what is a strong man a real man ??

how do you define man and his ability
is it written or was it the home teaching growing up?

what is the definition to your knowledge of man
and that they are so strong mentally / physically / spirtrually

is it a pride factor or ego to make believe that man is all this
or is it a mental thing that hold as man ???

Brotha Rich, is this directed to everyone? Or do you just want a male perspective?

i like to hear everyone point of view on it male and female

Well, as I ponder this, I am initially wondering about the differences between this question, and say, what makes a strong woman, or what makes a strong human being? You feel me? But, I do understand what you're getting at here Rich. This is what comes to my mind when I think of a strong man. A man who takes responsibility for his actions, be they right or wrong, without having to place the blame upon someone else if he is indeed wrong. Being able to get back up on his feet, even if he has to half step for a while to do it, after he has been knocked down. A man who tries his best to care for his family, not just financially, but spiritually. A man who usually has the best of intentions, even though they may indeed fall through sometimes. A man whose word actually means something, not just lip service. Doesn't mean perfection, no one is perfect, but intent means an awful lot. That's my view....

What is a real man, you ask?

Well firstly he should have an implacable urge to advance the position of his offspring’s to the nth degree! That means he must be willing to humanly possible, through what ever means necessary to ensure that not only will his immediate children achieve greatness, but even that of his descendent in the twentieth generation. He should naturally seek to dominate his surroundings and to be the master of every thing (Never the servant!!!). And thus must seek to be strong in every sphere humanly possible (i.e. physically, spiritual and mentally). He should love peace, but not be frightened of war. He should be with out mercy for his enemies, yet love his friends.

These are—in my opinion—only a few traits of REAL man; NOT crying/weeping at any given chances.

P.S. ego and pride in a man is EVERYTHING. What kind of a man has no ego? What kind of a man has no pride? A man with out these traits is like a body with out a soul; he is a ghost!!!

thankz sista watz i see your point as i put it all in perspective to fully see
great point of view .

brutha chukwuemeka......
very well taken point here and i must agree fully
it is also known that man take pride and let it lead them to destruction
with an ego so high but if man fuction and handle his pride it stands up
more by knowing when to give in to this pride and knowing that an ego
holds problems a strong man is also a weak man ...I know both of you
saying what do i mean .....

spiritrually man is powerful with physical beings but mentally i mean deep mentally
can be weak this may sound like a lie but it's really true there are men who
strongly stand proudly in pride and say i'm no way weak when there are facts
that they break in ways unknown to self a Real Man do stand and test the tides
hold his family and be all that you both stated
now i have to say a man do not or should not cry / weep about everything
in life or fel powerless but many men have broken down by millions of reasons
now did any of you know that a female is mentally strong then man
she can hold what man drops she hold a pride too but know how to work her
pride to manifest greatness and woman has been the builder of man

definition of man :: human being a manhood of body an adult considered
distinctive yet weaken mentally but stand as strong whole as a man
through inner pain man weep yet his emotion provide a pride that make him
as strong // man is weaker to wo-man whom bare all labor as man to sweat
by his braw // man to provide as man and hold unity.

is it that man forgotten that pride is to dignify there dignity
which states ::
state of beings worthy / honored or esteemed /formal reserve of manner
respected language or appearance .
Weakness of man is a strong point where man has failed

but i do agree what real man is and how you both define it
thank u

now did any of you know that a female is mentally strong then man
she can hold what man drops she hold a pride too but know how to work her
pride to manifest greatness and woman has been the builder of man

definition of man :: human being a manhood of body an adult considered
distinctive yet weaken mentally but stand as strong whole as a man
through inner pain man weep yet his emotion provide a pride that make him
as strong // man is weaker to wo-man whom bare all labor as man to sweat
by his braw // man to provide as man and hold unity.


I don't know if a woman is always mentally stronger than a man Rich. I think it depends on the woman, and the particular situation. But when the issue of pride comes up, yes, I have seen instances where men seem to get caught up in it, more so then women. I think this is where the whole issue of being each other's complement comes in. One being strong when the other cannot, one being understanding when the other cannot see the bigger picture. Being patient about the other's failings, and still remaining their number one fan even when the chips are down. I don't want to be too long winded, so much can be said on this topic brotha.

