Who Was Yashua / Jesus Father ? :darts:

Before I answer this let me explain my point of view. My point view is that of a christian that believes in the Triunity of God and secondly one who understands who Jesus is. Lets start with the Triunity of God. Scientically it can be proven that one substance or essence can have multiple distinct facets or forms and remain the same. My example is H2O. The substance H2O can have three distinct facets. H2O can solid in the form of ice. The practical use for this is too lower the temperature of something or to slow the activity of something. Another facet of H2O is liquid. The practical uses of H2O in liquid form can go from being the force that powers and dam to the medium for making koolaid and everything in between. The last facet of H2O is gas. The practical uses range from ironing clothes to a precision cutting tool. Nevertheless H2O still remains H2O in essence though it may have many properties and purposes. H20 can also exhibit these facets simultaneously. How is that? H2O in outerspace H2O can boil from it's liquid state into gas due to the lack of pressurized atmosphere and H2O while in it's gas state it can freeze into ice crystals due the the lack of ambient heat. This process is almost instantaneous. So how does this the Bible explain this? Here are some examples:
Genesis: 1:26

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Matthew 28:19

19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

1 Peter 1:2

2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

In these scriptures we see the triunity of God. Even in the begin God displayed multiple aspects of himself.

Who is Jesus? Where many make their mistake is believing Jesus started with Mary's conception. There are numberous instances of the prophecy of Jesus. Here are a few:

Genesis 3:15

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors

Here is and instances where Jesus appears before his human birth:

Genesis 23:1-3

1 Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.

Here are some New Testiment descriptions of Jesus:

John 1:1-5

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Colossians 1:15-18

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

This proves Jesus was more than a man, but in Gospel of Matthew and Mark you see Jesus say "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This means Father, Father why hast thou forsaken me? Or Father, Father where have you gone to? What is believed is happening in these scripture is in order for salvation to be fullfilled God had to remove himself from the presence of Jesus to let the flesh that housed Jesus die. Jesus reacted the way he did because for the first time Jesus was alone and subject to the three dimensional world that man is accustomed too. So knowing that there has never been a time that Jesus did not exist, the answer the your question is God is Jesus in heaven. Jesus is body part of the Godhead Trinity of God. Therefore Jesus does not have a father in the same since as we do Jesus is a part of the Father.


Peace

Radical Faith

Before I answer this let me explain my point of view. My point view is that of a christian that believes in the Triunity of God and secondly one who understands who Jesus is. Lets start with the Triunity of God. Scientically it can be proven that one substance or essence can have multiple distinct facets or forms and remain the same. My example is H2O. The substance H2O can have three distinct facets. H2O can solid in the form of ice. The practical use for this is too lower the temperature of something or to slow the activity of something. Another facet of H2O is liquid. The practical uses of H2O in liquid form can go from being the force that powers and dam to the medium for making koolaid and everything in between. The last facet of H2O is gas. The practical uses range from ironing clothes to a precision cutting tool. Nevertheless H2O still remains H2O in essence though it may have many properties and purposes. H20 can also exhibit these facets simultaneously. How is that? H2O in outerspace H2O can boil from it's liquid state into gas due to the lack of pressurized atmosphere and H2O while in it's gas state it can freeze into ice crystals due the the lack of ambient heat. This process is almost instantaneous. So how does this the Bible explain this? Here are some examples:
Genesis: 1:26

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Matthew 28:19

19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

1 Peter 1:2

2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

In these scriptures we see the triunity of God. Even in the begin God displayed multiple aspects of himself.

Who is Jesus? Where many make their mistake is believing Jesus started with Mary's conception. There are numberous instances of the prophecy of Jesus. Here are a few:

Genesis 3:15

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors

Here is and instances where Jesus appears before his human birth:

Genesis 23:1-3

1 Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.

Here are some New Testiment descriptions of Jesus:

John 1:1-5

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Colossians 1:15-18

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

This proves Jesus was more than a man, but in Gospel of Matthew and Mark you see Jesus say "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This means Father, Father why hast thou forsaken me? Or Father, Father where have you gone to? What is believed is happening in these scripture is in order for salvation to be fullfilled God had to remove himself from the presence of Jesus to let the flesh that housed Jesus die. Jesus reacted the way he did because for the first time Jesus was alone and subject to the three dimensional world that man is accustomed too. So knowing that there has never been a time that Jesus did not exist, the answer the your question is God is Jesus in heaven. Jesus is body part of the Godhead Trinity of God. Therefore Jesus does not have a father in the same since as we do Jesus is a part of the Father.


Peace

Radical Faith

Again Thankyou For Shareing Your < Belief > You Know SomeThing You May Not Believe This But When I Use To Go To Diffrent Churchs To See What I Was Being Taught Was Right I Ask This Same Question Who Was Yashua / Jesus Father Or Is There A Difference BetweenThe Father And The Son In The Bible .. And Three Of The Churches Said Almost The Same Thing But In Diffrent Ways , I Was Ask To Leave Two Of After I Gave Them My Answer
If you ask any Christian who are these Verse pertaining to they would Answer
( WithOut A Doubt In Their Minds ) . that these Verse are Speaking of The Messiah Yashua , Also Take A LQQk At The Many Titles Which Are Attributed To Him . < Biblical Names Attributed To The Messiah Yashua >
The seed of woman < Genesis 3 ; 15 > The caption of Savation < Job 5 ; 13 - 14 > Wonderful < Isaiah 9 ; 6 ; Judge 13 ; 8 > I am that I am < Ex odus 3 ; 14 > The mighty God < Isaiah 9 ; 6 > Emmanuel < Isaiah 7; 14 > The Rose of Sharon lilly of the valley < Song of Solomon 2 ; 1 > Theprince of pace < Isaiah 9- 6 > The Mediator < 1Timothy 2 ; 5 > The helper < Hebrew 13 ; 6> The Rewarder of Faith < Hebrew11 ; 6 > The Branch < Zachariah 6 ; 12 > A Man of sorrows < Isaiah 53 ; 3 > The Bringer of Good Tidings < Isaiah 41 ; 27 > The Chief Cornerstone < Isaiah 28 ; 16 > The Redeemer < Job 19 ; 25 >
This is only a small list of the different names that are Attributed to The Messiah Yashua Without Even His Name Being Mentioned . I Repeat The Name '' Yashua / Jesus '' IS NOT FOUND IN ANY OF THESE VERSE . HowEver , You Have Christian Will Undoubtedly Tell You That These Verse Are In Fact Speaking About The Messiah Yashua < NOT >
I Again Repeat The Name '' Yashua / Jesus '' IS NOT FOUND IN ANY OF THESE VERSE .. OverStand SomeThing Ok I Deal Only In Facts Ok
Ans. There is a distinction made between the father , And the son John 5 ; 19 ''Then Answered Jesus And Said Unto Them , Verity , Verily , I Say Unto You The Son ( Hwee - Os ) . Can Do Nothing Of Himself , But What He Seeth The Father ( Pat - Ayr ) Notice Greek Word For Son is Spell ( Hwee - Os )
Bible - New Testament , 2John 1 - 3 ( With Greek Insert ) states , Grace be with you , mercy , and peace , from God the Father , and from the Lord Jesus Christ , theSon of the Father , in truth and love , '' .... Then when you go to 1John 4 ;14 - New Testament ( With Greek Insert ) A Letter To His Girl Friend Cyria , You Read ;... And We Have Seen And Do Testify That The Father Sent The Son To Be The Saviour Of The World '' And In 1John 2 ; 22 - New Testament ( With Greek Insert ) You Read , '' Who Is A Liar But He That Denieth That Jesus Is The Christ ? He Is Antichrist , That Denieth The Father And The Son '' These quotes above aremaking it clear that Jesus and God are not the same being or person , NoMore Then You And Your Father Are TheSame Person . LQQking at these quotes from Your King James Version of the Bible , Jesus could not have possibly been The Son And The Father . He has to be Either one or the other , And it is very clear which one is The Son That's All Just like all of Us are Children Of God ( John 10 ; 34 - 36 ) . So now as far as when They say in The Greek Translation John 1 ; 1 - New Testament ( With Greek Insert ) , It States ... '' In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God and the Word was God , <> They are really saying '' In The Beginning Their Was An Oath And That Oath Was The Word , ;....The Greek Word For In Is
'' En '' Which is also The Sumerian Word '' En '' or An '' Name Of The Highest And It Denotes A Position '' In Place , Time Or States Thus God Must Have Been At A Specific Place , At A Specific Time '' In The Beginning '' And Was God The Word ( Logos ) or Was The World ( Logos ) With God . Because It Couldn't Be With God And Be God . < Statement In Itself Would Contradict Itself ; The Word In Greek Log -Os Was A '' Speech , Saying , Decree '' From the Root Word Leg - O meaning '' Say , Speak '' Which In Hebrew would be Daw - Bar '' Word , Saying , Speech , Utterance '' Genesis 15 ; 1 , 4 , And The Greek Word Used For Beginning Is Ar - Khay Meaning '' Chief ( Order , Time , Place , Or Rank ) ;....Beginning , Corner ( At The , The ) First ( Estate ) Magistrate . Power , Principality . Principle , Rule ''
American Heritage Dictionary Defines Arch . As ;
Chief , Principal . From Middle English . Arche From , Old English , Arce , Erce , From Latin , Archi - Arch - , Fr Greek Arci . Are , Meaning '' Leader , Chief Ruler ' From The Stem Of Arceiv , To Begin , Rule '
In Serveral Quotes In The New Testament Jesus Made It Clear That You Are To Worship God And Not Him When He Made Reference To God He Used The Third Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular Me In Luke 4; 8 Jesus Says And I Quote He Said Worship Him Not Me
In John 4 ; 23 - 24 Jesus States Againt In The Red Letter Writting Of Your Bible And I Quote He Said Worship Him And Not Me .
And In John 14 ; 10 Jesus Gives All Praise And Gratitude To His Heavenly Father And I Quote He Used The Word He Not Me
The ( Trinity ) Is Of ( Pagan ) Origion And Every ( Pholytheistic ) Culture Has Their Own Reprentation Of It ... Common Sense Should Tell You That Three Person Yet One God Theory Is Impossible ..
( 1 ) Plus ( 1) Plus 1
God The Father God The Son God The Holy Ghost
Three Cannot Go Into One , With Yashu'a Was God How Could He Forsaken Himself (Matthew 27 ; 46 ... Mark 15; 34 ) And If He Was God Who Was He Calling Out To Himself ? I Thought God So Loved The World , That He Sent His Son To Die For You .. If That's True As John 3; 16 Says , Then Jesus Had Nothing To Do With It It Was That Father That Sent Him . In Matthew 6 ; 9 As Jesus Say '' Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' Because Jesus Say In John 13 ; 16 '' I Am Not Greater Than He Who Sent Me '' And In John 5; 30 He Says Again That '' I On My Own Accord Can Do Nothing '' Call No Man Father , Because There Is One Father Who Art In Heaven And Jesus Says Clearly In Matthew 23; 9 '' And Call No Man Your Father Upon The Earth
Truth Is Truth And If It Was About His Father's Will Then Why Did Jesus SAy In Matthew 26; 38 >> If Be Possible Let This Cup Pass By Me ; Nevertheless Not As I Will , But As Thou Wilt ''
Let Me Point Out A Few Points From Your Bible Stating That Jesus Couldn't Possibly Be God ..
Mark 15 ; 34 >> Jesus cried out with a loud voice My God , My God Why have thou Forsaken Me . <<< If Jesus was God who could he be praying to if he is the only God , and to cry is a human Weakness .
Mathew 4; 1 >>Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil << If Jesus was God how could the devil Possibly be able to tempt him without him knowing >> And What Could The Devil Possibly Offer The Creator Of Everything .
Luke 14 ; 26 >> If anyman come to me , and hate not his Father And Mother And Wife And Chrildren And Brethren And Sister , Yea And His Own Life Also , He Cannot Be My Disciple . <<< If Jesus was God and he so loved the world why would you have to hate your family And even yourself , when it say in Leviticus 19 ; 1 That Hatred Is A Sin
John 14 ; 2 >> In My Father House Are Many Mansions .>>> Jesus Said In My Father's House , He [ Didsn't Say In My House ] Would It Have Made Sense To Say In My House [ If He Was God ? ]
Luke 2; 49 >> That I Must Be About My Father's Business '>> If Jesus Was God Why Did He Say I Must Be Of My Fathers Business , He Indicated . [ The Distinction Between Him And His Father .
I'm Should You Can Find More If You Open Your Eyes , Thoughout Your Bible It Speak About Jesus Being The Son Of God , And Not God Himself
What Other Proof Do I Have That Jesus And The Father Are Two Separate Beings ..?
Was Only A Man >> Matthew 1 ; 25 ...... Was Baptized >>>> Matthew 3; 13
Was Tempted >>>> Matthew 4; 1 ...... Slept >>>> Matthew 8 ; 24
Ate >>> Luke 24 ; 42 ...... Hungered >>>> Matthew 21 ; 18
Weakened >>> John 4; 6 .... Said Something He Shouldn't Have John 20; 17
Cried At Lazarus Grave >> John 20; 17
What Is A Trinity ?
The Word For Trinity In Aramic / Hebrew Is Shelesh , And ;; Triad '' It Is Mentioned Only In 1Chronicles 7; 35 And Thalaathatin In Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic Found In The And Means ; Trinity , Triad , Triple , The Greek Word For Trinity Is Triad ( 1John 5 ; 7 ) . Triad Simply Means Tri Which Means Three ( 3 ) . When You Take Any Three Things And Say They Make Up Any One Thing That Would Be A Trinty , There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .
The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Is Not Alive And The Father Is God Not The Son .. The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Accodring To The Christian Teaching Die At The Age Of 33 , By Saying That He Is '' Alive Again '' Mean God Died Before ????? !!!!!! That Make Absolutely No Sense . You Stated Now That He Is Alive Again Forever He Is God . So What You're Saying Is That God Died And Came Back To Life , And At Some Point He Stopped Being God God Is All Existing . And Made It Possible For All Things To Exist . If He '' Dies '' What Do You Think Would Happen To The Rest Of Us . Exactly . We Would All Cease To Exist As Well Because We Are All Apart Of The Heavenly Father . Also , If The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Is God The Who Was He Praying To In Matthew 6 ; 9 - 13 He Says Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' , So He's Not God Or Otherwise He Would've Been Praying To Himself . Let Me Point Out To You That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Was And Israelite . It Is Common Sense That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Would Not Violate Such A Powerful Israelite Judaic Command As The Worship Of God Alone ( Exodus 20; 3 - 4 ) By Claiming To Be That Very God Whom He Pray To In Matthew 26 ; 39 .
'' AND HE WENT A LITTLE FARTHER
AND FELL ON HIS FACE AND PRAYED
( SAYING , O FATHER MY FATHER )
Think About It . It Doesn't Make Much Sense For Jesus To Pray To Himself . If Jesus Was God , He Wouldn't Have No Need To PRAY . In Several Quotes In The New Tesament The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Made It Clear That Your Are To Worship God AndNot Him . When He Made Reference To God , He Used The THIRD Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular '' Me '' In Luke 4 ; 8 JesusSaysAnd I Quote ;
AND JESUS ANSWER AND SAID
UNTO HIM GET THEE BEHIND ME
SATAN ; FOR IT IS WRITTEN , THOU
SHALT WORSHIP THE LORD THY GOD
AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE ''
He Said Worship Him Not Me
In John 4 ; 23 - 24 Jesus States Again In The Red Letter Writting Of Your Bible And I Quote
'' BUT THE HOUR COMETH AND NOW IS WHEN THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS SHALL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH ; FOR THE FATHER SEEKETH SUCH TO WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH . < He Said Worship Him And Not Me .
And In John 14 ; 10 JesusGive All Praise AndGratitude To His Heavenlt Father And I Quote ;
BELIEVEST THOU NOT THAT I AM IN
THE FATHER , AND THE FATHER IN ME ?
THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I
SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF ; BUT THE FATHER
THAT DWELLETH IN ME , HEDOETH THE WORKS
He Used The Word He Not Me
No Man's Body Can Contain God , Not If You Mean That He Has The Essence Of His Father In Him , Then All Man Are God's Son And Daughter , Read Genesis 2 ;7 When God Breathe Into Man The Breath Of Life '' And The Lord God Formed Man From The Dust Of The Ground , And Breathed Into His Nostrils The Breath Of Life ; And Man Became A Living Soul . .. However , Getting Back To The Point Whether He Incarnated Or Came Himself There Still Wouldn't Be Any Need For Him To Pray Or Ask For Assistance From Anyone If He Was God , The Creator . Can't You See That ?Not Only Would He Not Need To Pray He Would Have No Desire To Eat Meat
Luke 24 ; 41 , Beg That Death Passes Him Matthew 26 ; 39 , Feared AndRan For His Life John 18 ; 3 Which Means That '' God Has To Run From His Creation . It Seems Like You Totally Ignored All Of These Scriptures And Found One That Sound Good To You , And Built A Whole Doctrine From It . Another Quality That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Did Not Possess According To Roman 13 ; 1 And
2Corinthians 1 ; 23 Is The Power To Assign The Soul Their Positions In The Hereafter According To The Author Of These 2 Books Which Was Paul . Only The Heavenly Father Possess Such Power . Exalting Jesus Beyond The Truth Is Shown To Be A Form Of Idolatry . Once Again In Matthew 7 ; 21 Jesus Tells People To Do The Will Of The Father . ... In Both Luke 4 ; 8 And Mathew 4; 10 We Come Across An Incident That Clearly Contradicts The Concept Of Jesus Claining Absolute Divinity . According To These Two References Matthew 27 ; 46 And Mark 15 ;34 Jesus Was Put On The Cross Left To Die . Then According To Those Who Believe The Crucifixion Story , At That Time Jesus Cried In A Loud Voice . If Jesus Was God He Would Not Have To Say Any Of These Things In The First Place . How Could You Possibly Forsake Your Ownself ? If HeWas God Or Eli As It Is Used In This Quote , He Would Not Need Consent From Anyone . Overstand ... This Could Not Possibly Be The Words Of A person Who Saw Himself As The The Controller Of All Life And Death Because He Cried Out '' My God '' It Simply Isn't Logical . The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Never Encouraged Anyone To Worship Him Instead , He Taught Others To Worship His Father .. As I Have Just Shown You By Useing The Scripture .

