Hello Family,

I have never worked for an employer that required me to provide bodily fluids, or leave any part of my physical self with them.

When i was in the process of adopting my niece, the folk wanted my son and i to provide our fingerprints (because he was almost an adult they said). I refused. I told them i had raised my son to never do anything that required his fingerprints be taken, and he become a part of the system ... and i was not going to change that now. The adoption process was a long-drawn out affair, because White folk had become involved early on ... even with the baby living with some for a short period ... and they wanted to keep her. I was bound and determined to keep that from happening, but i refused to provide our fingerprints. The adoption was successful of course. God is Good.

All of this to say, i think it is a major infringement on our privacy and selves!

How dare someone want my bodily fluids ... and expect me to kindly hand them over! :eeek:

Were we sleeping when this was introduced and took hold?

Bodily fluids in exchange for a job?!

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Destee

Drug testing for jobs.... you have to provide either blood, urine, or hair...
Alcohol testing either blood or lung air.... I guess they have to have a way of weeding out potential problem employees. Not to mention saftey issues for commercial drivers and other's performing saftey sensitive work such as heavy equipment operators... But I agree that in this day and age it's discomfiting to know that folk hiring want your bodily fluids knowing that it contains your DNA... definitely a privacy issue there !

Much Peace,
Akilah :wave:

Hello Family,

I have never worked for an employer that required me to provide bodily fluids, or leave any part of my physical self with them.

When i was in the process of adopting my niece, the folk wanted my son and i to provide our fingerprints (because he was almost an adult they said). I refused. I told them i had raised my son to never do anything that required his fingerprints be taken, and he become a part of the system ... and i was not going to change that now. The adoption process was a long-drawn out affair, because White folk had become involved early on ... even with the baby living with some for a short period ... and they wanted to keep her. I was bound and determined to keep that from happening, but i refused to provide our fingerprints. The adoption was successful of course. God is Good.

All of this to say, i think it is a major infringement on our privacy and selves!

How dare someone want my bodily fluids ... and expect me to kindly hand them over! :eeek:

Were we sleeping when this was introduced and took hold?

Bodily fluids in exchange for a job?!

:heart:

Destee


Yes sistah, we were sleep when this precedent took effect. Not only are employers asking for the fluids, but the NYS dept. of Correction is demanding it of felons, claiming that they(dept. of Corr.) want to make sure that the incoming prisoners don't infect the one's already locked up. Yea Right. Like they care if black folks get infected in Jail. What are they doing with the bodily fluids taken from our brothas, and sistahs?

We have to be carefull here family. As those who work in the government such as myself find that you have given the advantage to the enemy. You have given them a piece of you no matter what you do if its bad it will come back to haunt you.

For example every policeman's finger prints are in the federal database not because they are criminals, but because they work for the government. This information if it got into the wrong hands could be very very damaging.

All Im saying is dont volunteer anything and be carefull when its required. :danger: :danger: :danger:

We did some experiments with fingerprints in class..you can take a piece of tape..and put it on a glass..and lift fingerprints off of it..and place them somewhere else...

I haven't had a drug test for a job in a long time, last time i had one was for when i had a seizure...and some doctor's visits. I can see how it can be a big deal though..all this dirt going down..cant trust people.

What type of job was it for? Jobs requiring a certain level of security are more likely to require drug testing. I personally don't have a problem with this, and I do think it is pertinent for certain types of employment. Would you want a drug-addicted nurse or doctor working on you, a drunk truck driver on the road, and so on?

However, I do draw the line for jobs requiring a security clearance. That I feel is an invasion of my privacy, and really none of their **** business. If they say 'security clearance required' I don't bother to apply.

We have to be carefull here family. As those who work in the government such as myself find that you have given the advantage to the enemy. You have given them a piece of you no matter what you do if its bad it will come back to haunt you.

For example every policeman's finger prints are in the federal database not because they are criminals, but because they work for the government. This information if it got into the wrong hands could be very very damaging.

All Im saying is dont volunteer anything and be carefull when its required. :danger: :danger: :danger:

It's only damaging if you have committed a crime. If you are law-abiding, you should be okay.

Fingerprinting and urine tests don't bother me because those are physical things showing you are crime and drug-free. Security clearances, however, do bother me because then they start probing into your personal life, trying to find things that you've done that (though not unlawful), may be considered to some sinful, eccentric, etc. I will not give anybody the right to pry into my personal affairs like that.

