The primordial Goddess of khemet is known by at least two names, notably Meht Urt and Maat. In the case of Meht Urt. or Great flood. As a Goddess of water she not only travelled on the water, taking the Sun God Ra with her, she was able to bring life giving "water" to Khemet. Let us pause here. Where have we heard the words travelling on the water before? Then we have the loaded statement, "bring life giving water".

The mundane meaning would naturally mean the flooding of the delta by the nile. But we must bear in mind. is that this physical phenomenon has it's origins and counterpart in the cosmos. The life giving waters also mean the complete and total transformation of the physical plane. From the physical to the non-material. This is the meaning of the celestial flood by Meht Urt. A final rebirth.

it is for this reason Meht Urt is called the mother of Ra., indeed the mother of all creation.

Now let's go to Maat. Over the last 2 to 3 millenia the scales of Maat have been tipped in favor of the masculine, causing the equilibrium to be destroyed on various levels. In the impending era, the water carrying principle, the feminine will usher in a radical inundation to extinguish the fires kindled by 2000 years of a male oriented logos, to begin to heal a parched land/khemet.

This is why Maat, as a Primordial Goddess was highly venerated by the Per Aa Akhenaten. Inspired by his mother the Great Queen Tiye and his subsequent succession as co-regent with his father, Amenhotep lll, he went about the work of "rebalancing" the temples and monuments up and down Hapi

During the 17 year reign of Akhenaten, there's that number again...17, the day of the month of the last day of the flood in the bible. hmmmmm. But anyway. during his reign, Maat held the same reverence and stature as Aten.

Akhenaten overstood the role of importance of the Great Goddess of Khemet and the black woman in general. No king or priest in the last 3000 years has done as much to restore the stature of the Goddess and black woman .

The Goddess will return. right alongside the God. let it be written so let it be done!

Maát is ethical principles collectively embracing the values of truth, justice, harmony, balance, cosmological order, reciprocity and propriety.

Personified as a goddess, Maát is depicted as a woman wearing an ostrich feather on her head, a symbol of the principles she represents. Controlling the movement of the stars and the seasonal flooding of the Nile River, Maát also had codes of tradition and customs. For all Egyptians to live in a happy, prosperous and peaceful environment, they had to live within the order established by Maát. The pharaoh, as absolute ruler, was the individual most responsible to manifest in life, through all his actions, the entire concept of Maát. Deviation from the tenets of Maát could prove disastrous for the pharaoh.

Maát was central to funerary practices in which if the deceased had been found to not have followed the concept of Maát during his life (if he had lied or cheated or killed or done anything against Maát) his heart was devoured by a demon (she was called Ammut -- Devouress of the Dead) and he died the final death. If the heart weighed the same as Maát, the deceased was allowed to go on to the afterlife. The heart of a person was considered the center of intellect and memory.This symbolic weighing of the heart against the feather of truth (Maát) was performed to established the righteousness of the deceased. The scale of Maát was balanced after the recitation of the 42 Declarations of Innocence or Admonitions of Maát from the tomb of a Nubian. Book of the Dead of Maiherperi):

This is to said before the Forty-two gods on reaching the Hall of the Two Truths so as to purge (name) of any sins committed and to see the face of every god:

The Judgment of the Dead
The Declaration of Innocence

Hail to you, great God, Lord of the Two Truths!
I have come to you, my Lord,
I was brought to see your beauty.
I know you, I know the names of the forty-two gods,
Who are with you in the Hall of the Two Truths,
Who live by warding off evildoers,
Who drink of their blood,
On that day of judging characters before Wennofer.
Lo, your name is "He-of-Two-Daughters,"
(And) "He-of-Maat's-Two-Eyes."
Lo, I come before you,
Bringing Maat to you,
Having repelled evil for you.1. I have not committed sin.
2. I have not committed robbery with violence.
3. I have not stolen.
4. I have not slain men and women.
5. I have not stolen grain.
6. I have not purloined offerings.
7. I have not stolen the property of God.
8. I have not uttered lies.
9. I have not carried away food.
10. I have not uttered curses.
11. I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.
12. I have made none to weep.
13. I have not eaten the heart.
14. I have not attacked any man.
15. I am not a man of deceit.
16. I have not stolen cultivated land.
17. I have not been an eavesdropper.
18. I have not slandered [no man].
19. I have not been angry without just cause.
20. I have not debauched the wife of any man.
21. I have not debauched the wife of [any] man.
22. I have not polluted myself.
23. I have terrorized none.
24. I have not transgressed [the law].
25. I have not been wroth.
26. I have not shut my ears to the words of truth.
27. I have not blasphemed.
28. I am not a man of violence.
29. I have not been a stirrer up of strife.
30. I have not acted with undue haste.
31. I have not pried into matters.
32. I have not multiplied my words in speaking.
33. I have wronged none, I have done no evil.
34. I have not worked witchcraft against the king.
35. I have never stopped [the flow of] water.
36. I have never raised my voice.
37. I have not cursed God.
38. I have not acted with arrogance.
39. I have not stolen the bread of the gods.
40. I have not carried away the khenfu cakes from the Spirits of the dead.
41. I have not snatched away the bread of the child, nor treated with contempt the god of my city.
42. I have not slain the cattle belonging to the god.

The Declaration to the Forty-two Gods

O Wide-of-stride who comes from On: I have not done evil.
O Flame-grasper who comes from Kheraha: I have not robbed.
O Long-nosed who comes from Khbmun: I have not coveted.
O Shadow-eater who comes from the cave: I have not stolen.
O Savage-faced who comes from Rostau: I have not killed people.
O Lion-Twins who come from heaven: I have not trimmed the measure.
O Flint-eyed who comes from Khem: I have not cheated.
O Fiery-one who comes backward: I have not stolen a god's property.
O Bone-smasher who comes from Hnes: I have not told lies.
O Flame-thrower who comes from Memphis: I have not seized food.
O Cave-dweller who comes from the west: I have not sulked.
O White-toothed who comes from Lakeland: I have not trespassed.
O Blood-eater who comes from slaughterplace: I have not slain sacred cattle.
O Entrall-eater who comes from the tribunal: I have not extorted.
O Lord of Maat who comes from Maaty: I have not stolen bread rations.
O Wanderer who comes from Bubastis: I have not spied.
O Pale-one who comes from On: I have not prattled.
O Villain who comes from Anjdty: I have contended only for my goods.
O Fiend who comes from slaughterhouse: I have not committed adultery.
O Examiner who comes from Min's temple: I have not defiled myself.
O Chief of the nobles who comes from Imu: I have not caused fear.
O Wrecker who comes from Huy: I have not trespassed.
O Disturber who comes from the sanctuary: I have not been violent.
O Child who comes from the nome of On: I have not been deaf to Maat.
O Foreteller who comes from Wensi: I have not quarreled.
O Bastet who comes from the shrine: I have not winked.
O Backward-faced who comes from the pit: I have not copulated with a boy.
O Flame-footed who comes from the dusk: I have not been false.
O Dark-one who comes from darkness: I have not reviled.
O Peace-bringer who comes from Sais: I have not been aggressive.
O Many-faced who comes from Djefet: I have not had a hasty heart.
O Accuser who comes from Utjen: I have not attacked and reviled a god.
O Horned-one who comes from Siut: I have not made many words.
O Nefertem who comes from Memphis: I have not sinned, I have not done wrong.
O Timeless-one who comes from Djedu: I have not made trouble.
O Willful-one who comes from Tjebu: I have not waded in water.
O Flowing-one who comes from Nun: I have not raised my voice.
O Commander of people who comes from his shrine: I have not cursed a god.
O Benefactor who comes from Huy: I have not been boastful.
O Nehebkau who comes from the city: I have not been haughty.
O High-of-head who comes from the cave: I have not wanted more than I had.
O Captor who comes from the graveyard: I have not cursed god in my town.

The students aim in ancient Kemet (Egypt) was for a person to become "One with God." The path to the development of god-like qualities was through the development of virtues. These virtues were sought by the Kemites (Egyptians) to become one with Maát (the cosmic order).

