peace,

1. Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah gives thee glad tidings ...
Sura 3:42 & 45

Then we sent to her Our angel, and he appeared before he as a man in all respects. She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (Come not near) If thou dost fear Allah."
Sura 19:17-18

- Was it angels or 1 man that came to mary???

2. Lo! We let loose on them a raging wind on a day of constant calamity, [54:19]

And as for A'ad, they were destroyed by a fierce roaring wind, Which He imposed on them for seven long nights and eight long days so that thou mightest have seen men lying overthrown, as they were hollow trunks of palm-trees. [69:6-7] - so how many days did it really take, several or just 1????????

3. First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].

4. "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10]. - who is the protector????

5. "Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick" [37:145] "Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate." [68:49] - what happened to Jonah??

6. No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34]. - do ALL angels obey or not???

7. Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No". - will Christians enter paradise or not????

8. According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately - will all Muslims taste of hell or not??????

to be continued.........Talk to me!!!!!!

peace

Infomoetry

Peace and prosperity black man...

If it were me, I would have titled the thread Contradictions in the Translation of Koran.
But anyway.....

Since you believe the Koran has contradictions, do you still consider yourself Muslim?

Thanks for sharing this will have folks thinking for while Im sure.

this will have folks thinking for while Im sure

Maybe some folks....not me.

I can easily refute most of that stuff up there he's calling "contradictions" if I wanted to.

And I just might..... :book:

The so called "Book of the Dead" or "Coming forth by Day" The Book of Life-which represents the Orignal sacred writings and the words of life and peace. The ancient African sacred writings were known as the "Medu Neter" (Medu-meaning words; and Neter meaning G-d). Hence, the Medu Neter was and should be called "G-d's Words" or "The Word of G-d", pre-dates the Torah (Old Testiment), Injel (New Testiment) and Qur'an by Thousands of years.
These scriptures were first discovered by the Indo-European grave robbers known to us as Archiologest and used to create false Doctorins for crowd control over the Indigenus peoples they found every ware they went on this earth. ((Question: If they went there, from ware did they come??))
Courious enough is the fact that "All" of these so-called "Major" religions are all in the hands of people out side of (KMT) so-called Africa. None are controled by Blacks.
Africa's greatest enemy's have always been the Indo-European, weather called by the name Arab, Ayrian, Caucasion, Europen or White, the relationship has historicly always been the same, "Slavery, Suffering, Death".
Prophet Muhammad Iban Abdula PBH is the "Last" to come to the wicked, no more will they receive. "Allah says to them, I have compleated my favor to you".
KMT,KEMET,Alkibulan,Etiope,Ethiopia, Abbassinea or Africa has always had (Sages) Prophets and none of them has ever claimed to be the "Last One to Come" to the Black African People.
Agree or Dis-agree, historicly speaking,before-6,000 years ago there was no so-called "White-Race" on this planet Earth.
They know who you are Black man and Black woman of KEMET, the problem is, "We" have forgotten who "We" and "They" really are today. Fortunately, our Black Ancestors of KMT (Africa) Egypt knew well and left us the proof.
Hotep

Infomoetry

Peace and prosperity black man...

If it were me, I would have titled the thread Contradictions in the Translation of Koran.
But anyway.....

Since you believe the Koran has contradictions, do you still consider yourself Muslim?


PEACE,

I have never said I was a Muslim alone! A true Muslim does not need a book all that Muslim need do is follow Nature's perfect example of submission to be in tune with that 1 God..........

peace

this will have folks thinking for while Im sure

Maybe some folks....not me.

I can easily refute most of that stuff up there he's calling "contradictions" if I wanted to.

And I just might..... :book:

peace,

hmmmmmm - where have I heard this one b4?????

