It pains me to inform you that due to your lack of understanding on how things are done in the poetry forum, you are banned. Your flow is respected here but you must also show the same respect that has been allocated to you. The recent accusations that you've thrown at members on the board are unfounded.You will be allowed to return 2 weeks from this day. If you choose to return, I hope that your understanding of the poetry forum rules becomes clearer...Destee.com is all about love...we all have a different defination of this word, but it seems yours does not agree with ours. Please think on this and hopefully we will see you in 2 weeks.

Respectfully,

Khasm13

Don't go away MADD.

please dont let him back :skillet:

Brother 1PoetSought ... i love you !!! ... :love: ... our MADD aint MADD !!!

Brother THA HOOKUPMAN ... c'mon now ... if we applied that across the board ... never let anyone back? ... :look:

Brother MADD will be allowed to come back, because that's what Brother Khasm said ... and i for one am looking forward to it ... i love Brother MADD ... even though he doesn't make it real easy to do! :love:

Brother Khasm ... thanks for being here to do the difficult stuff ... i know it's not easy.

Much Much Love and Peace Family.

:heart:

Destee

if u love him so why is he banned then ....some times i wont get this place really ... :insane:

if u love him so why is he banned then ....some times i wont get this place really ... :insane:

He's banned because of all that stuff that Brother Khasm said up there ... but his doing those things, doesn't keep me from loving him. Believe it or not, there was a time when it was probably a struggle for folk to love me, i did things too, but they loved me no matter ... and so, if they could love me no matter, surely i can love Brother MADD ... no matter.

His being banned, and the love, are 2 separate things.

:heart:

Destee

…why are we being encouraged to tolerate someone who doesn’t love or even respect our house? Why are members publicly reprimanded in a condescending tone by our administrators for being upset with Madd’s behavior? I mean, really, if I came in here saying some of the things or calling members out of their names the way Madd has consistently done, I would have been banned a long time ago. It just seems like a double standard, a two edged sword even: the more loved you are by the leaders of the community, the more rope you’re given to hang yourself repeatedly without punishment: is this the message that is being sent? I mean, I find it so ironic that the issue of Madd keeps coming full circle, “even when I was a moderator”….I mean come on, I was even asked to take back a warning that I made to him.

I find the whole issue of this “Madness” an insult to our intelligence. How much does a member have to take, even the ones who are afraid to speak or who have remained silent for the sake of their sanity (such as me…) have to take before something is done. Believe me, I really don’t want to see him banned, permanently; I truly wish he could integrate but no matter what you do…he refuses to change.

I also realize I will most likely be reamed for this post…but this is all so frustrating for me. Oh, and in regard to 1poetsoughts reply…I find it interesting that such a peaceable member would even say anything slightly facetious…but the fact that he did…should tell us something right there.

How much more has to be said?

How much more must we endure…How much?

I turn my head the other way…but the Madness is still present.



When will the voices of the true “Loving” members of this house be heard?

Sister Angelicsage ... i'm going to try to respond to each of your concerns individually, so i'll quote a little bit, respond, quote a little bit, respond, and so on. Let me say here also, that you don't have to worry about sharing your views and being "reamed" as a result of that. Everyone is, and always has been, welcome to let us know how they feel.

…why are we being encouraged to tolerate someone who doesn’t love or even respect our house?

Sister Angelic ... we are all encouraged here to "tolerate" each other. It's not easy to do, especially when someone comes in with not the best of people skills or what would be considered "appropriate" behavior ... but that is the goal of this community, that we learn not only to "tolerate" each other, but love and respect each other as well. It's not always easy. We have lots of issues amongst us. This is a perfect example of the "not easy" times, but i personally think we must lead by example ... and if our goal is to learn to "tolerate", love, and respect each other as a people, collectively ... it's the "not so easy times" that sets us apart from the rest.

I could point to several different experiences in this community, where we have "tolerated" a Member ... tolerated them long enough for them to become very positive, encouraging, and valued Members. We could have given up on those Members, but we didn't. It's just what we do here, when our Spirits are moved like that. It doesn't happen every time, but it has certainly happened more than once ... more than this time right here, with Brother MADD.

