One of the great wonders of the world has been the fact that, in spite of the privations and persecutions the ancient Israelite people of Africa endured, they held steadfastly to their religion as set out in the pages of the Holy Bible, the volume of the Sacred Law; and furthermore, that this volume has become the basis of all law; in every land and clime into which it has permeated...

It is acknowledged to have the greatest influence for good of any book that has ever been written. It is considered the inspired message of God to the Israelites in the first instance, and later to all mankind. And in this Holy Book (the word “Bible” is derived from the Greek “biblios,” meaning “book”), more knowledge is at times concealed, than is revealed, to the ordinary reader...

It would be rank presumption on my part if I made an attempt to elucidate even a fraction of those wonders of the Holy Bible that are revealed to some and concealed from others. Such an account of these revelations may be better left in the hands of those whose profession or ministry gives them a more intimate cause to interpret its meaning in support of whatever religion they represent.

For me, it would be sufficient in the short space at my disposal if I am able to call attention to one single instance – but one of radiant importance – to prove that this wonderful Book not only has in its pages the evidence of Divine design in the Creator’s construction of things, but that it contains in itself a systematic plan and design that must carry with it incontrovertible proof that not only is the Bible inspired, but that it has within itself the proofs of its inspiration, so that all mankind might believe in its message...

It is this law of mysterious and wonderful design that is my privilege to draw your attention to. It is more exemplified in the Biblical happenings and history of the ancient Israelites of Africa than any other people. If these people were created for no other purpose than this, their sufferings and privations have not been in vain...

If I now proceed to demonstrate that the Divine design I have alluded to may be found even in the positions of the chapters and verses in the Bible, I shall be doing nothing more than adding another proof to the many; that this inspired Book is something so wonderful that it compels even the veriest of skeptics to believe in its Divine origin...

In those far-off ages when Moses collected and put together the records of God's dealings with the Israelites, the Bible was not divided into chapters and verses. Later still, David, in writing in the Psalms, could not (by any natural means) have surmised that when the Bible – some 2,000 years after his death – came to be divided into chapters, the 119th Psalm would become the longest chapter of the entire Book, especially as scarcely one-half of the Bible existed in his time...

This Psalm consists of 176 verses, every one of which directly or indirectly calls attention to the precepts laid down in the entire Book. The Psalm is, by some mysterious law of calculation, divided into 22 sections, the exact number of letters that compose the Hebrew alphabet. Each section is subdivided into 8 verses; each verse being an iambic tetrameter – namely, 16 syllables alternately short and long (I am speaking, of course, of the original Hebrew version)...

Still more extraordinary is the fact that every one of the 22 sections of this Psalm begins with a letter of the Hebrew alphabet. For example, the 8 verses of the 1st section begin with the 1st letter of the Hebrew alphabet: Aleph. The 8 verses of the 2nd section begin with the 2nd letter of the Hebrew alphabet: Beth. The 8 verses of the 3rd section begin with the 3rd letter of the alphabet: Gimel, etc. This extraordinary precision continues until all 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet are employed...

When this wonderful chapter thousands of years later came to be translated into other languages, it was found that no other language could fit in with this rule. Therefore, the Hebrew letters were set out simply as titles at the head of the 22 sections, as may be seen if anyone looks up the 119th Psalm...

In the millions and millions of books that have been printed, there is not one example in the world of such an acrostic having ever been made - or of such an attempt having been thought of - to call attention to the longest chapter of any work, especially when one considers that every verse of this chapter calls direct notice – in one form or another – to the good to be derived from following the precepts laid down in the Bible. Further, every verse alludes to – in some part of it – the Divine influence underlying the whole. For example:

The 1st verse contains the words “the law of the Lord”; the 2nd verse, “His testimonies”; the 3rd verse, “His ways”; the 4th verse, “Thy precepts”; the 5th verse, “Thy statutes”; the 6th verse, “Thy commandments”; the 7th verse, “Thy righteous judgments”; the 8th verse, again “Thy statutes,” and so on throughout the entire 22 sections of the Psalm...

The mystic number 12 appears in the special root words employed in each verse, which are: [1] "Statutes" [2] "Ordinances" [3] "Faithfulness" [4] "Surety [5] "Law" [6] "Name" [7] "Word" [8] "Precepts" [9] "Ways" [10] "Judgments" [11] "Testimonies" and [12] "Commandments." At least one of these 12 words is unerringly found in each of the 176 verses...

In the English version the two longest words employed are representative of the Bible, namely “thy commandments” and “thy testimonies.” In their uses in this Psalm they represent a strange coincidence with the 22 sections of the Psalm and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. For instance, the word “commandments” is employed either in the singular or in the plural exactly 22 times, while the word “testimonies” is used 22 times in the plural, and once in the singular – at the end of the first half of the Psalm, i.e., the end of the 88th verse, a number that is itself a multiple of 22!

To reiterate, the most extraordinary example of design in literature – written or printed – that has ever been known, is the Holy Bible. One cannot believe that such a thing could happen by chance; equally one cannot believe that some mortal, no matter how gifted, could have created a Psalm in the form of an acrostic unmatched in the literature or the world, past or present; still moreso, that this Psalm should be designed to be the longest chapter in a book not then completed...

It may not have been noticed before by the many people who have read the Bible from cover to cover that both the shortest and longest chapters of this wonderful Book are placed in close proximity to each other; the shortest being the 117th Psalm, and the longest being the 119th Psalm. And the one intermediary chapter between the shortest and the longest – the 118th Psalm – presents in itself such a number of remarkable coincidences that one is forced to the conclusion that these three Psalms were purposely planned to come together for a definite reason – that reason evidently being that the relation of such coincidences would sooner or later strike some searcher of truth as an illustration of Divine design, and, consequently, proof of the Divine inspiration that guided not only the writer(s) of the Psalms, but thousands of years later the translators of this Book into other languages...

The actual form and division of the Bible is the work of different minds, widely separated by time, by countries, and by training. There can therefore be no question of collusion in the carrying out of the evident design that underlies the construction this Sacred Book...

The 118th Psalm, occupying as it does the remarkable position of being between the shortest and longest chapters of the Bible, actually contains the middle or central verse of the entire Book. This, the middle verse of the Bible, is the 8th verse of the 118th Psalm. Its words are significant in their meaning; they are an epitome of the great truth taught all through the preceding chapters or those to follow:

“IT IS BETTER TO TRUST IN THE LORD THAN TO PUT CONFIDENCE IN MAN.”

Further, if one writes down in figures Psalm 118, verse 8, and puts these numbers side by side, they become 1188, which is the exact number of chapters in the Bible, besides the one that contains the remarkable verse quoted above, and, as aforementioned, is the middle verse of the entire Book...