& U say Christianity & Islam are different! If you attempt disprove, which I hope you will brotha, then all will see how much alike they are (mentally)....

peace

The so called "Book of the Dead" or "Coming forth by Day" The Book of Life-which represents the Orignal sacred writings and the words of life and peace. The ancient African sacred writings were known as the "Medu Neter" (Medu-meaning words; and Neter meaning G-d). Hence, the Medu Neter was and should be called "G-d's Words" or "The Word of G-d", pre-dates the Torah (Old Testiment), Injel (New Testiment) and Qur'an by Thousands of years.
These scriptures were first discovered by the Indo-European grave robbers known to us as Archiologest and used to create false Doctorins for crowd control over the Indigenus peoples they found every ware they went on this earth. ((Question: If they went there, from ware did they come??))
Courious enough is the fact that "All" of these so-called "Major" religions are all in the hands of people out side of (KMT) so-called Africa. None are controled by Blacks.
Africa's greatest enemy's have always been the Indo-European, weather called by the name Arab, Ayrian, Caucasion, Europen or White, the relationship has historicly always been the same, "Slavery, Suffering, Death".
Prophet Muhammad Iban Abdula PBH is the "Last" to come to the wicked, no more will they receive. "Allah says to them, I have compleated my favor to you".
KMT,KEMET,Alkibulan,Etiope,Ethiopia, Abbassinea or Africa has always had (Sages) Prophets and none of them has ever claimed to be the "Last One to Come" to the Black African People.
Agree or Dis-agree, historicly speaking,before-6,000 years ago there was no so-called "White-Race" on this planet Earth.
They know who you are Black man and Black woman of KEMET, the problem is, "We" have forgotten who "We" and "They" really are today. Fortunately, our Black Ancestors of KMT (Africa) Egypt knew well and left us the proof.
Hotep

PEACE to the god Moorfius,

Yes sir, As well as the TRUE PSALMS of Ankhenaten...........

"do you think that's air your breathing"

Peace Moorfius

Peace,



Question, why aren't the meder netu or whatever ancient Kemetic scripture being used today? Brother because of the Holy Quran, (and bible) you have people like Noble Drew Ali, The Hon. Elijah Muhammed and the Minister Farrakhan who have lifted many of our people from the dead thanks to Allah.

When our people lacked knowledge of self, what book gave them wisdom, taught them the truth about God and self, and our divine nature as the Original Man and Wombman? The Holy Quran (and also with the help of the Bible)..


I am not overlooking what you call errors however, I want you to see that each of these Holy Books still have knowledge and wisdom to offer. If you look for errors in these books, that is what you will find, if you look for "Light" in these books, that is what you will find.


Peace....

Peace,



Question, why aren't the meder netu or whatever ancient Kemetic scripture being used today? Brother because of the Holy Quran, (and bible) you have people like Noble Drew Ali, The Hon. Elijah Muhammed and the Minister Farrakhan who have lifted many of our people from the dead thanks to Allah.

When our people lacked knowledge of self, what book gave them wisdom, taught them the truth about God and self, and our divine nature as the Original Man and Wombman? The Holy Quran (and also with the help of the Bible)..


I am not overlooking what you call errors however, I want you to see that each of these Holy Books still have knowledge and wisdom to offer. If you look for errors in these books, that is what you will find, if you look for "Light" in these books, that is what you will find.


Peace....


For one. the Medu Neter was deciphered only 200 years ago, and unlike Islam and Christianity, our people did not come across it by persuasion, coercion or threat of life and limb.

Secondly, there is no "kemetic scripture" the medu neter is not a book, it can be found on monuments, papyri, tombs et al. Medu Neter teaches all of the things and more, you say the Quran taught the black man and woman about his/her true self. All three major religions owe a huge debt to what was taught in khemet, make no mistake about it.

Lastly, the Medu Neter is being used. You just haven't had the chance to meet anyone that does. However I do. more than a few in fact.

PEACE,

I have never said I was a Muslim alone! A true Muslim does not need a book all that Muslim need do is follow Nature's perfect example of submission to be in tune with that 1 God..........

peace

True indeed.

HOTEP

Peace,

Question, why aren't the meder netu or whatever ancient Kemetic scripture being used today?
....

PEACE JAHIL:

The PERT EM HERU is indeed in use. The entire AUSAR/AUSET SOCIETY as well as the SEMA INSTITUTE here in the West, as well as various Nubian tribes still in Africa use the texts, as the basis for their spiritual systems.

Please do not mistake the fact that because you perhaps have not heard of the book (being used), that it is not in circulation.

My first contact with the book was through a Nubian woman during my first visit to Egypt in the early 90's, while I was still with the NOI.

Brother because of the Holy Quran, (and bible) you have people like Noble Drew Ali, The Hon. Elijah Muhammed and the Minister Farrakhan who have lifted many of our people from the dead thanks to Allah.

