"In the beginning"...opens Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament. The Holy Qur’an (Muslim Holy Book) agrees. It differs only in using the word "Allah," which is formed by joining the definite article "al" (meaning "the") with "Illah" (God). Literally, the word "Allah" means "the God." Not a god, for there is only one. The God...

Allah is the name of the Supreme Being Who is the Sole Possessor of all perfect attributes and is completely free from all conceivable defects. In the Arabic language, the word "Allah" is never used for any other thing or being. No other language has a distinctive or proper name for the Supreme Being. The names found in other languages are all attributive or descriptive, and are often used in the plural. But the word "Allah" is never used in the plural. It is a simple substantive, not derived, and is never used as a qualifying word...

In the absence of a parallel word in the English language, the original name "Allah" has been retained throughout the English translation of the Holy Qur’an. This view is corroborated by eminent authorities of the Arabic language. "Allah," according to the most correct of the opinions respecting it, is a proper name, applied to the Being who exists necessarily by Himself, comprising all the attributes of perfection – the "al" being inseparable from it.

Allah is the unique God, without partner, incomparable, the only necessary Being, the only absolute Reality, self-subsisting, self-sufficient, the Highest, the Sublime, the Magnificent, the Praiseworthy, the Holy, the Living, the Eternal, the Creator, the Almighty, the Judge, the Benefactor, the Clement, the Guardian, the Protector, the Just, the Gentle, the Compassionate, the First and the Last, the Apparent and the Hidden, the One by whom all live and to whom all return...

Islam is the proper name of the religion of Allah. Derived from the word "salam," which primarily means "peace" – but in a secondary sense "surrender" – its full connotation is: "The perfect peace that comes when one’s life is surrendered to God." The corresponding adjective is Muslim...

"La ilaha illa Allah" ("There is no God but The God") proclaims the Muslim, whose proper name is Allah...

Allah is the unique God, without partner, incomparable, the only necessary Being, the only absolute Reality, self-subsisting, self-sufficient, the Highest, the Sublime, the Magnificent, the Praiseworthy, the Holy, the Living, the Eternal, the Creator, the Almighty, the Judge, the Benefactor, the Clement, the Guardian, the Protector, the Just, the Gentle, the Compassionate, the First and the Last, the Apparent and the Hidden, the One by whom all live and to whom all return...

:toast:

Islam is the proper name of the religion of Allah. Derived from the word "salam," which primarily means "peace" – but in a secondary sense "surrender" – its full connotation is:

"The perfect peace that comes when one’s life is surrendered to God."

Before Mohammed converted the paganistic Qurash to islam ,they whorshiped deities called allat,manet,and Al uzza. The sabeans which ruled much of arabia prior to,Bedouins adapted the deioty allat from the Sabeans.

Mohammed probally copying Christains or jews deciided to convert his people to Islam. In order to get his people to listen he had to subsitute the deity of yaweh in the bible with allat,which he deemed as being one instead of many.

Allat was allah the moon deity.

Before Muhammad converted the paganistic Quraish to Islam, they worshipped deities called "allat," "manet," and "Al uzza." The Sabeans, who ruled much of Arabia prior to, Bedouins adapted the deity "allat" from the Sabeans.

Muhammad, probably copying Christians or Jews, decided to convert his people to Islam. In order to get his people to listen he had to subsitute the deity of Yahweh in the Bible with "allat," which he deemed as being one instead of many. "Allat" was Allah, the Moon deity.This is pure conjecture...can you provide a link to this information?

''This is pure conjecture...can you provide a link to this information?''


I was talking about pre islamic times,when the bedouins whorshiped many deities,and mohammed tried to get them to whorship one. The deities they whorshipped was Allat,manet,and al uzza.

This information is documented in a book called history of the arabs by Phillip K hitti.

The sabeans once upon a time ruled the entire middle east,and of course nomadic bedouins are going to adopt their deities from them.

As-Salaam Alaikum Aqil and others,


Sopdet (or should I say Jenny since most of the posts on THIS site are grammatically correct as well as you only have few, if any spelling mistakes...incredible how your usage of English is so improved on this site!),

I've already informed you on the other site that we both frequent that the reason why the dietie "allat" and all other existed in pre-Islamic Arabia among the Quraish is because the Quraish and those living in Arabia were descendents of Ishmael and Abraham...Abraham taught his son Ishmael about Allah -- the ONE GOD.....this was continued by his descendents..

Even taking Abraham and his son out of the picture...there is only ONE GOD -- ALLAH....this is the diety that the Kemetic spirituality, the Christiands, the Jews, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Hindus and all other religions submit and worship....the only problem is that because of man's inadequacy to conceive of the full nature of Allah, they have strayed from the path and made for themselves lesser gods to meet their needs..hence the simillarities of the names....

I get shivers in the fact that even with all the idol gods and such, not ONE of them is called "Allah"......for Allah, in His Infinite Wisdom and Exalted Might has reserved that name for Himself ALONE...for He alone is the one and only God.....


Allahu-Akbar!!!


Walaikum As-Salaam

Originally posted by Sopdet
Before Mohammed converted the paganistic Qurash to islam ,they whorshiped deities called allat,manet,and Al uzza. The sabeans which ruled much of arabia prior to,Bedouins adapted the deioty allat from the Sabeans.

Mohammed probally copying Christains or jews deciided to convert his people to Islam. In order to get his people to listen he had to subsitute the deity of yaweh in the bible with allat,which he deemed as being one instead of many.

Allat was allah the moon deity.

PEACE:

All of the above is about as true as saying Christianity is based on Sun-Worship.

There are instances of idol worship found in the Bible where Jesus spoke against it, and also you can find mention of where Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) spoke against idol worship. But to say that Christianity evolved from sun-worship or Islam evolved from moon-worship is illogical (and just plain ridiculous).

LM

PEACE:

All of the above is about as true as saying Christianity is based on sun-worship.

There are instances of idol worship found in the Bible where Jesus spoke against it, and also you can find mention of where Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) spoke against idol worship. But to say that Christianity evolved from sun-worship or Islam evolved from moon-worship is illogical (and just plain ridiculous)...Thanks OpnYr3rdi...(great handle!)

the name Tetragramaton ring a bell? YMVH. the name that should not or could not be pronounced.. hmmmm

pardon me that was YHVH

Yes, Sekhemu. See my thread titled, "The Origin of the Words 'Yahweh' and 'Jehovah'" for further edification...

actually Aqil, I was posing a rhetorical question. Not to sound arrogant, but you can bet I'm pretty well versed on tetragrammaton. In kaballah over all

I am aware of the Jewish Kaballah mystic belief system...however, I'm not impressed with it because so much of it was stolen...

To be quite honest I could really care less whether you're impressed or not. Your claim that is was stolen, yeah right. You apparently don't know as much about it as you claim. It's not a "Jewish" mystic belief system. Yes it is, and has been used by Jews, just like black people as yourself use Islam. But it came thru the black man.

My knowledge of this occult system comes from a book titled, The Art and Practice of Kaballa Magic, by Ophiel. Here is part of the author's introduction and forward:

"As an aside, it appears that the Muslim religion in the 13th through 15th centuries was not as straight-laced as the hide-bound Christians were, and it appears that they dealt freely and openly with the inner worlds - planes - matters of the Kaballa - as well as invocations and evocations to all kinds of "spirits," good and otherwise. In fact, I am told, Muslims taught these things in their universities in Spain before the insane Ferdinand and Isabella drove them out in 1492..."

(Ophiel, The Art and Practice of Kaballa Magic, 1977, Samuel Weiser, Inc., p.2)

Your last sentence is correct, Sekhemu...the Kaballah did come through the Black man...those Africans who happened to be Muslim. The Jews took the knowledge with them when they were banished from Spain in 1492...

Now as to the assertion that, "...the Kaballah did come through...those Africans who happened to be Muslim." is simply false. I suggest u research beyond your sources. Is this to say that Muslims created the Kabala? Prove it. Peace Baba Ahmed:

First of all I quoted from Ophiel's book The Art and Practice of Kaballa Magic. Secondly, I was responding to Sekhemu's following statement:

"You apparently don't know as much about it as you claim. It's not a 'Jewish' mystic belief system. Yes it is, and has been used by Jews, just like black people as yourself use Islam. But it came thru the black man."

Peace Aqil - how does the author evidence/support your quote:

"As an aside, it appears that the Muslim religion in the 13th through 15th centuries was not as straightlaced as the hidebound Christians were, and it appears that they dealt freely and openly with the inner worlds - planes - matters of the Kaballa - as well as invocations and evocations to all kinds of 'spirits,' good and otherwise. In fact, I am told, Muslims taught these things in their universities in Spain before the insane Ferdinand and Isabella drove them out in 1491..."

This appears to me as personal perceptions and hearsay. Weak!Here is the next paragraph in Ophiel's forward:

"But before the Moors took up the Kaballa, in point of fact, before the Jews existed as a Palestinian nation; before Babylon in Egypt, some form of the Kaballa existed because all the gods and goddesses of any nation, at any time, at any place, all fit on to the Kaballa pattern, and this does not seem to be an accident."

Aqil the black man in spain, embraced Islam. We all know this, however they did not Invent the Kaballah, they simply taught what they learned in Khemet. THe Temple of Kom Ombo, near aswan has very clear and concise rendering and text... concerning the tree of life. Needless to say the Temples there predate anything taught by the Moors.

With that said, we agree on it's origin. But that should not detract from the it's usefullness. Henry Ford is credited with inventing the Automobile... so they say. Point being is just because someone teaches you something that they cannot take credit for...does not mean it cannot be used as a tool, for guidance and understanding. Afterall our children are taught by a school system everyday, and look how much they grow up to accomplish.

Hotep

Excellent Disertations Baba Ahmed.

Here it will help to post the authors definition of Kaballa "mysticism." Tho onda real, I'm uninterested in this author's mish mash. I only hope a critical & discerning re-read will help u.Your tenebrous critique of the couple of paragraphs that I quoted from Ophiel's book led me to another containing much information re: the Kaballah. The book is titled, Zolar's Encyclopedia of ANCIENT and FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. Are you familiar with it?

EDIT: Wonder if the "el" ending of author's name indicates God, like in Isra'el?Suprisingly, there is much information on the Internet re: Ophiel...

I disagree that there is one proper name of God for all people.There is one proper name of God for all people on this planet...THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE...

We're suffering from an identity crisis; so some say, as I do, that I am African...although I know it's not the proper name of our Motherland. It's a generally agreed upon name; a focal point.It is my overstanding that the word “Africa” is the Latinized version of the Arabic “Ifriqiyah,” which translates “the Queen of Heaven.” Ifriqiyah was also the original name of Tunisia, the northernmost country on the continent...

It behooves us to realize that religion - as is any other area in life - is related to its societal structure. To separate it is to de-spiritualize it. An aspect resulting from analytical rational thought, which is exactly what has happened to most of today's institutionalized forms of worship.I agree. See my thread. "Astrology: The True Religion" for further edification.

