I would like to apologize to the Destee Family and anyone that I directly offended.

That does not mean that I will not have an opinion. I will in the future agree and disagree in a more appropriate manner that is conducive to the growth of the community as a whole.

For the brothers that are doing it... I LOVE YOU -- KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

I DO LOVE MY PEOPLE.

Thank you Sister IntuitioninMD ... :love:

:heart:

Destee

Thank you. This is a testament to the content of your character...and your womanhood.

I forgive you, my dear Sista.

:kiss:

:grouphug:

Thank you. This is a testament to the content of your character...and your womanhood.

I forgive you, my dear Sista.

:kiss:

:grouphug:


thanks Monetary

Thank you Sister IntuitioninMD ... :love:

:heart:

Destee

Destee.. No.. thank you...

that statement well taken and humble say it's accepted
may we rise now together sista Queen God Bless.......

that statement well taken and humble say it's accepted
may we rise now together sista Queen God Bless.......

thanks $$RICH$$

I would like to apologize to the Destee Family and anyone that I directly offended.

That does not mean that I will not have an opinion. I will in the future agree and disagree in a more appropriate manner that is conducive to the growth of the community as a whole.

For the brothers that are doing it... I LOVE YOU -- KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

I DO LOVE MY PEOPLE.

You may be able to fool Destee and some of the people here with your "I DO LOVE MY PEOPLE" mantra, but I don't buy it. One minute you're talking about 'leaving your people behind', now your proclaiming how much you "LOVE" them?? I don't think so!!!

I'm sorry, but I can/will not accept your apology. However, I welcome others who feel inclined to, to do so if they wish.


Peace.

Brother Emeka:

I don't know what caused IntuitioninMD to come into the family in the manner that she did. However she apologized (which most banned members refuse to do), and that apology was accepted by Destee herself. Right now no one is in a position to challenge this decision. If you can't bring yourself to forgive her, it is better to ignore her posts rather than to continue arguing against her.

I was never mad at ya! I accept your apology. You do have some great insight. To apologize too means you have no problem showing you are humble. Not saying you lack pride, you have that. :hearts2: It takes a special depth to apologize. Really it does. Thank You for doing so. Again welcome to Destee. Write on sister.

Brother Emeka:

I don't know what caused IntuitioninMD to come into the family in the manner that she did. However she apologized (which most banned members refuse to do), and that apology was accepted by Destee herself. Right now no one is in a position to challenge this decision. If you can't bring yourself to forgive her, it is better to ignore her posts rather than to continue arguing against her.

Ok Pan, I hear you, but listen to what it is I'm trying to say. Here, you have a member who (if you read most of her posts here) has revealed her self to be an enemy of her people. It took her banishment (after disrespecting many posters here) for her to see the errors of her ways. But my issue is that this is setting a precedent which establishes that a person can come here disrespect anybody, then "apologize" (or at least pretend to do so) and get away with it.

The problem with Black people is that we are too quick to forgive and forget the wrongs done by our enemies (whether they are internal or external). We have been doing this for far too long; we have to draw an indelible line in the sand and say 'if you cross this line and go over to the other side, you can never return to us, but will be unmercifully destroyed like the scum you are'. Only when we get to THIS level of consciousness will there be unity amongst us!!!

However, I do no know that my warnings will not be heeded, as is consistent in all Black history. You know, historically, whenever Blacks would debate whether or not to admit Whites into their communities (or their mixed offspring’s), there would always be two ideological camps, such as there is now. The first camp would be made up of those who (like me) believed that the foreigners were our natural enemies and must be destroyed out of necessity, whilst we still had the chance. Where as the second camp would consist of those who believed that people could change; that it was possible for a man to be your enemy one day and your friend the next. Therefore the second group would always advocate for 'trying to get know' the strangers, while the first wanted to eliminate them. Since it is more ideal to forgive and forget past injuries than it is to avenge them (which is a more violent and inhumane undertaking), those of the second group would always win the argument over their counterparts. And thus, our enemies would be permitted to enter unguarded, and our civilization would be destroyed.


