peace family,

This is one of the first to ever present proof of Afrikan origins as the Mothers & Fathers of Civilization on this side of the 20th century!!! He presented it beyond a reasonable doubt & the Europeans blocked his works from being published here in Amerika. It was his friend Dr. John Henrik Clarke who finally after years of trying, got some of his books published here....

much respect due to the god!!!!!!

http://www.africawithin.com/diop/diop_bio1.htm

peace

peace family,

This is one of the first to ever present proof of Afrikan origins as the Mothers & Fathers of Civilization on this side of the 20th century!!! He presented it beyond a reasonable doubt & the Europeans blocked his works from being published here in Amerika. It was his friend Dr. John Henrik Clarke who finally after years of trying, got some of his books published here....

much respect due to the god!!!!!!

http://www.africawithin.com/diop/diop_bio1.htm

peace


Thank you brotha for posting this thread on one of our most Illustrious Ancestors.

Ashe

"The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality" This book should be in every black household!

Peace,




Cheikh Anta Diop is one of my first teachers. He was the one who showed me that the Ancient Egyptians were a dark people of Afrika.

Peace....

I read about Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop in Visions for Black Men. I like his perseverance. Is John Hendrik Clarke on the same level as him? I have been looking all over for the Origins of African Civilization.

CD

I believe I read somewhere here on Destee's forums
that Dr Diop had a white wife... would ya'll still consider
him to be a pro-black ?

I did not find anything relevant to that.

CD

I believe I read somewhere here on Destee's forums
that Dr Diop had a white wife... would ya'll still consider
him to be a pro-black ?

Sorry I responded to this so late Akilah, but I just noticed it. Dr. [Cheikh] Diop felt that there was only one human race, the African race. Everything else was a mutation off African genes. Thus he probably felt, he was "purifying" his white wife, and saw no contradiction in his actions. In many ways this is a variation of a modern idea that race is just a social construct, which has become very popular in many black intellectual circles.

Personally I don't subscribe to the theory of race being a social construct. There is one species that all people belong to, which is homo sapien-sapien. This is why we are able to reproduce with one another. However there are definately different races, with different characteristics between us. To illustrate this point I'd like to make a comparison with cats and dogs (I hate to compare people with animals, but I think it is an accurate comparison in this case). It is possible to bred a Tiger with a Lion or a Cheetah with a Leopard because they all belong to the same species. However all four animals are different races with distinct characteristics and behaviors. This also holds true for different species of dogs. The same also holds true for humans!

I take nothing away from Professor Diop, his works were nothing short of ground breaking and brilliant. However declaring oneself pro-black while having children and leaving one's inheritance with other races (in particular the race of your enemy) is a contradiction which can't be overlooked in any circumstances. I've always said blacks in IRs can do good works for the black community, but that doesn't make them pro-black. The motivations behind one's actions are just as important as the acts themselves. Indeed the ultimate motive behind most blacks in this situation is the improvement of the black community, in order to achieve the acceptance of whites.

All this being said, pro-blackness is a title thrown around far too liberally these days. Pro-blackness is not an action. Pro-blackness is not a body of work. Pro-blackness is not a tendancy. Pro-blackness is a lifestyle! It involves ones political, economic, and social behavior (which involves dating, marrying, and mating). If one is talking black, acting black, but having their children & giving the profits (inheritance) of their deeds to other communities....then no they aren't pro-black! If one's social behavior serves to further dillute the black race instead of ensuring the continuance of the black race....again they aren't pro-black!

Although I do not support interracial dating, I recognize it as inevitable in an integrated society. Indeed the European & American social-political and economic order requires non-whites to assimilate into white culture in order to advance within it. This is especially true of the French, which is the environment that Diop came under. Although one can assimilate through education, occupation, or affiliation. The most powerful expression of assimilation into white culture that a non-white person can demonstrate is to marry a white person. This achieves three major functions: 1. If the black person is successful, the benefits of his/her achievements do not go to the benefit of the black community. 2. The further dilution of African blood. 3. The creation of offspring with a great likelihood to identify with & promote their non-black heritage within the confines of the black community (thus operating as agents of conversion and division).

