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07-27-2001, 10:13 AM
Were parts of Jesus Biography taken from a Greek Play?
By Andre Austin
400 years before Jesus was born Euripides (400bc) wrote a play called Bacchae. Quoted below are works from the play that was incorporated into the New Testament in 100Ad. The plagiarism is astounding.
Allow me to begin my essay by quoting from John G. Jackson book Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth “The sacrificed Jesus, or Joshua [ancient hebrew sun-god, according to Robertson and Rylands, was not a historical personage, but a character in a mystery Play” p. 24
In the Greek play of Euripides Pentheus is a king. Jesus was mocked as a king. Both deaths are associated with a tree According to a letter Peter wrote in the New Testament Jesus died on a tree. The second book of Peter specifically says Jesus was killed on a tree. Both are stabbed with swords. When John baptized Jesus, the description before and after the event uses the same 4 elements vocabulary in Euripides play. Furthermore, Herodotus in Book 2:81 of his Histories affirms that Bacchae ceremonies were of Egyptian origins. I shall quote excerpted pieces from Euripides play.
“O Dionysus chant the choral hymn to thee
Blest above all of human line,
Who, deep in mystic rites divine
Lead his hallowed life with us,
Initiate in our Thyasus;
And purified with holiest waters…
Man’s primal need, Demeter, the boon Goddess
(Or rather will ye call her mother Earth?
When they quaff the vines rich stream…
When Jove had snatched him from the lightning –fire
He to Olympus bore the newborn babe.
Stern here strove to thrust him out of heaven
But Jove encountered her wiles divine:
He clove off part of the earth-encircling air.p11
Thou the child of Jove didst lave…
Lo! To Thebes I thus proclaim,
‘Twice born!’ thus thy mystic name… p.20 [Jesus was born 2 times]
Dionysus, shouted loud ‘Behold! I bring,
O maidens, him that you and me our rites,
Our orgies laughed to scorn; now take your vengeance’.
And as he spake, a light of holy fire
Stood up, and straight blazed from earth up to heaven
Silent the air, silent the verdant grove…
But when Cadmus daughters
Heard manifest the god’s awakening voice,
Forth rushed they, fleeter than the winged dove
Their nimble feet quick coursing up and down…
The oaken boughs by lightning as struck off…pp41-42
The beast that rides thereon. He will ne’er betray
The mysteries of our god.”
After Jesus is baptized “The spirit of god descending like a dove and lightning on him and a voice from heaven said” Matthew 3:16-17. Why is it so that in Euripides play a voice from god is heard then doves and lightning appear? The only difference is that Gods voice in the play of Matthew come after the doves and lightning. The New Testament also admitted the use of the magical four elements were connected with Jesus via of the supreme God. See 1John 5:8 “And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: [fire?] And these three agree in one”.
The New Testament
Matthew 3:11-16 states in part:
11. I indeed baptize you with water unto
Repentance: but he that cometh after me is
Mightier than I, whose shoe I’am not worthy
To bear: he shall baptize you with the holy
Ghost, (spirit or air) and with fire…
16.And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up
Straightway out of the water: and lo, the
Heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the
Spirit (or Air) of god descending likes a dove (bird)
And lighting (fire) upon him. And a voice from heaven,
Saying…
Now that we know that Jesus emerging under water was an Egyptian ritual. I’ve been curious as to what the ritual meant. According to Plutarch coming out of the water represented “a phallic {penis} nature, they expose and carry about a statue of which the male member is triple…is used by the early writers in its strict meaning; for the nature of moisture, being the source and origin of all things, created out of itself three primal material substances, earth, air and fire. In fact, the tale that is annexed to the legend to the effect that Typhon (Seth) cast the male member of Osiris into the river. Plutarch also talks about a ceremony among the Egyptians that gives striking parallels to the above Matthew 3:11-16 quote. Plutarch says: “On the nineteenth day they go down to the sea at nighttime; and the keepers of the robes and the priests bring forth the sacred chest containing a small golden coffer, into which they pour some potable water which they have taken up, and a great shout arises from the company for joy that Osiris is found. Then they knead some fertile soil with water and mix in spices and incense of a very costly sort, and fashion there from a crescent-shaped figure, which they clothe and adorn, thus indicating that they regard these gods as the substance of earth and water”. This was the story of the life of Jesus put into fast-forward. As we know gifts of incense were given to Jesus at his birth and his later baptism and Resurrection would come later in his life was the same process of Osiris
