The basics of Christian belief (both Catholic and Protestant) are that 1) Jesus died and was resurrected, 2) Jesus is God Incarnate, 3) Jesus performed miracles of healing, and 4) Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit form the Trinity of God. Modern evangelicals believe that these doctrines are fully supported by the Bible which is the revealed Word of God. If Skeptics argue otherwise, they are accused of warping the text or viewing it "in the wrong way". In this sense, Christianity is like a Rorshach test where if you do not see the butterfly, you are labeled crazy. However, when we examine the history of Christian belief, we find that it is the doctrines themselves which are warped.

The Resurrection
Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons, (140-202 A.D.) wrote a series of books which opposed the Gnostic movement in the early Church. These books provide great insight into the doctrinal disputes of his day. Gnostics are Christians who from the beginning rejected the Incarnation and the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ as fabrications. They followed Scriptures attributed to Phillip, Thomas, John and Peter, believing them to be the Word of God. According to the Gnostic teacher Basilides, "[Jesus] did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them." (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.XXIV .4 ) Other Gnostics believed that Jesus was released after his trial, never having bore a cross. Some traditions say that he lived to be over fifty years old and died a natural death.

God Incarnate or Adopted Son?
"About 320 A.D. there arose a great deal of controversy over whether or not Jesus was God Incarnate. A young presbyter named Arius contended that Jesus was the adopted Son of God and not equal to God at all. He pointed out that even Jesus Himself had said "the Father is Greater than I". The controversy became so heated that the emperor Constantine himself intervened and summoned a synod to Nicea in modern Turkey to settle the issue. Today, Arius' name is a byword for heresy, but when the controversy broke out there was no officially orthodox position and it was by no means certain why or even whether Arius was wrong. There was nothing new about this claim: Origen, whom both sides held in high esteem, had taught a similar doctrine" (Karen Armstrong, A History of God). At the Council of Nicea, the bishops wrote The Nicene Creed. It should be noted that these bishops only represented the christianity of the west, and the bishops of the east continued to contend that Jesus was created by God and therefore not God.

"By 359 AD Arianism had prevailed as the official faith of the empire" with the support of Constantius II. After the death of Constantius, the new Emporer Valens persecuted the Arians in order to clear the way for the return of the Nicene "orthodoxy" (Arianism, Microsoft Encarta). However, a reading of the chronology of the Arian controversy will illustrate that even after sixty years of violent debate, the issue was never finally settled. To this day, there are 22 million Christians in the Orthodox Church who reject the doctrine of the Incarnation. These include the Armenian, Coptic, Syrian and Ethiopian Churches (Eastern Church, Microsoft Encarta).

The Miracles of Jesus

Prior to the modern age, just about anyone could raise the dead or walk on water. Buddha is said to have cut himself to pieces with a sword and then come back to life. Apolonius of Tyana could cast out demons. The Emperor Vespasian healed the blind and the lame. When Joan of Arc passed by, dead infants yawned and came back to life. We can also mention Honi, Septimus Sevi, Caesar Augustus,the Baha'u'lah, Mohammed and hundreds more miracle-working saviors. How commonplace were miracle accounts in the Ancient Near East? Consider this: Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. How was the Virgin Mary born? Anna, her mother, was lamenting her barreness when an angel appeared to inform her that she shall bear a child and "thy progeny shall be spoken of in all the world" (The Protevangelion IV,1). You have to wonder how Anna was born.

Of all the Gospels written about Jesus, the most relevant is the Gospel of Thomas. Discovered in 1945, scholars date it about 50-70 A.D. making it the oldest and most reliable of all the gospels. "It is a collection of sayings used to instruct newly-baptized Christians. It appears to reflect an early form of Johannine preaching and probably came into being at about the same time as the Q document (the sayings source from which may scholars believe Matthew and Luke drew much of their material)". (The Gospel of Thomas and Christian Wisdom, Stevan L. Davies). According to tradition, the Gospel of Thomas was written by Judas Thomas the Twin who was the brother of Jesus. In this gospel, you will find no virgin births, no trinities, no miracles, and no resurrections. The only thing you find are the words of Jesus.

The writings of Paul also lack any mention of a virgin birth, trinity or bodily resurrection. Most scholars date Paul's writings earlier than any of the gospels. If early Christian traditions omitted these "essential" Christian beliefs, then it seems likely that they were later inventions.

The Canon

The Christian canon came about in much the same way as the doctrine of the Trinity - after hundreds of years of controversy and debate. The Catholic Church finally settled upon those texts thought to have the most authenticity of tradition. The Church historian, Eusebius of Caesaria, lists the books which were doubtful choices: Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Jude and Revelation. He also lists the revered Scriptures which were rejected by the Church as inauthentic: 1 Clement, The Shepherd of Hermas and The Didache.

Revelation was a particularly controversial choice. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "during the fourth and fifth centuries the tendency to exclude the Apocalypse [Revelation] from the list of sacred books continued to increase in the Syro-Palestinian churches. Eusebius [of Caesaria] expresses no definite opinion. He contents himself with the statement: "The Apocalypse is by some accepted among the canonical books but by others rejected" (Hist. Eccl., III, 25). St. Cyril of Jerusalem does not name it among the canonical books (Catech. IV, 33-36); nor does it occur on the list of the Synod of Laodicea, or on that of Gregory of Nazianzus. Perhaps the most telling argument against the apostolic authorship of the book is its omission from the Pe****o, the Syrian Vulgate." But notice the remarkable conclusion to the matter: "But although the authorities giving evidence against the authenticity of the Apocalypse deserve full consideration they cannot annul or impair the older and unanimous testimony of the churches."

The "unanimous" testimony of the churches includes the following statement by the Roman presbyter Caius: "But Cerinthus by means of revelations which he pretended were written by a great Apostle falsely pretended to wonderful things, asserting that after the resurrection there would be an earthly kingdom" (Hist. Eccl., III, 28) Caius is saying that Cerinthus, the Gnostic, forged the book of Revelation. Dionysius, bishop of Alexandria and a disciple of Origen, also asserted that Revelation was written by someone other than the Apostle John.

Even if we were to accept the Bible as containing the authentic teachings of the twelve apostles, our earliest manuscripts date about a hundred years after the original texts were written. How trustworthy are the copyists? Our modern New Testament contains copyist additions such as Mark 16:9-20. A reference to Jesus in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews (18.3.1) is such a blatant Chrisian forgery that even Christian scholars admit as much. Also, keep in mind that the same Christians that we are trusting with an accurate transmission of the Bible burned down whole libraries full of Gnostic Scriptures. Eusebius, the Church historian, confessed to being more concerned with spreading the Christian faith than recording history accurately.