Before I answer this let me explain my point of view. My point view is that of a christian that believes in the Triunity of God and secondly one who understands who Jesus is. Lets start with the Triunity of God. Scientically it can be proven that one substance or essence can have multiple distinct facets or forms and remain the same. My example is H2O. The substance H2O can have three distinct facets. H2O can solid in the form of ice. The practical use for this is too lower the temperature of something or to slow the activity of something. Another facet of H2O is liquid. The practical uses of H2O in liquid form can go from being the force that powers and dam to the medium for making koolaid and everything in between. The last facet of H2O is gas. The practical uses range from ironing clothes to a precision cutting tool. Nevertheless H2O still remains H2O in essence though it may have many properties and purposes. H20 can also exhibit these facets simultaneously. How is that? H2O in outerspace H2O can boil from it's liquid state into gas due to the lack of pressurized atmosphere and H2O while in it's gas state it can freeze into ice crystals due the the lack of ambient heat. This process is almost instantaneous. So how does this the Bible explain this? Here are some examples:
Genesis: 1:26

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Matthew 28:19

19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

1 Peter 1:2

2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

In these scriptures we see the triunity of God. Even in the begin God displayed multiple aspects of himself.

Who is Jesus? Where many make their mistake is believing Jesus started with Mary's conception. There are numberous instances of the prophecy of Jesus. Here are a few:

Genesis 3:15

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors

Here is and instances where Jesus appears before his human birth:

Genesis 23:1-3

1 Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.

Here are some New Testiment descriptions of Jesus:

John 1:1-5

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Colossians 1:15-18

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

This proves Jesus was more than a man, but in Gospel of Matthew and Mark you see Jesus say "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This means Father, Father why hast thou forsaken me? Or Father, Father where have you gone to? What is believed is happening in these scripture is in order for salvation to be fullfilled God had to remove himself from the presence of Jesus to let the flesh that housed Jesus die. Jesus reacted the way he did because for the first time Jesus was alone and subject to the three dimensional world that man is accustomed too. So knowing that there has never been a time that Jesus did not exist, the answer the your question is God is Jesus in heaven. Jesus is body part of the Godhead Trinity of God. Therefore Jesus does not have a father in the same since as we do Jesus is a part of the Father.


Peace

Radical Faith

Again I Would Like To Thankyou For Your Belief < And I Ask Who Was Yashua / Jesus Father > After I Get Afew More Answer I Will Show You SomeThing Ok But Until Then Check This Out . This Is Why One Must Do Some Re-Search
God The Father , Then You Have Humanity As His Children , And The Holy Ghost Are The AngelicBeings , You Are Useing 1John 5 ; 7 As If It Is Authentic When In Fact It Has Been Proven To Be A Distorted Scripture Nor Does It Exist In Any Of The Original Manuscripts I Don't Try To Discredit AnyThing Or AnyOne I Just State The Facts , And I Am Only Interested In The Facts . To Answer Your Question . When The Bible Was In Its Original Language Of Aramaic ( Hebrew ) Arabic And Galilean Arabic , The Verse 1John 5 ; 7 , That Has Become The Foundation For The 3 Beings In 1 Concept Called The Trinity DID NOT EXIST , It Also DID NOT EXIST IN GREEK , The Distortion With The Onset Of The Roman Catholic Church The Roman Catholic Inserted The Trinity Verse When They Translated The Bible From Greek To Latin I Purposely Said '' Inserted '' And Not '' Translated '' Because , As I've Already Said The Original Greek Did Not Have This Verse . HowEver , You Will Find Some Greek Translation Have Either The Whole Trinity Verse Or Only A Portion Of It , 1John 5; 7 Is Surround In Controversy Because There Are Two Versions Of This Verse Your Bibilical Scholars Say 1John 5; 7 . That Is Used In Most Bibles Today . Is Either Not The Origian Verse . Or They Say That Its Only Partially Genuine . There Have Been Many Arguments Between Scholars On This Subject When In Fact There Shouldn't Be Any Arguments Because The Original Aramaic And The Greek Manuscripts Don't Have This 1John 5 ; 7 , In It . The Problem Is They Really Don't Want To Admit That The Trinity Really Has No Basis In The Teaching Of Yashua , Making The Trinitarian Churches And Any Other Sect That Believe In This 3 In 1 Concept Obsolete , FurtherMore , In The Ancient Eastern Manusripts By George M Lamsa Which Is A Bible That Is Translated From The Original Aramaic And Syriac Language On Page 1222 , In 1John 5 ; 7 , You Will See That The Orginal Verse Says This ;...
Original Verse <> And The Spirit Testifies That That Very Spirit Is The Truth
Mistraslation <> This is he who came by water and blood , even Jesus Christ , not by water only , but water and blood , And theSpirit testifies that that very Spirt is the truth . And there are three to bear witness the Spirit and , the water and the blood ; and these three are one ,
Now , When You Read 1 John 5 ; 7 In Your Standard Bible , You Will Read This ,
1John 5 ; 7 <> For there are three that bear , Record in heaven , the father , the Word , and the holy ghost ; And these three are one . Do You See How The Verse Were Distorted ? They Are Both 1John 5 ; 7 , But They Don't Say The Same Thing ! That's Because In Your Standard Or Revised Edittion Bible , You Will Find The Original , Verse 5; 7 Has Been Actually Pushed Up To Merge With Verse 5; 6 . Now LQQk At 1John 5 ; 6 Below
'' This is he that came by water and , Blood , even Jesus Christ ; not by Water only , but by water and Blood And It Is The Spirit That Beareth Witness Because The Spirit Is Truth '' ;...The Underlined Segment Is Really The Original 1John 5 ; 7 By Combining The Original Verse 5 ;6 And 5 ; 7 Together , This Left Verse 5 ; 7 Made It Conviently Free To Insert The False '' Trinity '' Verse . Just In Case You Think I Made This Up . Clarke's Commentary Also States That In The Very Early Bibles , This Verse Didn't Exist Clarke's Commentary Says This About 1John 5 ; 7 ;... '' But It Is Likely This Verse Is Not Genuine . It Is Wanting ( Missing ) In Every M .S . ( Manuscript ) Og This Epistle Written Before The Invention Of Printing . One Expecyed . The Condex Montfortii , In '' Trinity College , Dublin ; The Others Which Omit , This Verse Amount To One Hundred And Twelve . It Is Wanting ( Missing ) In Both The Syriac . All The Arabic , Ethiopic , The Coptic , Sahidic .Armenian , Slavonian , In A Word , In All The Ancient Versions . But The Vulgate And Even Of This Version Many Of The Most Ancient And Correct , MSS . Have It Not .. It Is Wanting ( Missing ) Also In All Ancient Greek Father , And In Most Even Of The Latin So What About Those Who Say A Portion Of The Quote Is True , Then There Are Those Scholars Who That Only Part Of This Quote Is Genuine Once Again , Let's Go Back To 1John 5 ; 7 In Your Standard Bible . < '' For There Are Three That Bear Record In Heaven , The Father , The Word , And The Holy Ghost , And These Three Are One > The Underlined Part Of This Quote Is The Part That Your So - Called Scholars Say Is Genuine . Some Bibles Are Equipped With Notes And Small Commentaries To Help You OverStand The Verses You Are Reading . If You Have Such A Bible . It Will Most Likely Say The Same Thing . For Instance , On Page 1776 In The Ryrie Study Bible It Says ;
Verse7 For there are three that bear record in heaven , The father the word , and the Holy Ghost and these three are one .
Commentary 5 ; 7 - 8 Should end with the word record The remander of Verse 7 And part of Verse 8 , Are Not In Any Ancient Greek Manuscript . Only In Later Latin Manuscripts .
Now , They Say Verse 7 And Verse 8 Is Only Partially Genuine . There Are Even Some Greek Translation That Also Supports This Version , But That's Because They Were Translated From English Back Into Greek 1John 5 ; 7 Was Just Another Way To Confuse And Add Another False Sect And Belief . It Is One Of Those Things That Are Kept Quiet Because That Would Be The End Of Some People's Faith And That Is Something That People Who Promote Religion For A Profit Can't Afford To Do .
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Enjoy Your Evening :kickball:

Again I Would Like To Thankyou For Your Belief < And I Ask Who Was Yashua / Jesus Father > After I Get Afew More Answer I Will Show You SomeThing Ok But Until Then Check This Out . This Is Why One Must Do Some Re-Search
God The Father , Then You Have Humanity As His Children , And The Holy Ghost Are The AngelicBeings , You Are Useing 1John 5 ; 7 As If It Is Authentic When In Fact It Has Been Proven To Be A Distorted Scripture Nor Does It Exist In Any Of The Original Manuscripts I Don't Try To Discredit AnyThing Or AnyOne I Just State The Facts , And I Am Only Interested In The Facts . To Answer Your Question . When The Bible Was In Its Original Language Of Aramaic ( Hebrew ) Arabic And Galilean Arabic , The Verse 1John 5 ; 7 , That Has Become The Foundation For The 3 Beings In 1 Concept Called The Trinity DID NOT EXIST , It Also DID NOT EXIST IN GREEK , The Distortion With The Onset Of The Roman Catholic Church The Roman Catholic Inserted The Trinity Verse When They Translated The Bible From Greek To Latin I Purposely Said '' Inserted '' And Not '' Translated '' Because , As I've Already Said The Original Greek Did Not Have This Verse . HowEver , You Will Find Some Greek Translation Have Either The Whole Trinity Verse Or Only A Portion Of It , 1John 5; 7 Is Surround In Controversy Because There Are Two Versions Of This Verse Your Bibilical Scholars Say 1John 5; 7 . That Is Used In Most Bibles Today . Is Either Not The Origian Verse . Or They Say That Its Only Partially Genuine . There Have Been Many Arguments Between Scholars On This Subject When In Fact There Shouldn't Be Any Arguments Because The Original Aramaic And The Greek Manuscripts Don't Have This 1John 5 ; 7 , In It . The Problem Is They Really Don't Want To Admit That The Trinity Really Has No Basis In The Teaching Of Yashua , Making The Trinitarian Churches And Any Other Sect That Believe In This 3 In 1 Concept Obsolete , FurtherMore , In The Ancient Eastern Manusripts By George M Lamsa Which Is A Bible That Is Translated From The Original Aramaic And Syriac Language On Page 1222 , In 1John 5 ; 7 , You Will See That The Orginal Verse Says This ;...
Original Verse <> And The Spirit Testifies That That Very Spirit Is The Truth
Mistraslation <> This is he who came by water and blood , even Jesus Christ , not by water only , but water and blood , And theSpirit testifies that that very Spirt is the truth . And there are three to bear witness the Spirit and , the water and the blood ; and these three are one ,
Now , When You Read 1 John 5 ; 7 In Your Standard Bible , You Will Read This ,
1John 5 ; 7 <> For there are three that bear , Record in heaven , the father , the Word , and the holy ghost ; And these three are one . Do You See How The Verse Were Distorted ? They Are Both 1John 5 ; 7 , But They Don't Say The Same Thing ! That's Because In Your Standard Or Revised Edittion Bible , You Will Find The Original , Verse 5; 7 Has Been Actually Pushed Up To Merge With Verse 5; 6 . Now LQQk At 1John 5 ; 6 Below
'' This is he that came by water and , Blood , even Jesus Christ ; not by Water only , but by water and Blood And It Is The Spirit That Beareth Witness Because The Spirit Is Truth '' ;...The Underlined Segment Is Really The Original 1John 5 ; 7 By Combining The Original Verse 5 ;6 And 5 ; 7 Together , This Left Verse 5 ; 7 Made It Conviently Free To Insert The False '' Trinity '' Verse . Just In Case You Think I Made This Up . Clarke's Commentary Also States That In The Very Early Bibles , This Verse Didn't Exist Clarke's Commentary Says This About 1John 5 ; 7 ;... '' But It Is Likely This Verse Is Not Genuine . It Is Wanting ( Missing ) In Every M .S . ( Manuscript ) Og This Epistle Written Before The Invention Of Printing . One Expecyed . The Condex Montfortii , In '' Trinity College , Dublin ; The Others Which Omit , This Verse Amount To One Hundred And Twelve . It Is Wanting ( Missing ) In Both The Syriac . All The Arabic , Ethiopic , The Coptic , Sahidic .Armenian , Slavonian , In A Word , In All The Ancient Versions . But The Vulgate And Even Of This Version Many Of The Most Ancient And Correct , MSS . Have It Not .. It Is Wanting ( Missing ) Also In All Ancient Greek Father , And In Most Even Of The Latin So What About Those Who Say A Portion Of The Quote Is True , Then There Are Those Scholars Who That Only Part Of This Quote Is Genuine Once Again , Let's Go Back To 1John 5 ; 7 In Your Standard Bible . < '' For There Are Three That Bear Record In Heaven , The Father , The Word , And The Holy Ghost , And These Three Are One > The Underlined Part Of This Quote Is The Part That Your So - Called Scholars Say Is Genuine . Some Bibles Are Equipped With Notes And Small Commentaries To Help You OverStand The Verses You Are Reading . If You Have Such A Bible . It Will Most Likely Say The Same Thing . For Instance , On Page 1776 In The Ryrie Study Bible It Says ;
Verse7 For there are three that bear record in heaven , The father the word , and the Holy Ghost and these three are one .
Commentary 5 ; 7 - 8 Should end with the word record The remander of Verse 7 And part of Verse 8 , Are Not In Any Ancient Greek Manuscript . Only In Later Latin Manuscripts .
Now , They Say Verse 7 And Verse 8 Is Only Partially Genuine . There Are Even Some Greek Translation That Also Supports This Version , But That's Because They Were Translated From English Back Into Greek 1John 5 ; 7 Was Just Another Way To Confuse And Add Another False Sect And Belief . It Is One Of Those Things That Are Kept Quiet Because That Would Be The End Of Some People's Faith And That Is Something That People Who Promote Religion For A Profit Can't Afford To Do .
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Enjoy Your Evening :kickball:The only thing I can get out of any of your posts, it's your trying to end peoples faith.Never happen with all the :weird: teachings of yours, especially since you belong to the York Cult.

The only thing I can get out of any of your posts, it's your trying to end peoples faith.Never happen with all the :weird: teachings of yours, especially since you belong to the York Cult.

I think what he is trying to do is show us the truth as he knows it, and get us to challenge ourselves to think for ourselves. Yes, wherever your faith lies, there it is. However, many of us do not bother to seek knowledge for ourselves. We happily follow along behind some minister, priest, pope, imam, whatever, and let them teach us what is true for them. Brother IssEl21 is simply asking us to think (I think.).

I think what he is trying to do is show us the truth as he knows it, and get us to challenge ourselves to think for ourselves. Yes, wherever your faith lies, there it is. However, many of us do not bother to seek knowledge for ourselves. We happily follow along behind some minister, priest, pope, imam, whatever, and let them teach us what is true for them. Brother IssEl21 is simply asking us to think (I think.).While it is true MOST follow someone, even Brother Issa here does too, which is my whole point. He does believe only He, They, ect hold the truth. I have to admit, Hes amusing to read. I challange IssaEl to PROVE where John had a girlfriend to whom he wrote too.
PS, I think his name says it all, he thinks hes the Isa/Christ. :nono:

Well, it's traditional for some to give their children names of their leaders, prophets, etc. I know folks names Isa, Muhammed, John, David, Ezekial, Ibrahim.. blah, blah, blah. Now, on with the post! :)

I think what he is trying to do is show us the truth as he knows it, and get us to challenge ourselves to think for ourselves. Yes, wherever your faith lies, there it is. However, many of us do not bother to seek knowledge for ourselves. We happily follow along behind some minister, priest, pope, imam, whatever, and let them teach us what is true for them. Brother IssEl21 is simply asking us to think (I think.).



You Know My Nubian Sister Its Time Like Now I Truely OverStand When I Was Told Women Were The First TEACHER , And You Hit The Nail On The Head , Women Are Thinker . And Believe It Or Not That Exactly What I'm Doing Makeing Them THINK . I Bet Half Of These People Who Try To Tag Me With There Childlish Name Which They Were Taught My There Teacher Minister / Pastor Etc. Etc . To Say When SomeOne Challenge There Faith .Never Question There Teacher And That Sad . And I'm Proud To Say Two Of My Four Teacher Were Women . Until I Admitted I Study Under Dr York . Mostly Likely They Just Though I Was Another Wise < Butt> But Now A Few Here Think That Have My Number . But Not LaughingBigTimeHere . Anyone Who Has A Teacher Who Can't Be Question ,That Should Tell Them Something Wrong . Or Are They Saying The Most High Fear Being Question By Those Who He Has Created ? The Most High Doesn't Fear Being Question It's Man That Fear Being Question . And That Fear Is Losting Control Over His Congregation , I Never Claim To Know Everything Nor Am I Ashame To Say I Don't Know , Unlike Some Here . You Know Its A Saying If You Want To Keep SomeThing From A Nubian Put It In A Book . AnyWay ThankYou For Speaking On My Behalf . I Can Tell Your Son Going To Be A Strong Brother When He Grows Up . Because His Mom Is A Strong Nubian Sister And Doesn't Fear Knowldge And Seeking It Is The Key . :weights:

I think what he is trying to do is show us the truth as he knows it, and get us to challenge ourselves to think for ourselves. Yes, wherever your faith lies, there it is. However, many of us do not bother to seek knowledge for ourselves. We happily follow along behind some minister, priest, pope, imam, whatever, and let them teach us what is true for them. Brother IssEl21 is simply asking us to think (I think.).


Sistah How much do you know about Dr. York alias Imam Isa formerly of brooklyn new york

Who Was Yashua / Jesus Father ? :darts:If we truly followed the doctrine and as things are clearly written we would see that Isaiah is the father of Jesus.

Isa:8:3: And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Maher-shalal-hash-baz.

We would also see that he was not born during the time of the Roman Empire but during the time of the Falling of the Assyrian Empire and the rise of the Babylonian Empire.

Isa:8:4: For before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the king of Assyria.

That statement is a time stamp as to when Jesus/Yashua was an infant.