Even the name of Euripides victim to be killed is almost the same as Jesus. If you take the fist five letters away from Pentheus you are left with eus. The end of his name is similar to Jesus first name. Just a coincidence? Add a J to it and you almost got the name Jesus. Martin Bernal’s Black Athena states: “ Semantically, there is a similarity between the groan and cedar; both were applied to Osiris in the mythical scenes in which he was in a tree. The association of a divine name with groans can also be seen in the names Bakchos, from the Semitic bakui (bewailed), and his counterpart Pentheus (bewailed) from the Indo-European”p.171. I also learned from Henry Danna Ward book History of the Cross that: “ When the name Jesus occurred, it was abbreviated, and scribes used only the first two and last letters. The Greek custom of contraction is to put in first and last letters”. So if the scribes had the name Pentheus they would of reduced it down to Peus [peus is close to penus], which is also close to Jesus. The power of Osirius was connected to his penus. Now this may seem a little Nutty but its really Catty. Have you ever wonder why so many divine names last two words end in US. Now according to John Jackson Pagan Origins of the Christ myth “ The letters HIS constitute another sacred monogram of Christ. These letters were also the sacred symbol of the greek[Egyptian] sun god Bacchus or Dionysus. The Christians adopted them as they did many other symbols from pagans. These letters form the root of the name Jesus. HIS when translated from Greek to Latin becomes IES. Adding the latin masculine suffix, US, we get IES plus US, which equals IESUS. In English the I becomes J, hence we get Jesus”p.28.
1.Papyrus another name for Bible
2.Sirius a star associated with Osiris
3.Bacchus Herodotus says was Egyptian ceremonies
4.Zeus A Greek god and revamped name of Amen
5.Pentheus character who resembles Jesus in Euripides play “Bacchus”
6.Horus scholars connect him also to Jesus
7.Jesus the man we know as the sun of RA or the Son of God
8.Phallus another word for penis is connected with the circumcised penis of Osiris, which is connected, with the power of creating. Some obelisk, at the tip of the triangle, represented the circumcise penis/phallus of Osiris creative power with RA. I used to work in the ER as a security Guard. I used to have to hold and the nurses would put what they called a catharizing tube down their penus.
Plutarch reports to us that the first two words of Osiris Os means “many”. Pronouncing Os and us is very similar indeed.
The word US in the dictionary means the objective form of we, which can easily be applied to the word Universal which embraces all created things. Bertrand Russell in his book states in his book A History of Western Philosophy that “In Plato’s doctrine…that is the theory of ideas or forms…there are many individual animals of whom we can truly say ‘this is a cat’. What do we mean by the word “Cat”? …it means something which is not this or that cat, but some kind of universal cattyness” see p.121.
Cicero (106-43bc) wrote a book called The Nature of the Gods and Divination. In this book Cicero stated: “The name of the deity was applied to that which the deity produced, as when we call corn Ceres, and wine Bacchus…” When writers of Jesus put into Jesus mouth “I am the true vine, and my father is the gardener” John 15:1 who do you think they were referring to? This phrase coming out of Jesus mouth just might of come from conversations in Plato’s Symposium (215D-217E) where they quoted a proverb: “So far I could tell my story to anyone; but what follows you would never have heard me tell, only first, wine is true, as they say whether children are there or not”. The proverb was: “Wine and children are true”. Now Plutarch may reveal the true source of this when he says: The Egyptians think that little children possess the power of prophecy, and they try to divine the future from the portents which they find in children’s words , especially when children are playing about in holy places and crying out whatever chances to come into their minds”.-Isis and Osiris Now I ponder deeply where in the bible “the children crying in the temple” at Jesus miracles and Jesus said unto them “Yea: have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise” Matthew 21: 15-16. Clearly this is yet another concept stolen from Egypt.
Allow me to recap all the other similar items I picked up concerning The Bacchus play and the gospels concerning Jesus.
1. Jesus turnt water into wine John 4:46. As we know from Cicero that Bacchae was known to have made wine. And Osirius was known to have taught mankind how to plant the vine according to ancient historian Diordorus. From the Bacchae play “One took a thyrsus wand, and struck the rock, leaped forth at once a dewy mist of water; and one her rod plunged deep in the earth, and there the god sent up a fountain of bright wine”. This was also a magic trick of Moses and Jesus. But for Moses it was just pure water. Bacchus/Dionysos was known by Homer in 800BC for carrying a magical wand. See the Iliad 6:130.Herodotus in book 2 of his histories claimed that Dionysos was Egyptian.