Now, to speak to whether or not Brother MADD loves or respects this community, cannot be an exact or precise conclusion. The most either of us can do is guess, based on whatever "evidence" we have to look at. We can put emphasis on those pieces that we individually feel are deserving, but we probably won't ever come to the same exact opinion. For example, i can imagine that you are basing your belief that he does not love and respect this community on his behavior that has gotten him banned. While i on the other hand, base my belief on the fact that he has been a Member here since the very beginning. I can't imagine that a person can stay in one place, for years and years and years, and not love and respect it to some degree.

You're certainly entitled to think that he does not love and respect this community, but i too am entitled to think otherwise. It's just a difference of opinion. No necessarily right or wrong answer here.

Why are members publicly reprimanded in a condescending tone by our administrators for being upset with Madd’s behavior?

Who was publicly reprimanded (besides MADD)? I had to look this word up to be sure i knew what it meant ... "a severe, formal, or official rebuke or censure" ... who had this done to them? I had to look up condescending too, just to be sure my understanding of this word was not wrong ... "to descend to the level of one considered inferior; lower oneself" ... again Sister, i don't know who was spoke to this way.

I responded to this thread, the comments in it, and i did not intend to reprimand or be condescending to anyone. Brother THA HOOKUPMAN suggested that MADD never be allowed to come back, and i only said that if we applied that across the board, he would not be here now. The very thing he's asking us to do to MADD, he did not want done to himself ... and was given that consideration, he was allowed to come back. It was my hope that he'd see that folk can be allowed to come back and never do anything else that gives reason for them to be banned again ... that if he could be given another chance and use it wisely, that perhaps MADD could too. I don't know what about that you find to be condescending or reprimand-like. You'll have to help me out on that one Sister.

I don't believe you're referring to what i said to Brother 1PoetSought, but if so, show me that too ... because i can't see it there either.

I mean, really, if I came in here saying some of the things or calling members out of their names the way Madd has consistently done, I would have been banned a long time ago. It just seems like a double standard, a two edged sword even: the more loved you are by the leaders of the community, the more rope you’re given to hang yourself repeatedly without punishment: is this the message that is being sent? I mean, I find it so ironic that the issue of Madd keeps coming full circle, “even when I was a moderator”….I mean come on, I was even asked to take back a warning that I made to him.

Okay Sister, you've said a lot here and i'm going to try to address it all. First, if you were doing like MADD has done, i can't imagine that you'd be banned long ago ... but again, you're entitled to believe what you'd like. Certainly one could argue that there appears to be a double standard, as not every single situation is handled exactly the same. We are guilty of that, but not because we are seeking to be inconsistent, but more because we are trying to take all things into consideration. No two incidents here are exactly alike. The circumstances surrounding each issue varies, and as a result, the way we handle it may vary also. When dealing with people, personalities, etc., it takes a very flexible management style, in my opinion, to keep the peace. We can't be rigid and hard ... well, i guess we could ... but i don't think it's what's best for us here. This community is a place of refuge, a place we can relax, enjoy ourselves, let our hair down a little bit, but all within the rules. Some folk come in and never give us a moment of trouble, others come in with ragged edges, but smooth them out with just one or two gentle nudges, some we have to work harder with, some don't make it a few hours, and there is everyone in between. That is our people. I don't know how to make them all walk in acting exactly like "someone thinks they should," or to conform in a brief and pre-determined amount of time. We have to be patient with each other, and i tend to be very patient ... even moreso than the Moderators. As we grow, and we are growing, i realize that we are not able to remain soft and easy with 7000+ Members. We are moving toward more hard and rigid, but not real hard and rigid! I hope we never become anything that resembles too hard and rigid.

Yes, you were a Moderator Sister Angelic, and i'm sure you can remember me saying time and time again ... that we have never been where we are ... none of us on the Management Team of this community have ever managed a community with 7000+ Members, hundreds of thousands of posts, online classes, voice chat, etc. ... we are all learning and we're bound to make some mistakes ... but all in all .. i'm very pleased with our Moderating Team and the way we manage ... and hopefully we'll get even better at it. Please know though, that whatever you see us doing, it is what we believe is best. If we find that we made a mistake, it is not beneath us to admit that. I've apologized often over the years, and will continue to do so when necessary.

