SOME BELIEVE THAT BLACK MALES WOULD DO BETTER ACADEMICALLY IF YOU SEPARATE THEM FROM THE FEMALES, BECAUSE IT REDUCES DISTRACTIONS. IN DETROIT, THERE IS A ALL MALE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CALLED THE MALCOLM X ACADEMY WHO'S STUDENTS STATISTICALLY CARRY A HIGHER GPA THAN OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE DETROIT PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM OF THAT AGE GROUP. UNFORTUNATELY, THE ACADEMY HAS FACED SOME CONTROVERSY. WHITE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WANTED THE SCHOOL TO BE USED FOR THEIR CHILDREN ( THE BUILDING HAD BEEN EMPTY FOR YEARS BEFORE THEY TRANSFORMED IT INTO THE ACADEMY AND YOU NEVER HEARD A PEEP FROM THOSE PEOPLE ). EVEN MORE UNFORTUNATE, YOU HAD BLACK WOMEN WHO WANTED TO ENROLL THEIR LITTLE GIRLS IN THE SCHOOL, WHICH TOTALLY DEFEATED THE PURPOSE. DO YOU THINK ALL MALE HIGH SCHOOLS WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL?
WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THIS PEEPS?

They have just opened a similar school here in Seattle for girls (primarily black girls) grades K-8 emphasizing math and science. I think we need more schools like them for both sexes.

Aren't Prisons All-Black Male Schools?!

:yesno: Begs the question

Cedric Denson

Aren't Prisons All-Black Male Schools?!

:yesno: Begs the question

Cedric Denson


ARE YOU SERIOUS MAN? THAT WAS A CRAZY ***** COMPARISON BRO. WOULD YOU WANT YOUR SON TO GO TO THE MALCOLM X ACADEMY OR TO PRISON TO GET A FORMAL EDUCATION? I USUALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY CEDRIC MAN, BUT YOU LOST ME WITH THAT ONE FELLA. :?:


THAT'S MY "BIG" OPINION.

In my area we have 2 all boy schools and 1 all girl school
been here for years....

COOL! THE MALCOLM X ACADEMY HAS A LARGELY AFRICAN AMERICAN MALE STAFF ALSO. THIS INSURES THE PRESENCE OF MANY POSITIVE BLACK MALE INFLUENCES.

At first I had my doubts as to the benefits of an "all Black male" school even though I understood the logic behind it. Part of me thinks that having schools like this send the message that boys/men can't function intelligently around girls/women and I wonder if that's a healthy way to raise our youth and message to convey. On the other hand, if you can believe the data that reports the low numbers in test scores and graduation rates among Black boys, it doesn't hurt to help them focus more on their books by isolating them during the day from girls. Girls are only a distraction if you let them be and some of us do thrive off of male attention and go to great lengths to get it. So, if (honest) studies show that Black boys are benefitting from these types of schools and it's not harming them or girls socially as a result, then I'm all in favor of them.

Queenie :spinstar:

COOL! THE MALCOLM X ACADEMY HAS A LARGELY AFRICAN AMERICAN MALE STAFF ALSO. THIS INSURES THE PRESENCE OF MANY POSITIVE BLACK MALE INFLUENCES.

Let's pray that they are all POSITIVE Black male influences. :bowdown:

Queenie :spinstar:

Many societies in Africa seperate education by gender, and it is considered to be benificial to the learning process!

Part of me thinks that having schools like this send the message that boys/men can't function intelligently around girls/women and I wonder if that's a healthy way to raise our youth and message to convey. Girls are only a distraction if you let them be and some of us do thrive off of male attention and go to great lengths to get it.
Queenie :spinstar:


I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS 12,AND STARING MR PUBERTY IN THE FACE. Y'ALL WERE VERY DISTRACTING THEN, TRUST ME. DIDN'T MATTER WHETHER I WANTED YOU TO BE OR NOT.

Let's pray that they are all POSITIVE Black male influences. :bowdown:

Queenie :spinstar:

WELL QUEENIE, THAT IS THE IDEA.

ARE YOU SERIOUS MAN? THAT WAS A CRAZY ***** COMPARISON BRO. WOULD YOU WANT YOUR SON TO GO TO THE MALCOLM X ACADEMY OR TO PRISON TO GET A FORMAL EDUCATION? I USUALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY CEDRIC MAN, BUT YOU LOST ME WITH THAT ONE FELLA. :?:


THAT'S MY "BIG" OPINION.

