even what Mdw Ntr means. Mdw Ntr can be read forwards and backwards. Mdw Ntr can be broken down like this;

R - law
T - guide
N - nun

Mdw - form

In other words, the law that guides the nun (undifferentiated matter) into form. The living system of east Africa is not above ground and you won't find books about its true philosophy. You also won't find true shetaut priests going around saying they are priests. It is a secretive organization and has been here way before Ra Un Nefer hit the scene. The system of the craft is a long one and is still a 40 year system. This is why the closest thing you can get to it is Ifa because you learn some of the tools early, which in Ta-Merri you wouldn't learn until after 40 years (starting from age 7).

Some of the things Ra Un Nefer is professing wouldn't have been taught to him until he has been in the system for 30 years, which he has not. You have to basically be born in the culture. They have protocols and rules and they don't divulge information to outsiders who have not been through the proper protocol. If you weren't initiated in Egypt or Ethiopia, you are not a "Kemetic" priest: period.



Thank you very much for this post. It reinforces some of the information I previously posted and also brings into focus a much older "Order" than the AAS which, as you say is a "secretive organization" which means that it is also independent of any Golden Dawn or Rosicrucian influences.

This is also why I have questioned those who are in their 20s and 30s claiming to have reached above spehre 7.

Knowing that many AFRICAN systems of initiation are based on cycles of 7 years, at best,if one was initiated from birth, it would take 49 years to reach the completion of this sphere. If intering much later, then yes, it would take at least 30 years to reach spere 4.

So how can someone in their 20s really claim rightfully to be Maa Kheru and achieved the level of "Tehuti" (Djty).

But this is also why I have been silent on some things, while pointing the "Ethiopian" roots of this system, and holding my silence on some matters.

In time, more truth shall come to light. I also thank you again for stating that this starts from the age 7. Some other orders start at age 11 or 12, but age seven also corresponds with the age that many of our youth here begin grade 1. There is a direct correspondance, and also is evidenced in how before the middle school system, "junior high" schools generally began with grade 4, which also is around the age of 14, as in the 14 parts of "Osiris".

"You have to be basically born in the culture".

No doubt, this is the most important aspect.

(imhotep06) - Although this thread is old, I find this very interesting, especially the commentary on Dr. Ben.

thank you for shedding some new light on the subject.

(imhotep06) - Mdw Ntr can be read forwards and backwards. Mdw Ntr can be broken down like this;

R - law
T - guide
N - nun

Mdw - form

In other words, the law that guides the nun (undifferentiated matter) into form.

that breakdown is brilliant. there was a debate around here regarding what medu neter actually meant; none of the definitions that were known scratched the surface to the depth of the thinking on the subject.

(imhotep06) - You have to basically be born in the culture. They have protocols and rules and they don't divulge information to outsiders who have not been through the proper protocol.

interesting.
dr ben was an ethiopian "jew" by birth; who abandoned that system and then was initiatiated. thus, i don't know that he was born into that culture; however, i do understand that the opportunity to have access to initiation in kemet or kush is a birthright to those of african descent.

(imhotep06) - If you weren't initiated in Egypt or Ethiopia, you are not a "Kemetic" priest: period.

do you mean to say "the highest levels of initiation", "levels needed for priesthood"...or "at all". during the reign of khufu there was a brotherhood of kemetic priests established across africa. thus, one could be initiated, at some level, outside of kemet.

a similar role is prescribed to ausar, who travelled the world to teach the original practices...etc. so some amount of knowledge has been spread outside of kemet and kush.

Thank you very much for this post. It reinforces some of the information I previously posted and also brings into focus a much older "Order" than the AAS which, as you say is a "secretive organization" which means that it is also independent of any Golden Dawn or Rosicrucian influences.

This is also why I have questioned those who are in their 20s and 30s claiming to have reached above spehre 7.

Knowing that many AFRICAN systems of initiation are based on cycles of 7 years, at best,if one was initiated from birth, it would take 49 years to reach the completion of this sphere. If intering much later, then yes, it would take at least 30 years to reach spere 4.

So how can someone in their 20s really claim rightfully to be Maa Kheru and achieved the level of "Tehuti" (Djty).

But this is also why I have been silent on some things, while pointing the "Ethiopian" roots of this system, and holding my silence on some matters.

In time, more truth shall come to light. I also thank you again for stating that this starts from the age 7. Some other orders start at age 11 or 12, but age seven also corresponds with the age that many of our youth here begin grade 1. There is a direct correspondance, and also is evidenced in how before the middle school system, "junior high" schools generally began with grade 4, which also is around the age of 14, as in the 14 parts of "Osiris".

"You have to be basically born in the culture".

No doubt, this is the most important aspect.


I am not downing what the brother has started. He has made practical a system based off of the scant records of our ancestors. But one has to remember, what the ancestors left in stone and on papyrus, were only mnemonic devices for greater teachings not written. Unless you are born into the culture, they are not going to give you the higher knowledge of the system and you can't find it in Gerald Massey or the Hieroglyphic dictionary. You're not going to find it in a book period.

Neither Ashby or Nefer Amen are initiated into the systems. If you want some real scattered Kemetic science, try and get initiated into the systems of the Dagara, Dogon, K'ongo, and the systems in Uganda. But as a rule in most African systems, you have to be initiated on the continent. There is a reason. They do their things in forests. That's what the temples in Egypt were for, they imitated forests. The study of the forest reveals some pertinent information about the temples in Ta-Merri. I would study them indepth.

(imhotep06) - If you want some real scattered Kemetic science, try and get initiated into the systems of the Dagara, Dogon, K'ongo, and the systems in Uganda. But as a rule in most African systems, you have to be initiated on the continent.

the earth center is a dogon priest teaching kemetic science.

http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?title=home/who

[color=navy](imhotep06) - You have to basically be born in the culture. They have protocols and rules and they don't divulge information to outsiders who have not been through the proper protocol.

interesting.
dr ben was an ethiopian "jew" by birth; who abandoned that system and then was initiatiated. thus, i don't know that he was born into that culture; however, i do understand that the opportunity to have access to initiation in kemet or kush is a birthright to those of african descent.

(imhotep06) - If you weren't initiated in Egypt or Ethiopia, you are not a "Kemetic" priest: period.

do you mean to say "the highest levels of initiation", "levels needed for priesthood"...or "at all". during the reign of khufu there was a brotherhood of kemetic priests established across africa. thus, one could be initiated, at some level, outside of kemet.

a similar role is prescribed to ausar, who travelled the world to teach the original practices...etc. so some amount of knowledge has been spread outside of kemet and kush.

Although Dr. Ben was born into Ethiopian Jewry, his father introduced him to the craft. African priests have no problems on the surface practicing something else, but being a part of their real organizations and not exposing themselves. It's done for political reasons in Ethiopia.

The reason why Africans are hesitant to give African Americans the true higher aspects of the knowledge because we have American mentalities. It will take us longer to get it, because they want to make sure that you don't go tell the white man what you know. The problem with African Americans is they talk too much. They want to let everyone know how much spirituality they have and what they can do. This is American thinking and is adverse to how Africans feel information should be divulged.

This is how you can tell Ra Un Nefer was not initiated into the system. You need permission from the elders in Ta-Merri to give certain information and only Dr. Ben has been given "some" permission and even still, if you aren't initiated into the systems, you don't know what you're reading in Dr. Ben's books.

Kemetic knowledge is much more simpler and yet so profound. If you ever get the opportunity to learn it for real, you will be like "this is it?" You would have never guessed. All I can say is that you should start paying attention to sex, family, character and health. That's what it all boils down to.

As far as your last question, you have to actually be intiated in Egypt first. If you were not initiated there, you have not started your journey: period. All men must go through Ta-merri on there first stop. Then in other degrees you go throughout Africa ending in Uganda. But the protocol is Egypt. And Ra Un Nefer never claimed to be initiated in Egypt.

I am not downing what the brother has started. He has made practical a system based off of the scant records of our ancestors. But one has to remember, what the ancestors left in stone and on papyrus, were only mnemonic devices for greater teachings not written. Unless you are born into the culture, they are not going to give you the higher knowledge of the system and you can't find it in Gerald Massey or the Hieroglyphic dictionary. You're not going to find it in a book period.

Neither Ashby or Nefer Amen are initiated into the systems. If you want some real scattered Kemetic science, try and get initiated into the systems of the Dagara, Dogon, K'ongo, and the systems in Uganda. But as a rule in most African systems, you have to be initiated on the continent. There is a reason. They do their things in forests. That's what the temples in Egypt were for, they imitated forests. The study of the forest reveals some pertinent information about the temples in Ta-Merri. I would study them indepth.


Thanks for your further explanation. I will address one thing at then let my participation on this topic come to an end. There are "survivalisms" of some of these pratices in th Deep South where some of our ancestors used to go into the forests (for example, in Louisiana) and practice "Initiation" Rites of Passage when children got to a certain age, and then were educated within an "extended" kinship.

This is why I am more concerned with using meditation to commune with Ancestors, moreso than "deities". Your post virtually affirmed what some have stated in regards to the Dogon and related cultures.

Peace.

(imhotep06) - If you want some real scattered Kemetic science, try and get initiated into the systems of the Dagara, Dogon, K'ongo, and the systems in Uganda. But as a rule in most African systems, you have to be initiated on the continent.

the earth center is a dogon priest teaching kemetic science.

http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?title=home/who


Actually he is teaching DOGON Spirituality, which incorporates aspects of "kemetic science" which also is distinct from "Ausarian Religion".

(OmowaleX) - This is why I am more concerned with using meditation to commune with Ancestors, moreso than "deities".

many of the deities serve a role as teachers & providers...etc. what's interesting is that many "deities" while existing as spiritual being; are often portrayed as aliens in the physical. in truth, you don't know what type of being/body a spiritual being has or originally had. thus, a deity could be the spiritual aspect of an alien...and thus the seeming duality collapses into one...

here is a (non-african) article on the use of false doors in kemet, to meet and communicate with both ancestors and deities:
http://www.inkemetic.org/Library/falsedoor.htm

essentially projecting one's ka in higher states of trance to a spiritual realm.

I am not downing what the brother has started. He has made practical a system based off of the scant records of our ancestors. But one has to remember, what the ancestors left in stone and on papyrus, were only mnemonic devices for greater teachings not written. Unless you are born into the culture, they are not going to give you the higher knowledge of the system and you can't find it in Gerald Massey or the Hieroglyphic dictionary. You're not going to find it in a book period.

Neither Ashby or Nefer Amen are initiated into the systems. If you want some real scattered Kemetic science, try and get initiated into the systems of the Dagara, Dogon, K'ongo, and the systems in Uganda. But as a rule in most African systems, you have to be initiated on the continent. There is a reason. They do their things in forests. That's what the temples in Egypt were for, they imitated forests. The study of the forest reveals some pertinent information about the temples in Ta-Merri. I would study them indepth.
any advice on how one can 'spiritually' prepare oneself before making such a journey to actually get initiated?

(OmowaleX) - This is why I am more concerned with using meditation to commune with Ancestors, moreso than "deities".

many of the deities serve a role as teachers & providers...etc. what's interesting is that many "deities" while existing as spiritual being; are often portrayed as aliens in the physical. in truth, you don't know what type of being/body a spiritual being has or originally had. thus, a deity could be the spiritual aspect of an alien...and thus the seeming duality collapses into one...

here is a (non-african) article on the use of false doors in kemet, to meet and communicate with both ancestors and deities:
http://www.inkemetic.org/Library/falsedoor.htm

essentially projecting one's ka in higher states of trance to a spiritual realm.


I understand everything what you are saying but on a specifically personal level, I am trying to maintain a spiritual contact with my ancestors rather than seeking to commune with "gods, "aliens" or "deities". In this aspect I remain led by my own spiritual guides who form a "protection" or "covering". I am not "seeking", but only to remain in contact.

(OmowaleX) - Actually he is teaching DOGON Spirituality, which incorporates aspects of "kemetic science" which also is distinct from "Ausarian Religion".

the dogon are not a homogenous people:
http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?title=home/dogon

the earth center definitely pays homage to wsar, aishat & heru...amongst others...

http://www.theearthcenter.com/ffarchiveswsr.html

(OmowaleX) - Actually he is teaching DOGON Spirituality, which incorporates aspects of "kemetic science" which also is distinct from "Ausarian Religion".

the dogon are not a homogenous people:
http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?title=home/dogon

the earth center definitely pays homage to wsar, aishat & heru...amongst others...

http://www.theearthcenter.com/ffarchiveswsr.html


"Kemet" was not a homogonous society either. And the "Earth Center" teachings are relative, but I shall recognize brother Imhotep's explanation concerning the essentially "secretive" nature at the core of this spirituality.

Peace.

(OmowaleX) - "Kemet" was not a homogonous society either. And the "Earth Center" teachings are relative, but I shall recognize brother Imhotep's explanation concerning the essentially "secretive" nature at the core of this spirituality.

Peace.

i agree with you 100%.

also, the earth center doesn't claim to teach everything; just what was sanctioned to leave the continent and be taught openly.

http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?title=initiation/perAnk

The M'TAM School of Spirituality's Per Ankh class is the first step in the serious pilgrim's journey for Maat and the self. Taught by Naba Lamoussa Morodenibig, it is the ONLY authentic Kemetic initiation that is taught by an authentic Spiritual Master that has been authorized by the council of Elders to bring the knowledge outside of the holy Initiation Camps in the Bush of Merita (Africa)!

Although Dr. Ben was born into Ethiopian Jewry, his father introduced him to the craft. African priests have no problems on the surface practicing something else, but being a part of their real organizations and not exposing themselves. It's done for political reasons in Ethiopia.

The reason why Africans are hesitant to give African Americans the true higher aspects of the knowledge because we have American mentalities. It will take us longer to get it, because they want to make sure that you don't go tell the white man what you know. The problem with African Americans is they talk too much. They want to let everyone know how much spirituality they have and what they can do. This is American thinking and is adverse to how Africans feel information should be divulged.

This is how you can tell Ra Un Nefer was not initiated into the system. You need permission from the elders in Ta-Merri to give certain information and only Dr. Ben has been given "some" permission and even still, if you aren't initiated into the systems, you don't know what you're reading in Dr. Ben's books.

Kemetic knowledge is much more simpler and yet so profound. If you ever get the opportunity to learn it for real, you will be like "this is it?" You would have never guessed. All I can say is that you should start paying attention to sex, family, character and health. That's what it all boils down to.

As far as your last question, you have to actually be intiated in Egypt first. If you were not initiated there, you have not started your journey: period. All men must go through Ta-merri on there first stop. Then in other degrees you go throughout Africa ending in Uganda. But the protocol is Egypt. And Ra Un Nefer never claimed to be initiated in Egypt.

So basically what you're saying is that we our waisting our time?

(OmowaleX) - "Kemet" was not a homogonous society either. And the "Earth Center" teachings are relative, but I shall recognize brother Imhotep's explanation concerning the essentially "secretive" nature at the core of this spirituality.