And here is a list and meanings of the 99 (100-1) names:

1. Allah: He who has the Godhood which is the power to create the entities.

2. Ar-Rahman: The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.

3. Ar-Rahim: The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers.

4. Al-Malik: The One with the complete Dominion, the One Whose Dominion is clear from imperfection.

5. Al-Quddus: The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries.

6. As-Salam: The One who is free from every imperfection.

7. Al-Mu'min: The One who witnessed for Himself that no one is God but Him. And He witnessed for His believers that they are truthful in their belief that no one is God but Him.

8. Al-Muhaymin: The One who witnesses the saying and deeds of His creatures.

9. Al-'Aziz: The Defeater who is not defeated.

10. Al-Jabbar: The One that nothing happens in His Dominion except that which He willed.

11. Al-Mutakabbir: The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures and from resembling them.

12. Al-Khaliq: The One who brings everything from non-existence to existence.

13. Al-Bari': The Creator who has the Power to turn the entities.

14. Al-Musawwir: The One who forms His creatures in different pictures.

15. Al-Ghaffar: The One who forgives the sins of His slaves time and time again.

16. Al-Qahhar: The Subduer who has the perfect Power and is not unable over anything.

17. Al-Wahhab: The One who is Generous in giving plenty without any return.

18. Ar-Razzaq: The One who gives everything that benefits whether halal (good) or haram (evil).

19. Al-Fattah: The One who opens for His slaves the closed worldy and religious matters.

20. Al-'Alim: The Knowledgeable; The One nothing is absent from His knowledge.

21. Al-Qabid and 22. Al-Basit: The One who constricts the sustenance by His wisdom and expands and widens it with His Generosity and Mercy.

23. Al-Khafid and 24. Ar-Rafi': The One who lowers whoever He willed by His Destruction and raises whoever He willed by His Endowment.

25. Al-Mu'iz and 26. Al-Muthil: He gives esteem to whoever He willed, hence there is no one to degrade Him; and He degrades whoever He willed, hence there is no one to give Him esteem.

27. As-Sami': The One who Hears all things that are heard by His Eternal Hearing without an ear, instrument, or organ.

28. Al-Basir: The One who Sees all things that are seen by His Eternal Seeing without a pupil or any other instrument.
29. Al-Hakam: He is the Ruler and His judgment is His Word.

30. Al-'Adl: The One who is entitled to do what He does.

31. Al-Latif: The One who is kind to His slaves and endows upon them.

32. Al-Khabir: The One who knows the truth of things.

33. Al-Halim: The One who delays the punishment for those who deserve it, and then He might forgive them.

34. Al-'Azim: The One deserving the attributes of Exaltment, Glory, Extolement, and Purity from all imperfection.

35. Al-Ghafur: The One who forgives a lot.

36. Ash-Shakur: The One who gives a lot of reward for a little obedience.

37. Al-'Aliyy: The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures.

38. Al-Kabir: The One who is greater than everything in status.

39. Al-Hafiz: The One who protects whatever and whoever He willed to protect.

40. Al-Muqit: The One who has the Power.

41. Al-Hasib: The One who gives the satisfaction.

42. Al-Jalil: The One who is attributed with greatness of Power and Glory of status.

43. Al-Karim: The One who is clear from abjectness.

44. Ar-Raqib: The One that nothing is absent from Him. Hence it's meaning is related to the attribute of Knowledge.

45. Al-Mujib: The One who answers the one in need if he asks Him and rescues the yearner if he calls upon Him.

46. Al-Wasi': The Knowledgeable.

47. Al-Hakim: The One who is correct in His doings.

48. Al-Wadud: The One who loves His believing slaves and His believing slaves love Him. His love to His slaves is His Will to be merciful to them and praise them. Hence it's meaning is related to the attributes of the Will and Kalam (His attribute with which He orders and forbids and spoke to Muhammad and Musa [peace be upon them.] It is not a sound nor a language nor a letter).

49. Al-Majid: The One who is with perfect Power, High Status, Compassion, Generosity and Kindness.

50. Al-Ba'ith: The One who resurrects His slaves after death for reward and/or punishment.

51. Ash-Shahid: The One who nothing is absent from Him.

52. Al-Haqq: The One who truly exists.

53. Al-Wakil: The One who gives the satisfaction and is relied upon.

54. Al-Qawiyy: The One with the complete Power.

55. Al-Matin: The One with extreme Power which is un-interrupted and He does not get tired.

56. Al-Waliyy: The Supporter.

57. Al-Hamid: The praised One who deserves to be praised.

58. Al-Muhsi: The One who the count of things are known to him.

59. Al-Mubdi': The One who started the human being (i.e., He created him.)

60. Al-Mu'id: The One who brings back the creatures after death.

61. Al-Muhyi: The One who took out a living human from semen that does not have a soul. He gives life by giving the souls back to the worn-out bodies on the resurrection day, and He makes the hearts alive by the light of knowledge.

62. Al-Mumit: The One who renders the living dead.

63. Al-Hayy: The One attributed with a life that is unlike our life and is not that of a combination of soul, flesh or blood.

64. Al-Qayyum: The One who remains and does not end.

65. Al-Wajid: The Rich who is never poor. Al-Wajd is Richness.

66. Al-Majid: The One who is Majid.

67. Al-Wahid: The One without a partner.

68. As-Samad: The Master who is relied upon in matters and reverted to in ones needs.

69. Al-Qadir: The One attributed with Power.

70. Al-Muqtadir: The One with the perfect Power that nothing is withheld from Him.

71. Al-Muqaddim and 72. Al-Mu'akhkhir: The One who puts things in their right places. He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills.

73. Al-'Awwal: The One whose Existence is without a beginning.

74. Al-'Akhir: The One whose Existence is without an end.

75. Az-Zahir and 76. Al-Batin: The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.

77. Al-Wali: The One who owns things and manages them.

78. Al-Muta'ali: The One who is clear from the attributes of the Creation.

79. Al-Barr: The One who is kind to His creatures, who covered them with His sustenance and specified however He willed among them by His support, protection, and special mercy.

80. At-Tawwab: The One who grants repentance to whoever He willed among His creatures and accepts his repentance.

81. Al-Muntaqim: The One who victoriously prevails over His enemies and punishes them for their sins. It may mean the One who destroys them.

82. Al-'Afuww: The One with wide forgiveness.

83. Ar-Ra'uf: The One with extreme Mercy. The Mercy of Allah is His will to endow upon whoever He willed among His creatures.

84. Malik Al-Mulk: The One who controls the Dominion and gives dominion to whoever He willed.

85. Thul-Jalal wa-Ikram: The One who deserves to be Exalted and not denied.

86. Al-Muqsit: The One who is Just in His judgment.

87. Aj-Jami': The One who gathers the creatures on a day that there is no doubt about, that is the Day of Judgment.

88. Al-Ghaniyy: The One who does not need the creation.

89. Al-Mughni: The One who satisfies the necessities of the creatures.

90. Al-Mani': The Supporter who protects and gives victory to His pious believers, and Al-Mu'tiy: The Withholder.

91. Ad-Darr and 92. An-Nafi': The One who makes harm reach to whoever He willed and benefit to whoever He willed.

93. An-Nur: The One who guides.

94. Al-Hadi: The One whom with His Guidance His belivers were guided, and with His Guidance the living: beings have been guided to what is beneficial for them and protected from what is harmful to them.

95. Al-Badi': The One who created the creation and formed it without any preceding example.

96. Al-Baqi: The One that the state of non-existence is impossible for Him.

97. Al-Warith: The One whose Existence remains.

98. Ar-Rashid: The One who guides.

99. As-Sabur: The One who does not quickly punish the sinners.

All religions are but roads to the same Place. It is only when some people say, “My road is the only road” that the pathway to the Place becomes blocked. The divisions existing between the various roads have been created – to a large extent – by the mind of man, even though many of these roads have been truly divinely inspired...

These divisions have caused so much suffering – both on a personal and universal level – that it has become increasingly important for each of us to realize the essential Oneness of it all, no matter what one’s inherited religious dogma is...

The truth is, however, all dogma is false in The Absolute, for dogma attempts to encapsulate Infinity. What a given religion does is adapt an aspect of the One for the level of consciousness and socio-economic structure of a particular race at a given moment in eternity...

No path is the True Path, for in The Absolute there is no “truthfulness” or “falsehood”; no “right” and no “wrong”; no “yes” and no “no”...

more propaganda in psuedo-spiritual cloth.

"As a dog returneth to its vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly."

(Proverbs 26:11)

And remember that there's a say'n: The mu'min is not bothered by what people say...for most of mankind is like cattle."To act without clear understanding; to form habits without investigation; to follow a path all one's life not truly knowing where it leads...thus is the behavior of the multitudes."

(Mencius)

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Never heard of them, ifasehun. Could you quote what portions of my thread are from another author and what parts appear at the link you posted?

THE PROPER NAME OF GOD

"In the beginning"...opens Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament. The Holy Qur’an (Muslim Holy Book) agrees. It differs only in using the word "Allah," which is formed by joining the definite article "al" (meaning "the") with "Illah" (God). Literally, the word "Allah" means "the God." Not a god, for there is only one. The God...

Allah is the name of the Supreme Being Who is the Sole Possessor of all perfect attributes and is completely free from all conceivable defects. In the Arabic language, the word "Allah" is never used for any other thing or being. No other language has a distinctive or proper name for the Supreme Being. The names found in other languages are all attributive or descriptive, and are often used in the plural. But the word "Allah" is never used in the plural. It is a simple substantive, not derived, and is never used as a qualifying word...

In the absence of a parallel word in the English language, the original name "Allah" has been retained throughout the English translation of the Holy Qur’an. This view is corroborated by eminent authorities of the Arabic language. "Allah," according to the most correct of the opinions respecting it, is a proper name, applied to the Being who exists necessarily by Himself, comprising all the attributes of perfection – the "al" being inseparable from it.

Allah is the unique God, without partner, incomparable, the only necessary Being, the only absolute Reality, self-subsisting, self-sufficient, the Highest, the Sublime, the Magnificent, the Praiseworthy, the Holy, the Living, the Eternal, the Creator, the Almighty, the Judge, the Benefactor, the Clement, the Guardian, the Protector, the Just, the Gentle, the Compassionate, the First and the Last, the Apparent and the Hidden, the One by whom all live and to whom all return...

Islam is the proper name of the religion of Allah. Derived from the word "salam," which primarily means "peace" – but in a secondary sense "surrender" – its full connotation is: "The perfect peace that comes when one’s life is surrendered to God." The corresponding adjective is Muslim...

"La ilaha illa Allah" ("There is no God but The God") proclaims the Muslim...whose proper name is Allah.

Re: The Shahadah:

A Muslim expresses his/her faith in the following words:

"Ash-hadu anla ilaha illal-Lahu Wahdahu la Sharika Lahu wa-ash-hadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu."

The English translation of the Shahadah is as follows:

"I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, the One, without any partner. And I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and His Messenger."

Allah is the unique God, without partner, incomparable, the only necessary Being, the only absolute Reality, self-subsisting, self-sufficient, the Highest, the Sublime, the Magnificent, the Praiseworthy, the Holy, the Living, the Eternal, the Creator, the Almighty, the Judge, the Benefactor, the Clement, the Guardian, the Protector, the Just, the Gentle, the Compassionate, the First and the Last, the Apparent and the Hidden, the One by whom all live and to whom all return...