Most blacks in relationships with whites (or other non-blacks) are fully aware that they are assimilating into white culture. In addition to this, most are making a deliberate effort to further dilute their African blood, and distance themselves from their African heritage. Although I do not agree with their choice, there is nothing I (nor anyone else) can do to stop it. Not only can people not be stopped from abandoning a community/culture, those who choose this route should be let go. That being said, I take strong exception to a black person in an interracial relationship that dares to classify themselves as “pro-black”. Such a person is either unaware of how their social behavior fulfills one of the biggest goals of white supremacy (the genetic destruction of the black race); or, they are trying to deliberately misguide & misdirect the black community!! The most important aspect of pro-blackness is the continuation of the black race, which is only guaranteed with black people having children with black people! One can not fight the system of white supremacy through their works, while simultaneously supporting it through their social behavior (having non-black children). It is a contradiction which can not be reconciled.

Yes that makes a lot of sense Baba Pan. Because despite whether he was married to a white woman or not, his perseverance while in college inspired me.

CD

Sorry I responded to this so late Akilah, but I just noticed it. Dr. [Cheikh] Diop felt that there was only one human race, the African race. Everything else was a mutation off African genes. Thus he probably felt, he was "purifying" his white wife, and saw no contradiction in his actions. In many ways this is a variation of a modern idea that race is just a social construct, which has become very popular in many black intellectual circles.

Personally I don't subscribe to the theory of race being a social construct. There is one species that all people belong to, which is homo sapien-sapien. This is why we are able to reproduce with one another. However there are definately different races, with different characteristics between us. To illustrate this point I'd like to make a comparison with cats and dogs (I hate to compare people with animals, but I think it is an accurate comparison in this case). It is possible to bred a Tiger with a Lion or a Cheetah with a Leopard because they all belong to the same species. However all four animals are different races with distinct characteristics and behaviors. This also holds true for different species of dogs. The same also holds true for humans!

I take nothing away from Professor Diop, his works were nothing short of ground breaking and brilliant. However declaring oneself pro-black while having children and leaving one's inheritance with other races (in particular the race of your enemy) is a contradiction which can't be overlooked in any circumstances. I've always said blacks in IRs can do good works for the black community, but that doesn't make them pro-black. The motivations behind one's actions are just as important as the acts themselves. Indeed the ultimate motive behind most blacks in this situation is the improvement of the black community, in order to achieve the acceptance of whites.

All this being said, pro-blackness is a title thrown around far too liberally these days. Pro-blackness is not an action. Pro-blackness is not a body of work. Pro-blackness is not a tendancy. Pro-blackness is a lifestyle! It involves ones political, economic, and social behavior (which involves dating, marrying, and mating). If one is talking black, acting black, but having their children & giving the profits (inheritance) of their deeds to other communities....then no they aren't pro-black! If one's social behavior serves to further dillute the black race instead of ensuring the continuance of the black race....again they aren't pro-black!


Brother DIOP was an African scholar and pioneer. He was required reading in hist of civ for all freshmen at my college.

That a young brother would have the audacity to question his blackness based on who he married is incredible. The man's contribution to black people's the world over cannot be measured and I'm sad to see something like this posted about our ancestor.

Maybe if it were coming from a scholar of DIOP's merit, but I for one would never feel entitled to take DIOP down a notch - no matter what I thought of his lifestyle choices.

Brother DIOP was an African scholar and pioneer. He was required reading in hist of civ for all freshmen at my college.

That a young brother would have the audacity to question his blackness based on who he married is incredible. The man's contribution to black people's the world over cannot be measured and I'm sad to see something like this posted about our ancestor.

Maybe if it were coming from a scholar of DIOP's merit, but I for one would never feel entitled to take DIOP down a notch - no matter what I thought of his lifestyle choices.


I don't doubt that Diop's research was awesome. But, I am curious how you distinguish him, given his taste in mates, from a Sowell or Thomas? Was his choice "helpful" to the perpetuation of the Black race? Was his rejection of the Black woman a GOOD thing?