Peace.

Wow Brother Emeka! You really went there! You mean to tell me if someone goes against the grain of the majority, then we should banish them into exile?
Even if that persons inexperience or experience has caused them to feel a certain way?

You have never felt negative about something and then realize that your interpertation was flawed? Wow! you are truly an amazing person! Unfortunatly, we all arent blessed with the gift to always make accurate judgements.

I hear that! If you aint for me then you are against me. Just Forget about why you aint for me or what have you done to make me be against you. This community is about bringing us together not killing off everybody that has different views. LOL Its about learning from each other. And sometimes we will have to be patient and understanding. We shouldn't just throw all the babies out with the dirty bath water. Let us atleast try to clean that baby up and see why that water was so dirty. If the baby don't want no bath and love all that dirt, then thats a different story. Not all of us are as conscious as you but some of us are willing to reach that awareness. We are taking baby steps and trying to get there.

Please Brother! lets try to unify before we continue dividing. We already know what that division is doing for us. Forgiveness doesn't always end with regret. And who said, if you forgive someone, that you forgotton the past?
Cant you not forgive and still be watchful for signs of past actions?

Brother Emeka ... it is so ironic to read what you've said ... you obviously have no idea that there have been others that have asked for you to be banned, that have pointed out to me your breaking of our rules, ignoring many warnings, and have even said that the apology you gave was not sufficient and that you should receive a more harsh punishment (up to and including being banned) ... they even went as far as to say the very things you are saying when your failure to comply with our rules was being discussed ... they said, why have rules if i'm going to let folk break them, why have Moderators if Members are not required to do what they say. Almost every word that you've shared in regard to this Sister, has been said to me about you ... the only difference is that this is being discussed publicly, where those conversations were held privately.

You have broke our rules, caused disruptions, have been disrespectful to other Members, yet i have defended your being here, just as i am defending this Sister. I have defended many, that others have asked to be banned, some who have actually turned completely around and are now "upstanding" citizens in this community. I have gone against those who wanted folk banned, in an effort to show by example what is needed for us to come together, patience, love and understanding. I have had to point out to others your positive contributions here and why i value you so much.

Yes, we have rules, and they are meant to be abided by, but managing a community of this size, with so many varying opinions and experiences, is not easy (though it may appear that way). When dealing with our people, we can't always be so hard, rigid, and unyielding. Sometimes we must take all things into consideration, look at the whole picture, and deal with each situation on an individual basis. We have that option here. Even when we do this, errors can still be made, but it is my hope that we always lean in favor of the Member. To give every Sister and Brother a chance to be a part of this community, to not kick anyone out unless we simply have no choice.

I value your opinions here. I value the Spirit and wisdom that you bring to this community, i always have, yet you have not been one of the easiest Members to deal with. I've often wondered if my overlooking some of your comments (that could easily be considered disrespectful) has led others to think they too can get away with this ... but i took that chance because i do value you. Some risks are worth taking.

I don't believe we can afford to throw any away at this point, especially if they show a desire to build with us, in the Spirit that this community encourages. I say this often, and i'll say it again now, all of us have been wounded, all of us have issues we are trying to deal with. We don't even know how to talk to each other respectfully (consistently). We are quick to call each other out of our names. We have so much to learn, but how can we teach if we throw out those who want to learn.

Brother Emeka ... if i did as you suggest, being rigid and unyielding regarding the rules, you and many others would already be gone.

I don't say this to make you the topic of this discussion, or to highlight your "transgressions" in this community ... but to simply show you ... that my dealing with this Sister is quite consistent with the way that i try to deal with every Member. Giving everyone a chance to see the value here and rise to the levels that we have established. Sometimes that doesn't work and we have to ban folk, but it is usually after we've tried everything else ... gone the distance with that Member. It is rare that a banned Member is allowed back, but it has happened on more than this occasion.

I'm not prepared to change the way we do things now.