Hey,

I'd like to comment here. There is a difference between a strong man and a "real man." That term :real man: is traditionally a stereotype John Wayne kind of guy. This guy is cauht up in appearances and so he appears strong on the outside but he has a warped pride that won't let him do the things to be really strong on the inside. He will use his might to destroy his enemies because that makes him appear strong. true strength lies in the power to persude and win over ones enemies with love but he cannot bring himself to do that because it may make hime appear weak and of that he is deathly afraid.This is the "real man." A man whose ego is contolled by a multitude of inner fear that keep him from being tryly strong. We see him in the white suppremaist. We see him in the daydreams of Black men who forget who they are inside and desire the false outer strength of the white supremist.

A tryly strong man is everything that a "real man" is not.

Hey,

I'd like to comment here. There is a difference between a strong man and a "real man." That term :real man: is traditionally a stereotype John Wayne kind of guy. This guy is cauht up in appearances and so he appears strong on the outside but he has a warped pride that won't let him do the things to be really strong on the inside. He will use his might to destroy his enemies because that makes him appear strong. true strength lies in the power to persude and win over ones enemies with love but he cannot bring himself to do that because it may make hime appear weak and of that he is deathly afraid.This is the "real man." A man whose ego is contolled by a multitude of inner fear that keep him from being tryly strong. We see him in the white suppremaist. We see him in the daydreams of Black men who forget who they are inside and desire the false outer strength of the white supremist.

A tryly strong man is everything that a "real man" is not.

I’m sorry sister River but I have to disagree with this assessment of what a real/strong man is; especially the statement "true strength lies in the power to persuade and win over ones enemies with love". This is one of those beliefs that people delude themselves into falsely accepting to be true. If my enemy is raping my wife and beating my children senseless, should I win him over with love? I don't think so!! I would avenge the wrongs done to me and my family, which as a man (the protector and provider of the family) is my duty to fulfill. The White supremacist is not wrong in believing that it is his sacred duty to protect his blood (e.g. his offspring) and race. It is the Black man who is at fault, because he does not share a similar feeling for his own progeny! How come there are no Black supremacists (i.e. those who believe that the Black race must—out of necessity of blood, culture and history—become the masters over the White race? Ask yourself that, and you will see why the race is in its present condition, which it has been for many millennia.


Peace.

Peace to you brothah Chukwuemeka,

And you are right that in the case of overt violence when a cat is taping on your head with a piece of wood--brotherhood--no good.

However, I'm not so sure that we'd be better off if every man tried to conquer every other man. The Blaack man's problem is not so much that he desn't beat the crap out of the White man but the Black man simply has not shown wisdom in his dealings with the White man. We go for any foolish thing. Take the recent election.

yes river there is a differents between a strong man / real man !

strong man ::is one who leads foresay control by force of will and charactor
which say that strong man use what ever power to be right or controlling

Real man:: A head of household /Fatherly /protector hard working one who can
withstand pressure and come out with common solutions /understandable /provider
compassionate and knows one's venture and faults /bread winner /respectable

commonly men had the teaching from child to adult to be strong yet
motherly backing to be real as a man to self and others but men have
taken steps to use there pride to over power reality and truth mentally
and they safe keep it with an ego !

they both different as night and day
you can defeat an enemy with kindness but to act in cases with strong forces
sometime is needed as a man.... to me you both are right.

There is a significant difference between strong men and real men.

Strong men are those who use force to conquer and stay in control. These are usually those people who live their life based on what others say and think about them. In all actuality, these "strong" men are usually weak. When faced with situations wherein they cannot use their "strength" (their physical and mental capabilities), they always fail. They have nothing else to fall back on, nor do they know how to call for help. They are often blinded by their own pride that they walk right into destruction.

Real men are those who know and who aren't ashamed to call for help in times of trouble. They possess they greatest strength of all, spirtual strength. When their physical and mental strength runs out, they have their spiritual strength to fall back on. They are faithful and faithfully religious, whatever their religion may be. In times of adversity, they often use their spiritual strenth firstoff rather than to try to take on the task purely by themselves. They understand and fulfill their responsibilities. Not only that, they understand and know that you must have a support system and use it wisely.

Peace to you brothah Chukwuemeka,

And you are right that in the case of overt violence when a cat is taping on your head with a piece of wood--brotherhood--no good.

However, I'm not so sure that we'd be better off if every man tried to conquer every other man. The Black man's problem is not so much that he doesn't beat the crap out of the White man but the Black man simply has not shown wisdom in his dealings with the White man. We go for any foolish thing. Take the recent election.


River, I' m struck...and impressed by the response above!! But I would like you to explain this statement "The Black man's problem is not so much that he doesn't beat the crap out of the White man but the Black man simply has not shown wisdom in his dealings with the White man", so that I can reply.