His life work served to destroy, at least in academic circles, the very foundations of white supremacy. Sowell and Thomas's life work on the other hand has been to maintain it. His choice of mate may not be my preference but I'd feel no entitlement to judge an ancestor, a scholar of this magnitude because of it.

You know actually - this is the first time I've EVER heard DIOP had a white wife. Where did this come from anyway? We can't tear down our ancestors like this with no proof. I saw some pictures of DIOP's kids and they definitely don't look like they are offspring from a white woman / black man.

Kemetkind,

First, I don't want you to think I'm discrediting his work....'cause I'm not. But if you're going to make the decision to destroy the foundations of white supremacy, it should be done on ALL levels....to talk black and sleep white still ain't cool in my book. Remember?....I told you that for me, blackness is just as much genetic as it is spiritual/mental. As for Diop's wife, it's pretty common knowledge that she wasn't black. Other scholars like Runoko Rashidi know of the marriage..in fact, Rashidi revealed in an interview that he'd met one or more of Diop's sons....who also married nonblack. So, if that is the case, who's going to inherit the benefit of the destruction of white supremacy??? MORE white people?

Brother DIOP was an African scholar and pioneer.

I never said that he wasn't.

That a young brother would have the audacity to question his blackness based on who he married is incredible. The man's contribution to black people's the world over cannot be measured and I'm sad to see something like this posted about our ancestor.

Brother Diop's scholarly works made a major contribution to black intellectual and historical thought worldwide. You have no argument from me on this point. The same can be said of WEB Du Bois, yet you should see some of the opinions about him on this forum. Yes Diop's impact on black history and intellectual thought were incredible. However in his social choices, Diop made major contributions to the diluting of black blood, and the continuance of white supremacy (by having children with a white woman, who in turn married non-blacks).

Maybe if it were coming from a scholar of DIOP's merit, but I for one would never feel entitled to take DIOP down a notch - no matter what I thought of his lifestyle choices.

This would be true if I was disputing Diop's scholarship, but I'm not doing so. By this reasoning though, I assume you are a lawyer/judge of Clarence Thomas' merit, since you have given your criticism of him.

You know actually - this is the first time I've EVER heard DIOP had a white wife. Where did this come from anyway? We can't tear down our ancestors like this with no proof. I saw some pictures of DIOP's kids and they definitely don't look like they are offspring from a white woman / black man.

It is common knowledge that Diop was married to a white woman. Why would you think I'd comment on that without proof? Since you didn't know this common fact, who are you to question my right to comment on it?

Why is it that ever time a black man strives to do something significant, the first thing people do is look back to see if he did any dirt, and then judge them based on that? I am sick and tired of the tearing down of our people! We will NEVER become a better group of people like this!

Oh yeah that's right, some of our ancestors did what they did despite HOW people thought about them. Looking at Dr. Diop for what he did WRONG instead of what he did right, is almost like looking at James Baldwin for what he did WRONG instead of what he did right. Not to mention, that thread talking about those websites saying that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a womanizer - PLEASE! Only :gossip: . People may not be in agreement with him, but at least appreciate the impact!

What Dr. Diop did when he was at Paris is something that many students around the world are too afraid to do. I give him too much praise for that perseverance. At least he had the courage to take a stand against being lied to. What's next, hate Dr. Na'im Akbar for something he did in his childhood, and forget what he does to help black men?

CD

I don't doubt that Diop's research was awesome. But, I am curious how you distinguish him, given his taste in mates, from a Sowell or Thomas? Was his choice "helpful" to the perpetuation of the Black race? Was his rejection of the Black woman a GOOD thing?

These are essential questions sister Lioness. No one is doubting Diop's importance as an African scholar. What was being questioned here is whether or not Diop was pro-black. As I stated, one can not fight the system of white supremacy through their works, while simultaneously supporting it through their social behavior (having non-black children). I don't think it was a coincidence that he viewed there to be no difference between races, while moving to France and marrying a white woman.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara/antadiop.html


OK - so I guess we're back to what makes a person black again. I looked at this picture from the link above - pulled it down and blew it up - she doesn't look like a white woman to me.