I do appreciate you and hope that you can recognize the challenge that i face in trying to provide a community where all of our Sisters and Brothers are welcomed. There aren't many places like this, in the whole wide world, online or off, so we are actually experiencing things that aren't being duplicated elsewhere. No blueprint to go by, no road map, just a bunch of Sisters and Brothers, from all over the world ... trying to live together peacefully. It is an ongoing, daily challenge, and it aint easy, trust me. So if i make some mistakes along the way, i hope you can forgive me, for i will always be doing what i believe is best for this community and every Member in it, all 6600+ of us.

Much Love and Peace

:heart:

Destee

Wow Brother Emeka! You really went there! You mean to tell me if someone goes against the grain of the majority, then we should banish them into exile?
Even if that persons inexperience or experience has caused them to feel a certain way?

Personal "inexperience" is not an excuse for betraying or attacking your people.

You have never felt negative about something and then realize that your interpertation was flawed? Wow! you are truly an amazing person! Unfortunatly, we all arent blessed with the gift to always make accurate judgements.

Yes, I am an amazing person; and yes we can not all make accurate judgments. However this does not mean those who go out of their way to attack their people, should be giving leniency. By showing mercy you set a standard to those who wish to commit even worse evil amongst their people.

I hear that! If you aint for me then you are against me. Just Forget about why you aint for me or what have you done to make me be against you. This community is about bringing us together not killing off everybody that has different views. LOL Its about learning from each other. And sometimes we will have to be patient and understanding. We shouldn't just throw all the babies out with the dirty bath water. Let us atleast try to clean that baby up and see why that water was so dirty. If the baby don't want no bath and love all that dirt, then thats a different story. Not all of us are as conscious as you but some of us are willing to reach that awareness. We are taking baby steps and trying to get there.

No, it is not about "learning from each other" or being "patient and understanding"; if you go against the family, you should—out of necessity—suffer the consequences!! End of discussion.

Please Brother! lets try to unify before we continue dividing. We already know what that division is doing for us. Forgiveness doesn't always end with regret. And who said, if you forgive someone, that you forgotton the past?
Cant you not forgive and still be watchful for signs of past actions?

You can not have unity until you eliminate those who wish to bring discord to the group. They are the ones who bring the divisions with them. Your statement that "Forgiveness doesn't always end with regret" may sometimes be true, but then it sometimes proves to be wrong. Since we can not tell whether events would prove the former to be true or the latter; we would be better off to prevent evil than to live in hope for good.

Sister...personally even in all you very "interesting" replies to me...I was never offended... Rise above my sister

I do believe humility is a character trait of Queens and I applaud you my sista. May you be continually blessed and welcome back home :) :wave: :)

Brotha Emeka... :) Perhaps we can give sista Intuition a benefit of a doubt...yes? After all brotha...all that is real will always reappear in time. If our sister is sincere than who are we to assume otherwise. We truly dont know. I do understand what you have written but...maybe brotha :look: maybe we can try this again... you never know she may pleasently surprise you :) and if she does not lol well I will make the sign that says YOU WERE RIGHT and hang it in our cyber window. :read: whaddya say brotha... si usted puede? :read:

....again sista Intuition...peace and blessings to you and yours and welcome back gurl

Brother Emeka ... it is so ironic to read what you've said ... you obviously have no idea that there have been others that have asked for you to be banned, that have pointed out to me your breaking of our rules, ignoring many warnings, and have even said that the apology you gave was not sufficient and that you should receive a more harsh punishment (up to and including being banned) ... they even went as far as to say the very things you are saying when your failure to comply with our rules was being discussed ... they said, why have rules if i'm going to let folk break them, why have Moderators if Members are not required to do what they say. Almost every word that you've shared in regard to this Sister, has been said to me about you ... the only difference is that this is being discussed publicly, where those conversations were held privately.

You have broke our rules, caused disruptions, have been disrespectful to other Members, yet i have defended your being here, just as i am defending this Sister. I have defended many, that others have asked to be banned, some who have actually turned completely around and are now "upstanding" citizens in this community. I have gone against those who wanted folk banned, in an effort to show by example what is needed for us to come together, patience, love and understanding. I have had to point out to others your positive contributions here and why i value you so much.