Conclusion

Modern Christian doctrine, far from being a consensus on Christian belief, reflects only a minority viewpoint. Other Christian groups had different beliefs, different canons and different perspectives. Why was the Western Church so much more successful than its competitors? Neither Gnostics nor Orthodox Christians were very evangelical. But more importantly, the Catholic Church had the backing of the Emperor Constantine and used that power to persecute other Christians. The Catholic Church is also responsible for the destruction of libraries full of competing Scriptures. The fact of the matter is that Christians East and West are clinging to doctrines created by men. Jesus said, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,

'This people honors me with their lips,
But their hearts are far away from me.
But in vain do they worship me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'" Mark 7:6-7 (RSV)

Some prophecies do come true.

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*taking notes* :geek: Looks like i have a lot more reading to do, afterall.....

As a christian what I believe is 1) In the begin the Triune God create the physical and spiritual Universe and all there in. 2) God created man and woman together in his perfect image then separated them so that they may live independantly but still united as caretakers of his creation. 3) Man lost the perfect image of God when he chose his own desires (woman) than obediance to God. 4) Man was spiritual dead and was unknowly in alledgence with Satan. Man could no longer commune with God in the same way because his nature had changed. 5) The next 4000 or so years was spent preparing a way by phophets, kings, thieves, murderers, adulterers whoremongerers, drunkards, con artists, liars, generals and judges for man to become part of Gods family. 6) The ultimate atonement came in the form of Jesus the son part of the trinity of God or the body of God or the Word made flesh or God among us. 7) The importance of Jesus: A. The slaughter of Jesus' flesh was the atonement of the sins of mankind. B. To prove the existence of the living God by his presences, through miracles, teachings and testimony. C. To prove life after physical death by his triumphant resurrection. D. To commission men to build the kingdom of God by establishing his church to minister to the needs of mankind so that all mankind know salvation. E. To return to claim his people from the decaying world in the end. F. To cast Satan and his children into the abyss of eternal damnation.

The responsibility of the Church or the Body of Christ is to save the sinner, equip it's saints and to serve the poor. The Church has become subject to apostacy this is why for the most part the world is in the shape it is in. The Church doesn't minister like it should. The Church is afraid of the world. The Church has become seduced by the world. Who am I to say such things? I am the Church. If one member or one church or one conference don't do what do God commands than the whole body is corrupt. These things were phophesiied throught out the New Testiment. No one should be surprized.

The Bible is my authority. For those who don't believe I leave you with two scriptures.

Old Testiment

Hosea 4:6

6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

New Testiment

I Corinthians 2:14

14But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Peace

Radical Faith

; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.


Radical Faith


see thats what im talking about how can your christian values follow a book of scripture that says your kids :cuss: will pay for something u did....once again my point is proved.

i do believe in one god...but the bible and books like it are made you control people and make them feel bad about what ever the leader who wrote the book didnt like...and Christian belief is one religion that is really jacked up...to me ... :hearthis:

i do believe in one god...but the bible and books like it are made you control people and make them feel bad about what ever the leader who wrote the book didnt like...and Christian belief is one religion that is really jacked up...to me ... :hearthis:


I Must Say You Are Takeing Them To School . Deep . They Say Seeing Is Believeing . But When One Is Put Under The Spell Of Religion , Some Still Have Blinder On . To Tell The Truth It Almost Sad SomeTimes But Hey .
Again I Must Say Your On Point . Wondering How Many Are Going To ReSeacrh This Information ?????????????? :horse:

see thats what im talking about how can your christian values follow a book of scripture that says your kids :cuss: will pay for something u did....once again my point is proved.

No brother once again God's point is proven.

I Corinthians 2:10-15

10But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Meditate on this scripture and pray to God for understanding. It may take a while but if you don't resist God's spirit he will bring about true knowledge.
Remember it's not about us and our point of view but it's about God's will and divine purpose for us all.


Peace

Radical Faith

Every religion on earth will fall except those that believe in and honor YH (The GOD of the Old Testaments).


Zech:14:12: And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.


And that’s not a reference to the fake Jerusalem that exists today. It is a reference to the original one, the one in which most Africans were stolen from and made slaves to serve the heathen and their demonic religions.

All praise be to YH
All praise be to YH

Hello Music Producer :wave:

Missed ya Brother! Haven't read you around for a minute. How are ya? :?: :grouphug:

Hello Music Producer :wave:

Missed ya Brother! Haven't read you around for a minute. How are ya? :?: :grouphug:I’m doing good, how about you?
I kinda been moving away from the net, it has become a luxury expense taking away from the family so you will probably see less and less of me unless I’m at work. But you know how they are about visiting any sites that promote African knowledge so I will only pop in every so often. And that is also why I never became a premium member. I kinda felt the old lady wanted to nix Internet access, but we will see what she wants to do, until that time.

YH bless.

No brother once again God's point is proven.


Remember it's not about us and our point of view but it's about God's will and divine purpose for us all.


Peace

Radical Faith


u didnt adress what u quoted me on ...how do u know if god gave those who wrote the bible his words....those are word of man ....not god ...what did folks do before the bible was written ...3000 years after the death of christ....who was still alive ...those who walked and where taught by jesus where long dead....the writings they could not read so king james had them make up things to help him to govern the people....

u didnt adress what u quoted me on ...how do u know if god gave those who wrote the bible his words....those are word of man ....not god ...what did folks do before the bible was written ...3000 years after the death of christ....who was still alive ...those who walked and where taught by jesus where long dead....the writings they could not read so king james had them make up things to help him to govern the people....


I Corinthians 2:10-15

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


First Brother Let me start by saying what I'm about to explain is for your understanding only. Hopefully I can shed some let light on the subject. First let us understand who and what God is. First I must say no one knows everything about God because the idea of God is something we fully can't grasp. We shall explore what we do know about God. God is a spirit. God is the creator of everything that is known and things to come. God is all powerful. God is all knowing. God is all present. These are some powerful statements. How do we know them to be true? Well if you don't believe this then you must believe that we come from bateria that formed in the water by some stroke of chance and eventually we simply evolved to suit our environment and we will continue to evolve into what every the universe throws at us. Life is all we have and once it's over that's it. You'll be snuffed out like a cigarette butt. It's okay to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody and don't get caught. have as much fun as you can, do all the things you want to because it really doesn't get any better than this. If this is how you feel then you are a natural man. You understand the superfical reality of the world only. You can only understand what is perceived by the 5 sense in a 3 dimensional world. A God that is everywhere, all time for everyone is probably the most ridiculous thing anyone has ever come up with. People of faith are just like sheep being led to the slaughter and they're missing out on life.

You see brother this is how the natural man thinks. His spirit is dead therefore he will know nothing beyond his physical realm. So when he dies he will get what he asked for, nothing.

On the other hand the spirit man has the gift of discernment. His vision is not limited to what his physical eyes can see. The spiritual man doesn't live in fear. Spiritual man understands that the physical life is a stage a not the end. A spiritual man looks at scripture for the underlining meaning. The scriptures come alive and are relative to his life. The question of authenticity is never in question because of their relevancy. The spiritual man communes with God. The spiritual man is free.