2. Jesus was offered wine while on the cross. The lost Gospel of Peter states he drunk it Mark 15:23. Bacchae play there was much wine drinking before a bull and Pentheus were killed.
3. Before Jesus was killed he gave a cup of wine to his followers as a symbol. “For this is my blood…I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my fathers Kingdom”. Matthew 26:28-29.
4. Both mothers of Jesus and Petheus were at attendance the execution. Mary Magdalene wanted to embalm Jesus. Embalming is Egyptian in origin. The Holman bible dictionary “embalming was seldom used by the Hebrews…and human remains unearthed in Palestinian tombs generally show no signs of having been embalmed”. Matthew Henry commentary thinks Mary wanted to embalm Jesus. If this is true Jesus may have been Egyptian or practicing the Egyptian religion by acting out the Bacchae play.
5. Pentheus was made to wear a woman’s white robe to protect his identity from an all women ceremony. Jesus stated in Revelations that his followers in heaven would wear white robes Rev 7:9. Jesus wore a disguise (most likely a hooded robe) after he was “killed”. Ms Magdalene was unable recognize him John 20:14 Herodotus states: The clothes they [The Egyptians] wear consist of a linen tunic…with a white woolen garment on top of it…this custom agrees with rites known as Orphic and Bacchic” Book 2:81
6. The four elements were connected to their deaths. See 1 John chapter 5. I already quoted above from the play connecting the elements before a sacrifice. Now I will quote Fredrich Nietzsche book The birth of Tragedy Pentheus “This dismemberment, the properly Dionysian suffering, is like a transformation into air water, earth, and fire”.
7. Both “died” on trees. 1 Peter 2:24
8. Both had nails driven through their flesh.
9. Both Jesus + Pentheus had their clothes torn off of them. The women in the play also striped off their robes. Osiris is pictured nude before he was embalmed.
10. Jesus called himself a lamb. In the Bacchae play a bull was sacrificed.
11. Pentheus Palace roof was ruined in the play. Osiris body was recovered from a chest that helped support roof of a king in “Byblos”. Evidently this would make the roof fall because this was its supporting beam or “pillar”. See Plutarch’s Isis and Osiris p39-40 for more on to see how Euripides got his story from.
12. Jesus was mocked as a king with a purple robe on before Pilate. Penthesus was mocked with a woman’s robe on in Euripides play.
There are many other things similar between Jesus and Osiris. I’m just documenting the similarities in the play between Jesus, Pentheus and Osiris.
It’s sad that 2 billion people who profess this religion of Christianity are unaware that their beliefs were based on a playwright. It’s very possible that a person named Jesus once performed on stage and the audience may have been so impressed that the performance of the play was spread orally and then actually believed as true. It’s amazing that some scholars think, “the gospel of John was written to be read aloud in a cathedral”- The meaning of the Dead Sea scrolls By A. Powell Davies
Diogenes Laertius( in the 3rd century ad wrote The Lives of Eminent Philophers). In Volume 1 of his works Diogenes states, “It was thought that he [Socrates] helped Euripides to make his plays”. I wouldn’t of believed this statement if I wouldn’t of discovered any statements of Socrates that were similar to the New Testament. Since Socrates was known to talk a lot instead of writing, I had to look for Plato’s Republic and Xenophon accounts of Socrates to find any clues. Book 8 of Plato’s Republic has many themes in it that sounds very much like the book of Revelations in the New Testament. Plato Republic in book 8 has about three issues that are almost exactly the same in the New Testament: One Jesus talks about “The holy city, the new Jerusalem”. Second is the Plato’s Marriage allegory coincides with Jesus analogy of the Bride and Bridegroom being married? And third a description of war for this new city.