That said - even if she is LILLY white - how can we judge this brother on this basis? Here we sit in 2005 questioning the blackness of DIOP?

The beneficiaries of his work are every black, white, yellow or whatever color you can think of because he has recorded, scientifically, the black foundations of civilization. He thought about ways to effect political change and decided scholarship was his avenue.

I think I'll cease and desist on this since I'm obviously way too far away from what those here think is positive for black people.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara/antadiop.html


OK - so I guess we're back to what makes a person black again. I looked at this picture from the link above - pulled it down and blew it up - she doesn't look like a white woman to me.

That said - even if she is LILLY white - how can we judge this brother on this basis? Here we sit in 2005 questioning the blackness of DIOP?

The beneficiaries of his work are every black, white, yellow or whatever color you can think of because he has recorded, scientifically, the black foundations of civilization. He thought about ways to effect political change and decided scholarship was his avenue.

I think I'll cease and desist on this since I'm obviously way too far away from what those here think is positive for black people.


Ok Kem...maybe I overlooked something in that link....to what "she" are you referring?? And...AGAIN...nobody is cheapening or downgrading Diop's research. I have a few of his books in my own collection....that doesn't phase out my original point.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara/antadiop.html

OK - so I guess we're back to what makes a person black again. I looked at this picture from the link above - pulled it down and blew it up - she doesn't look like a white woman to me.

That said - even if she is LILLY white - how can we judge this brother on this basis? Here we sit in 2005 questioning the blackness of DIOP?

The beneficiaries of his work are every black, white, yellow or whatever color you can think of because he has recorded, scientifically, the black foundations of civilization. He thought about ways to effect political change and decided scholarship was his avenue.

I think I'll cease and desist on this since I'm obviously way too far away from what those here think is positive for black people.

Kemetkind:

Diop's wife and children are not featured on that webpage, and I fail to see how Diop's work was beneficial to white & "yellow" people. Indeed white scholars have done nothing but try and discredit Diop's work. Very few people (if any) other than blacks accept the African Origins of Civilization. However, that is another topic.

You may not think Diop being married to a white woman is important, but that doesn't mean others have to share your opinion. As sister Lioness already asked you, how do you distinguish Diop, given his taste in mates, from a Sowell or Thomas? Because you appreciate (agree) with Diop's politics and not Thomas'? Contrary to popular opinion, Clarence Thomas considers himself to be a black man. In fact he has stated publically on several occassions that he is hurt at the outright rejection he receives from other blacks. We have to be constant here.

Kemetkind:

Diop's wife and children are not featured on that webpage, and I fail to see how Diop's work was beneficial to white & "yellow" people. Indeed white scholars have done nothing but try and discredit Diop's work. Very few people (if any) other than blacks accept the African Origins of Civilization. However, that is another topic.

You may not think Diop being married to a white woman is important, but that doesn't mean others have to share your opinion. As sister Lioness already asked you, how do you distinguish Diop, given his taste in mates, from a Sowell or Thomas? Because you appreciate (agree) with Diop's politics and not Thomas'? Contrary to popular opinion, Clarence Thomas considers himself to be a black man. In fact he has stated publically on several occassions that he is hurt at the outright rejection he receives from other blacks. We have to be constant here.

You need to look closer - DIOP and his wife are featured in the last photo on the page. They are marching in Paris protesting for the release of African politicians. The photo above that is DIOP with his children.

Yes - sister Lioness posed the question on how I distinguish DIOP from Thomas and I suggest you read the response before piggybacking and coming to another illogical conclusion.

I don't care what Clarence Thomas considers himself - his damage to the black community in America will be difficult to measure when it's all said and done. Same as DIOP's POSITIVE impact on black consciousness is difficult to quantify. To claim any MORAL equivalency because they both married
white women is just as logical as the rest of your reasoning.

