I have a question family. Every once in a while, we have non-black members (usually white) come in the forums, and attempt to convince us that blacks need to be more accepting of white people. However none of these liberal/intergrationist ever seem to challenge their own race on this same topic. Indeed racist websites like whitestormfront...the numerous KKK, Skin head, and Neo-Nazis sites on the web are rarely (if ever) challenged for their racist & genocidal views. Is this because white supremacy is not a threat to the white liberal? What makes black nationalism a threat to the intergrationist movement, when white supremacy seemingly is not? Let's discuss!

I believe that most white people, liberals included, want to say this and say that because it sounds good. I'm sure there are white people that believe in ending white supremacy, but they'll preach it when there is no threat near them. Once they have to really sacrifice some of their benefits and securities that they get from being white, they tend to take a more passive role in the fight.

I think most people view stormfront and the KKK as fring groups. Full of hate for everyone including mixed race whites and Jews.

Alot of whites in America are mixed with Native Indian the stormfront people don't want anything to do with them either.

These groups talk about wanting people seperated, with people living only by other people within their racial group. This isn't going to happen on a large scale since even now most of the US population lives in urban areas which are mixed.

White folks are and will be white folk.

All Whites and Many Blacks believe in White Supremacy. Most of the groups that you mentioned are funded by White Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, Greens,....

Why do White Liberals not come out against Black Racist Republicans and Libertarians? White Republicans fund a hate campaign against Black Americans... their soldiers of choice; Black Republicans and Libertarians...

Ummn, questions.

Simple Answers: We Don't Matter.

White folks don't want to challenge other whites when it comes to racism toward black people, because they're comfortable with the status quo.

They secretly approve of much of the posturing done on the part of these hate groups and websites. If white folks were concerned about ending racism and racist institutions, it would have been resolved a long time ago.

White folks are and will be white folk.

All Whites and Many Blacks believe in White Supremacy. Most of the groups that you mentioned are funded by White Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, Greens,....

Why do White Liberals not come out against Black Racist Republicans and Libertarians? White Republicans fund a hate campaign against Black Americans... their soldiers of choice; Black Republicans and Libertarians...

Ummn, questions.

Simple Answers: We Don't Matter.
There it is right there sistah

Why would white liberals give up there white pass? It pays to have the upper hand in poker game. You need to look after yourself. Welcome to amerikkka people! Protect yourself!

That's my "BIG" opinion.

I have a question family. Every once in a while, we have non-black members (usually white) come in the forums, and attempt to convince us that blacks need to be more accepting of white people. However none of these liberal/intergrationist ever seem to challenge their own race on this same topic. Indeed racist websites like whitestormfront...the numerous KKK, Skin head, and Neo-Nazis sites on the web are rarely (if ever) challenged for their racist & genocidal views. Is this because white supremacy is not a threat to the white liberal? What makes black nationalism a threat to the intergrationist movement, when white supremacy seemingly is not? Let's discuss!

It goes like this: when whites preach racism they have a right because of 'free speech.' When blacks voice about injustices white culture continuously commits against them, they're being racist.

from what i've been able to observe most white liberals believe in white supremacy.
forget about stormfront, i haven't noticed to many liberals sharing power and resources lately.

the good cop and the bad cop are both, still, pigs.

White Liberals don't spoke out against racists and racism because first they have nothing to loose. Secondly they need racism to exist. So no way are they going to give up their meal ticket. Remember anytime a strange White man tries to befriend a black person they usually want something for their friendship.


Peace

Radical Faith

white "liberals" are in support of racism because it benefits them period.

how ever alabama Attorney Morris Dees , whos office i rode past when i was doing a photo shoot in alabama. the photographer (white dude) MADE IT A POINT TO TELL ME HOW HIS OFFICE WAS GUARDED BY ARMED GUARDS BECAUSE THE KLAN HAD A HIT OUT ON HIM. Morris Dees won a 12.5 million dollar settlement against metzger-a neo nazi skinnhead leader, for his involment in the death of a portland oregon aa. If his motives were legtit (usally about that dollar with lawyers) then this is a modern example of a white liberal standing up against racism.

although director michael moore uses and expoloits aa's 4 shock value imo, he does point out racism in the u.s. in his films.

but 4 the most part white liberals will always support white supremecy because it benefits them.

White folks don't want to challenge other whites when it comes to racims toward black people, because they're comfortable with the status quo.

