MAMA DESTEE...with regret, and all due respect, I have to call you on closing brother Sekhemu's thread (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32340) on Africans helping Africa... I do not believe the thread had outlived it's ability to impact on both sides of the family here...

I do believe that ONE particular continental African took strong offense to some of the relatively innocent and tame statements made in the thread, and we, in our attempt to be hospitable, gave in to her wishes... That is all well, but it is not necessarily for the good of Africa, Africans, or the Diaspora... Africans must find the solution for the redemption of Mother Africa within herself - as a point of ownership of the most valuable and sacred piece of property on the planet... That is what Sekhemu has been saying... That is what I have been saying... This is what so many others understand to be the case... Yes, African Americans do not have our house in order... How many times must we say this before others - including some of our own - understand that that's no stick to be held over our heads???(smile!)

The very fact that some use that to sort of browbeat us into being quiet and submissive is unconscionable and disgraceful... At least we are, on many levels, attempting to rectify our situation without making others responsible for our misery except those who have been most responsible for it - the American White Man... That a Continental African can fix their lips to proclaim myself or a brother Sekhemu as the cause of their problems is astonishing, and I am sorry they feel that way, but it aint moving me off my mountain... I will be doing as I've been doing, and attempting to do the right thing by those who've suffered here with me in the Lion's Lair...

As for Continental brothers and sisters suffering more than me, that is all relative... That presupposes that we African Americans didn't have to run a gauntlet of bat, pipe, chain, and shotgun weilding crackers to get our "ease and comfort..." Again, this kind of ignorance galls the hell outta me... Talking about ignorance of Africa, what the hell about their ignorance of our history - or does our history have less importance than theirs??? That's a goddamned joke! OOOPs, I see I'm starting to get a little bent, as we say in my neck of the forest, so I'm gone bounce 'bout now... Just want you to know how I felt about that thread being closed down... We shouldn't cave into folk who come up in here talking' about how offended they are about our honesty... They should be thankful that we are, as afterall, honesty is virtue possessed by too few in this world... Love you anyway, Destee...

Peace!
Isaiah

I want to thank you brotha Isaiah for speaking on my behalf.

MAMA DESTEE...with regret, and all due respect, I have to call you on closing brother Sekhemu's thread on Africans helping Africa... I do not believe the thread had outlived it's ability to impact on both sides of the family here...

I do believe that ONE particular continental African took strong offense to some of the relatively innocent and tame statements made in the thread, and we, in our attempt to be hospitable, gave in to her wishes... That is all well, but it is not necessarily for the good of Africa, Africans, or the Diaspora... Africans must find the solution for the redemption of Mother Africa within herself - as a point of ownership of the most valuable and sacred piece of property on the planet... That is what Sekhemu has been saying... That is what I have been saying... This is what so many others understand to be the case... Yes, African Americans do not have our house in order... How many times must we say this before others - including some of our own - understand that that's no stick to be held over our heads???(smile!)

The very fact that some use that to sort of browbeat us into being quiet and submissive is unconscionable and disgraceful... At least we are, on many levels, attempting to rectify our situation without making others responsible for our misery except those who have been most responsible for it - the American White Man... That a Continental African can fix their lips to proclaim myself or a brother Sekhemu as the cause of their problems is astonishing, and I am sorry they feel that way, but it aint moving me off my mountain... I will be doing as I've been doing, and attempting to do the right thing by those who've suffered here with me in the Lion's Lair...

As for Continental brothers and sisters suffering more than me, that is all relative... That presupposes that we African Americans didn't have to run a gauntlet of bat, pipe, chain, and shotgun weilding crackers to get our "ease and comfort..." Again, this kind of ignorance galls the hell outta me... Talking about ignorance of Africa, what the hell about their ignorance of our history - or does our history have less importance than theirs??? That's a goddamned joke! OOOPs, I see I'm starting to get a little bent, as we say in my neck of the forest, so I'm gone bounce 'bout now... Just want you to know how I felt about that thread being closed down... We shouldn't cave into folk who come up in here talking' about how offended they are about our honesty... They should be thankful that we are, as afterall, honesty is virtue possessed by too few in this world... Love you anyway, Destee...

Peace!
Isaiah

Brother Isaiah ... i love you too !!! ... and you aint hafta cuss me ... dadgummit !!! ... but that's okay ... MAMA DESTEE still loves you ... :love:

Brother Isaiah ... i love it when you challenge me, please don't ever regret doing so! It gives me a chance to spank you publically !!! ... lol ... :wink: ... No, but really, you provide more evidence for everyone in this Family, to see that they are free to respectfully say whatever they please, to whomever they please, including me. I really do love it. Thank you.

Now you know i'm long-winded and stuff, so i'm sure you anticipated a thorough response from me. I will begin providing it now ...

Brother Isaiah ... the thread had become somewhat hostile, a Sister and Brother virtually jumping on each other, drawing other Sisters and Brothers into the fray ... and at the direct suggestion of Brother Sekhemu (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=305569&postcount=46), the thread starter, the thread was closed. While you may not agree with him, i did. So your complaint is with him, i just work here. :wink:

Now, in regard to the particulars of the hostility found in that thread, i didn't base my decision to agree with Brother Sekhemu on them ... but rather, i considered the entire community and what the continued fighting does to the Spirit of this place. It weakens it.

No matter who was right or wrong in that debate, in my opinion, the greatest good that could be gleaned from that experience ... had already presented itself ... and that was to recognize that we still have much work to do. That no matter the topic, we will disagree, and must challenge ourselves to do that respectfully ... or else that negative experience continually manifests itself.

This community's main purpose and goal ... is for us to live together peacefully and respectfully. We have been blessed to do that, and no one Member, topic, discussion, thread, or post, is worthy of jeopardizing this great blessing that has been bestowed upon us.

Brother Isaiah ... i have learned so much interacting with you all for so very long. I mean, i have really learned a lot! I have learned that Brothers are not the same as Sisters! Oh my gosh! I mean ... i am JUST NOW seeing, experiencing, standing in awe, at the magnificent differences between Brothers and Sisters.

To have so many active Brothers in this community, ready to fight for and defend us at the slightest sign of trouble, excites me in a way that nothing else ever has. I believe that one of our greatest strengths in this community, is the grand representation of Black Men here! I am honored and have the highest regard, respect, and consideration for all you say and do. I believe, that each of you believes, that what you say and do here is right and correct. One cannot ask for any more than that.

