how many of yall have that spanish vs black stuff. Got Spiggas (i hate that word...it means spanish people who act black) or meda medas ( black people who act spanish) and that whole nonsense in between...talk about it pple, whats really good wit all that anyway? and do yall think spanish pple have the right to call each other or other black pple the N word?

please respond
give this topic some life :car: :tennis: :drums: :dance3:

luv ya
peace out!!!:bye:

First of all, NO ONE SHOULD BE CALLING ANYONE THE "N" WORD, because 90% of the people who use it don't even know where it came from, regardless of race; and Secondly, BREAKING NEWS!!!!! The spanish v. Black thang is officially not in existence anymore!! Please do not fall for that Eurpoean brainwashing crap. That is just a way to put us up against eachother and self-destroy eachother. I don't know about others, but I get along with Hispanics, Latinos, and even Cubans fine. There is no such thing as Spanish v. Black, because what is it the purpose? There is none. Don't believe in that crap.

Cedric Denson

Being a Black and Cuban, I must say that think that still does exist to a certain degree dependign upon where you stay. I know that when black people find out that I am spanish, I get a sense of apprehensiveness from them, as if I think I am better. Moreover, alot of spanish people still feel that blacks are inferior, especially black latinos. Some black latinos only Identify with their nationality (Their respected country) and not their race (African Origin) and they think that blacks are inferior. So I think it is alive and well, it just depends upon where you are and how you percieve it.

OK But know that my Ex is Black and Spanish, and my ONLY closest true female friend is Black and Spanish. There is no difference that I see. I mkean where I grew up at, I witnessed Latinos hanging out with eachother, Blacks hanging out with eachother, and then Latinos starting to team up with the blacks. They even blast our music. I don't know too many African-Americans who blast Salsa and Reggae when they are in their groups. I will see a bunch of Purto Ricans sitting on the porch, drinking beer, speaking spanish - and then blasting Rap and Hip-Hop. None of the other way around in the Black Community.

Cedric Denson

Being a Black and Cuban, I must say that think that still does exist to a certain degree dependign upon where you stay. I know that when black people find out that I am spanish, I get a sense of apprehensiveness from them, as if I think I am better. Moreover, alot of spanish people still feel that blacks are inferior, especially black latinos. Some black latinos only Identify with their nationality (Their respected country) and not their race (African Origin) and they think that blacks are inferior. So I think it is alive and well, it just depends upon where you are and how you percieve it.


And I'm sure its not wrong to be proud of your country!!!!!!! I am not African Dominican!!!!! I am a Dominican some of who's ancestors came from Africa, Europe, the America's. punto! Pensar rubio, mulatto, moreno, indio, negro, no hay diferencia. There only colors, and we have them all :nuts: !!!

I can't explain why latinos use the n word like it's nothing. While I use it sometimes and have been around other hispanics saying it, I don't oppose it or support it. I think it's really about colloquialism. When it's all you hear growing up, people using it even as a term of endearment, it doesn't feel wrong. Like sometimes my mom or my aunts would call us that while saying something nice or joking orwhatever. It'd be funny to everybody. Even my grandma would say it and no one would think anything of it.

But don't misunderstand me. It's wrong in the sense of where it came from and the history behind it. I just have to work harder on not saying it.

And I think that Blacks and Latinos act a lot like each other because they live so close to one another. And their heritage is similar. It's a beautiful thing.

African-Americans and Latinos (not Spanish, you are only Spanish if you are from Spain) have a similar history & heritage. I could give a long dialog on why Latino vs Black is silly, but I'd rather let this thread speak for me:

http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23343

African-Americans and Latinos (not Spanish, you are only Spanish if you are from Spain) have a similar history & heritage. I could give a long dialog on why Latino vs Black is silly, but I'd rather let this thread speak for me:

http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23343


http://www.listindiario.com.do/antes/octubre04/071004/portada/pplana.pdf
http://www.listin.com.do/



has a little better mix instead of selection. Agreed that there is a heavy african influence, but not all!! you would be surprised at the mixture.

Do me a favor Pan and just take a look at http://www.listin.com.do/ your wife can help if need be,I say this not out of disrespect, but I don't know your level of spanish. but you will see all colors, and not all Latinos(hate that word), look like the photos posted in your forum. We are a mixture, and you can have six different colors in your immediante family.