They secretly approve of much of the posturing done on the part of these hate groups and websites. If white folks were concerned about ending racism and racist institutions, it would have been resolved a long time ago.Amen-Hotep to that !!!

white "liberals" are in support of racism because it benefits them period.

how ever alabama Attorney Morris Dees , whos office i rode past when i was doing a photo shoot in alabama. the photographer (white dude) MADE IT A POINT TO TELL ME HOW HIS OFFICE WAS GUARDED BY ARMED GUARDS BECAUSE THE KLAN HAD A HIT OUT ON HIM. Morris Dees won a 12.5 million dollar settlement against metzger-a neo nazi skinnhead leader, for his involment in the death of a portland oregon aa. If his motives were legtit (usally about that dollar with lawyers) then this is a modern example of a white liberal standing up against racism.

although director michael moore uses and expoloits aa's 4 shock value imo, he does point out racism in the u.s. in his films.

but 4 the most part white liberals will always support white supremecy because it benefits them.

The "white liberals" at the Southern Poverty Law Center are indeed examples of extroidinary exception and I certainly take my cap off to them ! Not only do they fight hate groups in the court system by taking away their compounds in tax evasion cases and the like, but they also produce films and study guides that teach ethnic/racial tolerance.

www.teachingtolerance.org

www.splcenter.com

There are white people and there are white people. The white Suprimist includes all of them, because the other don't really challeng the distructive views and ways of the other. In other words the so-called Liberals don't seem to care what the Extremist are doing to Africans in America.
The difference between the two is: One group is so-called "Jews" and the other is "Gentiles". The real white suprimist are the so called "Jews" who are very Sly and Suttle in their approch to dealing with Africans in America "And who also control the largest portion of the Wealth World Wide. They are so suttle that we don't even see them most of the time, because they appear as friends, with funding to NAACP, Urban Leage and other so-called black organizations. Also with their seemingly support they have compleat "Control" of what ever organization they are supporting with their Money and also "Pull" the strings of who ever "They-Jews" have put in Charge as so-called Black Leaders. <Read The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews>

These so-called Jews were also among the largest group of "Slave-Owners" and is still benifiting from the wealth they received from "Sucking-The-Blood" of the "African in America" Slaves and Children of the Slaves.
There are basicly two groups of so called White People, the Gentiles and the so-called Jews who for the most part all ways seperate from the rest of socity into their own communities. The others "Gentiles" are the working class white folk for the most part, poor like black folk, they more than likely are your so-called white neighbors but it is hardly likely that you will have a so-called Jew as a neighbor. Case and point, "None of these people are your Friends, in fact, "They are the Open Enemy". Brothers and Sisters. Trust them and you will be decived. "People Know Thy Self"

Sincerely

White folks are and will be white folk.

All Whites and Many Blacks believe in White Supremacy. Most of the groups that you mentioned are funded by White Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, Greens,....

Why do White Liberals not come out against Black Racist Republicans and Libertarians? White Republicans fund a hate campaign against Black Americans... their soldiers of choice; Black Republicans and Libertarians...

Ummn, questions.

Simple Answers: We Don't Matter.


You’re pretty much on point, Sister happy69

It’s like good cop…bad cop

Two sides of the same coin…

…remember Kerry and Bush were both members of Yale's secret society Skull and Bones…

And for those Whites that are righteously beyond this comparison…I’ll just repeat what an old sister said, who’s family and life was permanently and severely devastated many years ago, by the white riot in Rosewood, Florida 1923, …when asked if she believed there were any good white folks, she thought for awhile and answered “yes…there’s some white folks, too good to be white”.



Ashe!

Even back in the day the white abolutionists had their own racist agenda. Fredrick Douglas had to start his own media campaign against slavery because he complained about their racism.

They can't help it, the underserving privilege class is not going to give up their power. Bottomline. They don't like us. they don't want us around, and we need to move on with doing for our-selves.

I know I shouldn't defend white liberals....


But when I look at how so many of us..especially the youth...behave and think in our community I understand how many of them feel.

More now than any time in our history, you have the black community being attacked by racist talk shows, degenerate music, and failing schools.....

Nearly half of our men being carted away to prison...

Documented evidence of AIDS and cocain has been brought into our communities to destroy us; it's no longer a conspiracy......

And not a riot, revolt but instead most of us carry on with business as usual laughing, telling jokes, and getting drunk...I mean "crunk".


What fool in his right mind would waste time and put his safety on the line by speaking out and supporting people who refuse to do as much even for themselves?