Would be YHVH ALHYM

http://home.insightbb.com/~tekhead2/index23.html

In the Hebrew language, Music Producer...and Hebrew is the language of the Jewish people...

Why Allah (swt) shouldn't be called God?Does this thread answer your query?

Does this thread answer your query?

I'm Writeing The Answer To The Question Why Allah Shouldn't Be Call God , I Have To ReSearch A Few More Things First . Then I'll Post It . And If You Wish You Can Share What Your Belief Are On The Matter .


Araaka - Fiy - Maa - Ba'd - In - Shaa - A - Allah < Aqil >

THE PROPER NAME OF GOD

"In the beginning"...opens Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament. The Holy Qur’an (Muslim Holy Book) agrees. It differs only in using the word "Allah," which is formed by joining the definite article "al" (meaning "the") with "Illah" (God). Literally, the word "Allah" means "the God." Not a god, for there is only one. The God...

Allah is the name of the Supreme Being Who is the Sole Possessor of all perfect attributes and is completely free from all conceivable defects. In the Arabic language, the word "Allah" is never used for any other thing or being. No other language has a distinctive or proper name for the Supreme Being. The names found in other languages are all attributive or descriptive, and are often used in the plural. But the word "Allah" is never used in the plural. It is a simple substantive, not derived, and is never used as a qualifying word...

In the absence of a parallel word in the English language, the original name "Allah" has been retained throughout the English translation of the Holy Qur’an. This view is corroborated by eminent authorities of the Arabic language. "Allah," according to the most correct of the opinions respecting it, is a proper name, applied to the Being who exists necessarily by Himself, comprising all the attributes of perfection – the "al" being inseparable from it.

Allah is the unique God, without partner, incomparable, the only necessary Being, the only absolute Reality, self-subsisting, self-sufficient, the Highest, the Sublime, the Magnificent, the Praiseworthy, the Holy, the Living, the Eternal, the Creator, the Almighty, the Judge, the Benefactor, the Clement, the Guardian, the Protector, the Just, the Gentle, the Compassionate, the First and the Last, the Apparent and the Hidden, the One by whom all live and to whom all return...

Islam is the proper name of the religion of Allah. Derived from the word "salam," which primarily means "peace" – but in a secondary sense "surrender" – its full connotation is: "The perfect peace that comes when one’s life is surrendered to God." The corresponding adjective is Muslim...

"La ilaha illa Allah" ("There is no God but The God") proclaims the Muslim...whose proper name is Allah.


Question If I May , Not Trying To Be Smart Ok
At You Masjid Do You Imaan Teach From The TORAH / BIBLE ?

Question If I May , Not Trying To Be Smart Ok
At You Masjid Do You Imaan Teach From The TORAH / BIBLE ?


The Most Controversial Of The Three Words Is The Word Eloheem Or Allahumma . However , Before I Discuss The Word Eloheem Or Allahuma With You , I Would Like To Give You An Explanation Of The Word El And The Word Elowah . The Name Of Allah Is The Same In Hebrew As It Is In Arabic ; As You Will See From The Following Explanation ;
1. El ( AL ) . The Word . If Found Within The Quote Isaiah 12; 2 Is In Reference To The Creator . It Has Been Mistranslated By English Translators As '' God ''
Isaiah 12 ; 2 < Right Translation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
Here , El Is My Salvation ; I Will Trust , And Not Be Afraid ; For The Ya Yahuwa Is My Strength And My Song Of Praise , He Also Becomes My Slavation .
Isaiah 12 ; 2 King James 1611 A.D.
'' Behold , God Is My Salvation ; I Will Trust , And Not Be Afraid ; For The Lord Jehovah Is My Strength And My Song ; He Also Is Become My Salvation . ''
The Word El Or Al Is An Old Demonstrative Pronoun Slightly Pointing Out A Thing . The Following Definitions Have Been Taken From '' The Concise Staement Of The Principle Of Hebrew Grammar '' Published By Edward C . Mitchell .
Hebrew ; El Arabic ; Al
Used In The Sense Of The This Word Mean '' The '' It Is A
Creator Being The Almighty Definite Article Pointing Out A
Creator , It Literally Means Certain Thing , The Name Of Allah
Strong , Power , Mighty One Is Made Up Of This Definite Article AL
Or '' The '' And The Pronun Lahu Or ''
For Him ''
2 . Elowah ; Is Mentioned In Daniel 11 ; 38 ,
Daniel 11 ; 38 < Right Translation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
But In His Estate Will He Honour The Eloh Of Forces ; And A Eloh Whom His Father Knew Not Will He Honour With Gold , And Silver And With Precious Stones , And Pleasant Things .
Daniel 11 ; 38 < King James 1611 A.D. >
But In His Estate Shall He Honor The God Of Forces ; And A God Whom His Father Knew Not Shall He Honor With Gold And Silver , And With Precious Stones , And Pleasant Things . ''
The Word Elowah Is Referring To Creator In The Preceding Quotes And Is Is Mistranslated As God , Elowah Is A Derivative Of The Word El . It Comes From The Ancient Form Of The Word Alahhu Or Elahh . Has Becaome Obsolete In The Hebrew Language , And It Corresponds With The Arabic Word Alaha or Ilaahi .
Alahhu Or Elahh Alaha
To Worship And To Adore To Worship , Swear , Adore ; From
To Swear , From This Comes Thus You Get The Name Of The
Eloah , Which Corresponds Creator Al Khaaliq .
Of The Creator .
Elahha Or Alahhu In Aramic For Alaha , Closely Resembles The Arabic Word Alaha . This Is Further Proof That Hebrew , Aramic And Arabic Are The Same Language . From The Ancient Chaldean Language , Both El . And Elowah Are In The Singular Tense .
These Are The Same Words ! Just Look Close And You Will See They Are The Same . < Look At The Diagram Below >
Aramic Arabic
Eloahum ( Eloheem ) Allahumma
Eloheem Is The Plural Of The Word Allahuma Is The Plural For The
Alahhu , A Definition Given From Name Allah . The Plural
A Hebrew Dictionary Entitled A Concise Hum Is A Representation
Statement Of The Principle Of Hebrew Of The Creator And His Angelic
Grammar '' By Edward G . Mitchell States Bening Also '' Allah And All His
Eloahim Is A Plural Tense Of The Word Attributes '' The Attributes Called
Goddesses . ( Psalms 71;17 ; 72 ; 1 ) The Koran 3 ;26 , 10 ; 10 , 39 , 46
What They Are Not Telling You Is That This Word Eloahim Is Not In Quraish Or Modern Arabic Terms Or Even In The Terms Of The Modern Classical Arabic Used In The Koran . But It Is Another One Of Those Word That Has Been Grafted From . The Hebrew Term Eloahim . Which Came From The Syretic Term Brought From The Phoenicians , And The Babylonians. Originally From Cuneiform . It Is A Fact That Allahumma ( Or Eloahim ) Is Grammatically A Plural Word . It Is Made From Two Words , Allah And Hum Which Is The Arabic Suffix For '' Them '' Just Like The Jews And The Muslims , Christian Etc , Find The Word '' We '' Used In The Scriptures ( The Torah And The Koran Etc . ) ( And Still Say It Is A Singular Word )
Now Ask Them How Can '' We '' Be < Singular > ? If God Would Have Wanted It To Be < Singular > He Would Have Said '' I '

This is the nonsense I'm talking about ! How could anyone come on here talking about the "Proper Name of God"? Every name given to what we call our Creator is a "CULTURAL" name, pure and simple. If Yahway or whatever was the actual name of God, then why didn't it exist before thre was such a thing as a Hebrew on the earth?

If "Allah" was the actual name, why didn't it exist on the earth before there was a such thing as an Arab on the earth?

All these names are cultural based upon the culture and language of the people. Are we saying that everyone all over the world, regardless of the language they may speak should use someone else's language to call God by?

Our ancestors had many names, but for me, "AMEN Ra" is the ultimate name of our creator. In our ancestors language which is the OLDEST READABLE LANGUAGE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH FROM THE OLDEST PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...."AMEN" means "the hidden or concealed", and "Ra" means "light or sun". Therefore our Creator is described as "The Hidden or Concealed Light" that exist in all things.

But it took invaders, foreigners, enslavers to come and take that word "AMEN" and then come back and tell us that it means something else. That's right, some Johnny come lately people came and stole our words and changed the meaning to fit themselves. Then they came and gave it back to us with their definition on it instead of the one our own ancestors had placed on it. So lets keep this right and stop all the nonsense !!

In the words of Dr. John H. Clark, "anytime you use the nams, definitions, wear the clothes, speak the language and worship your Creator as your conquerors do, you're already in a prison. So it's about time we broke out...don't you think?

The correct spelling of the ancient supreme Egyptian sun god is Re (not Ra), and the correct spelling of the god of the Jews is Yahweh, not "Yahway." (Yahweh is the root of the word "Jehovah").

And the correct pronunciation of the Egyptian son god is “ray” (not “rah”). During the 5th Dynasty (ca. 2560-2420 BC), the priests of Re incorporated the god’s name in their own, e.g., Sahure, Neferirkare, Niusere, etc. Amun, the chief deity of Auset (the Greek Thebes), and Re, the chief deity of On (the Greek Heliopolis) were integrated under the name Amun-Re.

The word "Amen" - Tiberian Hebrew אמן ’Āmēn "So be it; truly", Standard Hebrew אמן Amen, Arabic آمين ’Āmīn) - is a declaration of affirmation found in the Hebrew Bible and in the Holy Qur'an. It has always been in use within Judaism. It has been generally adopted in Christian worship as a concluding formula for prayers and hymns. In Islam, it is the standard ending to the first sura, al-Fatihah...

In Judaism, it is taught that the word "Amen" is an acronym for A[l] (or El), Me[lech], N[e'eman] meaning, "Lord (or God), King, [who is] Trustworthy." It is related to the Hebrew word "emuna" or "faith," with the same lingiustic root, implying that one is affirming with, and of, "the faith" of Judaism (and its belief in Monotheism)...

The uses of "amen" (i.e., "verily") in the Gospels form a peculiar class; they are initial, but often lack any backward reference. Jesus used the word to affirm his own utterances, not those of another person, and this usage was adopted by the church. The liturgical use of the word in apostolic times is attested by a passage from 1 Corinthians, and Justin Martyr (ca. 100-165 AD) describes the congregation as responding "amen" to the benediction after the celebration of the Eucharist. Its introduction into the baptismal formula (in the Greek Orthodox Church it is pronounced after the name of each person of the Trinity) is probably later. Among certain Gnostic sects "Amen" became the name of an angel, and in post-Biblical Jewish works statements are multiplied as to the right method and the bliss of pronouncing it. It is still used in the service of the synagogue, and Muslims not only add it after reciting the first sura of the Qur'an, but also when writing letters, and repeat it three times - often with the word qimtir - as a kind of talisman...