Yes, we have rules, and they are meant to be abided by, but managing a community of this size, with so many varying opinions and experiences, is not easy (though it may appear that way). When dealing with our people, we can't always be so hard, rigid, and unyielding. Sometimes we must take all things into consideration, look at the whole picture, and deal with each situation on an individual basis. We have that option here. Even when we do this, errors can still be made, but it is my hope that we always lean in favor of the Member. To give every Sister and Brother a chance to be a part of this community, to not kick anyone out unless we simply have no choice.

I value your opinions here. I value the Spirit and wisdom that you bring to this community, i always have, yet you have not been one of the easiest Members to deal with. I've often wondered if my overlooking some of your comments (that could easily be considered disrespectful) has led others to think they too can get away with this ... but i took that chance because i do value you. Some risks are worth taking.

I don't believe we can afford to throw any away at this point, especially if they show a desire to build with us, in the Spirit that this community encourages. I say this often, and i'll say it again now, all of us have been wounded, all of us have issues we are trying to deal with. We don't even know how to talk to each other respectfully (consistently). We are quick to call each other out of our names. We have so much to learn, but how can we teach if we throw out those who want to learn.

Brother Emeka ... if i did as you suggest, being rigid and unyielding regarding the rules, you and many others would already be gone.

I don't say this to make you the topic of this discussion, or to highlight your "transgressions" in this community ... but to simply show you ... that my dealing with this Sister is quite consistent with the way that i try to deal with every Member. Giving everyone a chance to see the value here and rise to the levels that we have established. Sometimes that doesn't work and we have to ban folk, but it is usually after we've tried everything else ... gone the distance with that Member. It is rare that a banned Member is allowed back, but it has happened on more than this occasion.

I'm not prepared to change the way we do things now.

I do appreciate you and hope that you can recognize the challenge that i face in trying to provide a community where all of our Sisters and Brothers are welcomed. There aren't many places like this, in the whole wide world, online or off, so we are actually experiencing things that aren't being duplicated elsewhere. No blueprint to go by, no road map, just a bunch of Sisters and Brothers, from all over the world ... trying to live together peacefully. It is an ongoing, daily challenge, and it aint easy, trust me. So if i make some mistakes along the way, i hope you can forgive me, for i will always be doing what i believe is best for this community and every Member in it, all 6600+ of us.

Much Love and Peace

:heart:

Destee


Destee, you shall have no further objections from me. I am humbled by your response above; I shall not advocate for the removal of IntuitioninMD any further.

Peace and much love to you.

Frankly, I feel that when people have to apologize for stating their honest, albeit disagreeable, thoughts to this board, then we are in trouble... This is our sister regardless how she feels about brothers... Perhaps some brothers have actually given her good reason to feel the way she does... In that case, she doesn't need our validation of her feelings and experience...

I know I'd be mad repulsed by a group of folk who bascially said in so many word, "Isaiah, you're lying about your experiences..." "Isaiah, you shouldn't be so hurt by your experiences, brother.." Whaaaa???? Who died and made us GOD??? Apology accepted, but not necessary...

Peace!
Isaiah

You can not have unity until you eliminate those who wish to bring discord to the group. They are the ones who bring the divisions with them.

Brother Emeka, hopefully you do realize that if what you propose were acted on that you may be standing alone in the world because there will always be differences of opinion even among groups that are working toward the same goal. I shudder to think that we become so miopic or tunnel-visioned that we think there is only one way to arrive at any destination.

Sister Intuition....if you feel the need to offer the family an humble apology, then consider it accepted by me.

Let us not be afraid to explore who we are together and may we discover the truth and be in agreement!

Peace,
Queenie :spinstar:

Hmmmmmmmm? call me skeptical, I said she could stay, her 'apology'-she can keep. Anybody can call for banning me-if it is somebody's decision-so be it! Besides-I liked 'Yadira' better.

Hmmmmmmmm? call me skeptical, I said she could stay, her 'apology'-she can keep. Anybody can call for banning me-if it is somebody's decision-so be it! Besides-I liked 'Yadira' better.