I also think companies rejecting an applicant because they have bad credit is wrong as well.

Yes I had a job that required that required my dental records, finger prints, foot prints and a DNA sample. I was a soldier. If I were killed and mutilated or burned beyond recognization they would be able to identify my remains to inform my family. That was important to me especially due to the nature of my service. I was a helicopter crewmember and went on flying missions quite often.


Peace Fam

this just something i feel we as people should protect
they can do whatever with it and have you mess up for life
beside i don't see the great need for such !
but understand this systemize structure and why they do it now
but yes we truely missed it.....beside they can keep that J.0.B !
cause i'm not given it up it's mines and mines alone nobody can
make me share it .

Well, most jobs now require atleast a urine sample for drug testing.


Destee

:devil: Are you afraid someone may use part of your being for some VooDoo or witch-craft purposes?

this still bothers me

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Destee

this still bothers me

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Destee


Welcome to employment in the real world. So many idiots have done so many stupid things out here. Employers have be held liable for the things their employees do. Especially if it is proven that the employer should have known. Billions of dollars are lost every year by employers that hire criminals/junkies into their ranks

Welcome to employment in the real world. So many idiots have done so many stupid things out here. Employers have be held liable for the things their employees do. Especially if it is proven that the employer should have known. Billions of dollars are lost every year by employers that hire criminals/junkies into their ranks

I still don't like it ... i think it speaks to something much bigger than companies protecting themselves.

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Destee

I still don't like it ... i think it speaks to something much bigger than companies protecting themselves.

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Destee


Actually, the companies had to. Promising engineer at GM takes a vet out of the pool for a joy ride. He is known to drink a lot. He goes out drinking. And drag racing on an express way. Destroys the vet and the lives of a mother and her three children in the process. He doesnt have a scratch. In the process of the investigation, it is discovered not only he has drinking habits, but GM knew of others. Now GM has plenty of money. But 90 days after this comes out, no more pulling a vehicle from the pool. ALL the auto companies instituted the same policies.
Junkies destroy billions of dollars of equipment every year. Is it easier to just eat the costs, pass them along to the customers or eliminate the cause of the loss?

Self preservation and stupidity made these rules

It's only damaging if you have committed a crime. If you are law-abiding, you should be okay.

Fingerprinting and urine tests don't bother me because those are physical things showing you are crime and drug-free. Security clearances, however, do bother me because then they start probing into your personal life, trying to find things that you've done that (though not unlawful), may be considered to some sinful, eccentric, etc. I will not give anybody the right to pry into my personal affairs like that.

I also think companies rejecting an applicant because they have bad credit is wrong as well.
Do you honestly believe that by not cooperating or participating in security clearances you can avoid people from finding information out about your "personal" life? There is no such thing anymore as "personal" anything and "privacy" is nothing more than an illusion.

Oh yeah, and now that we have this government department called HOMELAND SECURITY, the government AND employers can justify invading your privacy merely on the grounds of national security or as a business necessity. Here again this is another example of how American citizen's rights are constantly being infringed upon in direct contradiction to the Constitutional Amendments. This is an easy ploy for perpetuating racism, classism, sexism and any other "ism" that those in charge want to use it for.

imo...

reguardles if you submit to it or not, if you were born after 1945 your fingerprints are on file.. at the hospital in which you were born, did you really think the govt' would let such vital info be deleted?
Looking at my own footprints and finger prints...
I see now that the system of identification was intact long before 9-11...
its the unification of these documents in which they have issues with..
every state has thier own system,
which is why most crimes commited locally are easier solved than those which are done nationally.

Do you honestly believe that by not cooperating or participating in security clearances you can avoid people from finding information out about your "personal" life? There is no such thing anymore as "personal" anything and "privacy" is nothing more than an illusion.

Oh yeah, and now that we have this government department called HOMELAND SECURITY, the government AND employers can justify invading your privacy merely on the grounds of national security or as a business necessity. Here again this is another example of how American citizen's rights are constantly being infringed upon in direct contradiction to the Constitutional Amendments. This is an easy ploy for perpetuating racism, classism, sexism and any other "ism" that those in charge want to use it for.

imo...

Sister Queenie ... i miss you and your wisdom ... Happy New Year.

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Destee