From the attributes of God set forth in Egyptian texts of all periods, the eminent Egyptologists Dr. H. Brugsch and Dr. E. de Rouge have come to the opinion that the dwellers of the Nile Valley – from earliest times – knew and worshipped one God; nameless, incomprehensible, and eternal. In 1860 de Rouge wrote:

“The unity of a supreme and self-existent being, his eternity, his almightiness and external reproduction thereby as God; the immortality of the soul, completed by the dogma of punishments and rewards: such is the sublime and persistent base which, notwithstanding all deviations and all mythological embellishments, must secure for the beliefs of the ancient Egyptians a most honorable place among the religions of antiquity.”

Nine years later he developed this view, and discussed the difficulty of reconciling the belief in the unity of God with the polytheism which existed in Egypt from the earliest times, and he repeated his conviction that the Egyptians believed in a self-existent God who was One Being, who had created man, and who had endowed him with an immortal soul. In fact, Dr. de Rouge amplifies what the famous French Egyptologist Champollion wrote in 1839:

“The Egyptian religion is a pure monotheism, which manifested itself externally by a symbolic polytheism.”

M. Pierret, in his book The Egyptian Pantheon, adopts the view that the texts show us that the Egyptians believed in One Infinite and Eternal God who was without a second, and he repeats Champollion’s dictum. But the most ardent supporter of the monotheistic theory is Dr. Brugsch, who has collected a number of striking passages from the texts, one of which is The Egyptian Book of the Dead, the holy book of the ancient Egyptians. It was written circa 1500 BC, but historians say there are texts which are known to have existed in revised editions and to have been in use among the ancient Egyptians as early as 4500 BC, some 5,000 years before the advent of Christianity. A profound excerpt from one of the passages reads as follows:

“God is one and alone, and none other existeth with Him – God is the One, the One who hath made all things – God is a spirit, a hidden spirit, the spirit of spirits, the great spirit of the Egyptians, the Divine spirit – God is from the beginning, and He hath been from the beginning. He hath existed from old and was when nothing else had being. He existed when nothing else existed, and what existeth He created after He had come into being. He is the Father of beginnings – God is the Eternal One, He is eternal and infinite and endureth forever, and yes – God is hidden and no man knoweth His form. No man hath been able to seek out His likeness; He is hidden to the gods and men, and He is a mystery unto His creatures. No man knoweth how to know Him – His name remaineth hidden; His name is a mystery unto His children. His names are innumerable; they are manifold and none knoweth their number – God is truth and He feedeth thereon. He is the king of truth, and He hath established the Earth thereupon – God is life and through Him only man liveth. He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils – God is father and mother, the father of fathers and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of His own form and the fashioner of His own body - God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in numbers – God hath made the Universe, and He created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be. He is the Creator of the Heavens, and of the Earth, and of the deep, and of the water, and of the mountains. God hath stretched out the Heavens and founded the Earth – what His heart conceived straightway came to pass, and when He hath spoken, it cometh to pass and endureth forever – God is the father of the gods; He fashioned men and formed the gods – God is merciful unto those who reverence Him, and He heareth him that calleth upon Him. God knoweth him that acknowledges Him; He rewardeth him that serveth Him, and He protecteth him that followeth Him.”

("The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Papyrus of Ani," transliteration and translation by E.A. Wallis Budge, pp. xcii-xciii)

This profound passage, written thousands of years before the advent of Christianity, proves – beyond a doubt – that the ancient Egyptians of Africa believed in a self-existent God who was One Being; who created man and endowed him with an immortal soul...

peace ..........true indeed!

In regard to the Egyptians they definately believed in a Supreme being, or beings (as they had many gods for a variety of things) ........As we know that the original skin color is green as chlorophyll, as depicted on the many hierogliphs that we've witnessed.

as for the proper pronunciations, I stay away from that due to the many tongues we still speak today so if I say ra, and my Latino brother or sister says the same it might come out re explaining the difference in spelling and pronunciation!

peace!

IN REFERENCE TO YOUR CONCEPT OF THE CORRECT SPELLING...HOW IN THE HELL WOULD YOU KNOW? WHO TOLD YOU WHAT THE VOWELS WERE AND HOW THEY WERE PRONOUNCED?

THE INTERNATIONAL VOWEL SYSTEM DIDN'T EXIST BACK THEN AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT AMEN, AMUN, AMMON RE, RA, WERE ALL INTERCHANGABLE.

YOU WRITE THIS BULLS*** AS IF YOU ARE THE SOLE AUTHORITY AND SUMMIT OF KNOWLEDGE ON THESE ISSUES, WHEN THE FACT IS THAT YOU ARE SIMPLY ANOTHER ARABINIZED BRAINWASHED BLACKMAN DOING AND SUPPORTING THE BIDDING AND CONCEPTS OF OUR HISTORIC ENEMY AND ENSLAVERS THAT WE CALL ARABS.

WE BOTH KNOW THAT WITHOUT THE AFRICAN STOLEN CONCEPTS OF OUR PEOPLE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO JOHNNY COME LATELY ISLAM, EUROPEANIZED CHRISTIANITY OR JEWS.

YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THESE CRACKERS, ARABS AND JEWS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPOSING THEIR CONCEPTS UPON US...IN SOME WAYS YOU'RE MAYBE A LITTLE WORSE....CAUSE YOU DO SEE BUT ARE TOO WEAK TO BREAK YOUR CONDITIONING ! I AIN'T THE ONE SUCKER !!!, CAUSE I'M ABOUT TO EXPOSE IT ALL !!!

The correct spelling of the ancient supreme Egyptian sun god is Re (not Ra), and the correct spelling of the god of the Jews is Yahweh, not "Yahway." (Yahweh is the root of the word "Jehovah").

And the correct pronunciation of the Egyptian son god is “ray” (not “rah”). During the 5th Dynasty (ca. 2560-2420 BC), the priests of Re incorporated the god’s name in their own, e.g., Sahure, Neferirkare, Niusere, etc. Amun, the chief deity of Auset (the Greek Thebes), and Re, the chief deity of On (the Greek Heliopolis) were integrated under the name Amun-Re.

The word "Amen" - Tiberian Hebrew אמן ’Āmēn "So be it; truly", Standard Hebrew אמן Amen, Arabic آمين ’Āmīn) - is a declaration of affirmation found in the Hebrew Bible and in the Holy Qur'an. It has always been in use within Judaism. It has been generally adopted in Christian worship as a concluding formula for prayers and hymns. In Islam, it is the standard ending to the first sura, al-Fatihah...

In Judaism, it is taught that the word "Amen" is an acronym for A[l] (or El), Me[lech], N[e'eman] meaning, "Lord (or God), King, [who is] Trustworthy." It is related to the Hebrew word "emuna" or "faith," with the same lingiustic root, implying that one is affirming with, and of, "the faith" of Judaism (and its belief in Monotheism)...

The uses of "amen" (i.e., "verily") in the Gospels form a peculiar class; they are initial, but often lack any backward reference. Jesus used the word to affirm his own utterances, not those of another person, and this usage was adopted by the church. The liturgical use of the word in apostolic times is attested by a passage from 1 Corinthians, and Justin Martyr (ca. 100-165 AD) describes the congregation as responding "amen" to the benediction after the celebration of the Eucharist. Its introduction into the baptismal formula (in the Greek Orthodox Church it is pronounced after the name of each person of the Trinity) is probably later. Among certain Gnostic sects "Amen" became the name of an angel, and in post-Biblical Jewish works statements are multiplied as to the right method and the bliss of pronouncing it. It is still used in the service of the synagogue, and Muslims not only add it after reciting the first sura of the Qur'an, but also when writing letters, and repeat it three times - often with the word qimtir - as a kind of talisman...

From the attributes of God set forth in Egyptian texts of all periods, the eminent Egyptologists Dr. H. Brugsch and Dr. E. de Rouge have come to the opinion that the dwellers of the Nile Valley – from earliest times – knew and worshipped one God; nameless, incomprehensible, and eternal. In 1860 de Rouge wrote:

“The unity of a supreme and self-existent being, his eternity, his almightiness and external reproduction thereby as God; the immortality of the soul, completed by the dogma of punishments and rewards: such is the sublime and persistent base which, notwithstanding all deviations and all mythological embellishments, must secure for the beliefs of the ancient Egyptians a most honorable place among the religions of antiquity.”

Nine years later he developed this view, and discussed the difficulty of reconciling the belief in the unity of God with the polytheism which existed in Egypt from the earliest times, and he repeated his conviction that the Egyptians believed in a self-existent God who was One Being, who had created man, and who had endowed him with an immortal soul. In fact, Dr. de Rouge amplifies what the famous French Egyptologist Champollion wrote in 1839:

“The Egyptian religion is a pure monotheism, which manifested itself externally by a symbolic polytheism.”

M. Pierret, in his book The Egyptian Pantheon, adopts the view that the texts show us that the Egyptians believed in One Infinite and Eternal God who was without a second, and he repeats Champollion’s dictum. But the most ardent supporter of the monotheistic theory is Dr. Brugsch, who has collected a number of striking passages from the texts, one of which is The Egyptian Book of the Dead, the holy book of the ancient Egyptians. It was written circa 1500 BC, but historians say there are texts which are known to have existed in revised editions and to have been in use among the ancient Egyptians as early as 4500 BC, some 5,000 years before the advent of Christianity. A profound excerpt from one of the passages reads as follows:

“God is one and alone, and none other existeth with Him – God is the One, the One who hath made all things – God is a spirit, a hidden spirit, the spirit of spirits, the great spirit of the Egyptians, the Divine spirit – God is from the beginning, and He hath been from the beginning. He hath existed from old and was when nothing else had being. He existed when nothing else existed, and what existeth He created after He had come into being. He is the Father of beginnings – God is the Eternal One, He is eternal and infinite and endureth forever, and yes – God is hidden and no man knoweth His form. No man hath been able to seek out His likeness; He is hidden to the gods and men, and He is a mystery unto His creatures. No man knoweth how to know Him – His name remaineth hidden; His name is a mystery unto His children. His names are innumerable; they are manifold and none knoweth their number – God is truth and He feedeth thereon. He is the king of truth, and He hath established the Earth thereupon – God is life and through Him only man liveth. He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils – God is father and mother, the father of fathers and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of His own form and the fashioner of His own body - God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in numbers – God hath made the Universe, and He created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be. He is the Creator of the Heavens, and of the Earth, and of the deep, and of the water, and of the mountains. God hath stretched out the Heavens and founded the Earth – what His heart conceived straightway came to pass, and when He hath spoken, it cometh to pass and endureth forever – God is the father of the gods; He fashioned men and formed the gods – God is merciful unto those who reverence Him, and He heareth him that calleth upon Him. God knoweth him that acknowledges Him; He rewardeth him that serveth Him, and He protecteth him that followeth Him.”

("The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Papyrus of Ani," transliteration and translation by E.A. Wallis Budge, pp. xcii-xciii)

This profound passage, written thousands of years before the advent of Christianity, proves – beyond a doubt – that the ancient Egyptians of Africa believed in a self-existent God who was One Being; who created man and endowed him with an immortal soul...