With that being the case, and leaning on my newfound respect of our differences, i try my best to stay out of the way ... out of the particulars. But i cannot ignore the end results. I cannot ignore the shaking of our peace. And so when Brother Sekhemu suggested that the thread should be closed, i simply embraced his wisdom.

Thank you Brother Isaiah, for being here, with us. You know i am honored.

I anticipate your response.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

If I may, I'd like to bring a little perspective here, maybe another angle of light. What I think has been slightly overlooked is that, the reason I suggested to have the thread closed was that I failed in getting a member to see that my concern for my home did not mean I hated other black people.

Their reaction to this attempt was to spread a lie, yes a lie... because that's what it was, the lie that I had no concern about Continental Africans. This was a vicious and vile character assissination, that had little to do with me taking the heat in my own thread. Unfortunately, it was allowed to take on a life of it's own with little opposition with the exception of Panafrica and one or two others.

if a member or member(s) cannot agree to disagree. let us be vigilante that no member is slandered in the process. Because nobody wants to be lied on.

If I may, I'd like to bring a little perspective here, maybe another angle of light. What I think has been slightly overlooked is that, the reason I suggested to have the thread closed was that I failed in getting a member to see that my concern for my home did not mean I hated other black people.

Brother Sekhemu ... failing to get one particular person to see your concern, is not necessarily a failure.

We all present our concerns here, in hopes that others will see ... but we have absolutely no control over them doing that. While the person we want to "get it" might never, another Sister or Brother may. As a Member here, presenting my concerns daily, my focus is not on how many see (embrace) what i'm saying ... but rather ... do i believe and embrace what i'm saying, and have i presented it in the best of manners.

For example, you know i have presented my concern for the Family to become Premium Members. You heard me and responded. A few others have as well, but the vast majority of Members have not. I have been publically called a host of ugly things ... thief, liar, cheater, spy ... i was even called a B! ... since asking the Family for help, since presenting this concern ... but these responses, or lack thereof, are not my focus. I am confident in the sincerity, hope, and honesty of the concern i presented.

My "success" comes from believing and embracing what i've presented. I give all that i have to this community, and have done so for many years. I believe in my heart that God and our Ancestors are pleased with this effort. I know my sincere hope for us as a people depends on our being able to come together peacefully and respectfully. I believe that we must be willing to go beyond talking the talk, and we must also walk the walk ... by spending our money to support our own.

Again, my confidence is in what i believe, not what i'm able to convince others to see, and i encourage you to do the same.


Their reaction to this attempt was to spread a lie, yes a lie... because that's what it was, the lie that I had no concern about Continental Africans. This was a vicious and vile character assissination, that had little to do with me taking the heat in my own thread. Unfortunately, it was allowed to take on a life of it's own with little opposition with the exception of Panafrica and one or two others.

if a member or member(s) cannot agree to disagree. let us be vigilante that no member is slandered in the process. Because nobody wants to be lied on.

Brother Sekhemu ... it is a jump, to go from what she actually said, to a vicious and vile character assasination. What she said, was ...


You, especially Sekhemu, you don’t care what is the point of this thread?

and you said to her ...


You're a bitter mixed up woman.

Of course you both said more than that, but my point is ... she only shared her opinion, which she's entitled to ... and she was not alone in saying things that caused the closing of that thread.

Yes, Brother Pan did speak to your concerns, but please know ... it is our policy, when at all possible ... to let one Moderator handle an issue, rather than several different Moderators getting involved. So please don't feel neglected if only one responds.

I'd like to note too, it will serve your position better, to not have violations of your own in the thread ... when pointing out the violations of others.

A person can say, "i don't think you care." I don't see a great violation in those words. I don't understand your outburst at this one person's opinion. She's entitled to it. She is welcome to share it, in the manner that she did, within that thread. She did nothing wrong in my opinion.

I guess i've experienced so many attacks, until i am becoming numb to them. I don't want to be insensitive now, but i just don't see how those few words she shared, combined with all the words the two of you have ever shared, caused all of this.

In regard to your being slandered, if that is what you're saying happened, i'm no attorney. I don't know what truly qualifies as slanderous, but if you need anything that has been posted here, to aid in your case against her ... you are welcome to it.

I love you Brother Sekhemu, and appreciate you being here. I believe all that takes place in this community is necessary for our forward movement. We are all learning how to better interact with each other. We are unique, in that we are the first of our people to be able to simultaneously interact with each other, from all over the world, in real time, discussing the issues close to us.

Let us continue to do it in the best of manners, setting an example for all those coming behind us.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Isaiah ... i love you too !!! ... and you aint hafta cuss me ... dadgummit !!! ... but that's okay ... MAMA DESTEE still loves you ... :love:

Brother Isaiah ... i love it when you challenge me, please don't ever regret doing so! It gives me a chance to spank you publically !!! ... lol ... :wink: ... No, but really, you provide more evidence for everyone in this Family, to see that they are free to respectfully say whatever they please, to whomever they please, including me. I really do love it. Thank you.

Now you know i'm long-winded and stuff, so i'm sure you anticipated a thorough response from me. I will begin providing it now ...

Brother Isaiah ... the thread had become somewhat hostile, a Sister and Brother virtually jumping on each other, drawing other Sisters and Brothers into the fray ... and at the direct suggestion of Brother Sekhemu (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=305569&postcount=46), the thread starter, the thread was closed. While you may not agree with him, i did. So your complaint is with him, i just work here. :wink:

Now, in regard to the particulars of the hostility found in that thread, i didn't base my decision to agree with Brother Sekhemu on them ... but rather, i considered the entire community and what the continued fighting does to the Spirit of this place. It weakens it.

No matter who was right or wrong in that debate, in my opinion, the greatest good that could be gleaned from that experience ... had already presented itself ... and that was to recognize that we still have much work to do. That no matter the topic, we will disagree, and must challenge ourselves to do that respectfully ... or else that negative experience continually manifests itself.

This community's main purpose and goal ... is for us to live together peacefully and respectfully. We have been blessed to do that, and no one Member, topic, discussion, thread, or post, is worthy of jeopardizing this great blessing that has been bestowed upon us.

Brother Isaiah ... i have learned so much interacting with you all for so very long. I mean, i have really learned a lot! I have learned that Brothers are not the same as Sisters! Oh my gosh! I mean ... i am JUST NOW seeing, experiencing, standing in awe, at the magnificent differences between Brothers and Sisters.

