TWO MORE AMERICANS WERE BEHEADED, WELL HAD THEIR HEADS SLOWLY HACKED OF WITH A KNIFE WHILE THEY WERE STILL ALIVE-LETS CALL IT WHAT IT IS. THEY R THREATENING TO KILL THE BRITISH HOSTAGE NEXT, HE IS BEGGING 4 HIS LIFE 4 TONY BLAIR 2 WITH DRAW FROM IRAQ.

>>>>>MY QUESTION IS IF U WERE THE RULER/KING/PRES/PRIME MIN OF A NATION WOULD U WITH DRAW FROM IRAQ 2 SAVE ONE OF UR COUNTRY MEN/WOMEN?? <<<<<<<<

I FIND IT SICKENING THT THESE COWARDS IN GOVERNMENT ALWAYS GIVE THE RESPONSE WE DNT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS...IF IT WAS THEIR OWN FAMILIES THEY'D NEGOTIATE IN A MINUTE.

MY ANSWER--ID HVE 2 SAY I WOULD WITH DRAW 2 SAVE ONLY ONE CITIZEN...THEN AGAIN I WOULDNT MURDER AND GET MURDERED 1,000'S UPON 1000'S 4 OIL

That's a good question, personally I have always believed that if you are in a conflict you have to commit totally otherwise don't get involved....I wouldn't pull out of a conflict to save one person but I wouldn't tie my fighters hands either I'd let them do whatever they had to do to take care of the situation ....the American govt isn't doing that they are limiting the actions of the American military putting them in a situation where there are certain things they can't do which is why the insurgents pretty much have the run of Iraq doing what they want when they want and snatching who they want ....again if you must enter into conflict you must be totally committed to it....destroy your opponent as quickly as you can using all the tools at your disposal and do it as violently as you possibly can so anyone else looking and seeing what's going down might think twice before starting up with you like the last victim...I think right now the best thing for our idiot president to do is just get up out of there nothing is being accomplished and our govt isn't committed to getting dirty and doing what it takes to handle their situation and on another note I dont' even think this is about oil..I think old Dumbbunny bush wanted saddam for personal reasons and got over there got hung up and now pride won't let him call them boys back home, If it was for oil I think they'd have turned Iraq into a parking lot a long time ago and opened the pipelines...

Mississippi Red
"Be unpredictable Be Frightening Be Daring" Life Strategies from The Art of War

Sometimes a few lives must be sacrificed for the sake of many in war.

I would probably let their heads roll, that would be cowardly to pull out your troops for one life.

Brother Manasiac...what does cowardice have to do with it and what value does it have in terms of saving a life in this type of situation? America flexes its muscles and does something stupid and people must die for it? Help me to understand.

Queenie :spinstar:

When are you in war. If you retreat from an enemy because of one or two lives, that shows your enemy that you are a coward, and gives them a boost of adreanline that makes them believe they can win anything.

In matters of war a few lives must be sacrficied for the many, I am not advocating the war in Iraq but I am just merely speaking from a military standpoint.

You cannot give an enemy or what you consider an enemy that kind of leverage on you, that is why some heads must roll, and will continue to roll, in order for this nation to fathom any thought of winning.

Lives are meaningless in war, it is called WAR, it is not called LIFESAVING. People die in war.

A few lives will always die, that is the nature of war, a few human casualities are not regarded in war only fulfulling the mission.

America is a superpower, it would be the most embarassing thing in history for a nation to retreat all of its operations for a few people who are about to die, America would become the laughingstock of the globe.

Them white folks aint gone let it happen.

I'd be cutting heads too if someone was forcefully occupying my home. Until the U.S. and all these other countries leave, I don't blame them for chopping heads. They are defending their homes. They might not be honorable people, but they are right for killing intruders. If I was a ruler I would not have been there in the first place. If I was I'd leave and admit my wrongdoing.

it's a no win situation created from the malicious influx of human lives in foreign lands...what about other less publicized war crimes that happen on the daily? are these beheadings worse then women getting raped or innocent families getting slaughtered...in my opinion that answer is no....all's fair in love and war...
one love
khasm

When are you in war. If you retreat from an enemy because of one or two lives, that shows your enemy that you are a coward, and gives them a boost of adreanline that makes them believe they can win anything.