That's why so many white liberals have taken thier focus off of civil rights, and put it on the environment, gay rights, and other crap.

They've become dissillsioned.

? The same fools who count on Us to put them in political office, perhaps the same fools who co-opt everything that We create and sell it to the world, the same fools who take the Trillion dollars We shovel into this country each and every year and ask for nothing in return; or rather the fools who take every one of the those Civil Rights Victories and Use them for their Own Benefits????

There are documented ways white liberalism has influenced our community:

-The encouragement of out of wedlock childbirths.

-The encouragement of female led households in the black community.

-The encouragement of interracial dating & marriage.

-The encouragement of intergrating into white society instead of improving black communities.

-The inclusion of all other races & sexual orientations into the Civil Rights Movement.

-The original welfare system with its underlining message of dependance on white society to survive, and its encouragment of no male in the house.

How have these influences benefitted our community?

There are documented ways white liberalism has influenced our community:

-The encouragement of out of wedlock childbirths.

-The encouragement of female led households in the black community.

-The encouragement of interracial dating & marriage.

-The encouragement of intergrating into white society instead of improving black communities.

-The inclusion of all other races & sexual orientations into the Civil Rights Movement.

-The original welfare system with its underlining message of dependance on white society to survive, and its encouragment of no male in the house.

How have these influences benefitted our community?


White culture constantly denounces the black community for having so many out of wedlock births along with being dependant on welfare, so I don't see how white liberalism has influenced points 1, 2, and 6.

As far as other races being included in the Civil Rights Movement, I don't have a problem with it because other groups are discriminated against and need to stand up for their rights too. Martin Luther King never made civil rights an exclusively black thing, which is why there were other groups who participated. Yuri Kochiyama is one such example of a noteworthy civil-rights leader who wasn't black but was a staunch advocate for the rights of her people and blacks. Should she be dismissed for her interests in the civil rights movement because she wasn't black?

I do agree with your point that sexual orientation should not be linked to civil rights, though I don't see how treating gays with respect is hurting the black community. In fact, I don't really think that blacks have 'embraced' this ideal of white liberalism at all.

White culture constantly denounces the black community for having so many out of wedlock births along with being dependant on welfare, so I don't see how white liberalism has influenced points 1, 2, and 6.

Two words for you Karmashines: Feminist Movement! Also white "conservatives" denounce the black community for these things...white liberals apologize for it! There are clearly different "themes" expressed by white liberals & white conservatives. I'm not asking the Destee.com community to look at white society & culture in general. I am asking you to look at the white liberal in particular. How his/her programs & philosophies have affected the black community....how they ultimately benefit white supremacy in ways that aren't obvious: The six social pattern I listed have all helped to destabilize the black community. The adoption of white liberal philosophies are a primary factor (although not the only factor) in their occurance. Destabilizing our community is a goal of white supremacy. We seem to think there is only one way to achieve this goal, when in truth there are many. We seem to believe all our enemies are going to be hostile, when in truth many will come under the guise of friendship (see my African American Missionary thread). This thread requires us to look at white liberal legislation, political discussion, and social patterns over the past 50-60 years. We have to dig beneath the surface on this one!

There are documented ways white liberalism has influenced our community:

-The encouragement of out of wedlock childbirths.

-The encouragement of female led households in the black community.

-The encouragement of interracial dating & marriage.

-The encouragement of intergrating into white society instead of improving black communities.

-The inclusion of all other races & sexual orientations into the Civil Rights Movement.

-The original welfare system with its underlining message of dependance on white society to survive, and its encouragment of no male in the house.

How have these influences benefitted our community?

Great points Pan

The incouragement of out of wedlock births have to be addressed by individuals. Issues One, two, and six all worked in orchestration to bring each one of these issues and cement them in our community. The pork barrel was full at first, and we dipped like the knew we wold, now the barrel is taken away and what is left is humiliation and shame, a laughing point for those liberals who meant to trip us, I mean those disquised as liberials.. it is easier to trip another if he thinks you are his ( brother ) supporter.

Abortion Rights will remain a block and issue in every election until we speak up and let it be known that a woman has a right and the only one that has that right to decide when and whether to have a baby.

How much do you think black leaders added to this believing these are the things we needed?

Items three and four, while the liberals wanted and desired to push us towards breaking those lines, we wanted it more not knowing that it was an abandonment of what was really needed. Look at Inner City's most have regrown and become what is now desired. We couldn't see while we had the heart of most U.S. Citys that it was the time to stay and claim it. ( We were duped into looking at the fresh lawns and open spaces, getting our chance to be among the affluent races ) and look at what it got us. The suburbs we chased after have become the out of town, outskirts and gun towns. Invite a client to the city, and all the activity is inner, downtown now.