Control of thoughts;
Control of actions;
Devotion of purpose;
Have faith in the ability of your teacher to teach you the truth;
Have faith in yourself to assimilate the truth;
Have faith in yourself to wield the truth;
Be free from resentment under the experience of persecution;
Be free from resentment under the experience of wrong;
Cultivate the ability to distinguish between right and wrong; and
Cultivate the ability to distinguish between the real and the unreal



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Proverbs: Women, virtuous

12:4 A virtuous woman is a crown to her husband: but she that maketh ashamed is as rottenness in his bones.
14:1 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.
18:22 Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.
19:14 House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD.
31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
31:14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
31:15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
31:18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
31:19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
31:22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
31:24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
31:25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
31:30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.


HOLY MAMA OMEGA I SELASSIE I JAH RASTAFARI

Thanks for your replies fellahs.... I think.
But I would like someone to add to the central subject of the Goddess and it's relation to us as black people. What does it mean to you. Try to refrain from quoting from a book, let's here your personal experience and overstanding as to what she means to you. This is why included the legacy left by Akhenaten. What is the work that needs to be done to raise the black woman to status of African Goddess once again. I'm not looking to see what the bible says. This is the whole point in the thread

Thanks for your replies fellahs.... I think.
But I would like someone to add to the central subject of the Goddess and it's relation to us as black people. What does it mean to you. Try to refrain from quoting from a book, let's here your personal experience and overstanding as to what she means to you. This is why included the legacy left by Akhenaten. What is the work that needs to be done to raise the black woman to status of African Goddess once again. I'm not looking to see what the bible says. This is the whole point in the thread

The Goddess Principal needs to be upheld Empress, I know the first Trinity is Father, Son, Mother, the household, which is what has been destroyed, and have us seperated as man and woman (and child )to complete the one mission of life. sick men have been opressing the female presence in life, being 50% of God. God/Godess. they mash up the home, the mother is by herself, becomes weak, men by themself become weak, likewise with children. so we need to put our Black Woman back on their creational throne, treat her as the Queen by being examplifying a true King, I see it if we pick up our woman we will rise aswell. Blessed, Give thanks for the Black woman who walk with the dignity of a Godess. Men have to stop leading woman astray. Blessed

The Goddess Principal needs to be upheld Empress, I know the first Trinity is Father, Son, Mother, the household, which is what has been destroyed, and have us seperated as man and woman (and child )to complete the one mission of life. sick men have been opressing the female presence in life, being 50% of God. God/Godess. they mash up the home, the mother is by herself, becomes weak, men by themself become weak, likewise with children. so we need to put our Black Woman back on their creational throne, treat her as the Queen by being examplifying a true King, I see it if we pick up our woman we will rise aswell. Blessed, Give thanks for the Black woman who walk with the dignity of a Godess. Men have to stop leading woman astray. Blessed


Thank you for sharing that with us!

The primordial Goddess of khemet is known by at least two names, notably Meht Urt and Maat. In the case of Meht Urt. or Great flood. As a Goddess of water she not only travelled on the water, taking the Sun God Ra with her, she was able to bring life giving "water" to Khemet. Let us pause here. Where have we heard the words travelling on the water before? Then we have the loaded statement, "bring life giving water".

The mundane meaning would naturally mean the flooding of the delta by the nile. But we must bear in mind. is that this physical phenomenon has it's origins and counterpart in the cosmos. The life giving waters also mean the complete and total transformation of the physical plane. From the physical to the non-material. This is the meaning of the celestial flood by Meht Urt. A final rebirth.

it is for this reason Meht Urt is called the mother of Ra., indeed the mother of all creation.

Now let's go to Maat. Over the last 2 to 3 millenia the scales of Maat have been tipped in favor of the masculine, causing the equilibrium to be destroyed on various levels. In the impending era, the water carrying principle, the feminine will usher in a radical inundation to extinguish the fires kindled by 2000 years of a male oriented logos, to begin to heal a parched land/khemet.

This is why Maat, as a Primordial Goddess was highly venerated by the Per Aa Akhenaten. Inspired by his mother the Great Queen Tiye and his subsequent succession as co-regent with his father, Amenhotep lll, he went about the work of "rebalancing" the temples and monuments up and down Hapi

During the 17 year reign of Akhenaten, there's that number again...17, the day of the month of the last day of the flood in the bible. hmmmmm. But anyway. during his reign, Maat held the same reverence and stature as Aten.

Akhenaten overstood the role of importance of the Great Goddess of Khemet and the black woman in general. No king or priest in the last 3000 years has done as much to restore the stature of the Goddess and black woman .