In matters of war a few lives must be sacrficied for the many, I am not advocating the war in Iraq but I am just merely speaking from a military standpoint.

You cannot give an enemy or what you consider an enemy that kind of leverage on you, that is why some heads must roll, and will continue to roll, in order for this nation to fathom any thought of winning.

Lives are meaningless in war, it is called WAR, it is not called LIFESAVING. People die in war.

A few lives will always die, that is the nature of war, a few human casualities are not regarded in war only fulfulling the mission.

America is a superpower, it would be the most embarassing thing in history for a nation to retreat all of its operations for a few people who are about to die, America would become the laughingstock of the globe.

Them white folks aint gone let it happen.


I would have to agree with this right here! No lives will be saved if we pulled out all the head will continue to roll and even more in the near future if America backed down due to a hostage situation. Nobody is saying our soldiers are being killed so we have to leave. We are over there doing dirt also so nobody wins a war on right or wrong because war is about death and killing and who is better at it.

Look at it like this if you had some land and a house and one of your neighbors decided that you couldent have a certain item or items in it. Then they decided that you either get rid of it or they would come in and do it and kill you if they had to. Tell me what would u do?

http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=1182

A link for those who believe you should retreat because of a few.

the u.s. retreated in berut more lives were lost at one time however. spain, and i believe maby the phillipines or korea pulled out (from iraq) to save their country men who had been kidnapped. spain retreated after a mass amount of people died at one time in the madrid bombings. so woiuld it take 300 pppl killed to retreat or just 1 ? how bout if it was a family memeber?

depending on circumstance, if i was commander & chief it would be a tough call. it would depend on how vulnerable the home land was. if pulling out meant the end of my nations existance then id have no choice but to stay. on the other hand i would not be involved in unnecessary, hegemonic warfare such as iraq. a tactical retreat is called for at times, nothing is cowardly about saving lives.

Let's Get The Facts Correct:

Spain withdrew because an anti-war party was elected by a narrow margin, and that party swore before the election that is was pulling spains troops out.

The Phillipines and South Korea pulled because of conflicts with the US policy on the war, not because of a few citizens being kidnapped.

The US launched Secert Wars against Lebanon during 82 to about 86 they're was no cutting an running from those embassy bombings at all.

One reason why you are a poster at Destee and not commander in chief, is simply because a superpower is not suppose to duck and run when it starts war. The Us learned it's lesson about that with the Viet Kong.

When you start war you must finish it. Bottom line. Legal or not, Justified or Un-Justified it must be finished.

Oneof the greatest military minds in history believed in this theory, his name was Hannibal of Carthage, imagine if he would have ran from rome.

Imagine if The Queen Candance of Ethiopa (At that particular time, Candance was the title of Queen not the offical name) would have ran from Alexander the great. Instead he wrote her a letter saying he was sorry for disrespecting her.

So what that said if my mama or daddy dem had to die for the security and reputation of an entire nation, especially if that nation where a superpower, their heads would roll.

All is fair in war. War is not the saving of a few lives for the sake of morality. War is War, you fight until you retreat or you win. An early retreat always leads to an early downfall.

To further back you up brother Manasiac. Being married to a woman from Spain, and having family there. The Iraq war was very unpopular with the majority of Spaniards, and so was President Lopez for supporting it. He would have been voted out anyway, even before the Madrid train bombing.

All I have to say is what is war for? This country does not have all the answers for going to war. War over what? War for what? Is it supposed to make things better for both our families and the enemies?

Beheading is a part of war....Yes, and just do as America does and look around the globe and you will find that out. Remember back in History the Middle East used to do things habitually such as beheading people? Whether it was for a good cause or not? If it was not a problem back then, Why is it a problem now? Because now this country is involved in getting beheaded? If this country did not want to get beheaded, then next time they will learn to mind their own businesses, and keep their noses out of other country's businesses.

Cedric Denson


I am not a war expert, so don't take this for granted, it's just my opinion. Heads being chopped off for what? Nothing? Because that is exaclty what is being handed down for Beheading.

yes exactly why r these citizens there in the first place? if u were not there you would not be getting beheaded.

i remember the philipines specifically pulling out after thir citizen was kidnapped. of course they will site "conflict with policy" so they wouldn't look like one of those cowards your saying a general should be worried about looking like.

lets get the facts strait...i'm not a "poster" at destee.com i'm a soldier that posts at destee.com exactly how do u finish this, what is the goal?to bomb them out of existence? to take control of their government? over extension of military? leaving the forces at home thin? the TRUE goal of war is peace if there is not peace u hve not won.