There is no doubt of this. However, that does not take away the fact that there are numerous historical, cultural, and other errors within both books (Bible moreso than the Qur'an).

Most of us know many of the errors of the Bible, but I can site some Qur'anic errors as well, in addition to what the God INFO posted, and will do so later.

PEACE

To Sekhemu and Samurai


Brothers, all I draw from this was that our ancestors were the founder of Islam (and the other two major religions). Which was later on given to the illiterate Arabs in a way they can understand. The basis of the Quran (and Bible) can be trace back to ancient Kemet. It is not a accident that the Prophet Drew Ali became a Noble of the Egyptian Mystic Shrine and you can also find many Kemetic parallels relating to the teachings of the Hon. Elijah Muhammed.

Why is much of ancient Kemetic wisdom found in the Holy Quran?

Remember, Prophet Mohammed made many trips to Ethiopia and also one of his wives was coptic (which is said to have some influence over him).

Could it be that we were already practicing Islam in a more spiritual and indignous fashion than the Arabs? I think so..

Submission to the will of the Creator didn't start 1600 years ago brothers..

But to prove my point, I will start a thread concerning an ancient Pharoah who I found interesting...


Salaam...

True indeed, JAHIL........I bear witness.

And MARYAM AL-QUBTIYAH (Prophet Muhammad's Coptic Wife) is a very good reference.


PEACE

Peace,



Question, why aren't the meder netu or whatever ancient Kemetic scripture being used today? Brother because of the Holy Quran, (and bible) you have people like Noble Drew Ali, The Hon. Elijah Muhammed and the Minister Farrakhan who have lifted many of our people from the dead thanks to Allah.

When our people lacked knowledge of self, what book gave them wisdom, taught them the truth about God and self, and our divine nature as the Original Man and Wombman? The Holy Quran (and also with the help of the Bible)..


I am not overlooking what you call errors however, I want you to see that each of these Holy Books still have knowledge and wisdom to offer. If you look for errors in these books, that is what you will find, if you look for "Light" in these books, that is what you will find.


Peace....


peace,

True indeed god, but this thread was started not to knock the essence or spiritual guidance that can be found in the Bible or Qu'ran but rather to make it clear that WE have to take it back to the essence to become ourselves again. No book can do that for us. All the books can do is take us to a door or certain mental level, but it will not provide the key to unlock that same door.

- Yes, those beautiful brothers you mentioned raised the mentally dead, but was it really the books or our Unity & love for each other that cleaned US up & had us thinking of our ancestors again???

- these contradictions as in the bible show us that MAN has taken us off course purposely to try to keep us wallowing in our own vomit, but as I said Islam existed b4 the book came into existance thru the prophet (pbuh).

peace from the god Sincere.........

To Sekhemu and Samurai


Brothers, all I draw from this was that our ancestors were the founder of Islam (and the other two major religions). Which was later on given to the illiterate Arabs in a way they can understand. The basis of the Quran (and Bible) can be trace back to ancient Kemet. It is not a accident that the Prophet Drew Ali became a Noble of the Egyptian Mystic Shrine and you can also find many Kemetic parallels relating to the teachings of the Hon. Elijah Muhammed.

Why is much of ancient Kemetic wisdom found in the Holy Quran?

Remember, Prophet Mohammed made many trips to Ethiopia and also one of his wives was coptic (which is said to have some influence over him).

Could it be that we were already practicing Islam in a more spiritual and indignous fashion than the Arabs? I think so..

Submission to the will of the Creator didn't start 1600 years ago brothers..

But to prove my point, I will start a thread concerning an ancient Pharoah who I found interesting...


Salaam...

Peace god,

this is exactly what I'm saying....what is the "source", or root as we are taught in the divine language of mathematics......

peace

Koran 2:85-

"Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. "




Koran 29:24-

"Nay, but the Quran is a clear revelation in the hearts of those who are endowed with knowledge, and none deny Our revelations save the wrong-doers or unjust"

I'm curious as to why posting verses from the book in question, somehow proves that the book is therefore unquestionable....... :confused:

No, I just put those scriptures out so that those reading them can properly separate the TRUE BELIEVERS from the DISBELIEVERS and HYPORCITES.