I said that out of humor. Most of the time I don't do this. I like to be around the sistahs and help the sistahs out too. This is school we are talking about. Haven't we been separated enough?

Cedric Denson

Peace,



Im with Cedric.... I think this is implying that men can't funtion well around women.

They aren't MEN, they are boys.

What I find interesting is...the focus to me is about having black boys learning together...not necessarily without black girls, but away from white people.

Peace,



Im with Cedric.... I think this is implying that men can't funtion well around women.


YOU GUYS SEEM TO BE GETTING FREAKED OUT THINKING THAT THE FOCUS IS ON SEPARATING US FROM THE WOMEN. IT'S ABOUT EDUCATION FELLAS (SEE WHAT I MEAN ABOUT BEING DISTRACTED)
THE STATISTICS SHOW THAT THE AVERAGE GPA OF THE BOYS IN THOSE SCHOOLS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE GPA OF THE BOYS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.THAT'S A PROVEN FACT. WHAT EXACTLY IS IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS, JR GETTING AN EDUCATION AND GOING ONTO COLLEGE, OR HIM FINDING A LITTLE GIRLFRIEND. THE AVERAGE HIGH SCHOOL BROTHER KNOWS HOW TO HOOK UP WITH THE GIRLIES BUT HE CAN'T TELL YOU A D@MN THING ABOUT WHAT HE REALLY SHOULD BE LEARNING IN SCHOOL.


THAT'S MY "BIG" OPINION.

Well, I don not intend to stir up anything in anyway, but if a responsible and caring parent raised their children well enough, they will not have to worry about whether their children go to school to date or not. The exact parents that I know who do not spend much time educating their children at home are the same parents whose children go to school to date. Remember, education starts at home. If your child is being educated at home (without distractions), then you do not have to worry about them going off to school and being distracted. So is that what you are going to do at home: Separate your daughters from your sons when you read a story to them? Where did this idea of same-sex schools come from anyway? And why was it made? If dating is such a big problem, How about teaching your children not to date when they are so young?

And if you want to separate boys from girls in rudimentary schools, then separate them from colleges too.

Besides, there is a program in the area of my school called Masterminds, where schools compete against eachother. And our co-ed school almost blanked an All-boys private school! Not to mention, our class was much smarter!

I just don't see why after so many years of boys and girls working well together, it should stop.

Cedric Denson

THE STATISTICS SHOW THAT THE AVERAGE GPA OF THE BOYS IN THOSE SCHOOLS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE GPA OF THE BOYS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.THAT'S A PROVEN FACT. WHAT EXACTLY IS IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS, JR GETTING AN EDUCATION AND GOING ONTO COLLEGE, OR HIM FINDING A LITTLE GIRLFRIEND.
THAT'S MY "BIG" OPINION.

Did it occur to you that ATHLETICS would be a distraction? My High School Football Team's best 5 players all had under 2.8. One of them had 1.9! This is because they soend all the time in the world on the football fields and hanging out with their buddies than sitting at home and studying. They don't fall behind because of the females. In my junior year, I had a 3.7 GPA, and that fell when I got a part-time job, and I got involved in track. Girls have nothing to do with it. They get their educations just like we do.

What is the point of All-Black Male Schools - To bring the brothas' grades up? Let me tell you, sports and athletics is WAY bigger than getting the females!

Cedric Denson

I think it's a step in the right direction, but what we really need is all-black schools that teach morals to our youth instead of just sex ed.

If we have to seperate our children so they'd get better grades, what's gonna happen when they enter the land of employment, where they have to work side by side with women and they don't have that experience of being in the same vicinity for prolonged hours with the opposite sex?

But, it is a start.

Sister Carrie, when does a boy "officially" become a man and at what age or grade level do these Black male academies teach?

So, if it's not about gender and the "potential" distraction that girls/women can cause young boys/men, and it's more about boys/men receiving the preferred benefit of a quality education in an exclusive setting, then does that mean that the public education system is seriously flawed as compared to what is being taught to Black boys/men in an all-Black male academy? Does it mean that Black boys/men can't learn what they need to know in an integrated classroom or are they not being taught what they need to know there?

If it's not about gender, then is it about race? Exclusive schools once legally segregated for white boys primarily from wealthy white families taught them how to be "white" men living in a society led/controlled by white men. Who are Black-male academies for and what do they teach and for what purpose?