Just poke around and look at the pictures thanks in advance
:pool: your shot

you will see all colors, and not all Latinos(hate that word), look like the photos posted in your forum. We are a mixture, and you can have six different colors in your immediante family. Just poke around and look at the pictures thanks in advance.

I realize that Bienamor...and didn't mean to imply that all Latinos/Hispanics look like my links. That was from a thread demonstrating the diversity of Latinos...and to show the African influence!

I realize that Bienamor...and didn't mean to imply that all Latinos/Hispanics look like my links. That was from a thread demonstrating the diversity of Latinos...and to show the African influence!

But it's also a little slanted. Just look through the foto's in the newspaper link. Your correct it is VERY diverse. Most boxers, baseball players came from the lower levels of society. for example Sammy Sosa was a shoe shine boy until he made it big in baseball. It was a way out of the Barrio, much like playing basketball in the US.

ex president Hipolito Mejia was from the ciboa region which is very white, plus a large asian influence due to this being the bread basket of the country. current president Leonel Fernadez is very dark.


Also Spiggers???? I think this is used at the start of the thread. again must be something from the US. Please don't paint all people that speak spanish with that brush. goes back to the diversity. :time:
We dont all live in Washington Heights NYC. However we are starting to see the "Gangsta Look here in the Capital,(low pants,an sidways or backward caps)" but that is mainly attributed to Deporte's from NYC, and TV :skillet:

Sometimes Cable is not what you need. Gracias Dios no es normal.

First of all, NO ONE SHOULD BE CALLING ANYONE THE "N" WORD, because 90% of the people who use it don't even know where it came from, regardless of race; and Secondly, BREAKING NEWS!!!!! The spanish v. Black thang is officially not in existence anymore!! Please do not fall for that Eurpoean brainwashing crap. That is just a way to put us up against eachother and self-destroy eachother. I don't know about others, but I get along with Hispanics, Latinos, and even Cubans fine. There is no such thing as Spanish v. Black, because what is it the purpose? There is none. Don't believe in that crap.

Cedric Denson


That's a very general statement to make about this subject. a little too general. i don't know where you live, or where you grew up, but im in the South Bronx Ny, and i KNow for a fact that this still goes on, especially since im still in highschool. Even in Florida, there's the Cubans vs the BLack pple down there. if your from the x generation, that might be why you have no specific knowledge of what i am talkin about.

Also Spiggers???? I think this is used at the start of the thread. again must be something from the US. Please don't paint all people that speak spanish with that brush. goes back to the diversity. :time:
We dont all live in Washington Heights NYC. However we are starting to see the "Gangsta Look here in the Capital,(low pants,an sidways or backward caps)" but that is mainly attributed to Deporte's from NYC, and TV :skillet:

Sometimes Cable is not what you need. Gracias Dios no es normal.


i only stated the word Spigga as an example of what they call spanish people who act blakk. But really i haven't heard that word in a minute...which might start my next thread, why do people say "act blak" and "act spanish" and act white" as if we can all be conformed to one type of stereotype. it annoys me how people throw that out. if one of my teachers says somethin ghetto, she a nig*ga even though she's white...i mean what is that? and then any type of change that is brought up despite the stereotype is shut down. if i do well in school i ain't actin white. im not an oreo either...and i hate hearin people say that...

But Family, being that it is a way of getting us to eliminate eachother so that we will be off the map in terms of holding power, Why would you condone it?

Cedric Denson

im from gen x, i grew up in so california all i can say is blks and latinos (mexicans mainly in cali) dnt even like to associate tht much. on the real u will always hve exceptions and ppl tht dnt care, but over all i noticed tht many latinos like 2 hate on blak ppl and vice versa. when foreigners come here they watch t.v. see the ghettos and think they r better. they dnt know they wAYS OF WHT AMERIKKANS AND try 2 be all up with them, challenge this if u want but ive witnessed it with my own eyes. cubans r the worst they vote republican and really think their wht.



prize fighter ur dead wrong blak ppl do bump reggae quite often.

how many of yall have that spanish vs black stuff. Got Spiggas (i hate that word...it means spanish people who act black) or meda medas ( black people who act spanish) and that whole nonsense in between...talk about it pple, whats really good wit all that anyway? and do yall think spanish pple have the right to call each other or other black pple the N word?

please respond
give this topic some life :car: :tennis: :drums: :dance3:

luv ya
peace out!!!:bye:


Question, why do we call latinos spanish. If they are from Spain then we would call them spanairds. This is like calling english speaking blacks english

Question, why do we call latinos spanish. If they are from Spain then we would call them spanairds. This is like calling english speaking blacks english

I already made that comment Brother Sekhemu. Many Latinos/Hispanics seem to classify themselves as Spanish, and most Americans not knowing much about different cultures could care less if this is an accurate description or not. You can see evidence of this in the "Spanish" section in the grocery store, I've been to Spain (I'm going back again in December), and I can assure you that Spaniards don't eat Tacos or Burritos.