Okay, I was asked what do I know about Dr. York. I've read some articles and talked to a few people who have studied under him. Do I agree with his teachings? No, not really. Will I tell someome to follow his teachings? Probably not. All I was saying is that Brother Issa is sharing what his truth is, and is asking us to re-think what we have learned. If we re-think everything we have ever been taught, and we still come to the same conclusion, cool. If we decide maybe we do not have enough information, cool. Either way, the whole point (seems to me) that we need to think/read/study for ourselves. If someone says to you, "Chicken tastes good" do you A. Accept that chicken tastes good, or B. go try some chicken to see what they're talking about?

Now, I'm done post-jacking. Let's get back to the subject at hand. If anyone wants to share anything personally, I will happily read your email or private message. :heart:

Toya

While it is true MOST follow someone, even Brother Issa here does too, which is my whole point. He does believe only He, They, ect hold the truth. I have to admit, Hes amusing to read. I challange IssaEl to PROVE where John had a girlfriend to whom he wrote too.
PS, I think his name says it all, he thinks hes the Isa/Christ. :nono:



Let's Speak About Your Faith Ok , That If You Have One . Because You Can't Speak For Others Unless They Are Taught The Same Thing You Believe , And If You Don't Have One, It Doesn't Matter What You Believe OverStand . Now Let's Say You Have One Ok . If What I Post Have Shakeing Your Faith , You Never Had Faith Ok , Or What You Have Been Taught To Believe , KeyWork Believe , Is Not What You Were Told Was The Truth , Then You Should Take What I Have Posted To Your Teach And Tell Him To Correct My MisTake's IF YOU DARE . You Speak Of York Hummm When I Use To Go To His Class To Question What He Was Teaching . I Was Never Threat-en In AnyWay Nor Did I Go There For Him To Rub My Ego . And WhatEver Answer I Got I Went And ReSearch It . Now My Question To You , Does Your Teach Have Open Class On What He Teaches ???? And If Your Answer Is Yes Then Give Me His E-mail Addresses , I Have A Few Question To Ask Him Also . All This Back Biteing About Who Taught Me What Doesn't Get The Question Answer . Does It . And If You And Minister Rib , Or Pastor ChickenWing See York As A Cult Why Didn't You And Him Step To Him And TryTo Prove What He Was Teaching Wrong ? Funny Your Doing All This Back Biteing And Never Step To The Man . You Like Those People Who Throw Rocks And Hide Your Hands .
You Speak About My Name , Again You Show Your Ignorance When A Child Is Born He Or She Given A Name My There Parent , Like The Nubian Sister Told You . And No I 'm Jesus Christ . Only A Fool Would Say He Was Or Think Of Himself As Jesus Because Your Cult Busters Buddy Would Have Him Kill , Cult Awareness / Cult Hotline Clinic / Wny Cult Awareness / Cult Awareness Council / Cult Awareness Network . Which One Of These Do You Belong To ? By The Way Yashua Doesn't Know The Name Jesus Christ , Know Why.
Where Did The Word '' Christ Come From ?
Ans ; '' Christ '' Is The English corruption of The Greek word '' Kristos '' Which come from The Latin word '' Cristus '' The root of '' Kristos '' is the Greek word '' Krio '' Which means '' To rub over , To anount '' Kristos is The Greek interpretation of the Hebrew word Mashiah Which take its origin from The Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic word Masiyh meaning '' Anointed '' The Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic / word Masiyh Is derived from The root word Masaha . Which mean '' He wiped clean , He healed and Annointed '' From The '' Christus '' . Christ '' Comes into the Old English as '' Crist '' To the middle english root '' Christ '' And then to the English '' Christ '' Originally The word '' Kristos '' Comes from Sanskrit . The Ancient Script Of The 200 Fallen Angeic Being Who were cast down to The Planet Earth . The head of the fallen angelic beings was named '' Tarnush '' And He Was called '' Krisna '' The demon deity of The Hindus , who were Descendents of the 200 fallen Eloheem ( Disagreeable Beings ) Of The Land Of Nod . This is where the word '' Kristos'' is derived . According to the American Heritage Dictionary their definition for '' Christ '' Is Jesus Christ regarded by Christian as being the son of God and the messiah fortold by TheProphets of The Old Testament . Thus rendering one who believe in '' Christ '' or Jesus '' A Christian . They also define the Era of time This Religion began as being roughly at his Birth 1 A.D. - Which Is An Incorrect Date . First of all Jesus did not speak Greek , So he never knew the word '' Christ '' Which is a Greek word , or the word '' Christian , or for that matter , The name '' Jesus '' Which is also a Greek word .
Does The Word '' Christ Have Any Other Meaning ?
There are many definition that the Christian world has submitted for The Word Christ ''
1 . Christ - Middle english Crist ; Latin Chrisus , from Greek Khristo . The anointed one
From Khrein '' To Anoint '' The anointed ; The messiah , as fortold by The Prophets of The Old Testament . Christian science ; The divine manifestation of God , Which comes to the flesh to destroy incarnate error .
Taken From American Heritage Dictionary Of The English Language .
2 . Christ - A Translation of the Hebrew Mashiah , as is expressly stated In John 1 ; 41 . Meaning Anointed '' We Have Found The Messiah , Which Is Being Interpeted The Christ '' The Hebrew designates The King who was to come , The promised Messiah
Taken From ; Catholic Encycolpedia
3 . Christ Greek Christos '' Anoninted '' equivalent to The Hebrew Mashiach '' Massiah '' Anointed '' The official title of Jesus of Nazareth ( Number Chapter Six ) Desingnation him as The Messiah '' or Prpmised One Of The Old Testament '' In Messianic Prophecy , The term came to be appiled specifically to The Messiah who As Prophet , Priest , And King was The one ordained to beThe Redeemer of the world .
Taken From ; Seventh - Say Adventist Bible Dictionary . Volume 8
4 . Christ - The Jehovah Witnesses express that their allegiance is to Jesus Christ , Thehead of the Christian Congreation , Who Stated ... For One Is Your Master , Even Christ '' Matthew23 ; 10 ...
Taken From '' Christ Actively Leads His Congregation '' The Watchtower . August 1 , 1987 .. The following terms are derived from the word '' Christ ''
Christ - Like
Christendom - Christianity , The part ofthe world in which christianity prevails .
Christian - Of or relating to Christianity
Christianity - The religion derived from Jesus Christ based on The Bible As profesed by Easterm , Roman Catholic And Protestant Bodies .
Christians - A Christian feast on December 25 , or Among Eastern Orthodox on January 7 , that commemorates the birth of Christ and is usually observed as a holiday ( Both are incorrect dates ) During the time of Jesus , The Word '' Christ '' did not exist . Now Think About This Point ; The SoCalled Christian say Christ means '' Anointed '' well if he was anointed , < Then He Can't Be God , No One Human Or Angel Can Anoint '' Gos '' ( Whom You Call The Creator ) . When someone is anointed Oil Is Placed One Them As A Sign Of Sanctification ( Making Them Holy ) And '' The Accepter Of Repentance '' He does not need to be anointed , No Human Can Make Direct Contact With God because it would cause physical damage . The power of the presence of God would burn Your Eyes Out . The human brian would be totally destroyed . Can't You See The Contradiction And Lies In The Christian Doctrine ?
As I already explain to you the word '' Christ '' is the English Corruption of The Greek word Kristos . The Greek language has a Gtammatical system and translation that isvery different from The Semetic language such as Syretic , Akkadian , Aramic , Phoenician
( Called Hebrew) And Arabic . The word '' Khristos '' is originally from Sanskrit ( Also called Sancrit ) The Ancient Script of the 200 fallen angels who were cast out of Heaven To Earth . They came down i Images that Attracted The Women and The Men of The Land Of Nod , Some came as Men and Women and other came as Hermaphrodites and Hemaphrodites . These Hermaphrodites and Hemaphrodites Were worshipped by the inhabitants of Nod and Call Gods or Deities . Krishna ( Krsna ) Was oneof these Cherubim ( Negative or Disagreeable Beings ) That was worshipped as A Hindu God . Hinduism is the Religion of the Devil '' Khrishna is The Hindu God That Is Part Of The Trinity worshipped by Hidus . It is said that there are 3 Supreme Gods In Hinduism '
1 . Vishnu . 2 . Brahma 3 . Shiva . Question ; If There Was No '' J '' Sound In The English Language Before 1565 A.D...
How Was '' Jesus Pronounced . ( That means that the word '' Jesus '' in no older than the 16th or 17th Century !!!!!! ( Don't Believe Me Check It Out )
Ques ; Where Did The Word '' Jesus '' Come From ?
Ans ; Scholars attempt to justify the use of the name '' Jesus '' In the Book Of The New Testament , They Claimed That The NewTestament Was Inspired To Be Written In Greek Originally . So Therefore , The Name '' Jesus '' Is Acceptable For Common Use Instead Of Using '' Jashu'a '' , According To The Harper's Bible Dictionary , Page 329 , You See A Picture Of What The Name Of Jesus Would Have LQQked Like Back In The 1st Century , In The Original Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language , Which He Spoke , They Also That Because There Is No '' Sh '' Sound In The Greek Language The Name '' Jesus '' Is Acceptable Lesous < Greek > Was An Anttempted Transliteration From The Original Language Into Greek .
Ques ; If There Was No '' J '' Sound .. How Was '' Jesus '' Pronounced ''
Ans ; That Means That The Word '' Jesus '' Is No Older That The16th Or 17th Century !!!! < Don't Believe Me , Check It Out For Yourself >
Ques ; If There Was No '' J '' In The English Language Before 1565 A.D. How Did The Name '' Jesus '' Come About ?
Ans ; With A Little Research , You Will Find That The Names '' Zeus '' <Geek > And '' Jesus '' < Greek >Are Linked By The Same Root According To The Larousee Encyclopedia Of Mythology The Greek '' God '' Dionysus Is Etymologically '' Zeus '' God '' Or Gad '' Was The Seventh Son Of Jacob '' God '' Also Stands For Gomer Which Is Wisdom , Oz - Which Is Beauty And Dabar - Which Is Strength Dionysis Is '' God '' Of Wine ; Also Known As Bacchus , HowEver , The Final Syllable Of Dionysus Or Zeues Is Identical To The Ending Of '' Jesus '' This Break Down Proves That The Reason For Selecting The Suffix , - Sus , For The Word '' Jesus '' Was Because Of Dionysus Or Zeus Who Was Known As The Greek Savior , When The Bible Was Translated Into The English Language . Zeus Is Jesus < Just Take A LQQk For YourSelf !!! >
When You Combine Then Modern Form Of The Aramic ( Hebrew ) '' Y ''( ' ) Which Is Pronounced '' Yod '' To Get The Latin '' J '' ( l ) And Then Add It To The Word Zeus - You Get - Ja - Zeus , Which Is Short For Yashua ( Jesus )
And From Zeus You Got The Word Souse And Then . It Became A Dity From Which Comes Deus In Portuguese , Dieu In French , Dio , In Italian , Dios , In Spanish , Dia In Scotch And Irish , And Duw In Welsh . EveryDay New Names Are Being Added . When You Research Further On The Meaning Of The Suffix - sus , You Find That , According To The Webster's Third New International Dictionary , That - sus Is From The French , Latin Meaning '' Swine , Hog , Sow . The Scientific Classification For The Pig Is Sus Scrofa . The Word '' Souse '' ( Sus ) Is The Name Of A Certain Type Or Combination Of Pork That Is Pickled . Souse Is Also A Nickname ForThe South , As In '' Souse Carolina. '' Some May Call This Is Blasphemy , But Truth Is Truth , And Fact AreFacts . And Right Now , The Facys Are Saying That .
Ques ; Why Do They Change '' The Messiah's '' Name From The Aramic
( Hebrew ) YASHU'A ' To Christ Jesus .
Ans ; The Fact Is Some Christian Have A Sickness Of Changeing People's NameOr Translating Them To Their Language . There Is No '' J '' In The Hebrew Or Aramic Alphabet The Name '' Jesus '' Is The Greek Form Of The Aramic ( Hebrew ) Name Joshua Or Jesua , Which Is A Contraction Of Johoshua . Joshua In Aramic ( Hebrew ) Is Yehowshua Or Jehoshua From The Root Word Yasha Meaning '' To Be Safe , To Set Free , Help Deliver , Salavation , Savior '' I Feel Sorry For All Those People Calling Jesus '' Christ '' BecauseIf You Call On '' The Messiah '' Jesus As Christ '' He Will Not Know Who You Are Calling . Even If You Call Him '' Jesus '' He Will Not KnowWho You Are Calling . That Was Not His Name In Greek Nor Latin ; Two Languages That He Did Not Speak . '' Christ '' Has A Different Meaning In The Greek Language Than What '' Messiah '' Has In Aramic ( Hebrew ) . So Why And How Can You Do This ? Let's Take A House In The Bible And Call It A Car . Now Try To Start The House With A Key . What Is Wrong With The Children Of The Eloheem ????
You Should Be Trying To Learn More About You Faith Then Going Around Back Biteing People . :teach:

Okay, I was asked what do I know about Dr. York. I've read some articles and talked to a few people who have studied under him. Do I agree with his teachings? No, not really. Will I tell someome to follow his teachings? Probably not. All I was saying is that Brother Issa is sharing what his truth is, and is asking us to re-think what we have learned. If we re-think everything we have ever been taught, and we still come to the same conclusion, cool. If we decide maybe we do not have enough information, cool. Either way, the whole point (seems to me) that we need to think/read/study for ourselves. If someone says to you, "Chicken tastes good" do you A. Accept that chicken tastes good, or B. go try some chicken to see what they're talking about?