To have so many active Brothers in this community, ready to fight for and defend us at the slightest sign of trouble, excites me in a way that nothing else ever has. I believe that one of our greatest strengths in this community, is the grand representation of Black Men here! I am honored and have the highest regard, respect, and consideration for all you say and do. I believe, that each of you believes, that what you say and do here is right and correct. One cannot ask for any more than that.

With that being the case, and leaning on my newfound respect of our differences, i try my best to stay out of the way ... out of the particulars. But i cannot ignore the end results. I cannot ignore the shaking of our peace. And so when Brother Sekhemu suggested that the thread should be closed, i simply embraced his wisdom.

Thank you Brother Isaiah, for being here, with us. You know i am honored.

I anticipate your response.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Hi, Destee, everthangs still everythang witchoo and me, ma!

And I understand your position, as well as, Sekhemu's... The board's continued existence as a bridge between a wide gulf, is far more important than a particular hotly-contested thread... I am just about up ta here with intorlerance of unpopular viewpoints...

Unfortunately for African people all over the world, the message that we must take agency of our own upliftment is a message many find unfathomable... We start looking for excuses to avoid that studpendous responsibility by making everybody else and their mama responsible for our condition... Hey, we can continue to blame our enemies, but one thing about our enemies, they don't much care... We're just a buncha whining negroes to them... We need to remember this when we whine before seeking solutions to our situation... That is all I am asking, and I think, that is all Sekhemu was asking... BTW, Lil Mama, that extends to the funds needed to keep this tower of blackness standing... We must take care of our own... It sho is sweeter that way...

Peace!
Isaiah

Hi, Destee, everthangs still everythang witchoo and me, ma!

And I understand your position, as well as, Sekhemu's... The board's continued existence as a bridge between a wide gulf, is far more important than a particular hotly-contested thread... I am just about up ta here with intorlerance of unpopular viewpoints...

Unfortunately for African people all over the world, the message that we must take agency of our own upliftment is a message many find unfathomable... We start looking for excuses to avoid that studpendous responsibility by making everybody else and their mama responsible for our condition... Hey, we can continue to blame our enemies, but one thing about our enemies, they don't much care... We're just a buncha whining negroes to them... We need to remember this when we whine before seeking solutions to our situation... That is all I am asking, and I think, that is all Sekhemu was asking... BTW, Lil Mama, that extends to the funds needed to keep this tower of blackness standing... We must take care of our own... It sho is sweeter that way...

Peace!
Isaiah


Brother Isaiah ... i knew i'd enjoy your response. Thank you for it. I do have one question though, regarding the intolerance of unpopular viewpoints ... are you saying that the management of our community appears that way to you?

:heart:

Destee

Brother Sekhemu ... failing to get one particular person to see your concern, is not necessarily a failure.

We all present our concerns here, in hopes that others will see ... but we have absolutely no control over them doing that. While the person we want to "get it" might never, another Sister or Brother may. As a Member here, presenting my concerns daily, my focus is not on how many see (embrace) what i'm saying ... but rather ... do i believe and embrace what i'm saying, and have i presented it in the best of manners.

For example, you know i have presented my concern for the Family to become Premium Members. You heard me and responded. A few others have as well, but the vast majority of Members have not. I have been publically called a host of ugly things ... thief, liar, cheater, spy ... i was even called a B! ... since asking the Family for help, since presenting this concern ... but these responses, or lack thereof, are not my focus. I am confident in the sincerity, hope, and honesty of the concern i presented.

My "success" comes from believing and embracing what i've presented. I give all that i have to this community, and have done so for many years. I believe in my heart that God and our Ancestors are pleased with this effort. I know my sincere hope for us as a people depends on our being able to come together peacefully and respectfully. I believe that we must be willing to go beyond talking the talk, and we must also walk the walk ... by spending our money to support our own.

Again, my confidence is in what i believe, not what i'm able to convince others to see, and i encourage you to do the same.




Brother Sekhemu ... it is a jump, to go from what she actually said, to a vicious and vile character assasination. What she said, was ...




and you said to her ...




Of course you both said more than that, but my point is ... she only shared her opinion, which she's entitled to ... and she was not alone in saying things that caused the closing of that thread.

Yes, Brother Pan did speak to your concerns, but please know ... it is our policy, when at all possible ... to let one Moderator handle an issue, rather than several different Moderators getting involved. So please don't feel neglected if only one responds.

I'd like to note too, it will serve your position better, to not have violations of your own in the thread ... when pointing out the violations of others.

A person can say, "i don't think you care." I don't see a great violation in those words. I don't understand your outburst at this one person's opinion. She's entitled to it. She is welcome to share it, in the manner that she did, within that thread. She did nothing wrong in my opinion.

I guess i've experienced so many attacks, until i am becoming numb to them. I don't want to be insensitive now, but i just don't see how those few words she shared, combined with all the words the two of you have ever shared, caused all of this.

In regard to your being slandered, if that is what you're saying happened, i'm no attorney. I don't know what truly qualifies as slanderous, but if you need anything that has been posted here, to aid in your case against her ... you are welcome to it.

I love you Brother Sekhemu, and appreciate you being here. I believe all that takes place in this community is necessary for our forward movement. We are all learning how to better interact with each other. We are unique, in that we are the first of our people to be able to simultaneously interact with each other, from all over the world, in real time, discussing the issues close to us.

Let us continue to do it in the best of manners, setting an example for all those coming behind us.

:heart:

Destee


. If someone tells a lie on you, that is slanderous, I don't need to have to level a law suit to show this. With that being said, I thought it was my duty to accurately portray my concerns for our people here, not because I had a burning desire to convince this woman of their validity but to show the other members that what she said was not true. That is the crucial point here. If someone lies on me, in the context that she did, that is character assissination in my book, maybe not in yours, but it is in mine.

If you notice, I said I have never lied on anyone here about anything, and this is why Panafrica had to step in to correct her about this. I created the thread to ask a question. She never challenged any of the merits of the replies made by any of the other members or myself. she simply alleged that I created the thread to scorn continental Africans. She made it a personal crusade to prove something that never existed.

So if we want to be united here, how can the actions of a member doing something like this, who claims to want solidarity be given credence? It cannot. Yes I said she was a bitter and mixed up woman, after being attacked by her several times, unprovoked, and with no input from the moderators.