DID U LOOK UP SOMaLIA ALSO? the u.s. pulled out of somalia . and their enemeys called them cowards , but like a REAL SUPERPOWER the u.s. kept marching. so why did they (u.s.) not bomb the somolians and finish them like u say a general should even in a small conflict?

in war there has to be an objective therefore this is Conflict not war. like i said in critical warfare negotiation is nearly impossible. but im sure if u look u will find several times where the u.s. and other large countries hve negotiated for the release of p.o.w.'s and hostages ect.

dnt even give me all of tht narrow margine , unpopular prez of spain .u sound like cbs or something. if it was a close race then the madrid bombings could hve been wht swung the vote<<which was the goal of the bombers. however im not spanish and i do not know the answer 2 tht.

ur mom's head would roll, even over a small conflict, just so u could look good huh. there is such thing as a bad move, in over your head , or change of direction. was carthage not defeated? alexander did not attack, why? tactical retreat like i said , hannibal never took rome either he retreated.

its no positive tht heads will be cut even if you did pull out. think about it briliant general if they(enemey) hve resorted to those tactics then they r desperate knowing yo will just drop more bombs, their goal is 4 u to pull out.

if i were a voter i would elect a good general not a poser worried about image.

You do not understand war.

You are discussing diplomacy. Diplomacy and War are two totally different things.

The somalia conflict was not retreat, that was simply the US leaving a country that had no resources. The US usually aborts countries that do not have any interests in times of battle. It is a sad fact but it is true.

Soldier or not. The US will not retreat from Iraq. They will withdraw, but they will not retreat.

By the way, the madrid bombings had nothing to do with the oppositions view of pulling out troops. They had decided that quite before the bombings.

You cannot be serving your country too hard anyway you, posting pretty frequent on destee, so that sounds like you are not in combant.

Or let me guess, you said that you wanted to retreat from war, so you retreated to destee.com

SOLDIER IN A FIGURATIVE SENSE I WOUL NEVER JOIN THIS MILITARY. NO THE U.S. WILL NOT LEAVE IRAQ WITH OUT SECURING THEIR PIPE LINES. TO BE REAL I CNT REALLY ARGUE , IT IS FACT THT THE OBJECTIVE OF WAR IS TO WIN I OVERSTAND THT, BUT IN THE END IF THERE IS NOT PEACE U HVE LOST.

NOT RETREAT FROM A WAR, I SAID SOMETIMES TACTICAL EVASION IS NECESSARY. IF THE DECISION IS MAID 4 WAR THEN THE JOB SHOULD BE FINISHED , HOWEVER IF A LEADER DECIDED TO END THE WAR IN EXCHANGE FOR HOSTAGES, TELL HOW THT LEADER HAS LOST. IF HE HAS THE STRONGEST ARMY, HIS ENEMEYS CAN LABEL HIM COWARD BUT LETS C THEM ATTACK. THEY WILL NOT ATTACK HEAD ON, THEY WILL USE TEcNIQUES LIKE BOMBING BUILDINGS, AND AIRPLANES, AND CITIZENS. WHICH THEY WILL DO WETHER OR NOT HE NEGOTIATES AND PULLS HIS ARMY OUT.

Brother Therious, this war in Iraq is against insurgents who will only negotiatie the death of the US and it citizens. They are not coming to the barganining table no time soon.

I feel your points but you must look at the fact, the Us is not fighting a nation it is fighting an insurgency. The enemy is not stupid enough to attack the US head on, that is why it tries to create civil chaos. So that the civility of the state can be in disarray. It is more tactful that way than going head up against a nation with the best military technology.

You have to apply tactical evasion in the proper context. This is not the US vs. a soverign nation, this is the US vs. a group of people who are determined to defeat them by any means nesscary. They are not coming to the diplomacy table no time soon.

That is why the nations of those beheaded stay in Iraq because they know that even if they pull out, these insurgents are still going to keep doing their thing. They are not going to stop after a nation pulls out why?

Because they feel like the US and it is allies will continue to do their dirt even if they stop their insurgent activities.

