In the three major religions of the world - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - Satan is depicted as the prince of evil spirits and adversary of God. The word is the English transliteration of the Hebrew word “adversary” (or "accuser") in the Old Testament. With the definite article, the Hebrew word denotes “the adversary” par excellence, mainly in the Book of Job, where the adversary comes to the Heavenly court with the “sons of God.” His task is to roam.

The word “satan” also has shared etymology with the word “santa,” which is Dutch in origin, and translates, “saint.” Both words use the same letters. The common source of the word “satan” is “Saturn,” first given to the Greek god Chronos, then later to the planet. Obviously this ancient and misunderstood Saturn harbors a devout nature for which he is seldom given credit. Instead, Saturn remains better known for his more malefic contributions to mankind, and eventually became “The Grim Reaper” and “the Devil,” which, in Christian dogma, is the personification of evil...

“Adversary,” the word that describes Satan, is derived from the word “adverse,” which basically means, “opposed.” As the cosmic science of astrology is the synthesizer of all knowledge, here is the cosmic origin of the word “adversary,” and thusly Satan:

The Sun, which is the Giver of All Life, is exalted (meaning its influences are most powerful) in Aries, the first sign of the zodiac and the first fire sign. Libra is Aries’ complimentary and opposite sign, and the planet Saturn (from which the word “satan” is derived) is exalted in Libra. As a result of this opposition, which is an adverse aspect, Saturn (or Satan) becomes the Sun's adversary. And as the Sun represents God, Saturn, or Satan, becomes God’s adversary…

In light of this truth, all of man’s perceived and concocted stories and images of Satan – i.e., red with horns and tail – become cartoons and fairy tales…

Also explain about Santa Claws and Christmas. The original wording for Santa Claws was Satan’s Claw.

The correct spelling of the word is "claus." The American version of the Santa Claus figure received its inspiration and its name from the Dutch legend of Sinter Klaas, brought by settlers to New York in the 17th century...

Figured you would go for the watered down American version.

http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/santa.html

Re: the word "devil":

In the three major religions the Devil is depicted as the spirit or power of evil. Though sometimes used to refer to demons, the term more often designates the prince of evil spirits. In the Bible the Devil is known as "Satan" and "Beelzebub." In Judaism, Satan emerges as subservient to God and as an adversary and accuser of Job and other humans. In postbiblical traditions he emerges as the tempter of humankind and is responsible for all the sins in the Bible. Christian theology holds that his main task is to tempt humans to reject the way of life and redemption in favor of sin and death. In the Qur'an (Muslim Holy Book) the Devil is frequently associated with Iblis; he tempts the unfaithful but not the true believer. In Hinduism there is no principal devil, although there are a variety of demons or devilish beings. Buddhists also recognize the existence of many demons, and "Mara," the Buddha's opponent and tempter, is sometimes identified as a specific devil...

Re: the word "Lucifer":

The planet Venus was called “Vesper” by the early astrologers, meaning “evening” in Latin. Thus Venus was called "Vesper" when an evening star, shining brilliantly in the Heavens during and after sunset. When Venus is the morning star, rising brilliantly before sunrise, it was called “Lucifer,” which is Latin for “light-bearing.”

Rv:22:16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

John writes in Revelations 22:16 that he was told by an angel that Jesus is "the bright and morning star," which describes the beautiful planet Venus as it rises brilliantly in the Heavens before sunrise. It was called “Lucifer,” which is Latin for “light-bearing" or "bringer of light.” The New Testament was translated from the Greek language to English, and the priests and religionists of ancient Greece called Jesus "Lucifer." Interpreted thusly, the verse means that Jesus is the bringer of light, or knowledge...

So, then, how exactly did we get from calling Satan "satan" and Jesus "Lucifer" if Lucifer means bright morning star? When did Lucifer come to ba another name for the devil? And what's all this about Santa Claus? Is this another name for the Devil?

It's all a result of mistranslation and mistransliteration by the Biblical scripture-makers...

It's all a result of mistranslation and mistransliteration by the Biblical scripture-makers...

Ahh.. okay. Thank you.

hmmmm iaint got a question but Aqil this was interesting to read
thank you for sharing your knowledge with us......

You're quite welcome, MBA...

So, then, how exactly did we get from calling Satan "satan" and Jesus "Lucifer" if Lucifer means bright morning star? When did Lucifer come to ba another name for the devil? And what's all this about Santa Claus? Is this another name for the Devil?There are eight entities or Sons of GOD that are all Satan, the eighth or first born/created can also be called Satan but is given a name that describes it’s features or form, which is humanoid but being of great light, bright light or Son of the morning, referring to a bright star during sun rise or the first light of the morning. These descriptions are representative as to the name Lucifer, which Jesus referrers to himself as and John describes him in that image.

Rv:1:16: And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Rv:22:16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The Seven Stars Jesus is holding is imagery of his seven brothers, all being Sons of GOD that became the Fallen in Geneses, all being Satan and commanded by the older brother Jesus/Lucifer or the leader. All of the Sons of GOD have the luminous quality about them but Lucifer’s glow is the brightest of all eight. This glow or brightness of light is also a quality of GOD. When the LORD passed by Moses, Moses’ exposed flesh picked up some of this glow.

29: And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.
30: And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.


GODs Glow or shine is so bright that it can light up the entire earth at once.

By the way Santa Claus, the name; has its origin from a myth of Satan’s Claw.