I did my level best to avoid her, but I can only turn the other cheek so many times. This woman made it personal the moment she decided not to address the question of the thread. How much clearer can I be on this matter.

Brother Isaiah ... i knew i'd enjoy your response. Thank you for it. I do have one question though, regarding the intolerance of unpopular viewpoints ... are you saying that the management of our community appears that way to you?

:heart:

Destee

Not at all, Destee, I think management here is flexible and most tolerant of unorthodox viewpoints...

It is those who come here with the preconceived idea that African people have to be monolithic in our points of view, and if we are not, that is cause to hammer them... Nope... That is not cause to hammer, but to agree to disagree without being disagreeable...

In the future, I would that folk would show me where my point of view is wrong, rather than resorting to personal/ad hominem attacks, callling folk ignorant without providing any kind of information to substantiate that claim... I would think that I have done that whenever I have taken a strong position against a person which might, otherwise, be considered a personal thang(Indya, for example) If a person is expressing ignorant points of view on the regular, then that is a different story... Sekhemu does not do that to my knowledge, yet this sister took off on a riff on the brother... I must agree with him when he says that it was a personal thing...

In the past, Sekhemu and I have had a disagreement of two, but clearly it did not stop either of us from apologizing, and moving on... We may have difficulty in the future, too, for all we know... However, understanding is reached when both parties are open to it... I am wondering if this sister is open to understanding based on her heated responses in the now defunct thread??? Hmmmm...

Peace!
Isaiah

. If someone tells a lie on you, that is slanderous, I don't need to have to level a law suit to show this. With that being said, I thought it was my duty to accurately portray my concerns for our people here, not because I had a burning desire to convince this woman of their validity but to show the other members that what she said was not true. That is the crucial point here. If someone lies on me, in the context that she did, that is character assissination in my book, maybe not in yours, but it is in mine.

If you notice, I said I have never lied on anyone here about anything, and this is why Panafrica had to step in to correct her about this. I created the thread to ask a question. She never challenged any of the merits of the replies made by any of the other members or myself. she simply alleged that I created the thread to scorn continental Africans. She made it a personal crusade to prove something that never existed.

So if we want to be united here, how can the actions of a member doing something like this, who claims to want solidarity be given credence? It cannot. Yes I said she was a bitter and mixed up woman, after being attacked by her several times, unprovoked, and with no input from the moderators.

I did my level best to avoid her, but I can only turn the other cheek so many times. This woman made it personal the moment she decided not to address the question of the thread. How much clearer can I be on this matter.

Brother Sekhemu ... i am so tempted to play Judge Mathis and ask you to please present the evidence that proves you have been slandered. Where are your witnesses that have said they now think less of you, after reading her words. What injury have you sustained, and how much do you believe it is worth? Did you do all you could, to avoid interaction with her? Is she justified, in her own mind, to believe the things that she shared? Is it at all possible, that you could have given her reason, to think as she does?

I think the term "slander" is a legal one, used to prove or disprove injury caused by the words of another. Injury with financial compensation, if proven to be true. Anything less than that, is not slander, but some other word ... perhaps inconsiderate, disrespectful, short-sighted, close-minded, difficult, obstinate ... but probably not slanderous. You'd not win this case if i'm the judge.

I have been here from the beginning, and this Sister is not the first Member that you have had trouble getting along with. Different folk, different topics, different situations, but the results were the same. Two members fighting.

I'm not sure what makes you experience this, or even if you can see the pattern. I know that you love your Sisters and Brothers. I know that you want the best for us. I know you are willing to go way beyond what most will do. I know that you have much wisdom to share, and that you share it. I know you are ferocious! I know that you are not easy. (ferocious and not easy are very good things!) I know that you are very protective, of that which you love. I know that within you, is what our people need. Yet there is the reality of the fighting that occurs from time to time.

You did not do your level best to avoid her. You have the ability to put her (or any Member) on ignore, but you did not do that. Putting a Member on ignore, removes each of their posts, all of their words, from your view. This reasonable measure to avoid conflict was not taken, and it hurts your case.

A Member is free to respond to any one part of a thread or post, that they'd like. Just yesterday, a thread with lots of posts, and several sentences by one Brother ... i highlighted one sentence he said, and responded to it. That is allowed. You can't control what a person chooses to respond to.

If you are trying to prove to others, where you stand, stand there always. Let all of your writings, all of your interactions, all of your comings and goings, be in that place ... so when your integrity or character is challenged ... you can let the record speak for itself. You don't have to say anything in your own defense, though i recognize the desire to do so is great.

I would suggest you go back and make a truce with your Sister. If you are truly concerned about what others think of you, i challenge you to work it out with her. Become the friends, the Sister and Brother, that is in you to become. Extend your strong hand to her Brother, in peace, love, and respect ... and i have no doubt that it will be received in that same Spirit. You are the oldest Member, between the two of you, which puts the greatest responsibility on your shoulders. Lead the way Brother Sekhemu.

in Judge Mathis' absence ... i must dismiss your case.

Case Dismissed :smash:

:heart:

Destee

Not at all, Destee, I think management here is flexible and most tolerant of unorthodox viewpoints...

It is those who come here with the preconceived idea that African people have to be monolithic in our points of view, and if we are not, that is cause to hammer them... Nope... That is not cause to hammer, but to agree to disagree without being disagreeable...

In the future, I would that folk would show me where my point of view is wrong, rather than resorting to personal/ad hominem attacks, callling folk ignorant without providing any kind of information to substantiate that claim... I would think that I have done that whenever I have taken a strong position against a person which might, otherwise, be considered a personal thang(Indya, for example) If a person is expressing ignorant points of view on the regular, then that is a different story... Sekhemu does not do that to my knowledge, yet this sister took off on a riff on the brother... I must agree with him when he says that it was a personal thing...

In the past, Sekhemu and I have had a disagreement of two, but clearly it did not stop either of us from apologizing, and moving on... We may have difficulty in the future, too, for all we know... However, understanding is reached when both parties are open to it... I am wondering if this sister is open to understanding based on her heated responses in the now defunct thread??? Hmmmm...

Peace!
Isaiah

Brother Isaiah ... whew! ... i thought you were talking about the management ... very good, thank you!

