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The Cultural Continuum (http://www.nbufront.org/html/FRONTalView/ArticlesPapers/Crawford_CultureContinuum.html)

Interesting peice...at some points he seems to blur the line between african traditional culture and what was happening in the south after slavery...but there is alot of good points in there. I knew about the nasty ways many europeans lived during the industrial revolution....they had no right to call anyone savage at all.

Good post, However, can you please elaborate on whites being European instead of American?

I am trying to find out whether they just came to America from Europe and imperialized it or what? In a way I get the part about the Dirt, and Fleas, but not the coming to America and calling themselves Americans. I mean if they were not supposed to be in America, Why were they here? How did they get here?

I need more information on this.

Cedric Denson

thanks old soul...such an important thread....I had read that L. Crawford piece ...your thread reminds me of the days John Henry Clarke would have sessions at a church on l45th Street in nyc..
I use the word europeans consistently, for i do believe that is what they are and it helps to get pass the concept of black and white and force one to identify ones root.
I always think how they made Oliver Twist into a musical...so that they and, alas, us really don't have to get to the essence of that novel
there is also another novel the european patrick gunther wrote entitled "perfume"...the first novel i read that really gave me a sense of smell...and the description of the garbage and filth should make anybody realize how dirty and unclean the french society was...in a way so bad it helped to start a revolution..
important thread...thanks for sharing

If European are not supposed to be here, than why are they here?

They're here because they came to claim/conquer more land for themselves, to build and improve upon their "empire" and to find ways to make themselves "richer." This is what I was told throughout school. Very very few of us in America actually have the right to be here. When the Mayflower docked, those Europeans settlerswere given rights to the land by a king who did not own the land! You cannot give someone something that you do not own; that makes the contract void.

They're here because they came to claim/conquer more land for themselves, to build and improve upon their "empire" and to find ways to make themselves "richer." This is what I was told throughout school. Very very few of us in America actually have the right to be here. When the Mayflower docked, those Europeans settlerswere given rights to the land by a king who did not own the land! You cannot give someone something that you do not own; that makes the contract void.

Ms. Toylin, why do you condemn the actions of the Europeans? If I were you—instead of deriding the Europeans—I would study and learn from their actions. What they did as a group (especially the Anglo-Saxon variety) was a brilliant and most ingenious example of how to achieve and construct the triangular prism of social, economic and political power over the world. One...worthy of imitation!!! Thanx.

The actions of the europeans must be condemned because they are perverted and outright evil. Do you want to imitate murder, rape, pillage, disease and perversions?
The "brilliance" of "what they did as a group, especially the anglo-saxon variety", led to genocide, holocausts, slavery and much more. Their "achievement" of the "triangular prism of social, economic and political power" is the most corrupt system of governing people ever concocted by any civilization. In fact, it's an abomination to call this modern decrepitude a civilization. If our ancestors heard us calling it a civilization, they'd think we've completely lost our minds.
Europe was built on the bloody sweat of Black people.
America was built on the sweat and blood of Black people.
On whose blood and sweat should we "imitate" this wickedness?

The actions of the europeans must be condemned because they are perverted and outright evil. Do you want to imitate murder, rape, pillage, disease and perversions?
The "brilliance" of "what they did as a group, especially the anglo-saxon variety", led to genocide, holocausts, slavery and much more. Their "achievement" of the "triangular prism of social, economic and political power" is the most corrupt system of governing people ever concocted by any civilization. In fact, it's an abomination to call this modern decrepitude a civilization. If our ancestors heard us calling it a civilization, they'd think we've completely lost our minds.
Europe was built on the bloody sweat of Black people.
America was built on the sweat and blood of Black people.
On whose blood and sweat should we "imitate" this wickedness?

Hmm, I see. You have thoroughly observed the dealings of Europeans around the world...yet you have not learnt the lessons of their actions. I think you're involving waaaaay too much emotion into some thing that must be looked at rationally and with ice-cold precision and clear sightedness. Therefore I shall elaborate on my position:

Firstly, we must acknowledge that they (Europeans and Whites in general) have all the forms of power in this world (i.e. social, economic, political and military power) and we have none. From this premise we must then ask ourselves 'What actions did they take that allowed them to acquire all the power; and what actions did we take that caused us (Black people in general) to become so powerless?' Afrknroots, I think you've already stated the answer in your comments above. It was precisely because of the fact that Europeans committed those "perverted and outright evil" acts across the world, that they’re above us (and every body else) on the global totem pole. Black people like to talk about achieving power and constantly decry White supremacy...yet we do not understand why White Europeans possess all the power in this world. By looking at and studying the way they colonized the world...one can see the blue print of achieving global power over the world.


You asked me: "Do you want to imitate murder, rape, pillage, disease and perversions?"

My answer: YES...If need be!!!