By the way Santa Claus, the name, has its origin from a myth of Satan’s Claw.Boy, you got more lies than Carter got liver pills...:laugh: The name "Santa Claus" did not originate from "a myth of Satan's Claw." There is no "myth of Satan's Claw"...in fact, the term "Satan's Claw" is from a 1970 British horror movie called, "The Blood on Satan's Claw."

You're a joke, Music Producer...:D

Boy, you got more lies than Carter got liver pills...:laugh: The name "Santa Claus" did not originate from "a myth of Satan's Claw." There is no "myth of Satan's Claw"...in fact, the term "Satan's Claw" is from a 1970 British horror movie called, "The Blood on Satan's Claw."

You're a joke, Music Producer...:DRead the web site that I found or just do a search on the web.

Try doing that yourself, Music Producer...:D I reiterate:

It is an easy thing to tell a lie, but it is difficult to support the lie after it is told...

Aristotle said:

When a liar speaks the truth, he is not believed...

And Mark Twain said:

A man is never more truthful than when he acknowledges himself as a liar.

The Origin of the Word "Satan"...

In the three major religions of the world - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - Satan is depicted as the prince of evil spirits and adversary of God. The word is the English transliteration of the Hebrew word “adversary” (or "accuser") in the Old Testament. With the definite article, the Hebrew word denotes “the adversary” par excellence, mainly in the Book of Job, where the adversary comes to the Heavenly court with the “sons of God.” His task is to roam.

The word “satan” also has shared etymology with the word “santa,” which is Dutch in origin, and translates, “saint.” Both words use the same letters. The common source of the word “satan” is “Saturn,” first given to the Greek god Chronos, then later to the planet. Obviously this ancient and misunderstood Saturn harbors a devout nature for which he is seldom given credit. Instead, Saturn remains better known for his more malefic contributions to mankind, and eventually became “The Grim Reaper” and “the Devil,” which, in Christian dogma, is the personification of evil...

“Adversary,” the word that describes Satan, is derived from the word “adverse,” which basically means, “opposed.” As the cosmic science of astrology is the synthesizer of all knowledge, here is the cosmic origin of the word “adversary,” and thusly Satan:

The Sun, which is the Giver of All Life, is exalted (meaning its influences are most powerful) in Aries, the first sign of the zodiac and the first fire sign. Libra is Aries’ complimentary and opposite sign, and the planet Saturn (from which the word “satan” is derived) is exalted in Libra. As a result of this opposition, Saturn (or Satan) becomes the Sun's adversary. And as the Sun represents God, Saturn, or Satan, becomes God’s adversary…

In light of this truth, all of man’s perceived and concocted stories and images of Satan – e.g., a red monster with horns and tail – become cartoons and fairy tales…

PEACE:

Alot of this info seems to be a convoluted mixture of different cultures and languages.

The word “satan” also has shared etymology with the word “santa,” which is Dutch in origin, and translates, “saint.”


The word SANTA is not Dutch in origin, it is Latin or Italian. This can be noted HERE (http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861701246/Santa.html).

It is from the Romantic language family......DEUTSCHE (German) perhaps, but not DUTCH.

Both words use the same letters.

This does not justify the convolution of 2 totally and remotely divergent terms.

The word HALLAH (http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861701246/Santa.html) bears the same amount of letters and even similar pronunciation with ALLAH, but aside from having a spiritual conotation (just like SANTA and SATAN), neither word bear any similarity to the other in meaning.

The common source of the word “satan” is “Saturn,” first given to the Greek god Chronos, then later to the planet. Obviously this ancient and misunderstood Saturn harbors a devout nature for which he is seldom given credit. Instead, Saturn remains better known for his more malefic contributions to mankind, and eventually became “The Grim Reaper” and “the Devil,” which, in Christian dogma, is the personification of evil...

This is not correct either.

SATURN (http://www.loggia.com/myth/saturn.html) bears absolutely no semblance with SATAN, neither in etymology, nor in origin.


“Adversary,” the word that describes Satan, is derived from the word “adverse,” which basically means, “opposed.” As the cosmic science of astrology is the synthesizer of all knowledge, here is the cosmic origin of the word “adversary,” and thusly Satan:

This is correct, which I can and will expound upon later. However:

The Sun, which is the Giver of All Life, is exalted (meaning its influences are most powerful) in Aries, the first sign of the zodiac and the first fire sign. Libra is Aries’ complimentary and opposite sign, and the planet Saturn (from which the word “satan” is derived) is exalted in Libra. As a result of this opposition, which is an adverse aspect, Saturn (or Satan) becomes the Sun's adversary. And as the Sun represents God, Saturn, or Satan, becomes God’s adversary…

This is a gross misinterpretatin of astrology. First it is stated that SATAN finds its roots in the "DUTCH" SANTA, and then in the GREEK SATURN?

For that matter, MARS, which is the governing planet of ARIES, was scene as the GOD of WAR......Since "adversaries" make war" why is this not scene as the the Devil?

By the way, the corresponding planet to Libra is not SATURN, it's VENUS (http://www.starlightastrology.com/libra-venus.htm). Your information is terribly inaccurate.

In light of this truth, all of man’s perceived and concocted stories and images of Satan – i.e., red with horns and tail – become cartoons and fairy tales…

Be that as the case, those "cartoons" still have their historical and cultural foundations.

The name SATAN comes from the KEMETIC deity SET or SETUKH.

Pay close attention to the similarities:

SET, the brother of AUSAR (who corresponds to the angel GABRIEL) slays him, and is then cast out of the PA'UT NETER (company of the Gods, same as the Heavenly Hosts).