Yes, you're right, many folk come in with pre-conceived notions ... actually, i think it would be safe to say that everyone comes in with something on their mind. I think it is up to those of us already here, to give them to know what kind of warm, inviting, peaceful, and respectful home we have ... and i'm glad to say that for the most part, our Membership does just that!

It doesn't usually take too long for folk to get the feel of how we live, and make whatever adjustments (if any) are needed.

I'm sure our Sister is open to peace.

Always a pleasure talking with you Brother Isaiah.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Sekhemu ... i am so tempted to play Judge Mathis and ask you to please present the evidence that proves you have been slandered. Where are your witnesses that have said they now think less of you, after reading her words. What injury have you sustained, and how much do you believe it is worth? Did you do all you could, to avoid interaction with her? Is she justified, in her own mind, to believe the things that she shared? Is it at all possible, that you could have given her reason, to think as she does?

I think the term "slander" is a legal one, used to prove or disprove injury caused by the words of another. Injury with financial compensation, if proven to be true. Anything less than that, is not slander, but some other word ... perhaps inconsiderate, disrespectful, short-sighted, close-minded, difficult, obstinate ... but probably not slanderous. You'd not win this case if i'm the judge.

I have been here from the beginning, and this Sister is not the first Member that you have had trouble getting along with. Different folk, different topics, different situations, but the results were the same. Two members fighting.

I'm not sure what makes you experience this, or even if you can see the pattern. I know that you love your Sisters and Brothers. I know that you want the best for us. I know you are willing to go way beyond what most will do. I know that you have much wisdom to share, and that you share it. I know you are ferocious! I know that you are not easy. (ferocious and not easy are very good things!) I know that you are very protective, of that which you love. I know that within you, is what our people need. Yet there is the reality of the fighting that occurs from time to time.

You did not do your level best to avoid her. You have the ability to put her (or any Member) on ignore, but you did not do that. Putting a Member on ignore, removes each of their posts, all of their words, from your view. This reasonable measure to avoid conflict was not taken, and it hurts your case.

A Member is free to respond to any one part of a thread or post, that they'd like. Just yesterday, a thread with lots of posts, and several sentences by one Brother ... i highlighted one sentence he said, and responded to it. That is allowed. You can't control what a person chooses to respond to.

If you are trying to prove to others, where you stand, stand there always. Let all of your writings, all of your interactions, all of your comings and goings, be in that place ... so when your integrity or character is challenged ... you can let the record speak for itself. You don't have to say anything in your own defense, though i recognize the desire to do so is great.

I would suggest you go back and make a truce with your Sister. If you are truly concerned about what others think of you, i challenge you to work it out with her. Become the friends, the Sister and Brother, that is in you to become. Extend your strong hand to her Brother, in peace, love, and respect ... and i have no doubt that it will be received in that same Spirit. You are the oldest Member, between the two of you, which puts the greatest responsibility on your shoulders. Lead the way Brother Sekhemu.

in Judge Mathis' absence ... i must dismiss your case.

Case Dismissed :smash:

:heart:

Destee


Responsibility or culpablity. Once again, if you don't if you don't know what my intentions are and can not prove that I hate Africans, but you say I don't that is a lie. It is your opinion that I am not consistent with my words and deeds. And although you may be the owner of this site, that does not mean that you objective.

Most of the moderators here are female. There is a tendency to defend the females here much faster than the brothas, and this is problematic.I will not apologize to any one, young or old, that is convinced I hate them or their people, For What? I don't care if I get banned. Yes I am wise and in my wisdom I see this member has had her ***** kissed one too many times

So I'm outta here

BTW, you have definately played the judge

Peace to the Goddesses and Gods

Responsibility or culpablity. Once again, if you don't if you don't know what my intentions are and can not prove that I hate Africans, but you say I don't that is a lie. It is your opinion that I am not consistent with my words and deeds. And although you may be the owner of this site, that does not mean that you objective.

Most of the moderators here are female. There is a tendency to defend the females here much faster than the brothas, and this is problematic.I will not apologize to any one, young or old, that is convinced I hate them or their people, For What? I don't care if I get banned. Yes I am wise and in my wisdom I see this member has had her ***** kissed one too many times

So I'm outta here

BTW, you have definately played the judge

Peace to the Goddesses and Gods

Oh my gosh! You know what Brother Sekhemu ... can you believe some years ago, that i was accused of favoring the Brothers (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10178) and not counting the Sisters ... and by a Sister no less! :) It is so precious to hear it from your perspective, the complete opposite.

I believe the Sister that presented that concern then, was as wrong as you are now. Unlike you, i will not go so far as to call her, or you, a liar ... because you interpret my words and actions in one certain way or perspective. That does not make you a liar, it just makes you wrong. A liar knows they are telling an untruth, and you obviously believe what you're saying. There is a difference.

I have never claimed to know it all, or that i am above making a mistake. At some point in the process of resolution, the issue must be resolved. You attempted to do that with the Sister, it didn't work. Brother Pan came in and tried to mediate, that didn't end it. I even posted in the thread, because of the fussing, that stopped nothing. The thread was closed, and it found its way over here, which is fine ... but at some point this must be resolved. As the owner of this site, the buck stops here. While it's rare that a disruption gets to this level, it has happened before. I can only evaluate the facts that are present for all to see. Everyone is not going to agree with what i find, and i could be wrong ... but i don't believe i am.

As i type this, i'm wondering, who can tell me i'm wrong ... and i actually believe them and adjust accordingly?

The Family can.

Brother Sekhemu ... you are more than welcome to present this to the Family. Let everyone in on it, and ask them to vote, create polls ... on any or all of the accusations you've made.

If the majority agree with you, i'll reconsider my position.

I hate to see you leave us over a disagreement. I never said i was going to ban you, or that you must apologize to anyone. And if there is any Member here, that can say i have kissed their @ss, please have them post to this thread, confirming that truth you just told.

I hope you'll take me up on the offer above, and let the Family speak on this.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Responsibility or culpablity. Once again, if you don't if you don't know what my intentions are and can not prove that I hate Africans, but you say I don't that is a lie. It is your opinion that I am not consistent with my words and deeds. And although you may be the owner of this site, that does not mean that you objective.