Queenie :spinstar:

:band: I would say it could be a positive reinforcement of ancient practices that once held rites of passages as a necessary component as an introduction into society. As long as the Arts and Music are encouraged then it is very feasable. Music and the Arts are the source of creativity and allows children to approach obstacles with a myriad of possible solutions.

:band: I would say it could be a positive reinforcement of ancient practices that once held rites of passages as a necessary component as an introduction into society. As long as the Arts and Music are encouraged then it is very feasable. Music and the Arts are the source of creativity and allows children to approach obstacles with a myriad of possible solutions.

Excellent post, Waterbearer!!!!

Peace!
Isaiah

YOU GUYS SEEM TO BE GETTING FREAKED OUT THINKING THAT THE FOCUS IS ON SEPARATING US FROM THE WOMEN. IT'S ABOUT EDUCATION FELLAS (SEE WHAT I MEAN ABOUT BEING DISTRACTED)
THE STATISTICS SHOW THAT THE AVERAGE GPA OF THE BOYS IN THOSE SCHOOLS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE GPA OF THE BOYS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.THAT'S A PROVEN FACT. WHAT EXACTLY IS IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS, JR GETTING AN EDUCATION AND GOING ONTO COLLEGE, OR HIM FINDING A LITTLE GIRLFRIEND. THE AVERAGE HIGH SCHOOL BROTHER KNOWS HOW TO HOOK UP WITH THE GIRLIES BUT HE CAN'T TELL YOU A D@MN THING ABOUT WHAT HE REALLY SHOULD BE LEARNING IN SCHOOL.


THAT'S MY "BIG" OPINION.

Bigtown, great idea, man - and I love your passion!!! Regardless of how crazy you get sometimes, you're always thinking about the betterment of African people...(smile!) You be as crazy as you wanna be, bruh! :horse: (smile!)

Peace!
isaiah

waterbearer, welcome to our community. It's wonderful to have you join us and contribute to our discussions!

You wrote that all-Black male academies "could be a positive reinforcement of ancient practices that once held rites of passages as a necessary component as an introduction into society." Do you know of any that practice this philosophy? Also, do you see any changes that are necessary to be made in the "rites of passage" ritual to prepare our Black male youth as part of their introduction into a multi-racial and multi-cultural society as opposed to a homogeneous one that was in existence during our African history?

You also wrote that, "...Music and the Arts are the source of creativity and allows children to approach obstacles with a myriad of possible solutions." These are usually the academic programs that get cut in a public school system when there's a shortage of funding and now that we're trying to compete with other more advanced school systems around the world. How should these academies react to this?

Queenie :spinstar:

In canada they started making these with just boys(nothing about only brothers) but not the whole school, just academics like science, socials and english with the same results.

I have several questions regarding this discussion. Brother Bigtown originally wrote that the students attending Malcolm X Academy are doing better academically than Black boys who attend co-ed schools. My question is, is there evidence that proves that the reason for this success is due to the boy's separation from girls or are these boys just being taught differently? What were the over-riding reasons that led to the idea that Black boys would learn better if they attended schools restricted to them only? What factors have been identified to contribute to the academic success of these students?

Queenie :spinstar:

I have seen studies that simply separating boys and girls during periods where core subjects are taught is the key....for boys of any race. I think that is the best way so that boys and girls can be socialized together but concentrate when it is time....it also saves time and resources it might take to make tottaly separate schools....you could work with the existing school so it would be cost effective and afordable to the community.

Sister Carrie, when does a boy "officially" become a man and at what age or grade level do these Black male academies teach?

So, if it's not about gender and the "potential" distraction that girls/women can cause young boys/men, and it's more about boys/men receiving the preferred benefit of a quality education in an exclusive setting, then does that mean that the public education system is seriously flawed as compared to what is being taught to Black boys/men in an all-Black male academy? Does it mean that Black boys/men can't learn what they need to know in an integrated classroom or are they not being taught what they need to know there?

If it's not about gender, then is it about race? Exclusive schools once legally segregated for white boys primarily from wealthy white families taught them how to be "white" men living in a society led/controlled by white men. Who are Black-male academies for and what do they teach and for what purpose?

Queenie :spinstar:

Firstly, I have no idea what the official age is that a boy becomes a MAN. All I was trying to point out is that people who were initially responding on this thread kept focusing on dating when most YOUNG boys in elementary and middle schools don't date anyway because they are little boys. It seemed to me the other part of the focus was also about black boys being away from white people too.