AUSAR's son HERU (HORUS) vows to avenge his father while traveling the earth with his virgin mother AUSET (ISIS = Virgin Mary), gaining wisdom with his surrogate father TEHUTI (THOTH = JOSEPH).

HERU finds SET and does battle with him, and defeats him, and punishes him to dwell in the scorching desert (HELL), where he serves as the devourer of souls amongst the Jackals.

In the PERT EM HERU (falsely called the "Book Of The Dead"), SET is called the teller of lies, the chaos bringer, scourge of the desert, etc.

He is depicted as a red colored man, with the head of a rabid horned animal, as can be seen here:

http://www.members.aol.com/egyptart/myth/seth.JPG

You can also read more about SET HERE (http://sobek.colorado.edu/LAB/GODS/set.html).

HOTEPU

The word SANTA is not Dutch in origin, it is Latin or Italian. This can be noted HERE.According to Wikipedia the word "santa" is the shortened form of "Santa Claus." "Santa" is also the Spanish word for a female saint, as in "Santa Fe." The masculine form is "san" or "santo." Btw, the link you provided says Spanish, not Latin.

The word "santa" is Dutch in origin because the Dutch brought their "Saint Nicholas Eve" legend with them when they emigrated to this country. The name "Santa Claus" is derived from the main character's Dutch name, "Sinterklaas."

The word HALLAH bears the same amount of letters and even similar pronunciation with ALLAH...This is not true. The word "hallah" has six letters...

...but aside from having a spiritual conotation (just like SANTA and SATAN), neither word bear any similarity to the other in meaning."Hallah" is sometimes written "challah," and the "ch" is pronounced like our "k." It is a loaf of yeast-leavened egg bread...

Either this info itself is inaccurate, or the way it's presented is.

According to Wikipedia the word "Santa" has two meanings:

(1) the shortened form of "Santa Claus,"

SANTA only means "saint", nothing more. SANTA could also be short for SANTA PEDRO (SAINT PETER), or SANTA JONAS (SAINT JOHN), or SANTA MARIA (SAINT MARY).

There's no automatic correlation between SANTA and CLAUS.

and (2) the Spanish word for a female saint, as in "Santa Fe" (the masculine form is "san" or "santo").

Be that as it may, why is "SANTA" in the feminine form being used for KLAUSSE, a man?

When the Dutch still owned the land that later became New York, they brought the Saint Nicholas' eve legend with them to the Americas, but without the red mantle and other symbols. The name "Santa Claus" is derived from the character's Dutch name, "Sinterklaas." In Dutch, the feast is called "Sinterklaas Feest," celebrating the birthday of Sinterklaas during Sinterklaasavond ("Sinterklaas's Evening") on December 5 (or, in Belgium, on December 6).

Still, it's origin is not DUTCH. The DUTCH were 10 Century Christian converts, who had no knowledge of Saints (Santas or otherwise) until then.
"SINTER" is a derivative of SAINT...

Derivatives do not count as origins.

This is not true. The word "hallah" has six letters...

Yes, it does, and so does SINTER, as opposed to SANTA.

By the way, HALLAH has only 5 letters in HEBREW. The second "A" (ALEPH) doesn't get written.

This belabors my point from earlier, that it's next to impossible to accurately transliterate the meanings, spellings, and pronunciations of some words from some languages to and from another.

"Hallah" is sometimes written "challah," and the "ch" is pronounced like our "k." It is a loaf of yeast-leavened egg bread...

Yes, I'm well aware.

HOTEPU

The common source of the word “satan” is “Saturn,” first given to the Greek god Chronos, then later to the planet. Obviously this ancient and misunderstood Saturn harbors a devout nature for which he is seldom given credit. Instead, Saturn remains better known for his more malefic contributions to mankind, and eventually became “The Grim Reaper” and “the Devil,” which, in Christian dogma, is the personification of evil...This is not correct either.

SATURN bears absolutely no semblance with SATAN, neither in etymology, nor in origin.From http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/satanicconnection.htm

How the Term "Satan" Originated

This Awareness indicates that in reality, there is no such being as Satan. It is simply a creation of man, and the energies associated with this as being created as the movement grows and the creation of such energies as a personification of such energies. Originally, Satan was nothing other than the planet Saturn in an astrological quality. It was the Egyptian Set, the Egyptian God known as Set, which represented Satan or Saturn; the Persians, instead of calling it Saturn or Set, called the planet Satan, and personified the planet as though it were a person.

This Awareness indicates that the Persians were the first to invent the personification of that which was called Satan. Later, the time being in approximately the middle of the Christian Age, Western mystics, in studying various religions, latched on to the Persian teachings of Satan and brought into the Christian religion. Prior to that there was no Satan.

This Awareness indicates that it then led to modification in the Biblical texts, and let to various types of change in the scriptures and attitudes and terminologies used in the teachings, so that instead of Saturn or Set, the terms for Satan became as though the entity were a person; that in this manner, a force was personified. This Awareness indicates that the personification of this force in modern times is such that entities are treating this personification, this creation, as though it were a real being, and are worshipping this force.

The Sun, which is the Giver of All Life, is exalted (meaning its influences are most powerful) in Aries, the first sign of the zodiac and the first fire sign. Libra is Aries’ complimentary and opposite sign, and the planet Saturn (from which the word “satan” is derived) is exalted in Libra. As a result of this opposition, which is an adverse aspect, Saturn (or Satan) becomes the Sun's adversary. And as the Sun represents God, Saturn, or Satan, becomes God’s adversary… This is a gross misinterpretatin of astrology. First it is stated that SATAN finds its roots in the "DUTCH" SANTA, and then in the GREEK SATURN?