Peace.

i agree with you 100%.

also, the earth center doesn't claim to teach everything; just what was sanctioned to leave the continent and be taught openly.

http://www.theearthcenter.com/index.php?title=initiation/perAnk

The M'TAM School of Spirituality's Per Ankh class is the first step in the serious pilgrim's journey for Maat and the self. Taught by Naba Lamoussa Morodenibig, it is the ONLY authentic Kemetic initiation that is taught by an authentic Spiritual Master that has been authorized by the council of Elders to bring the knowledge outside of the holy Initiation Camps in the Bush of Merita (Africa)!


Since you brought this up, something I have been wondering for a while is if it is the "ONLY authentic Kemetic initiation that is taught by an authentic Spiritual Maste that has been authorized by the council of Elders" where does that leave RUNA and the AAS?

Also if RUNA is a Chief (Ashantahine) in GHANA, how is that related to an EAST AFRICAN spiritual system based in Ethiopia/Uganda?

@ Cursed Heart

In a sense yes, and in a sense no. If you are trying to regain the same system that was established in Ta-Merri before the Persian invasion, you're wasting your time. The open system is dead. This is why they went underground. They learned a valuable lesson.

The problem with Kmt was they talked too much. They drew too much attention and it became their downfall. So they don't make that mistake anymore. It is a reason the essence of God was called Amen (the hidden). This stuff was Hidden (Amen) for a reason and the Arabs and Europeans have proven why.

But it is not a waste at the same time given our history here in the states. Spiritual systems are supposed to evolve and be relevant for the times and environment. So if people find value in the system, then it's good. As long as their lives are enriched, it's a plus. At some point they will mature and seek something deeper. But it is a first step, like Christianity and Islam was a first step.

@ Omawale
What we have to understand about Ta-Merri is that Ta-Merri was a mixer of various African systems. It was not a single, linear system. Actually you had to visit other temples and places to maintain higher degrees. Some in west Africa, some in South Africa, India and even Greece. There are certain things that must be studied, that can't be studied in one area because of its location and physiology. Certain stars you can see in Ghana, you can't see in Egypt. The same with Monamotapa and Uganda. Certain vortexes exist in Dagara country that doesn't exist in Egypt. This is why they travel.

There is a language in which all high priest know, that most do not. It matters not their official language. They can go anywhere and speak to priests. But it is reserved for elders. This is why the Mande were able to go and build stone monuments in Mexico after abandoning it in Kmt centuries before.

Too many times we are too focused on Kmt from the western standpoint, we neglect the systems older than the ones in Kmt, which spawned Shetaut Neteru systems. Also, we neglect exactly what the underlying essence means in all systems. All African spiritual systems are the "****" for a lack of a better term. It is just how you use it to enrich your life. They are all pieces of the puzzle.

any advice on how one can 'spiritually' prepare oneself before making such a journey to actually get initiated?

The only advice I can say is to think about what system attracts you the most. Study what you can in books. Ask the universe to send you a guide. When the student is ready, the teacher will come. Use the law of attraction. Declare it, believe and put the energy behind it and make it happen. Don't try and force it. It's a game of patience.

Just be sincere and ask your ancestors for guidence for the best path. Something specific appeals to you. Go find it. There are plenty of authentic teachers of various systems in the States. They would have to speak on your behalf.

(imhotep06) - What we have to understand about Ta-Merri is that Ta-Merri was a mixer of various African systems. It was not a single, linear system. Actually you had to visit other temples and places to maintain higher degrees. Some in west Africa, some in South Africa, India and even Greece.

a) the "greece" connection was established before "greece" ever rose; with the minoans (kheftui?). the greeks luckily inherited that.

b) part of the symbolism of ausar's body being dismembered and spread was related to that aspect of bits of spiritual knowledge being dispersed across the globe. originally, it is ausar who was credited with travelling the world and establishing these learning centers...

(imhotep06) - There is a language in which all high priest know, that most do not. It matters not their official language. They can go anywhere and speak to priests.

definitely. credo mutwa speaks to this as well.
also, symbolism, gestures & certain dances. forms of communication that aren't tied to any tongue...

(imhotep06) - Also, we neglect exactly what the underlying essence means in all systems. All African spiritual systems are the "****" for a lack of a better term. It is just how you use it to enrich your life. They are all pieces of the puzzle.

part of the issue is with the western concept of religion, which is some sort of magic key if you find the right combination. a spiritual system isn't the end goal, it is the start to living your life in a more complete manner. utilizing all resources available to you, and giving back as well.

The only advice I can say is to think about what system attracts you the most. Study what you can in books. Ask the universe to send you a guide. When the student is ready, the teacher will come. Use the law of attraction. Declare it, believe and put the energy behind it and make it happen. Don't try and force it. It's a game of patience.
Just be sincere and ask your ancestors for guidence for the best path. Something specific appeals to you. Go find it. There are plenty of authentic teachers of various systems in the States. They would have to speak on your behalf.
The bolded portion is something profound as I have been having ideas as to how to create a 'system' of my own until the teacher arrives, but one thing that remains questionable is that as the more I study more I take and use more prinicples and practices from all over the world (Tibet, alot of asia,all across Afrika, and the indegenous peoples of Ta-meri-ka).

Regardlesss of such, I need some assistance as to the functioning while in a meditative state in which I weave back and forth,muscles jerk, and I almost fall out of my chair, I have tried to 'think' in this state but every time I get there it does not occur.I know this is off topic so I am just throwing it out there.How can I use this state to prepare me for reaching the 'pinnacle' via community service that so many ancient (and 'modern') people are after?

I think you all are making it more difficult than it needs to be. As my spiritual teacher has said to me before is, "The problem with African people is they are too spiritual." Sometimes you need mundane solutions to handle mundane problems. That's why African spirituality won't work against European people. They didn't use spirituality to enslave you. You don't need it to get them off your backs.

Spiritual systems are designed to build good character. An education of any sort is to prepare you to properly handle power. Just be of good character and learn the things necassary to build a strong family. We want to go save the world before dealing with our own families.

You want to effect the community, have strong a relationship with your sons and daughters. Be artistic. Start a business and train better qualified Black folks. Smile when you see folks in the street. Have good sex with your wife (don't neglect this aspect of life), Converse with young people when ever you can. Be the change you want to see in others. This doesn't take trance.

The whole point of trance is to come back from "the other side" with information on how to better the human condition. If you aren't coming back with information, you're wasting your time. The point of living is not to become too spiritual, but to be fully human. Pay attention to what's already around you. Embrace it and learn from it. That's all you are going to learn from African spiritual systems. We always want to build pyramids when these were just representations of the family.


But if you are looking for better meditative practices, It's not that hard to find a good Buddhist temple or Hindu temple. They're masters at meditation. Simply ask them how do they do it and take it from there.

@ Cursed Heart

In a sense yes, and in a sense no. If you are trying to regain the same system that was established in Ta-Merri before the Persian invasion, you're wasting your time. The open system is dead. This is why they went underground. They learned a valuable lesson.

The problem with Kmt was they talked too much. They drew too much attention and it became their downfall. So they don't make that mistake anymore. It is a reason the essence of God was called Amen (the hidden). This stuff was Hidden (Amen) for a reason and the Arabs and Europeans have proven why.

But it is not a waste at the same time given our history here in the states. Spiritual systems are supposed to evolve and be relevant for the times and environment. So if people find value in the system, then it's good. As long as their lives are enriched, it's a plus. At some point they will mature and seek something deeper. But it is a first step, like Christianity and Islam was a first step.

@ Omawale
What we have to understand about Ta-Merri is that Ta-Merri was a mixer of various African systems. It was not a single, linear system. Actually you had to visit other temples and places to maintain higher degrees. Some in west Africa, some in South Africa, India and even Greece. There are certain things that must be studied, that can't be studied in one area because of its location and physiology. Certain stars you can see in Ghana, you can't see in Egypt. The same with Monamotapa and Uganda. Certain vortexes exist in Dagara country that doesn't exist in Egypt. This is why they travel.

There is a language in which all high priest know, that most do not. It matters not their official language. They can go anywhere and speak to priests. But it is reserved for elders. This is why the Mande were able to go and build stone monuments in Mexico after abandoning it in Kmt centuries before.

Too many times we are too focused on Kmt from the western standpoint, we neglect the systems older than the ones in Kmt, which spawned Shetaut Neteru systems. Also, we neglect exactly what the underlying essence means in all systems. All African spiritual systems are the "****" for a lack of a better term. It is just how you use it to enrich your life. They are all pieces of the puzzle.
Yes brother Imhotep, i agree totally that "Ta-Merri was a mixer of various African systems."

Also, "Too many times we are too focused on Kmt from the western standpoint, we neglect system older than the ones in Kmt, which spawned Shetaut Neteru systems."

Exactly! That is a problem i have experienced with so many viewing Kmt as spawning all other systems.

Thanks again for your enlightened perspective!


I must also thank you for the point about the MANDE in MEXICO. For numerous reasons! It says a lon concerning who the REAL devlopers of High Culture were in ancient Mexico, and of course, there is a remnant of these folks present in Mexico today.

I think you all are making it more difficult than it needs to be. As my spiritual teacher has said to me before is, "The problem with African people is they are too spiritual." Sometimes you need mundane solutions to handle mundane problems. That's why African spirituality won't work against European people. They didn't use spirituality to enslave you. You don't need it to get them off your backs.

Spiritual systems are designed to build good character. An education of any sort is to prepare you to properly handle power. Just be of good character and learn the things necassary to build a strong family. We want to go save the world before dealing with our own families.

You want to effect the community, have strong a relationship with your sons and daughters. Be artistic. Start a business and train better qualified Black folks. Smile when you see folks in the street. Have good sex with your wife (don't neglect this aspect of life), Converse with young people when ever you can. Be the change you want to see in others. This doesn't take trance.

The whole point of trance is to come back from "the other side" with information on how to better the human condition. If you aren't coming back with information, you're wasting your time. The point of living is not to become too spiritual, but to be fully human. Pay attention to what's already around you. Embrace it and learn from it. That's all you are going to learn from African spiritual systems. We always want to build pyramids when these were just representations of the family.


But if you are looking for better meditative practices, It's not that hard to find a good Buddhist temple or Hindu temple. They're masters at meditation. Simply ask them how do they do it and take it from there.


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"The point of living is not to become too spiritual, but to be fully human."

Good point. This is the main reason why I recently started putting my books away, and dedicating my self to LEARN (Wisdom) more from my life experience, instead of seeking more KNOWLEDGE. Seeking more to develop a closer relationship to FAMILY, and build within. To be LIVING among the spiritually dead one must LIVE. Sometimes we get so caught up on dogma and doctrine and circular arguments we dont take enough time to just go outside, breath fresh air, tend our gardens, interacting with the NATURAL environment.

Texas has more birds that i have ever seen in my life. Sometimes i just go outside and watch them go about and yesterday realized that a lot of them have been flocking in my bushes which i was just about to trim. Birds and stray cats tend to gather whereever I live. These are deeply spiritual symbols which I am trying to better understand. Its definitely not something I can understand from searching the net.

(OmowaleX) - To be LIVING among the spiritually dead one must LIVE. Sometimes we get so caught up on dogma and doctrine and circular arguments we dont take enough time to just go outside, breath fresh air, tend our gardens, interacting with the NATURAL environment.

the symbolism of the "doctrine" lives within nature. interacting with the natural environment is to experience the principles at work; and the origins and source of these principles.

This is how you can tell Ra Un Nefer was not initiated into the system. You need permission from the elders in Ta-Merri to give certain information and only Dr. Ben has been given "some" permission and even still, if you aren't initiated into the systems, you don't know what you're reading in Dr. Ben's books.

Kemetic knowledge is much more simpler and yet so profound. If you ever get the opportunity to learn it for real, you will be like "this is it?" You would have never guessed. All I can say is that you should start paying attention to sex, family, character and health. That's what it all boils down to.

Are you implying you have been initiated into a system that has provided you with more authentic kemetic knowledge than RUNA or Ashby?

Also, how are you privy to who all has been given what permissions to teach?

You mentioned in subsequent posts that the goal is not to elevate spiritually but to become "fully human." I'm not an advanced student by any means of either RUNA or Ashby but from what I've learned thus far this sentiment is exactly opposite from what BOTH these men teach.

Can you elaborate more on your grounds for this?

Thirdly you mentioned that white people did not use spirituality to enslave black people and thus black people don't need spiritually to come out of it.


That's why African spirituality won't work against European people. They didn't use spirituality to enslave you. You don't need it to get them off your backs.

Aside from the clear facts pertaining to how the west used religion in their sublimation of peoples across the planet, has anyone attempted to use African spirituality to work AGAINST european people? Is that even it's purpose?

What is the goal/point/purpose of any spiritual system that is so underground that only a select few in a select few countries on a select continent can be inititiated into it while millions of their people are destroyed globally?

If "East Africa" has the lock on authentic spiritual development then what is the explanation of the condition of East Africa today (and for several hundred years)?

Just a few questions.

BTW, completely off-topic, but I've been to your mochasuite urban hang site before, you guys/gals did a great job on it...

To your first question yes, how can you tell? You can’t. How am I privy to who has been given permission to teach? The elders in Africa will tell you. You know who was given permission to teach by what they teach and how they set-up their methodology for teaching. The elders in Sudan would never call it Ausar Aset Society. It wouldn’t be a public thing, because it’s not a public thing back home. That’s how you can tell if it is a based on authentic initiation, or was this something he developed based upon his own research of books. African people don’t believe in educating the masses. Education is not for the masses in Africa.

My reasoning for saying that our aim is not to become too spiritual, is because of the basis of all African spiritual myths. The various myths tell us that God in its perfection, realizing that because it had no way of knowing itself, was in fact imperfect. This is why he created this world to experience itself (all possibilities). This is why you’ll here brothers like Dr. Ben or Baba James Smalls saying, “I am God having a human experience.” Most if not all African systems believe in reincarnation; that the spirit existed before the body. If you were already in the spiritual realm as pure spirit, why would you come here? Obviously being pure spirit was not what it was cracked up to be. So you came here to experience and learn true knowledge (experience). Human beings are the better half of God. God cannot experience itself. It is mechanical.

This is the essence of the Matrix movie. God represents the machine world. The machines were evolving to becoming more human. Humanity represents the synthesis of spirit and matter and consciousness. You work to better fuse the 3 and become better entities. You can’t get there trying to be in a trance all day and go to outer space. The measure of a civilization is how creative and effective they are at solving their problems. The same can be seen between God in the Old Testament and the New. In the Old, God was unfeeling, non-caring and a destructive force. Only when God became “flesh” did we see a more compassionate entity concerned with the welfare of humanity (although it is contradicted in revelations). God as pure spirit is Chaos – energy probagating in one direction. Humanity allows God to look back at its origins and give existence meaning. Because we are divided (differentiated matter) we can reflect light and perceive objects and phenomena. The supreme consciousness is only aware of being consciousness. Feedback and reflection is the crux of spirituality and God can’t do that where it rest as pure spirit.