The Goddess will return. right alongside the God. let it be written so let it be done!



According to the B.O.D. Maat was the wife of Thoth and the daughter of Ra.

The "Mother of Mothers" was the Goddess Neith (Nit, Net) who was the Mother of God Ra, thus the Grand-Mother of the Goddess Maat.

Peace

According to the B.O.D. Maat was the wife of Thoth and the daughter of Ra.

The "Mother of Mothers" was the Goddess Neith (Nit, Net) who was the Mother of God Ra, thus the Grand-Mother of the Goddess Maat.

Peace

The "Mother of Mothers" was the Goddess Neith (Nit,Net) who was the Mother of God Ra. thus the Grand-Mother of the Goddess Maat.

This is true, for some dynasties, not all.

This is true, for some dynasties, not all.


The same can be said for the worship of every "god" or "goddess" of ancient KMT.

The fact is NIT was recognized as the MOTHER of "RA" AND the MOTHER of "Maat" in PRE-DYNASTIC Khemet.

The same can be said for the worship of every "god" or "goddess" of ancient KMT.

The fact is NIT was recognized as the MOTHER of "RA" AND the MOTHER of "Maat" in PRE-DYNASTIC Khemet.

Agreed, and this was precisely my point :)

Agreed, and this was precisely my point :)


The more I study into this I am uncovering the multitude of errors which have been made in the fields of archaeology and "egyptology". Along with that, I am revising some beliefs as I go along in reference to the identity of the "Egyptians" and their racial characteristics.

Since the decline of the 13th Dynasty, prior to the Hyksos invasion, there was a 41 year period of CHAOS in Khemit. I believe that this period between the 15th and 17th dynasties was a time of internal division and KMT never fully recovered. I am looking closer at the Saite and Theban Recensions of the B.O. D.

It is evident that warring factions and competing seats of worship led to a situation that also resulted in the KMT decline in "spirituality", a period when newer "gods" replaced the ancient, primordial dieteis, and the original Preisthoods became usurped, along with the Royal lineage of "Ra".

I believe this is a major part of our problem TODAY. We are "disconnected" from our ORIGINAL ANCESTRAL SPIRITS and worship/honor a plethora of "Pretenders" in their stead.

History channel has had some very interesting programs on KMT the past few days and I can't help from watching and shaking my head.

Got me reading "Stolen Legacy" again, this time a lot more carefully.

The more I study into this I am uncovering the multitude of errors which have been made in the fields of archaeology and "egyptology". Along with that, I am revising some beliefs as I go along in reference to the identity of the "Egyptians" and their racial characteristics.

Since the decline of the 13th Dynasty, prior to the Hyksos invasion, there was a 41 year period of CHAOS in Khemit. I believe that this period between the 15th and 17th dynasties was a time of internal division and KMT never fully recovered. I am looking closer at the Saite and Theban Recensions of the B.O. D.

It is evident that warring factions and competing seats of worship led to a situation that also resulted in the KMT decline in "spirituality", a period when newer "gods" replaced the ancient, primordial dieteis, and the original Preisthoods became usurped, along with the Royal lineage of "Ra".

I believe this is a major part of our problem TODAY. We are "disconnected" from our ORIGINAL ANCESTRAL SPIRITS and worship/honor a plethora of "Pretenders" in their stead.

History channel has had some very interesting programs on KMT the past few days and I can't help from watching and shaking my head.

Got me reading "Stolen Legacy" again, this time a lot more carefully.


It is evident that warring factions and competing seats of worship led to a situation that also resulted in the KMT decline in "spirituality" and a period when newer 'gods replaced more ancient, primordial deities, and the original Priesthoods became usurped, along with the Royal lineage of "Ra"
:) you're on to something here brotha, the culmination of which occurred in the latter part of the 18th dynasty. However I wouldn't necessarily say that it was a case of newer gods supplanting primordial ones. As you know the primary Gods of Anu and Waset had become one in the synthesis of Amen-Ra.

However I do agree that this division had more to do with Ego and the manipulation of Spiritual forces for political and selfish gain.

:) you're on to something here brotha, the culmination of which occurred in the latter part of the 18th dynasty. However I wouldn't necessarily say that it was a case of newer gods supplanting primordial ones. As you know the primary Gods of Anu and Waset had become one in the synthesis of Amen-Ra.