Next to the 118th Psalm is the 117th, which stands out as the shortest chapter in the Bible. And not only is this a curious fact, but is doubly so by being at the same time the central chapter of the Book, i.e., having exactly as many chapters before it as after it...

The most accurate way of finding out if the 117th Psalm is the central chapter of the Bible is to refer to the table usually printed in the beginning of the King James Version. This table contains both the names of the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New Testament. By adding together the numbers of chapters given by the 66 books, we get the number 1189, which is the total number of chapters in the Bible. The middle one must therefore be the 595th chapter, as there cannot be anything else than 594 chapters before it, and 594 chapters following it...

The very number 595, which is the number of the 117th Psalm calculated as a chapter of the Bible, conveys in itself the idea of perfect symmetry (i.e., 595 can be read the same whether from left to right or right to left). It represents in itself the principle of perfect equilibrium, which consists of equal disposition of the parts on both sides of a center. This, the shortest chapter in the Bible – and the central one of the entire Book – consists of two sentences that are strikingly significant:

“OH PRAISE THE LORD ALL YE NATIONS; PRAISE HIM ALL YE PEOPLE. FOR HIS MERCIFUL KINDNESS IS GREAT TOWARDS US; AND THE TRUTH OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOREVER.”

One should not regard the extraordinary examples that I have set before you as isolated cases of mere coincidences, for when taken together – as they were evidently intended to be – they give the key to the construction of the Bible itself as a marvelous example of Divine inspiration. They tend to show that these three Psalms (117th, 118th and 119th) must have been written with a plan of forming these coincidences for some given purpose, and that the division and numeration of the entire Bible – so perfect in every way – was pre-arranged before even the greater part of it had been written by those who lived in later times...

Surely this could only have been done by that Supreme Intelligence who so-calculated and placed the millions of galaxies and stars revolving through space that they keep their appointed orbits through eternity to the smallest fraction of time...

In giving these examples of one of the many wonders of the Holy Bible, my hope is that I may have been permitted – in no matter how small a way – to stimulate interest in the Bible itself. And, in conclusion, to the many who have read it from cover to cover without noticing the mysterious examples it has been my privilege to call your attention to, I can only hope that my words may encourage you to study it more deeply, and find still greater truths for yourselves...

While to others I most humbly hope that the illustrations for which I have given you chapter and verse may be the “sign” for which you have been seeking, and in your newfound faith in the Divine Purpose underlying all things, you may realize that form, number and design are the expressions of that great Infinite Mind "who moves in a mysterious way, His wonders to perform..."

The 118th Psalm, occupying as it does the remarkable position of being between the shortest and longest chapters of the Bible, actually contains the middle or central verse of the entire Book. This is the 8th verse of the 118th Psalm. Its words are significant in their meaning; they are an epitome of the great truth taught all through the preceding chapters or those to follow:

“It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.”

The 118th Psalm, occupying as it does the remarkable position of being between the shortest and longest chapters of the Bible, actually contains the middle or central verse of the entire Book. This is the 8th verse of the 118th Psalm. Its words are significant in their meaning; they are an epitome of the great truth taught all through the preceding chapters or those to follow:

“It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.”Very good post Aqil.

Jer:17:5: Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Hope some will listen.

Thank you, Music Producer...

If I may, I would like to add to your thread. In reading the Old Testaments one can see signs of Divinity and never realize the scope of the underlying meaning. I would like to point out some of these signs of Divinity that I have seen. This may not contain all of the signs but these are the clear ones that stuck out to me.

The first one I saw comes from a description referred to as a plague.

Zech:14:12: And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

To me, this description describes exactly what occurs to the human body in a nuclear blast. For a description of this type of power to exist and be written 1000 years before man created anything of that magnitude is a sign of Divinity. No human alone could predict and describe the power of a nuclear bomb 1000 years before they existed. It would be equivalent to asking a person what type of main weapon will exist 1000 years from now and describe the effects of that weapon? This is imposable to determine, yet we see it done.

Another sign of Divinity is the description of a religion that did not exist at the time. A prediction so detailed that it even gives the name at witch the followers would referrer to the main entity of that religion. This is non other then Immanuel.

Isa:7:14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

We have here a prediction or at that time a look into the future that describes a religion before that religion that now exists today was even a concept. We also see another main them of this religion and that is, being born of a virgin. Although this concept was widely know at the time, it continues to not explain the clarity of the name. How could a man set down and write this in detail before it existed? This to me is a sign of Divinity.

I also found another prediction that would be imposable for a man to describe in such detail. This one can be found on this web site.
http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.asp?Cat2=256&ItemId=558
This one talks about the City of Tyrus.

There are many more predictions such as these like the ones in Deuteronomy as to how the people of Israel would be conquered and scattered. But these predictions aren’t clear to many because many have no Idea who the children of Israel are, so I want go into them. Many people walk around looking for signs of GOD and it is write in front of them. Unfortunately those clear signs are in a book most of us have been taught to reject.

I won't deal with Zechariah's visions in my response to your post. However, I will respond to the second part...

Another sign of Divinity is the description of a religion that did not exist at the time. A prediction so detailed that it even gives the name which the followers would refer to the main entity of that religion. This is none other then Immanuel.

Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

We have here a prediction or at that time a look into the future that describes a religion before that religion that exists today was even a concept. We also see another main them of this religion, and that is being born of a virgin. Although this concept was widely known at the time, it continues to not explain the clarity of the name. How could a man set down and write this in detail before it existed? This to me is a sign of Divinity."Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son..." (Isaiah 7:14) has been interpreted to mean Jesus Christ and his mother Mary, and has been echoed through Christendom for more than a thousand years. Although it is not my intention to enter into controversy on subjects of this kind, I will, however, pause a moment to expose the fallacious application of this passage.

Whether Isaiah was playing a trick on Ahaz, king of Judah (to whom this passage is spoken) is no business of mine; I mean only to show the misapplication of the passage, and that it has no more reference to Jesus Christ and his mother than it has to me and my mother. The story is simply this:

The king of Syria and the king of Israel (the Jews were split into two nations, Judah and Israel) made war jointly against Ahaz, king of Judah, and marched their armies toward Jerusalem, its capital. Ahaz and his people became alarmed, and the account in verse 2 says:

"And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind."

In this situation Isaiah addresses himself to Ahaz, and assures him in the name of the Lord that these two kings should not succeed against him; and to satisfy Ahaz if this should be the case, tells him to ask for a sign. Ahaz declined doing this, giving as a reason that he would not tempt the Lord upon which Isaiah, who is the speaker, says in verse 14:

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son..."

and the 16th verse says,

"For before this child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good; the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings."

Here then was the sign, and the time limited for the completion of the assurance or promise - namely, before this child should know to refuse the evil and choose the good.