I will answer the second half of your question in another post below.

(OmowaleX) - To be LIVING among the spiritually dead one must LIVE. Sometimes we get so caught up on dogma and doctrine and circular arguments we dont take enough time to just go outside, breath fresh air, tend our gardens, interacting with the NATURAL environment.

the symbolism of the "doctrine" lives within nature. interacting with the natural environment is to experience the principles at work; and the origins and source of these principles.


I recognize this but my point is I am no longer interested in "symbolism", "doctrine" or "dogma" but LIVING (which signifies interation) and EXPERIENCING "the NATURAL environment".

Peace...

To your first question yes, how can you tell? You can’t. How am I privy to who has been given permission to teach? The elders in Africa will tell you. You know who was given permission to teach by what they teach and how they set-up their methodology for teaching. The elders in Sudan would never call it Ausar Aset Society. It wouldn’t be a public thing, because it’s not a public thing back home. That’s how you can tell if it is a based on authentic initiation, or was this something he developed based upon his own research of books. African people don’t believe in educating the masses. Education is not for the masses in Africa.

My reasoning for saying that our aim is not to become too spiritual, is because of the basis of all African spiritual myths. The various myths tell us that God in its perfection, realizing that because it had no way of knowing itself, was in fact imperfect. This is why he created this world to experience itself (all possibilities). This is why you’ll here brothers like Dr. Ben or Baba James Smalls saying, “I am God having a human experience.” Most if not all African systems believe in reincarnation; that the spirit existed before the body. If you were already in the spiritual realm as pure spirit, why would you come here? Obviously being pure spirit was not what it was cracked up to be. So you came here to experience and learn true knowledge (experience). Human beings are the better half of God. God cannot experience itself. It is mechanical.

This is the essence of the Matrix movie. God represents the machine world. The machines were evolving to becoming more human. Humanity represents the synthesis of spirit and matter and consciousness. You work to better fuse the 3 and become better entities. You can’t get there trying to be in a trance all day and go to outer space. The measure of a civilization is how creative and effective they are at solving their problems. The same can be seen between God in the Old Testament and the New. In the Old, God was unfeeling, non-caring and a destructive force. Only when God became “flesh” did we see a more compassionate entity concerned with the welfare of humanity (although it is contradicted in revelations). God as pure spirit is Chaos – energy probagating in one direction. Humanity allows God to look back at its origins and give existence meaning. Because we are divided (differentiated matter) we can reflect light and perceive objects and phenomena. The supreme consciousness is only aware of being consciousness. Feedback and reflection is the crux of spirituality and God can’t do that where it rest as pure spirit.


I will answer the second half of your question in another post below.


Woah!

"Education is not for the masses in Africa."

Historically, I agree, and find this unfortunate. However, it also goes to something I stated a while back concerning the ELITIST nature of this "mysticl tradition."

You actually are confirming many of my earlier statements (I cant call them "beliefs" anymore, just statements previously asserted).

Interestingly, this also explains and answers WHY this "mystical tradition" is NOT a tool or vehicle for African "Liberation" on a massive level.

It obviously IS, indeed, a system to RULE over the mass of "SAHU".

In this respect, it is reasonable to KNOW that this is a system which shall remain largely regionalized within East Africa, with a few adherants outside, which also renders it IMPRACTIBLE for the mass of Africans, wordwide.

"So you came here to experience and learn true knowledge (experience)."

:darts:

The more of this I read its amazing that I have made identical assertions without ever visitng Africa, let alone study first hand from an Elder outside of my own extended family.

Kinda reinforces my own thinking about reincarnation and how some of this KNOWLEDGE is imbedded in our SOUL before we "incarnate" since we essentially are "pure spirit" prior to manifestation on the physical plane.

This is something my Dad talked to me about prior to His passing: LIVING among the Spiritually Dead.

In THIS lifetime, there are only a select FEW and it seems that it has been this way since the development of "High Culture".

How the west used religion against is a perfect example of what I mean. Our mundane intelligence should have told us something wasn’t right and deaded the whole thing from the jump. Dr. Chancellor Williams articulated it well in Destruction of Black Civilizations. We haven’t learned our lesson in 6000 years with Europeans. African spirituality does not work on mentalities. That’s its weakness. Only physical changes in lifestyle changes mentalities. There is no juju you can do to make Europeans wake up. The culture has been steady for over 6000 years. Killing some roosters ain’t going to change that. The Vietnamese, the Koreans, the Saudi’s and even the Japanese didn’t use their spirituality to keep Europe in check. They used their guns. Power respects power.

Spirituality is not meant to be an open thing. This is why it was called Shetaut Neter in Ta-Merri. It’s about being hidden. If it was meant to be an open system, God would have revealed all of the secrets of nature to everyone. But that’s not the case. It was done that way for a reason. European people have proven that you can’t give the knowledge to anyone. We didn’t even give them knowledge beyond the first 90 degrees, and look what damage they were able to do with it. Imagine them with more. Humanity is already at the brink of extinction.

But once again, as I have stated before, that is not the aim of spirituality. Spirituality is for the strengthening of family and health. This is the basis. Most of the stuff you see on Kemetic temples are about healing the body. You don’t need to go into a trance to love your sons and provide for your family. You don’t need to kill a goat to love your wife and raise righteous daughters. This is why when you go to Africa, the most knowledgeable priests are old on a farming picking yams. They have all this knowledge and can’t do nothing with it because it wasn’t meant for the masses. You are now back at the beginning.

Imagine being able to do what you want to do. Imagine being able in an instant to go anywhere you want in a second. At first it’s live, but after a while there is no fun in it. Any and everything you want at your finger tips. Sure walking through walls and being invisible is cool, but honestly, what can you do with it righteously? This is what African priests deal with.

All African spiritual systems come out of the systems in the Congo. No one system is the be all for all systems. The reason why Africa is in the state it is in is because it’s too spiritual. It doesn’t want to deal with the mundane aspects of life. I remember a time me and Malidoma Some was talking and he was talking about him being able to be invisible, walk through walls and dodge bullets. He has 3 master degrees and 2 Ph. D’s. But yet he hasn’t found a way to study how to make water pumps in his own society to bring them water? This is what I mean. You are supposed to come here and study piping, metal shaping, engineering and physics to be able to come home and teach your people how to create their own water wells and pumps and build from there. What good is spirituality if your continent is surrounded by water yet your people has no water? We need to wake up and handle our business and integrate spirituality with mundane knowledge and know how.

(OmowaleX) - "Education is not for the masses in Africa."

Historically, I agree, and find this unfortunate. However, it also goes to something I stated a while back concerning the ELITIST nature of this "mysticl tradition."

the african point of view is that life is a blessing, not a curse; that the gods need humans as much as humans need the gods, as imhotep06 has illustrated. thus, noone is being "held back" as you imply; as they are already blessed.

additionally, there is reincarnation; so you don't need to know everything in one shot. noone does.
ultimately, everyone plays their role.

contrast this to religious doctrines that teach that life is a curse; and that everyone should seek a path out. thus, withholding knowledge becomes some sort of antagonistic act; when really; knowledge is power and should only be wielded by the responsible who have proven themselves.

higher knowledge is for practical purposes, divination, healing...etc; and it is also empowering as it allows some amount of self-determination for the afterlife...etc.

it's amusingly arrogant for one to dictate what elders should teach them, or make available to them. one should prove themself worthy, as it is they are asking to be taught.

(imhotep06) - How the west used religion against is a perfect example of what I mean. Our mundane intelligence should have told us something wasn’t right and deaded the whole thing from the jump.

it's mainly the priests that understand the deepest symbolism of the teachings. thus, the meaning of things is lost over time once that priestly caste is gone.

if you take a people, enslave them, and colonize and rape the homeland...it becomes easier to adopt a european mindset and thus, european religion.

(imhotep06) - This is why when you go to Africa, the most knowledgeable priests are old on a farming picking yams. They have all this knowledge and can’t do nothing with it because it wasn’t meant for the masses. You are now back at the beginning.

getting back to the beginning is not surprising.
the european order has demonstrated itself to be unsustainable in the long run. the priests are biding their time. change takes time and patience.

(imhotep06) - The reason why Africa is in the state it is in is because it’s too spiritual. It doesn’t want to deal with the mundane aspects of life.

we know the time period when the mundane aspects were dealth with. the african system did not collapse under it's own weight, as european systems do. it was destroyed by outsiders.

(imhotep06) - yet he hasn’t found a way to study how to make water pumps in his own society to bring them water? This is what I mean. You are supposed to come here and study piping, metal shaping, engineering and physics to be able to come home and teach your people how to create their own water wells and pumps and build from there. What good is spirituality if your continent is surrounded by water yet your people has no water? We need to wake up and handle our business and integrate spirituality with mundane knowledge and know how.

ironically, many continental africans today are being spiritually deadened by the spread of christianity and islam.
you also have africans in the west that have been spiritually deadened by their colonizers; who can realize the types of effect you identify; once they reconnect with their origin. thus, it's really only a matter of time.

The only advice I can say is to think about what system attracts you the most. Study what you can in books. Ask the universe to send you a guide. When the student is ready, the teacher will come. Use the law of attraction. Declare it, believe and put the energy behind it and make it happen. Don't try and force it. It's a game of patience.

Just be sincere and ask your ancestors for guidence for the best path. Something specific appeals to you. Go find it. There are plenty of authentic teachers of various systems in the States. They would have to speak on your behalf.
much appreciated advice, as I am not familiar with Dr.Ben's work do you have any book recommendations by him (I do not expect to find any 'magic keys' or anything nor do I expect to comprehend all of it beyond a surface level)?

Personally, I wouldn't start with Dr. Ben unless you just want to learn about Kemetic histiography. But if you must, try and get a hold of a book called The African Called Rameses (The Great) II. Also pick up the classic Black Man of the Nile and his family.

But two books I recommend first are not by Dr. Ben. I would go with Dr. Naim Akbar's "Know Thyself" before anything. And then jump to African Cosmology of the Bantu-Kongo by Kimbwandende Kia Bunseki Fu-Kiau. These will give you a spiritual basis and cultural grounding for understanding the concepts of African spirituality and the purposes of Knowing who you are.

Personally, I wouldn't start with Dr. Ben unless you just want to learn about Kemetic histiography. But if you must, try and get a hold of a book called The African Called Rameses (The Great) II. Also pick up the classic Black Man of the Nile and his family.

But two books I recommend first are not by Dr. Ben. I would go with Dr. Naim Akbar's "Know Thyself" before anything. And then jump to African Cosmology of the Bantu-Kongo by Kimbwandende Kia Bunseki Fu-Kiau. These will give you a spiritual basis and cultural grounding for understanding the concepts of African spirituality and the purposes of Knowing who you are.
thank you very much...I needed some direction.

Personally, I wouldn't start with Dr. Ben unless you just want to learn about Kemetic histiography. But if you must, try and get a hold of a book called The African Called Rameses (The Great) II. Also pick up the classic Black Man of the Nile and his family.

But two books I recommend first are not by Dr. Ben. I would go with Dr. Naim Akbar's "Know Thyself" before anything. And then jump to African Cosmology of the Bantu-Kongo by Kimbwandende Kia Bunseki Fu-Kiau. These will give you a spiritual basis and cultural grounding for understanding the concepts of African spirituality and the purposes of Knowing who you are.

I had an old copy of Black Man in the Nile which I bought in the 70s and had to disgard it last year because the binding had deteriorated and it just fell apart. I sure miss that book. It was a massive contribution and it was from this source that I was impressed with Dr. Ben's breakdown comparing the attributes of Horus to Yeshua (Jesus).

(OmowaleX) - "Education is not for the masses in Africa."

Historically, I agree, and find this unfortunate. However, it also goes to something I stated a while back concerning the ELITIST nature of this "mysticl tradition."

the african point of view is that life is a blessing, not a curse; that the gods need humans as much as humans need the gods, as imhotep06 has illustrated. thus, noone is being "held back" as you imply; as they are already blessed.

additionally, there is reincarnation; so you don't need to know everything in one shot. noone does.
ultimately, everyone plays their role.

contrast this to religious doctrines that teach that life is a curse; and that everyone should seek a path out. thus, withholding knowledge becomes some sort of antagonistic act; when really; knowledge is power and should only be wielded by the responsible who have proven themselves.

higher knowledge is for practical purposes, divination, healing...etc; and it is also empowering as it allows some amount of self-determination for the afterlife...etc.

it's amusingly arrogant for one to dictate what elders should teach them, or make available to them. one should prove themself worthy, as it is they are asking to be taught.
Who said anything about dictating what elders should teach them?

Imhotep06, thanks for the responses.

They give good insight into your beliefs.

PEACE

The bolded portion is something profound as I have been having ideas as to how to create a 'system' of my own until the teacher arrives, but one thing that remains questionable is that as the more I study more I take and use more prinicples and practices from all over the world (Tibet, alot of asia,all across Afrika, and the indegenous peoples of Ta-meri-ka).

Regardlesss of such, I need some assistance as to the functioning while in a meditative state in which I weave back and forth,muscles jerk, and I almost fall out of my chair, I have tried to 'think' in this state but every time I get there it does not occur.I know this is off topic so I am just throwing it out there.How can I use this state to prepare me for reaching the 'pinnacle' via community service that so many ancient (and 'modern') people are after?


In spite of what was in the prev. posts the 'Medu Neter' is by far the best eye opener I ever read. But the only prob I discovered with some people is that they really didn't want to open up their eyes and take the time to understand what they were reading. The concepts in RUNA's books unlocks or for a better term helps you see what you unconsciously already know. As opposed to waiting for a teacher , learn to manifest the supreme knowledge within. The beautiful thing about knowledge is once you know ...you know, so no matter what anybody says you see what's inline with what you 'know' and what isn't. For example if you came to understand what the area of any square was (360) on your own due to the fact ever since you were a child you helped to make tools of measurement like the various types of Rulers Protractors, Triangles, and Corner Squares and other tools people use for work and school, and you heard someone say 'some squares long ago were different and and had less degrees. You would know due to your experience that the statement was false. If that person told you that Einstien even said that in one of his books and they actually showed you the book and you read it your self. You would have to come to the conclusion that maybe Einstien wasn't so smart. Because of your experience you would intuitively have a vast of knowledge that others would not realise unless they went to school for it and even then, without the experience you have, they can easily be swayed to conflicting info. What RUNA's books give me are labels to things I already know and also expand that knowlege based on what I know. So if I (me being that person with the experience of making the various measuring tools) know a square is always 360 degrees know matter what shape it is, and someone says you know a triangle is always 180 degrees I would have said now why didn't I think of that . Now I knew triangles were half of squares I just never had to relate these 2 things together before. I know what that person said was true based on the knowledge I was already conscious of. So I don't even need to ask if he had a PHD in the subject he spoke about, that person could have just came home from jail it wouldn't matter. Which is the case with Ra Un Nefer Amen (RUNA)

{please don't think I'm implying he just came home jail :)} .