If you believe the Koran is corrupt and Allah is just a pagan goddess...believe what you want.

Just don't call yourself a Muslim.

No, I just put those scriptures out so that those reading them can properly separate the TRUE BELIEVERS from the DISBELIEVERS and HYPORCITES.

Oh, well that makes all the more sense.........Especially when it has NOTHING to do with this discussion.

Let me know when you can provide some historical evidence about the QUR'AN, and not just your discernment about BELIEF.

If you believe the Koran is corrupt and Allah is just a pagan goddess...believe what you want.

Just don't call yourself a Muslim.

First off, I don't "BELIEVE" anything. I'm not like you, and I think I already told you this before.

You don't retain information very well, do you?

Secondly, who is going to stop me from calling myself "One of Peace" (which is what MUSLIM means)?

You?

I'd challenge you to try, but I have to say that I'm a little leary of the emotive state that you seem to operate from.

SALAAMZ

Peace black....

Islam means Peace

Muslim means "One who Submits"


How can you properly submit when you think you are God, who are you submitting to?

PEACE RALF:

Mu'As-Salim is the etymological word for Muslim. It never meant "to Submit".

It's simply a variation of the word Islam--adding "MU" to Islam to create a new word.

For example:

Run, Runs, Running = a state of moving quickly on one's legs.

Runner = One who runs.

The word Muslim was around in Ancient Arabia before the coming of Prophet Muhammad, and it had numerous uses, from the domestic to the spiritual.

Also, as I had stated previously, there is an entirely different word in Arabic for "submission" and and "one who submits.

If you do not believe me, then you can go to this site:

http://www.ectaco.com/online/diction.php3?lang=3&q=3&refid=831&rfr_id=740&rqt_id=9598267&pagelang=23&word=&direction=1&x=36&y=13

And type in "Submit" and "Muslim" and take notice to the drastic grammatical differences.

The notion of the changing of the meaning of "Muslim" and "Islam" is accompanied by many of the false notions about pre-Islamic Arabia, called AL-JAHILLIYAH, or the time of ignorance.

This is also a post-modern falsehood, because the ancient Arabians were anything but ignorant; they practiced astronomy and physics during that time, long before the Prophet's birth and ministry. In fact that Pantheon of Gods and Goddesses that were "worshipped" during that time, were a reflection of that study.

The irony is, that after that Pantheon was abolished, did the intellectual pursuits in Southern Arabia begin to stagnate.

I can provide more into on this subject, per your request.

SALAAMZ

Tha ancient Arabs like most people around the world practiced ancestor worship and majic.

I understand the history of them and how making hajj, the name Allah, and worshiping at the Kabbah all existed before the time of the prophet.

Although they acknowledged that there as One true God and Creator...they didn't worship Him but chose to worship idols, people, and spirits.

They chose to continue in the ignorance that their ancestors were practicing.

They were in gross ignorance until one came along to turn them to on the right path, then they became successful.

We can either choose to do the same or continue in the ignorance of past generations and remain in the same predicament.

Tha ancient Arabs like most people around the world practiced ancestor worship and majic.

I understand the history of them and how making hajj, the name Allah, and worshiping at the Kabbah all existed before the time of the prophet.

Although they acknowledged that there as One true God and Creator...they didn't worship Him but chose to worship idols, people, and spirits.

They chose to continue in the ignorance that their ancestors were practicing.

They were in gross ignorance until one came along to turn them to on the right path, then they became successful.

We can either choose to do the same or continue in the ignorance of past generations and remain in the same predicament.

Obviously I have a different perspective of all of this.....

The concepts of ancient spirituality remain grossed misinterpreted, misperceived and misconstrued, because they are perpetually seen through contemporary, Western eyes.

To the ancients, and people who follow their footsteps to this very day, the modern concepts of so-called "monotheism" are "pagan", and considered an abomination of the ancient ways.

By the way, the term "Pagan" originally meant anyone who is not CHRISTIAN. Technically, you as a Muslim would be considered "pagan" as well.

Also, to call the Ancient Arabs "igorant" would be to lay the same insult upon the Kemetians and the Chinese (among others) for the very same reason; would you label a people who created medicine, mathematics, and built complex structures as ignorant?

Further, I have always had an issue with the concept of AL-JAHILIYYAH, because intellectual pursuits are the living antithesis to "ignorance".