However I do agree that this division had more to do with Ego and the manipulation of Spiritual forces for political and selfish gain.

"As you know the primary Gods of Anu and Waset had become one in the synthesis of Amen-Ra."

brother Sekhemu,

This is EXACTLY what I am having a problem with.

The worship and honor of the SON (patriarchy) replacing the Honor of the Mother, the Divine Mother, who was SELF-CREATED and preceeded the Son.

In the reckoning of TIME it symbolizes a disconnect and as a result..."Many of us dont KNOW "What time it is" (Think of what Flava Flav represented in PE)..

This form of Honor and Worship is ALIEN to our "Natural Balance" ("MAAT") in a RACE that is largely Matriarchial.

To be totally Honest, this is why I identify so closely with Akhenaten...He attempted to restore the role of the Wife-Queen-Mother in the Ritual/Worship as well as in the Rulership..importance of Nefertiti...problem was Akhenaten also gave in to the demands of minor wives (i.e. Kiya) which further disturbed the Balance he was attempting to restore...

And we ain't been right since...

"As you know the primary Gods of Anu and Waset had become one in the synthesis of Amen-Ra."

brother Sekhemu,

This is EXACTLY what I am having a problem with.

The worship and honor of the SON (patriarchy) replacing the Honor of the Mother, the Divine Mother, who was SELF-CREATED and preceeded the Son.

In the reckoning of TIME it symbolizes a disconnect and as a result..."Many of us dont KNOW "What time it is" (Think of what Flava Flav represented in PE)..

This form of Honor and Worship is ALIEN to our "Natural Balance" ("MAAT") in a RACE that is largely Matriarchial.

Indeed, this is precisely why I made the point that this was more about Ego than anything else.

In short, the Priest of Amen got too big for their britches. They forgot that it was the role of the King and Queen to ensure that the principles of Maat were carefully adhered to by ritual and statesmanship.

The Oracle of Amen became very powerful due to the fact it was based in Waset. Waset being the seat of Power for the 18th dynasty rulers who endowed the Temple of Amen with a vast amount of tribute from Asian conquest. This is where things began to go down hill. Kemet became more concerned with maintaining an empire rather than maintaining Maat.

To be totally Honest, this is why I identify so closely with Akhenaten...He attempted to restore the role of the Wife-Queen-Mother in the Ritual/Worship as well as in the Rulership..importance of Nefertiti...problem was Akhenaten also gave in to the demands of minor wives (i.e. Kiya) which further disturbed the Balance he was attempting to restore...

And we ain't been right since...

I agree with what you say about Akhenaten's role in restoring Khemet to the tenets of Maat and ritual worship, however I'm not too sure about his giving in to the demans of minor wives. We will have to agree to disagree on that one

I agree with what you say about Akhenaten's role in restoring Khemet to the tenets of Maat and ritual worship, however I'm not too sure about his giving in to the demans of minor wives. We will have to agree to disagree on that one

No problem.

The Goddess Principal needs to be upheld Empress, I know the first Trinity is Father, Son, Mother, the household, which is what has been destroyed, and have us seperated as man and woman (and child )to complete the one mission of life. sick men have been opressing the female presence in life, being 50% of God. God/Godess. they mash up the home, the mother is by herself, becomes weak, men by themself become weak, likewise with children. so we need to put our Black Woman back on their creational throne, treat her as the Queen by being examplifying a true King, I see it if we pick up our woman we will rise aswell. Blessed, Give thanks for the Black woman who walk with the dignity of a Godess. Men have to stop leading woman astray. Blessed
Is this not part of the answer? You have here a ttrinity where the woman is a Goddess but she has no female progeny to pass her sceptre to.

Those sistas out there running after thugs and shaking their tails on MTV are the daughters and granddaughters of Goddesses. Yet for this reason and that circumstance the mother Goddess did not pass on her legacy of divine strength and wisdom to the daughters who in our patriarchal society have become invisible.

Surely there must be a daughter in the divine family. Have we been so eager to hook up with the Christian idea of a trinity that we have left her out? In truth, based on the scriptures and legends of our African ancestors, did Heru reign alone? Was there indeed no daughter?

Is this not part of the answer? You have here a ttrinity where the woman is a Goddess but she has no female progeny to pass her sceptre to.