Book 8 is concerned with the ideal, perfect city and who will rule it. I will offer some quotes that are relevant to the plagiarism of the New Testament writers. Plato writes: “The city which is to be arranged in the best possible way must have women in common, all education in common…Kings among them must be those who have shown themselves best {or ‘The best man’ both in philosophy and in warfare…the city leaders whom you have educated…they will sometimes beget children when they should not for a divine birth ling the circle is comprehended by a perfect number, for a human birth…from which numbers, three and four wedded with five and cubed produce two harmonies, one square…and when your guardians ,not knowing this, bring brides and bridegrooms together unseasonably…Hesiod’s golden and silvern and brazen and iron: iron will be mixed with silver and brass with gold, and so unlikeness and unevenness unharmonised will come up…from this generation I tell you is begotten faction…there is a tug of war between these two breeds among the guardians; iron and brazen pulling towards moneymaking and freehold property…after a violent struggle together they compromise the matter; they would share land and houses among themselves in private possession, and then make slaves{Servants}of those whom they had been guarding in freedom, ..That seems how the change will come about”. -Book 8 of the Republic Perpetrators of plagiarism often times change what they steal to avoid detection but the New testament writers weren’t that very good at it. We know from there writings that Jesus admitted he was a King but not of “this world” his writers also declared him perfect. We know Jesus made the statement that males and females who came together in a marriage was “one” or one mind in harmony with each other. The description of Jesus feet was that of brass. Jesus was known to have fought the devil out of heaven. Jesus in Chapter 21:1-3; 16 of revelations talked about his new perfect city in Jerusalem. “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth…I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband…the city was laid out like a square.” The city foundation and walls will be made up of all types of precious stones verse 19. Then in Chapter 22:3 I read that “the throne of god and the lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him” .In Plato’s city there will be servants too. Plato seems to indicate that the servants or slaves will be those who once had power. I know that Jesus did say the meek shall inherit the earth and that the last will become the first. If portions of the New Testament were not hijacked from Plato who learnt his wisdom from the Egyptians then there is no such thing as plagiarism.
Socrates could of very well provided assistance and support to Euripides in writing his play on Bacchus because he knew about the rites. In Ion from the Great Dialoguges of Plato Socrates is quoted saying: “All the good poets who make epic poems use no art at all, but they are inspired and possessed when they utter all these beautiful poems and, and so are the good lyric poets; these are not in their right mind when they make their beautiful songs…As soon as they mount on their harmony and rhythm, they become frantic and possessed; just as the bacchant women…for not by art do they speak these things, but by divine power…therefore god takes the mind out of the poets, and uses them as his servants, and so also those who chant oracles…god himself is the speaker and through them he shows his meaning to us”. More conclusive evidence that Socrates may of provided assistance to Euripides Bacchus play was dug up by reading Plutarch’s Isis and Osiris. Plutarch says: “Osiris is identical with Dionysus [or Bacchus]…they call him up out of the water by sound of trumpets, at the same time casting into the depths a lamb as an offering to the keeper of the gate. The trumpets they conceal in Bacchus wands, as Socrates has stated in his treatise on The Holy Ones”.
As far as I know Socrates was put to death for not recognizing Rome’s deities. From what I understood Socrates felt there was only one god not several of them. Near the end of the Symposium it was reported that Socrates: “Got some notion into his head, and there he stood on one spot from dawn, thinking, and when it did not come out, he would not give in but still stood pondering. It was already midday, and people noticed it, and wondered, and said to one another that Socrates had been standing thinking about something since dawn…he did stand until it was dawn, and the sun rose; then he offered a prayer to the sun and walked away”. The Egyptians were the first to conceived God (RA 2500BC) as representing the sun. Even if Socrates was worshiping Apollo (the sun God) he was still praying to the Egyptian God because Herodotus reports that Apollo was Egyptian. Was Socrates killed because he was helping poets write plays and introducing or rather reintroducing the Egyptian religion in Rome?
Bertrand Russell {one of the most prominent philosophers in the 20th century wrote a book: A History of Western Philosophy. And in his book he came up with the same conclusion I did. “With Dionysus, or Bacchus, whom we think of most naturally as the somewhat disreputable god of wine and drunkenness, The way in which, out of his worship, there arose a profound mysticism, which greatly influenced many of the philosophers, and even had a part in shaping Christian theology, is very remarkable [p14…it is certain that Orphic doctrines contain much that seems to have its first source in Egypt [p15]…This mystical element entered into Greek philosophy with Pythagoras, who was a reformer of orphism, as Orpheus was a reformer of the religion of Bacchus. From Pythagoras orphic elements entered into the philosophy of Plato, and from Plato into most later philosophy” p19
Notes:
Socrates claimed decent from Daidalos in Plato’s Euthyphro. According to Diodorus Daidalos was the great-grandson of Erechtheus. The Egyptians claimed Erectheus was an Egyptian priest. See Diodorus 1:97. Daidalos was a sculptor and Socrates was a stoneworker by trade to. If you look at Greek marable pictures of Socrates he appears to have Negro features with a wide nose and large lips. He may look white but he might not be. Take Mariah carey for an example. She looks white but she’s not. Socrates, if his statements to Plato were true, may have had Egyptian blood running down his veins.