DIOPs work impacts ALL people regardless of race because EVERYONE needs to know the origin of civilization. One key element white supremacy would have us believe is that the Afrikan hasn't contributed anything significant to history.Your myopic view of the world doesn't provide you the vision to comprehend it's important for ALL to understand the fallacy of this view.

And If you think you have the intellectual authority to question DIOP's choice of mate, so be it. It says more than a little about the quality of your Afrocentrism that you can even FIX YO MOUTH to say "Diop made major contributions to the diluting of black blood, and the continuance of white supremacy"

The title of this thread is "Honoring Our Ancestors." If your brand of blackness enables you to pass judgements on scholars who have had a GLOBAL POSITIVE impact on black peoples, I want no parts of it.

You need to look closer - DIOP and his wife are featured in the last photo on the page. They are marching in Paris protesting for the release of African politicians. The photo above that is DIOP with his children.
..The title of this thread is "Honoring Our Ancestors." If your brand of blackness enables you to pass judgements on scholars who have had a GLOBAL POSITIVE impact on black peoples, I want no parts of it.

In case you hadn't noticed kemetkind (which apparently you hadn't) those pictures are not subtitled. Just because a woman is standing next to him in a march doesn't mean that is his wife, nor does pictures of him standing with children mean those are his children. Now as far as this thread title is concerned, I was one of the members who proposed this forum, so I don't need you to point out its purpose. A major part of understanding history is analyzing the rights and wrongs of our ancestors. Indeed how else can people truly learn from the past unless they critic its participants? If you want to ancestor worship, there is another thread dedicated to that!

In case you hadn't noticed kemetkind (which apparently you hadn't) those pictures are not subtitled. Just because a woman is standing next to him in a march doesn't mean that is his wife, nor does pictures of him standing with children mean those are his children.

Man you are killing me. Right click on the image and go to properties. Read the text that says "alternate text" Alternate Text is what would display if the image could not load. Let it rest man.

Man you are killing me. Right click on the image and go to properties. Read the text that says "alternate text" Alternate Text is what would display if the image could not load. Let it rest man.

So the claims of people who personally knew Diop, that his wife was white is invalid? Fine if this is not accurate, then it isn't accurate. I didn't make up the belief that Diop's wife was white, so it doesn't mean anything to me to have it corrected. If Diop's wife was a black women, than I was wrong in stating he was not pro-black, and humbly take back what I said about him.

However, I stand steadfast in my opinion that blacks who are married to non-blacks can not possibly be classified as pro-black. It is shortsighted to believe who people marry and produce children with is irrelevant. What purpose does doing "good works" for the black community ultimately achieve, if those who supposedly are most concerned for its "well being" do nothing to ensure the continuance of the black race? What message does that send to those who follow them and idolize them?

Brother let's table this one. I didn't join Destee to be a source of conflict or confusion - I saw the positive energy from some of the posts and wanted to be a part.

I will admit I do idolize DIOP's scholarship - I can honestly say his work changed my life. Never before today had I heard he supported white supremacy or had a white wife. In my opinion, the impact he had on my consciousness would not have been lessened had I heard this before.

I don't think interracial marriage is good - nor irrelevant. I just feel if this brother's wife really was white it doesn't change the fact his positive contributions are still massive for black people.

Brother let's table this one. I didn't join Destee to be a source of conflict or confusion - I saw the positive energy from some of the posts and wanted to be a part.

I will admit I do idolize DIOP's scholarship - I can honestly say his work changed my life. Never before today had I heard he supported white supremacy or had a white wife. In my opinion, the impact he had on my consciousness would not have been lessened had I heard this before.

I don't think interracial marriage is good - nor irrelevant. I just feel if this brother's wife really was white it doesn't change the fact his positive contributions are still massive for black people.

Fair enough brother Kemetkind! And just for the record, I didn't feel Diop's "white" wife changed his positive contributions to the black community either.

For those critical of Cheikh Anta Diop, what are your blueprints for improving aspects of the black community? Blueprints meaning, what are the steps one can take in REAL LIFE to achieve certain goals? What are things I as an individual, or other individuals can realistically do to ensure myself and my children have a happy and sustained life in America (or even abroad)?