Did you really like Yadira? Or did you like that picture, which really wasn't Yadira!

Sister...personally even in all you very "interesting" replies to me...I was never offended... Rise above my sister

back gurl

Thanks.. Triniti.. I do know better than that...

Once again I am sorry for that...

I do have it under BAD COMMUNICATION SKILLS TO ATTACK A PERSON rather than THEIR COMMENTS or OPINIONS. :) We may disagree or agree in the future but, I will not personally attack you or anyone else. Personal attacks are tacky. Truly personal attacks do go against my overall character. When people attack me - I usually try to bring them back around discussing the topic that is at hand.

Thanks Triniti

I usually feel the topics that I take part in are very important to me and our community.

Thanks.. Triniti.. I do know better than that...

Once again I am sorry for that...

I do have it under BAD COMMUNICATION SKILLS TO ATTACK A PERSON rather than THEIR COMMENTS or OPINIONS. :) We may disagree or agree in the future but, I will not personally attack you or anyone else. Personal attacks are tacky. Truly personal attacks do go against my overall character. When people attack me - I usually try to bring them back around discussing the topic that is at hand.

Thanks Triniti

I usually feel the topics that I take part in are very important to me and our community.

And again sister...I dont invalidate any of what you said...those were threads about your views...which is all good and well...you do you sister, just remember we are in this together :)

Though I will say it again sister I was not offended... I was more amused if anything gurl lol but again welcome back home...:) :wave: :)

Destee, you shall have no further objections from me. I am humbled by your response above; I shall not advocate for the removal of IntuitioninMD any further.

Peace and much love to you.

I Love You Brother Emeka !!! :love:

Thank you so very much for EVERYTHING!

:heart:

Destee

pan, not the pic or anything. Just that 'she' did not want to ingratiate and intuition does, which makes me WAAAAAY more suspicious. Just call me cynical. Heck, even then I wanted 'Yadira' to stay for
'entertainment purposes only', like intuition.

Yadira claimed to have been married to an African American man, so in reality, she did intergrate. Also for the record Yadira was never banned or asked to leave...she left on her own. Unfortunately she made this decision shortly before I "discovered" her deception. I would have loved to seen her reaction to my finding her picture on the web...now that was entertainment!

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23444

OK, then. hope you understood where I was coming from. I not into banning just for banning sake-unless somebody threatened bodily harm to another. Ban, then call the cops!!!!!

Brother Emeka ... it is so ironic to read what you've said ... you obviously have no idea that there have been others that have asked for you to be banned, that have pointed out to me your breaking of our rules, ignoring many warnings, and have even said that the apology you gave was not sufficient and that you should receive a more harsh punishment (up to and including being banned) ... they even went as far as to say the very things you are saying when your failure to comply with our rules was being discussed ... they said, why have rules if i'm going to let folk break them, why have Moderators if Members are not required to do what they say. Almost every word that you've shared in regard to this Sister, has been said to me about you ... the only difference is that this is being discussed publicly, where those conversations were held privately.

You have broke our rules, caused disruptions, have been disrespectful to other Members, yet i have defended your being here, just as i am defending this Sister. I have defended many, that others have asked to be banned, some who have actually turned completely around and are now "upstanding" citizens in this community. I have gone against those who wanted folk banned, in an effort to show by example what is needed for us to come together, patience, love and understanding. I have had to point out to others your positive contributions here and why i value you so much.

Yes, we have rules, and they are meant to be abided by, but managing a community of this size, with so many varying opinions and experiences, is not easy (though it may appear that way). When dealing with our people, we can't always be so hard, rigid, and unyielding. Sometimes we must take all things into consideration, look at the whole picture, and deal with each situation on an individual basis. We have that option here. Even when we do this, errors can still be made, but it is my hope that we always lean in favor of the Member. To give every Sister and Brother a chance to be a part of this community, to not kick anyone out unless we simply have no choice.

I value your opinions here. I value the Spirit and wisdom that you bring to this community, i always have, yet you have not been one of the easiest Members to deal with. I've often wondered if my overlooking some of your comments (that could easily be considered disrespectful) has led others to think they too can get away with this ... but i took that chance because i do value you. Some risks are worth taking.