Now, I'm done post-jacking. Let's get back to the subject at hand. If anyone wants to share anything personally, I will happily read your email or private message. :heart:

Toya

Tawuh - Antut - Jed - Katur = Thankyou Very Much

Again For Having Your Own Mind :dj:

After my intial confrontation with Brother Issa, I had to check myself. As a representative of Christ I said somethings that were not very Christ-like and I brought shame and dishonor to one who would be called christian. After I communed with God it was revailed to me that I am my brother's keeper and should not be a henderance to what God has planned. Brother Issa has shared his difference of opinion with what I've said about the relationship I have with God, that's okay. I can live with that. What I've done is change my approach and perspective. In doing so I have come to understand that what the Brother is asking is "do we understand what it is we have faith in and where it comes from?" Whether he agrees with my believes or reasoning is irrelevant. What matter is we are two brothers communicating thoughts, beliefs and idea trying to find commonality. My truth is not his truth nor is his mine but our actions mirror eachother. He attemps to broaden my awareness and I do the same to his. So let us reframe from hurling insults at eachother.
God will revail the truth to all and there will no denying it.

Peace

Radical Faith

After my intial confrontation with Brother Issa, I had to check myself. As a representative of Christ I said somethings that were not very Christ-like and I brought shame and dishonor to one who would be called christian. After I communed with God it was revailed to me that I am my brother's keeper and should not be a henderance to what God has planned. Brother Issa has shared his difference of opinion with what I've said about the relationship I have with God, that's okay. I can live with that. What I've done is change my approach and perspective. In doing so I have come to understand that what the Brother is asking is "do we understand what it is we have faith in and where it comes from?" Whether he agrees with my believes or reasoning is irrelevant. What matter is we are two brothers communicating thoughts, beliefs and idea trying to find commonality. My truth is not his truth nor is his mine but our actions mirror eachother. He attemps to broaden my awareness and I do the same to his. So let us reframe from hurling insults at eachother.
God will revail the truth to all and there will no denying it.

Peace

Radical Faith

You Make A Very Good Point Because No Two People Believe Anything The Same Way . Bottom Line Here We All Can Learn Something Rather We Accept It Or Not . Believe It Or Not I'm Not Here To Convert Anyone .
All It Does Is Take Us Of The Subject We're On ... And Those Who Are LQQking For Knowledge Or The Truth No Matter Who Has It . Isn't Getting
So Again You Make A Good Point .

Radical Faith, You truly are a man of God, Thank you for the correction.Peace to you in the name of The Lord Jesus Christ.

It's good to see a brother or sister (unspecific profile) in Christ in the forum. If you examine this forum you'll discover many faiths and many schools of thought. I would hope that you are saved. As one washed in the blood we must remember we were blind at one time and we resisted God's love and truth. But by God's grace we were kept and by His mercy we are forgiven. So continue to sew the seeds of God and sooner or later the crop will yield good fruit.

Peace

Radical Faith

It's good to see a brother or sister (unspecific profile) in Christ in the forum. If you examine this forum you'll discover many faiths and many schools of thought. I would hope that you are saved. As one washed in the blood we must remember we were blind at one time and we resisted God's love and truth. But by God's grace we were kept and by His mercy we are forgiven. So continue to sew the seeds of God and sooner or later the crop will yield good fruit.

Peace

Radical FaithYes, I am saved :wave: .
If theres anything we Believers ought to be able to do, it's that we should understand the times which in we are now living.
There were men in the Old Testament who had such understanding, however, we have more ability to discern the times than they did.(1Chronicles 12:32)

Yes, i can see the many different faiths, school of thoughts, ect.

I truly believe it goes to show what Titus 10 and 2nd Timothy 3:13 says.
Peace to you Radical Faith, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ

Before I answer this let me explain my point of view. My point view is that of a christian that believes in the Triunity of God and secondly one who understands who Jesus is. Lets start with the Triunity of God. Scientically it can be proven that one substance or essence can have multiple distinct facets or forms and remain the same. My example is H2O. The substance H2O can have three distinct facets. H2O can solid in the form of ice. The practical use for this is too lower the temperature of something or to slow the activity of something. Another facet of H2O is liquid. The practical uses of H2O in liquid form can go from being the force that powers and dam to the medium for making koolaid and everything in between. The last facet of H2O is gas. The practical uses range from ironing clothes to a precision cutting tool. Nevertheless H2O still remains H2O in essence though it may have many properties and purposes. H20 can also exhibit these facets simultaneously. How is that? H2O in outerspace H2O can boil from it's liquid state into gas due to the lack of pressurized atmosphere and H2O while in it's gas state it can freeze into ice crystals due the the lack of ambient heat. This process is almost instantaneous. So how does this the Bible explain this? Here are some examples:
Genesis: 1:26

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Matthew 28:19

19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

1 Peter 1:2

2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

In these scriptures we see the triunity of God. Even in the begin God displayed multiple aspects of himself.

Who is Jesus? Where many make their mistake is believing Jesus started with Mary's conception. There are numberous instances of the prophecy of Jesus. Here are a few:

Genesis 3:15

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors

Here is and instances where Jesus appears before his human birth:

Genesis 23:1-3

1 Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.

Here are some New Testiment descriptions of Jesus:

John 1:1-5

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Colossians 1:15-18

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

This proves Jesus was more than a man, but in Gospel of Matthew and Mark you see Jesus say "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This means Father, Father why hast thou forsaken me? Or Father, Father where have you gone to? What is believed is happening in these scripture is in order for salvation to be fullfilled God had to remove himself from the presence of Jesus to let the flesh that housed Jesus die. Jesus reacted the way he did because for the first time Jesus was alone and subject to the three dimensional world that man is accustomed too. So knowing that there has never been a time that Jesus did not exist, the answer the your question is God is Jesus in heaven. Jesus is body part of the Godhead Trinity of God. Therefore Jesus does not have a father in the same since as we do Jesus is a part of the Father.