While South America & much of the Caribbean were colonized by Spain (with the exception of Brazil), these people are not Spanish! Indeed I do not think Latinos/Hispanics would continue to classify themselves as Spanish if they knew how people from Spain look down at them (being with a woman from Spain, I can guarantee that they do), indeed Spaniards are some of the most racist people in the world! They were pioneers in the worldwide enslavement of people of color. Spain views South America & the Caribbean as a colony, they do not consider the people to be equals, nor a part of their culture.

In many cases, language is an influence of imperalism & slavery, this is the case here. Although South Americans speak Spanish, they are no more Spanish than Americans are from England because we speak English. They are no more Spanish than Haitians are from France because they speak French! If you are from Puerto Rico you're Puerto Rican not Spanish...If you are from the Dominican Republic, you're Dominican, not Spanish...from Mexico, you're Mexican not Spanish....from Cuba, you're Cuban, not Spanish, etc. Be proud of what you are, and where you come from. Don't identify with a culture that doesn't identify with you.

Although South Americans speak Spanish, they are no more Spanish than Americans are from England because we speak English. They are no more Spanish than Haitians are from France because they speak French! If you are from Puerto Rico you're Puerto Rican not Spanish...If you are from the Dominican Republic, you're Dominican, not Spanish...from Mexico, you're Mexican not Spanish....from Cuba, you're Cuban, not Spanish, etc. Be proud of what you are, and where you come from. Don't identify with a culture that doesn't identify with you.

Kind of what I have been saying all along be proud of your country!!!! And if you don't like it move, if possible, (course I would have to have a visa). for all but about 10 other countries in the world.

Pan make up your mind is your wife spanish or guyana. or both. you keep refering to her as all of them, depending on your point. This is not a put down, attack or anything else. Just noticing that her nationality changes from time to time. you don't even need to answer

Pan make up your mind is your wife spanish or guyana. or both. you keep refering to her as all of them, depending on your point. This is not a put down, attack or anything else. Just noticing that her nationality changes from time to time. you don't even need to answer

You are mistaken Bienamor, I never said my wife was from Guyana. She is Spanish by nationality (born & raised), and Equatorial Guinean (African) by heritage. Her culture is a mix of both, and as a result I speak on both places. In addition she has family in both countries, so I have access to information from both places. I have never advertised my wife as anything other than a woman from Spain born to parents from Equatorial Guinea (the only Spanish-speaking country in Africa, and a former colony of Spain).

Great comments to all, I still think people who are too naive in believing that all latinos are spanish, as it has been re-stated often on this thread in this forum, SPANISH FOLKS DO NOT CARE ABOUT LATINOS.

SPANISH FOLKS DO NOT CARE ABOUT LATINOS.

Indeed Manasaic...I have little respect for the Spanish, even though my wife was born in Spain. Indeed it was because Spain backed the homicidal/genocidal Macias Nguema (Equatorial Guinea's 1st president), that my wife's family to fled to Spain. I have as little respect for Spain as I have for any former European colonizer. As a Kenyan has no reason to respect the British, a Ethiopian has no reason to respect Italians, a Senegalese has no reason to respect the French, South Africans have no reason to respect the Dutch, Latinos have no reason to respect the Spanish.

However having no reason to respect these former colonizers/slave masters doesn't mean that it won't happen. Just as you have Senegalese who cater to their former French colonizers (the president is married to a white French woman), Kenyans who identify with Britain, Ethiopians who want to be Italian, Angolians who want to be from Belgium, South Africans who wish to be Dutch....there are Latinos that want to be Spanish. Unfortunately all countries which have suffered under Imperialism, have many of their people continue to be victims of the colonial mindset! :teach:

Society trys to make everything seem like a battle. To me no one has the right to call people names because it makes no sense. There is really no way of "acting black" or " acting spanish" because you cant act a race you only can be it. Many things that are call acting black is mostly universal now. Every one uses slang now. Is the world acting black because of freedom of speech? No it's just an expression. Everyone is their own person is. If a black person can appreciate the spanish culture then why should they be persecuted for it. Everyone should be able to express themselves freely without haters.