Who he studied with and where he's been is mute to me. Now there are things in his books I don't know about because I havn't experienced that concept of knowledge yet but I'm getting there. What's important is I know what I know and know the difference between that which comes into conflict with what I know and the things that don't. The things that dont conflict with what I know but I also don't have the experience to realize its truth I must research. If I believe that info is worth my time as oppose to what is useful of my time. I could tell you that in the near future that beams of light will be a major source of communication and entertainment. You could take the time to do the research or just wait to see if I'm telling the truth. But unless that statement is of some kind of use to you (maybe you want to get a job in that field or just heard or read about that somewhere else) Use the the time you spend on your quest for knowledge to things that gonna help you enhance your life. Don't forget the goal in life is to be happy. I think that is a truth we should all expand on

Peace 2 times

In spite of what was in the prev. posts the 'Medu Neter' is by far the best eye opener I ever read. But the only prob I discovered with some people is that they really didn't want to open up their eyes and take the time to understand what they were reading. The concepts in RUNA's books unlocks or for a better term helps you see what you unconsciously already know. As opposed to waiting for a teacher , learn to manifest the supreme knowledge within. The beautiful thing about knowledge is once you know ...you know, so no matter what anybody says you see what's inline with what you 'know' and what isn't. For example if you came to understand what the area of any square was (360) on your own due to the fact ever since you were a child you helped to make tools of measurement like the various types of Rulers Protractors, Triangles, and Corner Squares and other tools people use for work and school, and you heard someone say 'some squares long ago were different and and had less degrees. You would know due to your experience that the statement was false. If that person told you that Einstien even said that in one of his books and they actually showed you the book and you read it your self. You would have to come to the conclusion that maybe Einstien wasn't so smart. Because of your experience you would intuitively have a vast of knowledge that others would not realise unless they went to school for it and even then, without the experience you have, they can easily be swayed to conflicting info. What RUNA's books give me are labels to things I already know and also expand that knowlege based on what I know. So if I (me being that person with the experience of making the various measuring tools) know a square is always 360 degrees know matter what shape it is, and someone says you know a triangle is always 180 degrees I would have said now why didn't I think of that . Now I knew triangles were half of squares I just never had to relate these 2 things together before. I know what that person said was true based on the knowledge I was already conscious of. So I don't even need to ask if he had a PHD in the subject he spoke about, that person could have just came home from jail it wouldn't matter. Which is the case with Ra Un Nefer Amen (RUNA)

{please don't think I'm implying he just came home jail :)} .

Who he studied with and where he's been is mute to me. Now there are things in his books I don't know about because I havn't experienced that concept of knowledge yet but I'm getting there. What's important is I know what I know and know the difference between that which comes into conflict with what I know and the things that don't. The things that dont conflict with what I know but I also don't have the experience to realize its truth I must research. If I believe that info is worth my time as oppose to what is useful of my time. I could tell you that in the near future that beams of light will be a major source of communication and entertainment. You could take the time to do the research or just wait to see if I'm telling the truth. But unless that statement is of some kind of use to you (maybe you want to get a job in that field or just heard or read about that somewhere else) Use the the time you spend on your quest for knowledge to things that gonna help you enhance your life. Don't forget the goal in life is to be happy. I think that is a truth we should all expand on

Peace 2 times

This is PEACE hiphopolx.

Thanks for the read....

In spite of what was in the prev. posts the 'Medu Neter' is by far the best eye opener I ever read. But the only prob I discovered with some people is that they really didn't want to open up their eyes and take the time to understand what they were reading. The concepts in RUNA's books unlocks or for a better term helps you see what you unconsciously already know. As opposed to waiting for a teacher , learn to manifest the supreme knowledge within. The beautiful thing about knowledge is once you know ...you know, so no matter what anybody says you see what's inline with what you 'know' and what isn't. For example if you came to understand what the area of any square was (360) on your own due to the fact ever since you were a child you helped to make tools of measurement like the various types of Rulers Protractors, Triangles, and Corner Squares and other tools people use for work and school, and you heard someone say 'some squares long ago were different and and had less degrees. You would know due to your experience that the statement was false. If that person told you that Einstien even said that in one of his books and they actually showed you the book and you read it your self. You would have to come to the conclusion that maybe Einstien wasn't so smart. Because of your experience you would intuitively have a vast of knowledge that others would not realise unless they went to school for it and even then, without the experience you have, they can easily be swayed to conflicting info. What RUNA's books give me are labels to things I already know and also expand that knowlege based on what I know. So if I (me being that person with the experience of making the various measuring tools) know a square is always 360 degrees know matter what shape it is, and someone says you know a triangle is always 180 degrees I would have said now why didn't I think of that . Now I knew triangles were half of squares I just never had to relate these 2 things together before. I know what that person said was true based on the knowledge I was already conscious of. So I don't even need to ask if he had a PHD in the subject he spoke about, that person could have just came home from jail it wouldn't matter. Which is the case with Ra Un Nefer Amen (RUNA)

{please don't think I'm implying he just came home jail :)} .

Who he studied with and where he's been is mute to me. Now there are things in his books I don't know about because I havn't experienced that concept of knowledge yet but I'm getting there. What's important is I know what I know and know the difference between that which comes into conflict with what I know and the things that don't. The things that dont conflict with what I know but I also don't have the experience to realize its truth I must research. If I believe that info is worth my time as oppose to what is useful of my time. I could tell you that in the near future that beams of light will be a major source of communication and entertainment. You could take the time to do the research or just wait to see if I'm telling the truth. But unless that statement is of some kind of use to you (maybe you want to get a job in that field or just heard or read about that somewhere else) Use the the time you spend on your quest for knowledge to things that gonna help you enhance your life. Don't forget the goal in life is to be happy. I think that is a truth we should all expand on

Peace 2 times

Yeah...Have to say "TuaU Neter" for the Paut Neteru Via *Metu Neter*. I use to pride myself on questioning everything too (8th sphere sebek) Now sometimes it's hard for me to use "The Mortal Language" to right and exact my thoughts because it *Feels* like (at its base) the language only serves the mind of the seasoned mechanist with his lengthy syllogisms and Cronos complex. So I find myself wanting to say "My Person" because SELF is always communicating even in utter stillness 0. Exemplifying the Two Truths, not as a philosophical endeaver but a programming language, in every arena of life is stultifying to the feeble intellect. I met my wife (of 11 years) at the same time I started working Metu Neter and was struggling to "open the way" for the SON. There IS no difference in the two. Meri Tu Maat

(imhotep06) - For one, you wouldn't call Ta-Merri Kmt all of the time and he wouldn't be considered a "kemetic" priest. Most people don't know the real science behind the word or even when the name came into existence in Africa.

that's pretty interesting. ironically depressing; depending on how you look at it.

@ Nibs

What people don't realize is that parts of the Shetaut Neter are still living systems in Africa and if you join some of those systems, you will get a piece of the puzzle which is Ta-Merry. But the people calling it /Kmt/ hasn't read the literature. Kmt was an idea and that's why it was used in religious text, not so much governmental documents. Kmt has to deal with the creative aspect of blackness, carbon atoms, alchemy and the extraction of metals from caves and what not. It is so much to the word. I will post a seperate post for Blackness in other African languages.

@ Nibs

What people don't realize is that parts of the Shetaut Neter are still living systems in Africa and if you join some of those systems, you will get a piece of the puzzle which is Ta-Merry. But the people calling it /Kmt/ hasn't read the literature. Kmt was an idea and that's why it was used in religious text, not so much governmental documents. Kmt has to deal with the creative aspect of blackness, carbon atoms, alchemy and the extraction of metals from caves and what not. It is so much to the word. I will post a seperate post for Blackness in other African languages.


This is true which is why I have especially resisted using "Kemet" as a designation for ALL of Africa or the Nile Valley High Cultures.

This is also why I have always asked for specific written texts from ANTIQUITY that referred to the PEOPLE as "kemetic".

(OmowaleX) - This is also why I have always asked for specific written texts from ANTIQUITY that referred to the PEOPLE as "kemetic".

kemetic was not used.
kammau - was used, it can be seen in writings from the 18th dynasty.

(OmowaleX) - This is also why I have always asked for specific written texts from ANTIQUITY that referred to the PEOPLE as "kemetic".

kemetic was not used.
kammau - was used, it can be seen in writings from the 18th dynasty.
As we see kammau is quite different than kemet or kemit.

"kammau == i am [from?] kam; i am black"

also, it would be kammau & kamit or kemmau and kemet...the glyphs agree and it's the same root word in both.

EN ANKH HEH SHEM HOTEPU to all:

I have been a practicioner of Kemetian Theology for over a decade, in junction with other similar spiritual systems.

The 2 most prominent Kemetic organizations in the African Spiritual Community are the SEMA Institute led by Sebahy Muata Ashby, and the Ausar/Auset Society led by Sheqhem Ur Sheqhem Ra Un Nefer Amen.

I was wondering if there are any members of Destee that are members of either (or both) Societies.

As for myself, I am a student of both systems.

My studies of both systems have led me to understand that the theologies of both are slightly different, though not at all opposing to one another.

Amen's teachings of Metu Neter ("Divine Wisdom") are based on Ausarian Theology, whilst Ashby's teachings of Shetaut Neter ("Divine Mysteries") are based on Anunian Theology.

Both systems have their foundation in the PA'UT NETER (Tree Of Life, or Pantheon of Deities), though the positioning of the deities for each system is slightly different.

In my understanding, this is not a discrepancy on either part of each teacher, as both the Anunian and Ausarian Theologies were in practice simultaneously in Kemet during ancient times.

It should be seen as a different discipline of science (Astronomy in comparison to Astrology), rather than a contradiction of each other; both utilize the principle aspect to express ultimately the same understanding.

Personally, I find the Ausarian Theology of Metu Neter to be more beneficial on a practical level (God in Self), while the Anunian Theology gives great understanding to the cosmology of the Universe (God In the Universe).

Anyways, that's my perspective in a nutshell, and I was just wondering about the perspectives of others:

How long have you studied and/or been a member of either Society?

What prompted you to join other one?

What have you learned about Kemetic culture during this time?

If you are a member of one Society, what is your perspective regarding the other?

HOTEPU


Does this have anything to with freemason ?

Does this have anything to with freemason ?

A better question would be: Does so-called freemasonry have anything to with these?

A better question would be: Does so-called freemasonry have anything to with these?




Is there a diffrent if so can you explain the diffrent ?

Hetep,

Brother, I was confused by certain of your claims. Could you please elaborate?

You know who was given permission to teach by what they teach and how they set-up their methodology for teaching. The elders in Sudan would never call it Ausar Aset Society.

Which elders are these, and does Ra Un Nefer Amen trace his priesthood back to these elders?

It wouldn’t be a public thing, because it’s not a public thing back home.

As far as I know, in Kamit, the priesthood was instrumental in shaping the public life. And as far as the deeper levels of priesthood *are* concerned, you would have to know how the AAS operates to understand that there are levels to the priesthood which aren't public.

Are you familiar with the Ausar Auset Society hierarchy and levels of initiation?

African people don’t believe in educating the masses. Education is not for the masses in Africa.

Would you say that Ra Un Nefer Amen's books were aimed at "the masses", or that each had target audiences?

God as pure spirit is Chaos – energy probagating in one direction.

Can you please define "pure spirit" for me, brother?

Hetep.

http://rootsandrooted.org/ausar_auset.htm
The Ausar Auset Society is a Pan African Religious organization founded in 1973. As Legend would have it, Ra Un Nefer Amen developed a congenial relationship with Oba Adefunmi and began to consult the Ifa Oracle through the Oba for the purpose of organizing the spiritual experiences and messages he was clearly receiving from the Spiritual realm. Those consultations shaped some early organizational structure and comparative religious studies that resulted in the Society. Again, as legend would have it, a small group of Orisa priests (Ol'Orisa) were beseeched by Kemetic Sheps (Ancestors) to assist Amen in the establishment of what most consider the only legitimate revival of Egyptian spirituality outside of the relatively underground Nubian community that survives in North Africa. They helped develop and train the core group of original Society priests. Prior to this tradition, some say that Ra Un Nefer Amen was the former head of the Rosicrucian Anthroposophical League.

@Anuk Asar

1). Ra Un Nefer doesn't trace his tradition to the people of Ta-Merri. One thing about Africa, and anyone who is a practicioner of African spirituality knows that you are brought in under a lineage. It is no different in East Africa. Like I said in an earlier post, he studied Ifa and Hinduism and made a combination system and applied it to "what is known" about Ta-Merrian spirituality.

2). This is how we know he wasn't in contact with the brothers in the Nile Valley. The main reason they are "underground" NOW, as the priests say, is because Km.t was a mistake. Their knowledge and "showing" off is what got them in trouble. They said they won't make that mistake again. Any teachers of the African spiritual systems of Ta-Merry were initiated on the continent, and given persmission to teach the "minimal" things here. Such teachers are Dr. Ben, Dr. Buseki Fu-Kiau, Naba Lamoussa Morodenibig, Dr. Malidoma Some, to name a few, and others you will NEVER hear of.

Ra Un Nefer is an Ifa priest. Ifa was ONE branch in the system: not the system itself. The system now is a spread out system. When I study under various priests in the Akan, Ba'Ntu or Zulu systems, the links to Ta-Merri in the teachings are undeniable. They all relate and have a piece of the puzzle that is missing in any Egyptology book. These same references are missing in Ra Un Nefers work as well. How he even pronounces the names of the Ntr's are wrong. The same with the "Hekaus." Anyone studying the above mentioned systems will recognize what I'm talking about.

I'm not saying his efforts aren't valued or totally misplaced. What I'm saying is that what he is teaching is not what they teach in Africa regarding THE system. They are quiet about it in Africa as not to draw attention to themselves. To say that he is the ONLY person outside of Africa who is bringing "authentic" Kemetic spirituality is bull. MTah wasn't a singular system. The Dogon is one branch, the Zulu is another branch, Ifa is one branch, the Obosom system is one branch, the KiKongo system is one branch, etc. If you are talking about being initiated in a system from East Africa, you have to go visit the priests there: there are no exceptions. They only take people in every 5 or 6 years. This is why people study Ifa, The Obosom system and Vodun, because you can get some of the teachings earlier than you can in the system still present in the Nile Valley. They STILL practice it like it was done before and it is a 40 years system.

3). Yes RUNA's books were aimed at the masses. He attempts to explain phenomena through his books which are reserved for initiation. His work is good for comparative studies. But to get the gist of what Ta-Merrian spirituality is, you need to study human anatomy, herbology, geology, and astronomy. If you don't know what body parts Heru, Het-Heru, Djehuti, etc. are, you are missing the boat. The crown of upper Egypt is oxygen. The red crown of lower Egypt is blood. The story of the "Sma Twi" is an allegory of how important the fusion of oxygen with blood is critical for the breathing process. Health is what's hidden in the stories. If you start to understand the little I've exposed, then you'll begin to understand what is going on in Kmt. You can't get that in a book.