Those sistas out there running after thugs and shaking their tails on MTV are the daughters and granddaughters of Goddesses. Yet for this reason and that circumstance the mother Goddess did not pass on her legacy of divine strength and wisdom to the daughters who in our patriarchal society have become invisible.

Surely there must be a daughter in the divine family. Have we been so eager to hook up with the Christian idea of a trinity that we have left her out? In truth, based on the scriptures and legends of our African ancestors, did Heru reign alone? Was there indeed no daughter?

Excellent points.

As I've said before, there can be no God, without the Goddess

I'm not sure about the history of Akhenaten since what you guys are saying is in constrast to what I've found in my studies.

On pages 52 and 53 of An Afrocentric Guide to Spiritual Union Ra Un Nefer Amen tells us Akhenaten did indeed give into the demands of his white Babylonian wives which is why he changed his name from Amenhotep IV to Akhenaten. Aten was the Babylonian sun god. This is why egyptologist mistakenly use him as an excuse for saying the Kemau were polytheist because they rejected Akhenaten's attempt to make them worship Aten. but what he tried to introduce was not monotheism but monolatry and the Kemau rejected it in favor of their syntheism. As a result Kemet never recovered from the royal infiltration of these white women he brought in.

I will agree to disagree with you brotha Sek. In fact it's not about agreeing or disagreeing since I am just repeating what I read. The main point of your thread is not lost by this information.

Hotep

I am with you 100% !!! Anhknaten was a total sell out !!! In fact, it was under him that the priesthood gained "all this power and position" and when king Tut took the throne and tried to put things back the way they were, there was no way that the priest were going to give up their power or position...so we know what Tut's outcome had to be.

Anhknaton sold out our ancestor's nation, people, spiritual concepts and the status of the black woman when he decided he wanted strange kool aid from across the border instead of our own kool aid. White people uphold him as the father of monotheism...but what is that? We never had that concept before !! What our people practiced was more like Unitarianism where they were able to show the Unity of all things in creation. A concept that kept the Creator here on earth instead of in the sky.

A concept that allowed one to express, tap into and reveal the reality of the Divine on earth. Mother, Father and Child is more like it !!! History also reveals that a conflict between the matriarch and the patriarch among our ancestors had taken place before there ever was a Kemet. Our ancestors resolved it. It gained fresh blood with Moses, which was not his name anyway.

I'm not sure about the history of Akhenaten since what you guys are saying is in constrast to what I've found in my studies.

On pages 52 and 53 of An Afrocentric Guide to Spiritual Union Ra Un Nefer Amen tells us Akhenaten did indeed give into the demands of his white Babylonian wives which is why he changed his name from Amenhotep IV to Akhenaten. Aten was the Babylonian sun god. This is why egyptologist mistakenly use him as an excuse for saying the Kemau were polytheist because they rejected Akhenaten's attempt to make them worship Aten. but what he tried to introduce was not monotheism but monolatry and the Kemau rejected it in favor of their syntheism. As a result Kemet never recovered from the royal infiltration of these white women he brought in.

I will agree to disagree with you brotha Sek. In fact it's not about agreeing or disagreeing since I am just repeating what I read. The main point of your thread is not lost by this information.

Hotep

I'll have to disagree with Ra Un Nefer on this one.

I am with you 100% !!! Anhknaten was a total sell out !!! In fact, it was under him that the priesthood gained "all this power and position" and when king Tut took the throne and tried to put things back the way they were, there was no way that the priest were going to give up their power or position...so we know what Tut's outcome had to be.

Anhknaton sold out our ancestor's nation, people, spiritual concepts and the status of the black woman when he decided he wanted strange kool aid from across the border instead of our own kool aid. White people uphold him as the father of monotheism...but what is that? We never had that concept before !! What our people practiced was more like Unitarianism where they were able to show the Unity of all things in creation. A concept that kept the Creator here on earth instead of in the sky.

A concept that allowed one to express, tap into and reveal the reality of the Divine on earth. Mother, Father and Child is more like it !!! History also reveals that a conflict between the matriarch and the patriarch among our ancestors had taken place before there ever was a Kemet. Our ancestors resolved it. It gained fresh blood with Moses, which was not his name anyway.

I'll also have to respectfully disagree with you here brotha Keita.