Society trys to make everything seem like a battle. To me no one has the right to call people names because it makes no sense. There is really no way of "acting black" or " acting spanish" because you cant act a race you only can be it. Many things that are call acting black is mostly universal now. Every one uses slang now. Is the world acting black because of freedom of speech? No it's just an expression. Everyone is their own person is. If a black person can appreciate the spanish culture then why should they be persecuted for it. Everyone should be able to express themselves freely without haters.


i agree with you 100%. We can't act a race or culture. people may try to portray what they see,and then they label that as the ordinary, when it isn't. Each race has it's own complexities and diversities, which shouldn't be simplified by a way of speaking, intelligence or personality.

im from gen x, i grew up in so california all i can say is blks and latinos (mexicans mainly in cali) dnt even like to associate tht much. on the real u will always hve exceptions and ppl tht dnt care, but over all i noticed tht many latinos like 2 hate on blak ppl and vice versa. when foreigners come here they watch t.v. see the ghettos and think they r better. they dnt know they wAYS OF WHT AMERIKKANS AND try 2 be all up with them, challenge this if u want but ive witnessed it with my own eyes. cubans r the worst they vote republican and really think their wht.



prize fighter ur dead wrong blak ppl do bump reggae quite often.


no disrespect, but that's the point that was tryin to be made...except that it should not be just seen as a whatever situation. i know about the cubans, and i know that some hispanics can be snotty. But wat, does that mean discriminate all of them? am i the only one that finds that stupid? how can i want white people to not belittle me to those little taboos that they have, if i have taboos of my own for other races? that would make me a hypocrite. i witness it too, but that doesn't mean i don't question it.


you gonna have to elaborate on that black pple bump reggae thing, cause i don't remember commenting on that at all

Spanish Vs. Black is still going on at Cypress Spring High School. It started the beginning of school and haven't stop now. I really think it's dumb. I see it like this if you turn off the light we all look the same. Some people just want to fight just to fight. I have nothing against any other race.

im from gen x, i grew up in so california all i can say is blks and latinos (mexicans mainly in cali) dnt even like to associate tht much. on the real u will always hve exceptions and ppl tht dnt care, but over all i noticed tht many latinos like 2 hate on blak ppl and vice versa.

I was born and raised in the northern part of California and Blacks and the Mexicans get along just fine here. There are groups that are just black and some that are just Mexicans but there are plenty of other groups that are mixed. I'm not saying that everyone gets along with each other here but the majority of the people do.

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Both Blacks and "Spanish" (?) people seem to call each OTHER the "N" word.

Fight ignorance, not each other.


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Society trys to make everything seem like a battle. To me no one has the right to call people names because it makes no sense. There is really no way of "acting black" or " acting spanish" because you cant act a race you only can be it. Many things that are call acting black is mostly universal now. Every one uses slang now. Is the world acting black because of freedom of speech? No it's just an expression. Everyone is their own person is. If a black person can appreciate the spanish culture then why should they be persecuted for it. Everyone should be able to express themselves freely without haters.

That is the truth. Also, hate is rooted in ignorance. Being Black is a race. Being Spanish(different types) is a culture. According to the United States Census... everyone that fills out those forms has to choose both a RACE and a CULTURE. Your race involves your genetic make up and your culture is traditions.

Man there has been riots between hispanics and blacks in schools around my area. I think its sad that we can't live in the same neighborhoods without finding excuses to hate each other. You would think that because we go through the same financial battles and live in the same areas that we would be able to unite as people but unfortunately most people don't have good sense God gave them.

Hispanics and whites used to terrorize blacks in NYC, chicago, and other places I know it happens in texas, right along with the irish and other immigrants, nothing new. but you would think in an integrated society in this day and age it would be on the decline, but i guess not.