Neither side is going to let down, I think that is the point you are missing. Just because they say on a tape pull out your troops does not mean they stop kidnappings.

And a nation would like pretty lame pulling out of a war because of a group of Insurgents, not because of another nation and a diplomatic comprise.

Diplomatic comprise during war between two nations is another ball game, running scared because of kidnappings is not going to happen in your lifetime.

My point exactly Brotha Manasiac. I need to learn War from someone who knows it well. I would not expect you to know it perfectly, but your helping. Keep the knowledge coming!

Cedrioc Denson

i agree, i dnt xpect 2 c tht. the hostages them selves will tell the kidnappers tht the us will never negitiate. IF THEY PULLed out there would be no loss xcept 4 the casualties.

But Brother T, the thang is, is that the kiddnappings will continue regardless if anyone pulls out or not.

The Kidnappings will stop when the Westeren Hemipshere and it is purported since of a free society (democracy) Leaves the middle east.

Until then it is not going to stop anytime soon.

Notice I make a reference to the WEST and democracy, this is a war of Ideology not a real military engagement.

this is true, like i said why r these 'contractors" there anyway. basically will be in iraq forever they r building permanent bases, of course 2 guard tht oil. where did they find this "new iraqi government" anyway tht sht is sum bullsht

amen too that brother t.

Man I can't hate them contractors folk....they doing what we all do ...trying to make that scratch..would I go ? nah dog I'm attached to my melon and don't want to lose contact....the beheadings hey it's a part of doing business..just like moving cookies sometimes thangs happen, to your folk, to your horses to the raw in your jar waiting to be made lives are lost but it's a normal part of doing that business..these beheadings are just par for the course them folk been cutting off heads, arms, legs, fingers and thangs for years loads of years and our govt knew going in to them folk spot we would have some folk losing heads....they plan for so many civilian loses..collateral damage..in other words just one of them thangs...I don't agree with what they're doing but if I was running thangs over there and my folk started losing heads then some of their prisoners that they want back so bad would start losing heads...I'd televise them on the Arab stations kneeling down with the orange jumper on blindfolded and sit there and read my declaration "I give what I get and as long as I'm getting done dirty I will kill every one of yall I can get my hands on in the dirtiest way I can" then I'd break out the dull steak knife or bone saw and get to hacking....I'd have em out there bad dog doing three or four a day..have a squad catching folk just to get hacked up.....and everyday at 12 noon we'd start choppin .....like I said earlier when you make the decision to enter into conflict you get in completely and do whatever you have to in order to crush the enemy....and Manasiac is right this is about ideology them folk won't be happy until the West is out of the middle east ...War is a dirty job and if you ain't ready to get dirty then stay out of it....It's like a fight regardless of your reason for being there if you end up in a scrap you do what you have to in order to be the one walking away

Mississippi Red
Keep it dutty dog :playball:

wonder how many of those"contractors' were cia. i dnt believe the u.s.needs to behead them, they already hve them doing perverse sex acts (imagine the ish we hve not seen) there cluster bombs r enough. do u know a cluster bomb explodes , sending little pieces of metal through the air which shreds your flesh and bone like burger meat?


again if the u .s. left now there would be no negative result from tht. the iraqis r pretty much crushed xcept for the insurgences whom a lot of r foreign.however the insurgents r putting up a hard fight.

does anyone know the xact population of iraq or rough estimate. the u.s. is potentially a deadly situation. they r out numbered,i bet iraq could get up a militia of 1million citizens including insurgents, the u.s. even with their wR PLANES COULD NOT DEFEND AGAINST THT, ONLY HAVIN 100,000 TROOPS +.

Cluster bombs are nasty but thermobaric weapons are the worse...they come in bombs, mini rockets, and are purported to be available in a rifle round fired out of the x29...it's very useful in fighting in buildings and enclosed spaces...it explodes on impact and releases this mist that upon contact with oxygen ignites now this mist moves around corners under doors through crawl spaces and it burns whereever it goes and it burns slowly..after the fire starts to die down this same mist sucks all the oxygen out of the same enclosed spaces it just burned rendering them unlivable....but with all those none are as up close and personal as getting on tv and sawing off heads this would be a statement .." I can be just as dirty as you"....as for the sex acts...make me do some nasty stuff rather than cut off the old melon anyday...It's war dog...both sides are doing some real dirty stuff to each other thats just the way it is....and as far as if the Iraqi's would rise up against the soldiers there and the planes not being able to defend them...in that case it'd get real nasty...with not only planes and bombing runs laying massive waste the heli's are a vicious weapon the can come down right in your windows and lay it down..there are battleships that can launch missles into the some insurgents window if they would be allowed to ....I stil say that we should get on tv though with the choppings heads, arms, feet, legs...whatever man.....