Peace

Radical Faith

Who Was Yashua Father?
Just What Does '' Came In Unto Her ' Means ? Well . We Will Have To Search God's Words , The Bible And See , And This Exact Phrase Is Mentioned Only Twice In The Bible In This Exact Form . One In The New Testament In The Book Of Luke 1 ; 28 , One Of The Four Synoptic Gospels Chosen Out Of The Many , Reavealed 56 - 58 . A .D. At Caesare . TheAuther Being Called Lucanus Or Latin Lucas , Luciene , From Latin Lucere '' To Shine '' . Lux Gen . From Lucis '' Light '' Lucidas ' Full 'Of Light Clear , Bright '' Lucerna '' Light , Lamp . Bear In MindThat The Language These Original Disciple And Companions Spoke Was Not Greek , But The Same As The Old Testament Language . So The Phrase WouldBe The Same As TheOld Testament But Only Translated Into The Greek And The Latin Which Could Make This Confusing . Why I Want To Point That OutRight Here . The Language Would Be The Same. As We Proceed , You Will See Why The Language Are Important . Now . The Second Place This Phrase ''' Came In Unto Her '' Is Mentioned , Is The Old Testament Genesis 38 ; 18 . What Is Important About That Is Genesis The Book Of Genealogy And Creations And Births . Being The First Of The 5 Books Of Moses . JesusIs Often Identified Through This Line With HisVery Blood And Seed . Being Called Of The Seed Of David John 7 ; 42 . What Does All This Have To Do With This One Phrase And Why Is So Important ? Because It Will Tell You What Physical Being Had Intercourse With Mary To Bring About The Birth Of The Son Of God . You See When You LQQk At The Greek Translation Of Luke 1 ; 28 '' And The Angel Came Into Her ... It Is Translated As ..
CAME IN ; < Greel >>> eiserchomai .. ice - er '. khom - ahee
( 1 ) . To Go Out Or Come In ; To Enter . 2a 1) To Arise , Come Into Existence Begin To Be . 2a3 ) To Come Into Life
UNTO ; < Greek > pros pros
( 1 ) To The Advantage Of . 2 ) At . Near . By . 3 ) To . Towards . With . With Regard To
HER ; < Greek > Autos , ow - tos '
( 1 ) Himself . Herself , Themself , Itself , 2 ) He . She , It , 3 ) The Same .
The Greek Word ice-er'khom - ahee . Means '' To Go Out Or Come In . To Enter '' .
LQQk At The Last Definition '' To Enter '' If You Added This Translation To The Phrase '' Came In Unto Her '' You Would Get '' Entered Into Her '' And That's The Greek . But Before We Go Any Further We Have To Go Back To The Original Language We Go Into Genesis 16 ; 4 '' And He Went In ( bo ) Unto Hagar , And She Conceived ; And When She Saw That She Had Conceived ,
Notice The Exact Same Words Being Used Only In The Original Language Of The Bible . My Point Is '' Unto Her '' In Both Place , You Get The Same Meaning That Some Being Standing There '' Went Or Come Or Entered '' Into Her '' And If In The Case Of Genesis 16 ; 4 . Abraham '' Went In Unto ''Hagar , And She Conceived '' The Hebrew Word There Is Haw - raw '' Conceived , Woman , With Child , Bear , Progenitor , Impregnate '' The Act Of Abraham Going In Unto Hagar Resulted In Childbirth . The Phrase '' Enter Her '' Would Mean A Sexual Intercourse , And The Reason And They Call It The Immaculate Conception , Is Cleared Up By St . John Chapter 1 ; 13 . Where It States This Jesus Was Not Born Out Of The Lust Of Men . It Was A Clean Incident . Not A Pleasure Incident , A Divine Incident , An Immaculate Incident , The Quote Reads '' Which Were Born Not Of Blood Nor Of The Will Of Flesh Nor Of The Will Of Man But Of God . This Child Was Born In An Immaculate Conception Because The Angel Representing God In The Flesh Was Pure And Not Of This World . For Further Proof . That The Statement '' In Unto Her '' Means A Sexual Intercourse Is Found In Genesis 38 ; 8 , Where '' Judah Said Unto Onan , Go In Unto Thy Brother Wife And Marry Her And Raise Up Seed To Thy Brother . ;.,.. He Was Telling Him To Have A Sexual Intercourse With His Brother Wife To Have A Child And The Same Phrase Is Mentioned . Throughout The Bible , '' Went In Unto Her '' Simply Meant An Intercourse Sexually To Reproduce '' Am I Saying Mary Was Not A Virgin ? Had Mary Had An Intercourse With An Ordinary Man , She Would Be Classified Not A Virgin . Her Statement Is '' No Man Has Known Me '' And That She Has Been Chosen Above The Woman Of The World . She Was A Virgin Espoused To Joseph According To Luke 1 ; 27 , So She Was A Virgin When The Angel Came To Her . A Virgin Shall Conceive And Have A Child Doesn't Mean That After The Intercourse She Is Still A Virgin . It Meant That TheWoman That Would Bear This Child Would Be A Virgin . Not A Woman Who Had Already Had Children . And That Whole Concept Was Borrowed From The Book Of Isaiah 7 ; 14
'' Therefore The Yahweh ( Lord ) Himself Shall Give You A Sign , Behold , A Virgin
( al-maw ) Shall Conceive And Bear A Son And Shall Call His Name Emmanuel . The Word Almaw Doesn't Merely Mean Virgin In The Sense Of One Whose Hymen Has Not Been Broken , But Rather '' A Maid Or Newly Married Woman , A Damsel . '' And As You Can See , This Quote Is Not A Prophecy Of Jesus Christ If You Read The Whole Chapter , But A Wife That Isaiah Took Later And This Was A Sign To A King Ahaz Of Syria And Borrowed For The New Testament To Support Their Story . The Greek They Use In Matthew 1 ; 23 And I Quote '' Behold A Virgin Shall Be With A Child , And Shall Bring Forth A Son And They Shall Call His Name Emmanuel , Which Being Interpreted Is God With Us . The Greek Word For Virgin Here Is Par-than-os And The Definition They Give '' A Marriageable Maiden '' Means Eligible For Marriage , Because She Still Was Unconsummated . '' A Woman Who Has Never Had Sexual Intercourse With A Man . And You Can See From This Second Portion Of The Definition That The New Testament Intentionally Borrowed A Quote From Isaiah 7; 14, Added A New Definition To The Word Virgin , Which Was Almaw , Give Their Own Which Is Par -than - os , Just To Support Their Beliefs . Changing Word And Altering The Meanings Of God . Something That The Book Of Revelation 22 ;19 Warns Against , Because They Simply Fear The Facts And The Results .They Can't Explain These Happening So They Shroud Them In Terms Like Faith And Belief To Hide The Facts . That This Is No More Then A Re-make Of The Story Of The Immaculate Conception In Egipt Of Isis , The Virgin Whose Huband Osiris Was Killed Before She Had A Child , And An Angelic Being Khonsu Came To Her And Helped Her And She Later Conceived A Son Horus , Who Became Known As The Son Of God . This Was Recorded 10,500 Year Before Your Book Of Isaiah 7 ; 14 And Matthew 1 ; 23 . It Is Simply A Stolen Story . A Plagiarized Story Of Another Culture The Egiptians . And Being Re-taught To The Original Egiptians In The Form Of A New Religion Called Christianity . To Explain The Christian Fabricated Story . The Angel Gabriel Or The Holy Ghost Entered Mary And Over - Shadowed Her As Luke 1 Verse 35 , Mentions '' And The Angel Answered And Said Unto Her . The Holy Ghost Shall Come Upon Thee , And The Power Of The Highest Shall OverShadow Thee ; Therefore Also That Holy Thing Which Shall Be Born Of Thee Shall Be Called The Son Of God. '' The Greek Word Used For Come Is ep-er-khom-ahee , Meaning '' To Come Upon , Come On '' Which Means That The Holy Ghost Came Upon Or On Top Of Mary . For The Word Upon In Greek Is Epi - ep - ee . Meaning '' On , In , Unto , To Of Position , Upon '' . So Now We Have The Holy Ghost According To Luke1 ; 25 , Coming In Unto Mary In Luke 1 ; 28 , And In Luke 1 ; 35 , The Holy Ghost Came Upon Her , And OverShadowed Her . Just What Does'' OverShadow '' Means ? Well , The BibleAccording To Luke1 ; 35 Tells Us '' OverShadowed . Which In Greek Is Ep - ee - skee - ad'' Means '' To Lay Upon To Envelope In Shadow '' Now That We Have The Whole '' To Lay Upon , To Envelope In A Shadow '' . NowThat We Have The Whole Picture , We Can Start Putting The Pieces Together . This Angel That Was Sent From God Came To Mary . Spoke To Her About Having Her Giving Birth To The Son Of God , And Then He Laid Upon Her Or Enveloped A Shadow Upon Her Because He Was Laying Upon , Thus His Shadow Was Upon Her . And Then Artificially Inseminated The Seed Of GodWhich Was ThePackage He CameTo Give Her According To Koran 19 ; 17 - 19 , And Inpregnated Her With The Child Of God Who Was To Be Called The Son Of God / Thehos Equivalent To The Hebrew Word Gods / Eloheem . So When Referring To Someone Having Sexual Intercourse And Coming In Unto Their Spouse The New Testament Using The Greek Word Ice -er - khom - ahee , Meaning '' To Go Or Come In , To Enter '' . If You Use One Of The Greek Versions To Enter , It Would Be '' To Enter Her '' . Not '' Come In Or Go In Unto Her . What Does The Old Testament Use?
If You Go To The Old Testament In Genesis 38 ; 8 - 9 You Will Read '' And Judah Said Unto Onan , Go In Unto Thy Brother's Wife , And Marry Her , And Raise Up Seed To Thy Brother . And Onan Knew That The Seed Should Not Be His ; And It Came To Pass , When He Went In Unto His Brother's Wife , That He Spilled It On The Ground , Lest That He Should Give Seed To His Brother ''
The Quote Above Uses The Hebrew Word Bo For '' Go In '' And For '' Went In '' . And They Are Making Reference To Onan . The Son Of Judah To Lay With His Bothers Wife ( Ish - Shaw ) And Marry Her . And Raise A Seed ( Zeh-rah ) By Her . To Compenensated For His Brothers Seed . HowEver , Onan Went In Unto Tamar . And Shaw -khath Meaning '' To Destroy . Corrupt . Ruin , Spoiled '' Spilled His Seed Or Semen On The Ground . This Is Definitly Speaking About Two People Having Sexual Intercourse . Genesis 38 ; 16 States ... And He Gave It Her , And Came In ( Bo ) Unto Her . And She Conceived By Hime '' This Story Is Speaking About Judah , Having Sexual Intercourse With The Harlot Tamar . And The Word Used For '' Came In Is Bo Meaning '' To Go In . Enter , Come . Go . Come In '' . These QuotesBelow Use The Same Word Bo Meaning '' To Go In . Enter , Come. Go . Comes In '' , Even To The Point Where The Wife Becomes Pregnant . So So It Is Obviously Speaking About Two People Having Sexual Intercourse .
Genesis 16 ; 4 '' And he went in ( bo ) unto Hagar , and she conceived . and when she saw that she had conceived ...
Genesis 29 ;23 '' And it came to pass in the evening . that he took Leah his daughter . and brought her to him ; and he went in unto her .
Genesis 6 ; 4 '' There were giants in the earth in those days ; and also after that . when the sons of God came in ( bo ) unto the daughters of men , and they bare children to them .
2Samuel 11 ; 4 '' And David sent messengers , and took her ; and she came in ( bo)
unto him and he lay with her ;
Esther 2 ; 14 '' In the evening she went , and on the morrow she returned into the second house of the women , to the custody of Shaadhgaz , the king's chamberlatin . which kept the concubines ; she came in ( bo ) unto the king no more, except theking delighted in her .
What Does The Koran Use For The Word '' Came In Unto ? The Koran 19 ; 19 Uses The Word Ahaba Meaning '' To Give , Grant , Endow'' Koran 19 ; 19 ''' He said ; '' Nay , I am only a mesenger from thy Lord ( to announce ) to thee the gift of a holy son '' The Angel Gabriel Didn't Use The Word Atiy Meaning '' To Give . To Present , Or Hand Over '' . Nor Did He Use Ahdara Meaning '' Bringing '' The Arabic Word Used Again Was Ahaba Meaning '' To Give , To Grant , To Endow . Other Forms Of This Word Ahaba Is Wahaba '' To Give . Donate . To Grant , Accord , To Present '' Mawhiba '' Given . Granted . Gifted , Talented '' And . Waahib '' Giver . Donor '' Am I Telling You That The Greatest Story Ever Told Is A Lie ? Well , TheFact Is That The Very Staement The Greatest Story Tells You It's Just That . That's Why It's Often Called X-mas , A Ritual That Never Happened As They Said . This Is Why They Have Found Horus ' Body But Not Jesus ' . They Have Found Isis ' Body But Not Mary 's They Have Found Osiris ' Body But Not Joseph Or Jehovah , And They Will Tell You That's Because God Took Him Up . If God Took Jesus Up Bodily . Then Heaven Is A Material Place , A Physical Place , Not A Spiritual Place . And John 4 ; 24 , And Philippians 3 ; 3 Matched With Matthew 6 ; 9 Where It State '' our father who art in heaven '' . If God The Father Is In Heaven , Then God's Throne Is In Heaven Matthew 5 ;34 , And We AreTo Worship God In Spirit . And When Jesus Was On The Cross At Calvary . He Didn't Send His Body To Heaven . John 19 ; 30 Clearly States . From The Cross '' it is finished , and he bowed his head and gave up . the ghost '' or die . His head went down , his ghost or spirit went up . And Luke 23 ; 47 Supports The Word Spirit Being The Ghost Because It States '' and when Jesus had cried with a loud voice . he said father into thy hands I commend my spirit , and having said thus . he gave up the ghost '' So The God That Jesus Returned To As His Father . His Throne In Heaven Is A Spiritual Abode . So Which Is It ? Jesus Goes Up Bodily To A Physical Place Or Jesus Goes Up Ghostly John 19 ; 30 . To A Spiritual Place Or Like Earth ? Is It Both Like The Ancient Egiptian Taught ? So The Question Comes Up To You , Jesus Left His Body Here ? His Body Was Put In A Tomb . Someone Stole The Body As Mary Magdelene Put It . Then She Spoke With Jesus In The Garden And Discovered It Was Him John 20 ; 15 . Eight Days Later He Appeared In The Upper Room Hungry Ready To Eat John 20 ; 26 . Get Seen By The Disciples Bathe Naked John 21 ; 7 . All Of This Was The Crucifxion . Resurrected Spirit Do Not Have To Eat Meant John 21 ; 5 , Luke 24 ; 31 . Spirit Do Not Have To Show You Physical Wounds John 20 ; 25 . You Don't Have To Remove A Stone To Remove A Spirit ' Body Out Matthew 28 ; 2 . A Spirit Body Wouldn't Have To Disguise Himself As A Gardener John 20 ; 15. ARE YOU GETTING POINT ? You Have Been Fed Misinformation Intentionally To Keep You Away From The Truth , That All Of These Come Out Of Ancient Egipt About An Egiptian Deity Called The Son Of God Or Horus ;..

What will happen when you die? Do you believe in an afterlife? Will the afterlife be fulled people with your physical likeness? Will God resemble your physical likeness? Is there a different god for different people? Who do you serve? Do you know the answers to my questions to be fact and if so how can you prove it?

Imagine this. What if when you die all the 3 dimensional things that governed your existence were gone? So let's examine that for a moment. Everything about life as you know it would change. You would have no need for your senses because the place you would be in would be beyond convention. Who you were and where you were from wouldn't matter. You would exist outside of time and space? You would have true freedom. You would be outside the box so to speak. You would have a new existence and all you knew would fade into oblivion. You would commune with God. Now imagine if you died and you still had all your senses and memories but you were everlasting. Imagine in this existence you were in excruciating pain. All your senses would be heightened and alive with anguish. Imagine you would be overcome with overwhelming sorrow and despare. Imagine if no matter how many times you made your mind up you could never get use to your conditions. Imagine if you wished you would be better off to never have existed than to exist in the place your in. Well you're smart enough to know that I'm speaking about what I perceive to be Heaven and Hell based upon scripture from the Bible. Now last question. Say you're a gambling person, based on the vision I just laid out and Biblical truth where would you put your money?