I did say to be careful about using Khemetic archetypes right? Particuliarly when you are a Muslim

I want to quickly jump in and remind everyone of our forum rules. The particular one that states no personal attacks on another members character! QQ
If we are gonna to communicate with each other, lets do it effectively and efficiently.

Lets continue to converse in an informative way, and have an interesting conversation.

Just a reminder, Please continue!

Got your message and will refrain from the name calling..thank you for the pull up !

I did say to be careful about using Khemetic archetypes right? Particularly when you are a Muslim...Prophet Muhammad (saw) admonishes us to seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave...and to go in quest of knowledge even unto the edge of the earth...

Prophet Muhammad (saw) admonishes us to seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave...and to go in quest of knowledge even unto the edge of the earth...


I think it's a little disrespectful for you as a muslim to use a traditional African religious archetpye, while having no spiritual connection to it.

How would you like a non-muslim using a sacred symbol from Islam the way you've used the God Amun?

I think it's a little disrespectful for you as a Muslim to use a traditional African religious archetpye...I am aghast in stupefaction at the absurdity of this statement...btw, the correct spelling is "archetype."

...while having no spiritual connection to it.First of all let me say that I have a spiritual connection to truth. Secondly, do you have to have a spiritual connection to any belief system before you can study it? The Essene Scrolls reveal Prophet Isa (Jesus) to have been a wide traveler and a great teacher who was well-versed in the religious knowledge and cultures of ancient Egypt, Persia, India, Greece and Rome. Do you think he had a "spiritual connection" to Greece and Rome?

How would you like a non-Muslim using a sacred symbol from Islam the way you've used the God Amun?Your obnoxious query is both a non sequitur and a falsehood, for there are no "sacred symbols" in Islam...

I am aghast in stupefaction at the absurdity of this statement...btw, the correct spelling is "archetype."

Do you have to have a spiritual connection to any belief system before you can study it? The Essene Scrolls reveal Prophet Isa (Jesus) to have been a wide traveler and a great teacher who was well-versed in the religious knowledge and cultures of ancient Egypt, Persia, India, Greece and Rome. Do you think he had a "spiritual connection" to Greece and Rome?

Your obnoxious query is both a non sequitur and a falsehood, for there are no "sacred symbols" in Islam...

This is your way of trying to weasel out of owning up to the fact that you look at the religion of others as some sort of excursion straight out of national geographic.

Ok, ARCHETPYE, feel better now? the point is you know what the word means. You duck and hide from the point I made about my beliefs because you don't have the heart to admit you are wrong.

Your so called Jesus was an Initiate at Annu, not On. Moreover the religion of Greece and Rome is based on what is taught in Khemet. All of these nations sent "pupils" to khemit to become initiates. Your Jesus taught what he learned at the feet of African Sages. Just like many ancient Greeks, Romans and Persians. All these nations developed a religion based on the African one.

You have been "studying" Khemet for many years but your intention is not embrace it. You have no intention of being a part of any African religion. Stop kidding yourself. You're ignorant about African religions. What does it matter if you quote over and over what some "Egyptologist" says, I told you that you cannot overstand the religion unless you are a part of it. Does that register with you?

The most sacred teachings taught to initiates are never put to writing, this is why your argument about studying a religion to make a connection is so ridiculous. Once again, you can not make a spiritual connection to the AFrican God and AFrican ancestors by reading a little book. This is the quintessential difference between western religions and African ones. You connect with your God and Ancestors through ritual libation, sacrifice, invokation and veneration. How simple do I have to make this to you?

Why is it so hard to understand that the NeTeR you use, Amen, is sacred to many Africans? No African Initiate in their right mind would use a symbol of another religion they did not adhere to. One can not recognize two Gods at once. But I think you do, because in affect this is what you are doing by using Amen as your avatar.

Question for you, do you have an altar Amun in your house Aqil, or any other Egyptian NeTeR for that matter?

But you don't have the guts to answer my questions directly, you'll just weasel out of it by claiming they don't apply. But I'm not suprised. Your religion has never been a friend to the Traditional African one.

Keita and Ifasehun were absolutely right about you, for all your talk and pseudo-knowledge about khemet, the fact is you want nothing to do with it's religion. You may as well be honest and just say you want to study Africa like a subject in grade school.

This is your way of trying to weasel out of owning up to the fact that you look at the religion of others as some sort of excursion straight out of national geographic.You have proffered another falsehood, son...furthermore, you cannot prove a word of this...

Ok, ARCHETPYE, feel better now?No I don't. Try again! :nightowl:

...the point is you know what the word means. You duck and hide from the point I made about my beliefs because you don't have the heart to admit you are wrong.I'd be lying if I did...

Your so called Jesus was an Initiate at Annu, not On.Who said Jesus was an Initiate at On? I stated that Amun was the chief deity of Auset, and that Re was the chief deity of On, and that these deities were integrated under the name Amun-Re...

Moreover the religion of Greece and Rome is based on what is taught in Khemet. All of these nations sent "pupils" to khemit to become initiates. Your Jesus taught what he learned at the feet of African Sages. Just like many ancient Greeks, Romans and Persians. All these nations developed a religion based on the African one.Point well taken, my brother...however, I was mainly referring to the cultures of these countries...and to refer to Jesus as "your Jesus" is utter nonsense...

You have been "studying" Khemet for many years but your intention is not embrace it. You have no intention of being a part of any African religion.Islam is an African religion...

Stop kidding yourself. You're ignorant about African religions.It is you who is beginning to sound funny...

What does it matter if you quote over and over what some "Egyptologist" says, I told you that you cannot overstand the religion unless you are a part of it. Does that register with you? No...and who are you to tell me what I can or cannot overstand?

The most sacred teachings taught to initiates are never put to writing...What is the source of your information?

...this is why your argument about studying a religion to make a connection is so ridiculous.What is really ridiculous is this statement, because I haven't presented any argument about studying a religion in order to make some kind of "connection." I told you that I have a spiritual connection with TRUTH, period...

Once again, you can not make a spiritual connection to the AFrican God and AFrican ancestors by reading a little book.What "little book" told you this?

This is the quintessential difference between western religions and African ones. You connect with your God and Ancestors through ritual libation, sacrifice, invokation and veneration. How simple do I have to make this to you?The correct spelling is "invocation"...and I do understand ritual libations and the veneration of the gods, but tell me, what have you invocated or sacrificed?

Why is it so hard to understand that the NeTeR you use, Amen, is sacred to many Africans?What is the source of your information?

No African Initiate in their right mind would use a symbol of another religion they did not adhere to. One can not recognize two Gods at once. But I think you do, because in affect this is what you are doing by using Amen as your avatar. I chose the avatar because I liked it...

Question for you, do you have an altar Amun in your house Aqil, or any other Egyptian NeTeR for that matter?No I don't...do you?

But you don't have the guts to answer my questions directly, you'll just weasel out of it by claiming they don't apply.What questions do I need "guts" to answer?...:laugh:

But I'm not suprised. Your religion has never been a friend to the Traditional African one.My religion is a tradition African one...:) And btw, the correct spelling is "surprised."

Keita and Ifasehun were absolutely right about you, for all your talk and pseudo-knowledge about khemet, the fact is you want nothing to do with it's religion.Like all of you, I have found Kemetic eschatology quite fascinating!

You may as well be honest and just say you want to study Africa like a subject in grade school.Come, come now Sekhemu...if you call that being honest, then you're being quite dishonest...:D

You have proffered another falsehood, son...furthermore, you cannot prove a word of this...

No I don't. Try again! :nightowl:

I'd be lying if I did...

Who said Jesus was an Initiate at On? I stated that Amun was the chief deity of Auset, and that Re was the chief deity of On, and that these deities were integrated under the name Amun-Re...

Point well taken, my brother...however, I was mainly referring to the cultures of these countries...and to refer to Jesus as "your Jesus" is utter nonsense...

Islam is an African religion...

It is you who is beginning to sound funny...

No...and who are you to tell me what I can or cannot overstand?

What is the source of your information?

What is really ridiculous is this statement, because I haven't presented any argument about studying a religion in order to make some kind of "connection." I told you that I have a spiritual connection with TRUTH, period...

What "little book" told you this?

The correct spelling is "invocation"...and I do understand ritual libations and the veneration of the gods, but tell me, what have you invocated or sacrificed?

What is the source of your information?

I chose the avatar because I liked it...

No I don't...do you?

What questions do I need "guts" to answer?...:laugh:

My religion is a tradition African one...:) And btw, the correct spelling is "surprised."

Like all of you, I have found Kemetic eschatology quite fascinating!

Come, come now Sekhemu...if you call that being honest, then you're being quite dishonest...:D

you don't read well do you, I told you I was an initiate into traditional african belief systems. Which means I sacrifice, Invokation, not invocation, libation et al, Have you ever done any of this, or even been to a ritual. If you haven't then you do not overstand this religion.

I cannot overstand what it means to be a Dr, if I haven't been to Medical School, the same holds true of overstanding traditional african religion. This is why you do not know why sacred knowledge is not written down. Because you are out of the loop. You can read all the little books you like but you will never be taught this knowledge. I have the experience, you do NOT.

Islam is not a traditional african religion, it did not have it's origins in Africa, so please stop stretching the truth. How ridiculous is that. If Islam was an african religion why did arabs bring it to AFrica. Stop lying man

Ifasehun, Keita and Myself don't view African Religion as some fascination like you do. This is an integral part of my existence and well being here on earth, along with the well being of those who passed before me.

Your Jesus was a student at Annu. Who cares if you believe it or not. I could give you the proof but at this point what's the point.

Keita is right, you are no different than the Jew, Arab or cracka looking at African religions from outside. Your God is not the African God, but that of the arab

BTW you have confused Auset with Waset, Waset is the khemetic name for Karnak and luxor, Shows how much you know about a religion you have no part of. How can you be connected to a religion and not venerate it's God(s)? answer that please, since you know it all?

There is only one God, my brother...the Creator of the Universe and All That is Contained Therein...

Ma Salaam.

Alaafia all again i am new here, but as i study, who we are I find that Ifa/Yoruba is our path as African people In which the name of the Creator is Odulamare

Peace Kwaku

BTW you have confused Auset with Waset, Waset is the khemetic name for Karnak and luxor, Shows how much you know about a religion you have no part of. How can you be connected to a religion and not venerate it's God(s)? answer that please, since you know it all?You're being facetious, my brother...only God knows everything...you know that. It is my overstanding that the Greeks gave their name “Thebes” to a city the Egyptians called “Auset.” The Greek word for head is “thebes,” and the Greeks changed the name of Auset (pronounced “wa-set”) - the ancient Egyptian capital and center of learning - to Thebes (head is the same as capital in Greek). The great city of Auset was the capital of Egypt, and the home of their great god Amun-Re. Auset translates “Isis,” the goddess wife of Osiris, the greatest of all Egyptian deities...

Ma Salaam.

Here we go again my SO CALLED BROTHER AND BLACK MAN WHO CAN'T SEE FOR BEING BLINDED BY FOREIGN CONCEPTS AND DEFINITIONS.