Secondly I can only speak about the schools we have here in Seattle. One is the African American Academy. It is an all black school with both boys and girls. Majority of the kids do well in the school and I think it's because the teachers who are employed by that school WANT to teach black children and help them thrive...where as most public school teachers seem to avoid classes where most students are black. (They fail a lot of students by not dealing with them (answering questions after class, etc.) and because the school district has a low resource of teachers, the schools are stuck with bad teachers who don't want to teach) My daughter experienced times when teachers have told the classroom on the first week of school that "this is the only class that I'll have a problem with, because it was predominently black" and when it was addressed to the administration or school board, they said their hands were tied. So in my little opinion...I do feel segregation of color would be helpful. You can walk down the halls of Garfield High school and ask the kids they will tell you the teachers only want to teach the white kids.

The second school is a predominently black girls school enrolling girls from kindergarten through 8th grade. It focuses on math, science and arts. It's only been open for 2 years so I can only say that a few of my friends who have girls in the school have said they have improved drastically. The girls seems more confident, have better self esteem and strive to excell. They learn about their history and themselves and have a lot of black female role models. The school also has a lot of involvement from parents and family.

So I can't say that it benefits more than going to a regular public school, but if my daughter were 5 years old, I'd opt to enroll her in the black girls academy before enrolling her in a public school. (especially knowing first hand what she has gone through in the Seattle School District schools)

On the Tail end of the thread, I would just like to point out, I think it is more of teaching pedagogy than seperation.

Not adding anything new just attesting to with others in the thread, I can kind of hear the tone of more how the student is taught vs. seperation.

AS LONG AS THERE ARE MALLS, BOYS AND GIRLS WILL SOCIALIZE. TRUST ME.

THAT'S MY "BIG" OPINION.

AS LONG AS THERE ARE MALLS, BOYS AND GIRLS WILL SOCIALIZE. TRUST ME.

THAT'S MY "BIG" OPINION.

Again...that is not the sole topic of the thread.

But boys and girls will only socialize at the mall if you let them go to the mall alone.

At first I had my doubts as to the benefits of an "all Black male" school even though I understood the logic behind it. Part of me thinks that having schools like this send the message that boys/men can't function intelligently around girls/women and I wonder if that's a healthy way to raise our youth and message to convey. On the other hand, if you can believe the data that reports the low numbers in test scores and graduation rates among Black boys, it doesn't hurt to help them focus more on their books by isolating them during the day from girls. Girls are only a distraction if you let them be and some of us do thrive off of male attention and go to great lengths to get it. So, if (honest) studies show that Black boys are benefitting from these types of schools and it's not harming them or girls socially as a result, then I'm all in favor of them.

Queenie :spinstar:

Well, I dunno. A lot of successful blacks have graduated from Morehouse, (an all black male school), and Spelman, (an all black female school).

I think all boy or all girl schools are a good idea. They seem to work well in England and there used to be an all male military school in North Carolina(?) until a girl sued to become a cadet. Kids get caught up in the flirting and forget about their school work, I know I was guilty of this.

I don't know about seperating the races though.

I think all boy or all girl schools are a good idea. They seem to work well in England and there used to be an all male military school in North Carolina(?) until a girl sued to become a cadet. Kids get caught up in the flirting and forget about their school work, I know I was guilty of this.

I don't know about seperating the races though.

HBCUs are predominatly black because whites wouldn't allow blacks to go to their colleges. The black community had to do something. Thus, the HBCU was born.

As far as 'race separation'. First off, I have never heard of any HBCU denying someone in today's time or in earlier days based on race. In fact, I remember reading an article about a prominent Asian person who had attended such a school. So, if other races want to go to an HBCU they are more than welcome. Most don't because they have the ignorant perception that an HBCU would provide an inferior education compared to a white university.

Secondly, for black students, black colleges are very worthwhile because they teach things from a black perspective. They show you how to find success despite all of the obstacles of racism. They also care about you more as a student; they're more willing to work with you to succeed in the school.

HBCUs are predominatly black because whites wouldn't allow blacks to go to their colleges. The black community had to do something. Thus, the HBCU was born.

As far as 'race separation'. First off, I have never heard of any HBCU denying someone in today's time or in earlier days based on race. In fact, I remember reading an article about a prominent Asian person who had attended such a school. So, if other races want to go to an HBCU they are more than welcome. Most don't because they have the ignorant perception that an HBCU would provide an inferior education compared to a white university.