Having committed himself thus far, it became necessary for Isaiah - in order to avoid the imputation of being a false prophet and the consequence thereof - to take measures to make this sign appear. It certainly was not a difficult thing to find a girl with child, or to make her so, and perhaps Isaiah knew of one beforehand. Be that as it may, he says in the next chapter, verse 2:

"And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record - Uriah the priest and Zechariah, the son of Jeberechiah - and I went unto the prophetess, and she conceived and bare a son."

Here then is the whole story of this child and this virgin; and it is upon the blatant perversion of this story that the writers of the book of Matthew - and the impudence and sordid interests of priests in later times - have founded a theory which they call the Gospel; and have applied this story to signify the person they call Jesus Christ...begotten, they say, by a ghost whom they call holy, on the body of a woman - engaged in marriage, and afterward married - whom they call a virgin, some 700 years after this foolish story was told; a theory that I choose not to believe.

In the 14th verse of the 7th chapter it is said that the child should be called "Immanuel," but this name was not given to either of the children, other than as a character which the word signifies. That of the prophetess was called "Maher-shalal-hash-baz," and that of Mary was called "Jesus." (The name "Immanuel" means, "God be with us.")

But to show the imposition and falsehood of the writings of Isaiah, we have only to read the sequel of this story, which, though it is passed over in silence in the book of Isaiah, is related in the 28th chapter of 2nd Chronicles, which is this: Instead of these two kings failing in their attempt against Ahaz, as Isaiah had pretended to foretell in the name of the Lord, they succeeded...Ahaz was defeated and destroyed, a hundred and twenty thousand of his people were slaughtered, Jerusalem was plundered, and two hundred thousand women, and sons and daughters, were carried into captivity...

I won't deal with Zechariah's visions in my response to your post. However, I will respond to the second part...

"Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son..." (Isaiah 7:14) has been interpreted to mean Jesus Christ and his mother Mary, and has been echoed through Christendom for more than a thousand years. Although it is not my intention to enter into controversy on subjects of this kind, I will, however, pause a moment to expose the fallacious application of this passage.

Whether Isaiah was playing a trick on Ahaz, king of Judah (to whom this passage is spoken) is no business of mine; I mean only to show the misapplication of the passage, and that it has no more reference to Jesus Christ and his mother than it has to me and my mother. The story is simply this:

The king of Syria and the king of Israel (the Jews were split into two nations, Judah and Israel) made war jointly against Ahaz, king of Judah, and marched their armies toward Jerusalem, its capital. Ahaz and his people became alarmed, and the account in verse 2 says:

"And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind."

In this situation Isaiah addresses himself to Ahaz, and assures him in the name of the Lord that these two kings should not succeed against him; and to satisfy Ahaz if this should be the case, tells him to ask for a sign. Ahaz declined doing this, giving as a reason that he would not tempt the Lord upon which Isaiah, who is the speaker, says in verse 14:

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son..."

and the 16th verse says,

"For before this child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good; the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings."

Here then was the sign, and the time limited for the completion of the assurance or promise - namely, before this child should know to refuse the evil and choose the good.

Having committed himself thus far, it became necessary for Isaiah - in order to avoid the imputation of being a false prophet and the consequence thereof - to take measures to make this sign appear. It certainly was not a difficult thing to find a girl with child, or to make her so, and perhaps Isaiah knew of one beforehand. Be that as it may, he says in the next chapter, verse 2:

"And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record - Uriah the priest and Zechariah, the son of Jeberechiah - and I went unto the prophetess, and she conceived and bare a son."

Here then is the whole story of this child and this virgin; and it is upon the blatant perversion of this story that the writers of the book of Matthew - and the impudence and sordid interests of priests in later times - have founded a theory which they call the Gospel; and have applied this story to signify the person they call Jesus Christ...begotten, they say, by a ghost whom they call holy, on the body of a woman - engaged in marriage, and afterward married - whom they call a virgin, some 700 years after this foolish story was told; a theory that I choose not to believe.

In the 14th verse of the 7th chapter it is said that the child should be called "Immanuel," but this name was not given to either of the children, other than as a character which the word signifies. That of the prophetess was called "Maher-shalal-hash-baz," and that of Mary was called "Jesus." (The name "Immanuel" means, "God be with us.")

But to show the imposition and falsehood of the writings of Isaiah, we have only to read the sequel of this story, which, though it is passed over in silence in the book of Isaiah, is related in the 28th chapter of 2nd Chronicles, which is this: Instead of these two kings failing in their attempt against Ahaz, as Isaiah had pretended to foretell in the name of the Lord, they succeeded...Ahaz was defeated and destroyed, a hundred and twenty thousand of his people were slaughtered, Jerusalem was plundered, and two hundred thousand women, and sons and daughters, were carried into captivity...I tried to dance around this subject due to the amount of rejection it receives, but I suspected someone with intellect would indeed dig it out.

No matter how we can explain the existence of something that was prophesied 1000 years ago the fact of the matter is it continues to exist rather it was plagiarized or not. I have often asked myself, does GOD predict the future or create it? Basically the question becomes, if the Immanuel prophecies did not exist in the Old Testaments would the New Testaments continue to exist as they do?

As a person with intellect and faith I answer this question as, no. The intellect comes into play as being able to see that the writers of the New Testaments plagiarized the Immanuel prophesies to make Jesus fit the character being described or make Jesus as harmonic as possible to the Old Testaments.

The faith comes into play as understanding that when that prophesy was being written and or transmitted by GOD, GOD understood and was aware that the vary writings themselves would be used or the foundation to create the vary entity that was being prophesied.

Thus we come back to an original question, does GOD create the future? The answer is yes. Thus it was GOD that created or invented the foundation of the New Testaments 1000 years before man conceived it.

Immanuel is a saying which can also be a name just as many names that existed in those days.
Prophesied…

Isa:7:14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isa:8:8: And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.


1000 years after and what the prophecy is about….

21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22: Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:


No matter how we can explain it, rather it be plagiarism or whatever, it continues to exist in the way it was told us 1000 years before. The New Testaments is the only religious book that utilizes or even makes reference to the name as referring to Jesus as that and it is also something servants of Jesus use constantly.

As for your reference of Isaiah and Chronicles, well, the LORD constantly tests your faith, as he said he would. What you have is two stories that tell two different points of views. One of those stories shows GOD as speaking and conversing. One does not. You make your own choice, but remember this YHVH will never ever lie to you.

Okay, Music Producer...we'll agree to disagree, and end the thread corruption. Disproving your opinions on this subject is not germane to the topic of my thread, which is: "The Divine Design of the Holy Bible."