There is a significant difference between strong men and real men.

Strong men are those who use force to conquer and stay in control. These are usually those people who live their life based on what others say and think about them. In all actuality, these "strong" men are usually weak. When faced with situations wherein they cannot use their "strength" (their physical and mental capabilities), they always fail. They have nothing else to fall back on, nor do they know how to call for help. They are often blinded by their own pride that they walk right into destruction.

Real men are those who know and who aren't ashamed to call for help in times of trouble. They possess they greatest strength of all, spirtual strength. When their physical and mental strength runs out, they have their spiritual strength to fall back on. They are faithful and faithfully religious, whatever their religion may be. In times of adversity, they often use their spiritual strenth firstoff rather than to try to take on the task purely by themselves. They understand and fulfill their responsibilities. Not only that, they understand and know that you must have a support system and use it wisely.

...In that case uniquelymade—based on your definition of what a strong/real man are—I would prefer to be a "strong" rather than a "real" man. For I too would rather "use force to conquer and stay in control" over others, than to suffer the indignity of being their equal (or worse). It is the men who are "strong" whom are the masters over those who are "real". Forget "spiritual strength" and all that other mumbo-jumbo; give me pure unadulterated (which can only come from being the STRONGEST) power!!!

uniquelymade ......that was a perfect way to express the differents
and i solo agree to the last drop let me say i love the fact to be in the
house of real men then to be a strong man , these are guys who truely
fail because they flex to control but yet see there weakness in being strong
but a real man touch base in every corner of a box strong and bully to take
the four side and become the loser to conquer is to win to point and shine
above the rest but yet the first to fall a real man holds his own and stand
much longer because it's real

so my question is can strong be more powerful then reality ????

i would say not real is reality strong is what one make self to be
and have to fight to keep that standard but real just what it is
and don't need any weapons such as power !

A man that is a physical presence that is towering in stature, a man that is a leader of men that wields his influence, a man that masters his environment with the wave of his hand, a man that has amassed a fortune and has purchasing power, a man that is the desire of all woman young and old will be seen as strong in the eyes of the world but when he is past his prime, weakens and dies how will he be seen before God? Will God say you have mastered the world in which I'v'e placed you well done my son. Or will God say you have been vain, arrogant and selfish. You have not heard my voice, you have resisted my spirit and disobeyed my commands. You have recieved your reward turn away from me I know you not.

Peace

Radical Faith

A man that is a physical presence that is towering in stature, a man that is a leader of men that wields his influence, a man that masters his environment with the wave of his hand, a man that has amassed a fortune and has purchasing power, a man that is the desire of all woman young and old will be seen as strong in the eyes of the world but when he is past his prime, weakens and dies how will he be seen before God? Will God say you have mastered the world in which placed you well done my son. Or will God say you have been vain, arrogant and selfish. You have not hear my voice, you have resisted my spirit and disobeyed my commands. You have recieved your reward turn away from me I know you not.

Peace

Radical Faith


So must a man remain meek and humble at the bottom of society, in the here and now, in hope that God will "reward" him in the next life? Is this what you believe that a "real" man should be about? I don't think so!!! It is better that a man remain "vain, arrogant and selfish" so that he may be of "towering...stature" and become the master of all before him. It is wrong that you (and many others here) believe that a real man is one that is sensitive and "spiritual". This kind of a man must and will be dominated over by, what you guys have termed, a strong man. I don't know why this fundamental fact is not clearer to everybody?

So must a man remain meek and humble at the bottom of society, in the here and now, in hope that God will "reward" him in the next life? Is this what you believe that a "real" man should be about? I don't think so!!! It is better that a man remain "vain, arrogant and selfish" so that he may be of "towering...stature" and become the master of all before him. It is wrong that you (and many others here) believe that a real man is one that is sensitive and "spiritual". This kind of a man must and will be dominated over by, what you guys have termed, a strong man. I don't know why this fundamental fact is not clearer to everybody?

I said nothing about being meek or lowly. I said if you are defined by things that will fade and perish then that is what your reward will be, to perish. Abundant life starts when a man's eyes are opened and you see beyond what is in front of your face. This only happens when a man is touched by God. When a man develops a relationship with God and God becomes his master than the things of this world become irrelevant. The man will say why should I have fear? If a man is Gods obedient servant than he lives by Gods authority and Gods purpose whatever it shall be then God will provide. This man shall fear no device of man because if it is God's will for him die than he will die by the will of God. A real man is a servant of God and a blessing to others. What won't the warrior have when he has defeated the world? What won't the rich man have when he has all the money in the world? What won't the whoremonger have when he has all the women all the world? What won't the King have when the world bows down before his feet? They all will have the world but they won't have the mercy of God.