So brother while the natural man is sees his world through prescription glasses the spiritual man looks at his world through a reflecting lense telescope and the foolish man looks at his world through a microscope.

So how does one become this spiritual man? It's simple one must go against every lustful desire and all logical reasoning despite criticism and take a leap of faith. This will make you a fool in the eyes of many but your judge will be God as the scripture says.


Peace

Radical Faith

is this about faith????



Faith is an unquestioned trust in God you receive by going to church, accepting what you are told from the pulpit, and of course, paying your dues. Any doubts or questions are considered as a lack of faith.

The Bible:
Persuasion that man is more than a physical entity and is part of a much larger and higher purpose. Even a minute amount of this belief will give mere humans supernatural power, making them capable of performing feats only limited by the level of belief itself. A tiny amount of this belief can allow a person to literally move mountains and gave the miracles of the first members of the church world great power. It is obvious that that persuasion comes form exposure to evidence given to man through an opening of the mind to these prrofs by God.

The word most often translated into 'faith', (223 out of 229 times in the NT), is pistis, pronounced pis'-tis, from peitho; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction.. The word of origin is peitho Pronounced pi'-tho a primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy, to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively, to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty):

This means that faith is belief based on evidence that persuades one to believe. Paul verifies this in his letter to the Hebrew church:

Faith is Proof
Faith Is Substance And Evidence.

· Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
The word evidence is translated from elegchos, pronounced el'-eng-khos; proof, conviction. This is consistent with the charge that we are to prove, literally put to the test, and approve all things before we accept them:
Prove all things.
· 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
· Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
In both the verses the word translated is dokimazo, pronounced dok-im-ad'-zo; to test (literally or figuratively); by implication, to approve.
· 2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Faith Is A Gift

· Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Proof Is Freely Given, If One Simply Looks For It.

· Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

How is it that a mere mortal can have the incredible power Jesus describes just by believing they have it? How powerful is a human being? Yhovah was very clear about the nature of man:
· Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

And when Yhovah became the human, Jesus, he repeated it, by quoting himself:
· John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Even though the Bible does say humans were made lower than the angels, does that mean this will be their permanent station?
· 1Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

From what the Bible presents, there is but one logical conclusion. Faith is the belief that humans are gods, created to be gods, by the creator God, Yhovah. If this is true, is it any wonder that Jesus said humans have the power to move mountains with just an infinitesimal amount of belief in such an awesome reality?
A complete review of all the verses that record the word faith will show that the above verses are not contradicted. Nowhere is it stated that one should not questions or test the evidence. Nowhere is it stated that faith is not the way the persons possessing it are persuaded. And it is shown that the increase in faith of the members of the first church gave them undeniable super-human power.

Faith Is Belief In God's Power

· Matthew 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
· 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
· Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
· 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
· 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
· 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
· 1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
· 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
· 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
· Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
· 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
· Ephesians 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
· 2 Thessalonians 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
· Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
· Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
· 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. 8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
· 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
· 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

Faith Comes From Learning

· Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
· Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
· 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Faith Can Give Unlimited Power

· Matthew 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
· 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
· 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. 22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
· Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
· Luke 8:25 And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.
17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. 6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
· Acts 6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. 8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.
· Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Faith Heals

· Matthew 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
· 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
· 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
· 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
· Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
· Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
· Acts 13:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
· James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Faith And The Law

· Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
· 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
· Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
· 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
· 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
· 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
· Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

any belief system that is learned from your slave master is part of the enslavement.
any religion that allows itself to be spread by slavery and conquest is, by definition, invalid.

Brother faith does not start in the church. There are many church members that have no faith and do what they do out of tradition. You must have faith before you enter the church. It's starts in the way much like what you are going through based upon your conversation. There is a longing to know something that does not have a simple answer. Faith is more about of what you feel. The first form of faith is learning to trust ourselves. We get vibes from all sort of things. You don't have a good vibe about Christianity and the Bible or organized religion for that matter. That's okay. There will come a defining moment in your life when you will know what you know because of what you feel not what someone has told you or what you have been taught. When you reach this point you will be sold on whatever it is you subscribe to and no one will be able to tell you different. The falicy with faith is if you believe the wrong thing than you will suffer in the long run. Problem is there is no real way of knowing other than what we feel. This is why it's important to develop an understanding and trust with yourself. Keep searching brother.

Peace

Radical Faith

No brother once again God's point is proven.

I Corinthians 2:10-15

10But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Meditate on this scripture and pray to God for understanding. It may take a while but if you don't resist God's spirit he will bring about true knowledge.
Remember it's not about us and our point of view but it's about God's will and divine purpose for us all.


Peace

Radical Faith
I don't understand..all this talk about how divine God is. Why is it that whenever wars are fought, they're always done in the name of God? I've not heard once a war started in the name of the Devil. Who is responsible for all the evil thats in the world today? Why is it that God allowed holymen to cause destuction to thousands of people in the name of God?

The Whole Crucifixion Story Was A Play Created By Joseph Flavius Piso , Which I Will Elaborate Further On Within The E mail . He God His Idea From The 2nd Psalms Written By A Chief Magician Upon Aigeleth Shahar A Psalm Of David They Call It '' Anguish And Praise '' They Refer To This As A Psalm Of David . Remember That The Psalms Were Revealed In Jerusalem To King David ...
( 73 Books ) Solomon ( 2Books ) And Asaph ( 12Books ) Koran ( 12 Books )Ethan
( 1Book ) Moses ( 1Book ) And Heman ( 1Book ) Around 1037 B.C.E. This Book Of Songs For What Psalms Mean . Consist Of 150 Different Songs Grouped Into Five Collections .
The First Collections; Psalm 1 - 41
The Second Collection ; Psalms 42 - 47
The Third Collection ; Psalsm 73 - 89
The Fourth Collection ; Psalsm 90 - 106 And
The Fifth Collections ; Psalsm 107 - 150
The Fact That The Book Of Psalms Is Broken Up Into The Five Scrolls Or Sections Is Why They HAave Been Called The Five Books Of David . You Have 5 Books Of The Old Testament Which Are What The Torah Is Made Out . Genesis , Exodus , Leviticus , Number , AndDeutrtonmomy , Then You Have These Psalms Broken Up Into Five Books Also And Many Different Authors Took Part In The WrittegOf These 150 Psalms . , All Of A Suddden This Story , Wich Daites Bacxk That Far . Ennds Up The Nrw Testamem Matthew 27 ; 46 Read Psalms Psalm 22 Yourself And You Will See It , And About The 9th Hour Jesus Cried With A Loud Voice Saying < '' Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani > That Is To Say My God My God Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me . Now This Was In The Book Of Matthews In The New Testament . The Book Of Matthews Was Reavealed In 41 A.D Called The Gospel Of The Good News According To Matthew Matthew Himself In The Bible , In Matthews Chapter 9 ; 9 Becomes A Contradiction . < Obviously By This Statement In Matthew 9 ; 9 Matthew Couldn't Have Written The Book Of Matthew Or The Quote Would Have Read He Saw Me , A Man Name Matthew . Matthew Was A Tax Collector Matthew 9 ; 9 . In Luke 5 ; 27 - 32 Matthew Threw A Banquet Or Party For Jesus , And This Is Before He Became One Of Jesus ' Disciples . Matthew 17 ; 24
That Is How Long This Event Was Found Of The Crucifixion And It Was Recorded By Someone Other Than Matthew . The Next Thing They Should Notice Is That Matthew 1 ; 1 Starts Off With A Lie Read It .... It Starts From That Point On And Gives You A Whole Line Of It Being Joseph Blood Line It Says MaTTHEW 1 ; 16