For that matter, MARS, which is the governing planet of ARIES, was scene as the GOD of WAR......Since "adversaries" make war" why is this not scene as the the Devil?

By the way, the corresponding planet to Libra is not SATURN, it's VENUS. Your information is terribly inaccurate.Venus rules Libra...however, the planet Saturn, which rules Capricorn, is exalted in Libra, as I stated. All the celestial bodies have their signs of exaltation: The Sun is exalted in Aries; the Moon is exalted in Taurus; Venus is exalted in Pisces; Mars is exalted in Capricorn; Jupiter and Neptune are exalted in Cancer; Saturn is exalted in Libra; Uranus is exalted in Scorpio; and Pluto is exalted in Leo...

Mars rules Aries and Scorpio...and all adversaries don't make war...an adversary is only your opposite...

From http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/satanicconnection.htm

How the Term "Satan" Originated

This Awareness indicates that in reality, there is no such being as Satan. It is simply a creation of man, and the energies associated with this as being created as the movement grows and the creation of such energies as a personification of such energies. Originally, Satan was nothing other than the planet Saturn in an astrological quality. It was the Egyptian Set, the Egyptian God known as Set, which represented Satan or Saturn; the Persians, instead of calling it Saturn or set, called the planet Satan, and personified the planet as though it were a person.

This Awareness indicates that the Persians were the first to invent the personification of that which was called Satan. Later, the time being in approximately the middle of the Christian Age, Western mystics, in studying various religions, latched on to the Persian teachings of Satan and brought into the Christian religion. Prior to that there was no Satan.

This Awareness indicates that it then led to modification in the Biblical texts, and let to various types of change in the scriptures and attitudes and terminologies used in the teachings, so that instead of Saturn or Set, the terms for Satan became as though the entity were a person; that in this manner, a force was personified. This Awareness indicates that the personification of this force in modern times is such that entities are treating this personification, this creation, as though it were a real being, and are worshipping this force.

This is proof-positive, that anyone can create a website and post whatever they like, and also that you shouldn't believe any/everything you read on the net.

We should all do our own research.

The site in question has several falsehoods. For example:

It was the Egyptian Set, the Egyptian God known as Set, which represented Satan or Saturn;

False. In Kemetic theology and astrology, Set did not represent SATURN, he represented PLUTO.

This Awareness indicates that the Persians were the first to invent the personification of that which was called Satan. Later, the time being in approximately the middle of the Christian Age, Western mystics, in studying various religions, latched on to the Persian teachings of Satan and brought into the Christian religion. Prior to that there was no Satan.

False. The Satanic conept existed within the Sumerian Annunaqi some 7,000 years prior to anything that the Persians created (there weren't even any "Persians" around during that time).

And numerous other societies as well; the HITTITES and ASSYRIANS, both drawing from the Kemetians and Sumerians respectively.

the Persians, instead of calling it Saturn or set, called the planet Satan, and personified the planet as though it were a person.

LMAO @ this. *shakes head* So, instead of the Persians calling it "SATURN" or "SET" (2 dialects that were at the time of the original usage of these words were totally UNKNOWN to them), the instead called it "SATAN", a yet third word of unknown dialect?

Where do these people get this stuff from? :confused:

Also from that site:

The Philosophy of Satanism

This Awareness indicates that the Satanic philosophy is that the entity claiming to be God of the Judeo-Christian philosophy, the Jewish god Jehovah, as having been a false god, and that Christ was misled, and was a cooperative of this philosophy, and that essentially, these two beings,-the god of the Jews or Hebrews, and the Son of God as Jesus the Christ, were in reality, creations of a false God by the Hebrews and the followers of the Hebrew influence.

Please take notice, as to how there are absolutely NO footnotes or bibliography of any sort anywhere to be found on that page.

This so-called "Awareness" is yet another falsehood.

Even a casual browsing of THE SATANIC CHURCH (http://www.satanicchurch.com/content/9-statements.aspx) or THE SATANIC BIBLE (http://satanicrituals.com/bible.htm) will reveal how that info is totally inaccurate.

Not that I agree with anything that they teach, but for the sake of accuracy, there's no need to lie on them.

The irony is, that SATANISTS are the only other religious group who believe that CHRIST was the Son Of God--other than CHRISTIANS, that is.

The difference being, they could just care less.


Venus rules Libra...however, the planet Saturn, which rules Capricorn, is exalted in Libra, as I stated. All the celestial bodies have their signs of exaltation: The Sun is exalted in Aries; the Moon is exalted in Taurus; Venus is exalted in Pisces; Mars is exalted in Capricorn; Jupiter and Neptune are exalted in Cancer; Saturn is exalted in Libra; Uranus is exalted in Scorpio; and Pluto is exalted in Leo...

What you are speaking about is Rising Signs. The reality is, all the planets, including the Sun and the Moon, can Rise and be exalted in all of the signs.

Meaning, Uranus is/can be exalted in Scorpio, Aries, Taurus, etc. So can Pluto. So can Mars.

However, that has nothing to do with which RULING planet is in question.

The Ruling planets are those that the sign is most associated with.

Mars rules Aries and Scorpio...and all adversaries don't make war...an adversary is only your opposite...