4). Pure spirit is energy without recognizable form, Nun (chaotic, undeferientiated matter). When we talk about energy probagating in one direction, we are talking about energy that is not reflective and conscious of its activities. Only through reflection and purpose are things in "harmony." If there is no ebb and flow of energy, there is no order. When we talk about something being chaotic here in America, we use an example like a man on a shooting spree at a local high school. His energy is going in one direction. His actions doesn't reflect back at him as something is wrong; he just keeps going forward destroying everything in its path.

This is how energy works (just like lightening). Until it has parameters and direction (purpose) it is chaotic. That's why humanity is the better half of God. This is the symbolism of the old and new testaments of the Bible. God in the old testament could give a rats *** about people. It just killed for the hell of it. But in the New Testament, when he allegedly became flesh, then God began to learn mercy and compassion. Only through being human (a self reflective life force) is energy/spirit able to understand itself and dwell in harmony.

Know the difference in 'studing the path' and 'walking the path'. Alot of ppl here seem to be masters of history(accounts from some other historians perspective) . But seem to fall short applying wisdom.

Namaste'

This question is Little of topic....During my recent trip to the British Museum, while observing the statues of ancient queens, kings, Gods and Goddesses of Egypt...i notice all of them placed their left foot forward...even when in sitting positions.....can anyone explain the significance of this?.....my speculation would be perhaps they felt the the left side is the good side ( the heart) however, for those who are familiar with African culture, the left side is considered the bad side...it is extremely disrespectfully to greet someone or receive something from someone with your left hand.....so I'm kinda confused here......

Nibs you seem to quiet knowledgeable regarding the ancients, what is your take on this?

@ Amnat

You have to understand the kiKongo Ba'Ntu people's concept of the "V." When you walk, your legs make a "V" shape. If you are able to do that, then you are "alive," you have the energy to move and make things happen. It carried on into the Nile Valley. If the statues are of "Pharaohs" or Priests, and the left foot is forward, then that means the statue was constructed during their life time, while they were alive. If the feet are together, then that means they were decest during construction or by completion.

It means something totally different if it is a Ntr. It is code, just like in Masonry of how their statues are depicted. You just have to be in a certain level of the priesthood to know.

@ Amnat

You have to understand the kiKongo Ba'Ntu people's concept of the "V." When you walk, your legs make a "V" shape. If you are able to do that, then you are "alive," you have the energy to move and make things happen. It carried on into the Nile Valley. If the statues are of "Pharaohs" or Priests, and the left foot is forward, then that means the statue was constructed during their life time, while they were alive. If the feet are together, then that means they were decest during construction or by completion.

It means something totally different if it is a Ntr. It is code, just like in Masonry of how their statues are depicted. You just have to be in a certain level of the priesthood to know.

Ah...makes sense..thanks imhotep06

@ Amnat

You have to understand the kiKongo Ba'Ntu people's concept of the "V." When you walk, your legs make a "V" shape. If you are able to do that, then you are "alive," you have the energy to move and make things happen. It carried on into the Nile Valley. If the statues are of "Pharaohs" or Priests, and the left foot is forward, then that means the statue was constructed during their life time, while they were alive. If the feet are together, then that means they were decest during construction or by completion.

It means something totally different if it is a Ntr. It is code, just like in Masonry of how their statues are depicted. You just have to be in a certain level of the priesthood to know.

Namaste' imhotep06

Are you saying that the Kikongo Bantu are older than Kemetiens?....the origins of Kikongo Bantu is Central Africa...Congo isn't it?

Your KiKongo (Twa) and Khoison of south Africa are your oldest people PERIOD. They weren't originally located in the Kongo. They migrated their. Everyone is from East Africa (Kenya, Uganda, Punt, etc.). These are the ones who started the traditions. If you want to "understand" Kemetic philosophy, you have to understand the Twa and Khoison of Central and South Africa respectively. They are the seed cultures. Kemet is one of the last great civilizations in Africa, not the first. Everything didn't start in Kemet. They just expressed the ideology more through art and architecture. But the symbolisms and philosophy come from the Twa. Any priests in East Africa will tell you this. This is why they had to have a person from the Twa in all of their courts. They serve a higher purpose than what most people think.

To your first question yes, how can you tell? You can’t. How am I privy to who has been given permission to teach? The elders in Africa will tell you. You know who was given permission to teach by what they teach and how they set-up their methodology for teaching. The elders in Sudan would never call it Ausar Aset Society. It wouldn’t be a public thing, because it’s not a public thing back home. That’s how you can tell if it is a based on authentic initiation, or was this something he developed based upon his own research of books. African people don’t believe in educating the masses. Education is not for the masses in Africa.

My reasoning for saying that our aim is not to become too spiritual, is because of the basis of all African spiritual myths. The various myths tell us that God in its perfection, realizing that because it had no way of knowing itself, was in fact imperfect. This is why he created this world to experience itself (all possibilities). This is why you’ll here brothers like Dr. Ben or Baba James Smalls saying, “I am God having a human experience.” Most if not all African systems believe in reincarnation; that the spirit existed before the body. If you were already in the spiritual realm as pure spirit, why would you come here? Obviously being pure spirit was not what it was cracked up to be. So you came here to experience and learn true knowledge (experience). Human beings are the better half of God. God cannot experience itself. It is mechanical.

This is the essence of the Matrix movie. God represents the machine world. The machines were evolving to becoming more human. Humanity represents the synthesis of spirit and matter and consciousness. You work to better fuse the 3 and become better entities. You can’t get there trying to be in a trance all day and go to outer space. The measure of a civilization is how creative and effective they are at solving their problems. The same can be seen between God in the Old Testament and the New. In the Old, God was unfeeling, non-caring and a destructive force. Only when God became “flesh” did we see a more compassionate entity concerned with the welfare of humanity (although it is contradicted in revelations). God as pure spirit is Chaos – energy probagating in one direction. Humanity allows God to look back at its origins and give existence meaning. Because we are divided (differentiated matter) we can reflect light and perceive objects and phenomena. The supreme consciousness is only aware of being consciousness. Feedback and reflection is the crux of spirituality and God can’t do that where it rest as pure spirit.


I will answer the second half of your question in another post below.


uhmmmm....something in this statement, goes against my spirit....if your assertion is true, what is the purpose of TEHUTI?....what was the reason behind the ancients building one of the greatest libary in the world: In TIMBUKTU ?

Regardless if they had libraries, or a mythological figure to represent logic, writing and form, education on the highest levels was reserved for intiates. That's just how it's been.

African people have never believed information should be given freely out unless you have proven yourself mature enough to use the information for good. This is why it took Pythagorus 16 years to get into the system in Egypt and another 22 years to complete (in which he still didn't get all of the information). The same with the authors of the Pale Fox. They went through the same process (16 years before getting into the system of the Dogon).

In Egypt, Ethopia and Sudan, the education system was a 40 year system. Only after you completed the 40 years did you gain higher knowledge (Divination tools and possession techniques). In Ifa it is taught earlier. That's where the systems split. But even then, you don't learn much until you are an elder and proficient in the system.

All indigenous systems are of a secret nature. The higher knowledge only reserved for exceptional students. The masses get general education. The real stuff is reserved for initiates.

Regardless if they had libraries, or a mythological figure to represent logic, writing and form, education on the highest levels was reserved for intiates. That's just how it's been.

African people have never believed information should be given freely out unless you have proven yourself mature enough to use the information for good. This is why it took Pythagorus 16 years to get into the system in Egypt and another 22 years to complete (in which he still didn't get all of the information). The same with the authors of the Pale Fox. They went through the same process (16 years before getting into the system of the Dogon).

In Egypt, Ethopia and Sudan, the education system was a 40 year system. Only after you completed the 40 years did you gain higher knowledge (Divination tools and possession techniques). In Ifa it is taught earlier. That's where the systems split. But even then, you don't learn much until you are an elder and proficient in the system.

All indigenous systems are of a secret nature. The higher knowledge only reserved for exceptional students. The masses get general education. The real stuff is reserved for initiates.


So why the they carve everything in stone?(rituals, stories of Gods and Goddesses e.t.c) why was the rosestta stone made?

This one of the reasons why i do not follow ANY FORM or organized religion....what is purspose, if it only serves to enlighten a select few...this of course is if your assertions are true.....

my favorite quote form Gibran has always been "do not say you have found the truth, but say you have found a truth'

For one, the masses couldn't read. Not until the early 1900's in the US, could the masses of ANY country read.

What you see as a "comprehensive" text are just mnemonic devices to recall longer stories not written in stone.

It's very logical though the process. We gave Europeans half of a fraction of the knowledge we had and look what happened. This is why you don't educate the masses on everything. People don't know what to do with the information.

For one, the masses couldn't read. Not until the early 1900's in the US, could the masses of ANY country read.

What you see as a "comprehensive" text are just mnemonic devices to recall longer stories not written in stone.

It's very logical though the process. We gave Europeans half of a fraction of the knowledge we had and look what happened. This is why you don't educate the masses on everything. People don't know what to do with the information.

African people don’t believe in educating the masses. Education is not for the masses in Africa.
I assumed you were referring( the masses) to African people, certainly not Europeans....i though you meant deciphering the teachings of kemet is not meant for the layman e.g farmers, people that were not in the religious sect....i was no way referring to Europeans

Originally Posted by imhotep06
"God as pure spirit is Chaos – energy probagating in one direction."

I just took out this small sentence because it's the only thing I wanted to comment on

As far as pure Chaos....In a reality of just pure chaos there is absolutly nothing going on except consciousness. so there is nothing moving in any directon. Movement consists of matter traveling in reference to at least 1 reference point. In a reality with no matter or an infinte of the same matter there's no time or space . This may seem to have no relevence. But when you speak of God scientifically or other words truthfully you should 'know' this

other wise you run the mistake of thinking Of your creator with your own physical attributes

@Amnat

It includes African people as well. Not all people in the society are prevy to the knowledge of the elders. You have to prove yourself worthy of having certain information. It doesn't matter if you're European or African. You have general education for the main functioning of the society, and then you have the sacred teachings only reserved for initiates.



@ HopHOp

You forget that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form; which means it is constantly moving. This is the Ptah, Amen, Ra coming from the primordial matter. Since "energy" has always been here, it has always been moving. There was never a time of stillness. All African myths speak of this (Nwn)

Only when this energy took form did balance and order come into play. Reflection is a prerequisite for order. IF there is nothing to bounce information off of, it's chaos. This universe lives based on the Feedback loop principle.

@Amnat

It includes African people as well. Not all people in the society are prevy to the knowledge of the elders. You have to prove yourself worthy of having certain information. It doesn't matter if you're European or African. You have general education for the main functioning of the society, and then you have the sacred teachings only reserved for initiates.

@ HopHOp

You forget that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form; which means it is constantly moving. This is the Ptah, Amen, Ra coming from the primordial matter. Since "energy" has always been here, it has always been moving. There was never a time of stillness. All African myths speak of this (Nwn)

Only when this energy took form did balance and order come into play. Reflection is a prerequisite for order. IF there is nothing to bounce information off of, it's chaos. This universe lives based on the Feedback loop principle.

So what good those that do for a community? what good those it do for me, when another tells me my race/color is inferior; or that i was cursed by God...if i do not posses the knowledge: the Divine is within me, and always walks with me; for the creator is NEVER separated from its creation..if i was not given this knowledge would I not be lead like sheep to slaughter?

Especially since the ones that make these assertions are the ones in power

And what then was the purpose of the two forms of writings in Kemet?
hieroglyphic inscription( pictures) and Meriotic writing ( cursive)

So what good those that do for a community? what good those it do for me, when another tells me my race/color is inferior; or that i was cursed by God...if i do not posses the knowledge: the Divine is within me, and always walks with me; for the creator is NEVER separated from its creation..if i was not given this knowledge would I not be lead like sheep to slaughter?

Especially since the ones that make these assertions are the ones in power

And what then was the purpose of the two forms of writings in Kemet?
hieroglyphic inscription( pictures) and Meriotic writing ( cursive)

Nicely put, and that was a good analogy :)

@Amnat

It includes African people as well. Not all people in the society are prevy to the knowledge of the elders. You have to prove yourself worthy of having certain information. It doesn't matter if you're European or African. You have general education for the main functioning of the society, and then you have the sacred teachings only reserved for initiates.



@ HopHOp

You forget that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form; which means it is constantly moving. This is the Ptah, Amen, Ra coming from the primordial matter. Since "energy" has always been here, it has always been moving. There was never a time of stillness. All African myths speak of this (Nwn)

Only when this energy took form did balance and order come into play. Reflection is a prerequisite for order. IF there is nothing to bounce information off of, it's chaos. This universe lives based on the Feedback loop principle.
lol
The old " energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form"
saying.
How can I forget that. I believe most ppl here heard of this which is why I find this funny that you should say this. It sounds like your reaching, by writing a popular quote ...... no offense, but at the end of this you wrote,
" which means it is constantly moving"
Now 'energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form' does not mean(equal) 'it is constantly moving' I can help you understand If you try and visualize this ......

A reality where there isn't anything nothing. Ok now try of thinking how you could change this. There is nothing to add up nothing to subtract nothing to multiply and nothing to divide. How can anything move if there is no things to move? You can't do it.

Now on the other end of the spectrum a reality of an infinite amount of just one thing and this thing is water. The same scenario as above will apply. A infinite amount of water added to it's self is still just '1' infinte amount of water. The same thing happens trying to subtract, multiply etc..... this is another scenario where mathmatics and our other physical laws just can't apply. There is no other reference point because all there is is just water so how can any say this water is in constant motion .....you can't, because 2 things are needed, The 1 thing moving and the thing that is the reference point.
now replace water with consciousness and maybe this might help you see (understand) what I'm saying

peace

Oh and based on what i wrote above is the reason why we are all 'one' consciously. I didn't just figure this out It seems our ancesters logically came to this conclusion too

HETEP,

1). Ra Un Nefer doesn't trace his tradition to the people of Ta-Merri.

Here, you need to be more clear. Are you saying that the Elders about which you speak are Ta-Merrian?

Like I said in an earlier post, he studied Ifa and Hinduism and made a combination system and applied it to "what is known" about Ta-Merrian spirituality.

And this statement, you are basing on a statement he personally made?

2). This is how we know he wasn't in contact with the brothers in the [/FONT]Nile Valley. The main reason they are "underground" NOW, as the priests say, is because Km.t was a mistake. Their knowledge and "showing" off is what got them in trouble. They said they won't make that mistake again.

If this is the case, then where can I find, for example, a statement from Dr. Ben to that effect? Where can I go to undergo the initiation which you've mentioned?

Any teachers of the African spiritual systems of Ta-Merry were initiated on the continent, and given persmission to teach the "minimal" things here. Such teachers are Dr. Ben, Dr. Buseki Fu-Kiau, Naba Lamoussa Morodenibig, Dr. Malidoma Some, to name a few, and others you will NEVER hear of.

Clarify for me, because I haven't read his works in quite some time. When and where was Dr. Ben initiated, and how long before this had he been teaching on the subject of KMT?