I find the whole issue of this “Madness” an insult to our intelligence. How much does a member have to take, even the ones who are afraid to speak or who have remained silent for the sake of their sanity (such as me…) have to take before something is done. Believe me, I really don’t want to see him banned, permanently; I truly wish he could integrate but no matter what you do…he refuses to change.

As i've already mentioned, i'm pretty easy, but we have Moderators that aren't as easy as i am ... and things are changing ... i'm listening more to them, acting on what they say ... giving them full control to make whatever decisions they feel necessary ... and supporting them in those decisions. While our management style has been successful for the majority of this community's life ... when we had a few hundred or a few thousand Members ... it's not working as effectively or efficiently with 7000+ Members. So a change is needed (possibly needed a long time) and being implemented. I take full responsibility for the way things were and are.

How much does a Member have to take before something is done, you ask ... well ... something has been done. Brother MADD has been banned for 2 weeks and it is my hope that upon his return, we will not experience the same from him. If we do, we'll deal with that. We are not asking the Membership to be mistreated. Everyone is welcome to present their concerns openly. If there are folk who are afraid to speak up, i don't know what to say about that. No one has ever been mistreated for speaking up, as a matter of fact, i have always encouraged everyone to put their concerns on the table, everything out in the open. So if someone feels afraid, please don't.

Based on what we've done in the past, Brother MADD's behavior has not changed much. It is our hope that this 2 week ban will get his attention, and he will return with a renewed Spirit ... but if not, we'll deal with that accordingly. I guess i'm a little more hopeful than you (and perhaps others). We shall all see soon.

I also realize I will most likely be reamed for this post…but this is all so frustrating for me. Oh, and in regard to 1poetsoughts reply…I find it interesting that such a peaceable member would even say anything slightly facetious…but the fact that he did…should tell us something right there.

Sister Angelic ... i'm not sure what "reamed" means but nothing will ever happen because you have an opinion and voice it. I welcome your comments and concerns, as i do every single Member's here ... and will always try to respond.

In regard to Brother 1PoetSought's response ... i don't know that he was being facetious at all. He said, "Don't go away MADD" ... i took him to mean that he did not want Brother MADD to go away MADD. I guess we'll need Brother 1PoetSought to confirm that he was in fact being facetious and i misunderstood the words he shared.

I do agree with you that Brother 1PoetSought is oh so very peaceable! Gosh. I love him too! Whew!

How much more has to be said?

The situation has been handled, Brother MADD has been banned for 2 weeks. The most we can do at this point is hope he'll come back, not doing the things that caused him to be banned. Regardless of this, you are more than welcome to say as much more about it as you'd like, there's no limit.

How much more must we endure…How much?

He's gone right now, and upon his return, if there's not a change significant enough to warrant staying, he'll be gone again.

I turn my head the other way…but the Madness is still present.

Where is the Madness? MADD is gone.

When will the voices of the true “Loving” members of this house be heard?

We pride ourselves on listening to every Member's voice that wants to be heard. If there is a post, thread or issue that has been brought to our attention that has not been addressed ... please show it to me.

Sister Angelic ... i appreciate you sharing your concerns and providing this example for everyone else to know that they are welcome to do the same. If i failed to speak to any one of your concerns, let me know, and i'll try again.

Family ... please know you are welcome to present whatever questions or concerns you may have. There is absolutely no reason to be afraid to say whatever you think needs to be said. We'll do our best to respond in a timely manner.

Much Love and Peace Family.

:heart:

Destee

I believe that our wayward brother Maddrapper understands the consequences of his words.

He only did what he was allowed, & when he finally was scorned like a mischeivous child he understood further the consequences of his words.

Bro. Khasm did the right thing by not banning him, but "suspending" (4 failure of a better word) him.

Maybe his time off will wake him up.