I rest my case.
Andre Austin
By Andre Austin
400 years before Jesus was born Euripides (400bc) wrote a play called Bacchae. Quoted below are works from the play that was incorporated into the New Testament in 100Ad. The plagiarism is astounding.
Allow me to begin my essay by quoting from John G. Jackson book Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth “The sacrificed Jesus, or Joshua [ancient hebrew sun-god, according to Robertson and Rylands, was not a historical personage, but a character in a mystery Play” p. 24
In the Greek play of Euripides Pentheus is a king. Jesus was mocked as a king. Both deaths are associated with a tree According to a letter Peter wrote in the New Testament Jesus died on a tree. The second book of Peter specifically says Jesus was killed on a tree. Both are stabbed with swords. When John baptized Jesus, the description before and after the event uses the same 4 elements vocabulary in Euripides play. Furthermore, Herodotus in Book 2:81 of his Histories affirms that Bacchae ceremonies were of Egyptian origins. I shall quote excerpted pieces from Euripides play.
“O Dionysus chant the choral hymn to thee
Blest above all of human line,
Who, deep in mystic rites divine
Lead his hallowed life with us,
Initiate in our Thyasus;
And purified with holiest waters…
Man’s primal need, Demeter, the boon Goddess
(Or rather will ye call her mother Earth?
When they quaff the vines rich stream…
When Jove had snatched him from the lightning –fire
He to Olympus bore the newborn babe.
Stern here strove to thrust him out of heaven
But Jove encountered her wiles divine:
He clove off part of the earth-encircling air.p11
Thou the child of Jove didst lave…
Lo! To Thebes I thus proclaim,
‘Twice born!’ thus thy mystic name… p.20 [Jesus was born 2 times]
Dionysus, shouted loud ‘Behold! I bring,
O maidens, him that you and me our rites,
Our orgies laughed to scorn; now take your vengeance’.
And as he spake, a light of holy fire
Stood up, and straight blazed from earth up to heaven
Silent the air, silent the verdant grove…
But when Cadmus daughters
Heard manifest the god’s awakening voice,
Forth rushed they, fleeter than the winged dove
Their nimble feet quick coursing up and down…
The oaken boughs by lightning as struck off…pp41-42
The beast that rides thereon. He will ne’er betray
The mysteries of our god.”
After Jesus is baptized “The spirit of god descending like a dove and lightning on him and a voice from heaven said” Matthew 3:16-17. Why is it so that in Euripides play a voice from god is heard then doves and lightning appear? The only difference is that Gods voice in the play of Matthew come after the doves and lightning. The New Testament also admitted the use of the magical four elements were connected with Jesus via of the supreme God. See 1John 5:8 “And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: [fire?] And these three agree in one”.
The New Testament
Matthew 3:11-16 states in part:
11. I indeed baptize you with water unto
Repentance: but he that cometh after me is
Mightier than I, whose shoe I’am not worthy
To bear: he shall baptize you with the holy
Ghost, (spirit or air) and with fire…
16.And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up
Straightway out of the water: and lo, the
Heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the
Spirit (or Air) of god descending likes a dove (bird)
And lighting (fire) upon him. And a voice from heaven,
Saying…
Now that we know that Jesus emerging under water was an Egyptian ritual. I’ve been curious as to what the ritual meant. According to Plutarch coming out of the water represented “a phallic {penis} nature, they expose and carry about a statue of which the male member is triple…is used by the early writers in its strict meaning; for the nature of moisture, being the source and origin of all things, created out of itself three primal material substances, earth, air and fire. In fact, the tale that is annexed to the legend to the effect that Typhon (Seth) cast the male member of Osiris into the river. Plutarch also talks about a ceremony among the Egyptians that gives striking parallels to the above Matthew 3:11-16 quote. Plutarch says: “On the nineteenth day they go down to the sea at nighttime; and the keepers of the robes and the priests bring forth the sacred chest containing a small golden coffer, into which they pour some potable water which they have taken up, and a great shout arises from the company for joy that Osiris is found. Then they knead some fertile soil with water and mix in spices and incense of a very costly sort, and fashion there from a crescent-shaped figure, which they clothe and adorn, thus indicating that they regard these gods as the substance of earth and water”. This was the story of the life of Jesus put into fast-forward. As we know gifts of incense were given to Jesus at his birth and his later baptism and Resurrection would come later in his life was the same process of Osiris