Peace

Radical Faith

I said nothing about being meek or lowly. I said if you are defined by things that will fade and perish then that is what your reward will be, to perish. Abundant life starts when a man's eyes are opened and you see beyond what is in front of your face. This only happens when a man is touched by God. When a man develops a relationship with God and God becomes his master than the things of this world become irrelevant. The man will say why should I have fear? If a man is Gods obedient servant than he lives by Gods authority and Gods purpose whatever it shall be then God will provide. This man shall fear no device of man because if it is God's will for him die than he will die by the will of God. A real man is a servant of God and a blessing to others. What won't the warrior have when he has defeated the world? What won't the rich man have when he has all the money in the world? What won't the whoremonger have when he has all the women all the world? What won't the King have when the world bows down before his feet? Thye all will have the world but they won't have the mercy of God.


Peace

Radical Faith


Hahahahahahahaaha, "the mercy of God", huh? How nice (yet naive) it is of you to believe that "A real man is a servant of God and a blessing to others." The Black man has been the "servant" of God, and he is a "blessing to others"...as their slave. I would rather be the master and a king here on Earth, than to look to the after-life to recieve "mercy...and blessing". I would rather be the conqueror than the conquered; the rich, than poor; the whoremonger, than the whore-less; and the King, than slave!!! THIS is what a man should strive for, NOT your useless (no offense intended) "mercy...and blessing...of God."

radical faith .....you touch on some reality truth here i am one to believe this
and surely the mercy of God is not useless for it will be needed when time come
The true power and blessing of men is by GOD , so many fall short of this manly
I agree Radical Faith !

There is a significant difference between strong men and real men.

Strong men are those who use force to conquer and stay in control. These are usually those people who live their life based on what others say and think about them. In all actuality, these "strong" men are usually weak. When faced with situations wherein they cannot use their "strength" (their physical and mental capabilities), they always fail. They have nothing else to fall back on, nor do they know how to call for help. They are often blinded by their own pride that they walk right into destruction.

Real men are those who know and who aren't ashamed to call for help in times of trouble. They possess they greatest strength of all, spirtual strength. When their physical and mental strength runs out, they have their spiritual strength to fall back on. They are faithful and faithfully religious, whatever their religion may be. In times of adversity, they often use their spiritual strenth firstoff rather than to try to take on the task purely by themselves. They understand and fulfill their responsibilities. Not only that, they understand and know that you must have a support system and use it wisely.
I agree with what you are saying as far as you are taking it but I'd like to take it even further by saying that a real man does not use his spiritual strength as merely something to fall back on in times of adversity. To stay health spiritual strength must be consistantly nourished. Just like if you want to be physically strong you don't reserve food as something to "fall back on" only when you are starving. You eat everyday sometimes even when you're not hungry you still eat because you know your body needs food.

The man who treats spiritual strength like a spare tire--something he only thinks about when he has a flat in his life--is on his way to becoming a real man. He is closer to the mark then the man who doesn't value spiritual strength at all but he still is not there yet.

The real man has gone to the next level. He consistantly nourishes his spiritual strength by being in regular communion with the source of that strength (his Creator) through prayer, fellowship with others who also value their spiritual strength, charity and study.

you know river......i have to fully agree with you a real man feed off his
spiritual strength that gives him the power to carry on task as a man to
fulfill the structure of his family /wife /children and surroundings with dignity
morals and respect as to a strong man who use manly strength to over power
command /control voice and stand as strong as man yet weakness loom for
lack of spiritual soulful power .
Thankz for sharing truth & light of a real man .

Hahahahahahahaaha, "the mercy of God", huh? How nice (yet naive) it is of you to believe that "A real man is a servant of God and a blessing to others." The Black man has been the "servant" of God, and he is a "blessing to others"...as their slave. I would rather be the master and a king here on Earth, than to look to the after-life to recieve "mercy...and blessing". I would rather be the conqueror than the conquered; the rich, than poor; the whoremonger, than the whore-less; and the King, than slave!!! THIS is what a man should strive for, NOT your useless (no offense intended) "mercy...and blessing...of God."