Frankly, I think for you to assume Black people are capable of the evil intrigues of whites is wishful thinking on your part. But if you really believe we can pull it off, then more power, my brother. It would be an interesting experiment, never done before in the hundreds of thousands of years of Black people's history, and I'd be willing to join.
Here's my contribution to the plan. Make any necessary corrections.
We'd have to:
1. Contrive a fake religion, then send vanguard missionaries all over the world to soften the resistance and prepare the way for our colonizing armies.
2. Prepare colonizing armies that'll overpower their armies, just like theirs did ours centuries ago.
3. Import slaves of their kind into Africa, or wherever we choose to centralize our political, economic and social power. (That'll be sweet revenge.)
4. Have several large colonizing powers working together. Obviously such a worldwide undertaking would not succeed with small divided powers.
5. Have secret cartels behind this whole machiavelian coup, because as we all know, real power behind powerful governments is held by such cartels.
6. Re-write the last 6,000-year history to portray Black people in a better light, just like they re-wrote our history claiming to be the originators of all arts, science and culture.

You asked me: "Do you want to imitate murder, rape, pillage, disease and perversions?"

My answer: YES...If need be!!!

This sounds like a William O'Neal comment.

Interesting stuff my family!

But...........Europe may all the power, THEY ARE STILL AFRAID OF US!

Times have changed. Back then, our ancestors were not brains enough to stan up to a European. Now, we have strong people who will not tolerate such a thing. What do you think would happen if they tried to kick African-Americans out of America now? Do you think it will work? I don't, because Black Unity scares them. We are together, who can stop us? They are united; they are NOT separated; so they can do what ever they want to as long as power is on their side. We are not united like them. We don't even like eachother, and that is a shame, because all of pur ancestors experienced the same history. We were stripped of our dignity as a group, so we should gain our dignity back as a group. But we cannot do that with the way we communicate to one another.

I may be wrong about this, but perhaps rather than criticizing a brotha for being wrong, How about encouraging him Huh? :?:

Cedric Denson

Frankly, I think for you to assume Black people are capable of the evil intrigues of whites is wishful thinking on your part. But if you really believe we can pull it off, then more power, my brother. It would be an interesting experiment, never done before in the hundreds of thousands of years of Black people's history, and I'd be willing to join.
Here's my contribution to the plan. Make any necessary corrections.
We'd have to:
1. Contrive a fake religion, then send vanguard missionaries all over the world to soften the resistance and prepare the way for our colonizing armies.
2. Prepare colonizing armies that'll overpower their armies, just like theirs did ours centuries ago.
3. Import slaves of their kind into Africa, or wherever we choose to centralize our political, economic and social power. (That'll be sweet revenge.)
4. Have several large colonizing powers working together. Obviously such a worldwide undertaking would not succeed with small divided powers.
5. Have secret cartels behind this whole machiavelian coup, because as we all know, real power behind powerful governments is held by such cartels.
6. Re-write the last 6,000-year history to portray Black people in a better light, just like they re-wrote our history claiming to be the originators of all arts, science and culture.

Afrknroots, I could not have said it better myself. I think your beginning to get the idea of what needs to be done by Black people. However, I think you're right when you state that this has "never been done before in the hundreds of thousands of years of Black people's history." If you look at Black history in terms of millennia (and not starting 500 years ago, as most Black historians do) you will see that—for the most part—Black people have never been as single-mindedly ruthless in achieving power as Caucasians have. This is a trait which we still possess today and can be seen in almost everything that we do. In other threads I have constantly derided the fact that we act inappropriately when it comes to people who don't look like us. By this I mean that we are willing to give other people the same chances in entering our communities, functions, organization, companies etc, which we do with ourselves. This is a favor that those same other people would NEVER dream of returning to us—despite what they say about building 'coalitions' with us. This is a common mistake which just about every Black person (including me) has made at some point in their lives. This is why others can come into our community, settle down and then take over...with out any opposition. Which leaves us scratching our heads, wondering ‘What the hell just happened?!'

Another reason why Black remain in at the bottom is that unlike other people we do not collectively plan for the future of our children. We have literally experienced over 10,000 thousand years of battle with the Caucasians (The last 6000 years of which we have had been hunted down like animals and massacred to such a degree that we have lost the ability to plan the future greatness of our kids). Despite all the great civilizations which we've built through out history, all—WITH OUT EXCEPTION—have been destroyed by those by Caucasians. On another thread there was a discussion debating whether Whites could change their ways. I—to the disbelief of many posters—suggested to everybody that White people could never change, because they have been at this (trying to enslave the world—especially Blacks) since time memorial.

The third and final reason why Black people have been able to conquer the world (as it were) was that we involve strangers as arbitraries (i.e. Caucasians) into our internal disputes. As any good family knows, one does not involve strangers into family disputes. This is the key to maintaining a successful organization. That's what the Mafia use to maintain their internal integrity, despite the violent nature of their business.

Peace.

P.S. Afrknroots, I agree with every thing you state except the first point. We do not need to create a fake religion to impose on the world. Despite what you may have heard and read...there is ONE common religion that runs through out the continent of Africa. This religion is commonly referred to as animism (in the West). It has many names across the continent and is still very prevalent—despite the incursions of Islam and Christianity—all over the continent. It is practiced in from Haiti to Brazil; and from Timbuktu to Cape Town. There may be slight differentiations from group to group, but the common themes of the religion remain constant (unbelievably) despite the size and climate of the continent.
This universality of religious believes suggests that ALL Black people posses a common origin which long predates recorded history. Even before Kemet (the greatest of all Black civilization) came into being, we were practicing this religion. In fact, if you wish to understand the religion which the ancient Kemetians practiced one only has to study the religions being practiced in Africa or the Americas (e.g. Haiti, Jamaica, Brazil etc).