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wow, i really have been gone for a while, i started the topic, and then didn't take part in it. Im really sorry guys.. :(

Sweet heart spanish people aint nothin but n***** who can swim really and those words you were speakin on are just ignorance on another level. so those words dont worry 'bout 'em they just hatin on all of our beauty that girl you know we have. and that comradery that blackpeople and spanish people have we cant help it ya'll are our distant cousin's so dont worry bout that there is no Spanish vs Black aight

Sweet heart spanish people aint nothin but n***** who can swim really and those words you were speakin on are just ignorance on another level. so those words dont worry 'bout 'em they just hatin on all of our beauty that girl you know we have. and that comradery that blackpeople and spanish people have we cant help it ya'll are our distant cousin's so dont worry bout that there is no Spanish vs Black aight

Well said, welcome to Destee.com Orangeblossom_7!

some spanish people are white dude, actually A lot of them are.

some spanish people are white dude, actually A lot of them are.

i was talking to one of my hispanic friends. it's obvious that in their culture derives a number of different ethnicities, black, white, etc.

Sweet heart spanish people aint nothin but n***** who can swim really and those words you were speakin on are just ignorance on another level. so those words dont worry 'bout 'em they just hatin on all of our beauty that girl you know we have. and that comradery that blackpeople and spanish people have we cant help it ya'll are our distant cousin's so dont worry bout that there is no Spanish vs Black aight


first and foremost, welcome to Destee, hope you enjoy the playground.
Glad you responded to my thread.

i guess my topic was a little too vague to my own experiences. I know exactly where you're coming from. But in the things that i have seen, it's even more taboo, or at least in my area, for spanish and black pple to not have conflict. It goes both ways. i've heard spanish pple say derogatory statements about blacks and vice versa. But then again it could be a NY thing. Maybe even just my borough. Just wanted to bring it to light. hope i aint offend nobody.

We are different;just because of the skin colour,of the mind,of..so many things!In our essence as men we are most of the time in conflict because we want the best for ourselves!For my own,it is forever that we'll see a racial conflict!We can't avoid it,it isn't possible

I already made that comment Brother Sekhemu. Many Latinos/Hispanics seem to classify themselves as Spanish, and most Americans not knowing much about different cultures could care less if this is an accurate description or not. You can see evidence of this in the "Spanish" section in the grocery store, I've been to Spain (I'm going back again in December), and I can assure you that Spaniards don't eat Tacos or Burritos.

While South America & much of the Caribbean were colonized by Spain (with the exception of Brazil), these people are not Spanish! Indeed I do not think Latinos/Hispanics would continue to classify themselves as Spanish if they knew how people from Spain look down at them (being with a woman from Spain, I can guarantee that they do), indeed Spaniards are some of the most racist people in the world! They were pioneers in the worldwide enslavement of people of color. Spain views South America & the Caribbean as a colony, they do not consider the people to be equals, nor a part of their culture.

In many cases, language is an influence of imperalism & slavery, this is the case here. Although South Americans speak Spanish, they are no more Spanish than Americans are from England because we speak English. They are no more Spanish than Haitians are from France because they speak French! If you are from Puerto Rico you're Puerto Rican not Spanish...If you are from the Dominican Republic, you're Dominican, not Spanish...from Mexico, you're Mexican not Spanish....from Cuba, you're Cuban, not Spanish, etc. Be proud of what you are, and where you come from. Don't identify with a culture that doesn't identify with you.

VERY well said Brutha Pan..*applause*

Much Peace,
Akilah :star:

We are different;just because of the skin colour,of the mind,of..so many things!In our essence as men we are most of the time in conflict because we want the best for ourselves!For my own,it is forever that we'll see a racial conflict!We can't avoid it,it isn't possible


Yeah i know that. BUt it is possible. I can't let go of it because of that reason. I hope it's possible.

honestly I think spanish people shouldn't be calling others or blacks the n word but I don't think anybody could do anything about it. We can't stop nobody from saying the things that they wanna say, we might not like the things that they say but we can't do nothing about it. People going to keep on doin' what they do

honestly I think spanish people shouldn't be calling others or blacks the n word but I don't think anybody could do anything about it. We can't stop nobody from saying the things that they wanna say, we might not like the things that they say but we can't do nothing about it. People going to keep on doin' what they do


you have a point. But then again, by standing by and watching it happen, at least in our closed circle, can mean that we accept it.

you have a point. but then again, by standing by an watching it happen, at least in our closed circle, can mean that we accept it. you have a point. But then again, by standing by and watching it happen, at least in our closed circle, can mean that we accept it.