Where does the above question, about a statement mirroring that of Dr. Ben's, fit into the above?

Ra Un Nefer is an Ifa priest.

I'm not sure about the historicity of that comment. Can you name a source for this claim?

These same references are missing in Ra Un Nefers work as well. How he even pronounces the names of the Ntr's are wrong. The same with the "Hekaus." Anyone studying the above mentioned systems will recognize what I'm talking about.

Can you give examples of the correct pronunciation of the names of the Neteru, and also, of the Hekau?

To say that he is the ONLY person outside of Africa who is bringing "authentic" Kemetic spirituality is bull.

Who made this claim in specific?

If you are talking about being initiated in a system from East Africa, you have to go visit the priests there: there are no exceptions. They only take people in every 5 or 6 years. This is why people study Ifa, The Obosom system and Vodun, because you can get some of the teachings earlier than you can in the system still present in the Nile Valley[FONT=Arial]. They STILL practice it like it was done before and it is a 40 years system.

Where can you go for the above-mentioned initiation? Have you been initiated for 40 years in one of these systems?

3). Yes RUNA's books were aimed at the masses.

Pardon my incredulity. We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

He attempts to explain phenomena through his books which are reserved for initiation.

I don't understand your syntax here. Are you saying that the "phenomena" themselves are reserved for initiation, or just the explanation about the phenomena?

His work is good for comparative studies. But to get the gist of what Ta-Merrian spirituality is, you need to study human anatomy, herbology, geology, and astronomy. If you don't know what body parts Heru, Het-Heru, Djehuti, etc. are, you are missing the boat. The crown of upper Egypt is oxygen. The red crown of lower Egypt is blood. The story of the "Sma Twi" is an allegory of how important the fusion of oxygen with blood is critical for the breathing process. Health is what's hidden in the stories. If you start to understand the little I've exposed, then you'll begin to understand what is going on in Kmt. You can't get that in a book.

Do you mind my asking where you got it from?

HETEP.

(ANUK_AUSAR)

1). Ra Un Nefer doesn't trace his tradition to the people of Ta-Merri.

Here, you need to be more clear. Are you saying that the Elders about which you speak are Ta-Merrian?

Like I said in an earlier post, he studied Ifa and Hinduism and made a combination system and applied it to "what is known" about Ta-Merrian spirituality.

And this statement, you are basing on a statement he personally made?

runa essentially states this in the metu neter, page 38.
he states that he relies on the surviving works on ausar, + his knowledge of hinduism + yoruba. (also canaan + the kabbalah)
runa states that the ausar auset society priesthood has created a syncretism of all the great black civilizations (sumer/indus valley/kemet/canaan/yoruba). this is also touched on on page 37.

My assertion is the Paut Neteru speaks for itself and most initiates Of AAS will attest to that. In seeking a common ground or syncretization, I agree, one shouldn't minimize the profundity and methodical process that is outlined via authentic forms of traditionalism.Traditionalist should be warned of asigning certain *Key* characteristics to a process that is only used in the service of *Opening the way* to that which is neither this ,This , nor THIS.

Anuk Ausar

Nice Post!

If I am reading this right then some say the Old testament (amongst other things) is afrikan history,but one thing that puzzles me is how we seperate what is left of the original doctrine from what was added in some time later...we must not forget that there was far more diversity (in a cultural and ideological sense) in those times than there is today (or so it seems)....so with all of the languages that those writings must have gone through...How do we 'know' what is the original and what is false using physical research only (ie 'concrete evidence',lol at the term)? Or can we only speculate?

other than that this thread has alot of :read: :read: :read: that is very valuable to me as a student of many of you.

If I am reading this right then some say the Old testament (amongst other things) is afrikan history,but one thing that puzzles me is how we seperate what is left of the original doctrine from what was added in some time later...we must not forget that there was far more diversity (in a cultural and ideological sense) in those times than there is today (or so it seems)....so with all of the languages that those writings must have gone through...How do we 'know' what is the original and what is false using physical research only (ie 'concrete evidence',lol at the term)? Or can we only speculate?

other than that this thread has alot of :read: :read: :read: that is very valuable to me as a student of many of you.


Brother I-khan, you raise some good points and it is my OPINION that "we can only speculate" and this is what leads to many viewpoints such as "Jesus was Nebuchednezzar" or "Moses was Akhenaten", none of which any of us can prove, or disprove.


Peace...

There is a sect of so-called "KEMETIC teachings" known as the KEMETIC ORTHODOXY.

This is the biggest sham the world has ever known.

It is ran by this over-weight White woman. In fact, it is chock-full of sweaty, overweight white people, and other wayward weirdos with a passing obsession of "EGYPT".

Don't take my word for it, see for yourself:

http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/aad.jpg

http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/aaf.jpg

http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/aai.jpg

There is nothing African-oriented about this group whatsoever.

This is their website: http://www.kemet.org/home.html

Listen to the non-sense that they teach:

Glossary of the Names

"Netjer," a Kemetic word meaning "divine power," is the One Self-Created Deity which manifests in myriads of forms, which we call Names (Kemetic Orthodoxy is a monolatry, a specialized form of polytheism that is NOT monotheism -- see the "What is Kemetic Orthodoxy?" page for more information). The actual number of Names, sometimes more simply (but misleadingly) called "gods" and "goddesses," figures in the thousands. This glossary is a detailed listing of the most common Names and includes the most accurate information possible regarding Them. The Kemetic Orthodox approximation of how the Name would be pronounced is included, along with the mainstream spellings.

This is as wrong as a thong on a fat broad. :puke2:

Speaking of "fat broad", this is their leader:

http://www.kemet.org/images/hemet_flags.jpg

A fat, funky, sweaty white woman, that has other fat, funky sweaty white devils and a few ignorant Blacks praying to her:

http://www.kemet.org/images/blessing_imyseta.jpg

Also:
http://www.kemet.org/clergy.html

Why the hell are these people calling themselves "REVERENDS"?? What does that have to do with KEMET, or Africa proper? :confused:

Take notice in all the pictures on that site, how there are very few, to NO black people present.

For all who read this, please know that this has NOTHING to do with METU NETER nor SHETA'UT NETER.

There is no way on this earth, that I would support this garbage. The days of looking to white people for anything--especially for my spiritual and intellectual growth--are long done and dead.

The only 2 legitimate clergymen that are qualified to teach Kemetian Theology are RA UN NEFER AMEN or the AUSAR AUSET SOCIETY, and SEBAHY MUATA ASHBY of the SEMA INSTITUTE.

Both are Black Africans.

HOTEPU




Brotha,

What about the organization that Queen Afua and Baba Heru have, STAAR? Would you also consider them legitimate? Just in case you haven't seen it, here is their site:
http://www.smaitawiankh.org/whoweare.html

Brotha,

What about the organization that Queen Afua and Baba Heru have, STAAR? Would you also consider them legitimate? Just in case you haven't seen it, here is their site:
http://www.smaitawiankh.org/whoweare.html


They have been around as long or almost as long as Ausar Auset Society.
They take a different approach to the actual Mdw Ntr language.

They have been around as long or almost as long as Ausar Auset Society.
They take a different approach to the actual Mdw Ntr language.

This is true Equality ...What i've found is many beings, in their early stages of growth and developement, misenterpret 360 for 120; mistaking mathematics for a closed system. They incline towards the differences(clinging to interpretations) without the ability to knowledge God as True and living . The zig zag is the undulating motion demonstrated by the snake which is the glyph of Nu or Amen and symbols, Mathematics, are the abstract containers we use to quantify our existence. These various conceptual navigational systems (cultures) are (and should be judged by ) their efficacy in refining Black man woman and child. HETEP

Ok, since ya'll wont answer my other thread, what about this:

Who has heard of the Fahamme Temple?

The Fahamme Temple of Isis El Amun or the
Fahamme Temple of Islam and Culture

http://www.fahamme-isiselamun.com

The founder Professor Paul Nathaniel Johnson or
Fahamme Rasoul is where a fez. Not sure if he had
involved in the MSTA before then. But they got the
Islam and Ancient Nile Valley thing going on even in the 1919's
and formally in 1943 with the writing of their first book. That's
before Ausar Auset Society International, Smaa Tawi/Shrine of Ptah,
and the AEO of the "nuwaubians".

Peace.

Ok, since ya'll wont answer my other thread, what about this:

Who has heard of the Fahamme Temple?

The Fahamme Temple of Isis El Amun or the
Fahamme Temple of Islam and Culture

http://www.fahamme-isiselamun.com

The founder Professor Paul Nathaniel Johnson or
Fahamme Rasoul is where a fez. Not sure if he had
involved in the MSTA before then. But they got the
Islam and Ancient Nile Valley thing going on even in the 1919's
and formally in 1943 with the writing of their first book. That's
before Ausar Auset Society International, Smaa Tawi/Shrine of Ptah,
and the AEO of the "nuwaubians".

Peace.

I guess No One.

Can you enlighten Us?

My up to date list of Hpy River Valley inspired organizations, groups
and nations with links where possible. If I left anybody out, let me know.
Peace



Ancient Egyptian Arabic Nobles of the Mystic Shrine
http://www.aeaonms.org

Fahamme Temple
http://www.fahamme-isiselamun.com/

Thmei Research with Sun Ra and dem

Smaa Tawi - Shrine of Ptah
http://www.smaitawiankh.org/
http://www.queenafuaonline.com

Ausar Auset Society International
http://www.tauienterprises.com?http://www.ausarausetpa.org/?http://aasdc.org/home.php?http://www.aasorlando.org?http://www.sheps.com/ancestors/honorable_words/sheps_darkdeceased.html

White and Gold Lotus, Shrine of Amen Ra
http://pyramidmatrix.info/


Sema Institute
http://www.egyptianyoga.com/

ASCAC - Association Study Classical "African" Civilizations
http://www.ascac.org

Tony Browder and the Institute of Karmic Guidance
http://ikg-info.com.hosting.domaindirect.com/index.html

Kemetic Institute - Jacob Carruthers

Kemet Nu - Ashra Kwesi
http://kemetnu.com/

M'Tam Earth Center
http://www.theearthcenter.com/

Odwirafo - Aakhuamuman Amaruka Atifi mu
http://www.odwirafo.com/

Shrine of Ma'at
http://www.theshrineofmaat.com/

Ta Nefer Ankh
http://www.kemetway.com/index.html

Ancient Egiptian Order - "Nuwaubians"
http://www.ancientegiptianorder.com/
http://www.aeoeonline.com
(1980's pre Nubian Hebrew Islamic Mission rhetoric)
http://www.myspace.com/thenooneproject
http://www.getfrombehindthe9ball.com

Kemetic Yoga - Yiser Ra Hotep
http://www.yogaskills.com/

Sacred Shrine of Mwt Ast
http://www.myspace.com/imakhurenegadestoryteller
http://www.mwtshekemet.org
http://www.akeruradio.com/Atef_HruKhuti.html

Shrine of Mut Em Uaa Amun Khonsu Heru
http://www.geocities.com/afrigoddess/Priestess_Het_Heru/

Temple of Anu
http://www.myspace.com/templeofanu

MDW-NTR Study Group (Detroit)

Per Ankh - Neb Ka Ra
http://www.perankhu.org/

Cheikh Anta Diop Institute with Ankh Mi Ra

Kemetik Shrine of Jhuty Heru Neb Hu with Mfundishi Jhutyms Ka N Heru Hassan Kamau Salim, the Kupigana Ngumi martial arts guy
http://blackgoldsacredliving.com/default.aspx

Nikhtah Ma'eyah Kimata
http://www.kimata.org/

Ancient Noble Ausar Moorish Masonic Temple
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ausar_temple

My up to date list of Hpy River Valley inspired organizations, groups
and nations with links where possible. If I left anybody out, let me know.
Peace



Ancient Egyptian Arabic Nobles of the Mystic Shrine
http://www.aeaonms.org

Fahamme Temple
http://www.fahamme-isiselamun.com/

Thmei Research with Sun Ra and dem

Smaa Tawi - Shrine of Ptah
http://www.smaitawiankh.org/
http://www.queenafuaonline.com

Ausar Auset Society International
http://www.tauienterprises.com?http://www.ausarausetpa.org/?http://aasdc.org/home.php?http://www.aasorlando.org?http://www.sheps.com/ancestors/honorable_words/sheps_darkdeceased.html

White and Gold Lotus, Shrine of Amen Ra
http://pyramidmatrix.info/


Sema Institute
http://www.egyptianyoga.com/

ASCAC - Association Study Classical "African" Civilizations
http://www.ascac.org

Tony Browder and the Institute of Karmic Guidance
http://ikg-info.com.hosting.domaindirect.com/index.html

Kemetic Institute - Jacob Carruthers

Kemet Nu - Ashra Kwesi
http://kemetnu.com/

M'Tam Earth Center
http://www.theearthcenter.com/

Odwirafo - Aakhuamuman Amaruka Atifi mu
http://www.odwirafo.com/

Shrine of Ma'at
http://www.theshrineofmaat.com/

Ta Nefer Ankh
http://www.kemetway.com/index.html

Ancient Egiptian Order - "Nuwaubians"
http://www.ancientegiptianorder.com/
http://www.aeoeonline.com
(1980's pre Nubian Hebrew Islamic Mission rhetoric)
http://www.myspace.com/thenooneproject
http://www.getfrombehindthe9ball.com

Kemetic Yoga - Yiser Ra Hotep
http://www.yogaskills.com/

Sacred Shrine of Mwt Ast
http://www.myspace.com/imakhurenegadestoryteller
http://www.mwtshekemet.org
http://www.akeruradio.com/Atef_HruKhuti.html

Shrine of Mut Em Uaa Amun Khonsu Heru
http://www.geocities.com/afrigoddess/Priestess_Het_Heru/

Temple of Anu
http://www.myspace.com/templeofanu

MDW-NTR Study Group (Detroit)

Per Ankh - Neb Ka Ra
http://www.perankhu.org/

Cheikh Anta Diop Institute with Ankh Mi Ra

Kemetik Shrine of Jhuty Heru Neb Hu with Mfundishi Jhutyms Ka N Heru Hassan Kamau Salim, the Kupigana Ngumi martial arts guy
http://blackgoldsacredliving.com/default.aspx

Nikhtah Ma'eyah Kimata
http://www.kimata.org/

Ancient Noble Ausar Moorish Masonic Temple
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ausar_temple


Thanks. These will be useful links to my blogspot.

You think the Sema Institute is bigger in population than one of the
original hardcore Hpy river valley groups, Smaa Tawi (Heru
Semahj and Queen Afua)? I don't know about that.

EN ANKH HEH SHEM HOTEPU to all:

I have been a practicioner of Kemetian Theology for over a decade, in junction with other similar spiritual systems.

The 2 most prominent Kemetic organizations in the African Spiritual Community are the SEMA Institute led by Sebahy Muata Ashby, and the Ausar/Auset Society led by Sheqhem Ur Sheqhem Ra Un Nefer Amen.