A man can do nothing unless God allows. Nothing can happen to a servant of God unless it's God's will. When you understand this you'll be free of the bondage that the world has on you and you will receive your reward right then and there. God never said to be his servant means you will not be a leader of men or have abundant wealth or you will not enjoy the love of a woman. My point is what do you want more? When you understand this the victory shall be yours.


Peace Brother

Radical Faith

you know river......i have to fully agree with you a real man feed off his
spiritual strength that gives him the power to carry on task as a man to
fulfill the structure of his family /wife /children and surroundings with dignity
morals and respect as to a strong man who use manly strength to over power
command /control voice and stand as strong as man yet weakness loom for
lack of spiritual soulful power .
Thankz for sharing truth & light of a real man .
Hey Rich,

I like what you said that "weakness looms" for the strong man whose strength does not come from his spiritual connection to God. He is like a rechargeable battery. Okay for a while but in trouble if he does not remember the true source of his power and return regularly.

...In that case uniquelymade—based on your definition of what a strong/real man are—I would prefer to be a "strong" rather than a "real" man. For I too would rather "use force to conquer and stay in control" over others, than to suffer the indignity of being their equal (or worse). It is the men who are "strong" whom are the masters over those who are "real". Forget "spiritual strength" and all that other mumbo-jumbo; give me pure unadulterated (which can only come from being the STRONGEST) power!!!
This is what I was talking about. The strong man rules only over the foolish man.

“Proverbs 1:17
Surely, in vain the net is spread In the sight of any bird;
”

So much of the power the White man has over the Black man is because the Blak man has failed to watch, and understand the goals of the White man. If we do not turn away to the optical illusion of shiny things and the appearance of wealth we will not live under the big toe of any man no matter how meek we may be

The wise man rules over the strong man. The man who does not value spiritual strength but puts all his eggs in the conquer or be conquered basket forgets the first law of combat--if your enemy is within range so are you. Vanity, arrogance a towering stature that rests on force will blind the strong man and make him feel invincible when he is not--safe when he is one step away from destruction. The strong man walks around with a bull’s eye on his back. In his quest for dominance he will destroy someone or something that is precious to someone close to him who has access to his back--someone that he trusts. He may know this. He may know that he cannot sleep with both eyes closed not even in his own home. Or he may not know it because he trusts no one and thinks no one can touch him. The price one must pay to reach that point is enormous. Like the Man said what profit is it to gain the whole world and lose your own soul?

indeed river indeed one must revisit daily to uphold the true strength as man
spiritually as well mentally to over come the mental guiding of a strong man
who will wilt in weakness before he can defeat da mission what seem of greatness
is the biggest of weakness

REAL MAN ~vs~ STRONG MAN
same meaning different results
truely the real man will be left standing by his morals and spiritual principals
to everlasting as the strong man wilts with lost deeds .

:nightowl: From the begining words make people and seperates us from (Beast). Ask yourself, What words am I made of, for there are all kinds of words,Good and Bad. "Man means Mind", and the body is a reflection of what goes on in the Mind. To be a male don't make you a man, there are "Boys" maskerading as men. "To be a man (Mind) means take-ing on responsibilities that only a man (Mind) who is fully developed mentaly can do". The scientist admit (Western) that we only use a small portion of our brain, that means the rest is going to waste or is being used by someone else who has a more developed Mind hence Weak-Mind. "The Mind Is a Terrible thing to waste" Brothers.

Sincerely

and i couldn't agree with you more here Moorfius
a true man is mentally strong for thinking of how to provide
care for his family /wife/girlfriend/children as so forth his home fronts
right today we have many boys dress as men with weakness of mindful
notions we also know that a true man mentally is in touch spiritually
thankz for sharing this info.

No we cannot leave out the mind. The body manipulates the physical world. The mind directs the body to manipulate that world intelligently and effectively. The spirit directs the mind to choose good effects. This is man and without any of these three that man is incomplete and either feckless or dangerous to others.?

yes river but this strong man stuff really a myth
it's three ways to be strong .
the foolish way , smelly way , and mentally way
the mind is the guider of the body that hold the spirit to manifest
into goodness and light as a man

a real man, is a man who respects himself enough to respect his woman.
a real man, cherishes his mother, and sees her as his rolemodel.
a real man, never follows the footsteps of others, when he knows their intentions are unjust!
a real man, stands for his family, in the hardest of times!
a real man, is not defined by the size of his muscles or by the strength of abs!
a real man, sticks to his religion, when the world runs bad!
and so on, and so forth.

just a plainrhythm definition of a real man!