I'm not sure about the history of Akhenaten since what you guys are saying is in constrast to what I've found in my studies.

On pages 52 and 53 of An Afrocentric Guide to Spiritual Union Ra Un Nefer Amen tells us Akhenaten did indeed give into the demands of his white Babylonian wives which is why he changed his name from Amenhotep IV to Akhenaten. Aten was the Babylonian sun god. This is why egyptologist mistakenly use him as an excuse for saying the Kemau were polytheist because they rejected Akhenaten's attempt to make them worship Aten. but what he tried to introduce was not monotheism but monolatry and the Kemau rejected it in favor of their syntheism. As a result Kemet never recovered from the royal infiltration of these white women he brought in.

I will agree to disagree with you brotha Sek. In fact it's not about agreeing or disagreeing since I am just repeating what I read. The main point of your thread is not lost by this information.

Hotep

Since I can not openly challenge the teaching of a Master all I can do is shake my head in amazement at this post.

I am quite sure that Amenhotep IV (i.e. Akhenaten) did not introduce into Khemet the worship of the "Aten". In fact, he was brought up in the worship of Aten by his father Amen-hetepIII who had construced a boat for his wife, Queen Tiyi and sailed across it during a festival (see the Jubilees) and the name of this boat was "Aten-neferu"..i.e. "The Beauties of Aten". Thus it is widely believed that "his love for Aten and hatred for Amen-Ra were due to his mother's influence."

Queen Tiye was a FULL-BLOODED AFRICAN FROM NUBIA!

:ohmy:

I am with you 100% !!! Anhknaten was a total sell out !!! In fact, it was under him that the priesthood gained "all this power and position" and when king Tut took the throne and tried to put things back the way they were, there was no way that the priest were going to give up their power or position...so we know what Tut's outcome had to be.

Anhknaton sold out our ancestor's nation, people, spiritual concepts and the status of the black woman when he decided he wanted strange kool aid from across the border instead of our own kool aid. White people uphold him as the father of monotheism...but what is that? We never had that concept before !! What our people practiced was more like Unitarianism where they were able to show the Unity of all things in creation. A concept that kept the Creator here on earth instead of in the sky.

A concept that allowed one to express, tap into and reveal the reality of the Divine on earth. Mother, Father and Child is more like it !!! History also reveals that a conflict between the matriarch and the patriarch among our ancestors had taken place before there ever was a Kemet. Our ancestors resolved it. It gained fresh blood with Moses, which was not his name anyway.


"A concept that kept the Creator on earth instead of in the sky."

*confused look*


It was the god SHU who was believed to have seperated the earth and the sky. His Mother NUT was the Sky Goddess. In the ENNEAD, the God RA (RE) trasversed the SKY daily in the SOLAR BARK, i.e. the TUAT.

This information is further explained in The Book Am-Tuat.

I would like to have specific references whih detail the Creator (Ra, Ptah) as being "kept on earth", particularly considering the belief in the KMT Ennead descending from the stars SAH and Septet, and particularly referencing the "ancestors" as the "Ashem that dwelleth within Aru"

I'll have to disagree with Ra Un Nefer on this one.
Returning to your original question: what in our heritage will help us to rise today? And you are right we must rise together - Gods and Godesses.

Keita has a point that the western idea of monotheism with which so many of us have been indoctrinated will make it hard for our people to understand and embrace the Kemetic pantheon. Since our goal is not indoctrination but education, not preaching a dogma but teaching a way of life, it would be much easier to focus on the ways Maat represents that life than to try to make people believe in Maat. compare this to the dogged way people believe in Jesus without showing the first sign of change in their life.

Returning to your original question: what in our heritage will help us to rise today? And you are right we must rise together - Gods and Godesses.

Keita has a point that the western idea of monotheism with which so many of us have been indoctrinated will make it hard for our people to understand and embrace the Kemetic pantheon. Since our goal is not indoctrination but education, not preaching a dogma but teaching a way of life, it would be much easier to focus on the ways Maat represents that life than to try to make people believe in Maat. compare this to the dogged way people believe in Jesus without showing the first sign of change in their life.