Speaking on the Devine Design of the Holy Bible, Brother Aqil, did you ever read the book called Bible codes? I forget the authors name but he says that a Russian man discovered a code in the design of the text in the scriptures. He also says that it revealed predictions of the past, what is going on today and whats going to happen next, outside of the history that is all ready presented in the bible.

If you read this book, I was wondering what was your thoughts about that. Surly I believe that the Bible is a guide for us to follow. When you mentioned
In the English version the two longest words employed are representative of the Bible, namely “thy commandments” and “thy testimonies.” In their uses in this Psalm they represent a strange coincidence with the 22 sections of the Psalm and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. For instance, the word “commandments” is employed either in the singular or in the plural exactly 22 times, while the word “testimonies” is used 22 times in the plural, and once in the singular – at the end of the first half of the Psalm, i.e., the end of the 88th verse, a number that is itself a multiple of 22!

I was in complete awe! Although this knowledge is not hidden from me, I find it very difficult to spot these obvious things.

Well anyway, what you presented made me think about that book, The Bible codes and the hints that shows us that the designs of the bible is in fact Authentic. Although I feel like some of the information in the Bible have been altered to hide things from us. I don't doubt the codes that reveals the Devine Design that you have presented. But this author saying that there is more to the design that meets the eye, hmmmm, could be just a ploy to create fear and confusion. Not to mention the attempt to make money.

I'm curious to know what are your thoughts about this book called the Bible codes.

I am not familiar with the book, PurpleMoons. However, I found a link re: it that you will find interesting:

http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html

hmmmm! That is very interesting indeed! Thank you Brother Aqil! Its all so confusing to me because I am semi aware of the Secret Societies that are said to have secret documents stolen out of Jeruselem way back when.

It is possible that Dronin findings in the Hebrew Bible could be Authentic. Even in Revelations it speaks of those who have tampered with the Creators words. He promise them they will be dealt with. This lets me know that the Bible has been altered. He also said to beware of false prophet. These are deparate times and people are scrambling everywhere to find refuge in Gods words. So I can see where people would play on our lack of knowledge.

Look at the dead sea scrolls that was hidden from us. How many other truths are hidden or are being held from us. My point is, if one of these truths was discovered, would not they do everything to keep us from believing them so that they can continue to hold the upper hand over what we think, do, and believe?

Just some things I think about when I'm reflecting on my life.

Speaking on the Devine Design of the Holy Bible, Brother Aqil, did you ever read the book called Bible codes? I forget the authors name but he says that a Russian man discovered a code in the design of the text in the scriptures. He also says that it revealed predictions of the past, what is going on today and whats going to happen next, outside of the history that is all ready presented in the bible.

If you read this book, I was wondering what was your thoughts about that. Surly I believe that the Bible is a guide for us to follow. When you mentioned
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I was in complete awe! Although this knowledge is not hidden from me, I find it very difficult to spot these obvious things.

Well anyway, what you presented made me think about that book, The Bible codes and the hints that shows us that the designs of the bible is in fact Authentic. Although I feel like some of the information in the Bible have been altered to hide things from us. I don't doubt the codes that reveals the Devine Design that you have presented. But this author saying that there is more to the design that meets the eye, hmmmm, could be just a ploy to create fear and confusion. Not to mention the attempt to make money.

I'm curious to know what are your thoughts about this book called the Bible codes.Hi Purple Moon,

I have the book and I have read it. The author of the first one is Michael Drosmin, “The Bible Code”, ISBN 0684810794, but as you know there are now many books on the subject. Once I read most of the book I became interested in looking at the code, so I bought the Bible Codes software. This is from my page as I used the software.
http://home.insightbb.com/~tekhead2/code1.html

This is one of the searches I did in looking at things. If one is affluent in Hebrew they might be able to predict something through the Bible Code. But it would most likely take someone that was born and raised in the language, not just standard Hebrew but specifically biblical Hebrew.

In the Bible Codes software they have performed some searches for the user and show some examples. One of them is a search on Princes Dianna. The illustration was done on the name Lady Di. Within close proximity too here name it says, “You took my life” and on that same page in front of the saying it says, vertically, “photographer”. Does this prove a Divine design? I can’t really say but some of the things that appear are too close and detailed for one to just say it is a coincidence, like the death of Yitzhak Rabin in which the name of the assassin, city and date all appear in vary close proximity of the only place in the entire code in which Rabin’s name can be found, kind of spooky.

The only thing about the code is you have to know exactly what you are looking for, that’s why most things that people find in the code is usually relating to a past event. Because only then can one do searches on any details of that event.

And that’s mainly the argument of skeptics. It only appears this way because it is the user inserting the information that they are already aware of. The original Hebrew text has no vowels comas or brakes; it is just one continues string of vowel less letters. This is the same structure the Bible codes use. When you do a search the search results appear in the same format and in a crossword puzzle type of setup. With this and knowing the details of a previous event one could literally make things fit or find words that are related to the event or search word in the puzzle. I understand how this could be the case when discovering one word relations. But what peaks my curiosity is when one can find whole sentences in a strait line that has a relation to the search word or event. Finding a whole sentence to me is unbelievable odds. And may be the mark of a Divine design.

If your or anyone would like I could do searches for you but you will have to find someone that is affluent in Biblical Hebrew to know or find any relating words to the search.

That is very interesting Brother Music producer! I would like a search done for me if you really don't mind. Would you search for the statement, "12 DNA strands and the the lost tribe of Levi for me?"

I can't read the Hebrew text but perhapes some of our Brothers and Sisters here who can will be willing to interpret it for us.

It would be wonderful if we could come together to investigate this strange new phenonmenon or hoax together. Family of all religions, belief, disbelief, and searchers of truth. Then discuss whether or not it is an actually Devine Design.

What do you think Family? Is it worth the effort and team work to investigate?

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Sounds good to me!!!! We all should come together in

chat...www.destee.com/chat

Just give a time and date.....We all can meet for a class...everyone bring

their knowledge and wisdom to the table......

Peace
Angel

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Okay that's three of us so far! What do you say family? lets Break this down! Let's unleash the truth/lie!

I will be looking in here for now on to see if anyone else is ready to defend what they believe and why the believe it.