Mississippi Red

the u.s.? or iraq?why more killing for wht, should the soldiers still remain in the war zone with out a clear cut plan? wht about depleated plutonium they(u.s.) used this against tanks leaves ppl w/radiation. good info on the thermo weapons, i learned something.

We all need to remind ourselves of one age old Truism: "War has no rules". Can you ever remember a time when you got in a fight with someone, and before it started you layed down the rulez? Of course not. The societies that seek to estabilsh rules are the ones that can set them and remain superior while complying to those rules. As Americans we tend to think of beheading as a more horrific kind of murder than our planes carpet bombing large areas killing hundreds of civilians. As gruesome as it is, a beheading is the murder of one. How many do you think dies when our bombs hit?

Ask yourself this: Why is it that during the invasion of Iraq, civilian casualities were NEVER reported, but now that we are having difficulty gaining dominion over Iraqi resistance, civilian casualties are reported daily. This is because of the public relations/propaganda war going on right now. Do you really think that all these powerful weapons we have never kill civilians?

God makes no distinction between different types of murder.

dEb0

We all need to remind ourselves of one age old Truism: "War has no rules". Can you ever remember a time when you got in a fight with someone, and before it started you layed down the rulez? Of course not. The societies that seek to estabilsh rules are the ones that can set them and remain superior while complying to those rules. As Americans we tend to think of beheading as a more horrific kind of murder than our planes carpet bombing large areas killing hundreds of civilians. As gruesome as it is, a beheading is the murder of one. How many do you think dies when our bombs hit?

Ask yourself this: Why is it that during the invasion of Iraq, civilian casualities were NEVER reported, but now that we are having difficulty gaining dominion over Iraqi resistance, civilian casualties are reported daily. This is because of the public relations/propaganda war going on right now. Do you really think that all these powerful weapons we have never kill civilians?

God makes no distinction between different types of murder.

dEb0

i agree our weapons of mass distruction r truly inhumane and demonic. as far as beheadings i dnt agree but i understand, when going against superior weapontry u must use any and all means necessary.

i will disagree on the point that "war has no rules'. afrikan historians will tell you tht before contact w/the pink(euro) man the dark red man's (afrikan) waring tribes had quite a different approach 2 war. taking of life was a last resort, tribes used things like face paint & war cries in an attempt to scare their enemey into submission. when europeans came to the muthaland they were shocked at how humane their warfare was. so demonic brutality, murder of children women and disabled ect. is not the norm 4 all cultures.

they dnt report civilian casualties because pink ppl r insane (at least the ones running these wars & the u.s./euro hell any wht operated country) they get off on destruction , but dnt want their enemeys look upon as human.
the object of wAR IS PEACE(TO WIN)..., BUT THESE COWARDS DNT WNT PEACE THEY WANT MONEY...OIL MONEY TO B XACT.

Therious no problem on the weapon info I get a kick out of stuff like that....I agree with debo though in war there are no rules....and all conflict in Africa before euro contact were not handled peacefully war is was and always has been a nasty affair you can even look at the Lakota where on one hand war was an occasion for many warriors to count coup however it was in the end still a very vicious thing..war is always dirty......regardless of whose involved..

Mississippi Red

war does hve rules, there r rules of engagement and such thing as war crime. i get wht ur saying though, im not saying when involved in warfare u shouldnt do everything it takes to win. i dnt mean war was handled peacefully in pre- euro -afrika,but they used murder as a last resort. they attempted to capture or frighten their enemy's into submission, if all else failed then killing was inevitable. wether or not tht goes 4 the entire continent i dnt know.

i hear there is a new weapon now called harp, supposedto be worse then the a bomb.