In Fact That Matthew Didn't Write The Book Himself , And The Time After The Actual Event That The Book Was Recorded Shows The Inconsistency Of Matthew Alone And How He Was Liar , My Point Being That These Writings Were Plagarized From The Hebraic Writings Of The 22 Psalms Which Begins '' My God My God Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me ? Make Note That When This Verse , From Psalms 22 Was Being Copied Or Plagarized For The New Testament Matthew 27 ; 46 .. They Intentionally Did Not Put The Full Verse In From Psalms 22; 1 .. And The Hebrew Word Used For Roaring Is Sheagah , Sheh - Aw Gaw ,, Under Strong # 07581 Meaning A Rumbling Or Moan ; -- Roaring . From Gav Sha'ag , Shaw- Ag ;, A Primitive Root , To Rumble Or Moam ; -- Mightily , Roar . You Must Ask Yourself At This Point , Why Would The Recorder Of Matthew Leave That Part Out ? The Answer Is Quite Simple How Could They Pass This Man Off On The Cross . Jesus Christ . As God Himself In Flesh Or God Incarnate AndHave Him Say And That '' Oh My God , I Cry In The Day Time But Thou Heareth Not ; And In The Night Season And Am Not Silent That Is Verse 2 ... But They Had A Specific Time Mentioned In Matthew 27 ; 46 The 9th Hour , According To Them , They Were Tring To Get The Crucifixion Done Before The Sabbath Came In .. But That Is Not In The Original Story . The Original Story Uses Day And Night , And This Individual In Psalms 22 , Is Implying That God Is Far Away From Him , This Is What He Says Out Of His Own Mouth , But You Don't Hear Me '' Or In Biblical Words But Thou Heareth Not . It Will Be HAard For Them To Maake This The Son Of God Who Was Crucified At The 9th Hour Before The Sabbath , If They Would Have Used The Full Verse And Chapter , They Would Have To Explain The Daytime Under Strong # 03119 Yowmam < > Yo - Mawm From # 3117 Daily ; - -- Daily ( By , In The Day - Time . A Common Word For During The Daylight Hours . And Ereb , En - Reb .
( Strong # 06153 From # 6150 Dusk ; -- + Day , Even ( - Ing , Tide ) The Word Night Comes From Strong # 03915 Layil . Lah - Yil ( Isa , 21 ; 11 ) Leyl ; Also Laylah
( Lah ; - Yel - Aw ) ; From The Same As # 3883 ; 03883 Luwl Properly . A Twist ( Away Of The Light ) I.E. Night ; Figuratively Adversity ; --( Mid . ) Night ( Season )




So It Is Clear In The 22nd Psalms That This Person Suffering . This Person Crying Out To God As '' My God '' Is Talking About Something He Does During The Daytime And In The Night Season . And That He Doesn't Ever Stop Crying . In His Own Words He Says '' And I Am Not Silent . This Does Not Match Up With What They Call The Messiah Prophecy '' Which Starts Off In Matthew 27; 46 Which Says And About The 9th Hour Jesus Cried With A Loud Voice . This Could Not Have Been Based On Psalms 22 The Story Of Jesus Christ Crucifixion . Somebody Borrowed The Words From The 22nd Chapter Tells Them What's Going To Happen To Them For Doing That , Talking One Portion And Ignoring The Other To Make Their Own Point ? Notice The Two Quote Number , Revelation 22 And Psalms 22 , Revelation 22; 19 , Also In The Book Of Matthew 5 ; 18 , Either That Is A Reference To The Book Of Revelation And Matthew Only Or It Apples To The Whole Bible And That Would Render The Author Of Matthew Guity , But I' m Not Finished As You Read On From Verse 2 To Verse 3 Of Psalms 22 .. < Stop >
Lets LQQK At Verse 4 Here . This Could Not Be Jesus By The Statement '' Our Father Trusted In Thee , They Trusted And You Dids Deliver Them '' Jesus Would Say Because He Would Be Talking To God '' My Father Our Ancestors Trusted You They Trusted And You Delivered Them '' Speaking Out Of The Hands Or Either The Babylonians Or The Egiptians . But That Is Not What Is Said Here . This Person Here Does Not Identify Himself As The Son Of God And No Way Could That Be Mistaken For Jesus Christ . Psalms 22 ; 5 - 6 . You're Telling Me That Jesus Christ The Son Of God , In This Prophecy About Himself While Suffering On The Cross Says To God , '' I Am A Worm ... Jesus Calls Himself A Worm Or Maggot , And No Man , Psalms 22; 7 - 8 You See Another Portion That Who Ever Authored The Book Of Matthew Stole . Where Is Your God That He Is Being Challenged ? Matthew 27 ; 40 , Mattew 27; 42 , Mark 15 ; 30 , Mark 15 ; 32
You Get The Hint There Of How That Was Borrowed From Psalms With A Little Addition And A Little Extra Coloring . It Continues On To Say ; Psalms 22 ; 9
Again He Is Speaking To God , Saying You Delivered Me At Birth . Again You Find A Hint Toward Gods Intervention Towards The Birth Of This Individual Or A Special Kind Of Birth By The Hands Of God Like They Do With Jesus Where They Got It From
Psalms 22 ; 10 - 11 , ... Psalms 22 ; 1 , This Was Suppose To Be After The Trouble And He Was On The Cross Getting Ready To Give Up The Ghost HisDarkest Hour ,
Trouble Would Be Near When They Were Approaching The Garden To Get Jesus . That's When Then Would Be Near , When They Were Suppose To Betray Jesus With , A Kiss . Not Trouble Is Near . This Could Not Have Been Jesus Christ . He Then Continues On In Psalms 22; 11 And Say ; For There Is None To Help '' Then In
Psalms 22 ; 12 It States ; Many Bulls Have Compassed Me . Not Compass , But Like Encircle Me . Nowhere In The History Of The New Testament Have Bulls Circled Jesus . The Word There In Hebrew For Bull Is < Par > Or Par [ Pawr ] There Is No Record For Jesus Ever Being Surrounded By Bull . Again I Repeat This Is Not Talking About Jesus ! And Don't Tell Me It's Symbolism . Psalms 22; 12 , Note That In Verse 12 It Mentioned A Place Called '' Bashan '' Under Strong # 01316 Aramic > Bashan Baw - Shawn ' , Which Is A Region East Of The Jordan . This Is Not At Golgotha ( Matthew 27; 33 ) Where The Cross Of Jesus Is Suppose To Be Standing . This Is Another Whole Place Being Mentioned Another Contradiction !