1. WHAT YOU REFER TO AS WASET WAS NOT CALLED THAT IN OUR ANCESTORS LANGUAGE IN ANCIENT TIMES !!! PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, AND YOU CAN DO THAT WHEN YOU LEAVE THOSE FAKE EGYPTOLOGIST ALONE. (OUR ANCESTORS CALLED THE PLACE "NIWT" which literally meant (the city).

2. Waset did not become prominent in written records and as the political center until the middle kingdom.

3. Since foreigners had such a problem PRONOUNCING ANYTHING THEY HEARD CONCERNING OUR PEOPLE, THE GREEKS ORIGINALLY CALLED IT "THEBAI" AFTER ONE OF ITS KEMETIC NAMES "TAPET". It is from "Thebai" that you later get the name "Thebes".

4. What you call Waset was not the Holy city at all.

5. What I am most curious about is this: "HOW ARE YOU TREATING OSIRIS, IS IT AS A PERSON OR A DIETY OR MYTH? CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM HERE SOMEWHERE. NOT ONLY IN YOUR HIS-STORY BUT IN YOUR ATTEMPT TO TRANSMIT INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE NOT RESEARCHED COMPLETLY.

From http://ancientworlds.net/aw/Places/Place/324979

As with other Egyptian cities, Waset was considered by its inhabitants first and foremost a temple founded on the primeval mound of creation. It was the divine dwelling place of the god Amun, and because of this, its citizens had a special relationship with their city and the place of their birth. It was their home, the place they aspired to return to and the place in which they wished to be buried.

As a town, Waset seems to have emerged from obscurity during the Old Kingdom, which makes its history relatively recent in comparison to older cities like Abu. It gained prominence when the rulers of the XIth Dynasty adopted Waset as their base and administrative center. It would be the rulers of the succeeding dynasty who established Waset as the capital of Upper Egypt. The city reached its apogee in the New Kingdom and, although no longer Egypt's capital, the city retained political and religious significance thereafter. It was not until the Late Period that the city's importance declined.

Royal burials on Waset's west bank began to occur in the XIth Dynasty, culminating in the royal necropolises of the New Kingdom period. The west bank is home to the gravesites of ruler, offical and workman alike. The Valley of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens saw the burials of rulers such as Ramesses II, Merenptah, Tiye, Ay, Seti I and Horemheb. The private tombs of Yuya and Thuyu, Bay and others are also located on the west bank, along with the Deir el-Medina workers' necropolis. Mortuary temples abound - one of the most famous being that of Hatshepsut at Deir el-Bahri. Palaces were also constructed on the west bank, the most notable of which was Amenhotep III's residential palace at Malkata.

Waset is also home to Karnak or jpt-swt,"the most select of places," a temple complex dedicated to the cultus of Amun-Re. Two kilometers distant and dedicated to the divine triad of Amun, Mut and Khons, the temple complex of Luxor - known at the time as the "Southern Harem," together with Karnak - provided one of the reasons for the city's importance. Using the vehicle of Amun's visit to his wife Mut, who it was believed resided in Luxor, the yearly sacred "Festival of Opet" - begun in Karnak and culminating in Luxor - would see the deified king re-emerge from the brink of chaos, rebirthed as the son of Amun-Re, a symbolic gesture that ascribed divine status on the king and, because of it, ensured the continued existence and heka of the Egyptian state.

Sources:

Ian Shaw and Paul Nicholson, The British Museum Dictionary of Ancient Egypt, The British Museum Press, 1995, London.

Lanny Bell, The New Kingdom Divine Temple: The Example of Luxor, ed. Byron E. Shafer, Cornell University Press, 1997.

Rosalie David, The Ancient Egyptians ~ Beliefs and Practices, Sussex Academic Press, 1998.

Jan Assmann, The Search for God in Ancient Egypt, Cornell University Press, 2001.

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Do you have any documentation that validates and/or supports your position?

Because you already under and overstand that if i stated what I said, that I for sure did not use any rinky dink historians or scholars for my verification, my answer is simply this; Leave those crackers alone and get into some serious research.

Not only that, but you never answered my question concerning Osisris...is he myth or real? A deity or attribute of something else? Is this important? Sure it is...cause unless a persons' foundation is correct, the house can not stand.

You didn't answer my question...and btw, the ability and capability of a man cannot be determined by the amount of noise he makes, but what he does in silence…

Shalom,

The topic is the name of god, and i do not know what god you are referring to, however i will comment on the most notorious , god of the hebrews, of abraham, isaac, and jacob..

YHWH (Yod Hey Wav Hey) Yahweh

B'shalom,

DY

Hello Deborah_Yisrael! :wave:

Welcome to Destee's, Sister! Looking forward to reading more from you! Don't be shy now, come and share your knowledge with us! :jumping: :jumping:

Again, WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME!!!!

This is the quintessential difference between western religions and African ones. You connect with your God and Ancestors through ritual libation, sacrifice, invokation and veneration...The correct spelling is "invocation"...and I do understand ritual libations and the veneration of the gods, but tell me, what have you invocated or sacrificed?I told you I was an initiate into traditional african belief systems, which means I sacrifice, invokation, (not "invocation"), libation, et al.We were both incorrect here...my question to you should have read: "What have you invoked?" And since there is no such word as "invokation," your sentence should have read: "which means I sacrifice, invoke"...

The topic is the name of god, and i do not know what god you are referring to...Shalom, Deborah_yisrael. First of all let me say that there is only one God, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and All That is Contained Therein. Secondly, Allah (swt) is the name of the Supreme Being Who is the Sole Possessor of all perfect attributes and is completely free from all conceivable defects. He is the unique God, without partner, incomparable, the only necessary Being, the only absolute Reality, self-subsisting, self-sufficient, the Highest, the Sublime, the Magnificent, the Praiseworthy, the Holy, the Living, the Eternal, the Creator, the Almighty, the Judge, the Benefactor, the Clement, the Guardian, the Protector, the Just, the Gentle, the Compassionate, the First and the Last, the Apparent and the Hidden, the One by whom all live and to whom all return...

Shalom Aleichem.

peace,

Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm & Head.............

I have a ? though brotha Aqil! Was not Allah translated, or rather derived from the family Idol of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) whose name was ALLAT & existed long b4 Muhammad? & thus, when Muhammad destroyed the idols did he not choose his family idol of ALLAT & change it to ALLAH (the one GOD) & make Al-Uzza and Manat "the daughters of ALLAH" to keep the other family's from protesting as he had destroyed the other family idols that had been worshipped for so long?

peace..............

Peace info-moetry:

The chief goddess of pre-Islamic times in that area were Al-'Uzza, Allat, and Manat, along with a few lesser ones (Holy Qur'an, suras 22, 29 and 53).

It has been suggested by other researchers that Al-'Uzza was the goddess involved at Petra, Jordan. The eminent Prof. C. Ryckmans saw Al-'Uzza as universally worshipped by Arabs. Yet, as Prof. Thomine Sourdel of Cambridge points out, she is rarely mentioned and was ultimately confused - in regard to aspects - with Allat.

Germany's Jean Starcky, in discussing the Nabataean pantheon, notes the appearance of "sometimes" Allat, "sometimes" Al-'Uzza, which, in effect, indicated confusion. Although mentioned in the Bosra inscription as a titular deity of the city, and although her cult continued at Mecca until the coming of Islam, Al-'Uzza does not appear to have emerged very strongly within the Nabataean pantheon, nor to have attracted much in the way of syncretistic attributes or aspects.

Al-'Uzza (i.e., "the most mighty") had her cult in Nakhlah, Yemen, which is east of Mecca. According to Al-Kalbi, hers was the most venerated idol among the Quraish, and Muhammad, as a young man, offered her a sacrifice. Her sanctuary consisted of three trees. Human sacrifice characterized her cult. She was the Lady 'Uzzay-an to whom an Arabian offered a golden image on behalf of his sick daughter, Amat-'Uzzay-an (the maid of al-'Uzza). 'Abd-al-'Uzza was a favorite proper name at the rise of Islam...

(See History of the Arabs by Philip K. Hiti)

Do you also post under the name "alkebulan"?

How could there be a proper name of God, when every culture has there own God?

There is one proper name of God for all the people on this planet...THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE...

I understand your point however. Some people around the world believe the Creator being actually two sides of one whole. Meaning God/Goddess.

But your point is well taken

Everything in the Universe proceeds from something and is succeeded by something. That something is God, which precedes and succeeds everything. God is – when nothing else is, and God was – when nothing else was...

Goddess worship is a general description for the veneration of a female goddess or goddesses. Many new-age goddess devotees prefer the term "goddess spirituality," avoiding the term "worship" for a faith that does not distance the Divine into a remote, hierarchical separation. "Goddess veneration" may be also used instead of "worship," as it can imply respect and intimacy without undue deference. In such contexts, "spirituality" is often preferred to "religion," because major organized religions have not typically nurtured goddess worship, with the major exception of Hinduism.

Goddess worship can be conservative, supporting male dominance, state control, and empire building; or it can be radical, challenging those traditions. It can support women's authority. In Western society goddess worship has developed into a distinct culture since the mid-19th century. Goddess worship is not necessarily feminist, though in Western societies the feminist version is probably the most articulate.

Pagan and neo-pagan religions or denominations generally recognize goddess worship as one of their few areas of consensus. However, not all goddess worship is pagan. The female deity may be referred to in all-inclusive terms, such as "The Great Goddess" or "The Queen of Heaven," or she may be referred to in more specific terms, such as "Kali," "Isis," or "Kwan Yin."

Some authors believe goddess worship started in prehistoric times. They believe that artifacts from that period - such as the "Venus of Willendorf" - may be representations of fertility goddesses. However, it is difficult to prove the role of these artifacts conclusively, as evidence surrounding their place in their society is scanty. Scholars such as Peter Ucko have asserted that the figurines in question were images of priestesses rather than goddesses...

Everything in the Universe proceeds from something and is succeeded by something. That something is God, which precedes and succeeds everything. God is – when nothing else is, and God was – when nothing else was...

Goddess worship is a general description for the veneration of a female goddess or goddesses. Many new-age goddess devotees prefer the term "goddess spirituality," avoiding the term "worship" for a faith that does not distance the Divine into a remote, hierarchical separation. "Goddess veneration" may be also used instead of "worship," as it can imply respect and intimacy without undue deference. In such contexts, "spirituality" is often preferred to "religion," because major organized religions have not typically nurtured goddess worship, with the major exception of Hinduism.

Goddess worship can be conservative, supporting male dominance, state control, and empire building; or it can be radical, challenging those traditions. It can support women's authority. In Western society goddess worship has developed into a distinct culture since the mid-19th century. Goddess worship is not necessarily feminist, though in Western societies the feminist version is probably the most articulate.

Pagan and neo-pagan religions or denominations generally recognize goddess worship as one of their few areas of consensus. However, not all goddess worship is pagan. The female deity may be referred to in all-inclusive terms, such as "The Great Goddess" or "The Queen of Heaven," or she may be referred to in more specific terms, such as "Kali," "Isis," or "Kwan Yin."