I must add that was a very good one too ....
but mental power to ova take another is not what makes a strong real man
but what you stated above make a real man 100% correct
thankz for sharing what a real man is .

This is what I was talking about. The strong man rules only over the foolish man.

“Proverbs 1:17
Surely, in vain the net is spread In the sight of any bird;
”

No, the strong man rules over the weak man (i.e. the "real man"). The foolish man is a fool...he was born to serve!!

So much of the power the White man has over the Black man is because the Black man has failed to watch, and understand the goals of the White man. If we do not turn away to the optical illusion of shiny things and the appearance of wealth we will not live under the big toe of any man no matter how meek we may be

Yes, you’re right…the power of the White man does originate from the fact that the "Black man has failed to watch, and understand the goals of the White man." The White man's creed is simple; in any society which he is in, he must always be the master. Thus, he will rape, kill and destroy any civilization or people to ensure and fulfill this creed. The Black man has not understood this, nor has he adopted this philosophy, and so he continues to serve where ever he may be.

The wise man rules over the strong man. The man who does not value spiritual strength but puts all his eggs in the conquer or be conquered basket forgets the first law of combat--if your enemy is within range so are you.

No my dear...you are wrong! It is the strong—out of necessity—who must rise to the rule over all (including the wise man). For if a man does not posses the strength or the will to defend himself against the ambitions of the strong; he must be subjugated and be made a slave to those who posses the strength to inflict such injuries upon. This is the law of nature...and she is a cruel mistress!!

Vanity, arrogance a towering stature that rests on force will blind the strong man and make him feel invincible when he is not--safe when he is one step away from destruction. The strong man walks around with a bull’s eye on his back.

Yes, but the weak/real man also carries a "bull’s eye on his back"; because he will always be a target for the strong. Since both will be a target (e.g. the strong man being envied by those with out power, and the real man being despised for his weakness) for others; is it not better to be strong, than it is to be weak?

In his quest for dominance he will destroy someone or something that is precious to someone close to him who has access to his back--someone that he trusts. He may know this. He may know that he cannot sleep with both eyes closed not even in his own home. Or he may not know it because he trusts no one and thinks no one can touch him. The price one must pay to reach that point is enormous. Like the Man said what profit is it to gain the whole world and lose your own soul?

Only a unwise man who does not plan for the future will become prey to the evils of others. For a prudent man will seek to harm people is such a way that he may not fear their vengence. He will take care to plan against the machinations of others, and if he is successful he will be master over the world. If he fails, he would have reached greater heights than lesser mortals.

I guess with it all not in stone it can be viewed in different ways
but i believe through life history a real man is a Family man one
who provide and cherish take care of home his wife / girlfriend children
work and hold faith in leadership as man , a real man also take time to
comfort feelings and understand a real man standz up for rights and
help keep peace know how to control anger /have honor & respect this
a real man to me .......

the rest just some power play thing mentally we all define a real man as what we
believe one is or how we see it so where do the real truth lay and who really know ??
they say it was spoken from the three wise men but never in stone so it sums to
what we think and how we was raised to be and what our parents instill in us all .....

Thankz everyone from there best of knowledge to define a real man ........

No, the strong man rules over the weak man (i.e. the "real man"). The foolish man is a fool...he was born to serve!!

Which man are you? I don't suppose you would categorize yourself as a real man. Now if you are a strong man, whom do you rule? I have seen you try to play the part of a strong man on this board without much success because most of the brothers here are real men and although they make no effort to rule over others they let no one rule over them.


Yes, you’re right…the power of the White man does originate from the fact that the "Black man has failed to watch, and understand the goals of the White man." The White man's creed is simple; in any society which he is in, he must always be the master. Thus, he will rape, kill and destroy any civilization or people to ensure and fulfill this creed. The Black man has not understood this, nor has he adopted this philosophy, and so he continues to serve where ever he may be.

It is not because he failed to adopt the ways of the white man that the black man serves the white man. As Dr. King said an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind. But I should not quote real men seeing you have no respect for such. A true understanding of the goals of the white man would keep the black man from playing a part in his own servitude. Without the part we ourselves have played the brute force of white oppression would have no lasting effect



No my dear...you are wrong! It is the strong—out of necessity—who must rise to the rule over all (including the wise man). For if a man does not posses the strength or the will to defend himself against the ambitions of the strong; he must be subjugated and be made a slave to those who posses the strength to inflict such injuries upon. This is the law of nature...and she is a cruel mistress!!