Very true this happens all the time, and it's appalling

Yeah, but for me it still makes me wanna do sumthin' bout it

I think Spanish and black folks have there own identity. We all might hang together, but deep down inside they dont forget there roots. It all depends on where there from. Some mexicans live in a whiter neiborhood so they act whiter. It all depends on where u place ur hat at the end of the day. :thinking: :thinking:

Spanish people are all white, maybe you all are speaking of Latinos/Hispanics. Some hate on Blacks because they are next to us on the color pyramid(brown). They do this to constantly remind themselves of the "difference" between us. They may feel some type of soul connection, but choose to stick with their own brethren for beneficial reasons, especially the visibly mixed Latinos:wave:

Spanish people are all white, maybe you all are speaking of Latinos/Hispanics. Some hate on Blacks because they are next to us on the color pyramid(brown). They do this to constantly remind themselves of the "difference" between us. They may feel some type of soul connection, but choose to stick with their own brethren for beneficial reasons, especially the visibly mixed Latinos:wave:

Spain is in Europe, so it is safe to say most Spaniards are white. However all Spaniards are not white. There are many blacks in Spain (I'm married to one), check out this thread:

http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37577

You are correct in pointing out the difference between Spaniards and Latinos, they aren't the same. The only similiarity they have is language, and even then they speak different dialects. Those Latinos who have the same complexion as black Americans, look that way for the same reason we do (they are the descendants of African slaves).

If they are a black Latino they are justified in saying Spanish, but they should also say black too... like blacks say Black American, or Black Englishman.

If they are a black Latino they are justified in saying Spanish, but they should also say black too... like blacks say Black American, or Black Englishman.

They aren't justified in saying they're Spanish, because they aren't Spanish. Spain is a country (in Europe), and Spanish is a nationality. A person can only say they are Spanish if they were born in Spain. Latinos are not Spanish, they are from Latino culture from whatever country they were born: Panama, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Honduras, etc.

They aren't justified in saying they're Spanish, because they aren't Spanish. Spain is a country (in Europe), and Spanish is a nationality. A person can only say they are Spanish if they were born in Spain. Latinos are not Spanish, they are from Latino culture from whatever country they were born: Panama, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Honduras, etc.

Most Latinos use Spanish and Latino interchangeably, so the terminology has become such that Spanish = anyone who uses the language, whether Spanish from Spain or someone from a Latino country. Not saying it's right, but that's how it is at least in America. In fact many would associate Spanish with a Latino automatically because of how long such terminology has been used.


But if someone were to be more technical, then it is proper for them to call themselves Black Latinos. It is not proper to identify soley with the ethncity if they are considered to be black... this is my opinion.

Most Latinos use Spanish and Latino interchangeably, so the terminology has become such that Spanish = anyone who uses the language, whether Spanish from Spain or someone from a Latino country. Not saying it's right, but that's how it is at least in America. In fact many would associate Spanish with a Latino automatically because of how long such terminology has been used.


But if someone were to be more technical, then it is proper for them to call themselves Black Latinos. It is not proper to identify soley with the ethncity if they are considered to be black... this is my opinion.

Most Latinos use Spanish & Latino interchangeably because they want to be considered Spanish.....they aren't. Using the identification of Spanish to classify Latinos is incorrect. If you don't believe me, ask a true Spanaird (from Spain) this question. I guarantee you that they will say the same thing.

Most Latinos use Spanish & Latino interchangeably because they want to be considered Spanish.....they aren't. Using the identification of Spanish to classify Latinos is incorrect. If you don't believe me, ask a true Spanaird (from Spain) this question. I guarantee you that they will say the same thing.


It might be incorrect, but it is not stopping them from doing so nor is it stopping the average American perception that Spanish = Latino. This is similar to how the word Indian is used to denote Native American... though with the influx of Indian immigrants coming to the country this perception is changing.

If they are a black Latino they are justified in saying Spanish, but they should also say black too... like blacks say Black American, or Black Englishman.
They are considered Latinos, simply because the majority are 1/3 Spanish/Portuguese. A lot of them will put Spanish over their African, and native ancestors because they are ashamed of the conquest against them.