Some authors believe goddess worship started in prehistoric times. They believe that artifacts from that period - such as the "Venus of Willendorf" - may be representations of fertility goddesses. However, it is difficult to prove the role of these artifacts conclusively, as evidence surrounding their place in their society is scanty. Scholars such as Peter Ucko have asserted that the figurines in question were images of priestesses rather than goddesses...


Ok, we're quite aware of this, was there a point you were making here?

Peace info-moetry:

The chief goddess of pre-Islamic times in that area were Al-'Uzza, Allat, and Manat, along with a few lesser ones (Holy Qur'an, suras 22, 29 and 53).

It has been suggested by other researchers that Al-'Uzza was the goddess involved at Petra, Jordan. The eminent Prof. C. Ryckmans saw Al-'Uzza as universally worshipped by Arabs. Yet, as Prof. Thomine Sourdel of Cambridge points out, she is rarely mentioned and was ultimately confused - in regard to aspects - with Allat.

Germany's Jean Starcky, in discussing the Nabataean pantheon, notes the appearance of "sometimes" Allat, "sometimes" Al-'Uzza, which, in effect, indicated confusion. Although mentioned in the Bosra inscription as a titular deity of the city, and although her cult continued at Mecca until the coming of Islam, Al-'Uzza does not appear to have emerged very strongly within the Nabataean pantheon, nor to have attracted much in the way of syncretistic attributes or aspects.

Al-'Uzza (i.e., "the most mighty") had her cult in Nakhlah, Yemen, which is east of Mecca. According to Al-Kalbi, hers was the most venerated idol among the Quraish, and Muhammad, as a young man, offered her a sacrifice. Her sanctuary consisted of three trees. Human sacrifice characterized her cult. She was the Lady 'Uzzay-an to whom an Arabian offered a golden image on behalf of his sick daughter, Amat-'Uzzay-an (the maid of al-'Uzza). 'Abd-al-'Uzza was a favorite proper name at the rise of Islam...

(See History of the Arabs by Philip K. Hiti)

Do you also post under the name "alkebulan"?

No brotha, I do not..........I only post as myself Info-Moetry (I'm curious as to why u ask though)

as 4 my ? earlier, from your response above it is not conclusive whether u are agreeing that ALLAH is derived from ALLAT or it is not.....

please clarify further for me!

peace

Many linguists believe that the term "Allah" is derived from a contraction of the Arabic words "al" (the) + "ilah" (male deity). In addition, one of the main pagan goddesses of pre-Islamic Arabia, "Allat" (al + ilah + at, or "the female deity"), is cited as being etymologically (though not synchronically) the feminine linguistic counterpart to the grammatically masculine "Allah."

(Re: my query...similar writing styles.)

peace,

no sir, I don't believe u overstood my ? or maybe I didn't present it properly, excuse me.

I asked what is YOUR position on this matter?

peace my brotha!

I have very little knowledge of the pre-Islamic times...therefore the ? as to my thinking on whether or not the word "Allah" comes from the word "Allat" - or vice versa - becomes, imho, an insignificant inconsequential...

If someone were to ask , why Yahuwa El Eloh , El Khalug . he who is the source , The Creator is one . He or she migh answer that if there were creators , Aluhum , or Allahuma for this incident on earth . One could not always design his creation like the other . Neither would they go by the same principle . So we have a creator from many creators , 24 in the garden in Eden. 12 agreeable 12 disagreeable , give you will . El Eloh from the aluhum . In order for one to preside over it , they would be necessary for the other to perish . In this state , or step down to his or her leadership making him a supreme .


Al Malik , the king , or Al Malik , I , Mulki , the king of king , The angel over all angels . He who appointed the 7 arch angelic beings , the Al Malaaikat or Malakuwt , He El Eloh is a being as Anu . He Is Allahu Al Aziym to the Muslims , Anu . the supreme , the supreme being . The will of one or the other must manifest the wishes of both or of neither one would not be possible .And this would be a sign of frustration . And obviously he or she who is responsible for the intricate creation of all things of this cycle of refilling and replenishing the earth isbeyond frustration .


And alone in his power , as Yahuwa or Y.H.W.H. one of the Yawehans , a aluhum . Only The All is the absolute . And all creations are in THE ALL . Your Anu , Rab , Jesus , Horus , Tammuz , Yahweh , Jehovah , God , Dios , Buddah , Confucius , Brahma , Shiva , Brahma , Vishnu , Thehos , Tammuz , Baal , Adonia . Om , Osiris , And All The Others , Are In THE ALL . As it stand , the universe is a very measured place ; Where every thing fits within its particular pattern ,


And in the design of all things is an obvious unity ; that could not be possible if be more than one creator took responsibility for all creation . Each creator is assigned by The All , to be the one creator , or creators with one head as the angel's with one deity about them all .For there is life beyond earth . And new forms being discovered every day .

So you Muslims say in the second chapter of El's Quraan / Koran 2;87 , originally chapter 87 , the 163rd verse ; And Ilaahumkum ( your El / Allah Source ' is waahidun ' one Ilaahun ( El / Allah ' source ' . No Ilaaha ( Allah / El soure ' would exist if be ( Hu -the Creative force of Will , didn't create him ; Huwa is Al Rahmaan '' The Yielder ' Al Rabiym The Merciful ;

Don't make for him any partner .You say you shall have no other .gods before me ( El's Torah to Mosheh , also called Mose , Exodus 20;3 ) . You are to have no Akhair = other Eloheem except me . I Am a jealous God ( El Torah to . Mosheh also called Moses , Exodus 34;14 ) . For you will ' Shawkhaw = prostrate to no Akhair = other ' El For a Yahuwa ( a Yahuwa not the Yahuwa ) . who is Qawnaw = jealous ' for his name is Qawnaw = jealous El ;

That Means There Is More Then One . And You're Not To Use But One . If you are a Muslim you use Anu or Rab .

If you are a Hebrew or Israelite or Jew you use Yahweh or Aluhum or Adonai or Ha-shem .

And if you are a Buddhist you use Buddah .

But if you're one deity , yet all are in The All .

Therefore , All sincere spiritual and righteous people know , with strong conviction , that the creator is power , has no associates in that power . So he is called the most powerful , themost merciful , the most gracious .

To Be The Most Of AnyThing Means Their Other Anu is Akbar , Or As They Say The Greatest . ( Then He Is Greater Than Others Like Himself ) .

EveryThing inside of The All is a sevant . Has No equal , no consorts , & no partners .

Because All Is In The All . You Can't Take From It , And You Can't Add To It . The All Has Neither Beginning Nor End . ( The All Is ) . The All Has Always Existed And Will Exist . Because The All Is Outside Of Existance . All Exists In The All , The Out Is Outside Time , For Time Exist In The All , The All Did Not Begin . The All Can Not End ,

Anu is the beginning , Al Awul, And Anu is the ending , El Aakhur = The Alpha and the Omega . ( IF YOU ARE THE BEGINNING , YOU HAVE A BEGINNING , IF YOU ARE THE ENDING THEN YOU HAVE AN ENDING ) .

The All Is Without Beginning Or Ending .
The originator of things we see and do not see . The breath that sustains all creation presence in All . El Eloh , Anu , The Most High is the only reality , And he too is in The All . EveryThing else is mere illusion . '' He is one ' , he is The One . El Ahud , has been the cry of every news bearers ( prophet ) . For an Enosite had the tendency to stray from El Eloh . The Most High'd guidance our heavenly father , and seek the protection of those which could neither help nor harm him .

The appointed one who appointed and anointed Tammuz , who is Horus , And Yashua , ( Jesus ) . In the depth of ignorance and backwardness , people sought help from object made by their own hands . Khum , creator of the Ka which yields the ba and Akh . An Enosite wanted to reduce the creator to his or her own level . But how could an object or an enosite be responsible for all of creation ? So to assert that as anosite was responsible .Or that the universe accidentally came into being . This thrives on the absence of logic , and the abundance of ignorance . The Aluhum by permission of El Eloh The Most High The Fashioner gave an electric charge to the protons and elections.

He designed the minute solar systern of the atom like the one in which we live , Seven six trillion years ago Gave light its speed , ( 186.272 ) feet per second . Put a barrier around sound 1100 feet per second . Blessed the golden sun Ra with enough mass to create the gravitation that keep the heavenly bodies of his solar system orbiting properly . El Eloh , The Most High In The Fashioner . There's a reason why 75% percent of the planet Earth and 70% of the human body consist of water . The Creator put that balance there , can you begin to overStand it .


When the oceans of the world a;;come rushing towards the shore . Who synchronizes it ? If the world water were to cease moving how would the fish breath e ? El Eloh - The fashioner started the water moving and it has yet to stop on it journey home . water always moving towards larger masses of water . I could tell you something that would be real facinating but it's very simple .
One thing that's unique . Let me tell you something unique about water . Water is a symbol of personification . It is in the atmosphere you don't see it's vapor . To a liquid , To a solid , To ice , To hot ice , To a gas , Ask yourself what makes up water ? You're trying to think of an answer , In order to look like you know something . You forgot , I said I want to tell you something , See it's the obvious . The obvious abstract .


Water is a symbol of personifcation . its unseen , You don't see it . Then there's vapor , steam , condensation , over frozen hot ice . Where did it come from . And where is it going ? The mystery of water is that its always going home , to water ! Water never stays anyWhere water is not . If I put it on the ground it will evaporate or seep into the ground . Seeking out or seeping . It is always going home to water It is pumping out of a source , LQQking for the source of water . LQQk at it in a test tube . Leave it for 100 years . It will constantly be on the move . But it will eventually go back home to water .


The molecule turned inside out . Thus the restless soul of a human being is 3/4 water . Your brain , the blood the breathing . The digestive system , the circulatory system , The respiratory system , urine light , pulse , blood , This is the restlessness of the human being . You see , there's only one real thing in existence , change ! The only thing constantly changing is water . And where is the home of water ? I told you at the beginning home is the vicious cycle . Water is pumping out of a source LQQking for the source of water .

Issa, I appreciate you breaking some things down...but the fact is this: NO CHRISTIAN OR MUSLIM MOVING IN THE REALM OF BELIEF (NOT KNOWING) IS READY TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE FIRST PERSON ON THE PLANET WAS A BLACK WOMAN.

Even though I'm breaking all of this down in my Religious Conspiracy Against the Black Woman...the fact is that, for them to accept the reality that we are both speaking of means that they have to say that the Bible and Qu'ran done lied to them and they been living the lie as if it's the truth. That is a bit too much for them to swallow and still look themselves in the mirror and in their soul concerning "Are They Keeping It Real".

Back to the topic of my thread:

THE PROPER NAME OF GOD

"In the beginning"...opens Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament. The Holy Qur’an (Muslim Holy Book) agrees. It differs only in using the word "Allah," which is formed by joining the definite article "al" (meaning "the") with "Illah" (God). Literally, the word "Allah" means "the God." Not a god, for there is only one. The God...