I was wondering if there are any members of Destee that are members of either (or both) Societies.

As for myself, I am a student of both systems.

My studies of both systems have led me to understand that the theologies of both are slightly different, though not at all opposing to one another.

Amen's teachings of Metu Neter ("Divine Wisdom") are based on Ausarian Theology, whilst Ashby's teachings of Shetaut Neter ("Divine Mysteries") are based on Anunian Theology.

Both systems have their foundation in the PA'UT NETER (Tree Of Life, or Pantheon of Deities), though the positioning of the deities for each system is slightly different.

In my understanding, this is not a discrepancy on either part of each teacher, as both the Anunian and Ausarian Theologies were in practice simultaneously in Kemet during ancient times.

It should be seen as a different discipline of science (Astronomy in comparison to Astrology), rather than a contradiction of each other; both utilize the principle aspect to express ultimately the same understanding.

Personally, I find the Ausarian Theology of Metu Neter to be more beneficial on a practical level (God in Self), while the Anunian Theology gives great understanding to the cosmology of the Universe (God In the Universe).

Anyways, that's my perspective in a nutshell, and I was just wondering about the perspectives of others:

How long have you studied and/or been a member of either Society?

What prompted you to join other one?

What have you learned about Kemetic culture during this time?

If you are a member of one Society, what is your perspective regarding the other?

HOTEPU

@ Nibs

What people don't realize is that parts of the Shetaut Neter are still living systems in Africa and if you join some of those systems, you will get a piece of the puzzle which is Ta-Merry. But the people calling it /Kmt/ hasn't read the literature. Kmt was an idea and that's why it was used in religious text, not so much governmental documents. Kmt has to deal with the creative aspect of blackness, carbon atoms, alchemy and the extraction of metals from caves and what not. It is so much to the word. I will post a seperate post for Blackness in other African languages.

Excuse me for bringing this back up.

Excuse me for bringing this back up.

Thanx for this omo a true discussion with the gods samuri 36 and nibs. man what would our discussions be like if we still had them ! hotep Nibs allways was on point as is illustrated above. " al kemet stry" peace We are thought of our selves as meta physcians at one time. Thats why my spirts wont leave me alone bout the uni verse. They keep hammering away until i listen .hotep i shall review this thread as good food .

Your KiKongo (Twa) and Khoison of south Africa are your oldest people PERIOD. They weren't originally located in the Kongo. They migrated their. Everyone is from East Africa (Kenya, Uganda, Punt, etc.). These are the ones who started the traditions. If you want to "understand" Kemetic philosophy, you have to understand the Twa and Khoison of Central and South Africa respectively. They are the seed cultures. Kemet is one of the last great civilizations in Africa, not the first. Everything didn't start in Kemet. They just expressed the ideology more through art and architecture. But the symbolisms and philosophy come from the Twa. Any priests in East Africa will tell you this. This is why they had to have a person from the Twa in all of their courts. They serve a higher purpose than what most people think.




Is this thread still active, I know its been a while since there have been posts, but I have some questions.

Peace and blessings. Is there a specific question you had in mind?

Peace and blessings. Is there a specific question you had in mind?

Brother Imhotep06 ... Welcome Home ... so good to see you again ... :love:

Much Love and Peace! :grouphug:

:heart:

Destee

Is this thread still active, I know its been a while since there have been posts, but I have some questions.

Tenorazel ... didn't mean to overlook you ... Welcome Welcome Welcome ... :wave:

Thanks for joining us, and please make yourself at home, because you are!

:heart:

Destee

Thanks at Destee. I've been busy, so I am out catching a breath of fresh air.

Thanks at Destee. I've been busy, so I am out catching a breath of fresh air.

Asar Imhotep! I've listened to your show on blogtalk,and have visited your site. Its great to have you back on destee.

Asar Imhotep! I've listened to your show on blogtalk,and have visited your site. Its great to have you back on destee.

Peace

Thanks for the warm welcome and for listening to the shows. I plan to do more shows, more frequently in 2010.

Peace

Thanks for the warm welcome and for listening to the shows. I plan to do more shows, more frequently in 2010.

Great. I was wondering what had happened. By the way, do you still have the same views towards Ausar Auset?

Great. I was wondering what had happened. By the way, do you still have the same views towards Ausar Auset?

Greetings. I have to be reminded of what I have stated in the past to see if I still believe now what I said then. Can you please remind me. Thanks in advance.

Greetings. I have to be reminded of what I have stated in the past to see if I still believe now what I said then. Can you please remind me. Thanks in advance.

Well right on this thread a few pages back you said that RUNA is not a real Kemetic priest, and such.

Well right on this thread a few pages back you said that RUNA is not a real Kemetic priest, and such.

Yes I think so still. Unless he is an Ifa priest. The reason why I can tell, based on his books, is that the deities are all mispronounced. The associations are off with the deities as well.

I respect the system he has attempted to syncretize, but if his claim is that this is "authentic" "kemetic" spirituality, then I am highly skeptical. For one, it was never called KMT. The -t is just a feminine ending suffix that wasn't pronounced. In Yoruba it is pronounced EGAN. /k/ and /g/ are interchangeable and /m/ and /n/ are interchangeable. In the Bantu languages it is IKAMA, KHAMA, KHEMU, and GYM-GYM in Dogon. The word KM-T, although it means black in several languages, when talking about the country, has nothing at all to do with skin color: it is simply a word for FARM or CITY/COUNTRY. It is a generic term.

Kaam "farm" - Basa
Kaam "farm" - Doai
iKaam "farm" - Esitako
Kam "farm" - Ngodzin
Kumadin "farm" - Runda

Kom "country, region" - Balue
eKom "city" - Okam
Kom "rural area" - Ndzem
khumbi "nation" - Zulu
Gumi "rural area" - Caga
etc.

The name of the polity is TA-MERI. I will be finishing up a book in 2010 titled OSIRIS DECODED: Tracing an Egyptian God Through the Spiritual System of Ifa. I will give further connections and a methodology for a more accurate interpretation of the direct and indirect correspondences.

Yes I think so still. Unless he is an Ifa priest. The reason why I can tell, based on his books, is that the deities are all mispronounced. The associations are off with the deities as well.


The associations are off? Wow! The only one that seemed off to me was Oya with Nekhebet. The rest of them seemed on point. What are some examples?

For instance, on pg 293 of Metu Neter he states:

Kamitic: Auset
Canaanite: Gabri-El
Kabalistical: Yesod
Yoruba: Yemaya
Indus Kush: Dhumavati

For one, Gabri-El and Esu of the Yoruba system are the same deity. In Hebrew "gabre" means "messenger." EL we know is a general name for God. Gaber-iy-el means "messenger of God." The following reflexes exist in West Africa:

Yoruba - Elegbara, El-egba
Fon - Legba
Ebira - ne gbe "spirit" (obi-negba = great spirit, God)
Owerri Igbo - Agbara
Onitscha Igbo - Agbala

We should know that El-Egba (Esu) is the divine messenger of Obatala/Orunmila. Auset (ez, ashe) is not the "messenger" or "emissory" of the divine. She represents a totally different aspect. So to associate Auset, with the Cannanite Gabri-El is off center. Then to Not even associate Gabri-El with the same deity in Yoruba, El-Egba, demonstrates he doesn't know the linguistic and characteristics of the forces.

Some Egyptian "deities" are still, with little change in pronunciation, exist in the Yoruba language. Asar is ISALE "down below" in reference to the forces beneath the Earth. We know that Osiris is the ruler of the underworld, duat, and his other form Heru is ruler of the "day." Heru is OLUWA in Yoruba. The initial /h/ sound is dropped in most Yoruba words that correspond to Egyptian. Asar is also rendered as RAS as in RAS TAFARI. The equivalent in Yoruba is simply ORISHA.

Again, many many people have "KM-T" all wrong because they don't have an understanding of African languages and concepts. What RUNA did was take what he read from Egyptology books and attempted a syncrenization of concepts. That's not bad in of itself, but "if" he or anyone else is claiming that it is "authentic" then I think we have grounds to challenge them on that notion.

For instance, on pg 293 of Metu Neter he states:

Kamitic: Auset
Canaanite: Gabri-El
Kabalistical: Yesod
Yoruba: Yemaya
Indus Kush: Dhumavati

For one, Gabri-El and Esu of the Yoruba system are the same deity. In Hebrew "gabre" means "messenger." EL we know is a general name for God. Gaber-iy-el means "messenger of God." The following reflexes exist in West Africa:

Yoruba - Elegbara, El-egba
Fon - Legba
Ebira - ne gbe "spirit" (obi-negba = great spirit, God)
Owerri Igbo - Agbara
Onitscha Igbo - Agbala

We should know that El-Egba (Esu) is the divine messenger of Obatala/Orunmila. Auset (ez, ashe) is not the "messenger" or "emissory" of the divine. She represents a totally different aspect. So to associate Auset, with the Cannanite Gabri-El is off center. Then to Not even associate Gabri-El with the same deity in Yoruba, El-Egba, demonstrates he doesn't know the linguistic and characteristics of the forces.

Some Egyptian "deities" are still, with little change in pronunciation, exist in the Yoruba language. Asar is ISALE "down below" in reference to the forces beneath the Earth. We know that Osiris is the ruler of the underworld, duat, and his other form Heru is ruler of the "day." Heru is OLUWA in Yoruba. The initial /h/ sound is dropped in most Yoruba words that correspond to Egyptian. Asar is also rendered as RAS as in RAS TAFARI. The equivalent in Yoruba is simply ORISHA.

Again, many many people have "KM-T" all wrong because they don't have an understanding of African languages and concepts. What RUNA did was take what he read from Egyptology books and attempted a syncrenization of concepts. That's not bad in of itself, but "if" he or anyone else is claiming that it is "authentic" then I think we have grounds to challenge them on that notion.

From my understanding, the correspondences were supposed to be with the spheres of the Kabbala. I don't think that he was trying to say that Auset=Yemaya=Gabriel, just that they play the same role in each of their respective traditions. And while Gabriel might be famous for being a messenger, his name actually means "Strength of God" as seen from this Kabbalah FAQ:

"Gabriel means "Strength of God" and in medieval Kabbalah was attributed to Gevurah (the words share a common root). In modern Kabbalah Gabriel can be found further down the Tree in Yesod, using his strength to hold up the foundations."

http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/faq.htm

If Gabriel was supposed to be the messenger, wouldn't it occupy sphere 8? Ironically the Jews assigned the archangel Michael to that sphere, which RUNA reassigned to sphere 6.

As far as Elegba being Agbala in Igbo, that's a very interesting correspondence. The very word Agbala has alot of meanings, one of them being another name for the Earth deity, one being the name of its messenger, one is what us Igbos call a woman, or a man without a title. The oracle of Agbala was actually located near the holy city of Nri, where my ancestors came from.

This is why linguistics is such an important field of study for students of African history and philosophy to be engaged in as it distinquishes from folk etymology from true possible etymologies of terms. I recommend for you the work Words and Meaning in Yoruba Religion: Linguistic connections between Yoruba, Egyptian and Semetic by Modupe Oduyoye.

Here you will learn that for obscure words you have to go beyond the primary language under examination to get a better understanding of a term. It would be too much to type at this moment to give you the break down of Gabriel. But I can say that you first look at the root consonants as a foundation for terminology building. For instance, observe the following comparisons:

FORGIVENESS

Arabic gafara "forgive" [g-f-r]
Yoruba foriji "forgive" [f-r-j] (metathesis of the Arabic above, with the g/j alternation common within Semetic)
Arabic kafara "to cover, to hide" [k-f-r]
Hebrew kapar "to atone" [k-p-r]
Aramaic kepar "to wash away, to rub off" [k-p-r]
Egyptian krp "to scrape out" (an inscription metathesis of the Yoruba and Arabic above)
Yoruba pare "to rub off" [k-p-r] (you can also say kpare)

As can be seen, all of these words are built off the same consonental root which suggest a rubbing off, to wash, to wipe off stain, blemish or sin, which expands to the concept of forgiveness. As a result, we can conclude that this root cluster system is an inherent innovation within the language family.

When you study linguistics, you get to the "root" of words and we do this by compariing terms to cognates in related languages.

Also, in regards to more information on the El-Egba connection:

http://www.asarimhotep.com/images/stories/random/pg_74_modupe_worldreligions.jpg

This is why linguistics is such an important field of study for students of African history and philosophy to be engaged in as it distinquishes from folk etymology from true possible etymologies of terms. I recommend for you the work Words and Meaning in Yoruba Religion: Linguistic connections between Yoruba, Egyptian and Semetic by Modupe Oduyoye.

Here you will learn that for obscure words you have to go beyond the primary language under examination to get a better understanding of a term. It would be too much to type at this moment to give you the break down of Gabriel. But I can say that you first look at the root consonants as a foundation for terminology building. For instance, observe the following comparisons:

FORGIVENESS

Arabic gafara "forgive" [g-f-r]
Yoruba foriji "forgive" [f-r-j] (metathesis of the Arabic above, with the g/j alternation common within Semetic)
Arabic kafara "to cover, to hide" [k-f-r]
Hebrew kapar "to atone" [k-p-r]
Aramaic kepar "to wash away, to rub off" [k-p-r]
Egyptian krp "to scrape out" (an inscription metathesis of the Yoruba and Arabic above)
Yoruba pare "to rub off" [k-p-r] (you can also say kpare)

As can be seen, all of these words are built off the same consonental root which suggest a rubbing off, to wash, to wipe off stain, blemish or sin, which expands to the concept of forgiveness. As a result, we can conclude that this root cluster system is an inherent innovation within the language family.

When you study linguistics, you get to the "root" of words and we do this by comparing terms to cognates in related languages.

I see. So if this is the case, don't you think that the placement of Gabriel in the 9th sphere of the Kabbalah was a misjudgment on the part of the Jews?

Also, in regards to more information on the El-Egba connection:

http://www.asarimhotep.com/images/stories/random/pg_74_modupe_worldreligions.jpg

WOW! This is incredible. And it makes sense. I have spent some time trying to find correspondences between the different traditions. This is what I have determined so far:

Yoruba
0. Oludamare
1. Obatala
2. Orunmila
3. Babalu Aye/Oya
4. Aje Chagullia
5. Ogun
6. Shango/Jakuta
7. Osun
8. Eshu/Elegba
9. Yemoja
10. Oduwa
11. Egungun


Kamit
0. Amen
1. Ausar
2. Tehuti
3. Seker/Ptah/Sehkmet
4. Maat
5. Herukhuti
6. Heru
7. Het-Heru
8. Sebek/Anup
9. Auset
10. Geb
11. Sheps

Igbo
0. Chukwu
1. Igwe/Ala
2. Agwunsi
3. Ojukwu/Idemilli/Ekumeku
4. Ofo/Omaku
5. Ikenga/Awka/Ogu/Ugwuagu
6. Amadioha/Kamalu/Anyanwu
7. Idemilli/Imomiri/Uku/Ekwonochie
8. Ekwensu/Agbala
9. Uhamiri/Ogbuide/Onishe
10. Ala/Agbala

Kongo
0. Nzambi Mpungu
1. Nzambi/Tiembla Tierra
2. Centella Ndoki
3. Tata Fumbi
4.
5. Funzi/Zarabanda
6. Nzassi/Lusiemo/Siete Rayos/Ntangu
7. Mama Chola
8. Kadiempembe
9. Chicamassi-chibuinji/Madre Agua
10. Nzambi
11. Bakalu

In regards to the Kabbalah, I haven't messed with that in YEARS, so I have to refamiliarize myself with the concepts. But again, for me, the whole presentation was lacking a certain "African" character that I "feel" when engaged in indignenous traditions. So it didn't do much for me.