I'm fully aware of this, but did you elude my point on purpose? :confused:

Your original statement was that ARIES and LIBRA are "adversaries" of each other (more like diametrically opposing complimentaries).

If one's sole purpose in Creation is to wage war (like Mars), doesn't that make you a bit on the antagonistic (ie, negative) side?

My point was that ARIES would appear more negative than LIBRA, as you had originally asserted.

PEACE

All the celestial bodies have their signs of exaltation: The Sun is exalted in Aries; the Moon is exalted in Taurus; Venus is exalted in Pisces; Mars is exalted in Capricorn; Jupiter and Neptune are exalted in Cancer; Saturn is exalted in Libra; Uranus is exalted in Scorpio; and Pluto is exalted in Leo...What you are speaking about is Rising Signs.This is incorrect. A rising sign (or "Ascendant") is the sign that rises on the eastern horizon of the Heavens at the time of one's birth. You have a Sun-sign, a Moon-sign, and a rising sign...

The reality is, all the planets, including the Sun and the Moon, can Rise and be exalted in all of the signs.First of all the Sun and the Moon are not planets. Secondly, all the celestial bodies cannot "rise and be exalted in all the signs." That's impossible...

Meaning, Uranus is/can be exalted in Scorpio, Aries, Taurus, etc. So can Pluto. So can Mars.Who told you this? Have you read any books on astrology? If so, can you name them?

However, that has nothing to do with which RULING planet is in question.

The Ruling planets are those that the sign is most associated with.Each sign has a ruling planet or celestial body...e.g., Aries is ruled by Mars; Taurus is ruled by Venus; Gemini is ruled my Mercury; Cancer is ruled by the Moon; Leo is ruled by the Sun; Virgo is ruled by Mercury; Libra is ruled by Venus; Scorpio is ruled by Mars; Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter; Capricorn is ruled by Saturn; Aquarius is ruled by Uranus; and Pisces is ruled by Neptune...

I'm fully aware of this, but did you elude my point on purpose? :confused:No I didn't...what gave you that impression?

Your original statement was that ARIES and LIBRA are "adversaries" of each other (more like diametrically opposing complimentaries).

If one's sole purpose in Creation is to wage war (like Mars), doesn't that make you a bit on the antagonistic (ie, negative) side?The sole purpose of Mars is not to make war. Its symbol is the shield and spear, for in ancient times Mars was the god of war – and the planet still retains its martial character in modern thought.

Mars was the object of more divine honors than all the other planets in the eyes of the ancient world. It was the most sincerely worshipped of all the gods by the ancient Europeans. The greatest glory, in their rude times, was enjoyed by the greatest warrior. Mars was also symbolized as Vulcan, the celestial blacksmith who forged the thunderbolts of Zeus (i.e., Jupiter), the king of the gods. Thus Mars has dominion over such things as iron, steel, fire, and edged tools. (We still describe a strong-minded person as having “iron will”).

Through centuries of refinement in the cosmic art of astrology, Mars symbolizes physical strength, energy, ambition and desire in a horoscope. Mars influences for good or ill, depending on whether the aspects (or angles) from other planets are favorable or unfavorable. Those whose horoscopes are strongly influenced by Mars are bold, enterprising, positive, and they possess a great love of leadership. They are highly inventive and excellent with mechanical devices. They despised being ordered around, and their fierce ambitions often drive them to the head of any enterprise in which they are engaged.

My point was that ARIES would appear more negative than LIBRA, as you had originally asserted.Aries is a cardinal fire sign; Libra is a cardinal air sign; air and fire are compatible elements...

This is incorrect. A rising sign (or "Ascendant") is the sign that rises on the eastern horizon of the Heavens at the time of one's birth. You have a Sun-sign, a Moon-sign, and a rising sign...

First of all the Sun and the Moon are not planets. Secondly, all the celestial bodies cannot "rise and be exalted in all the signs." That's impossible...

Who told you this? Have you read any books on astrology? If so, can you name them?

I'll admit that I'm not the savviest, when it comes to Modern astrology, thus I may have confused the terms.

Each sign has a ruling planet or celestial body...e.g., Aries is ruled by Mars; Taurus is ruled by Venus; Gemini is ruled my Mercury; Cancer is ruled by the Moon; Leo is ruled by the Sun; Virgo is ruled by Mercury; Libra is ruled by Venus; Scorpio is ruled by Mars; Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter; Capricorn is ruled by Saturn; Aquarius is ruled by Uranus; and Pisces is ruled by Neptune...

I am however, aware of all of this. Nevertheless, this seems to contradict th original post you made, regarding Saturn and Libra.

No I didn't...what gave you that impression?

The fact that you've switched the train of this discussion, from the origin of Satan, to sun signs......? :confused:

The sole purpose of Mars is not to make war. Its symbol is the shield and spear, for in ancient times Mars was the god of war – and the planet still retains its martial character in modern thought.

Isn't this a bit of a contradiction? "it's purpose is not to make war", yet he is the God of War, carrying implimentations of war.........

:confused:


Mars was the object of more divine honors than all the other planets in the eyes of the ancient world. It was the most sincerely worshipped of all the gods by the ancient Europeans. The greatest glory, in their rude times, was enjoyed by the greatest warrior. Mars was also symbolized as Vulcan, the celestial blacksmith who forged the thunderbolts of Zeus (i.e., Jupiter), the king of the gods. Thus Mars has dominion over such things as iron, steel, fire, and edged tools. (We still describe a strong-minded person as having “iron will”).