Matthew 27 ; 33 , < Are You Gether The '' Jest '' ( Idea ) Of What I Am Trying To Say Here , This Was Not Where Jesus Was Supposed To Have Been Crucifed . This Is A Different Place . This Man Was Surrounded By Bulls In A Different Place . >
Psalms 22 ; 13 No Animals Surrounded Jesus ' Cross . Opening TheirMouths Like Lions And Roaring And Tearing At Him Which Is What That Verse Implies . Psalms 22; 14 . This Has Nothing To Do With The Crucifixion Of Jesus But You Can See The Different Parts , Where They Stole It From AndIts Alluded To . The Stabbing Of The Side AndThe Wine . But It Is Talking More About Judas Who Was Thrown Off The Cliff And His Body Burst Asunder ( Acts 1; 18 ) < It Get Even Deeper Psalms 22;15
This Man Here Is About To Die . The Dust Of Death Means The Dawn Of Death . Death Is About To Approach Him Like The Sun Coming Up In The Morning . There Has Been No Mention Of A Crucifixion Here Yet . In Psalms 22 But So Far This Story Has No Tie To Jesus Christ New Testament Story Of The Crucifixion Other Than Eluded To It Or Borrowed From It , Psalms 22; 16 Now We Are Talking About A Crucifixion In The Book Of Psalms Of Someone And It Could Not Have Been Jesus According To The Rest Of The Story . Psalms 22 ; 17 He Is Telling Them That Now They Have Pierced Him Through The Hands And Feet , The People Are Staring Up Because They Could See His Bones Sticking Out . Psalms 22 ; 18 - 20 ..
This Man Is LQQKING To Survive , That Is Not What Jesus Said On The Cross '' Father Its Over It Is Done '' This Verse Said For God Not To Stay Too Far So He Could Rescue Him , He's Going To Reiterate In The Next Couple Of Verse Psalms 22; 20 .. Psalm 22; 2 .. NowTheMythological Creature Exist , And God Hears Him From TheHorns Of The Unicorn Jesus Never Said None Of This . Note That This Is Not The Only Place This Mythological Creature Appears In The Bible . Unicorn Is Also Mentioned In The Following Verse , Job 39 ; 9 -10 , Psalms 29 ; 6 .. Psalms 92; 10 .. Psalms 22; 22 - 24 , From Psalms 22; 24 - 31 He Reiterates How He Would Be Alive Later . And How He Is Calling People To Praise . What Do You Think Is The Psalms That Follows It . None Other Than The 23rd Psalms . The Short 6 Verse From The Man Who Was Just Crucified And Allowed To Live , Had His Soul Restored . The Man Who Was Walking Through The Valley Through The Shadow Of Death And Feared No Evil Because God Was With Him 23 Psalms Support The Incident . How Could It Possibly Repeat The Same Exact Say Words My God , My God Why Has Thou Forsaken Me '' And When You Go To Matthew 27 ; 1 . They Are Talking About The Next Moring . Matthew 27 ; 1 - 2 , The Mocking Of The Soldiers , The Casting Of Lots , Stripping Of His Robe , In Matthew 27; 27 - 28 , Yelling Out '' Let Him Be Crucified '' In Verse 22 . Talking About Him Bearing And Carrying A Cross In Verse 32 In Golgotha . Verse 35 How They Cast Lots . Verse 36 , They Sat Down And Watched Him Verse 39 '' And They That Passed By Regiled Him Wagging Their Heads '' From Psalms 22; 7 . Matthew 27; 43 , Psalms 22 ; 8 , Matthew 27 ; 50 The Breath Of What John 1 ; 1 In The Beginning Was The Word And The Word Was With God , AndThe Word Was God < Jesus Died At This Point According To Them > This Whole Thing May Come As A Shock With Some Of You . Other Of You Will Say '' This Can't Be True '' ( These People Have What Is Called Tunnel Vision And Blind Faith ) However , In Your Bible According To John 8 ; 32 That Is Free Of The Lies And Misnterpretations . <The Hyped Up Comm,entaries , Alterations , Word Maniplations , Poor Translations . And Out Right Lies To Keep You Mentally In Prison From The Truth
So What Is The Symbolism Of The 9th Hour Or The Crucifixion ?
According To Luke 23 ; 44 - 45 That The Sun / Son Had Died And So There Was Darkness . And LQQK How Many Hours This Lasted For ; Three . The Same Story Of Darkness At Their Death Was Told By The Hindus Of Khrishna , The Buddha , The Greeks Or Hercules The Mexicans Or Quetzalcoatl . And Infinitum , Lomg Before Jesus . When He Die . Jesus Descended Into Hell , Just Like The Earlier Krishna , Zoroaster , Osiris . Horus . Adonis / Tammuz , Bacchus , Hercules , Mercury And So On . He Then Rose From The Dead Like The Earlier Krishna , Buddha , Zoroaster , Adonis / Tammuz , Osiris , Mithra , Hercules , And Balder . Jesus Was Symbolically Crucified At Easter Because This Is The Spring Equinox When The Sun ( Jesus ) Enters . The Astrological Sign Of Aries , The Ram Or The Lamb . The Lamb In The Book Of Revelation Is The Same Symbol As Found In Chapter 22 ; 3 .

I have never in my life seen such rambling and twisting of scripture.Do you ever think on you own, or just spend mindless hours quoting and copying the work of your teacher york??
You and Matthew have much in common then...... My Point Being That These Writings Were Plagarized . You Plagarize from York every time you post on here.
And you call the Christian brainwashed???? Pleaseeeeeeeee!!!!
When and if you can have a conversation all on your own, would love to talk with you, you "overstand", real talk, and not your copying and pasting. Do look me up on here when you feel you can do this. Until that time...Peace.

I have never in my life seen such rambling and twisting of scripture.Do you ever think on you own, or just spend mindless hours quoting and copying the work of your teacher york??
You and Matthew have much in common then...... My Point Being That These Writings Were Plagarized . You Plagarize from York every time you post on here.
And you call the Christian brainwashed???? Pleaseeeeeeeee!!!!
When and if you can have a conversation all on your own, would love to talk with you, you "overstand", real talk, and not your copying and pasting. Do look me up on here when you feel you can do this. Until that time...Peace.