Peace.

peace,

Indeed we all have someone in our families (in my case a few) who love to vent for the want of attention...Surely, they are still family worthy of the love we want for oursleves if the bible and Qu'ran are correct when they say "we want for our brothers want for ourselves" & " honor thy nieghbor"...no doubt, oftimes we feel they are not worthy of our love, but to deny them that love is to deny ourselves.....case in point - brotha Madd has only been banned physically and not spiritually because his energy has creeped into us now & we are carrying the negative torch for him as he sits and re-ups on his "heat" for his return!

& when he comes back and reads this thread we will never know if his intention was to be more positive because if it was - the comments here will surely make him MADDDD and cause a 180 of his attitude!

As for me, I would never want to see anyone banned, especially sister angel whose name is appropriate as her every response sheds light.....as family we can agree to disagree, but at the end of the day we have to be united to be able to withstand such a brotha's divide and conquer tactics. this is exactly what his purpose was. Now that he has been kicked out of the garden and sent to the land of Nod, it is not what he will do upon his return across the hot sands, but rather will we still be united and patient enough to build with our young brotha to steer him away from his mischief.......

"Am I my brotha's keeper"

peace & luv ya'll

not to step on your toes info...this situation has been going on for a while now...too long...a lot of poets are frustrated because of madd...i didn't want to see madd banned either, but it was truly needed for the common good...people come here to vent about stuff they go thru in the real world...poets do not need for other poets to vent on them here...this is not a place for that...

i found myself writting scribes about maddrapper...thas not my job here...action was needed...
it is my belief that things will change with him...if not...we moderators always have a job to do...

one love
khasm

quick ?: when did the suspension rule start... was it always like that?

Whew Destee…that was really loooooooooooooong, lol… :weird:

Nonetheless, I appreciate your thorough approach. I want to make my reply
a bit shorter because I believe I can make my point and be done with this
very, exhausting topic, rather quickly. There are only a few points that I’d
like to address:

1) In regard to 1poetsought’s comment: One of the most prevalent
flaws with written communication via electronic/virtual transmission, is that,
it can so easily be misinterpreted. So while I found the statement to be
quick witted and a clever “play on words” which 1poet is so well known for,
you found it to be a sincere plea. I suppose we will have to wait on 1poet’s
reply for clarification, if he so chooses to enlighten us.

2) In regard to Brother Hookup, I find it very unsettling that you
would compare that particular banning to this one when there were distinct
differences in the cases. Also, I believe you know the true details of that
situation and that he was wrongfully banned for someone else’s actions. It
appears from your tone, you still believe him to have been guilty but you are
entitled to your own opinion. As it stands I don’t recall seeing Brother
Hookup poetically defecating (in flow) on other poet's poetry or calling
certain members such as Sister Swt-t or even Daroc (if I recall correctly)
out of their name. I think his behavior henceforth has spoken for itself,
objectively speaking. Personally, I think that part of your response should
have been made directly to him but since you mentioned it…..*shrugging
shoulders” :look:

3) Reamed…is a term often used to describe a harsh form of
disciplinary action. (perhaps this word was a bit too strong for you)


In short, I appreciate you taking the time to address my concerns although I
think the action taken against Madd is so long overdue that it is making a
mockery of the “Destee” Judicial system, for lack of a better way of putting
it.

As of now…I am taking ten steps back from this “Maddness” (and I am being
slightly, facetious here) for the sake of my own peace of mind.

I wish you guys the best of luck and a wealth of patience in your very
admirable endeavor in the conversion of this member, as I sincerely believe
you will need it and then some.


Again, Thanks... :heart:

Whew Destee…that was really loooooooooooooong, lol… :weird:

Nonetheless, I appreciate your thorough approach. I want to make my reply
a bit shorter because I believe I can make my point and be done with this
very, exhausting topic, rather quickly. There are only a few points that I’d
like to address:

1) In regard to 1poetsought’s comment: One of the most prevalent
flaws with written communication via electronic/virtual transmission, is that,
it can so easily be misinterpreted. So while I found the statement to be
quick witted and a clever “play on words” which 1poet is so well known for,
you found it to be a sincere plea. I suppose we will have to wait on 1poet’s
reply for clarification, if he so chooses to enlighten us.