Item five. Of course they are part of what was started as civil rights and justice movement. We left it idle and didn't squeeze the juice out that lemon. We are ( and are viewed as ) starters but not finishers. Innovators but not capitalizers. good at making a point, but not willing to continue the long effort hat it may take, becuase it does cut into the ( illusional distractions of purpose ) exciting things happening. We have no dedicated activist, attorney groups and decision makers because it is a loner post.

If the one’s in charge ( President, Members of Congress, running top 500 corporations ) are racist and white. The liberals would have to cut their own throat in the fight. Because without them ( the racist ) there is no need for the other. So we are pawns again in this battle my brother. I have thought take it awy become independant in deed. Denounce this voting block attitude and do not let it be known what you ( will do and need ) need. Play on te palyers act thru this thing get some greed. Just take it as needed and claim it like a man. Act like a real African man can! These are great questions my brother.

Whites are going to do what benefits them as a whole. Until we as a people take the chains off our brains and start doing what is beneficial to the entire Diaspora we are going to be subjected to this kind of treatment and mind set.

I call it the confederate flag mentality. This is were they hide behind something and push their agendas all the time smiling in the person they seek to hold down face. Wake up people! :zzz: :read: :weights:

Whites are going to do what benefits them as a whole. Until we as a people take the chains off our brains and start doing what is beneficial to the entire Diaspora we are going to be subjected to this kind of treatment and mind set.

I call it the confederate flag mentality. This is were they hide behind something and push their agendas all the time smiling in the person they seek to hold down face. Wake up people! :zzz: :read: :weights:

Great point!

You know, I remember back in the day. During the MLK, kissing up to white folks era, we had people like Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, and so many other unsung heroes who told these white folk loving trusting fools that white folks don't mean us not good.

But Knoooooow, did we listen? It is sickening to think that any of us would even have an inkling that these people have anything but detest for us. We need to come to terms with the fact that we must seperate from these people. In that entails doing for ourselves.

Pan, your points are well taken and so true. We are following these people into hell. Instead of getting back to our way, our spirituality, our culture, our Blackness, our ancestors, our educatioin, our social values, we have fell in the trap of white supremacy full force and we wonder why why we are suffering. Wake up Black people!

The blight that is going on in our communities is because of ignorance, our self-hate, our stubborness, faith in a white jesus and ministers who hate themselves and us. We are like sheep going to the slaughter without protest and worse yet letting our children go to the slaughter so that our future survival is doomed.

Here are some pointers to get us on the right track:

1. TURN OFF THE TELEVISION - the fear factor is killing us
2. JOIN A PAN-AFRICAN ORGANIZATION
3. EDUCATE YOUR OWN CHILDREN OR MAKE SURE THEY STOP LYING TO YOUR CHILDREN IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, ORGANIZE PARENTS AROUND THIS.
4. READ ABOUT YOUR HISTORY AND READ IT TO YOUR CHILDREN
5. DON'T ALLOW WHITE FOLKS IN YOUR LIFE
6. DEVELOP BLACK BUSINESS AND SUPPORT BLACK BUSINESS
7. READ AND LIVE BY THE 42 CONFESSIONS OF MA'AT VS THE 10 COMMANDMANTS - THE 42 CONFESSIONS PUTS THE RESPONSIBLITY ON YOU TO DO RIGHT
8. MAKE YOUR MINISTERS ACCOUNTABLE TO BLACK PEOPLE AND THEIR REAL ISSUES - THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE WEDNESDAY NIGHT BIBLE STUDIES
9. EAT ORGANIC AND FRESH FOODS, STOP DRINKING AND DRUGGING
10. LEARN TO LOVE AND BE PATIENT WITH YOUR PEOPLE AND YOURSELF
11. EXERCISE, MEDITATE AND PRAY
12. READ ABOUT ANCIENT AFRICAN SPIRITUAL SYSTEMS and INCORPORATE THEM IN YOUR LIFE
13. SET UP AN ALTER AND WORSHIP YOUR ANCESTORS AND TELL THEM THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LET THEM DOWN ANYMORE!
14. LEARN AN AFRICAN LANGUAGE AND VISIT YOUR MOTHERLAND AS SOON AS YOU CAN
15. DON'T BE AFRAID OF NOTHING!