You Know It People Like You Who Prove My Point . It Must Really Hurts Knowing I Know Your Book Of The Dead / Bible Better The You . And As Far As Cuting And Pasteing Laughing I Find That To Be Very Funny When You Haven't As Of Yet Proveing AnyThing I Have Posted < Showing Me Where I'm Wrong . And You Never Will . And Yes You < gp > Been Brain Wash . More Then Anyone Here < If You Cann't See How You Socalled Bible Have Been Plagarize Many Time Over Yet You Believe In It As The Word Of God . What Foolishness . You Sound Like A Person Who Sitting On Some One Lap With There Hand Up YouR Back Working Your Mouth , To Make Suck Silly Statement . But This Is To Be Expect When Sleepying With The Disease Canaanite . You Have Truely Soul Your Soul To The Devil . And You Don't Even Realize It . WhenEver She Call You That Word When She Pissed . Remember I'm LaughingHereBigTime .

I Corinthians 2:10-15

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


First Brother Let me start by saying what I'm about to explain is for your understanding only. Hopefully I can shed some let light on the subject. First let us understand who and what God is. First I must say no one knows everything about God because the idea of God is something we fully can't grasp. We shall explore what we do know about God. God is a spirit. God is the creator of everything that is known and things to come. God is all powerful. God is all knowing. God is all present. These are some powerful statements. How do we know them to be true? Well if you don't believe this then you must believe that we come from bateria that formed in the water by some stroke of chance and eventually we simply evolved to suit our environment and we will continue to evolve into what every the universe throws at us. Life is all we have and once it's over that's it. You'll be snuffed out like a cigarette butt. It's okay to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody and don't get caught. have as much fun as you can, do all the things you want to because it really doesn't get any better than this. If this is how you feel then you are a natural man. You understand the superfical reality of the world only. You can only understand what is perceived by the 5 sense in a 3 dimensional world. A God that is everywhere, all time for everyone is probably the most ridiculous thing anyone has ever come up with. People of faith are just like sheep being led to the slaughter and they're missing out on life.

You see brother this is how the natural man thinks. His spirit is dead therefore he will know nothing beyond his physical realm. So when he dies he will get what he asked for, nothing.

On the other hand the spirit man has the gift of discernment. His vision is not limited to what his physical eyes can see. The spiritual man doesn't live in fear. Spiritual man understands that the physical life is a stage a not the end. A spiritual man looks at scripture for the underlining meaning. The scriptures come alive and are relative to his life. The question of authenticity is never in question because of their relevancy. The spiritual man communes with God. The spiritual man is free.

So brother while the natural man is sees his world through prescription glasses the spiritual man looks at his world through a reflecting lense telescope and the foolish man looks at his world through a microscope.

So how does one become this spiritual man? It's simple one must go against every lustful desire and all logical reasoning despite criticism and take a leap of faith. This will make you a fool in the eyes of many but your judge will be God as the scripture says.


Peace

Radical Faith


This is deep!

This is deep!

How so brother?

any belief system that is learned from your slave master is part of the enslavement.
any religion that allows itself to be spread by slavery and conquest is, by definition, invalid.


People Of Religion Are Not Allow To Think OutSide Of Their Belief , That Their Slave Master Has Given Then . He May Have Remove The Chain , But He Has Inslave Their Mind And This Is Very Dangerous . His Bible Teach Them About Heaven , While He Living His Heave Here On Earth . And The Nubian Have To Die Before They See The White Man Heaven . They Have Given Up Their True History And Culture For A 2,000 Year Old Religion , Based On The Pre- Christian Propaganda , And Their Particular Denominational OpinionsWith Its Many Denominations And The White Mans Customs . Then He Tell The Whole World That , '' They Are To Follow His Customs '' Meaning The WholeWorldIs Supposed To Change 1000's Of Years Of Culture , For A 2,000 Year Old , Christian Culture . What Foolishness ! Stop From Being An Egyptian , With All Of Her Gigantic Pyramids , Maos , And All Of Her Other Achievement , And Stop Being A Sumerian , And All Of Her Glorious Astronomy , Laws , And Architecture . Or A Native America , With All Of Her Mighty Pyramids , Mounds , Arts Or A Chinese , With All Of The Silk , Great Wall , Or A Yoruba , With Their Many Deities , That Goes Way Back . Thousand Of Years Before The Christian Culture ? You Mean To Tell Me , That I Am Supposed To FORGET MANY , MANY , THOUSAND OF YEARS , OF HOW WE LIVED . WHAT WE ATE , WHAT WE WORE , WHY WE REPECT THEM , And Follow His Culture That Does Not Even Fit In With The Environment , Or Climate I Live In ?

People Of Religion Are Not Allow To Think OutSide Of Their Belief , That Their Slave Master Has Given Then . He May Have Remove The Chain , But He Has Inslave Their Mind And This Is Very Dangerous . His Bible Teach Them About Heaven , While He Living His Heave Here On Earth . And The Nubian Have To Die Before They See The White Man Heaven . They Have Given Up Their True History And Culture For A 2,000 Year Old Religion , Based On The Pre- Christian Propaganda , And Their Particular Denominational OpinionsWith Its Many Denominations And The White Mans Customs . Then He Tell The Whole World That , '' They Are To Follow His Customs '' Meaning The WholeWorldIs Supposed To Change 1000's Of Years Of Culture , For A 2,000 Year Old , Christian Culture . What Foolishness ! Stop From Being An Egyptian , With All Of Her Gigantic Pyramids , Maos , And All Of Her Other Achievement , And Stop Being A Sumerian , And All Of Her Glorious Astronomy , Laws , And Architecture . Or A Native America , With All Of Her Mighty Pyramids , Mounds , Arts Or A Chinese , With All Of The Silk , Great Wall , Or A Yoruba , With Their Many Deities , That Goes Way Back . Thousand Of Years Before The Christian Culture ? You Mean To Tell Me , That I Am Supposed To FORGET MANY , MANY , THOUSAND OF YEARS , OF HOW WE LIVED . WHAT WE ATE , WHAT WE WORE , WHY WE REPECT THEM , And Follow His Culture That Does Not Even Fit In With The Environment , Or Climate I Live In ?



Brother you typify the voice of our people. That voice is saying one thing. Why?
Why have my gods forsaken me?
Why did my gods not protect me when the whiteman came?
Why should believe in a god?
Why was I enslaved?
Why is my voice not heard?
Why is my culture being destroyed?
Why can't things be as they were?
Why am I considered the scourge of the Earth.?
Why can't I get a break?
Why do I live in disfunction?
Why can't I be on top?
Why can't I defeat my enemy?
Why should I worship a god that has caused my suffering?
Why can't we get along with eachother?
Why can't their be peace?
Why?
Why?
Why?

When this question is answered truthfully healing will begin.

Peace

Radical Faith

Brother you typify the voice of our peolpe. That voice is saying one thing. Why?
Why have my gods forsaken me?
Why did my gods not protect me when the whiteman came?
Why should believe in a god?
Why was I enslaved?
Why is my voice not heard?
Why is my culture being destroyed?
Why can't things be as they were?
Why am I considered the scourge of the Earth.?
Why can't I get a break?
Why do I live in disfunction?
Why can't I be on top?
Why can't I defeat my enemy?
Why should I worship a god that has caused my suffering?
Why can't we get along with eachother?
Why can't their be peace?
Why?
Why?
Why?