Even the name of Euripides victim to be killed is almost the same as Jesus. If you take the fist five letters away from Pentheus you are left with eus. The end of his name is similar to Jesus first name. Just a coincidence? Add a J to it and you almost got the name Jesus. Martin Bernal’s Black Athena states: “ Semantically, there is a similarity between the groan and cedar; both were applied to Osiris in the mythical scenes in which he was in a tree. The association of a divine name with groans can also be seen in the names Bakchos, from the Semitic bakui (bewailed), and his counterpart Pentheus (bewailed) from the Indo-European”p.171. I also learned from Henry Danna Ward book History of the Cross that: “ When the name Jesus occurred, it was abbreviated, and scribes used only the first two and last letters. The Greek custom of contraction is to put in first and last letters”. So if the scribes had the name Pentheus they would of reduced it down to Peus [peus is close to penus], which is also close to Jesus. The power of Osirius was connected to his penus. Now this may seem a little Nutty but its really Catty. Have you ever wonder why so many divine names last two words end in US. Now according to John Jackson Pagan Origins of the Christ myth “ The letters HIS constitute another sacred monogram of Christ. These letters were also the sacred symbol of the greek[Egyptian] sun god Bacchus or Dionysus. The Christians adopted them as they did many other symbols from pagans. These letters form the root of the name Jesus. HIS when translated from Greek to Latin becomes IES. Adding the latin masculine suffix, US, we get IES plus US, which equals IESUS. In English the I becomes J, hence we get Jesus”p.28.
1.Papyrus another name for Bible
2.Sirius a star associated with Osiris
3.Bacchus Herodotus says was Egyptian ceremonies
4.Zeus A Greek god and revamped name of Amen
5.Pentheus character who resembles Jesus in Euripides play “Bacchus”
6.Horus scholars connect him also to Jesus
7.Jesus the man we know as the sun of RA or the Son of God
8.Phallus another word for penis is connected with the circumcised penis of Osiris, which is connected, with the power of creating. Some obelisk, at the tip of the triangle, represented the circumcise penis/phallus of Osiris creative power with RA. I used to work in the ER as a security Guard. I used to have to hold and the nurses would put what they called a catharizing tube down their penus.
Plutarch reports to us that the first two words of Osiris Os means “many”. Pronouncing Os and us is very similar indeed.
The word US in the dictionary means the objective form of we, which can easily be applied to the word Universal which embraces all created things. Bertrand Russell in his book states in his book A History of Western Philosophy that “In Plato’s doctrine…that is the theory of ideas or forms…there are many individual animals of whom we can truly say ‘this is a cat’. What do we mean by the word “Cat”? …it means something which is not this or that cat, but some kind of universal cattyness” see p.121.
Cicero (106-43bc) wrote a book called The Nature of the Gods and Divination. In this book Cicero stated: “The name of the deity was applied to that which the deity produced, as when we call corn Ceres, and wine Bacchus…” When writers of Jesus put into Jesus mouth “I am the true vine, and my father is the gardener” John 15:1 who do you think they were referring to? This phrase coming out of Jesus mouth just might of come from conversations in Plato’s Symposium (215D-217E) where they quoted a proverb: “So far I could tell my story to anyone; but what follows you would never have heard me tell, only first, wine is true, as they say whether children are there or not”. The proverb was: “Wine and children are true”. Now Plutarch may reveal the true source of this when he says: The Egyptians think that little children possess the power of prophecy, and they try to divine the future from the portents which they find in children’s words , especially when children are playing about in holy places and crying out whatever chances to come into their minds”.-Isis and Osiris Now I ponder deeply where in the bible “the children crying in the temple” at Jesus miracles and Jesus said unto them “Yea: have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise” Matthew 21: 15-16. Clearly this is yet another concept stolen from Egypt.
Allow me to recap all the other similar items I picked up concerning The Bacchus play and the gospels concerning Jesus.
1. Jesus turnt water into wine John 4:46. As we know from Cicero that Bacchae was known to have made wine. And Osirius was known to have taught mankind how to plant the vine according to ancient historian Diordorus. From the Bacchae play “One took a thyrsus wand, and struck the rock, leaped forth at once a dewy mist of water; and one her rod plunged deep in the earth, and there the god sent up a fountain of bright wine”. This was also a magic trick of Moses and Jesus. But for Moses it was just pure water. Bacchus/Dionysos was known by Homer in 800BC for carrying a magical wand. See the Iliad 6:130.Herodotus in book 2 of his histories claimed that Dionysos was Egyptian.