I have my own opinion on this, which will not change regardless of what others say or think. I have as much right to my own thoughts as people do theirs. Regardless, it looks to me in today's time NOBODY those deemed pro-black or otherwise is not taking enough action which is why we are having the issues we are having. And the few that are, we find ways to tear down, especially if they have something in their life we disagree with... this goes beyond non-black spouses. It could be economic (I believe kemetkind pointed that out in another thread) or religious. And if one wants examples, just turn on the news.. we do it so much it's not funny.

If unity and community achievement is to be had, people will need to work together for the greater good, and allow people to think or feel whatever they want about themselves... most don't force their lifestyle choices on others anyway.. I don't think Cheikh Diop did. Farakkhan didn't do it either (forcing Islam), during the Million Man March. If someone does do something in their life, they do it because they want to. Why? Because there are enough people not doing whatever regardless.

For those critical of Cheikh Anta Diop, what are your blueprints for improving aspects of the black community? Blueprints meaning, what are the steps one can take in REAL LIFE to achieve certain goals? What are things I as an individual, or other individuals can realistically do to ensure myself and my children have a happy and sustained life in America (or even abroad)?

I have my own opinion on this, which will not change regardless of what others say or think. I have as much right to my own thoughts as people do theirs. Regardless, it looks to me in today's time NOBODY those deemed pro-black or otherwise is not taking enough action which is why we are having the issues we are having. And the few that are, we find ways to tear down, especially if they have something in their life we disagree with... this goes beyond non-black spouses. It could be economic (I believe kemetkind pointed that out in another thread) or religious. And if one wants examples, just turn on the news.. we do it so much it's not funny.

If unity and community achievement is to be had, people will need to work together for the greater good, and allow people to think or feel whatever they want about themselves... most don't force their lifestyle choices on others anyway.. I don't think Cheikh Diop did. Farakkhan didn't do it either (forcing Islam), during the Million Man March. If someone does do something in their life, they do it because they want to. Why? Because there are enough people not doing whatever regardless.

There are plenty of us who have outlined plans to help the black community economically and socially. I myself have stated plenty of times my plans (and the progress of those plans) to create institutions that restore the African family values in the African American community. It can not be assumed that everyone is all talk and no show. You are more than welcome to your opinion. However one basic reality is that doing good works for the black community is negated if no one (particular those who advertise a concern for it) is ensuring the community continues to exist.

There are plenty of us who have outlined plans to help the black community economically and socially. I myself have stated plenty of times my plans (and the progress of those plans) to create institutions that restore the African family values in the African American community. It can not be assumed that everyone is all talk and no show. You are more than welcome to your opinion. However one basic reality is that doing good works for the black community is negated if no one (particular those who advertise a concern for it) is ensuring the community continues to exist.

As far as I'm concerned (my opinion), if someone has a child that will consider themselves black, they have.

As far as I'm concerned (my opinion), if someone has a child that will consider themselves black, they have.


I would imagine that the grand dragon of the KKK could consider him/herself "black", but does that make it a reality?

I would imagine that the grand dragon of the KKK could consider him/herself "black", but does that make it a reality?

To answer your question, theoretically this is not a realistic scenario because the KKK is explicitly anti-black. Most that are white or look white at least will not be disclosing they are black. But if he physically had black blood (or is like the guy in the black white supremacist Dave Chappelle skit), yes he would be black. In fact I saw a fool on Jerry Springer one time that claimed he wanted to be in the KKK and was black by anybody's definition, along with his wife. Of course, he could've been acting but still. At least we know Dave Chappelle was joking and actually making fun of that organization.

As far as I'm concerned (my opinion), if someone has a child that will consider themselves black, they have.

That child isn’t black (irregardless of how hard their one black parent wants them to be). The child is biracial, and they aren’t obligated to identify with the black community. In the cases where they do, it is wonderful. However the reality is many (arguably most in today’s times) don’t identify with black people nor do they marry and have children with black people. Thus not only did the black parent dilute the African blood in their family (and the community), the child furthers this trend. If a significant number of black do this (which an increasing number are in the US), then the continued existence of the black community is threatened. That being the case: What is the ultimate measure of one’s good works for a community, they helped to make extinct?