Most of the moderators here are female. There is a tendency to defend the females here much faster than the brothas, and this is problematic.I will not apologize to any one, young or old, that is convinced I hate them or their people, For What? I don't care if I get banned. Yes I am wise and in my wisdom I see this member has had her ***** kissed one too many times
So I'm outta here BTW, you have definately played the judge Peace to the Goddesses and Gods

Brother Sekhemu:

I think you are taking this further than it needs to go! Sister Kwango_Likemba has been cautioned about her approach, what more can you expect us to do? Indeed brother what exactly are you asking for? Do you want her to be banned? She will not, because she hasn't done anything to be banned for! We reacted to your perceptions that you were being personally attacked. Sister Kwango_Likemba hasn't even been in here to give her version of events, which we usually ask for when two established members are having a dispute. No one on the moderating team is kissing anyone else's *****, I assure you. However in this situation most see a personal disagreement rather than a personal attack. If you want to talk about personal attacks, no one on here has had their character & motives questioned like Destee has. I have had quite a few personal attacks myself: See the "Dark Girl Complex" & "Mr. and Mrs. PanAfrica" threads. Yet we are able to see past these attempts to distract & discredit us, and continue in our work. Indeed brother people who are trying to accomplish our goals can not be sensitive. I wish you'd reconsider your decision to leave, but if not I wish you good journey.

Brother Sekhemu:

I think you are taking this further than it needs to go! Sister Kwango_Likemba has been cautioned about her approach, what more can you expect us to do? Indeed brother what exactly are you asking for? Do you want her to be banned? She will not, because she hasn't done anything to be banned for! We reacted to your perceptions that you were being personally attacked. Sister Kwango_Likemba hasn't even been in here to give her version of events, which we usually ask for when two established members are having a dispute. No one on the moderating team is kissing anyone else's *****, I assure you. However in this situation most see a personal disagreement rather than a personal attack. If you want to talk about personal attacks, no one on here has had their character & motives questioned like Destee has. I have had quite a few personal attacks myself: See the "Dark Girl Complex" & "Mr. and Mrs. PanAfrica" threads. Yet we are able to see past these attempts to distract & discredit us, and continue in our work. Indeed brother people who are trying to accomplish our goals can not be sensitive. I wish you'd reconsider your decision to leave, but if not I wish you good journey.


You've done all that I've asked you to do. Thanks

Oh my gosh! You know what Brother Sekhemu ... can you believe some years ago, that i was accused of favoring the Brothers (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10178) and not counting the Sisters ... and by a Sister no less! :) It is so precious to hear it from your perspective, the complete opposite.

I believe the Sister that presented that concern then, was as wrong as you are now. Unlike you, i will not go so far as to call her, or you, a liar ... because you interpret my words and actions in one certain way or perspective. That does not make you a liar, it just makes you wrong. A liar knows they are telling an untruth, and you obviously believe what you're saying. There is a difference.

I have never claimed to know it all, or that i am above making a mistake. At some point in the process of resolution, the issue must be resolved. You attempted to do that with the Sister, it didn't work. Brother Pan came in and tried to mediate, that didn't end it. I even posted in the thread, because of the fussing, that stopped nothing. The thread was closed, and it found its way over here, which is fine ... but at some point this must be resolved. As the owner of this site, the buck stops here. While it's rare that a disruption gets to this level, it has happened before. I can only evaluate the facts that are present for all to see. Everyone is not going to agree with what i find, and i could be wrong ... but i don't believe i am.

As i type this, i'm wondering, who can tell me i'm wrong ... and i actually believe them and adjust accordingly?

The Family can.

Brother Sekhemu ... you are more than welcome to present this to the Family. Let everyone in on it, and ask them to vote, create polls ... on any or all of the accusations you've made.

If the majority agree with you, i'll reconsider my position.

I hate to see you leave us over a disagreement. I never said i was going to ban you, or that you must apologize to anyone. And if there is any Member here, that can say i have kissed their @ss, please have them post to this thread, confirming that truth you just told.

I hope you'll take me up on the offer above, and let the Family speak on this.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

I didn't say you or anyone in particuliar kissed her *****. But a few members, you and Pan not included have pandered and catered to her. IMHO this is kissing her *****. So if you thought I was refering to you or Pan I apologize to the both of you.

Her main bone of contention with me was that I don't care about Continental Africans. True a liar knows they are telling an untruth, and I thought I left a good amount of documentation by my replies for anyone to read and see that I do care about continental Africans. So if someone alleges that I do not, then they are either not doing their homework, or they choose to ignore the "evidence".

So Destee I will take you up on your offer, I will ask the family if what she says about me is true in a new thread

Thank you for your concern.

I didn't say you or anyone in particuliar kissed her *****. But a few members, you and Pan not included have pandered and catered to her. IMHO this is kissing her *****. So if you thought I was refering to you or Pan I apologize to the both of you.

Her main bone of contention with me was that I don't care about Continental Africans. True a liar knows they are telling an untruth, and I thought I left a good amount of documentation by my replies for anyone to read and see that I do care about continental Africans. So if someone alleges that I do not, then they are either not doing their homework, or they choose to ignore the "evidence".

So Destee I will take you up on your offer, I will ask the family if what she says about me is true in a new thread

Thank you for your concern.

Brother Sekhemu ... i'm glad you're going to stay and take me up on the offer.

Brother Sekhemu ... i am almost amazed that the very thing you accuse her of ... you are doing to me ... yet you can't see it. You want this Sister crucified, yet you don't see you've established (negative and wrong) perceptions of me, stated them here in this thread, and been allowed that luxury.

If knowing that the Family does not agree with her perception of you, will bring peace to this situation, i'm all for it.

After this poll is completed, and you've received the results you are seeking ... what do you want me to do? What should i change or adjust, in regard to the management of the community, as a result of the findings?

:heart:

Destee

Brother Sekhemu ... i'm glad you're going to stay and take me up on the offer.

Brother Sekhemu ... i am almost amazed that the very thing you accuse her of ... you are doing to me ... yet you can't see it. You want this Sister crucified, yet you don't see you've established (negative and wrong) perceptions of me, stated them here in this thread, and been allowed that luxury.

If knowing that the Family does not agree with her perception of you, will bring peace to this situation, i'm all for it.

After this poll is completed, and you've received the results you are seeking ... what do you want me to do? What should i change or adjust, in regard to the management of the community, as a result of the findings?