I don't believe we can afford to throw any away at this point, especially if they show a desire to build with us, in the Spirit that this community encourages. I say this often, and i'll say it again now, all of us have been wounded, all of us have issues we are trying to deal with. We don't even know how to talk to each other respectfully (consistently). We are quick to call each other out of our names. We have so much to learn, but how can we teach if we throw out those who want to learn.

Brother Emeka ... if i did as you suggest, being rigid and unyielding regarding the rules, you and many others would already be gone.

I don't say this to make you the topic of this discussion, or to highlight your "transgressions" in this community ... but to simply show you ... that my dealing with this Sister is quite consistent with the way that i try to deal with every Member. Giving everyone a chance to see the value here and rise to the levels that we have established. Sometimes that doesn't work and we have to ban folk, but it is usually after we've tried everything else ... gone the distance with that Member. It is rare that a banned Member is allowed back, but it has happened on more than this occasion.

I'm not prepared to change the way we do things now.

I do appreciate you and hope that you can recognize the challenge that i face in trying to provide a community where all of our Sisters and Brothers are welcomed. There aren't many places like this, in the whole wide world, online or off, so we are actually experiencing things that aren't being duplicated elsewhere. No blueprint to go by, no road map, just a bunch of Sisters and Brothers, from all over the world ... trying to live together peacefully. It is an ongoing, daily challenge, and it aint easy, trust me. So if i make some mistakes along the way, i hope you can forgive me, for i will always be doing what i believe is best for this community and every Member in it, all 6600+ of us.

Much Love and Peace

:heart:

Destee

Destee, aint tryna blow no smoke, sista, but you really are a A Very Special Person, and I am glad that you didn't allow for no clique of the disgruntled and disenchanted to convince you to ban brother Emeka... I've had recent run-ins with the man, and find him somewhat overbearing at times, but that could actually be said of myself... That does not, however, count as a negative against him or myself... Sometimes when your passion is strong, it leads to being just a bit strong in your opinions... Knowing that, I think his passion is sorely needed, an serves as a mitigating factor overall...

I just wanted to say thanks for being a special human being Destee - and the check's slowly creepin' toward the mailbox, dig(smile!) Be easy, sista girl...

Peace!
Isaiah

I would like to apologize to the Destee Family and anyone that I directly offended.

That does not mean that I will not have an opinion. I will in the future agree and disagree in a more appropriate manner that is conducive to the growth of the community as a whole.

For the brothers that are doing it... I LOVE YOU -- KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

I DO LOVE MY PEOPLE.


Sister was not offended. I recognize your passion and the hurt you feel. Please continue express yourself. Might I suggest when you tear someone down have a way to build them back up. To many times we point fingers but don't offer solutions. know that when I say these things I speak of myself as well. So together :couple: let's be about the solution to the problem.

Peace Sister

Radical Faith

P.S. I admire your courage as well :toast:

:wave:WELCOME HOME SISTAH INTUITIONINMD !!! :hi:

Much... :grouphug:
Peace & Love
Akilah :spinstar:

I never said you were offensive, or thought you were offensive, and even of you were, What can I do? I truthfully found what you said amusing, because most of the people who I know that have LOTS of MONEY are like that, but they STILL have my respect - by the Grace of God. It is not my website, so there was nothing I can do, and I am glad that you stood up like a REAL woman and apologized for your actions. I am always in favor of someone who takes full responsibility for their actions.

Once again sistah!

Welcome To The Family!

Cedric Denson

I never said you were offensive, or thought you were offensive, and even of you were, What can I do? I truthfully found what you said amusing, because most of the people who I know that have LOTS of MONEY are like that, but they STILL have my respect - by the Grace of God. It is not my website, so there was nothing I can do, and I am glad that you stood up like a REAL woman and apologized for your actions. I am always in favor of someone who takes full responsibility for their actions.

Once again sistah!

Welcome To The Family!

Cedric Denson

thanks Cedric :)