2. Jesus was offered wine while on the cross. The lost Gospel of Peter states he drunk it Mark 15:23. Bacchae play there was much wine drinking before a bull and Pentheus were killed.
3. Before Jesus was killed he gave a cup of wine to his followers as a symbol. “For this is my blood…I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my fathers Kingdom”. Matthew 26:28-29.
4. Both mothers of Jesus and Petheus were at attendance the execution. Mary Magdalene wanted to embalm Jesus. Embalming is Egyptian in origin. The Holman bible dictionary “embalming was seldom used by the Hebrews…and human remains unearthed in Palestinian tombs generally show no signs of having been embalmed”. Matthew Henry commentary thinks Mary wanted to embalm Jesus. If this is true Jesus may have been Egyptian or practicing the Egyptian religion by acting out the Bacchae play.
5. Pentheus was made to wear a woman’s white robe to protect his identity from an all women ceremony. Jesus stated in Revelations that his followers in heaven would wear white robes Rev 7:9. Jesus wore a disguise (most likely a hooded robe) after he was “killed”. Ms Magdalene was unable recognize him John 20:14 Herodotus states: The clothes they [The Egyptians] wear consist of a linen tunic…with a white woolen garment on top of it…this custom agrees with rites known as Orphic and Bacchic” Book 2:81
6. The four elements were connected to their deaths. See 1 John chapter 5. I already quoted above from the play connecting the elements before a sacrifice. Now I will quote Fredrich Nietzsche book The birth of Tragedy Pentheus “This dismemberment, the properly Dionysian suffering, is like a transformation into air water, earth, and fire”.
7. Both “died” on trees. 1 Peter 2:24
8. Both had nails driven through their flesh.
9. Both Jesus + Pentheus had their clothes torn off of them. The women in the play also striped off their robes. Osiris is pictured nude before he was embalmed.
10. Jesus called himself a lamb. In the Bacchae play a bull was sacrificed.
11. Pentheus Palace roof was ruined in the play. Osiris body was recovered from a chest that helped support roof of a king in “Byblos”. Evidently this would make the roof fall because this was its supporting beam or “pillar”. See Plutarch’s Isis and Osiris p39-40 for more on to see how Euripides got his story from.
12. Jesus was mocked as a king with a purple robe on before Pilate. Penthesus was mocked with a woman’s robe on in Euripides play.
There are many other things similar between Jesus and Osiris. I’m just documenting the similarities in the play between Jesus, Pentheus and Osiris.
It’s sad that 2 billion people who profess this religion of Christianity are unaware that their beliefs were based on a playwright. It’s very possible that a person named Jesus once performed on stage and the audience may have been so impressed that the performance of the play was spread orally and then actually believed as true. It’s amazing that some scholars think, “the gospel of John was written to be read aloud in a cathedral”- The meaning of the Dead Sea scrolls By A. Powell Davies
Diogenes Laertius( in the 3rd century ad wrote The Lives of Eminent Philophers). In Volume 1 of his works Diogenes states, “It was thought that he [Socrates] helped Euripides to make his plays”. I wouldn’t of believed this statement if I wouldn’t of discovered any statements of Socrates that were similar to the New Testament. Since Socrates was known to talk a lot instead of writing, I had to look for Plato’s Republic and Xenophon accounts of Socrates to find any clues. Book 8 of Plato’s Republic has many themes in it that sounds very much like the book of Revelations in the New Testament. Plato Republic in book 8 has about three issues that are almost exactly the same in the New Testament: One Jesus talks about “The holy city, the new Jerusalem”. Second is the Plato’s Marriage allegory coincides with Jesus analogy of the Bride and Bridegroom being married? And third a description of war for this new city.