Let me finish by saying, NO WHITE MAN OR WOMAN IS GOING TO HELP US, WE HAVE TO HELP OURSELVES. STOP THE MADNESS!!!!

Excellent points sister Pdiane & Brother Hodee. Indeed there have been many excellent responses throughout this thread. I purposefully asked the question, then fell back in order to see where the family's head was at with this issue. It pleases me to see that the majority do see white liberalism as another aspect of white supremacy. Two sides to the same coin as brother SunShip stated. Indeed with the white liberal as our friend, we do not need enemies!

Important thread borhter Panafrica!

Whites need to leave black people alone, and black folk should care one bit about what whites think about black people and black issues because it's obvious they will never understand us! So many white "liberals" say we the Black Nationalists have he same mindset as white racists from the stormfront website that show who they really are! We should not welcome them in our pro-black websites and communities. whites know nothing about black experience and struggle. And we should not be nice with them why bother, they always have the same views on things. So they should step!

Important thread borhter Panafrica!

Whites need to leave black people alone, and black folk should care one bit about what whites think about black people and black issues because it's obvious they will never understand us! So many white "liberals" say we the Black Nationalists have he same mindset as white racists from the stormfront website that show who they really are! We should not welcome them in our pro-black websites and communities. whites know nothing about black experience and struggle. And we should not be nice with them why bother, they always have the same views on things. So they should step!


Sistah Kwango.

This may be off the topic, but I want to extend my hand to you in all sincerity. My spirit has moved me to ask you to bury whatever differences you have with me, and for me to do the same for you. Life is very short, and I think we both know that both of us love our people dearly.

We may not agree on what the solutions are for the liberation of black people, but I think it is safe to say we both want the same thing fundamentally.

So can we be friends? :luvv: :grouphug:

:love:

:love:

:love:

:love:

:heart:

Destee

:love:

:love:

:love:

:love:

:heart:

Destee


Thanks Destee! I gave it a shot right?

Thanks Destee! I gave it a shot right?

You most certainly did Brother Sekhemu ... i'm sure Sister Kwango_Likemba will receive your love in the Spirit it was given ... and even if she doesn't, you've grown ten feet as far as i'm concerned! i'm so PROUD of you !!!!! :love:

Thank you Brother Sekhemu !!!!

:heart:

Destee

You most certainly did Brother Sekhemu ... i'm sure Sister Kwango_Likemba will receive your love in the Spirit it was given ... and even if she doesn't, you've grown ten feet as far as i'm concerned! i'm so PROUD of you !!!!! :love:

Thank you Brother Sekhemu !!!!

:heart:

Destee


Awww shucks, you're making me blush :blowkiss: thank you sistah!

Sistah Kwango.

This may be off the topic, but I want to extend my hand to you in all sincerity. My spirit has moved me to ask you to bury whatever differences you have with me, and for me to do the same for you. Life is very short, and I think we both know that both of us love our people dearly.

We may not agree on what the solutions are for the liberation of black people, but I think it is safe to say we both want the same thing fundamentally.

So can we be friends? :luvv: :grouphug:


Brother Sekhemu, ASHE, and Peace Go With You, Brother! You are being a great example to us all by attempting to mend fences with the sister... That's what COMMUNITY is all about!!!

Destee, Lil' Mama, you so fulla maternal love aint'cha!(smile!) Lil Mama takin' care a her community! Gone Girl!

Peace!
Isaiah

Brother Sekhemu, ASHE, and Peace Go With You, Brother! You are being a great example to us all by attempting to mend fences with the sister... That's what COMMUNITY is all about!!!

Destee, Lil' Mama, you so fulla maternal love aint'cha!(smile!) Lil Mama takin' care a her community! Gone Girl!

Peace!
Isaiah

Agreed 100%

Sistah Kwango.

This may be off the topic, but I want to extend my hand to you in all sincerity. My spirit has moved me to ask you to bury whatever differences you have with me, and for me to do the same for you. Life is very short, and I think we both know that both of us love our people dearly.

We may not agree on what the solutions are for the liberation of black people, but I think it is safe to say we both want the same thing fundamentally.

So can we be friends? :luvv: :grouphug:
Sekhemu what’s happening to you? I’m surprised you choose to be my friend...

Hmmm... I guess I was a bit harsh myself. I don’t want to make enemies or to be angry in this forum because I respect the membership here and the moderators. I accept your apologies and I respect you. We are BLACK NATIONALISTS we have to remain united!