Come on Family! Lets get together! :love:

Hello Family ... while i believe that this would be a great thing, hearing Brothers and Sisters discuss this thing called Relgion / Spirituality, that has kept us so divided, caused us to forsake parents, siblings, and children ... this thing that is so great, and powerful, even though none of us were there to witness the words we live our lives by ... yes, i do believe it would be a great thing to have those Sisters and Brothers that frequent this forum, sharing their wisdom and knowledge, come together in voice chat and discuss / debate / share as much information as time allows ...

but i don't think it will happen ...

i think it's easy to post these words on a forum ... there's a certain comfort level when you get to pick the challenges you want to respond to ... or have the leisure of time and space to compose your thoughts, edit them, copy / paste from great religious texts, and read several times before presenting what will be counted as "your opinion" ...

voice chat requires a different kind of courage and confidence when it comes to standing up for what you believe.

to accept a challenge like Brother Keita has presented, would mean that folk would have to think on their feet ... respond in a relative short period of time ... since there is a 5 minute mic limit ... and get on the mic and let their actual voice be heard ... regarding the things that are posted in this forum ...

it's another whole level of interaction ...

removing one from their comfort zone of posting on the forums ...

while i think it is a wonderful idea ...

i don't believe too many will be joining Brother Keita

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Destee

Time for these lies to stop!What lies?

I have been sitting back for quite a while observing these religious threads in sheer awe...I and many others observe the threads and posts here also...and I and many others are in sheer awe of the information they contain...

...and I realize that the actual reason I'm addressing this is because I do sincerely understand how and why our people are remaining in darkness the way we are.And you should sincerely overstand that some of our people walk in light...

Those of us who are religious in terms of being Christians or Muslims or Judaistic followers have it within their minds and hearts to maintain and support whatever their system of belief may be...You say, "those of US who are religious in terms of being Christian, Muslim or Judaic..." Which one are you?

...even at the cost of ignoring historical truth to support their books and the lies that presently keeps us in this darkness.What is the source of your information? What "historical truth" have Christians, Muslims and Jews ignored?

There are names for these people...and just as Yeshua or Jesus addressed the so-called religious systems or authorities back in the day, the time has come for me to do so today.Are you equating yourself with Jesus?

Therefore as a historian, linguistic studier, former Christian, former Sunni Muslim, former Shiite Muslim, former Nation of Islam, former five percenter, former Israelite, former Buddhist, former Taoist and former Catholic...What are you now?

There's an empty classroom somewhere in chat where everyone can meet to clear the air historically and religiously concerning what is true and what isn't in any so-called religious book you may have or may not have read.You can also post a thread stating your beliefs - if you have any...

There is no divine design to the Bible, the Qu'ran or any other book.My thread says that there is...can you prove that there isn't? If you can, post it...

The many Prophets we take as having written any book or receiving so-called revelation concerning such never happened.What is the source of this fallacious information?

The majority are not even called by their original names. The concepts of heaven and hell and any commandments are all stolen. Even the so-called angels and their names are stolen.Can you tell us who stole what, when, where and why?

We can deal with lineage, history, linguistics, the age of concepts, the medu neter,the book of the dead, pre-Christian history and post Christian history, pre-Islamic history and post-Islamic history, pre-Israelite history and post-Israelite history, Masonry or whatever...it don't matter to me...what matters is that all this deception stops and the propagators of it put up or shut up.First of all, if you don't recognize truth, then what matters to you is quite insignificant. Secondly, the onus is on YOU to "put up or shut up"...:)

This can be a class, an open forum in class or a system whereby EVERYBODY BRINGS TO THE TABLE WHAT THEY HAVE AND WE CAN SORT THROUGH IT TO ARRIVE AT SOME SOLID CONCLUSION CONCERNING WHAT IS OR IS NOT TRUE.Start a class...show us what YOU bring to the table...

I THINK I'M BEING VERY FAIR AND OPEN ABOUT THIS AND I'M NOT GOING TO HIDE BEHIND ANY THREADS OR INFORMATION THAT I THINK THE MASSES DO OR DON'T HAVE...I'M SAYING BRING IT TO THE TABLE AND LET'S GET THIS ON!! THE PHAROAH HAS SPOKEN!!If you're going to call yourself a pharaoh, you should learn how to spell it...:)

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I may be greater than Jesus...for as he stated...."GREATER THINGS THAN HIM SHALL I DO"These words are from John 14:12. “My time is up,” Jesus said. “I am going to the Father. If you believe in me, you will do the same things I do. You will do even greater things than I do.”

Re: ‘the same things’...Jesus was remembered as the Great Healer. He healed a blind man along the road; a lame man in a bathhouse; lepers on the outskirts of a village; and the woman at the well. At other times they came to him...sick people, people thirsting for spiritual food...Can you do the same things he did? Heal people? Is this what you mean when you say you may be greater than Jesus? If not, just what do you mean?

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How did you heal yourself?

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Lets come together in

chat...www.destee.com/chat

We all can meet for a class...everyone bring

their knowledge and wisdom to the table......

and lets talk well what yall think?...QQ

Peace
Angel

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I would love to have a class but I think it would be futile as a group because no one is here to learn. In all of the posts that I have seen, everybody has a religion but no one has a foundation of religion.

I follow the Old Testaments because it describes who I am, how I became to be in America, why I am a descendant of slaves, why dark skinned people lag behind in every aspect of this social structure but can dominate when desired, why we struggle with each and why we are wonders in the fields of religion. Being able to explain all of that is called a foundational reason. From many of the posts that I have seen most people don’t care to have a religion of foundational fact as long as they can be in the crowd or populist. From what I have seen religion to African Americans is like fads or what’s popular. You get one rapper or singer to pull their paints have way down and call it a style and before you know it every African American child and many grownups are doing the same thing. I thank we haven’t gotten serious enough about religion to hold a meaningful class as a group.

But me personally, I would love for you to challenge my beliefs. But understand that in my belief, the GOD of the Old Testaments is my foundation, with that let’s set a time and date to voice chat.

Maybe class is the wrong term to use….

Discussion of the religious beliefs within the destee.com community

Not to inflict your beliefs on each other

but talk of your beliefs in a respectful manner

A "religious beliefs round table"…..

I think this would be a wonderful thing to have each bring their belief and

why they believe what they do.....well who else is willing to join Brother Keita

Brother Music Producer at www.destee.com/chat

where yall bez at?...QQ

Peace
Angel

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Back to the topic of my thread:

In those far-off ages when Moses collected and put together the records of God's dealings with the Israelites, the Bible was not divided into chapters and verses. Later still, David, in writing in the Psalms, could not (by any natural means) have surmised that when the Bible – some 2,000 years after his death – came to be divided into chapters, the 119th Psalm would become the longest chapter of the entire Book, especially as scarcely one-half of the Bible existed in his time...

This Psalm consists of 176 verses, every one of which directly or indirectly calls attention to the precepts laid down in the entire Book. The Psalm is, by some mysterious law of calculation, divided into 22 sections, the exact number of letters that compose the Hebrew alphabet. Each section is subdivided into 8 verses; each verse being an iambic tetrameter – namely, 16 syllables alternately short and long (I am speaking, of course, of the original Hebrew version)...