:heart:

Destee

Can you please point out the negative and wrong perceptions I've made about you. IF I offended you, I most humbly apologize to you :grouphug:

As far as what I think you should do, I think we need an equal amount of Male moderators as we do female. If someone makes an allegation, not an opinion against another member, the moderators should ask them for proof. Pure and simple. If you make a claim about a person, they must be challenged to back up what they say with documentation.

With all due respect, Crucified? is that what I asked you or anyone else to do to her. That word is a little unfortunate and it doesn't represent my intentions of any person here on the forum. Having said that what I want is for people to prove what they say or don't say it all

Pan wrote.

" Brother Sekhemu:

I think you are taking this further than it needs to go! "

" So Destee I will take you up on your offer, I will ask the family if what she says about me is true in a new thread " WHY?

Who needs the back and forth. It makes me laugh when someone says they are leaving...then waits to see if someone asks them to stay. Membership or time of tenure offers no more to one or another. Disruption of peace is all the same.

Pan wrote.

" Brother Sekhemu:

I think you are taking this further than it needs to go! "

" So Destee I will take you up on your offer, I will ask the family if what she says about me is true in a new thread " WHY?

Who needs the back and forth. It makes me laugh when someone says they are leaving...then waits to see if someone asks them to stay. Membership or time of tenure offers no more to one or another. Disruption of peace is all the same.


First of all I never offered to leave, I expected to be banned, and I said I'm outta here expecting, expecting the impending ban. Frankly how would you know what I was waiting for? are you a mind reader? So you can laugh until you black out. :D


It was not my idea to put the question to a poll, it was Destee's so why aren't you asking her why? If the very owner of this site made this suggestion to me, do you think she would have done so if she thought it would cause further disruptions?

Think about it.

First of all I never offered to leave, I expected to be banned, and I said I'm outta here expecting, expecting the impending ban. Frankly how would you know what I was waiting for? are you a mind reader? So you can laugh until you black out. :D


It was not my idea to put the question to a poll, it was Destee's so why aren't you asking her why? If the very owner of this site made this suggestion to me, do you think she would have done so if she thought it would cause further disruptions?

Think about it.

You said. I'm out of here!
" Yes I am wise and in my wisdom I see this member has had her ***** kissed one too many times

So I'm outta here "

Your words. Your right, I'm right, She's right, who cares.
I think the owner was just trying again to appease a member. That is common when things get heated for no reason. Are you going to put up a poll?

You said. I'm out of here!
" Yes I am wise and in my wisdom I see this member has had her ***** kissed one too many times

So I'm outta here "

Your words. Your right, I'm right, She's right, who cares.
I think the owner was just trying again to appease a member. That is common when things get heated for no reason. Are you going to put up a poll?


Ahhhh I see, this is all deja Vu, you want me to leave don't you, don't hold your breath man. As I recall you added your two cents when earth was here causing a disruption. Well we all know what happened to him

You think the owner was just trying to appease a member, but that's conjecture. No proof in that is there? "Who cares?" Obviously you do. Or else why even make a comment about it.

I already put the poll up, and I would imagine you're dying to add your comments. But let me make it easy on you, if you don't like what I have to say and want me to leave, be a man about it and ask me to do so.

lol...ya'll are wild...i don't mean to laugh


but it's funny....:lol:

chill-out ya'll....

one love
khasm

lol...ya'll are wild...i don't mean to laugh


but it's funny....:lol:

chill-out ya'll....

one love
khasm


you're funny too brotha, Hilarious even :D

Can you please point out the negative and wrong perceptions I've made about you. IF I offended you, I most humbly apologize to you :grouphug:

Yes Brother Sekhemu ... i most certainly can, your comments are in red below, and none of them offended me. For whatever reason, you believe the things you've said below, and you're entitled to do that. While i don't agree with them, there may be something i can learn about myself ... such as how others perceive me ... or there is something that i can learn about you ... from being open to the things you say. I was not offended and there is no need to apologize.

1. And although you may be the owner of this site, that does not mean that you objective.

I believe i am quite objective. I challenge myself daily, to be objective. I encourage the Moderators to be objective. People could not feel as comfortable as they do here, if we were not fair and impartial. I don't believe your perception of me is true or positive.

2. Most of the moderators here are female. There is a tendency to defend the females here much faster than the brothas, and this is problematic.

While it is currently true, that there are more female Moderators than male, this ratio changes all the time. When we first formed our Moderating Team, there were 4 Brothers and 1 Sister on it. For you to use this value now, in an attempt to support your false and negative implication, that i am quicker to defend a Sister than a Brother, is skewed at best.

3. I don't care if I get banned.

I never said i was going to ban you. I never made mention of banning you. For you to "go here," as though this is the route i will choose, just because i can, implies that i'm not willing to go the distance ... but will cut it off short by simply banning you. As though this is how we manage here. It is wrong, negative, and not warranted, in my opinion ... especially considering all of the evidence proving that i'm willing to give this all the time and energy that you feel it requires.

4. But a few members, you and Pan not included have pandered and catered to her. IMHO this is kissing her *****.

While the above is not about me, i don't believe you can get one Member to agree that they have kissed this Sister's @ss ... yet you claim a few have.


With all due respect, Crucified? is that what I asked you or anyone else to do to her. That word is a little unfortunate and it doesn't represent my intentions of any person here on the forum. Having said that what I want is for people to prove what they say or don't say it all

Brother Sekhemu ... can you prove the things you said above?


As far as what I think you should do, I think we need an equal amount of Male moderators as we do female. If someone makes an allegation, not an opinion against another member, the moderators should ask them for proof. Pure and simple. If you make a claim about a person, they must be challenged to back up what they say with documentation.

Brother Sekhemu ... the Moderating Team evolves, just as the community does ... but please trust, i am always seeking to maintain its balance, in all regards ... as i do for every aspect of this community.

While it may appear as though it's real easy to manage our home, trust me, it is not. Many factors, thought, and discussion go into most every decision here. The Moderators have a lot of work to do as is. They don't get paid, and now you want me to tell them to police the Member's thoughts? You want them to verify each post, and make sure that each Member can provide documentation and proof for all that they say (think)?! Do you realize we have almost 300,000 posts here?! Are you aware of the resources required to fulfull such a task? I don't think you are.

In addition, what you suggest goes against the grain of this community. We are free here. Free to share our thoughts, even if no one agrees with us. To do as you suggest, would quickly throw us into some sort of police state, where no thoughts, opinions, ideas, could be shared ... unless documentation and proof accompanied them! Oh my gosh Brother Sekhemu ... i don't think this is what you want for our home.