Book 8 is concerned with the ideal, perfect city and who will rule it. I will offer some quotes that are relevant to the plagiarism of the New Testament writers. Plato writes: “The city which is to be arranged in the best possible way must have women in common, all education in common…Kings among them must be those who have shown themselves best {or ‘The best man’ both in philosophy and in warfare…the city leaders whom you have educated…they will sometimes beget children when they should not for a divine birth ling the circle is comprehended by a perfect number, for a human birth…from which numbers, three and four wedded with five and cubed produce two harmonies, one square…and when your guardians ,not knowing this, bring brides and bridegrooms together unseasonably…Hesiod’s golden and silvern and brazen and iron: iron will be mixed with silver and brass with gold, and so unlikeness and unevenness unharmonised will come up…from this generation I tell you is begotten faction…there is a tug of war between these two breeds among the guardians; iron and brazen pulling towards moneymaking and freehold property…after a violent struggle together they compromise the matter; they would share land and houses among themselves in private possession, and then make slaves{Servants}of those whom they had been guarding in freedom, ..That seems how the change will come about”. -Book 8 of the Republic Perpetrators of plagiarism often times change what they steal to avoid detection but the New testament writers weren’t that very good at it. We know from there writings that Jesus admitted he was a King but not of “this world” his writers also declared him perfect. We know Jesus made the statement that males and females who came together in a marriage was “one” or one mind in harmony with each other. The description of Jesus feet was that of brass. Jesus was known to have fought the devil out of heaven. Jesus in Chapter 21:1-3; 16 of revelations talked about his new perfect city in Jerusalem. “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth…I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband…the city was laid out like a square.” The city foundation and walls will be made up of all types of precious stones verse 19. Then in Chapter 22:3 I read that “the throne of god and the lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him” .In Plato’s city there will be servants too. Plato seems to indicate that the servants or slaves will be those who once had power. I know that Jesus did say the meek shall inherit the earth and that the last will become the first. If portions of the New Testament were not hijacked from Plato who learnt his wisdom from the Egyptians then there is no such thing as plagiarism.
Socrates could of very well provided assistance and support to Euripides in writing his play on Bacchus because he knew about the rites. In Ion from the Great Dialoguges of Plato Socrates is quoted saying: “All the good poets who make epic poems use no art at all, but they are inspired and possessed when they utter all these beautiful poems and, and so are the good lyric poets; these are not in their right mind when they make their beautiful songs…As soon as they mount on their harmony and rhythm, they become frantic and possessed; just as the bacchant women…for not by art do they speak these things, but by divine power…therefore god takes the mind out of the poets, and uses them as his servants, and so also those who chant oracles…god himself is the speaker and through them he shows his meaning to us”. More conclusive evidence that Socrates may of provided assistance to Euripides Bacchus play was dug up by reading Plutarch’s Isis and Osiris. Plutarch says: “Osiris is identical with Dionysus [or Bacchus]…they call him up out of the water by sound of trumpets, at the same time casting into the depths a lamb as an offering to the keeper of the gate. The trumpets they conceal in Bacchus wands, as Socrates has stated in his treatise on The Holy Ones”.
As far as I know Socrates was put to death for not recognizing Rome’s deities. From what I understood Socrates felt there was only one god not several of them. Near the end of the Symposium it was reported that Socrates: “Got some notion into his head, and there he stood on one spot from dawn, thinking, and when it did not come out, he would not give in but still stood pondering. It was already midday, and people noticed it, and wondered, and said to one another that Socrates had been standing thinking about something since dawn…he did stand until it was dawn, and the sun rose; then he offered a prayer to the sun and walked away”. The Egyptians were the first to conceived God (RA 2500BC) as representing the sun. Even if Socrates was worshiping Apollo (the sun God) he was still praying to the Egyptian God because Herodotus reports that Apollo was Egyptian. Was Socrates killed because he was helping poets write plays and introducing or rather reintroducing the Egyptian religion in Rome?
Bertrand Russell {one of the most prominent philosophers in the 20th century wrote a book: A History of Western Philosophy. And in his book he came up with the same conclusion I did. “With Dionysus, or Bacchus, whom we think of most naturally as the somewhat disreputable god of wine and drunkenness, The way in which, out of his worship, there arose a profound mysticism, which greatly influenced many of the philosophers, and even had a part in shaping Christian theology, is very remarkable [p14…it is certain that Orphic doctrines contain much that seems to have its first source in Egypt [p15]…This mystical element entered into Greek philosophy with Pythagoras, who was a reformer of orphism, as Orpheus was a reformer of the religion of Bacchus. From Pythagoras orphic elements entered into the philosophy of Plato, and from Plato into most later philosophy” p19
Notes:
Socrates claimed decent from Daidalos in Plato’s Euthyphro. According to Diodorus Daidalos was the great-grandson of Erechtheus. The Egyptians claimed Erectheus was an Egyptian priest. See Diodorus 1:97. Daidalos was a sculptor and Socrates was a stoneworker by trade to. If you look at Greek marable pictures of Socrates he appears to have Negro features with a wide nose and large lips. He may look white but he might not be. Take Mariah carey for an example. She looks white but she’s not. Socrates, if his statements to Plato were true, may have had Egyptian blood running down his veins.
I rest my case.
Andre Austin