Ok now I see what you're saying...HARP...that's a new one on me...but then again who knows how much stuff they have that we haven't heard about....most folks have never heard of the x29..and the thermo weapons ...our govt has some real dirty dirty stuff

Mississippi Red

another hostage begging for the british army to pull its troops.should britain pull their troops at this point? would you? i cant ay any good will come from them staying..

will it take another beirut

These people who are taking hostages and beheading them are nothing but a bunch of cowards. They prey on the weak!!! The woman who they have now has been in Iraq for 30 years helping. What kind of message does this send to the world if these "COWARDS" are willing to "MURDER" someone who has only had their best intrest at heart. Yes I will concede that bad things happen in war but this is absolutly disgusting. Everyone involved with this should die the same horrible way!!!! This poor woman was doing nothing to hurt Iraq just helping and look how they repay her kindness. I cant even think of the propper word for this. I do know that there is a special place in HELL for these kinds of people. I dont think Alah condones this type of behavior in fact I believe it is against Muslim doctron to kill non-combatants or civilians in a time of war or Jihad or what ever you wish to call it.

This is just disgusting and appaling at the highest level. :maddd:

These people who are taking hostages and beheading them are nothing but a bunch of cowards. They prey on the weak!!! The woman who they have now has been in Iraq for 30 years helping. What kind of message does this send to the world if these "COWARDS" are willing to "MURDER" someone who has only had their best intrest at heart. Yes I will concede that bad things happen in war but this is absolutly disgusting. Everyone involved with this should die the same horrible way!!!! This poor woman was doing nothing to hurt Iraq just helping and look how they repay her kindness. I cant even think of the propper word for this. I do know that there is a special place in HELL for these kinds of people. I dont think Alah condones this type of behavior in fact I believe it is against Muslim doctron to kill non-combatants or civilians in a time of war or Jihad or what ever you wish to call it.

This is just disgusting and appaling at the highest level. :maddd:

Sister Indya ... are you equally disgusted and appalled with the United States and "coalition" soldiers that have gone over there and MURDERED innocent men, women, and children, who are obviously "weaker" than they are? Do you consider the U.S. government a COWARD? Should they too die in the same horrible way that they've killed others?

:heart:

Destee

Sister Indya ... are you equally disgusted and appalled with the United States and "coalition" soldiers that have gone over there and MURDERED innocent men, women, and children, who are obviously "weaker" than they are? Do you consider the U.S. government a COWARD? Should they too die in the same horrible way that they've killed others?

:heart:

Destee


Destee:

I wasnt aware that this thread was talking about that aspect of it, but to answer your question I do not agree with the war in Iraq at all. I also do not think that Sadam Hussien should have been left in power to have his sons routinely "RAPE,TORTURE, AND MURDER" innocent people there will always be evil people in this world, Unfortunatly our government doesnt listen to the will ot the people. The world will be a better place without Sadam but I personnaly dont feel it was worth the price that has been paid. So do I think that our soldiers who are following the orders that are given to them by their superiors should be punished "NO" Should those superiors be held accountable "YES"

If any of our troops does anything like the idiots in Abu Garhib prison then yes they should be held accountable as they are.

Back to the beheading this is an english woman who has been married to an Iraqi man for over 30 years and has done nothing but protest this war and sanctions against Iraq since 1991. Do you feel that this woman should be put to death in such a horrible manner for doing what these so called jihadist want!!!!! She has tried for years to make Iraq a strong independent country and this is the thanks she gets....... DISGUSTING

The world has many dictators...what makes Saddam more dangerous than any other...even more importantly if Saddam was the object, then why are we still in Iraq?

The world has many dictators...what makes Saddam more dangerous than any other...even more importantly if Saddam was the object, then why are we still in Iraq?


I'm sorry did I not make myself clear that "I AM NOT FOR THIS WAR".


I dont have the answer for why we are still there (Probably OIL) but I dont think we can just walk away and leave a bigger mess of "see who is the strongest and most brutal" and takes over. they may be worse than Sadam.

What makes Sadam so bad. Gee let me see the huge mass graves with thousands of people buried in them. The mass gassing of the northern Kurds, this killed about a hundred thousand. If we could despose of every evil dictator in the world I would be very happy!!!!

You do know that Sadam and his boys liked to feed people into a recycling metal grinder for fun or percieved slants. They liked to send them in feet first so they would yell while their bodies were being torn apart piece by piece. I'm sure the world would have been much better with him and his family still doing that.