All of which are martial attributes. Is it no coincidence, that the people who worshipped this God, "most sincerely", were warmongers themselves?

The God(s) one worships gives a glimpse into the pathology of the individual.

Still, what does all/any of this have to do with the origin of Satan, incorrectly portrayed in the info you posted?

Through centuries of refinement in the cosmic art of astrology, Mars symbolizes physical strength, energy, ambition and desire in a horoscope. Mars influences for good or ill, depending on whether the aspects (or angles) from other planets are favorable or unfavorable. Those whose horoscopes are strongly influenced by Mars are bold, enterprising, positive, and they possess a great love of leadership. They are highly inventive and excellent with mechanical devices. They despised being ordered around, and their fierce ambitions often drive them to the head of any enterprise in which they are engaged.

None of this takes away from my original assertion, that Mars should be seen as far more "negative" (or devilish) than Saturn should.

Mars also coincides to HERUKHUTI in Kemetic Astrology, btw.

Nonetheless, I'm still looking for that Saturn/Satan correlation that you sited earlier.

Aries is a cardinal fire sign; Libra is a cardinal air sign; air and fire are compatible elements...

Agreed, but why would an air sign (ARIES) correspond to Satan (SATURN)?

This doesn't make sense.

I've seen your knowledge of astrology in the other threads; it's quite impressive.....Yet your posting of this info in this thread doesn't seem to match it.

HOTEPU.

Aries is a fire sign...

Aries is a cardinal fire sign; Libra is a cardinal air sign; air and fire are compatible elements...Agreed, but why would an air sign (ARIES) correspond to Satan (SATURN)?

This doesn't make sense.It doesn't make sense because Aries is not an air sign...

I've seen your knowledge of astrology in the other threads; it's quite impressive...Thank you.

Yet your posting of this info in this thread doesn't seem to match it.See http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139&page=2&pp=10 for further clarification on the Aries/Libra polarity...

The site in question has several falsehoods. For example:

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It was the Egyptian Set, the Egyptian God known as Set, which represented Satan or Saturn;

False. In Kemetic theology and astrology, Set did not represent SATURN, he represented PLUTO.What is the source of your information? Pluto was discovered in 1930!

What is the source of your information? Pluto was discovered in 1930!

You honestly believe that the Original Man did not have knowledge of all 9 planets?

It doesn't make sense because Aries is not an air sign...

Sorry, that was a typo.

But I'm still asking you, which you have yet to answer, how Saturn applies to Satan? And how the astrology correlates to any of it, as you posted earlier?

PEACE

What is the source of your information? Pluto was discovered in 1930!You honestly believe that the Original Man did not have knowledge of all 9 planets?First of all, you didn't answer my question. Secondly, there are eight planets in our solar system...and lastly, what "original man" are you referring to?

But I'm still asking you, which you have yet to answer, how Saturn applies to Satan? And how the astrology correlates to any of it, as you posted earlier?I reiterate: The Sun, which is the Giver of All Life, is exalted Aries, the first sign of the zodiac. Libra is opposite Aries, and the planet Saturn is exalted in Libra. As a result of this opposition, Saturn becomes the Sun's adversary. And as the Sun represents God, Saturn - or Satan - becomes God’s adversary…

First of all, you didn't answer my question.

Fair enough:

I always operate from ancient premises, never anything contemporary, when it comes to sciences such as those in discussions such as these.

The Kemetians, Sumerians, Chinese and Aztecs bore witness to there being 9 heavenly bodies.

Are you asserting that this is not correct?

Besides, the assumption that something was "discovered" in recent times is absurd.......The western world was "discovered" in the 15th Century, along with the notion that the world was round.


Secondly, there are eight planets in our solar system...

Since when?

1= MERCURY

2= VENUS

3= EARTH

4= MARS

5= JUPITER

6= SATURN

7= URANUS

8= NEPTUNE

9= PLUTO

Is this not 9 planets?

If you're going to assert that Pluto was simply one of the moons of another planet, that is fine and good; however since it broke orbit from that planet and started orbiting the sun as the others did, it then became a planet by definition.


and lastly, what "original man" are you referring to?

Sorry, I forgot that everyone does not utilize the same terminology as I do.

When I say "Original Man", I'm referring the People Of Color during ancient times, who studied and practices these sciences in question.

I reiterate: The Sun, which is the Giver of All Life, is exalted Aries, the first sign of the zodiac. Libra is opposite Aries, and the planet Saturn is exalted in Libra. As a result of this opposition, Saturn becomes the Sun's adversary. And as the Sun represents God, Saturn - or Satan - becomes God’s adversary…

A reiteration is not an explanation, which is what I requested.

The signs of the zodiac are not adversarial to one another--they are complimentary, as I believe you even said earlier.

So the "Satan as adversary" idea doesn't work here.

Further, you have yet to demonstrate how the etymologies of both words "SATAN" and "SATURN" correlate.

And the "SANTA CLAUS" assertions do not serve as accurate demonstrations of such.

PEACE

Is this not 9 planets?You are absolutely correct, my brother...my badd...planet Earth temporarily escaped me...:)

If you're going to assert that Pluto was simply one of the moons of another planet, that is fine and good; however since it broke orbit from that planet and started orbiting the sun as the others did, it then became a planet by definition.I cannot assert that Pluto was once a moon...

A reiteration is not an explanation, which is what I requested.

The signs of the zodiac are not adversarial to one another--they are complimentary, as I believe you even said earlier.

So the "Satan as adversary" idea doesn't work here.