When this question is answered truthfully healing will begin.

Peace

Radical Faith

ThankYou For The Conformation , I Knew Some One Would Totally Miss What I Was Saying . Your Are Truely Under The Spell Of Religion . But Let Me Leave You With This Ok < Why Do People Hold On To Religion ? People hold on to religion because they can't make it any other way in life . Religion is basically A Crutch . The Only people that cling to religion are those who can't face the real world . People use religion as an Escape .People make religion look important because they have failed . And are sitting around waiting and Praying that one day God . Allah Or Yahweh Is Going To Come Save Them And Take All Their Worries Away . And That's What Teligion Teacher You . It Teaches You Faith , Belief , And Symbolism .

ThankYou For The Conformation , I Knew Some One Would Totally Miss What I Was Saying . Your Are Truely Under The Spell Of Religion . But Let Me Leave You With This Ok < Why Do People Hold On To Religion ? People hold on to religion because they can't make it any other way in life . Religion is basically A Crutch . The Only people that cling to religion are those who can't face the real world . People use religion as an Escape .People make religion look important because they have failed . And are sitting around waiting and Praying that one day God . Allah Or Yahweh Is Going To Come Save Them And Take All Their Worries Away . And That's What Teligion Teacher You . It Teaches You Faith , Belief , And Symbolism .



I pity you because you have no faith. It is a waste of good intellegence not to be serving God the way you should. You believe in yesterday brother. What about tomorrow? Soon there will be no more tomorrows and you can't relive yesterday. Though I follow Christian doctrines and practices that is not what's important. You are right many people play church, mosque, temple and synagog on there days of worship and continue living the hypocrits life. Some people are sucked in by slick suited charlotians. What is important that each man know God for himself. You don't have to be called Christian or Muslim or Jew or Sunni or Shiite or Baptist or Catholic or Messianic to know God. See the true trick is thinking can live outside of God. So brother stop concentrating on the frame because you're missing the picture. The picture is more beautiful than one can imagine. The world is passing away, a part of who we were has passed away. Develop your spirit and you will hear from God.


Peace Brother

Radical Faith

I pity you because you have no faith. It is a waste of good intellegence not to be serving God the way you should. You believe in yesterday brother. What about tomorrow? Soon there will be no more tomorrows and you can't relive yesterday. Though I follow Christian doctrines and practices that is not what's important. You are right many people play church, mosque, temple and synagog on there days of worship and continue living the hypocrits life. Some people are sucked in by slick suited charlotians. What is important that each man know God for himself. You don't have to be called Christian or Muslim or Jew or Sunni or Shiite or Baptist or Catholic or Messianic to know God. See the true trick is thinking can live outside of God. So brother stop concentrating on the frame because you're missing the picture. The picture is more beautiful than one can imagine. The world is passing away, a part of who we were has passed away. Develop your spirit and you will hear from God.


Peace Brother

Radical Faith


All Joke Aside Ok < Whats Really Pityful Is That You Awaiting For This Spook God That You Can't Prove That Exist Outside Of The Bible Which Was Written By The Man And As Really Inslave Your Mind , To The Point Where You Can't Think Outside Of Your Belif / Faith . People Have Die And Are Dying Waiting For This Spook God For Over 2,000 Years And Counting . One Might Feel He Or She Has Gotten Lost . What It Comes Down To Is People Of Religion Don't Want To Be Responsible For Their Way Of Life And Their Action . So They Created This Spook God To Save Them From Themselves . And Anyway Who Doesn't Follow Them Are Of The Devil Etc . Etc . Etc .
( Food For Though Take It Or Leave It ) The Helping Hand Your LQQking For Is At The End Of Your Own Arm ... For Those Who Don't Know What At The End Of Your Arms Is Your Hands

All Joke Aside Ok < Whats Really Pityful Is That You Awaiting For This Spook God That You Can't Prove That Exist Outside Of The Bible Which Was Written By The Man And As Really Inslave Your Mind , To The Point Where You Can't Think Outside Of Your Belif / Faith . People Have Die And Are Dying Waiting For This Spook God For Over 2,000 Years And Counting . One Might Feel He Or She Has Gotten Lost . What It Comes Down To Is People Of Religion Don't Want To Be Responsible For Their Way Of Life And Their Action . So They Created This Spook God To Save Them From Themselves . And Anyway Who Doesn't Follow Them Are Of The Devil Etc . Etc . Etc .
( Food For Though Take It Or Leave It ) The Helping Hand Your LQQking For Is At The End Of Your Own Arm ... For Those Who Don't Know What At The End Of Your Arms Is Your Hands


I ain't mad at cha Brother. When the God's spirit convicts you, you will be soldout too.

Peace be unto my Brother


Radical Faith

I ain't mad at cha Brother. When the God's spirit convicts you, you will be soldout too.

Peace be unto my Brother


Radical Faith


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The basics of Christian belief (both Catholic and Protestant) are that 1) Jesus died and was resurrected, 2) Jesus is God Incarnate, 3) Jesus performed miracles of healing, and 4) Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit form the Trinity of God. Modern evangelicals believe that these doctrines are fully supported by the Bible which is the revealed Word of God. If Skeptics argue otherwise, they are accused of warping the text or viewing it "in the wrong way". In this sense, Christianity is like a Rorshach test where if you do not see the butterfly, you are labeled crazy. However, when we examine the history of Christian belief, we find that it is the doctrines themselves which are warped.

The Resurrection
Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons, (140-202 A.D.) wrote a series of books which opposed the Gnostic movement in the early Church. These books provide great insight into the doctrinal disputes of his day. Gnostics are Christians who from the beginning rejected the Incarnation and the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ as fabrications. They followed Scriptures attributed to Phillip, Thomas, John and Peter, believing them to be the Word of God. According to the Gnostic teacher Basilides, "[Jesus] did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them." (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.XXIV .4 ) Other Gnostics believed that Jesus was released after his trial, never having bore a cross. Some traditions say that he lived to be over fifty years old and died a natural death.

God Incarnate or Adopted Son?
"About 320 A.D. there arose a great deal of controversy over whether or not Jesus was God Incarnate. A young presbyter named Arius contended that Jesus was the adopted Son of God and not equal to God at all. He pointed out that even Jesus Himself had said "the Father is Greater than I". The controversy became so heated that the emperor Constantine himself intervened and summoned a synod to Nicea in modern Turkey to settle the issue. Today, Arius' name is a byword for heresy, but when the controversy broke out there was no officially orthodox position and it was by no means certain why or even whether Arius was wrong. There was nothing new about this claim: Origen, whom both sides held in high esteem, had taught a similar doctrine" (Karen Armstrong, A History of God). At the Council of Nicea, the bishops wrote The Nicene Creed. It should be noted that these bishops only represented the christianity of the west, and the bishops of the east continued to contend that Jesus was created by God and therefore not God.