However, we’ve had this conversation before Karmashines, so there is really no need in continuing it. You are not going to change in your opinion (for obvious reasons), and I am not going to change in mine. As Kemetkind pointed out the belief that Diop was married to a white woman, and has spawned non-black descendants is incorrect. Therefore this discussion is no longer appropriate for this thread. Let’s get back to honoring his legacy, and take this particular discussion elsewhere.

That child isn’t black (irregardless of how hard their one black parent wants them to be). The child is biracial, and they aren’t obligated to identify with the black community. In the cases where they do, it is wonderful. However the reality is many (arguably most in today’s times) don’t identify with black people nor do they marry and have children with black people. Thus not only did the black parent dilute the African blood in their family (and the community), the child furthers this trend. If a significant number of black do this (which an increasing number are in the US), then the continued existence of the black community is threatened. That being the case: What is the ultimate measure of one’s good works for a community, they helped to make extinct?

However, we’ve had this conversation before Karmashines, so there is really no need in continuing it. You are not going to change in your opinion (for obvious reasons), and I am not going to change in mine. As Kemetkind pointed out the belief that Diop was married to a white woman, and has spawned non-black descendants is incorrect. Therefore this discussion is no longer appropriate for this thread. Let’s get back to honoring his legacy, and take this particular discussion elsewhere.

This will be my last response on this topic. You gave your opinion, and I will give my response to this, but I won't go through additional runarounds.

If a child considers themselves black when they grow up and the black community considers them black (which most black people do of biracials that consider themselves black), they are black. I think many mainstream black people feel even more so if the child LOOKS black.

Numberswise, I don't have stats of all American black biracials, so I can't say what most do or don't do. I can say from personal experience in today's time black biracials raised in the black community tend to go more with their black side. Those raised in whites or other ethnic environments tend to go for the 'other side' which is sometiems reflective in their dating choices. I have noticed this even with 'full-blooded' black people including Continental Africans in the 'multicultural' areas around my way.

As far as Diop, if the woman beside him was his wife she definitely looks like she could be white. But if she isn't, it still didn't keep his kids from marrying non-blacks (which has been stated that they did).

Didn't read all the posts in this thread, but anybody know how Chiek Anta Diop 'mysteriously' died?!?!?!?!?

Suddenly being who we are has become very similar to being Jewish.

Today a bi-racial child feels black, tommorrow he may feel a little more multi-cultural than usual. I guess it all depends on the mood. It should be more absolute when it comes to who is who when you are talking about distinguishing one people from another.

Provoking thread. If I want my children to be considered Black, I will marry Black or bi-racial(majority Black). You cannot call a grapefruit anything other than what it is, unless it begs to differ!!LOL

Today a bi-racial child feels black, tommorrow he may feel a little more multi-cultural than usual. I guess it all depends on the mood. It should be more absolute when it comes to who is who when you are talking about distinguishing one people from another.

That's called "ridding the fence" my young brother!

If I want my children to be considered Black, I will marry Black or bi-racial(majority Black). You cannot call a grapefruit anything other than what it is, unless it begs to differ!!LOL

There you have it spicybrown! If a black person wants their children to be considered black, then they need to have children with a black person....that removes all confusion & all doubt!!

His research using melanin as the basis to prove the black-African orientataion of the Egyptian Pharoahs was ingenious...!

Fine1952

Didn't read all the posts in this thread, but anybody know how Chiek Anta Diop 'mysteriously' died?!?!?!?!?




Should I answer my own question, or are there any wizzes here that can fill me in? LOL

Should I answer my own question, or are there any wizzes here that can fill me in? LOL

All I know is that he died "in his sleep" at 62. Maybe someone else can fill you in on the exact cause.

All I know is that he died "in his sleep" at 62. Maybe someone else can fill you in on the exact cause.