Peace

Radical Faith

Who Was Yashua Father?
Just What Does '' Came In Unto Her ' Means ? Well . We Will Have To Search God's Words , The Bible And See , And This Exact Phrase Is Mentioned Only Twice In The Bible In This Exact Form . One In The New Testament In The Book Of Luke 1 ; 28 , One Of The Four Synoptic Gospels Chosen Out Of The Many , Reavealed 56 - 58 . A .D. At Caesare . TheAuther Being Called Lucanus Or Latin Lucas , Luciene , From Latin Lucere '' To Shine '' . Lux Gen . From Lucis '' Light '' Lucidas ' Full 'Of Light Clear , Bright '' Lucerna '' Light , Lamp . Bear In MindThat The Language These Original Disciple And Companions Spoke Was Not Greek , But The Same As The Old Testament Language . So The Phrase WouldBe The Same As TheOld Testament But Only Translated Into The Greek And The Latin Which Could Make This Confusing . Why I Want To Point That OutRight Here . The Language Would Be The Same. As We Proceed , You Will See Why The Language Are Important . Now . The Second Place This Phrase ''' Came In Unto Her '' Is Mentioned , Is The Old Testament Genesis 38 ; 18 . What Is Important About That Is Genesis The Book Of Genealogy And Creations And Births . Being The First Of The 5 Books Of Moses . JesusIs Often Identified Through This Line With HisVery Blood And Seed . Being Called Of The Seed Of David John 7 ; 42 . What Does All This Have To Do With This One Phrase And Why Is So Important ? Because It Will Tell You What Physical Being Had Intercourse With Mary To Bring About The Birth Of The Son Of God . You See When You LQQk At The Greek Translation Of Luke 1 ; 28 '' And The Angel Came Into Her ... It Is Translated As ..
CAME IN ; < Greel >>> eiserchomai .. ice - er '. khom - ahee
( 1 ) . To Go Out Or Come In ; To Enter . 2a 1) To Arise , Come Into Existence Begin To Be . 2a3 ) To Come Into Life
UNTO ; < Greek > pros pros
( 1 ) To The Advantage Of . 2 ) At . Near . By . 3 ) To . Towards . With . With Regard To
HER ; < Greek > Autos , ow - tos '
( 1 ) Himself . Herself , Themself , Itself , 2 ) He . She , It , 3 ) The Same .
The Greek Word ice-er'khom - ahee . Means '' To Go Out Or Come In . To Enter '' .
LQQk At The Last Definition '' To Enter '' If You Added This Translation To The Phrase '' Came In Unto Her '' You Would Get '' Entered Into Her '' And That's The Greek . But Before We Go Any Further We Have To Go Back To The Original Language We Go Into Genesis 16 ; 4 '' And He Went In ( bo ) Unto Hagar , And She Conceived ; And When She Saw That She Had Conceived ,
Notice The Exact Same Words Being Used Only In The Original Language Of The Bible . My Point Is '' Unto Her '' In Both Place , You Get The Same Meaning That Some Being Standing There '' Went Or Come Or Entered '' Into Her '' And If In The Case Of Genesis 16 ; 4 . Abraham '' Went In Unto ''Hagar , And She Conceived '' The Hebrew Word There Is Haw - raw '' Conceived , Woman , With Child , Bear , Progenitor , Impregnate '' The Act Of Abraham Going In Unto Hagar Resulted In Childbirth . The Phrase '' Enter Her '' Would Mean A Sexual Intercourse , And The Reason And They Call It The Immaculate Conception , Is Cleared Up By St . John Chapter 1 ; 13 . Where It States This Jesus Was Not Born Out Of The Lust Of Men . It Was A Clean Incident . Not A Pleasure Incident , A Divine Incident , An Immaculate Incident , The Quote Reads '' Which Were Born Not Of Blood Nor Of The Will Of Flesh Nor Of The Will Of Man But Of God . This Child Was Born In An Immaculate Conception Because The Angel Representing God In The Flesh Was Pure And Not Of This World . For Further Proof . That The Statement '' In Unto Her '' Means A Sexual Intercourse Is Found In Genesis 38 ; 8 , Where '' Judah Said Unto Onan , Go In Unto Thy Brother Wife And Marry Her And Raise Up Seed To Thy Brother . ;.,.. He Was Telling Him To Have A Sexual Intercourse With His Brother Wife To Have A Child And The Same Phrase Is Mentioned . Throughout The Bible , '' Went In Unto Her '' Simply Meant An Intercourse Sexually To Reproduce '' Am I Saying Mary Was Not A Virgin ? Had Mary Had An Intercourse With An Ordinary Man , She Would Be Classified Not A Virgin . Her Statement Is '' No Man Has Known Me '' And That She Has Been Chosen Above The Woman Of The World . She Was A Virgin Espoused To Joseph According To Luke 1 ; 27 , So She Was A Virgin When The Angel Came To Her . A Virgin Shall Conceive And Have A Child Doesn't Mean That After The Intercourse She Is Still A Virgin . It Meant That TheWoman That Would Bear This Child Would Be A Virgin . Not A Woman Who Had Already Had Children . And That Whole Concept Was Borrowed From The Book Of Isaiah 7 ; 14
'' Therefore The Yahweh ( Lord ) Himself Shall Give You A Sign , Behold , A Virgin
( al-maw ) Shall Conceive And Bear A Son And Shall Call His Name Emmanuel . The Word Almaw Doesn't Merely Mean Virgin In The Sense Of One Whose Hymen Has Not Been Broken , But Rather '' A Maid Or Newly Married Woman , A Damsel . '' And As You Can See , This Quote Is Not A Prophecy Of Jesus Christ If You Read The Whole Chapter , But A Wife That Isaiah Took Later And This Was A Sign To A King Ahaz Of Syria And Borrowed For The New Testament To Support Their Story . The Greek They Use In Matthew 1 ; 23 And I Quote '' Behold A Virgin Shall Be With A Child , And Shall Bring Forth A Son And They Shall Call His Name Emmanuel , Which Being Interpreted Is God With Us . The Greek Word For Virgin Here Is Par-than-os And The Definition They Give '' A Marriageable Maiden '' Means Eligible For Marriage , Because She Still Was Unconsummated . '' A Woman Who Has Never Had Sexual Intercourse With A Man . And You Can See From This Second Portion Of The Definition That The New Testament Intentionally Borrowed A Quote From Isaiah 7; 14, Added A New Definition To The Word Virgin , Which Was Almaw , Give Their Own Which Is Par -than - os , Just To Support Their Beliefs . Changing Word And Altering The Meanings Of God . Something That The Book Of Revelation 22 ;19 Warns Against , Because They Simply Fear The Facts And The Results .They Can't Explain These Happening So They Shroud Them In Terms Like Faith And Belief To Hide The Facts . That This Is No More Then A Re-make Of The Story Of The Immaculate Conception In Egipt Of Isis , The Virgin Whose Huband Osiris Was Killed Before She Had A Child , And An Angelic Being Khonsu Came To Her And Helped Her And She Later Conceived A Son Horus , Who Became Known As The Son Of God . This Was Recorded 10,500 Year Before Your Book Of Isaiah 7 ; 14 And Matthew 1 ; 23 . It Is Simply A Stolen Story . A Plagiarized Story Of Another Culture The Egiptians . And Being Re-taught To The Original Egiptians In The Form Of A New Religion Called Christianity . To Explain The Christian Fabricated Story . The Angel Gabriel Or The Holy Ghost Entered Mary And Over - Shadowed Her As Luke 1 Verse 35 , Mentions '' And The Angel Answered And Said Unto Her . The Holy Ghost Shall Come Upon Thee , And The Power Of The Highest Shall OverShadow Thee ; Therefore Also That Holy Thing Which Shall Be Born Of Thee Shall Be Called The Son Of God. '' The Greek Word Used For Come Is ep-er-khom-ahee , Meaning '' To Come Upon , Come On '' Which Means That The Holy Ghost Came Upon Or On Top Of Mary . For The Word Upon In Greek Is Epi - ep - ee . Meaning '' On , In , Unto , To Of Position , Upon '' . So Now We Have The Holy Ghost According To Luke1 ; 25 , Coming In Unto Mary In Luke 1 ; 28 , And In Luke 1 ; 35 , The Holy Ghost Came Upon Her , And OverShadowed Her . Just What Does'' OverShadow '' Means ? Well , The BibleAccording To Luke1 ; 35 Tells Us '' OverShadowed . Which In Greek Is Ep - ee - skee - ad'' Means '' To Lay Upon To Envelope In Shadow '' Now That We Have The Whole '' To Lay Upon , To Envelope In A Shadow '' . NowThat We Have The Whole Picture , We Can Start Putting The Pieces Together . This Angel That Was Sent From God Came To Mary . Spoke To Her About Having Her Giving Birth To The Son Of God , And Then He Laid Upon Her Or Enveloped A Shadow Upon Her Because He Was Laying Upon , Thus His Shadow Was Upon Her . And Then Artificially Inseminated The Seed Of GodWhich Was ThePackage He CameTo Give Her According To Koran 19 ; 17 - 19 , And Inpregnated Her With The Child Of God Who Was To Be Called The Son Of God / Thehos Equivalent To The Hebrew Word Gods / Eloheem . So When Referring To Someone Having Sexual Intercourse And Coming In Unto Their Spouse The New Testament Using The Greek Word Ice -er - khom - ahee , Meaning '' To Go Or Come In , To Enter '' . If You Use One Of The Greek Versions To Enter , It Would Be '' To Enter Her '' . Not '' Come In Or Go In Unto Her . What Does The Old Testament Use?
If You Go To The Old Testament In Genesis 38 ; 8 - 9 You Will Read '' And Judah Said Unto Onan , Go In Unto Thy Brother's Wife , And Marry Her , And Raise Up Seed To Thy Brother . And Onan Knew That The Seed Should Not Be His ; And It Came To Pass , When He Went In Unto His Brother's Wife , That He Spilled It On The Ground , Lest That He Should Give Seed To His Brother ''
The Quote Above Uses The Hebrew Word Bo For '' Go In '' And For '' Went In '' . And They Are Making Reference To Onan . The Son Of Judah To Lay With His Bothers Wife ( Ish - Shaw ) And Marry Her . And Raise A Seed ( Zeh-rah ) By Her . To Compenensated For His Brothers Seed . HowEver , Onan Went In Unto Tamar . And Shaw -khath Meaning '' To Destroy . Corrupt . Ruin , Spoiled '' Spilled His Seed Or Semen On The Ground . This Is Definitly Speaking About Two People Having Sexual Intercourse . Genesis 38 ; 16 States ... And He Gave It Her , And Came In ( Bo ) Unto Her . And She Conceived By Hime '' This Story Is Speaking About Judah , Having Sexual Intercourse With The Harlot Tamar . And The Word Used For '' Came In Is Bo Meaning '' To Go In . Enter , Come . Go . Come In '' . These QuotesBelow Use The Same Word Bo Meaning '' To Go In . Enter , Come. Go . Comes In '' , Even To The Point Where The Wife Becomes Pregnant . So So It Is Obviously Speaking About Two People Having Sexual Intercourse .
Genesis 16 ; 4 '' And he went in ( bo ) unto Hagar , and she conceived . and when she saw that she had conceived ...
Genesis 29 ;23 '' And it came to pass in the evening . that he took Leah his daughter . and brought her to him ; and he went in unto her .
Genesis 6 ; 4 '' There were giants in the earth in those days ; and also after that . when the sons of God came in ( bo ) unto the daughters of men , and they bare children to them .
2Samuel 11 ; 4 '' And David sent messengers , and took her ; and she came in ( bo)
unto him and he lay with her ;
Esther 2 ; 14 '' In the evening she went , and on the morrow she returned into the second house of the women , to the custody of Shaadhgaz , the king's chamberlatin . which kept the concubines ; she came in ( bo ) unto the king no more, except theking delighted in her .
What Does The Koran Use For The Word '' Came In Unto ? The Koran 19 ; 19 Uses The Word Ahaba Meaning '' To Give , Grant , Endow'' Koran 19 ; 19 ''' He said ; '' Nay , I am only a mesenger from thy Lord ( to announce ) to thee the gift of a holy son '' The Angel Gabriel Didn't Use The Word Atiy Meaning '' To Give . To Present , Or Hand Over '' . Nor Did He Use Ahdara Meaning '' Bringing '' The Arabic Word Used Again Was Ahaba Meaning '' To Give , To Grant , To Endow . Other Forms Of This Word Ahaba Is Wahaba '' To Give . Donate . To Grant , Accord , To Present '' Mawhiba '' Given . Granted . Gifted , Talented '' And . Waahib '' Giver . Donor '' Am I Telling You That The Greatest Story Ever Told Is A Lie ? Well , TheFact Is That The Very Staement The Greatest Story Tells You It's Just That . That's Why It's Often Called X-mas , A Ritual That Never Happened As They Said . This Is Why They Have Found Horus ' Body But Not Jesus ' . They Have Found Isis ' Body But Not Mary 's They Have Found Osiris ' Body But Not Joseph Or Jehovah , And They Will Tell You That's Because God Took Him Up . If God Took Jesus Up Bodily . Then Heaven Is A Material Place , A Physical Place , Not A Spiritual Place . And John 4 ; 24 , And Philippians 3 ; 3 Matched With Matthew 6 ; 9 Where It State '' our father who art in heaven '' . If God The Father Is In Heaven , Then God's Throne Is In Heaven Matthew 5 ;34 , And We AreTo Worship God In Spirit . And When Jesus Was On The Cross At Calvary . He Didn't Send His Body To Heaven . John 19 ; 30 Clearly States . From The Cross '' it is finished , and he bowed his head and gave up . the ghost '' or die . His head went down , his ghost or spirit went up . And Luke 23 ; 47 Supports The Word Spirit Being The Ghost Because It States '' and when Jesus had cried with a loud voice . he said father into thy hands I commend my spirit , and having said thus . he gave up the ghost '' So The God That Jesus Returned To As His Father . His Throne In Heaven Is A Spiritual Abode . So Which Is It ? Jesus Goes Up Bodily To A Physical Place Or Jesus Goes Up Ghostly John 19 ; 30 . To A Spiritual Place Or Like Earth ? Is It Both Like The Ancient Egiptian Taught ? So The Question Comes Up To You , Jesus Left His Body Here ? His Body Was Put In A Tomb . Someone Stole The Body As Mary Magdelene Put It . Then She Spoke With Jesus In The Garden And Discovered It Was Him John 20 ; 15 . Eight Days Later He Appeared In The Upper Room Hungry Ready To Eat John 20 ; 26 . Get Seen By The Disciples Bathe Naked John 21 ; 7 . All Of This Was The Crucifxion . Resurrected Spirit Do Not Have To Eat Meant John 21 ; 5 , Luke 24 ; 31 . Spirit Do Not Have To Show You Physical Wounds John 20 ; 25 . You Don't Have To Remove A Stone To Remove A Spirit ' Body Out Matthew 28 ; 2 . A Spirit Body Wouldn't Have To Disguise Himself As A Gardener John 20 ; 15. ARE YOU GETTING POINT ? You Have Been Fed Misinformation Intentionally To Keep You Away From The Truth , That All Of These Come Out Of Ancient Egipt About An Egiptian Deity Called The Son Of God Or Horus ;..