2) In regard to Brother Hookup, I find it very unsettling that you
would compare that particular banning to this one when there were distinct
differences in the cases. Also, I believe you know the true details of that
situation and that he was wrongfully banned for someone else’s actions. It
appears from your tone, you still believe him to have been guilty but you are
entitled to your own opinion. As it stands I don’t recall seeing Brother
Hookup poetically defecating (in flow) on other poet's poetry or calling
certain members such as Sister Swt-t or even Daroc (if I recall correctly)
out of their name. I think his behavior henceforth has spoken for itself,
objectively speaking. Personally, I think that part of your response should
have been made directly to him but since you mentioned it…..*shrugging
shoulders” :look:

3) Reamed…is a term often used to describe a harsh form of
disciplinary action. (perhaps this word was a bit too strong for you)


In short, I appreciate you taking the time to address my concerns although I
think the action taken against Madd is so long overdue that it is making a
mockery of the “Destee” Judicial system, for lack of a better way of putting
it.

As of now…I am taking ten steps back from this “Maddness” (and I am being
slightly, facetious here) for the sake of my own peace of mind.

I wish you guys the best of luck and a wealth of patience in your very
admirable endeavor in the conversion of this member, as I sincerely believe
you will need it and then some.


Again, Thanks... :heart:

Sister Angelic ... in an effort to be brief, which i'm not known for ...

I will simply thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us on this.

Much Love and Peace Sister.

:heart:

Destee

quick ?: when did the suspension rule start... was it always like that?

Sister Daroc ... it is something new we've implemented recently, in an attempt to get the attention of those Members who refuse to take heed to our more gentle warnings.

Because it is new, we are still feeling our way through exactly how it will work. We are not obligated to give a Member a "2 Week Ban." There will be those that are banned immediately and permanently, depending on what the Moderating Team decides. There are some situations that warrant this. For example, a person just joining us and spamming the community with curse words (or the N word, or something similar), will not get the "2 Week Ban" consideration.

Thus far, the "2 Week Ban" has been used on long time, valued Members, who we believe enjoy being a part of this community, but have had trouble adjusting to our rules. We want these Members with us, but can't afford to let them break the peace, rules, etc. ... so we had to do something ... had to get a little tougher.

As i said in my previous post in this thread, none of us have ever managed a community of this size (that is continually growing). We don't know for sure, exactly what will and won't work, so we're testing things out ... if this doesn't work, then we'll try other things, until we find something that does.

While it may appear easy to manage this community, it is not. Having to try and find the balance amongst 7000+ individuals, personalities, opinions, etc. ... whew ... and bring peace to as many of them as possible, while offending none ... Sister Sister Sister! :)

But God is Good ... everyone, for the most part, tries to help lift the other up, encourage the other, give love to the other, and be patient with the other ... so as difficult as it may be, it is not as difficult as it could be. I appreciate you all for helping in this manner. Thank you.

Yes Sister Daroc, this is new and we welcome your suggestions and ideas on how we can do better. As a matter of fact, i just created a new thread where every Member is encouraged to share their suggestions on how we can manage the community better ... it is called ... "Management Suggestions (http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31792)." Please post to it if you have ideas on how we can maintain the peace we've been blessed with.

If you or anyone has more questions, please feel free to ask them.

Much Love and Peace Family.

:heart:

Destee

:bully:

Well I will go on record saying this......... I'm not Madd he is gone because he throws way toomuch disrespect around in this house and he has been doing it for 2 long also. I also don't believe that a vacation will change his ways because he is hell bent on being the same Madd as he has always been. His freedom of speech I respect but this house has rules and he breaks them alot.

"You cant teach a old dog new tricks"

Don't get me wrong family he is a Old School member and has been here longer than alot of us but then again nobody forces him to act the way he acts on this board and the fact he keeps it up is just like a smack in the face at times..... Just keeping It Real :peace:

As everyone knows, Madd asked for this "time out". Rereading info-moetry's response, I think this part in particular shows much wisdom:
"Now that he has been kicked out of the garden and sent to the land of Nod, it is not what he will do upon his return across the hot sands, but rather will we still be united and patient enough to build with our young brotha to steer him away from his mischief......."
We shall see.