While i asked if you could prove the things you said above, i don't really care if you can or not. You're entitled to think and believe what you will. I have absolutely no control over that, and don't seek to gain it.

Isn't that what the slave owners did to our Ancestors? Control their thinking? No, i don't want to control the Membership's thinking, or the flow of information being shared. It is my hope that this community will stimulate our thinking, encourage us to talk and ask questions, help us to overcome some of the conditioning done to us, that keeps us from thinking and speaking freely with each other. No, i could never imagine doing as you've suggested.

But we do have in place a process, that if a Member feels they've been violated, they can post to the Forum Rules and Violations Forum (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7937), sharing all the particulars and getting the issue addressed.

Again, i am not offended by anything you've said. I am actually honored, that you feel free enough to share your thoughts with me ... no matter that i don't agree with them.

I see that you did create the poll thread (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32740), and i'm going to move it down here, to this forum, trying to keep all like stuff together.

Whew!

Brother Sekhemu ... you have surely made me earn my pay today ... wait ... i don't get paid ... neva mind.

:heart:

Destee

Yes Brother Sekhemu ... i most certainly can, your comments are in red below, and none of them offended me. For whatever reason, you believe the things you've said below, and you're entitled to do that. While i don't agree with them, there may be something i can learn about myself ... such as how others perceive me ... or there is something that i can learn about you ... from being open to the things you say. I was not offended and there is no need to apologize.

1. And although you may be the owner of this site, that does not mean that you objective.

I believe i am quite objective. I challenge myself daily, to be objective. I encourage the Moderators to be objective. People could not feel as comfortable as they do here, if we were not fair and impartial. I don't believe your perception of me is true or positive.

2. Most of the moderators here are female. There is a tendency to defend the females here much faster than the brothas, and this is problematic.

While it is currently true, that there are more female Moderators than male, this ratio changes all the time. When we first formed our Moderating Team, there were 4 Brothers and 1 Sister on it. For you to use this value now, in an attempt to support your false and negative implication, that i am quicker to defend a Sister than a Brother, is skewed at best.

3. I don't care if I get banned.

I never said i was going to ban you. I never made mention of banning you. For you to "go here," as though this is the route i will choose, just because i can, implies that i'm not willing to go the distance ... but will cut it off short by simply banning you. As though this is how we manage here. It is wrong, negative, and not warranted, in my opinion ... especially considering all of the evidence proving that i'm willing to give this all the time and energy that you feel it requires.

4. But a few members, you and Pan not included have pandered and catered to her. IMHO this is kissing her *****.

While the above is not about me, i don't believe you can get one Member to agree that they have kissed this Sister's @ss ... yet you claim a few have.




Brother Sekhemu ... can you prove the things you said above?




Brother Sekhemu ... the Moderating Team evolves, just as the community does ... but please trust, i am always seeking to maintain its balance, in all regards ... as i do for every aspect of this community.

While it may appear as though it's real easy to manage our home, trust me, it is not. Many factors, thought, and discussion go into most every decision here. The Moderators have a lot of work to do as is. They don't get paid, and now you want me to tell them to police the Member's thoughts? You want them to verify each post, and make sure that each Member can provide documentation and proof for all that they say (think)?! Do you realize we have almost 300,000 posts here?! Are you aware of the resources required to fulfull such a task? I don't think you are.

In addition, what you suggest goes against the grain of this community. We are free here. Free to share our thoughts, even if no one agrees with us. To do as you suggest, would quickly throw us into some sort of police state, where no thoughts, opinions, ideas, could be shared ... unless documentation and proof accompanied them! Oh my gosh Brother Sekhemu ... i don't think this is what you want for our home.

While i asked if you could prove the things you said above, i don't really care if you can or not. You're entitled to think and believe what you will. I have absolutely no control over that, and don't seek to gain it.

Isn't that what the slave owners did to our Ancestors? Control their thinking? No, i don't want to control the Membership's thinking, or the flow of information being shared. It is my hope that this community will stimulate our thinking, encourage us to talk and ask questions, help us to overcome some of the conditioning done to us, that keeps us from thinking and speaking freely with each other. No, i could never imagine doing as you've suggested.

But we do have in place a process, that if a Member feels they've been violated, they can post to the Forum Rules and Violations Forum (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7937), sharing all the particulars and getting the issue addressed.

Again, i am not offended by anything you've said. I am actually honored, that you feel free enough to share your thoughts with me ... no matter that i don't agree with them.

I see that you did create the poll thread (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32740), and i'm going to move it down here, to this forum, trying to keep all like stuff together.

Whew!

Brother Sekhemu ... you have surely made me earn my pay today ... wait ... i don't get paid ... neva mind.

:heart:

Destee

No disrepect to you, but how can you be totally objective totally objective if you put on the hat of a judge giving what amounts to an opinion. At some point anyone would fall short of objectivity. Including moderators

Secondly I did not say you personally have a tendency to defend the female members quicker than the males, I said there is a tendency to do so. I am referring to some of the moderators and this is what I have seen since I've been here from time to time. You could argue that my perception is distorted, howeve this is my take on the issue. I was not here when this website was created. I only know of the moderators present now that were here when I joined this site.

I said I don't care if I was banned because my words may have broken the rules, and up to that point I could expect them to not be tolerated, hence being banned. I expected no exceptions to be made for me. I've seen members being banned for breaking forum rules, and by the choice of my words I certainly expected the same.

I will admit that kissing her ***** was a bit strong, but I do see a few members having coddled her and defending her unneccesarily. If I asked them if they were doing this, I don't honestly expect them to admit it

Are you asking if I can prove her ***** was being kissed or if I don't want her to be crucified, I'm not clear on that one

I don't think it's easy to run this site at all, and I can appreciate the moderators not being able to referee every single post right away. However you asked me what I thought could be done and I answered you. I know full well it probably could not be attained. and that's alright.

Panafrica asked me what do I want him to do, i said you have done all that I've asked for. So have you Destee.

Thanks

sek...i value your opinion because you are a strong black man...
we need more brothers like you...so i'm going to make this short...
if you are offended by another member, just ignore this person...
this is cyber-space...you do not have to be bothered by someone if u do not want to...
contrary to the real world...ease up my brother and do not get offended by others vantage points...
your opinion is well respected here...peace

one love
khasm