Thank You Panafrica. I was re-reading 'Visions For Black Men", by Na'im Akbar, and a particular passage stated :"To stand up as a Black man is a declaration of war"..Basically, if you defy the system, you may die as mysteriously as Cheik Anta Diop..and numerous other Black scientists.

Thank You Panafrica. I was re-reading 'Visions For Black Men", by Na'im Akbar, and a particular passage stated :"To stand up as a Black man is a declaration of war"..Basically, if you defy the system, you may die as mysteriously as Cheik Anta Diop..and numerous other Black scientists.

That is a deep statement that will shake alot of people. My question is: Did the media first mention he died 'mysteriously,' or did people who were close to him first mention that he died 'mysteriously?'

CD

That is a deep statement that will shake alot of people. My question is: Did the media first mention he died 'mysteriously,' or did people who were close to him first mention that he died 'mysteriously?'

CD

Not too much surprises me anymore, in fact I am a self-proclaimed scientist.LOL. This is a subject I would love to investigate!!!! I love an unsolved mystery. I'm pretty sure the media made his death a closed chapter.

While you're investigating that, investigate the strange deaths of Rodney Wiliams (How Europe Underdeveloped Africa), Amos Wilson (Blueprints for Black Empowerment) and Farrakhans old partner, (can't think of his name). You know, the old with the bald head who went radical. There is a parralel in their deaths.

You're probably talking about brother Khalid Muhammed.

YES...CHECK OUT THE PARRELELL OF THEIR DEATHS

Since we are talking about strange deaths…over the years many people have been suspicious of the deaths of also Ron Brown, Harold Washington and Bob Marley.

In an interview on C-Spann (right before his death), Brother Kwame Ture suggested that the CIA had given him terminal cancer. Also I once saw a documentary talking about Biological warfare wereas lethal biological agents were mentioned that left no trace after death.

I’m sure this could be a long list if we only knew the truth. But who can prove any of this…for now it’s all in a file marked “conspiracy theories”.

Yes, I personally interveiwed Kwame Ture before he died whereby he spoke on the methods that not only the C.I.A. used, but the Jewish, the South Africaneers and all others seeking to preserve, undermine and destroy any levels of consciousness that may be a threat to their position of power in the global structure.

If something is said loud enough and long enough, it begins to reverberate and can possibly produce unwanted changes by those in power. Like they say..."This is America, and you have the right to say whatever you please".What they didn't say was; "Beware of the consequences of your words."

Yes, I personally interveiwed Kwame Ture before he died whereby he spoke on the methods that not only the C.I.A. used, but the Jewish, the South Africaneers and all others seeking to preserve, undermine and destroy any levels of consciousness that may be a threat to their position of power in the global structure.

If something is said loud enough and long enough, it begins to reverberate and can possibly produce unwanted changes by those in power. Like they say..."This is America, and you have the right to say whatever you please".What they didn't say was; "Beware of the consequences of your words."

That applies to everything, because the first thing those people in power do when you are on your way up, is find a 'politically sound' way to bring you down. The only difference between those in power, and those not in power, is you cannot see behind the jealous mask of those in power; they work too hard to cover it up. On the other hand, you can see the envy in a normal everyday human being.

So wait, I'm still looking for crystal clear clarification, as to what Diop's wife was.

I have yet to see it here. What was her name? Where was she from?

:?:

So wait, I'm still looking for crystal clear clarification, as to what Diop's wife was.

I have yet to see it here. What was her name? Where was she from?

:?:

His wife’s name was Louise Marie Diop. I know nothing about her background or origin. Every account I’ve heard of described her as a white woman. The only picture I’ve seen of her is on the link Kemetkind provided, which clearly isn’t good quality. Unfortunately this is all we have to go on at this point.

His wife’s name was Louise Marie Diop. I know nothing about her background or origin. Every account I’ve heard of described her as a white woman. The only picture I’ve seen of her is on the link Kemetkind provided, which clearly isn’t good quality. Unfortunately this is all we have to go on at this point.

She almost has sort of a Rosa Parks-type look in that photo.

CD