Since our goal is not indoctrination but education, not preaching a dogma but teaching a way of life Indeed. On the hand Christians and Muslims may construe the notion of teaching a way of life to that of constituting religion. But where there is a will there is a way.

it would be much easier to focus on the Maat represents that life than to try to make people believe in Maat Absolutely. Perhaps one of the best ways to accomplish this would be to illustrate the similiraties between the Tenets of Maat and some of the codes of conduct found in missionary religions.

The first step would be dialogue, on forums like this. Here is a place where we can start building bridges.

Indeed. On the hand Christians and Muslims may construe the notion of teaching a way of life to that of constituting religion. But where there is a will there is a way.

Absolutely. Perhaps one of the best ways to accomplish this would be to illustrate the similiraties between the Tenets of Maat and some of the codes of conduct found in missionary religions.

The first step would be dialogue, on forums like this. Here is a place where we can start building bridges.


Keep digging up the good stuff, Brotha Sek. While we may not agree with everything RUNA says he does have a wonderful way of bringing the Ennead home and showing the practical relavance to our spiritual growth. so look for some more from our Metu Neter discussion. Also principles from the Book of Going Forth By Day are worth sharing here.

I am with you 100% !!! Anhknaten was a total sell out !!! In fact, it was under him that the priesthood gained "all this power and position" and when king Tut took the throne and tried to put things back the way they were, there was no way that the priest were going to give up their power or position...so we know what Tut's outcome had to be.

Anhknaton sold out our ancestor's nation, people, spiritual concepts and the status of the black woman when he decided he wanted strange kool aid from across the border instead of our own kool aid. White people uphold him as the father of monotheism...but what is that? We never had that concept before !! What our people practiced was more like Unitarianism where they were able to show the Unity of all things in creation. A concept that kept the Creator here on earth instead of in the sky.

A concept that allowed one to express, tap into and reveal the reality of the Divine on earth. Mother, Father and Child is more like it !!! History also reveals that a conflict between the matriarch and the patriarch among our ancestors had taken place before there ever was a Kemet. Our ancestors resolved it. It gained fresh blood with Moses, which was not his name anyway.



I agree with you brother Keita. The people of Kamit believed Akhenaten was a mad man. So did most of his court that turned against his "religion" almost as soon as he was dead.


Just my $0.02............



Htp.u

The primordial Goddess of khemet is known by at least two names, notably Meht Urt and Maat. In the case of Meht Urt. or Great flood. As a Goddess of water she not only travelled on the water, taking the Sun God Ra with her, she was able to bring life giving "water" to Khemet. Let us pause here. Where have we heard the words travelling on the water before? Then we have the loaded statement, "bring life giving water". The mundane meaning would naturally mean the flooding of the delta by the nile. But we must bear in mind. is that this physical phenomenon has it's origins and counterpart in the cosmos. The life giving waters also mean the complete and total transformation of the physical plane. From the physical to the non-material. This is the meaning of the celestial flood by Meht Urt. A final rebirth.

it is for this reason Meht Urt is called the mother of Ra., indeed the mother of all creation.

Now let's go to Maat. Over the last 2 to 3 millenia the scales of Maat have been tipped in favor of the masculine, causing the equilibrium to be destroyed on various levels. In the impending era, the water carrying principle, the feminine will usher in a radical inundation to extinguish the fires kindled by 2000 years of a male oriented logos, to begin to heal a parched land/khemet.

This is why Maat, as a Primordial Goddess was highly venerated by the Per Aa Akhenaten. Inspired by his mother the Great Queen Tiye and his subsequent succession as co-regent with his father, Amenhotep lll, he went about the work of "rebalancing" the temples and monuments up and down Hapi

During the 17 year reign of Akhenaten, there's that number again...17, the day of the month of the last day of the flood in the bible. hmmmmm. But anyway. during his reign, Maat held the same reverence and stature as Aten.

Akhenaten overstood the role of importance of the Great Goddess of Khemet and the black woman in general. No king or priest in the last 3000 years has done as much to restore the stature of the Goddess and black woman .

The Goddess will return. right alongside the God. let it be written so let it be done!

Excellent points. Time is proving the accuracy of these statements.

CHAOS


My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us. <The shape of my star is> The Five Pointed Star, with a Circle in the Middle, & the circle is Red[.] My colour is black to the blind, but the blue & gold are seen of the seeing. Also I have a secret glory for them that love me. ---NUIT