"By 359 AD Arianism had prevailed as the official faith of the empire" with the support of Constantius II. After the death of Constantius, the new Emporer Valens persecuted the Arians in order to clear the way for the return of the Nicene "orthodoxy" (Arianism, Microsoft Encarta). However, a reading of the chronology of the Arian controversy will illustrate that even after sixty years of violent debate, the issue was never finally settled. To this day, there are 22 million Christians in the Orthodox Church who reject the doctrine of the Incarnation. These include the Armenian, Coptic, Syrian and Ethiopian Churches (Eastern Church, Microsoft Encarta).

The Miracles of Jesus

Prior to the modern age, just about anyone could raise the dead or walk on water. Buddha is said to have cut himself to pieces with a sword and then come back to life. Apolonius of Tyana could cast out demons. The Emperor Vespasian healed the blind and the lame. When Joan of Arc passed by, dead infants yawned and came back to life. We can also mention Honi, Septimus Sevi, Caesar Augustus,the Baha'u'lah, Mohammed and hundreds more miracle-working saviors. How commonplace were miracle accounts in the Ancient Near East? Consider this: Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. How was the Virgin Mary born? Anna, her mother, was lamenting her barreness when an angel appeared to inform her that she shall bear a child and "thy progeny shall be spoken of in all the world" (The Protevangelion IV,1). You have to wonder how Anna was born.

Of all the Gospels written about Jesus, the most relevant is the Gospel of Thomas. Discovered in 1945, scholars date it about 50-70 A.D. making it the oldest and most reliable of all the gospels. "It is a collection of sayings used to instruct newly-baptized Christians. It appears to reflect an early form of Johannine preaching and probably came into being at about the same time as the Q document (the sayings source from which may scholars believe Matthew and Luke drew much of their material)". (The Gospel of Thomas and Christian Wisdom, Stevan L. Davies). According to tradition, the Gospel of Thomas was written by Judas Thomas the Twin who was the brother of Jesus. In this gospel, you will find no virgin births, no trinities, no miracles, and no resurrections. The only thing you find are the words of Jesus.

The writings of Paul also lack any mention of a virgin birth, trinity or bodily resurrection. Most scholars date Paul's writings earlier than any of the gospels. If early Christian traditions omitted these "essential" Christian beliefs, then it seems likely that they were later inventions.

The Canon

The Christian canon came about in much the same way as the doctrine of the Trinity - after hundreds of years of controversy and debate. The Catholic Church finally settled upon those texts thought to have the most authenticity of tradition. The Church historian, Eusebius of Caesaria, lists the books which were doubtful choices: Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Jude and Revelation. He also lists the revered Scriptures which were rejected by the Church as inauthentic: 1 Clement, The Shepherd of Hermas and The Didache.

Revelation was a particularly controversial choice. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "during the fourth and fifth centuries the tendency to exclude the Apocalypse [Revelation] from the list of sacred books continued to increase in the Syro-Palestinian churches. Eusebius [of Caesaria] expresses no definite opinion. He contents himself with the statement: "The Apocalypse is by some accepted among the canonical books but by others rejected" (Hist. Eccl., III, 25). St. Cyril of Jerusalem does not name it among the canonical books (Catech. IV, 33-36); nor does it occur on the list of the Synod of Laodicea, or on that of Gregory of Nazianzus. Perhaps the most telling argument against the apostolic authorship of the book is its omission from the Pe****o, the Syrian Vulgate." But notice the remarkable conclusion to the matter: "But although the authorities giving evidence against the authenticity of the Apocalypse deserve full consideration they cannot annul or impair the older and unanimous testimony of the churches."

The "unanimous" testimony of the churches includes the following statement by the Roman presbyter Caius: "But Cerinthus by means of revelations which he pretended were written by a great Apostle falsely pretended to wonderful things, asserting that after the resurrection there would be an earthly kingdom" (Hist. Eccl., III, 28) Caius is saying that Cerinthus, the Gnostic, forged the book of Revelation. Dionysius, bishop of Alexandria and a disciple of Origen, also asserted that Revelation was written by someone other than the Apostle John.

Even if we were to accept the Bible as containing the authentic teachings of the twelve apostles, our earliest manuscripts date about a hundred years after the original texts were written. How trustworthy are the copyists? Our modern New Testament contains copyist additions such as Mark 16:9-20. A reference to Jesus in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews (18.3.1) is such a blatant Chrisian forgery that even Christian scholars admit as much. Also, keep in mind that the same Christians that we are trusting with an accurate transmission of the Bible burned down whole libraries full of Gnostic Scriptures. Eusebius, the Church historian, confessed to being more concerned with spreading the Christian faith than recording history accurately.

Conclusion

Modern Christian doctrine, far from being a consensus on Christian belief, reflects only a minority viewpoint. Other Christian groups had different beliefs, different canons and different perspectives. Why was the Western Church so much more successful than its competitors? Neither Gnostics nor Orthodox Christians were very evangelical. But more importantly, the Catholic Church had the backing of the Emperor Constantine and used that power to persecute other Christians. The Catholic Church is also responsible for the destruction of libraries full of competing Scriptures. The fact of the matter is that Christians East and West are clinging to doctrines created by men. Jesus said, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,

'This people honors me with their lips,
But their hearts are far away from me.
But in vain do they worship me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'" Mark 7:6-7 (RSV)

Some prophecies do come true.

source:
http://home.earthlink.net/~wyvern37/case.htm

Other Resources Available:
The Case Against Christianity
by Michael Martin

Forgery in Christianity :
A Documented Record of the Foundations of the Christian Religion
by Joseph Wheless

The X-Rated Bible :
An Irreverent Survey of Sex in the Scriptures
by Ben Edward Akerley

The Christ Myth
(Westminster College-Oxford Classics in the Study of Religion)
by Arthur Drews, C. Deslisle Burns

The Forgery of the Old Testament
and Other Essays (Freethought Library)
by Joseph McCabe

The Jesus Myth
by George Albert Wells

The Myth of the Resurrection
and Other Essays (The Freethought Library) by Joseph McCabe

The Jesus Legend
by G. A. Wells, R. Joseph Hoffman

Is It God's Word :
An Exposition of the Fables &
Mythology of the Bible & the Fallacies of Theology
by Joseph Wheless

Some Mistakes of Moses
by Robert G. Ingersoll

The Born Again Skeptic's Guide
To The Bible
by Ruth Hurmence Green

Losing Faith in Faith :
From Preacher to Atheist
by Dan Barker

The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy
by C. Dennis McKinsey

Holy Horrors :
An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness
by James A. Haught

Hidden History of Zionism
by Ralph Schoenman

The Christ Conspiracy
The Greatest Story Ever Sold
by Acharya S

The Jesus Puzzle
Challenging the Existence of an Historical Jesus
by Earl J. Doherty


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