As I stated, SABA, HIMYAR and QEDAR (ancient southern Arabia) as well as AKKAD (ancient northern Arabia) was at the height of her intellectual and spiritual development prior to switching her mode of thinking from Esoterum to Exoterum.

After the coming of contemporary Islam, Arabia remained a barren wasteland, full of wandering theives, up until the post modern times, where the industrial age produced the oil industry.

Contemporary Islam has nothing intellectual or philosophical to show for itself; it fell into a mindset of superstition, where there were once scientists, priests (and priestesses, especially under the reign of SHEBA), and scholars--whom people have mistaken for "practicing magic".

This is why it's best to KNOW instead of BELIEVE.

Belief warps our perceptions about things, while knowledge only enhances it.

PEACE

PEACE RALF:

Tha ancient Arabs like most people around the world practiced ancestor worship and majic.

Could you give some historical examples of the magical practices of the Arabs at that time?

Sam

Peace black...



All the "book knowledge" in the world will do you no good if you don't have a proper moral compass to guide you and keep society together.

It's a fact that not only were Arabs massacaring eachother wholesale with absolutely no type of restraint over the most minor and petty of disputes (just like we are today), but they used to worship stone statues, abused the institution of marriage or ignoring it all together by taking on as many women as they desired and abandoning the ones they no longer wanted and call them "mother", ate human and animal feces, ate eachother, practiced regular homosexuality and incest.....all part of their paganistic rituals of magic and superstition.


And despite the wealth of knowledge the LEADERS and a chosen few of those civilizations had, most of the people remained illiterate and enslaved to the wealthy...much like it has returned to today.


This is all as a result of gross ignorance of moral values.


After the coming of Islam the varioud warring families and tribes were united under ONE banner of morality and a concrete set of principles that stablized the society and allowed them to pool all useful and positive forms of science and knowledge together in order to create on of the greatest and longest lasting civilizations this world had ever known.


The Islamic empire spread farther and faster than any in history.

[B]Sam

Peace black...



All the "book knowledge" in the world will do you no good if you don't have a proper moral compass to guide you and keep society together.

I agree with this totally and whole-heartedly.

It's a fact that not only were Arabs massacaring eachother wholesale with absolutely no type of restraint over the most minor and petty of disputes (just like we are today), but they used to worship stone statues, abused the institution of marriage or ignoring it all together by taking on as many women as they desired and abandoning the ones they no longer wanted and call them "mother", ate human and animal feces, ate eachother, practiced regular homosexuality and incest.....all part of their paganistic rituals of magic and superstition.

Can you provide some references to substantiate these "facts"?

And despite the wealth of knowledge the LEADERS and a chosen few of those civilizations had, most of the people remained illiterate and enslaved to the wealthy...much like it has returned to today.

I agree that the often-times self-appointed leaders of most societies have exploited the predicaments of any given society for selfish end. However, I'm requesting that in the ancient Arabian case, if you could provide who some of these leaders were, and during what time periods they ruled in.


After the coming of Islam the varioud warring families and tribes were united under ONE banner of morality and a concrete set of principles that stablized the society and allowed them to pool all useful and positive forms of science and knowledge together in order to create on of the greatest and longest lasting civilizations this world had ever known.

I'm not sure where this understanding comes from (still looking for references), but even the various ISLAMIC CALIPHATE warred with each other. There was never any real unified "Islamic civilization", except when the European Christians threatened to wipe Islam as a whole out. Only then did Muslims unify, but it was under a political agenda, and not necessarily a religious or even cultural one.

You are aware that these Caliphates still held slaves and brutalized women, yes?

And what were the "forms of science" that you speak of? It's a researchable fact that the Islamic world had furthered very little on the intellectual and scientific fronts after Muhammad.

They spent all their time warring (either with each other, or with the white man), to dedicate any time science.

Not to mention with the exception of AL-AZAR in CAIRO and the school in Baghdad (both of which are more religious institutions than scientific), hardly any scientific schools were erected in the Muslim world since that time.

For that matter, little to no structures were built that were not Mosques--none the likes of the QA'BAH or the pyramids.

Where is the Post-Islamic intellect?

Speaking of which:

The Islamic empire spread farther and faster than any in history.