Still more extraordinary is the fact that every one of the 22 sections of this Psalm begins with a letter of the Hebrew alphabet. For example, the 8 verses of the 1st section begin with the 1st letter of the Hebrew alphabet: Aleph. The 8 verses of the 2nd section begin with the 2nd letter of the Hebrew alphabet: Beth. The 8 verses of the 3rd section begin with the 3rd letter of the alphabet: Gimel, etc. This extraordinary precision continues until all 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet are employed...

When this wonderful chapter thousands of years later came to be translated into other languages, it was found that no other language could fit in with this rule. Therefore, the Hebrew letters were set out simply as titles at the head of the 22 sections, as may be seen if anyone looks up the 119th Psalm...

In the millions and millions of books that have been printed, there is not one example in the world of such an acrostic having ever been made - or of such an attempt having been thought of - to call attention to the longest chapter of any work, especially when one considers that every verse of this chapter calls direct notice – in one form or another – to the good to be derived from following the precepts laid down in the Bible. Further, every verse alludes to – in some part of it – the Divine influence underlying the whole. For example:

The 1st verse contains the words “the law of the Lord”; the 2nd verse, “His testimonies”; the 3rd verse, “His ways”; the 4th verse, “Thy precepts”; the 5th verse, “Thy statutes”; the 6th verse, “Thy commandments”; the 7th verse, “Thy righteous judgments”; the 8th verse, again “Thy statutes,” and so on throughout the entire 22 sections of the Psalm...

The mystic number 12 appears in the special root words employed in each verse, which are: [1] "Statutes" [2] "Ordinances" [3] "Faithfulness" [4] "Surety [5] "Law" [6] "Name" [7] "Word" [8] "Precepts" [9] "Ways" [10] "Judgments" [11] "Testimonies" and [12] "Commandments." At least one of these 12 words is unerringly found in each of the 176 verses...

In the English version the two longest words employed are representative of the Bible, namely “thy commandments” and “thy testimonies.” In their uses in this Psalm they represent a strange coincidence with the 22 sections of the Psalm and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. For instance, the word “commandments” is employed either in the singular or in the plural exactly 22 times, while the word “testimonies” is used 22 times in the plural, and once in the singular – at the end of the first half of the Psalm, i.e., the end of the 88th verse, a number that is itself a multiple of 22!

To reiterate, the most extraordinary example of design in literature – written or printed – that has ever been known, is the Holy Bible. One cannot believe that such a thing could happen by chance; equally one cannot believe that some mortal, no matter how gifted, could have created a Psalm in the form of an acrostic unmatched in the literature or the world, past or present; still moreso, that this Psalm should be designed to be the longest chapter in a book not then completed...

It may not have been noticed before by the many people who have read the Bible from cover to cover that both the shortest and longest chapters of this wonderful Book are placed in close proximity to each other; the shortest being the 117th Psalm, and the longest being the 119th Psalm. And the one intermediary chapter between the shortest and the longest – the 118th Psalm – presents in itself such a number of remarkable coincidences that one is forced to the conclusion that these three Psalms were purposely planned to come together for a definite reason – that reason evidently being that the relation of such coincidences would sooner or later strike some searcher of truth as an illustration of Divine design, and, consequently, proof of the Divine inspiration that guided not only the writer(s) of the Psalms, but thousands of years later the translators of this Book into other languages...

The actual form and division of the Bible is the work of different minds, widely separated by time, by countries, and by training. There can therefore be no question of collusion in the carrying out of the evident design that underlies the construction this Sacred Book...

The 118th Psalm, occupying as it does the remarkable position of being between the shortest and longest chapters of the Bible, actually contains the middle or central verse of the entire Book. This, the middle verse of the Bible, is the 8th verse of the 118th Psalm. Its words are significant in their meaning; they are an epitome of the great truth taught all through the preceding chapters or those to follow:

“IT IS BETTER TO TRUST IN THE LORD THAN TO PUT CONFIDENCE IN MAN.”

Further, if one writes down in figures Psalm 118, verse 8, and puts these numbers side by side, they become 1188, which is the exact number of chapters in the Bible, besides the one that contains the remarkable verse quoted above, and, as aforementioned, is the middle verse of the entire Book...

Next to the 118th Psalm is the 117th, which stands out as the shortest chapter in the Bible. And not only is this a curious fact, but is doubly so by being at the same time the central chapter of the Book, i.e., having exactly as many chapters before it as after it...

The most accurate way of finding out if the 117th Psalm is the central chapter of the Bible is to refer to the table usually printed in the beginning of the King James Version. This table contains both the names of the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New Testament. By adding together the numbers of chapters given by the 66 books, we get the number 1189, which is the total number of chapters in the Bible. The middle one must therefore be the 595th chapter, as there cannot be anything else than 594 chapters before it, and 594 chapters following it...

The very number 595, which is the number of the 117th Psalm calculated as a chapter of the Bible, conveys in itself the idea of perfect symmetry (i.e., 595 can be read the same whether from left to right or right to left). It represents in itself the principle of perfect equilibrium, which consists of equal disposition of the parts on both sides of a center. This, the shortest chapter in the Bible – and the central one of the entire Book – consists of two sentences that are strikingly significant:

“OH PRAISE THE LORD ALL YE NATIONS; PRAISE HIM ALL YE PEOPLE. FOR HIS MERCIFUL KINDNESS IS GREAT TOWARDS US; AND THE TRUTH OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOREVER.”

Wait a minute here....a round table will not work. Everyone on and off this site knows WHY they believe what they believe. The question is not WHY...the question is, is it accurate based upon theological, historical and cultural realities verified by what we can and can not examine.

Let me give an example of what I'm saying.

According to many beliefs, God gave Moses some commandments on a mountain to give to the children of Israel. THAT IS A BELIEF. NOW, OUTSIDE OF THE BIBLE, CAN THAT BE PROVEN ? CAN IT BE PROVEN THAT THERE EVER WAS A BONDAGE FOR MOSES TO FREE SOMEONE FROM ?...AND SINCE GOD SUPPOSEDLY DID THIS FOR MOSES, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE HISTORICALLY OR THEOLOGICALLY TO SAY OTHERWISE ?

THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...THE SEPARATING OF FACT FROM FICTION...since fiction has been playing us out so badly.

furthermore, understanding that as African people, we have been under attack for over three thousand years...nobody escapes this, not one arab, one african, one hebrew, or anyone else...let the cards fall where they may, cause this will not be about any spookism or angels that appear and disappear, no God in a burning bush, no ride on baruch to heaven or anything else. This will be facts, facts, facts,...because many will be shocked to know that so much PHYSICAL EVIDENCE EXIST THAT SAYS DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE BY CHOICE OR FORCE !