Secondly, for black students, black colleges are very worthwhile because they teach things from a black perspective. They show you how to find success despite all of the obstacles of racism. They also care about you more as a student; they're more willing to work with you to succeed in the school.

That was very well said!

CD

That was very well said!

CD

Thank you. :)

As far as 'race separation'. First off, I have never heard of any HBCU denying someone in today's time or in earlier days based on race. In fact, I remember reading an article about a prominent Asian person who had attended such a school. So, if other races want to go to an HBCU they are more than welcome. Most don't because they have the ignorant perception that an HBCU would provide an inferior education compared to a white university. Secondly, for black students, black colleges are very worthwhile because they teach things from a black perspective. They show you how to find success despite all of the obstacles of racism. They also care about you more as a student; they're more willing to work with you to succeed in the school.

I've gone to white universities (the University of Baltimore/University of Maryland) & HBCUs (Morgan State University/Coppin State University). There were both white students & faculty at the HBCUs. Also the courses were more difficult at HBCUs, although I excelled in both environments! HBCUs were indeed created because blacks were not allowed to attend white universities in mass. The lifting of this racist restriction did not eliminate the need for HBCUs. Indeed the closing of black institutions & business when Jim Crow was eliminated was one of the biggest mistakes of our community. It is a primary reason why there are so few black businesses today. The message was we don't need to build for ourselves, the white man will provide (and what he has is better). This is a cancerous attitude to adopt. Currently with the decrease in minority scholarships & admissions to white universities, HBCUs are once again showing that they are necessary in today's time!

I've gone to white universities (the University of Baltimore/University of Maryland) & HBCUs (Morgan State University/Coppin State University). There were both white students & faculty at the HBCUs. Also the courses were more difficult at HBCUs, although I excelled in both environments! HBCUs were indeed created because blacks were not allowed to attend white universities in mass. The lifting of this racist restriction did not eliminate the need for HBCUs. Indeed the closing of black institutions & business when Jim Crow was eliminated was one of the biggest mistakes of our community. It is a primary reason why there are so few black businesses today. The message was we don't need to build for ourselves, the white man will provide (and what he has is better). This is a cancerous attitude to adopt. Currently with the decrease in minority scholarships & admissions to white universities, HBCUs are once again showing that they are necessary in today's time!


Word! :yo:

I think one of the reasons why White Universities started integrating so fast was because of the Athletic programs. They realized that blacks had an affinity for sports, so they just let them in. Just to be brief, I don't want to point any fingers, but look at how White collehes recruit: They pay for your plane ride, introduce you to the girls, invite you to parties, make Spring Break an exotic getaway, buy recruit's vehicles, etc. Black schools do not do this. It pains me to see how black players play harder for a white coach.

Anyway, back to the topic.

Black schools are needed now. We have to get used to taking our schools for the significance that it teaches a better version of History. I don't take kindly to the fact that Amerikkka is trying to shut our HBCU's down. For that very reason, that is why I stand up for what I believe in, and I WILL NOT attend a University of Florida, FSU, UGA, whatever... with or without the big money incentives.

CD

Black schools are needed now. We have to get used to taking our schools for the significance that it teaches a better version of History. I don't take kindly to the fact that Amerikkka is trying to shut our HBCU's down. For that very reason, that is why I stand up for what I believe in, and I WILL NOT attend a University of Florida, FSU, UGA, whatever... with or without the big money incentives. CD

Black schools are needed more now than at any other time since their founding! It makes me happy to see you at one brother Cedric Denson, with our most brilliant minds going to HBCUs, their attraction can only increase!

Brother Pan:

Let me tell you that a couple days ago, I had a rough day. I decided to take a walk, and after that, everything was back to normal. Anyway to cut to the chase, I got up this morning, and realized something. I realized how much my school (HBCU) was having trouble, and I came up with a new saying:
"YOU CANNOT SOLVE A PROBLEM BY RUNNING AWAY FROM THE SOLUTION."

As many students that there are at my college, and not too many of them have enough faith in themselves or the school that things can and will be fixed. Due to these problems, some students are talking about leaving the school, and going to the University of North Florida, or Jacksonville University or something like that. I said that the situation may be tough, but every school goes through tough situations. We need to stand together and keep our school up! That is what I say. Every HBCU has their problems, but if we cared anything about our Education, we need to take a stand: parents, students, faculty, alumni, etc. I believe in witnessing every HBCU getting right up there with those white schools. Morehouse, Spelman, and Howard WILL NOT be up there alone.

CD