A Spanish person is anyone who resides in Spain(more recent defintion of it would be all Latinos). People of Spain consider themselves to be true Spanish people, though.
A Latino is someone from Latin America, who speaks Spanish, and shares some of the cultre.
A Latin person can be an Italian, French, Latino, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgium, etc.
Latin and Latino are not the same thing.
In order to be Latino you have to be Latin already, but you don't have to be a Latino in order to be Latin.
Hispanic originally referred to the people of Spain, too, but now it is used as a racial classification.
Man, my sister use to give it to me on this Latino/Latin culture thing, lol.

A Spanish person is anyone who resides in Spain(more recent defintion of it would be all Latinos). People of Spain consider themselves to be true Spanish people, though. A Latino is someone from Latin America, who speaks Spanish, and shares some of the cultre.
A Latin person can be an Italian, French, Latino, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgium, etc. Latin and Latino are not the same thing. In order to be Latino you have to be Latin already, but you don't have to be a Latino in order to be Latin. Hispanic originally referred to the people of Spain, too, but now it is used as a racial classification. Man, my sister use to give it to me on this Latino/Latin culture thing, lol.

You gave an excellent analysis here brother Deepvoice. The people who we are now calling "Latinos" are causing much confusion, because what they are currently classifying themselves is not historically accurate. Technically a Latino is someone who speaks a Latin language. Which you correctly pointed out includes Italians, French, Portuguese, and Greeks. Therefore it isn't accurate to denote South Americans as "Latino" because Latinos extend beyond just them. It certainly is not correct to call them Spanish or Spanairds, because that denotes a nationality (Spain), not a group. The most accurate thing to call them would be Hispanic, which indicates the language being used. Personally I think they should be refered to by their country/nationality, because certainly they are not all the same. However if they must be grouped together (which people in the US love to do), I think simply calling them "South Americans" would leave little room for confusion.

WELL TO ME SPANISH AND BLACK IZ THA SAME EXACT THING U GO BACK DOMINICAN IZ BLACK SPANISH PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROUGH MOST OF THA THINGS WE HAVE BUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SLAVERY WERE ALL MINORITIES AND ALL HATED BY THA "WHITE MAN" SO BASICALLY BLACK VS. SPANISH SHULDNT EVEN EXIST TO ME WE SHULD BE UNITED JUS LIKE BROTHERZ AND SISTERZ BUT I GUESS THAT IZ JUST ENTIRELY TOO MUCH TO ASK 4 AFTER ALL LOOK HOW US BLACKS TREAT EACHOTHER N IM NOT GOIN TO SIT HERE N ACT LIKE IM TTHE ALL MIGHTY HOLY KNOWLEDGE GIVER OFF ALL RIGHT BECUZ IVE UZED THE N WORD ALSO ITS NOT IN MY EVERY LAST SENTENCE LIKE SUM BUT I USE IT ENUFF N I KNO SPANISH PEOPLE THAT USE IT N TOO ME I DONT REALLY MIND IT IM NOT CONDONING IT BUT I DONT KNOCKIN THA MANY PEOPLE THAT USE IT PLUS PEOPLE HAVE THEIR DIFFERENT REASONS FOR USING IT:blowkiss:

In my high school people have the habit of calling us Hispanics as "Spanish people," which I've been doing since last year (my junior year). I used to correct people throughout middle school and my freshman and sophmore years of high school, but people are just too ignorant or stupid to really care. I have white friends who I used to lecture about this all the time, who never bothered to correct themselves the next time around, and they did this on purpose. See, a lot of people like to irritate me and other Hispanics by purposely referring to us with the wrong identity. I think its their way of saying, "You know what. . .I really don't care." After five years of correcting stubborn and purposely stupid people, it just gets tiring. There's no use in correcting someone who wants to be ignorant.

As for the Black vs. Hispanic thing, I've been noticing that too. I think that the media (mainly the music idustry, late-night comedians, and movie plot lines) now has more Blacks and Hispanics performing in their areas, and it seems that a lot of these people are separating their race from either the black race if they're Hispanic, or the Hispanic race if they're Black. You know, I'll see the annoying, mocking joke on Chapelle's Show, and you'll see the annoying joke on Mind of Mencia, I'll hear the very subtle lyrics in your rap and you'll hear the almost unnoticeable line in our songs. I think that at this point, either side is too scared to outright say, "Stop associating me with them," but I'm seeing more and more effort on the separation.

It's actually really confusing when I start to think about it. Sometimes movies will come out uniting both races, like Hitch, but then on television I'll notice more of an independence thing going on. In my school its not that bad; people from both sides will hang out together, but there are moments when tension can be felt.