Further, you have yet to demonstrate how the etymologies of both words "SATAN" and "SATURN" correlate.Here is another demonstration:

"It is 'Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god,' and this without any illusive metaphor to its wickedness and depravity. For he is one with the Logos, 'the first son, eldest of the gods,' in the order of microcosmic (divine) evolution; Saturn (Satan), astronomically, 'is the seventh and last in the order of macrocosmic emanation, being the circumference of the kingdom of which Phúbus (the light of wisdom, also the Sun) is the centre.' The Gnostics were right, then, in calling the Jewish god 'an angel of matter,' or he who breathed (conscious) life into Adam, and he whose planet was Saturn.'"

http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/christianity/SatanCosmicReflectGod.html

You are absolutely correct, my brother...my badd...planet Earth temporarily escaped me...:)

No worries, we all make mistakes.

I cannot assert that Pluto was once a moon...

Fair enough......However, I do know that many astronomers have made that assertion that PLUTO was once one of NEPTUNES cache of moons.

I personally can not refute this, as there seems to be very little info either way. However, if PLUTO did in fact veer off course from Neptune, it was so long ago, that humanity would never have been privy to this event.

Here is another demonstration:

"It is 'Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god,' and this without any illusive metaphor to its wickedness and depravity. For he is one with the Logos, 'the first son, eldest of the gods,' in the order of microcosmic (divine) evolution; Saturn (Satan), astronomically, 'is the seventh and last in the order of macrocosmic emanation, being the circumference of the kingdom of which Phúbus (the light of wisdom, also the Sun) is the centre.' The Gnostics were right, then, in calling the Jewish god 'an angel of matter,' or he who breathed (conscious) life into Adam, and he whose planet was Saturn.'"

http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/christianity/SatanCosmicReflectGod.html

See, this is the problem I have with alot of these sites; they pose some good info, yet there is equally questionable info alongside.

All I see is SATAN thrown alongside SATURN, as if the correlation is implicit. No where is an etymological pathology given for this synonomism, and it is almost as if the reader is supposed to draw the correlation simply because of the similarity in spelling.

This is a Jedi Mind Trick of the worst kind, that fails to work on the intellectually apt.

At the same time, I find it interesting, how the writer does draw the correlation to the Kemetic SET (whom he inaccurately labels "Semitic):

"Thus we may infer that the only characteristic difference between modern Christianity and the old heathen faiths is the belief of the former in a personal devil and in hell. "The Aryan nations had no devil," says Max Müller. "Pluto, though of a sombre character, was a very respectable personage; and Loki (the Scandinavian), though a mischievous person, was not a fiend. The German Goddess, Hell, too, like Proserpine, had once seen better days. Thus, when the Germans were indoctrinated with the idea of a real devil, the Semitic Seth, Satan or Diabolus, they treated him in the most good-humored way."

It's also interesting to note, that the author of this selection also states that most Indo European societies saw "HELL" as the SUN:

The Reverend T. Surnden, commenting on the speculations of his predecessors, fills a whole volume with unanswerable arguments, tending to show that the locality of Hell is in the sun. We suspect that the reverend speculator had read the Apocalypse in bed, and had the nightmare in consequence. There are two verses in the Revelation of John reading thus: "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun, and power was given him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God."

I find this of particular interest, because while the sun is a pivotal element of the theological systems of Original People across the globe, it remains oblivous to Europeans, who come from cold sun-scant climates.

We all know what sun does to white people, thus the pathology seems clear as to how they would view it in a negative light.

This also seems to correlate with the concept of SET, being the "scourge of the dessert", where Africans were forbidden to wander to far and for too long without proper impliments.

People have been known to spontaneously combust into flames in the Sahara, which the Kemau came to see as a form of Hell on earth.

HOTEPU.

Oh, and by the way, I'd be extra careful with posting info from alot of these sites.....

This site you posted also has a link at the bottom in which the author attempts to draw the conclusion that "JEHOVAH IS SATAN".

Regardless of the difference in belief that you and I seem to have, I don't think either one of us tends to agree with such an absurdity.

PEACE

Oh, and by the way, I'd be extra careful with posting info from alot of these sites.....

This site you posted also has a link at the bottom in which the author attempts to draw the conclusion that "JEHOVAH IS SATAN."The link you refer to is titled, "JEHOVAH: SATAN," not "JEHOVAH IS SATAN." The other one is JEHOVAH: LUCIFER...(in both instances there is a colon between the two words). Here is a quote from the site you refer to:

"The Kabbalists say that the true name of Satan is that of Jehovah placed upside down, for 'Satan is not a black god but the negation of the white deity,' or the light of Truth. God is light and Satan is the necessary darkness or shadow to set it off, without which pure light would be invisible and incomprehensible. 'For the initiates,' says Eliphas Lévi, 'the devil is not a person but a creative Force, for Good as for Evil.' They (the Initiates) represented this Force, which presides at physical generation, under the mysterious form of God Pan - or Nature: whence the horns and hoofs of that mythical and symbolic figure, as also the Christian 'goat of the Witches' Sabbath.' With regard to this too, Christians have imprudently forgotten that the goat was also the victim selected for the atonement of all the sins of Israel, that the scapegoat was indeed the sacrificial martyr, the symbol of the greatest mystery on Earth - the Fall into generation. Only the Jews have long forgotten the real meaning of their ridiculous hero, selected from the drama of life in the great mysteries enacted by them in the desert; and the Christians never knew it."