BUT WHATEVER THE TABLE...ROUND, SQUARE, ON THE FLOOR...COUNT ME IN...AND PLEASE START GETTING YOUR PARTICIPANT LIST TOGETHER...THANK YOU.The Old Testaments are written in the same manner as any Egyptian story but to understand this and how it is done you have to study Egyptology to a point and re-familiarize yourself with how our ancestors recorded history. We wrote stories of fictional characters based on fact. The fictional part is Moses received the LAW from GOD. The fact is Hammurabi passed the LAW down from generation to generation from our first and great civilization. The Old Testaments is in a format in which we use to teach history, by amplifying the reality. You can read many great stories of how Akhenaten could shoot a bow and arrow through 50 men on the battle field but in reality he was tall, possibly deformed from inbreeding and liked to write and study, which is a big difference from the warrior type in stories about him, but as king or pharaoh of many people, the warrior image fit better then being a poet, philosopher or man of wisdom, these are the traits that were reserved for the character Moses and the Bible also borrows battles from the Tutmoses Dynasty and how it came about.

I personally understand the method in which the Old Testaments were written but when one goes into detail and try to explain this to people with a quivering faith they began to believe GOD is a lie because events in the Old Testaments can be tied to actual events in history and they are not recorded the same, so I have found it is best to teach faith first and leave the advanced studies of the Old Testaments to those of intellect and strong faith. Because in reality it proves even more that GOD exists. Look at it like this; if the Bible was not recorded in the method it is, do you think it would continue to exist? The answer is, no, because once you remove GOD then the people that conquered us would have destroyed the historical information all together. The presence of GOD is the only thing that has protected this historical document from destruction. But as man loses more and more fear and respect of GOD, you can already see how they are beginning to rewrite the Old Testaments to say what they want it to say and put it in a format that is less hostile to other gods or their god and religion. As an African American I realize, even in its corrupted form, that the Old Testaments is one of the greatest works ever put fourth by our ancestors and is the link between rediscovering our hidden, stolen and covered-up history. The Negro was the first human being that walked this earth.

Isaiah : 44:
6: Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7: And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8: Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

It is us, the Negro, that is the ancient people, we are the first and the LORD has appointed us. And with us that accept this appointment HE shall be Glorified.

Re: the divine design of the Bible...

Psalms 117 is the shortest chapter in the Bible, and also the middle chapter of the entire Book. It consists of two sentences that are strikingly significant:

“OH PRAISE THE LORD ALL YE NATIONS; PRAISE HIM ALL YE PEOPLE. FOR HIS MERCIFUL KINDNESS IS GREAT TOWARDS US; AND THE TRUTH OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOREVER.”

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Okay that's three of us so far! What do you say family? lets Break this down! Let's unleash the truth/lie!

I will be looking in here for now on to see if anyone else is ready to defend what they believe and why the believe it.

Come on Family! Lets get together! :love:Im more than ready to defend what I believe, perhaps we could make a room on Pal Talk. :teach:

There is no DIVINE DESIGN ANYWHERE... THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THIS WAS ALL PUT TOGETHER BY MASONS AND THOSE WHO STUDIED THE MATH SYSTEM OF OUR ANCESTORS.

THIS IS UNDENIABLE AND IS SUPPORTED BY HISTORY AND THOSE WHO COMPILED IT THE WAY IT IS. I MEAN EVEN WILLIAM SHAKSPERE WHOSE SIGNATURE CAN BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE IS AN INTERESTING CHARACTER...BECAUSE SERIOUS RESEARCH WILL REVEAL THAT WILLIAM SHAKSPERE WASN'T EVEN HIS REAL NAME !!!!

WE GONE OPEN THIS UP REAL LIVE !!! OH, AND FOR THOSE SERIOUS ABOUT A CHAT ROOM? ALL I CAN SAY IS "BRING THE DRAMA"

So true........WIlliam Shakespear's real name was William Tyndale and had already compiled his own BY-BILL years before. In my poem Biblical Excercise I showed in Psalms where he signed his name directly in the middle of the BY-BILL.........but I was called a liar by J'hiah who obviously responded out of the painful truth after seeing for himself...(I forgive u J'hiah as it was also painful to me when i first saw it years ago)

Only thing divine is the Divine Lies and deceit used to keep our minds trapped and keep us from knowing the true and living!

"No need to defend what u believe if u truly believe it"

Power and Equality

William Shakespear's real name was William Tyndale...William Shakespeare (1564-1611) and William Tyndale (1494-1536) are two different individuals.

I showed in Psalms where he signed his name directly in the middle of the Bible...First of all let me say that the Authorized Version of the King James Bible appeared very late in Shakespeare's life. He was already 46-years-old when the Authorized Version was first published in 1611. Since he only lived five years after 1611, it cannot be that he consciously imbibed the style of the Authorized Version.

Interestingly enough, it now appears that some of Shakespeare's writing style may have influenced the King James translation of the Psalms. Shakespeare was recognized as an outstanding poet and dramatist in his own lifetime. A few years ago the BBC aired a fascinating story that may confirm a Shakespearean contribution to the Bible. (To show their appreciation for the Bard's alleged contribution to the English style of the AV, some of the translators (and/or editors) built in a little linguistic honorarium for England's greatest poet.)

If you turn to Psalm 46 in the KJV and count down 46 words, you will find that the 46th word is "shake":

"God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled; Though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof."

Now, count up from the end of the Psalm and you will see that the 46th word is "spear." Doubtless the word that could be so rendered had to be roughly in that general vicinity to make it work out. The Hebrew word for "shake" (ra'ash) could have been rendered variously.

Now consider this: This is the 46th Psalm; Shakespeare was 46 when the Authorized Version was first published. The word "shake" is 46 words down from the start of the Psalm, and the word "spear" is 46 words up from the bottom...four forty-sixes!!. The probability of that happening by chance is extremely slight...

Thus the Shakespearean contribution to the KJV of the Bible...

Truth exists, only falsehood has to be invented...

Truth exists, only falsehood has to be invented...

are you trying too defend King James brother?

Not sure why you would bring this back up almost a year later, when I KNOW YOU HAVE SEEN THIS THREAD BEFORE...........I'll holla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"we are what was, the mind is infinite"

Truth exists, only falsehood has to be invented... are you trying too defend King James brother?Oh no!...I was referring to your claim that William Shakespeare's real name was William Tyndale...

Not sure why you would bring this back up almost a year later, when I KNOW YOU HAVE SEEN THIS THREAD BEFORE...I am the author of this thread...

"we are what was, the mind is infinite"Albert Einstein said: “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”

And Shakespeare said: “Time's glory is to unmask falsehood and bring truth to light.”