Our jails are full of men who followed the law of the jungle


Yes, but the weak/real man also carries a "bull’s eye on his back"; because he will always be a target for the strong. Since both will be a target (e.g. the strong man being envied by those with out power, and the real man being despised for his weakness) for others; is it not better to be strong, than it is to be weak?


A real man is sellldom weak. The bull's eye on a real man's back is a moving target. He has the inner strength to withstand and survive whatever darts the strong man aims at him. The strong man most often chooses a boomerang as his weapon of choice. The real/wise man has enough sense not to intercept this weapon with his own neck.


Only a unwise man who does not plan for the future will become prey to the evils of others. For a prudent man will seek to harm people is such a way that he may not fear their vengence. He will take care to plan against the machinations of others, and if he is successful he will be master over the world. If he fails, he would have reached greater heights than lesser mortals.

So Bush will never have to fear the vengeannnnnnnce of the Palestinians? He seems strong right now but this is an opticle illusion that is always ready to be shattered by some deranged lunatic whom you would call a strong man.

wow River you sum it up so well , i like the way you handle what a Real man is
to a strong foolish man yet weak mentally , so i guess the question is who is a
REAL MAN !? who is a STRONG MAN !? who be ruled or weaken to man ??

Which man are you? I don't suppose you would categorize yourself as a real man. Now if you are a strong man, whom do you rule? I have seen you try to play the part of a strong man on this board without much success because most of the brothers here are real men and although they make no effort to rule over others they let no one rule over them.

It is not because he failed to adopt the ways of the white man that the black man serves the white man. As Dr. King said an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind. But I should not quote real men seeing you have no respect for such. A true understanding of the goals of the white man would keep the black man from playing a part in his own servitude. Without the part we ourselves have played the brute force of white oppression would have no lasting effect


Our jails are full of men who followed the law of the jungle


A real man is sellldom weak. The bull's eye on a real man's back is a moving target. He has the inner strength to withstand and survive whatever darts the strong man aims at him. The strong man most often chooses a boomerang as his weapon of choice. The real/wise man has enough sense not to intercept this weapon with his own neck.


So Bush will never have to fear the vengeannnnnnnce of the Palestinians? He seems strong right now but this is an opticle illusion that is always ready to be shattered by some deranged lunatic whom you would call a strong man.



Right on RIVER!!! 'Ol boy was beginning to sicken me with all of his nonsense.
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I think that before anyone can really speak on this issue, they must first analyze themselves and define who they truly are. I believe it is imperative for one to know if he is strong, real, weak, etc. I'm not a man, though I think the same applies to women as well. Men aren't the only ones who have to take care of their responsibilities. I categorize myself to be as real as possible--I cannot honestly say that I'm "real" because as long as I still have life, there is yet much to learn.

My question is this: Would it be wise for a "real" man to be with a "real" woman and a "strong" man be with a "strong" woman? Or, should a "real" man be with a "strong" woman and vice versa? I know that in a relationship, one is supposed to step up where the other is lacking; and, if this concept isn't used extensively within that relationship, then it is bound to fail. So, does it really matter if one is "real" or "strong" and the other is/isn't?

uniquelymade....................
it really don't matter if they real or strong as long as the mates understand
and have a communication more times then none a real man always have a
strong back bone of a woman behind him surely everyone has a weakness
and thy mate will be the strenght the lacking force to him as well a man to
a woman he will be her backing support to make them less weaken i agree
men are not by far the only ones a woman worth is very high and as real as it get
what a woman take man can't but what a man endure a woman can't but together
as one force they is powerful and if mentally / spiritrually bonded they is strong as
ever under the temple of GOD , I won't say i don't know who i am or what i am
because i try hard to live and know that i am and stay on path of reality to what i
must do as man real or strong i never lable self as strong but i do feel as real
and i uphold the standard as a real man that has weak spots this don't make me
any less but show that i know who i am and what i am and i know there is inner
power to overcome any broken roads alone the way in life's road ahead

Real men take care of there family wife / girlfriend / children /sista / brutha
knows a woman worth works and hold morals / respect and honors a real man
knows when to flex his strength ability to endure / toughness to resist attacks
surely with a woman backing strengthen to become more stronger force mentally
which allow the power of knowledge & wisdom to be more effective but weakness
is part of being strong .....many will ask how is that !

weakness is a common breakdown mentally sometime physically but in this stage
it gives the spirit of the soul to become stronger using faith and will of the body to
absorb the pit fall / pain / and or setback through weakness you will become strong
out of strongness you will endure a weakness as an human being a child of GOD
and as man / wo-man
so a real man can be with a strong woman or a strong man can be with a strong woman
or a strong man can be with a real woman all of it sums up mainly the same it's the
soulful connection the understanding the communication as mate that makes all the
differents in the world .........know that everyone has a weakness i truely believe this
if someone don't i like to know how they become as strong as the creator .
peace within

Which man are you? I don't suppose you would categorize yourself as a real man. Now if you are a strong man, whom do you rule? I have seen you try to play the part of a strong man on this board without much success because most of the brothers here are real men and although they make no effort to rule over others they let no one rule over them.