But I'm still asking you, which you have yet to answer, how Saturn applies to Satan? And how the astrology correlates to any of it, as you posted earlier?Salaam aqi...I'll try again...:)

“Adversary,” the word that describes Satan, is derived from the word “adverse,” which basically means, “opposed.” As the cosmic science of astrology is the synthesizer of all knowledge, here is the cosmic origin of the word “adversary,” and thusly Satan:

The Sun is exalted in Aries, the first sign of the zodiac. The sign opposite Aries is Libra, and the planet Saturn is exalted in Libra. As a result of this opposition, which is an adverse aspect, Saturn becomes the Sun's adversary. And as the Sun represents God, Saturn, or Satan, becomes God’s adversary.

The cardinal signs of the zodiac also represent the cardinal points on a compass and the 3-6-9-12 times on a clock. For example, north (i.e., midnight) is represented by Cancer; south (i.e., noon) is represented by Capricorn. The Moon rules Cancer, and is therefore dignified in that sign. Saturn rules Capricorn, and is dignified in that sign.

East (i.e., dawn) is represented by Aries, and west (i.e., dusk) by Libra. The Sun, which represents God and is exalted in Aries, rules the 6am hour; Saturn, or Satan, God's adversary, is exalted in Libra, and rules the 6pm hour...

Addendum:

"Pierced with a lance through the eye on December 23, 679 AD while on a ritual hunt in the sacred Forest of Woevres at Satanicum - the Merovingian Dynasty's Capitol, deep inside the haunted Ardennes. Satanicum was so-named because the Temple of Saturn was located there during Roman times. Satan and Saturn are the same words, one 'Early Latin', and the other 'Late Latin.'"

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/3index.html

"Now, the name 'Saturn' in Chaldee is pronounced 'Satur'; but - as every Chaldee scholar knows - consists only of four letters, thus 'Stur.' This name contains the apocalyptic number." (Hislop, p.269):

S = 060
T = 400
U = 006
R = 200
_______
= 666

"Sri Aurobindo, a well-known Hindu guru, affirms that Saturn is represented by the number 6…because the planet is 6th of the nine planets in distance from the Sun." (Marrs: Mystery Mark, p.68)

The beast out of the sea with 7 heads (Saturn) is actually the earthly incarnation of Satan, the 7-headed serpent.

Rev. 12:3 - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns…

Rev. 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan…

Rev. 13:1 - And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns.

"The 7-headed dragon and beast of the book of Revelation…have their origin in the 7-headed serpent which is mentioned in the pyramid text." (Churchward, p.210)

"It is 'SATAN who is the god of our planet and the only god'…In the order of divine evolution Saturn (Satan), astronomically, 'is the seventh and last in the order of macrocosmic emanation'" (H.P. Blavatsky, p.234, quoting Dr. A. Kingsford: Perfect Way, Appendix: The Secret of Satan.)

"The Saturnian Spirit, 'Satan'…ensouls the third great major or Primary Ray of Deity." (Marrs: Mystery Mark, p.69, quoting Vera Stanley Alder.)

In the three major religions of the world Satan is depicted as the prince of evil spirits and adversary of God. The word is the English transliteration of the Hebrew word ha-satan, or “accuser” in the Old Testament. With the definite article, the Hebrew word denotes “the adversary” par excellence, mainly in the Book of Job, where the adversary comes to the Heavenly court with the “sons of God.” His task is to roam.

The word “satan” also has shared etymology with the word “santa,” which is Dutch in origin, and translates, “saint.” Both words use the same letters. The common source of the word “satan” is “Saturn,” first given to the Greek god Chronos, then later to the planet. Obviously this ancient and misunderstood Saturn harbors a devout nature for which he is seldom given credit. Instead, Saturn remains better known for his more malefic contributions to mankind, and eventually became “The Grim Reaper” and “the Devil,” which, in Christian dogma, is the personification of evil.

“Adversary,” the word that describes Satan, is derived from the word “adverse,” which basically means, “opposed.” As the cosmic science of astrology is the synthesizer of all knowledge, here is the cosmic origin of the word “adversary,” and thusly the word "Satan":

The Sun, which is the Giver of All Life, is exalted (meaning its influences are most powerful) in Aries, the first sign of the zodiac and the first fire sign. The sign opposite Aries is Libra, and the planet Saturn is exalted in this sign. As a result of this opposition, Saturn becomes the Sun's adversary. And as the Sun represents God, Saturn, or Satan, becomes God’s adversary.

In the Bible the Devil is known as "Satan' and "Beelzebub." In Judaism, Satan emerges as subservient to God and as an adversary and accuser of Job and other humans. In post-Biblical traditions he emerges as the tempter of humankind, and is responsible for all the sins in the Bible. Christian theology holds that his main task is to tempt humans to reject the way of life and redemption in favor of sin and death.

In the Qur'an the Devil is frequently associated with Iblis; he tempts the unfaithful, but not the true believer. In Hinduism there is no principal devil, although there are a variety of demons or devilish beings. Buddhists also recognize the existence of many demons, and "Mara," the Buddha's opponent and tempter, is sometimes identified as a specific devil.

The planet Venus was called “Vesper” by the early astrologers, meaning “evening” in Latin. Thus Venus was called "Vesper" when an evening star, shining brilliantly in the Heavens during and after sunset. When Venus is the morning star, rising brilliantly before sunrise, it was called “Lucifer,” which is Latin for “light-bearing.” This is why Jesus referred to himself as Lucifer, i.e., the bringer of light...

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