How would you like to be married and have one of Sadams sons come to your reception and take the bride for a "wild night" of rape and beatings and if you objected you would be killed on sight. They continued to rape and muder girls as young as 12. personally I think the man and everyone like him can rot in hell

With one evil dictator gone that is one less in the world.......

Macias & Obiang Nguema killed or exiled 1/3 of the population of Equatorial Guinea yet he is still sitting on top of an oil empire (largely due to millions of dollars invested from the United States & France). The US doesn't mind dictators, as long as they obey!

is iraq worse with saddam gone?, he was evil (from what ive heard i did not witness with my own eyes) but he kept order.now there r women and children dying from suicide bombers and u.s. "shock & awE" BOmbs (well the u.s. has been bombing them for over a decade). i really cant fault these terrorists tactics,i too am appauled at their methods but drastic times u know?

........back 2 the topic............................................. ........................
but the q remains should britain pull their troops? would u if it were ur call? we have discussed this extensivley in this thread,but with these new developments how much is enough?

i know in certain war situations it would b foolish 2 give in to hostage takers but i dont believe this is one of those situations. will it take another beirut a mass killing in the green zone before these ppl (u.s. & britain) get the messsage? i know their oil is so precious to them, so probably.

p.s. is it me or does this war simply seem un "winable"<<<spelled right?

Macias & Obiang Nguema killed or exiled 1/3 of the population of Equatorial Guinea yet he is still sitting on top of an oil empire (largely due to millions of dollars invested from the United States & France). The US doesn't mind dictators, as long as they obey!


Pan:
I dont pretend to have all the answers. I personally have never heard of these two individuals. If they are as bad as you say than they too should not be in power. I understand what you are saying about our government. Like I said they (the govt) do not listen to the will of the people. I dont understand how I can condemn a person for plotting to MURDER an individual that has done nothing but help the country she is in and you seem to always find fault with what I say. Do you like to argue just for the fun of it. Can we not agree that these are terrible people that really need to be removed from this earth so people can live in some degree of safety......

Pan:
I dont pretend to have all the answers. I personally have never heard of these two individuals. If they are as bad as you say than they too should not be in power. I understand what you are saying about our government. Like I said they (the govt) do not listen to the will of the people. I dont understand how I can condemn a person for plotting to MURDER an individual that has done nothing but help the country she is in and you seem to always find fault with what I say. Do you like to argue just for the fun of it. Can we not agree that these are terrible people that really need to be removed from this earth so people can live in some degree of safety......

indya do u believe removing hussein was worth 1000+ u.s. lives and un-countable iraqi lives? whatabout gulf war combat iraqi tanks, is death and radiation worth one evil dude?it wasnt in s. afrika even when the s.african yts used anthrax on the afrikans

indya do u believe removing hussein was worth 1000+ u.s. lives and un-countable iraqi lives? whatabout gulf war combat iraqi tanks, is death and radiation worth one evil dude?it wasnt in s. afrika even when the s.african yts used anthrax on the afrikans


Therious:

Obviously you missed where I said and I quote
" I AM NOT FOR THIS WAR"

Can I not make it any clearer. Do I believe ultimatley that Iraq will be better off without Sadam. YES... Only time will tell, but compared to the number of people he and his family have killed we have so far only scratched the surface.

As for the depleted uranium. You should never use any type of radioactive material in war. Like I have said

I AM NOT FOR THIS WAR

Do you understand that.......

Why are we fighting in the first place? Is there more to gain than to lose? For those that say oil is not worth fighting for think of this: Gas prices are not the only thing affected. Everything that is made of plastic or synthetic material would be affected. Your utility bill would be affected. The automotive industry would be affected. If the automotive industry is affect that's about a third of the manufacturing industry is affected. If Saddam Hussien would have taken control of the oils in Kuwait(which supplied 25% of the world's oil at one time) and boosted prices to rebuild his economy there would have been devastating effects on our economy. Should we have gone to war then? Yes. Should we be at war now? Yes and No. Yes we should hunt down and eradicate the terrorist. No we shouldn't be in Iraq. But now that we are there we have to see this thing through. The whole world is watching. If we allow terrorist to use low tech albeit effective methods to steer our course in conflict than the enemy will have leverage. Once the enemy has leverage the fabric of OUR world will be in jeopardy. So my prayers go out to families of the non-combatents that we're brutally butchered. If I were a P.O.W. of a terrorist group, realizing my chance of survival is slim I would fight until I was killed. I would not beg for my life nor would I beg my country. I would make my peace and meet my maker. This is why the cowardly terrorist want capture a soldier. How can I say that? Because I was in the first conflict. I saw friends killed and planes flying overhead on fire. I was in Al Kobar when Saddam tried to attack with SCUD missles. I seen the Patriot missles shoot them out of the sky. My company flew missions directly into Bagdad, at one point I was a door gunner flying missions on the Iraqi Border. I knew what I would have done then and I know what I would do now.