I dont really see this that much.

I dont really see this that much.

You might not, but others obviously have.

We must remember that Spanish is a culture, Black is a race.

You have many races in a culture and a race can practice many cultures.

True, Dual Karnayn. Original Spanish people are/were white/Aryan though...............thought I'd nit-pick ya:yawn:

Spicy

True, Dual Karnayn. Original Spanish people are/were white/Aryan though...............thought I'd nit-pick ya
You know what happened......

The original Spanish were white Basques and Gauls.

The Moors and Arabs invaded driving some out and mixing in with others.

After about 700 years of Black and Arab rule and mixing, when whites were able to gain control again they kicked out everybody who was dark skinned whether they were Black, Arab, Jew, or even Spanish.

All were driven to North Africa leaving only a pale pasty type of white in Spain.

Not the blushing ruddy type of white like the English and Germans.
But that "smooth yogurt" type of white that lets you know there must have been some color in there at some point....lol.

We must remember that Spanish is a culture, Black is a race. You have many races in a culture and a race can practice many cultures.

Partially true! "Spanish" is a language. "Hispanic" is a culture. The rest I agree with completely!

PanAfrica

Partially true! "Spanish" is a language. "Hispanic" is a culture. The rest I agree with completely!
I stand corrected.
I was thinking of Espanic culture that spawned from those who spoke the Espanol language.

[B]I stand corrected.
I was thinking of Espanic culture that spawned from those who spoke the Espanol language.

No problem brother Dual Karnayn. You could also say that "Spanish" can also be classified as a nationality, which would denote people from Spain. A comparision would be French. It denotes both a language and nationality (people from France). However everyone who speaks French (which includes many countries in Africa, the Caribbean, and South America) are not French. Similarly every who speaks Spanish is not "Spanish". I hope that was clear.

Give Watchwoman1, a break with this ridiculous debate.

First, of all even in Puerto Rico, the African slaves mixed with Spaniards/Taino Indians. Did you know slavery was abolished in Puerto Rico in 1865? Infact, Puerto Rico means Rich Door. Are you going to say now you are a Rich Door? LOL. Please, do not let me give you an entire history lesson, how Africans slaves were scattered world-wide which include spanish-speaking countries.

My family, speak Portuguese. And though born in America, I am still considered Black. It just a language difference. This is childish for Blacks speaking Spanish, English, Portuguese, Italian, French etc. to label each other by language. That is what our former slave masters want. It reminds me of how we were before the Black Power Movement with that language identity superior syndrome.

My goodness, this is 2005 and we have computers, now.

wow guys...lol, im glad the debate is actually still moving along....

Give Watchwoman1, a break with this ridiculous debate.

First, of all even in Puerto Rico, the African slaves mixed with Spaniards/Taino Indians. Did you know slavery was abolished in Puerto Rico in 1865? Infact, Puerto Rico means Rich Door. Are you going to say now you are a Rich Door? LOL. Please, do not let me give you an entire history lesson, how Africans slaves were scattered world-wide which include spanish-speaking countries.

My family, speak Portuguese. And though born in America, I am still considered Black. It just a language difference. This is childish for Blacks speaking Spanish, English, Portuguese, Italian, French etc. to label each other by language. That is what our former slave masters want. It reminds me of how we were before the Black Power Movement with that language identity superior syndrome.

My goodness, this is 2005 and we have computers, now.

WAtchwoman u made some valid points that i agree with...however i noticed a tone of "we should have known all of this" in what u were writing...and i think that the only way we can kno anything is if we are educated by each other. So feel free to express urself...becuz if not, then u shouldn't get frustrated when u meet the same people and the same views...i mean, besides, who's telling them different.


oh yeah. ..computers dont make much of a difference...or else why is there still racism? lol:rolleyes:

Word from MzSoulll

Hey I am BLK/Latina and I rep it to the fullest sum blacks get on for it because they say I'm lyin but I tell dem to shut their trap and do the research I am a proud BLK/ BoriQUA and I'm lovin it!!!

Puerto Rico doesn't mean rich door, it means rich port. "Puerta" is door not "puerto."

I also searched on this subject when I saw this thread because a lot of Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Cubans, Brazilians, and other South Americans don't consider themselves "black" and I found this topic:

http://www.dr1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47168

What do you guys think?

I kinda agree but disagree at the same time.