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****....U ARE DEALING WITH SOME REAL GANGSTERS HERE.....POETSTERS..ACTUALLY....BE SURE TO SHOW LOVE ,AND U WILL RECIEVE IT...IF NOT,U WILL BE GIVEN A WARNING...NEXT,A SUSPENSION.....
AFTER THAT,WELL,WE ALL KNOW HOW THE THIRD STRIKE GOES.....TRUST ME,U DONT WANT TO SLEEP WITH THE FISHES.....CAUSE THAS WHERE I COME IN......YES SIR......

****....U ARE DEALING WITH SOME REAL GANGSTERS HERE.....POETSTERS..ACTUALLY....BE SURE TO SHOW LOVE ,AND U WILL RECIEVE IT...IF NOT,U WILL BE GIVEN A WARNING...NEXT,A SUSPENSION.....
AFTER THAT,WELL,WE ALL KNOW HOW THE THIRD STRIKE GOES.....TRUST ME,U DONT WANT TO SLEEP WITH THE FISHES.....CAUSE THAS WHERE I COME IN......YES SIR......

Lurk: Are you all right, bruh? QQn

This thread was started 4 months ago. The last post before yours was in January. You're posting to it as if the thread was started yesterday. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As long as you are active on the forums, it's all good to me.

:D

i know......lol...i was just reading this the other day for the first time and it had me rollling!!! :spin: ......Destee is smoothe.....her aproach is ,"gangstuh"...
thas my only way to describe that....thas why i wrote that....i was more less just jokin around....being me.....i aint here to offend any1......hope i didnt....peace

Naw, bruh. You didn't offend anyone. It's all good.

Destee isn't gangstah. She's a creampuff. Just say boo...and she's out of there. :lol: :lol: :lol:

:kiss: ... don't make me man up Monetary ... :kiss:

:heart:

Destee

:kiss: ... don't make me man up Monetary

I'd rather you woman up...but hey, go for what you know. :D

I'd rather you woman up...but hey, go for what you know. :D

Destee's voice is too high for her to man up!

Destee's voice is too high for her to man up!

I know, bruh. But, I'll be rolling on the floor listening to her try...cuz you know the Sista is gonna try. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well I guess my question
Has been answered for the ban
I guess he never came back after this
Dont like his approach as far as opinions
Yet I love all of his work
I feel that people should be able to express themselves
Yet not in a way where it offends people
You are missed and I just started reading your work
So I dont know about the rest of the family
I would let him come back if he approached it the right way
Much Love MADD & All Of My Destee Poets

P.S. Destee You Such A Thug LOL

Madd had his set way .......

i miss MADD :cry:

:heart:

Destee

I too miss the brutha , but breaking the law & peace
has it's place sadly he fell in the hole.....................

Yo $$RICH$$ its funny you say that
I was doing a search on Destee
I came across a site that had her name in it
I went too it it was like a rap site
Madd was on there posting poetry
Yet everyone from this thread hated him
He talked about people I was like man
This Brother got some issues
Or he just likes the attention
It was an old thread like in 1993
Yet it caught my by suprise that it was him
I guess some people are set in there ways
Much love Brother $$RICH$$

Madd wasn't always this way he grew into a maddman instead
of the MaddRapper his poetry was based on hate when it once
was filled with madd Rapping and enlightment our home became
his attack zone so he found himself locked out a dream
yes he now have his set wayz that nolonger fit here.....................

Do you think Brother $$RICH$$ he was set in his ways
Or that the Brother had his own outlook on others threads
Is it improper to give suggestions??
To maybe give advice to other poets work??
I think if its done in a positive way
That the artist might learn something new
Or possibly vision something they didnt because
Of a suggestion!! Not too say disrespect cause
We dont want to go that route-Yet I think some feedback
Isnt bad at all-Maybe even make it an option in a thread
Where the poet can check for opinions for a perticular poem!!
Just my mind twerking a little!!

Brother Tantrum ... i don't think it's fair for us to continue discussing Brother MADD, and he's not able to respond.

This is an old issue, and basically serves as evidence of how we manage the community.

If you have questions, not discussing Brother MADD, please start another thread.

This one is closed.

:heart:

Destee