Peace

Radical Faith

should we have gone to war in the first gulf war and this current war? my answer is no..

why should the u.s. b the only country allowed to flurish? isnt it true that kuwait was part of iraq to begin with before british colonialism? we r paying higher prises 4 gas any way despite a 10 yr + hegemonic effort against hussein. why dnt we use alternative sources of fuel, in europe they use diesel, there r electric/fuel hybrids...the answer is oil companies make a ton of money off using prehisoric fossilized fuel. i do not support this country in any of their efforts. rf ive never been in war, but do u feel good knowing u fought 4 u.s./white globalism?
thats not meant as an attack just a real q, like i said i cant relate to being in a battlefield but i know b.s. when i c it...and this and the first iraqi war are simple excuses to keep people who r not euro from rising...

do u believe it is just for soldiers& citizens on both sides to die by the thousands simply so rich ytees can keep their lock on fossile fuel? instead of investing in alt energy?

if eqitorial gniea in afrika stops playing ball should we attack them 2? how about mexico?

should we have gone to war in the first gulf war and this current war? my answer is no..

why should the u.s. b the only country allowed to flurish? isnt it true that kuwait was part of iraq to begin with before british colonialism? we r paying higher prises 4 gas any way despite a 10 yr + hegemonic effort against hussein. why dnt we use alternative sources of fuel, in europe they use diesel, there r electric/fuel hybrids...the answer is oil companies make a ton of money off using prehisoric fossilized fuel. i do not support this country in any of their efforts. rf ive never been in war, but do u feel good knowing u fought 4 u.s./white globalism?
thats not meant as an attack just a real q, like i said i cant relate to being in a battlefield but i know b.s. when i c it...and this and the first iraqi war are simple excuses to keep people who r not euro from rising...

do u believe it is just for soldiers& citizens on both sides to die by the thousands simply so rich ytees can keep their lock on fossile fuel? instead of investing in alt energy?

if eqitorial gniea in afrika stops playing ball should we attack them 2? how about mexico?


First and foremost let me say depending on the circumstances a person would have to be psychotic to lust for war. No soldier celebrates the possibility of going to war but it's a part of what you do. When the day comes you only pray that you are ready. As far as serving white globalism, the same white globalist sent me to Homestead FL in the relief effort from Hurricane Andrew. In that mission we handed out food and water, built shelters and tended the sick. We can't pick our missions we just do them or not. As far as letting other countries flourish, That would be fine if we could trust other countries to equally distribute their wealth to the people. I'm not saying our country is perfect by no means but in some of these countries a minute group of people have everything and the vast majority have nothing and these condition last for decades. Brother you say you've never been to war but have you been outside of the U.S.? You don't have to go far to see staggering examples of poverty. Just go to Haiti or parts of Central and South America. Also check you history on Saddam Hussien. We had a lot to do with creating that Monster I won't deny that but once the damage was done we were forced to correct a big mistake. Have you ever wondered way many European and Asia countries use bicycles as a mode of transports. Or way they make such ugly little compact cars? Because gas prices are so high. I'm talking $5.00-$7.00 per gallon some places are higher. Is that our fault too? If you want blame someone for using fossil fuels look no farther than your fellow countrymen. Everytime you see a brother ridin' Escalade or an Excusion or a Mustang thank them for buying into the more power/more speed trend. We must change our attitude about vehicles before we can except and alternative fuel source. Brother depending on how you look at it as the powers that be progress so do we all. Take for instance that computer you are using. If this technology were only avaliable to the wealthy than the creators of this technology would not gain the wealth and status that they have achieved nor would the country grow. So in other words it is highly profitable for the powers that be to market the middle class. Because the middle class is who keeps the money flowing. So brother I commend you for your stance and one day we will have perfect world but until then we are forced to choose sides.

Peace

Radical Faith