Peace to you.

Sekhemu what’s happening to you? I’m surprised you choose to be my friend...

Hmmm... I guess I was a bit harsh myself. I don’t want to make enemies or to be angry in this forum because I respect the membership here and the moderators. I accept your apologies and I respect you. We are BLACK NATIONALISTS we have to remain united! Peace to you.

I'm very pleased! Two members I respect greatly have decided to settle their differences. This is very important, because we are not always going to agree with each other. At times there might be fundamental differences in our philosophies and thoughts. However when two people have the same goals, it is important that they recognize it, and not view each other as enemies. Again I am please to see this! Sekhemu much respect to you for initiating this truce. Sister Kwango_Likemba much respect to you for accepting. Now let's get back to hating on the white liberal!!

Sekhemu what’s happening to you? I’m surprised you choose to be my friend...

Hmmm... I guess I was a bit harsh myself. I don’t want to make enemies or to be angry in this forum because I respect the membership here and the moderators. I accept your apologies and I respect you. We are BLACK NATIONALISTS we have to remain united!

Peace to you.

Thank you sistah, that was very thoughtful of you.

Peace and satisfaction to you as well :luvv:

Now let's get back to hating on the white liberal!!

uhhhh ... Brother Pan ... No Hate Allowed ... here ... :nono:

Whew Lawd! What am i going to do with you !!!! :kiss:

:heart:

Destee

uhhhh ... Brother Pan ... No Hate Allowed ... here ... :nono:

Whew Lawd! What am i going to do with you !!!!

I apologize Destee. What I meant to say was: Let's get back to strongly criticizing the white liberal!

I apologize Destee. What I meant to say was: Let's get back to strongly criticizing the white liberal!

i love you Brother Pan ... :love:

:heart:

Destee

I have a question family. Every once in a while, we have non-black members (usually white) come in the forums, and attempt to convince us that blacks need to be more accepting of white people. However none of these liberal/intergrationist ever seem to challenge their own race on this same topic. Indeed racist websites like whitestormfront...the numerous KKK, Skin head, and Neo-Nazis sites on the web are rarely (if ever) challenged for their racist & genocidal views. Is this because white supremacy is not a threat to the white liberal? What makes black nationalism a threat to the intergrationist movement, when white supremacy seemingly is not? Let's discuss!


Pan, this was a great thread, and the Destee Family came through with a lot great analysis and great answers, most of which I agreed with... Do you remember what happened in the 1960's, when Malcolm and Kwame Ture told Whites they needed to work among their own??? What was the response???

Here in Brooklyn, brothers Jitu Weusi and Abubadika (Sonny)Carson fought years to de-centralize the New York City School system, and implement community control of the schools... They were met with massive resistance by the same Jewish folk who'd marched down south in the Civil Rights Movement...

They were "our friends" until we marched on their "turf"... The United Federation of Teachers(UFT)here in the city, control fought like hell against relinquishing their control over how African and Latino children should be taught(with the lowest possible standards) ...

As many have said on this thread, to fight against White Supremacy, is in many White folks judgement, not in their best interests...

Peace!
Isaiah

Hotep
We as Black People must know that so-called "Whites" are Brothers and Sisters to each other, They are not Brothers and Sisters to so-called Afrikans or "Blacks". If "We" so-called Afrikans knew the "Real" truth behind the "World" situation concerning us, to be shocked, horrified, tramatized would be the under statement of the ages. Too meny of us still foolishly think there is hope in the relationship between Them (Whites) and Us (Blacks). The truth is, there is no hope what ever for them to live in peace with Us on this planet Earth or any ware else in the universe. "In our present condition" The only hope is for "Us" to come together in "Unity" or else. We always make excuses why we can't or won't do what we are made by the "Creator" to do and that is to be a "Unified-People". We (Africans in America) in particuler have tried every thing "Except-Unity". So how can any of us be soo sure that Unity is not going to work for us as it does for every one else on this planet????
The United,United,United-States of (White-Folks) America is and always planed for (Black-Folks) your distruction!!!! Why do we find this so hard to know and understand is almost a Mystery and pathetic to say the least. All we have to do is "Study-Deep-Our-History" and take something serious for a change. The world sees only, thanks to the U.S. Media,..Black Folks in America in the most degrading way and some of us call this Foolishness "Keepin-it-Real". How can any thing we do be real when we live in a total "Fantisy-World" and don't know that we are in the hands of "Our-Open-Enemy"?? The world watch Africans-in-America using the most ignorent language; *****,*****,Ho's,Dogg ect. The American so-called News is planing our distruction and we are playing right into their plan to show the world that these (Blacks) are nothing but Clowns and Bafoons and good for nothing except Sport, Play, Bling, Dope, Crime, Sex, Cars and other wise "Total-Consumers" that won't and don't produce nothing for them self.
If this make you Mad, there is hope for you, if it doesn't then the white man has a plan for you.
Slavery, Tuskeegy Experiment, Wepons sold to children, Mis-Education, Krack-Cocane, Joblesness, Poverty, HIV-AID's, Last Hired First Fired, Vote don't Count ect. What more "Proof " do we need to make us come together in "Unity"????.........Sure,...and thank (G-d) the Creator there are exceptions, but none of us can rise above the condition of our people. Study, Read, Learn, Love not Hate self, Educate your self. "Know Thy Self ".
Ase`