Although that's not totally correct (ROME had them beat, and so did ALEXANDER), you have to take into consideration HOW the spread so far and so quickly.

Islam spread through war, not through intellectual achievement.

Besides, spreading far and fast is not necessarily a good thing; diseases spread far and fast as well.

Also, most species that are in harmony with their environment need not spread beyond their intended means, and whenever they do, they are quickly equalibrated.

Empires fall eventually.

PEACE

Brutha Samurai

Now you're asking for references.

When I gave them to you bountifully....you rejected them.

I'm asking for bibliographical references.

That's different than posting info from various websites.

If that's all it took, then we'd all be internet geniuses.

Anyone with a computer can type up some info on a website and post it up, and pass it off as information, but scholarly research requires hours, months, and years of study.

PEACE

peace,

Did any of Noah's sons drown in the flood?

In Sura 11:41-43 it is written, "And as the Ark moved on with them amidst the mountainous waves, Noah cried out to his son, who was apart: 'Embark with us, my child,' he said. 'Do not stay with the unbelievers!'

He said: 'I shall seek refuge in a mountain, which will protect me from the flood.'

He said, 'None shall be secure this day from Allah's judgment, except those to whom He will show mercy!' And thereupon the billows rolled between them, and he was drowned.



But in Sura 21:76 it is written: "And (remember Noah). When he invoked Us, We heard his prayer, and We saved him and all his kinsfolk from the great calamity, and delivered him from the people who had denied Our revelations. Evil men they were; We drowned them all."

peace,

Did any of Noah's sons drown in the flood?

In Sura 11:41-43 it is written, "And as the Ark moved on with them amidst the mountainous waves, Noah cried out to his son, who was apart: 'Embark with us, my child,' he said. 'Do not stay with the unbelievers!'

He said: 'I shall seek refuge in a mountain, which will protect me from the flood.'

He said, 'None shall be secure this day from Allah's judgment, except those to whom He will show mercy!' And thereupon the billows rolled between them, and he was drowned.



But in Sura 21:76 it is written: "And (remember Noah). When he invoked Us, We heard his prayer, and We saved him and all his kinsfolk from the great calamity, and delivered him from the people who had denied Our revelations. Evil men they were; We drowned them all."

Hmm, good eye Lord......Not to mention the fact that this contradicts the Bible, since no one is reported to have drowned AT ALL in the Bible.

How is this explained?

SALAAMZ

Hmm, good eye Lord......Not to mention the fact that this contradicts the Bible, since no one is reported to have drowned AT ALL in the Bible.

How is this explained?

SALAAMZ

Peace black man

True indeed God....................

this will be interesting because out of more than 30 replies not one of the previous contradictions have even been touced yet...

Peace God

So I noticed..... :donttell:

PEACE

Infomoetry

Did any of Noah's sons drown in the flood?

In Sura 11:41-43 it is written, "And as the Ark moved on with them amidst the mountainous waves, Noah cried out to his son, who was apart: 'Embark with us, my child,' he said. 'Do not stay with the unbelievers!'

He said: 'I shall seek refuge in a mountain, which will protect me from the flood.'

He said, 'None shall be secure this day from Allah's judgment, except those to whom He will show mercy!' And thereupon the billows rolled between them, and he was drowned.



But in Sura 21:76 it is written: "And (remember Noah). When he invoked Us, We heard his prayer, and We saved him and all his kinsfolk from the great calamity, and delivered him from the people who had denied Our revelations. Evil men they were; We drowned them all."
__________________

That's a pretty good one right there...

I don't know what translation you took that from but in Yusef Ali it goes like:


21:76 "Remember Noah, when he cried (to Us) aforetime: We listened to his (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress. "


I didn't find the word ALL mention concering his family being deliverd.

But I'll concede and admit it's still APPEARS to be a contradiction...in the translation atleast.

I'd like to point out, that A. YUSEF ALI is notorious for his inaccurate translations, and there have been numerous revisions of his translations throughout the years, making his work as a whole less reputable.

I used to have a comprehensice list of many of his grammatical mistakes of Arabic, and I had even submitted this list to the American Muslim Commission a while back, which wholly endorses his work.

The Mulauna Muhammad Ali version is the only version that I go by, and it has only been translated once.

INFO, might I suggest you posting which version you go by?

PEACE