I'm verse with the story of Assaur, Aset and Heru and see the simularities between that and of Jesus. This can also be said of Hercules from greek mythology. What is the major difference between the forementioned and the Life of Jesus?

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What will happen when you die? Do you believe in an afterlife? Will the afterlife be fulled people with your physical likeness? Will God resemble your physical likeness? Is there a different god for different people? Who do you serve? Do you know the answers to my questions to be fact and if so how can you prove it?

Imagine this. What if when you die all the 3 dimensional things that governed your existence were gone? So let's examine that for a moment. Everything about life as you know it would change. You would have no need for your senses because the place you would be in would be beyond convention. Who you were and where you were from wouldn't matter. You would exist outside of time and space? You would have true freedom. You would be outside the box so to speak. You would have a new existence and all you knew would fade into oblivion. You would commune with God. Now imagine if you died and you still had all your senses and memories but you were everlasting. Imagine in this existence you were in excruciating pain. All your senses would be heightened and alive with anguish. Imagine you would be overcome with overwhelming sorrow and despare. Imagine if no matter how many times you made your mind up you could never get use to your conditions. Imagine if you wished you would be better off to never have existed than to exist in the place your in. Well you're smart enough to know that I'm speaking about what I perceive to be Heaven and Hell based upon scripture from the Bible. Now last question. Say you're a gambling person, based on the vision I just laid out and Biblical truth where would you put your money?

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Again ThankYou For Reading My Post . I Also Notice You Didn't Say Anything About It ... Again I Must Say I Don't Believe In AnyOne Testimony And This Is Another One Of Your Testimony . As Of Yet No One Has Come Back From The Dead And Told Anyone What Happen After You Dead OverStand ? Again You Have No Scriptures Here Why ??? Ok I'll Play You Little Game . < Is There A Link Between Life On Earth And Life After Dead > There Is A Link Or A Connnection Between The Two Lives , The Life On Earth And The Life After Death . Death Does Not End Life , But Instead Open The Door . Or Is The Door To Higher Forms Of Life For Thiose Selected . Knowledge Of The Seven Heavens Will Increase The OverStanding Of Life And Death . From The Moment Of Birth , The Essence Of You . The Hayaat Meaning '' Life Force '' Is Traveling The Road To The Doorway Of Death . Every Individual Must Live His Or Her Life With The Knowledge That He Or She Too Will Someday Face Death , It Is A Common Saying
'' Today Is The First Day Of The Rest Of Your Life . '' Take Heed ! . It Is Never Too Late To Clean Up Your Life ; To Prepare For The Life To Come . It Is Easy To Imagine Birth And Death At Opposite End Of A String ; The String Being Life . Birth
( The Breathe Of Life ) Is A Gift From The AngelicBeings Also Known As The Hevenly Host So That You Might Prove Worthiness Of Being In The Image And After The Likeness Of The AngelicBeings Again , And Enter Into Their Presence . The Aramic / Hebrew Word For '' Life '' Is Chay < khah'-ee > , The SameAs The Arabic Word For '' Life '' Hayaa , And The Word For '' Life '' In Greek Is Zoe < dzo-ay > Life , Meaning The Time , The Arabic Word For '' Life '' Hayaa , And The Word For '' Life '' In Greek Is Zoe < dzo - ay > Life , Meaning The Time You Spend On This Planet Earth In Your Physical Body . At Any Point From Birth , The String May Be Broken And You Will Return To A Spiritual State ; And No Matthew How Long The String Is , Each Person Must Someday Taste Death As It States In ..
The Koran < In Arabic Inserts > And I Quote , How Can You Conceal Your Belief In God , When You Were Dead So He Gave You Life , Then You Died Again , Then He Brought You To Life Again , Then You Shall Return To Him ?
Death Is Simply The Removal Of The Nefesh / Hayyam '' Breath Of Life '' The Gift Of The AngelicBeings. When A Person Dies , The Soul And The Breath Of Life Is The Last Thing To Leave The Physical Body . What You Do During Your Life Determines What Will Happen To Your Essence After Death . Were You Thankful Or Unthankful ? Did You Help Or Hinder ? Did You Build Or Destroy ? Did You Give Or Always Take ? Are You Truely In The Image Of The Good Angels Or Are You In The Image Of The Evil Angels ? You Can Solve The Riddle Of Life And Death . There Are Six Stages Of Life And Death Which Include ;
( 1 ) . Without Life ; ( Before The Sperm Was Used To Fertilize The Ovum ) The Qura'an 7; 6 ; '' Didn't The Human Being ( Insaan ) Go Through A Period Of Time When HeWas Nothing To Be Remember ? ( Job 31 ; 15 , Jer 1 ; 5 , Ps 139 ; 15 - 16)
( 2 ) . Life ; ( The Sperm Was Mixed With Ovum , Equals Fetus ) The Quraan 76 ; 2 - 3 ; '' Very , We Created Humans From Semen Mixed ( With Ovum ) , We Were Testing Him ( Experimenting With Cloning ) ; And We Gave Him The Ability To Hear And To See , '' ( Deu , 29 ; 4 , Job 10 ; 9 - 12 , Mat 13 ; 16 ) . Verily , We Guided Him In The Way . It Is Up To Him To Either Be Grateful . Or Ungrateful . . ''
( 3 ) . Die ; ( In The Womb Of The Mother You Are Not Your Own Provider ) The Quraan 2 ; 28 ; '' How Can You Conceal Your Belief In God . When You Were Dead So He Gave You Life . Then You Died Again , Then He Brought You To Life Again , Then You Shall Return To Him ? ( Ps , 104 ; 29 , Mat 22 ; 31 , Luk 20 ; 27 - 36 ) .
( 4 ) . Birth ; ( Lifetime On Earth ) The Quraan 76 ; 2 - 3 , '' Verily , We Created Humans From Semen Mixed ( With Ovum ) . We Were Testing Him ( Experimenting With Cloning ) . And We Cave Him The Ability To Hear Hear And To See ( Deu 29; 4 , Job 10 ; 9 - 12 , Mat 13 ; 16 ,) We Guided Him In The Way ; It Is Up To Him To Either Be Grateful Or Ungrateful . '' Then You Died Again , Then He Brought You To Life Again , Then He Brought You To Life Again The Quraan 2 ; 28 ..
( 5 ) . Death ; ( Loss Of '' Breath Of Life '' ) . The Quraan 10 ; 56 '' He Gives Life And He Causes Death And To Him , You All Shall Return .
( 6 ) . Life After Death ; Yawm Al Qiyaamah = The Day Of Standin , Yawm Al Diyn = Day Of Judgement , Yawm Al Ahkiri = Last Day ; Walk The Filament .
Heaven , Which Is With God , Is Everlasting And All Eternal . The Earth Is Only A Temporary Abode For Man As A Means Of Redemption ( Ps 111 ; 9 ) . HowEver , The Devil Whispers Into The Hearts Of Man And Wonam And Childrens Continuously Trying To Seduse Them With Things Of This Word. Causing Them To Believe That This Is The Beginning And The End Of All Things . And That The Physical World Is Permanent . Jesus Christ Warned Us About The Material Things Of This World And Being Attached To Them . Matthew 6 ; 19 - 20 , And I Quote , Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal ...
Many People Doubt As To The Reality Of Life After Death . It Is Even Taught By Some That One Must Enjoy The Pleasure Of This Life To The Fullest While He Or She Has The Chance . HowEver , That Is Part The Devil's Plan , To Take Your Mind Off Your Purpose And Away From The Lord '' Yahweh '' And His Commandments
Exodus 20 ; 3 - 17 And I Quote , You shall have no other gods before me. 4 "You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. 7 "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain. 8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; 11 for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it. 12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which the LORD your God gives you. 13 "You shall not kill. 14 "You shall not commit adultery. 15 "You shall not steal. 16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ***, or anything that is your neighbor's." ;... The Lord '' Yahweh '' Tells Us To Keep His Commandment In Proverbs 7 ; 2 And I Quote ; '' Keep My Commandments And Live ; And My Law As The Apple Of Thine Eye . And In Ecclesiastes 12 ; 13 , It Tell Us That Our Only Purpose As Man / Woman / Child Is To Keep God's '' Eloheem '' Commandments And I Quote . The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. ;... All The Devil Cares About Is Winning Your Soul Over To His Side , To His Army , And Then Deceiving You At The End . Remember , What Happen To You After You Take The Last Breath Of Life . Is Up To You And How You Spend YourLifetime ...
Matthew 16 ; 26 , And I Quote , For what will it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and forfeits his life? Or what shall a man give in return for his life? ;... The Quote Describes Those Who Sell Their Souls For Worldly Gain And Desires . Desire , Being The Longing For , Or Wishing For Something That May Never Come Or Be Acquired , Only '' Leads To Suffering '' . Like Siddhartha Guatama Buddha Has Been Quote As Saying For Years. Not Having Control Over Desire Can Be As Detrimental As Losing Your Life . And Furthermore Your Soul . Desire Is The Most Powerful Force And Factor Ruining Many People's Lives And Taking Control Of Their Emotions . How Have People Like Michael Jackson Really Profited , Who Was Once A Jehovah's Witness ? He Gave Up His Religious Teachings For Worldly Desires 1Timothy 6 ; 9 - 10 And I Quote , But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and hurtful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs. ;... When He Did The Vido '' Thriller '' , It Had Demons And All Sorts Of Terrifying Things In It , Now Look At Him . He Gave Up His Soul For Material Things Of This World . His Very Soul Is Gone All For Naught . He May Have Money , Fame , And Fortune But Look At What He Had To Do To Get It - Sell His Soul . The Things Of This Would Are Perishable . Think About It . The Cares Of This Would And The Deceitfulness . Of Riches And The Lust Of Other Things Are Things That Bind People's Soul To This World . When You Die Your Body Eventually Decays And Goes Back Into The Earth ( Genesis 20 ; 7 , The Koran 21 ; 35 ) . All The Riches You Gained , All The Prestige . And All Your Popularity . You Can't Take It With You For As 1Thimothy 6 ; 5 '' For we brought nothing into this world , and it is certain we can carry nothing out . ;....Even If All Your Riches Were Placed In The Casket By Your Side , You Could Not Enjoy Them , For The Part Of You , Which Belonged To The