I'd like some of our new members to think about this question.

Do you remember what happened in the 1960's, when Malcolm and Kwame Ture told Whites they needed to work among their own??? What was the response???

I got my bachelor's degree from a white university. In one of my US history classes, the professors spoke about Kwame Ture's (then Stokely Carmichael) famous "black power" speech. In his own words, "it shocked and scared white supporters of the civil rights movement"! To him that was when the civil rights movement lost focus, which is a pretty accurate reflection of the white liberal. Looking back at this I have to chuckle! As long as we only wanted to eat at Woolworth's lunch counter, things were cool. However "black power". "black empowerment", and "Black Self-determination" is not something the white liberal (or white society) will ever support. Those of us who believe differently are fooling ourselves.

True that, Pan!

I'm all with Panafrica's call for unity. My arguments for Black unity fall on the deaf ears of my family. Meanwhile, http://*************** has a listed membership of 1150 (many of those members hail from Canada). More than that the white members think white supremacy is a good and normal thing. They haven't a hint of guilt for classical European savagery. In fact, it's encouraged on thier site. Check out some of these quotes under "Eliminating the White Race":


"I think multiculturalism (especially in Canada) is nothing but an ideal that forces the white race to demote themselves. ... because we are now "sorry" for what naturally happened."

"... you should have some natural racial awareness to know where you stand and whats right and wrong. ..."

".... The key is to gain control eventually and never let it go. Plain and simple. Getting pro whites into positions of power is the best answer"



destee.com is the only community I've found talking about these real issues. Thanks for the love so far. And keep up the solidarity!!

-- tim

How is it that white supremacists can get a hold of the "http://www.martinlutherking.org/" web domain!! Check out this thread:
http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?t=101679

-- tim

man this was a good point.
I think those white liberals want the blackman to feel confortable with white rule. They want us to feel its okay to feel dependent upon them

I'm all with Panafrica's call for unity. My arguments for Black unity fall on the deaf ears of my family. Meanwhile, http://*************** has a listed membership of 1150 (many of those members hail from Canada). More than that the white members think white supremacy is a good and normal thing. They haven't a hint of guilt for classical European savagery. In fact, it's encouraged on thier site. Check out some of these quotes under "Eliminating the White Race":


"I think multiculturalism (especially in Canada) is nothing but an ideal that forces the white race to demote themselves. ... because we are now "sorry" for what naturally happened."

"... you should have some natural racial awareness to know where you stand and whats right and wrong. ..."

".... The key is to gain control eventually and never let it go. Plain and simple. Getting pro whites into positions of power is the best answer"



destee.com is the only community I've found talking about these real issues. Thanks for the love so far. And keep up the solidarity!!

-- tim

These same ideas as posted by many on this sight. Racial awareness, voting for pro-black people, and not dating interracially. These things are encouraged on this sight also.

These same ideas as posted by many on this sight. Racial awareness, voting for pro-black people, and not dating interracially. These things are encouraged on this sight also.

These ideas: Racial awareness, voting for pro-black people, and not dating interracially should be encouraged on this sight, are you opposed to any of these Indya? You see no difference between the members on this site, and those on white supremacist sites? If your observations are that shallow, I challenge you to show the threads on here where we endorse killing, raping, and committing genocide to other people. After you fail to do so, point that out to the white folks you so love to defend. Better yet...why do you and your "good" white friends go over to those white supremacist websites and tell them to change their ways? I'm sure none of you want to do that, which is the point of this thread. White liberals and their naive black supporters are only concerned about making the black community passive and compliant...not in changing white racist society! If every black person in this world simultaneously decided to love the white man more than themselves groups like the KKK would still exist, and the white liberal would do nothing to change that!