Returning to the topic of my thread:

The most profound acrostic in the history of literature can be found in the book of Psalms in the Old Testament. Each of the 176 verses of the 119th Psalm – the longest chapter in the Bible – contains at least one of the following 12 root words: (1) “statutes” (2) “ordinances” (3) “faithfulness” (4) “surety” (5) “law” (6) “name” (7) “word” (8) “precepts” (9) “ways” (10) “judgments” (11) “testimonies” and (12) “commandments.”

Of these, the two longest words employed are representative of the Bible, namely, “commandments” and “testimonies.” In their uses in this Psalm they represent a strange coincidence relative to the 22 chapters in the Psalm and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. The word “commandments” is employed either in the plural or singular exactly 22 times! The word “testimonies” is used 22 times in the plural and once in the singular - at the end of the 88th verse, which is the end of the first half of the Psalm and a number that is itself a multiple of 22!

]I never quite understood your defence of the Bible being that you are supposed to be a muslim, but I really do understand it. For as I stated in my new book... "if one falls, the other falls with it". The so called Jew, the arab and the white man, all were and are the oppressors and former slave masters of African people. (The Arabs still are).

All of them are brothers, for none will forget that Abraham was white, so that must be defended...but more than that, " THE AWAKENING OF THE BLACK MAN (AFRICAN) AND THE EXPOSURE OF THE DOMINATING BOOKS WHICH WE FOLLOW AND ADHERE TO DUE TO BE ENSLAVED BY THE ABOVE THREE GROUPS AND THEIR RELIGIONS, MEANS THE DEMISE OF THOSE SAME GROUPS AND THEIR HOLD ON OUR MINDS AND SPIRITS AS A PEOPLE.

THE RISE OF ONE MEANS THE FALL OF THE OTHER, PURE AND SIMPLE !!!...AND COMMON SENSE SAYS THAT THE ONLY WAY TO RETARD OR PREVENT OUR RISE IS TO DEFEND, UPHOLD AND REINFORCE WHAT WAS PUT IN PLACE TO CONTROL AND SUBJUGATE OUR MINDS[/SIZE].

In those far-off ages when Moses collected and put together the records of God's dealings with the Israelites, the Bible was not divided into chapters and verses. Later still, David, in writing in the Psalms, could not (by any natural means) have surmised that when the Bible – some 2,000 years after his death – came to be divided into chapters, the 119th Psalm would become the longest chapter of the entire Book, especially as scarcely one-half of the Bible existed in his time.

This Psalm consists of 176 verses, every one of which directly or indirectly calls attention to the precepts laid down in the entire Book. The Psalm is, by some mysterious law of calculation, divided into 22 sections, the exact number of letters that compose the Hebrew alphabet. Still more extraordinary is the fact that every one of the 22 sections of this Psalm begins with a letter of the Hebrew alphabet. For example, the 8 verses of the 1st section begin with the 1st letter of the Hebrew alphabet: Aleph. The 8 verses of the 2nd section begin with the 2nd letter of the Hebrew alphabet: Beth. The 8 verses of the 3rd section begin with the 3rd letter of the alphabet: Gimel, etc. This extraordinary precision continues until all 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet are employed.

When this wonderful chapter thousands of years later came to be translated into other languages, it was found that no other language could fit in with this rule. Therefore, the Hebrew letters were set out simply as titles at the head of the 22 sections, as may be seen if anyone looks up the 119th Psalm...

The Holy Qur'an is also a book of mathematical codes, as the mystical number 19 is prominent throughout the book. You can read an extensive, in-depth analysis of this here:

http://www.submission.org/beyond.html

The Holy Qur'an is also a book of mathematical codes, as the mystical number 19 is prominent throughout the book. You can read an extensive, in-depth analysis of this here:

http://www.submission.org/beyond.html

This is the one fact that deserves its own thread, far moreso than the alleged mathematics of the Bible.

Hopefully you wouldn't mind starting one, Brother. :huh:

SALAAM

This is the one fact that deserves its own thread, far moreso than the alleged mathematics of the Bible.

Hopefully you wouldn't mind starting one, Brother. :huh:

SALAAMI hope so. It would explain the 19 in my name :)

I hope so. It would explain the 19 in my name :)

In mine as well. :fyi:

My name is a Sufi name:

SHAHIYM ALIM MUHAMMAD

It contains 19 letters, and my "power" attribute "ALIM" is the 19th Attribute of ALLAH's 99+1 names. It means "to know" or "knowledge".

SALAAM

Salaam Samarai and uplift, and shukran for your gracious invitation. My own research re: the Divine Design of the Holy Qur'an is ongoing. However, and for starters, I refer you to Dr. Rashad Khalifa's book, Qur'an, The Final Testament. His study of the Qur'an with the computer resulted in the discovery of one of the greatest miracles of the holy book, as Allah (swt) described it in sura 74:35. Dr. Khalifa says that this miracle is based on the number 19, mentioned in sura 74. He lists a set of 19 facts that confirm the Qur'an's mathematical coding:

The first verse (1:1), known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters ("Bismilah, ir Rahman, ir Rahim") and occurs 114 times, which is 19 x 6.

The total number of verses in the Qur'an is 6346, which is 19 x 334.

The Qur'an consists of 114 suras, which is 19 x 6.

The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of 19 words. This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters, which is 19 x 4.

Sura 96, the first in the chronological sequence, consists of 19 verses. This first chronological sura is placed atop the last 19 suras. It consists of 304 Arabic letters, and 304 = 19 x 16.

The last revelation (sura 110) consists of 19 words.

The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of 19 letters.

14 different Arabic letters form 14 different sets of Qur'anic Initials and prefix 29 suras.These numbers add up to 14+14+29 = 57, which is 19 x 3.

The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Qur'anic Initials occur is 2+3+7+...50+68 = 822, and 822+14 (14 sets of Initials)=836, which is 19 x 44.

Between the first initialed sura (2) and the last initialed sura (68), there are 38 un-initialed suras, which is 19 x 2.

Between the first and last initialed suras there are 19 sets of alternating Initialed and un-initialed suras

The Qur'an mentions 30 different numbers, which are: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, and 100,000. The sum of these numbers is 162,146, which is 19 x 6534.

The momentous discovery that the number 19 is the common denominator of the mathematical miracle of the Qur'an became a reality in January, 1974. This was coinciding with Zul-Hijjah 1393 AH. The Qur'an was revealed in 13 BH (Before Hijrah). This makes the number of years from the revelation of the Qur'an to the discovery of its miracle (1974) 1406 years (1393+13). It was more than interesting to notice that 1406 = 19 x 74. The only time the number 19 was mentioned in the Qur'an is in sura 74. The correlation between 19 x 74 lunar years and 1974 solar years could not escape notice, especially with the number 19 mentioned only in sura 74...

Ma Salaam.