What the F@#k?! Which man are YOU? Oh wait...I forgot...you're NOT even a man!! So what makes you an authority on what or who a man is? When you grow some testicoli between your legs, THEN we can have a discussion about what it takes to be a man

It is not because he failed to adopt the ways of the white man that the black man serves the white man. As Dr. King said an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind. But I should not quote real men seeing you have no respect for such. A true understanding of the goals of the white man would keep the black man from playing a part in his own servitude. Without the part we ourselves have played the brute force of white oppression would have no lasting effect

Yes, but the "part we ourselves have played ourselves have played" was the result of the fact that we have not adopted the ruthless mentality of our traducers. People just do not become self-hating, unless another people have vehemently victimized them.

Our jails are full of men who followed the law of the jungle

So, what has this got to do with anything? The fact that those men are in prison does not invalidate what I'm saying. Because they are forced to function in a system which only legitimizes and recognizes it's own use of strength.

A real man is sellldom weak. The bull's eye on a real man's back is a moving target. He has the inner strength to withstand and survive whatever darts the strong man aims at him. The strong man most often chooses a boomerang as his weapon of choice. The real/wise man has enough sense not to intercept this weapon with his own neck.

Okaaay, then...

So Bush will never have to fear the vengeannnnnnnce of the Palestinians? He seems strong right now but this is an opticle illusion that is always ready to be shattered by some deranged lunatic whom you would call a strong man.

Yes Bush will never have to fear any retaliation by the Palestinians or the Iraqi people. But what—I ask again—has this got to do with what we're talking about? What does "deranged lunatic", "optical illusion" and Bush have to do with what we're talking about? What the hell are you going on about?

Right on RIVER!!! 'Ol boy was beginning to sicken me with all of his nonsense.
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I don't have a problem with you supporting the views of River, but don't call what I say "nonsense". I have not insulted you, do not insult me.

End of discussion.

I have an announcement to make:

By all of these posts of opinion, I am proud to say that I discovered I am truly a REAL MAN!

Cedric Denson

I hear ya cedric .......glad i'm a real man as well now we know that
hope everyone else see it .................................................. ........

Cedric and Rich,

^^^^^5

I always knew you were.

Hey Everyone!

Oh i'm sorry, Destee, you are invited also.

:toast: AGAIN and :toast: AGAIN and :toast: AGAIN and :toast: AGAIN to all REAL MEN here and around the world!

Cedric Denson

Rich

I use to spend time asking myself this question too?

A REAL man is most of the things in my PLEASE FORGIVE ME! Mr. Black Man poem.

Mr. Black Man - PLEASE FORIGVE ME!
for expecting you to be
something that you are not.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for falling in love with you
undeserving and unconditionally.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for expecting you to understand
the complexities of accepting my love
or the simplicities of being a REAL MAN.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for giving up the P^&&y
knowing like credit that you can't afford to pay back
in my eyes - you will always be in debt to me.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for expecting you to be - not only something that you are not
BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN NEVER BE.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for believing in you
when you do not even believe in yourself.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for trying to take you
to this very SPIRITUAL PLAIN.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for insulting you because
of my wisdom and strength.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for wanting us to be a team
- together trying to find ways to save our BLACK RACE.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for not warning you enough
the dangerous woman I can be
if you keep on accepting my STUFF.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for feeling ashamed and embarrassed
to have loved you.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for acting like you have ever done anything for me
other than TAKING OFF YOUR CLOTHES.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
for trying to take you
from mental and emotional slavery.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
FOR SIMPLY LOVING YOU TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND HATING YOU FOR NOT TREATING ME LIKE A LADY!
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For me.. it is simple
Treat people how you want to be treated.
Never take - if you can't give.
For every action there is a reaction.

Men have a greater need to be respected and
WOmen have a greater need to be loved.

Know the basic and live by them.

i hear ya ................on point