These ideas: Racial awareness, voting for pro-black people, and not dating interracially should be encouraged on this sight, are you opposed to any of these Indya?

No I'm not opposed to these ideas. I just don't understand why people don't understand why some white people might want pro-whites incharge and be against interracial dating as well.


You see no difference between the members on this site, and those on white supremacist sites? If your observations are that shallow, I challenge you to show the threads on here where we endorse killing, raping, and committing genocide to other people.

That would be hard for me to do since I'm not a premium member. But I do remember a thread about the white South Africans where someone said all the white people should be killed and never let back into the country. This same thing has been expressed about the North African arab countries, the berbers don't belong there and were invaders was stated also. All cops should be killed, I'm never sorry to see a dead cop black or white was stated. I don't think Destee would ever let this sight become a hate sight. Lets not stick our heads in the sand about what is sometimes said around here though.


After you fail to do so, point that out to the white folks you so love to defend. Better yet...why do you and your "good" white friends go over to those white supremacist websites and tell them to change their ways? I'm sure none of you want to do that, which is the point of this thread. White liberals and their naive black supporters are only concerned about making the black community passive and compliant...not in changing white racist society!

Your wrong, people do want to stop racist activity. At KKK rallies there are more people black and white chanting against them than are there to agree with them. Anti-discrimination laws for fair housing and employment, hate crime legislation, they are there to fight racism. No one can change a persons mindset, they can and do make laws against institutional racism.

If every black person in this world simultaneously decided to love the white man more than themselves groups like the KKK would still exist, and the white liberal would do nothing to change that!




I wasn't sure how to cut and paste quotes so the bolded parts are mine, just so there is no confusion.

I wasn't sure how to cut and paste quotes so the bold-ed parts are mine, just so there is no confusion.
i have a problem with your thinking.
you equate the feelings of the oppressed with those of the oppressors.
to you they are they same.

in Africa the whites came in and colonized the place.
i don't know of any black colonial outposts in Europe, do you?

when i say i want all whites killed and driven from Africa i am speaking as a victim of oppression seeking retribution.
that is not hate.
that is righteous indignation.

it is morally correct.

your failure to recognize that moral cry for justice calls into question your own morality.
when you want to kill someone who has never done anything to you, who is in fact a victim of your oppression, that is hate.

your inability to tell the difference between the two indicates that you are morally blind.
therefore you are NOT qualified to pass judgment.

Why would they bite the hand that feeds them?

I laugh at the notion of a white liberal. Then what was the white black divide in the OJ simpson trial all about? what is the white black divide about the nature of Egypt all about? How come 70% of America felt that Jackson was wrongly declared not guilty?
The issue is black people have been bamboozled. While seeking a way out of political oppression we ran into a room of economic oppression. Self-Determination is the new fight of the century for Black People all over the world. Until then, we remain economic Slaves. I say kill affirmative action and let us black people all wake up to the reality of the true state of affairs in which we need true self-determination regardless of some fake goodwill. Besides, it really did not benefit us.

i have a problem with your thinking.
you equate the feelings of the oppressed with those of the oppressors.
to you they are they same.

in Africa the whites came in and colonized the place.
i don't know of any black colonial outposts in Europe, do you?

when i say i want all whites killed and driven from Africa i am speaking as a victim of oppression seeking retribution.
that is not hate.
that is righteous indignation.

it is morally correct.

your failure to recognize that moral cry for justice calls into question your own morality.
when you want to kill someone who has never done anything to you, who is in fact a victim of your oppression, that is hate.

your inability to tell the difference between the two indicates that you are morally blind.
therefore you are NOT qualified to pass judgment.

Well said brother James...I have nothing more to add!

I have a question family. Every once in a while, we have non-black members (usually white) come in the forums, and attempt to convince us that blacks need to be more accepting of white people. However none of these liberal/intergrationist ever seem to challenge their own race on this same topic. Indeed racist websites like whitestormfront...the numerous KKK, Skin head, and Neo-Nazis sites on the web are rarely (if ever) challenged for their racist & genocidal views. Is this because white supremacy is not a threat to the white liberal? What makes black nationalism a threat to the intergrationist movement, when white supremacy seemingly is not? Let's discuss!

White "liberals" are a MAJOR part of the Confusion.

No white person can ever challenge their own existence or system. To do so is to admit truths greater than the masses of them are ready to accept or hear.