Allah is the name of the Supreme Being Who is the Sole Possessor of all perfect attributes and is completely free from all conceivable defects. In the Arabic language, the word "Allah" is never used for any other thing or being. No other language has a distinctive or proper name for the Supreme Being. The names found in other languages are all attributive or descriptive, and are often used in the plural. But the word "Allah" is never used in the plural. It is a simple substantive, not derived, and is never used as a qualifying word.

In the absence of a parallel word in the English language, the original name "Allah" has been retained throughout the English translation of the Holy Qur’an. This view is corroborated by eminent authorities of the Arabic language. "Allah," according to the most correct of the opinions respecting it, is a proper name, applied to the Being who exists necessarily by Himself, comprising all the attributes of perfection – the "al" being inseparable from it.

Allah is the unique God, without partner, incomparable, the only necessary Being, the only absolute Reality, self-subsisting, self-sufficient, the Highest, the Sublime, the Magnificent, the Praiseworthy, the Holy, the Living, the Eternal, the Creator, the Almighty, the Judge, the Benefactor, the Clement, the Guardian, the Protector, the Just, the Gentle, the Compassionate, the First and the Last, the Apparent and the Hidden, the One by whom all live and to whom all return.

Islam is the proper name of the religion of Allah. Derived from the word "salam," which primarily means "peace" – but in a secondary sense "surrender" – its full connotation is: "The perfect peace that comes when one’s life is surrendered to God." The corresponding adjective is Muslim...

"La ilaha illa Allah" ("There is no God but The God") proclaims the Muslim, whose proper name is Allah...

SO IN ESSENCE, ALLAH IS NOT A NAME AT ALL. IT DEFINES A THING, AN IDEA, JUST AS THE CULTURAL TITLE "AMEN-RA DOES (THE HIDDEN OR CONCEALED). MORE ON THIS LATER.

Because a person's D.N.A. keeps getting mixed by the genes of the generational fathers , comparisons of the D.N.A. IN THE NUCLEUS OF THE CELL , WHICH COMES HALF FROM MOTHER , HALF FROM FATHER . DO NOT WORK WELL AFTER SEVERAL GENERATION .It was discovered ,that addition to the D.N.A. in the cell's nucleus , some D.N.A. exists in the mother's cell but outside the nucleus . in bodies called Mitochondria . This D.N.A. does not get mixed with the father's D.N.A. instead , it ispassed on unaltered from mother to daughters to granddaughter , and so on through the generation . Thus it is perfect to trace ancestral relations .


The discovery . by Douglas Wallace of Emory University in the Mitochondria of about 800 womens .The surprising conclusion , which he announced at a secientific conference in July 1986 A.D. was that the Mitochondria in all of them appeared to be so similar that these women must have all descended from a single female ancestor . The research was picked up by Wesley Brown of the University of Michigan . who suggested that by determining the rate of natural mutation of Mitochondria , the length of time that had pasted since this common ancestor was live could be calculated .Comparing the Mitochondria of 21 women from diverse geographical and racial backgrounds , he came to the conclusion that they owed their origin to '' single Mitochondria Eve '' who had lived in Africa between 300,000 and 180,000 years ago .


This led to the search for Eve .Rebecca Cann of the University of California at Berkeley . had obtained the placentas of 147 women of diffrent races and genographical backgrounds who gave birth as San Francisco hospitals .she extracted and compared their Mitochondria . The conclusion was that they all had a common female ancestor who had lived between 300,000 and150,000 years . The upper limit of 300.000 years paleo-anthroplogists noted , conincided with the fossil evidence for the time Homo Sapiens made his appearance. The Mitochondria D.N.A. is only given from the mother to daughter , themalespecies does not have any Mitochondria D.N.A. THIS IS JUST FURTHER PROOF THAT THE FIRST PERSON TO WALK ON THE PLANET WAS A FEMALE .

THIS IS A LESSON WE MUST ALL LEARN IN TERMS OF THE RELIGIOUS STORIES WE'VE BEEN GIVEN BY MEN, FOR MEN AND WITH A NEW MALE DEFINED CONCEPT OF OUR CREATOR AT THE EXPENSE OF THE WOMAN.

peace Brotha Aqil,

As u stated on the 26th "that u had no knowledge of pre-Islamic times, I wonder what has changed in a weeks time. May I ask where u got your response to the ? I posted as to the origin of the name Allah, which is really the Idol God ALLAT?

please explain for what u just posted concerning the name allah is the same post that made me ask u this ? in the first place.............

peace

Have you read History Of The Arabs by Philip K. Hitti?

Btw, you misquoted me. I did not say that I had NO knowledge of pre-Islamic times...

SO IN ESSENCE, ALLAH IS NOT A NAME AT ALL.Yes it is, Queen. Allah is the name of the Supreme Being Who is the Sole Possessor of all perfect attributes and is completely free from all conceivable defects...

Are you being honest with yourself and others in how you are looking at things in regard to what you state as being true?

I have very little knowledge of the pre-Islamic times...therefore the ? as to my thinking on whether or not the word "Allah" comes from the word "Allat" - or vice versa - becomes, imho, an insignificant inconsequential...

true indeed........u said u had very little knowledge which would leave one to believe you can't be sure if ALLAH is the proper name of God if u do not know of the idol ALLAT.........which I find rather disturbing for this can be found with very little research. It is mentioned in every writing when describing the Genesis of Muhammad's mission!


peace............

Yes it is, Queen. Allah is the name of the Supreme Being Who is the Sole Possessor of all perfect attributes and is completely free from all conceivable defects...

So does Allah have defects that we CAN"T perceive??

peace............

Back to the topic of my thread:

THE PROPER NAME OF GOD

"In the beginning"...opens Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament. The Holy Qur’an (Muslim Holy Book) agrees. It differs only in using the word "Allah," which is formed by joining the definite article "al" (meaning "the") with "Illah" (God). Literally, the word "Allah" means "the God." Not a god, for there is only one. The God..

This is your statement, right? So you tell me how you in your wisdom can say that "the God" is a name? Is that anything like, "the man"?...and we all know that "the man" is not a name anymore than "the God" is. You really must be joking or something.

Imagine this conversation among strangers; "Hi, what is your GODs' name that you worship?"

My Gods' name is "the God"...but because it is in Arabic we would say ALLAH which is translated as "the God"....and you REALLY BELIEVE THAT "THE GOD" QUALIFIES AS A NAME, HUH??? :-)

Have you read History Of The Arabs by Philip K. Hitti?

Btw, you misquoted me. I did not say that I had NO knowledge of pre-Islamic times...

who is Philip K. Hitti & of all the books and teachings on this subject why on Mother Earth would I read this one whose name sounds like he is down with the enemy....(please correct me if I'n wrong)

I've seen u quote many WHITE so-called scholars, even Germans during your threads and frankly I'm puzzled........ :thinking:

peace

History Of The Arabs, Philip K. Hitti, 1937, p 99-101) & Hitti was an Arabian Christian...........................(1886-1978)

The pagan Ka'bah, which became the Palladium of Islam, was an unpretentious cube-like (hence the name) building of primitive simplicity, originally roofless, serving as a shelter for a black meteorite which was venerated as a fetish. At the birth of Islam the structure was that rebuilt in 608 probably by an Abyssinian from the wreckage of a Byzantine or Abyssinian ship destroyed on the shore of the Red Sea. The usual sacred territory (haram) spread around it. Annual pilgrimages were made thither and special sacrifices offered.

Moslem tradition maintains that the Ka'bah was originally built by Adam according to a celestial prototype and after the Deluge rebuilt by Abraham and Islimael. Its custody remained in the hands of the descendants of Ishmael until the proud banu-Jurlium, and later the banu-Khuza'ah, who introduced idol worship, took possession of it. Then came the Quraysh, who continued the ancient Ishmaelite line. While engaged in the rebuilding Ishmael received from Gabriel the Black Stone, still set in the south-east corner of the structure, and was instructed in the ceremonies of the pilgrimage (hajj).

Allah (allah, al-ilah, the god) was the principal, though not the only, deity of Makkah. The name is an ancient one. It occurs in two South Arabic inscriptions, one a Minaean found at al-'Ula and the other a Sabaean, but abounds in the form HLH in the Lihyanite inscriptions of the fifth century- B.C. Lihyan, which evidently got the god from Syria, was the first Centre of the worship of this deity in Arabia. The name occurs as Hallah in the Safa inscriptions five centuries before Islam and also in a pre-Islamic Christian Arabic inscription found in umm-al-Jimal, Syria, and ascribed to the sixth century . The name of Muhammad's father was 'Abd-Allah ('Abdullah, the slave or worshipper of Allah). The esteem in which Allah was held by thepre-Islamic Makkans as the creator and supreme provider and the one to be invoked in time of special peril may be inferred from such koranic passages as 31 : 24, 31; 6 : 137, 109; to : 23. Evidently he was the tribal deity of the Quraysh.

Brotha have U read philip K. Hitti & History of the Arabs.....?

peace

What's interesting is that, out of the 360 idols and gods that they worshipped with Allah being the moon god at that time, what made them pick Allah over the others?

Brotha have U read philip K. Hitti & History of the Arabs?Yes I have. Here are a few paragraphs that appear right before the ones you quoted:

"Among the urban population of al-Hijaz, and only about seventeen per cent of the population was such, the astral stage of paganism was reached early. Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah, the three daughters of Allah, had their sanctuaries in the land which later became the cradle of Islam. In a weak moment the monotheistic Muhammad was tempted to recognize these powerful deities of Mecca and al-Medina and make a compromise in their favour, but afterwards he retracted and the revelation is said to have received the form now found in surah 53:19-20.

Later theologians explained the case according to the principle of nasikh and mansukh, abrogating and abrogated verses, by means of which God revokes and alters the announcements of His will; this results in the cancellation of a verse and the substitution of another for it (Qur'an 2:100). Al-Lat (from al-Ilahah, the goddess) had her sacred tracts (hima and haram) near al-Ta'if, whither the Meccans and others flocked for pilgrimage and sacrifice. Within such an enclosure no trees could be felled, no game hunted and no human blood shed. Animal and plant life therein partook of the inviolability of the deity there honoured. Of similar origin were the cities of refuge in Israel. Herodotus mentions this goddess under the name Alilat among the Nabataean deities.

Al-'Uzza (the most mighty, Venus, the morning star) had her cult in Nakhlah east of Makkah. According to al-Kalbi, hers was the most venerated idol among the Quraysh, and Muhammad, as a young man offered her a sacrifice. Her sanctuary consisted of three trees. Human sacrifice characterized her cult. She was the 'Lady 'Uzzayan' to whom a South Arabian offered a golden image on behalf of his sick daughter, Amat-'Uzzayan (the maid of al-'Uzza). 'Abd-al-'Uzza was a favourite proper name at the rise of Islam.

Manah (from maniyah, allotted fate) was the goddess of destiny' and as such represented an earlier phase of religious life. Her main sanctuary consisted of a black stone in Qudayd on the road between Mecca and Yathrib (later al-Medina), and she was especially popular with the Aws and the Khazraj, who rallied to the support of the Prophet on his fateful Hijrah from Mecca. As an independent deity, her name, associated with dhul-Shara, appears in the Nabataean inscriptions of al-Hijr. To the present day Arab