In regards to your second post, there needs to be a clear method for comparisons. I have "created" a methodology I call Philosophical Cognancy which seeks to establish connections in a similar way we associate cognates in linguistics.

In your associations above, you first need to make an inventory of the primary characteristics of the "deities" and their function in PARTICULAR stories before doing comparisons. There is no long narrative like is done in the Bible with Jesus with African mythology. There are fragmented stories and some having to do with something totally different and do not make for a cohesive picture. When we understand this, then you'll be able to see how Esu (Yoruba), Shu (Egyptian) and Yeshua (Hebrew) are all the same deity. We can match them functionally and linguistically and that is the key (the linguistics).

What connects them all is that each one of them are the personification of the "bridge" between heaven and earth. Shu "separates" Geb from Nut. The only way to get to Nut (and further Nu/Nun) is through Shu (air). This is on a geological level.

Yeshua, the sacrifice, is the divine messenger who carries the prayers of men to God. He is the "bridge" between heaven and earth. "No one can go to the father except through me."

Now, Esu in the Yoruba we know is the divine messenger who brings all the sacrifices and prayers to God and the Orisha. But we also know that Esu also represents the nervous system of the body. The nerves "communicate" with all the parts of the body (Orisha) and you can't get to the brain (Obatala/White-Grey matter/God) unless you go through Esu (the nervous system).

So now we see this same function in the Egyptian geologically/astronomically in the Hebrew ritually. And what we find ritually among the Hebrews is also ritually assigned in Ifa but also plays a biological role in this system. What othe functions each system assigns to the "deity" is extra. What combines them all is their function as the crossroads, the bridge or channel between man and God. This is an introduction into Philosophical Cognancy.

In regards to the Kabbalah, I haven't messed with that in YEARS, so I have to refamiliarize myself with the concepts. But again, for me, the whole presentation was lacking a certain "African" character that I "feel" when engaged in indignenous traditions. So it didn't do much for me.

In regards to your second post, there needs to be a clear method for comparisons. I have "created" a methodology I call Philosophical Cognancy which seeks to establish connections in a similar way we associate cognates in linguistics.

In your associations above, you first need to make an inventory of the primary characteristics of the "deities" and their function in PARTICULAR stories before doing comparisons. There is no long narrative like is done in the Bible with Jesus with African mythology. There are fragmented stories and some having to do with something totally different and do make for a cohesive picture. When we understand this, then you'll be able to see how Esu (Yoruba), Shu (Egyptian) and Yeshua (Hebrew) are all the same deity. We can match them functionally and linguistically and that is the key (the linguistics).

What connects them all is that each one of them are the personification of the "bridge" between heaven and earth. Shu "separates" Geb from Nut. The only way to get to Nut (and further Nu/Nun) is through Shu (air). This is on a geological level.

Yeshua, the sacrifice, is the divine messenger who carries the prayers of men to God. He is the "bridge" between heaven and earth. "No one can go to the father except through me."

Now, Esu in the Yoruba we know is the divine messenger who brings all the sacrifices and prayers to God and the Orisha. But we also know that Esu also represents the nervous system of the body. The nerves "communicate" with all the parts of the body (Orisha) and you can't get to the brain (Obatala/White-Grey matter/God) unless you go through Esu (the nervous system).

So now we see this same function in the Egyptian geologically/astronomically in the Hebrew ritually. And what we find ritually is also ritually assigned in Ifa but also plays a biological role in this system. What othe functions each system assigns to the "deity" is extra. What combines them all is their function as the crossroads, the bridge or channel between man and God. This is an introduction into Philosophical Cognancy.

Excellent post. Are you initiated into any African or. 1st nation spiritual system

Excellent post. Are you initiated into any African or. 1st nation spiritual system

I first must apologize for my grammatical and misspellings errors. But I am on path in Ifa, not a babalawo (yet). I am a late bloomer, but blooming none the less. I have also have the privilege of travelling the super highway of wisdom and have been introduced to other systems and when I have the opportunity will pick those up again.

The good thing about Ifa is that it is so wide spread, wheras others are confined to small villages in remote places on the continent. It makes it harder for someone in the US to continue prolonged teaching.

But for those who want a jump start, I will tell you a secret: "the wisdom is in the proverbs." Study long and hard many African proverbs.

I first must apologize for my grammatical and misspellings errors. But I am on path in Ifa, not a babalawo (yet). I am a late bloomer, but blooming none the less. I have also have the privilege of travelling the super highway of wisdom and have been introduced to other systems and when I have the opportunity will pick those up again.

The good thing about Ifa is that it is so wide spread, wheras others are confined to small villages in remote places on the continent. It makes it harder for someone in the US to continue prolonged teaching.

But for those who want a jump start, I will tell you a secret: "the wisdom is in the proverbs." Study long and hard many African proverbs.

Modupe, Modupe O, Modupe

If you haven't already found one, seek out a competent Ile and Godparent(s).

The forum has at least 3 priest (myself included) that can share with you as you share with us.

Odabo

This is crucial to your journey

Onyemobi...is the Igbo no. 1 "Igwe" the same spelling as the word for "king"?





WOW! This is incredible. And it makes sense. I have spent some time trying to find correspondences between the different traditions. This is what I have determined so far:

Yoruba
0. Oludamare
1. Obatala
2. Orunmila
3. Babalu Aye/Oya
4. Aje Chagullia
5. Ogun
6. Shango/Jakuta
7. Osun
8. Eshu/Elegba
9. Yemoja
10. Oduwa
11. Egungun


Kamit
0. Amen
1. Ausar
2. Tehuti
3. Seker/Ptah/Sehkmet
4. Maat
5. Herukhuti
6. Heru
7. Het-Heru
8. Sebek/Anup
9. Auset
10. Geb
11. Sheps

Igbo
0. Chukwu
1. Igwe/Ala
2. Agwunsi
3. Ojukwu/Idemilli/Ekumeku
4. Ofo/Omaku
5. Ikenga/Awka/Ogu/Ugwuagu
6. Amadioha/Kamalu/Anyanwu
7. Idemilli/Imomiri/Uku/Ekwonochie
8. Ekwensu/Agbala
9. Uhamiri/Ogbuide/Onishe
10. Ala/Agbala

Kongo
0. Nzambi Mpungu
1. Nzambi/Tiembla Tierra
2. Centella Ndoki
3. Tata Fumbi
4.
5. Funzi/Zarabanda
6. Nzassi/Lusiemo/Siete Rayos/Ntangu
7. Mama Chola
8. Kadiempembe
9. Chicamassi-chibuinji/Madre Agua
10. Nzambi
11. Bakalu

Onyemobi...is the Igbo no. 1 "Igwe" the same spelling as the word for "king"?

Yes. It actually doesn't mean king, it means "heavenly one"

Yes. It actually doesn't mean king, it means "heavenly one"


Then what does Lolo(?) mean?

Then what does Lolo(?) mean?

Lolo is a title given to the wife of a Nze titled man. It also is the name of a female dibia, which is the equivalent of a babalawo.

In regards to the Kabbalah, I haven't messed with that in YEARS, so I have to refamiliarize myself with the concepts. But again, for me, the whole presentation was lacking a certain "African" character that I "feel" when engaged in indignenous traditions. So it didn't do much for me.



Yeah, that's why I said that he was really matching the deities up with the spheres. I do feel that Gabriel doesn't quite match up with Auset, but you can't deny that Yemaya does. Same goes for Orunmila and Tehuti, Obatala and Ausar, etc.


In regards to your second post, there needs to be a clear method for comparisons. I have "created" a methodology I call Philosophical Cognancy which seeks to establish connections in a similar way we associate cognates in linguistics.

In your associations above, you first need to make an inventory of the primary characteristics of the "deities" and their function in PARTICULAR stories before doing comparisons. There is no long narrative like is done in the Bible with Jesus with African mythology. There are fragmented stories and some having to do with something totally different and do not make for a cohesive picture. When we understand this, then you'll be able to see how Esu (Yoruba), Shu (Egyptian) and Yeshua (Hebrew) are all the same deity. We can match them functionally and linguistically and that is the key (the linguistics).

What connects them all is that each one of them are the personification of the "bridge" between heaven and earth. Shu "separates" Geb from Nut. The only way to get to Nut (and further Nu/Nun) is through Shu (air). This is on a geological level.

Yeshua, the sacrifice, is the divine messenger who carries the prayers of men to God. He is the "bridge" between heaven and earth. "No one can go to the father except through me."

Now, Esu in the Yoruba we know is the divine messenger who brings all the sacrifices and prayers to God and the Orisha. But we also know that Esu also represents the nervous system of the body. The nerves "communicate" with all the parts of the body (Orisha) and you can't get to the brain (Obatala/White-Grey matter/God) unless you go through Esu (the nervous system).

So now we see this same function in the Egyptian geologically/astronomically in the Hebrew ritually. And what we find ritually among the Hebrews is also ritually assigned in Ifa but also plays a biological role in this system. What othe functions each system assigns to the "deity" is extra. What combines them all is their function as the crossroads, the bridge or channel between man and God. This is an introduction into Philosophical Cognancy.

Yeshua plays the role of multiple deities. He is Heru as a child, and Ausar when he is ministering. He is Herukhuti when he goes into the temple and clears it out. He is Tehuti when they are questioning him and he is drawing sigils in the sand. He is Ausar again when he is betrayed by Judas/Set at the Last Supper, and also when he resurrects as the judge of the dead. He is also the Amen in Revelation, and Heru when he leads the army against Set in Armageddon.

Yeah, that's why I said that he was really matching the deities up with the spheres. I do feel that Gabriel doesn't quite match up with Auset, but you can't deny that Yemaya does. Same goes for Orunmila and Tehuti, Obatala and Ausar, etc.



Yeshua plays the role of multiple deities. He is Heru as a child, and Ausar when he is ministering. He is Herukhuti when he goes into the temple and clears it out. He is Tehuti when they are questioning him and he is drawing sigils in the sand. He is Ausar again when he is betrayed by Judas/Set at the Last Supper, and also when he resurrects as the judge of the dead. He is also the Amen in Revelation, and Heru when he leads the army against Set in Armageddon.


Exactly. I will be doing a lecture for the first time in Houston inFeb. titled OUR LINEAGE - Egypt, The Bible, Ifa and the African-American: Cultural and Linguistic Connections that Bind Us All. In it I will discuss, in part, how when comparing corresponding deities in various cultures, that you have to be aware of composites. I will argue that the Hebrews decided to compile most of the Egyptian characteristics of deities because the way the system was laid out it was too confusing. There is evidence to support that they were simply trying to simplify certain aspects of the African system: as can be seen with the 10 commandments from the 42 admonitions of Maat.

Also you can peep the fact that they brought out a major flaw in Egyptian ontology and why "salvation" was necessary. I am also writing another book titled The Ena, The Ancestors and the Papyrus of Ani: Towards a Greater Understanding of the African Concept of the Spirit. From the available Egyptian evidence, it appears that if you "messed-up" once, you had to repeat the cycle of life over again. This is why there was such a stress in the admonitions that I have "never" did this, or that, etc. The Hebrews said it's impossible to live up to such a standard, so we will composite an entity, make him the sacrifice, and everyone has a chance to end the reincarnation cycle even if they weren't perfect. This is the beginning of forgiveness. There is no such thing in the Egyptian.

Anyway, all that to say is that it is more to correspondences than simply matches traits. These spheres is unnecessary and RUNA confuses things by trying to combine all of these spiritual systems when they really do have some very fundamental differences.

My up to date list of Hpy River Valley inspired organizations, groups
and nations with links where possible. If I left anybody out, let me know.
Peace



Ancient Egyptian Arabic Nobles of the Mystic Shrine
http://www.aeaonms.org

Fahamme Temple
http://www.fahamme-isiselamun.com/

Thmei Research with Sun Ra and dem

Smaa Tawi - Shrine of Ptah
http://www.smaitawiankh.org/
http://www.queenafuaonline.com

Ausar Auset Society International
http://www.tauienterprises.com?http://www.ausarausetpa.org/?http://aasdc.org/home.php?http://www.aasorlando.org?http://www.sheps.com/ancestors/honorable_words/sheps_darkdeceased.html

White and Gold Lotus, Shrine of Amen Ra
http://pyramidmatrix.info/


Sema Institute
http://www.egyptianyoga.com/

ASCAC - Association Study Classical "African" Civilizations
http://www.ascac.org

Tony Browder and the Institute of Karmic Guidance
http://ikg-info.com.hosting.domaindirect.com/index.html

Kemetic Institute - Jacob Carruthers

Kemet Nu - Ashra Kwesi
http://kemetnu.com/

M'Tam Earth Center
http://www.theearthcenter.com/

Odwirafo - Aakhuamuman Amaruka Atifi mu
http://www.odwirafo.com/

Shrine of Ma'at
http://www.theshrineofmaat.com/

Ta Nefer Ankh
http://www.kemetway.com/index.html

Ancient Egiptian Order - "Nuwaubians"
http://www.ancientegiptianorder.com/
http://www.aeoeonline.com
(1980's pre Nubian Hebrew Islamic Mission rhetoric)
http://www.myspace.com/thenooneproject
http://www.getfrombehindthe9ball.com

Kemetic Yoga - Yiser Ra Hotep
http://www.yogaskills.com/

Sacred Shrine of Mwt Ast
http://www.myspace.com/imakhurenegadestoryteller
http://www.mwtshekemet.org
http://www.akeruradio.com/Atef_HruKhuti.html

Shrine of Mut Em Uaa Amun Khonsu Heru
http://www.geocities.com/afrigoddess/Priestess_Het_Heru/

Temple of Anu
http://www.myspace.com/templeofanu

MDW-NTR Study Group (Detroit)

Per Ankh - Neb Ka Ra
http://www.perankhu.org/

Cheikh Anta Diop Institute with Ankh Mi Ra

Kemetik Shrine of Jhuty Heru Neb Hu with Mfundishi Jhutyms Ka N Heru Hassan Kamau Salim, the Kupigana Ngumi martial arts guy
http://blackgoldsacredliving.com/default.aspx

Nikhtah Ma'eyah Kimata
http://www.kimata.org/

Ancient Noble Ausar Moorish Masonic Temple
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ausar_temple

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subscribing....learning much!


M.E.
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