I don't know exactly when this particular breed took off in its popularity in our communities, but it is unusal in my neighborhood to see folk with other breeds unless they are rotweilers - another quite fearsome canine. It is as if this dog became the "designer" dog of fashion, and that fashion has not only not gone out of style, but has gotten completely out of control in it's popularity. I am wondering what is African people's fascination with this animal, and why???


My brothers, what is our fascination with this animal???

Does the animal reflect who we are think we are, and what we feel we need to be - hard, mean, and vicious?

What kind of brothers own these kinds of animals?

Are they secure people, capable of defending themselves with, or without the dogs, or are they oft insecure types, who actually need that dog to feel secure and protected???

Are we clear that, despite the fact that there are many defenders of this animal, it inflicts more dog bites, as well as lethal wounds than any other dog by a margin of 4 to 1? Is there a way to own this dog without risking the safety of our children and neighbors?

What do you feel about keeping dogs, or other animals in the home - does that pose some health issues??? I look forward to reading some of the answers to this little query...

Peace!
Isaiah

fascination.....is these dogs are fast bets and money !

it not about who we are but what these kind of dogs can offer
many are not breed to be house pets but fighters for dealers, gamblers
who pay big bucks $$$ to watch these Animals rip the neck off the next
they are not the smartest of breeds but surely the figher

I own a (roc) rotweiler.....from birth and she is a house pet not raised
to mix tieds and fight but more sensitive to the home she not for security
but can be and she knows her bounderies within these dogs need their space
if kept caged they become as vicious as any my dog was raised with children
and she more protective of them then an adult she have been tested many times
with use of babydolls to trace her reaction, she has learn to pull a doll by the cloth
and not skin to bite or harm her love for children has been amazing still they not
the smartest of dogs but trained like one if it's done properly, she can be defensive
for the safty of the home , yes there is a history of these dogs that will turn on even
you as the owner but again it's how they was raised and trained mine been with me
and children for more then 9 years so yes their are ways to own this dog without
harm to a child and neighbors or surroundings she is humble to small children
a baby cry she wines and lower her head she watchies closely as well

the only health issue i see in owning a dog is that they are not bath and
cared for which is animal crulity and neglect !

but Pit bulls are breed raised to fight and many make tons of money off
these dogs the price is up for a new born range likes of 250. to 300 bucks
for males and a little less for females
so when it come to style it will seem like it's gone out but they are money
makers and it's something we learn and now working the dogs to gain royalities
like back in the days of chicken fights ! you can get jail time if caught fighting
these animals some people have them for protection and to look big knowing
these are fighter and vicious dogs many are reported yearly .

i'll come back to add more on these kind of dogs .

Big Money Rich, thanks for your reply, man... I appreciate the knowledge you've shared... It was honest and sincere and balanced... I'm so tired of hearing people defend these dogs without a balanced view of the good and the bad of ownership of these animals... Perhaps, that is why so many tragic accidents happen with them - the denial factor... Thanks again, Rich...

Peace!
Isaiah

Well we have foxi she is 2 years old now a little roc and she loves kids
She plays with the kids on the block if they playing tag she plays to
Football you name it. One thing if a stranger walks down the street she is on them. Its like she thinks she protects the street kids. and the mailman is her best friend..he brings her treats....smh

Now I was scared of her, i think i was the only one...lol but.. she is not just mind but my cousin next door is the one that got her and her brother and we had to put him to sleep he was mean. He wouldn’t let us feed him or come near him. Then he start going after folks. So he was laid to rest…..

Then about 10 years ago my brother had a pit bull, rockie was his name..it only like me until after I had the baby… I was pregnant and it use to lay at my feet…no one could come near me but the kids in the family…He was not a fighting dog for money...but one day he turned on my brother...so he was laid to reast too.....

But the best dog I ever had was a dachshund and the smartest one i had
Mack was my dog....very well tame and he outlived his life spam by 5 years.
he was a show dog won some ribbions also thought he was human.....but anyway.....so facts on him.....

The Dachshund was developed in Germany more than 300 years ago to hunt badgers.

From 1930 to 1940, Dachshunds advanced from 28th to sixth rank among American registrations, and maintained this average rank through World War II

but i dont think you wanted to know all that...lol

Peace
Angel

The breed dates back to about 1835. Some few years later, to gain size, this dog was crossed with the Spanish Pointer, and even to this day evidence of Pointer inheritance is seen occasionally.

1890 It was a dog for sportsmen in times when life in general was more strenuous and of rougher, coarser fiber when dog fights were allowed and well attended. As fighting dog or "gladiator" of the canine world, such a dog had to be of great strength, agility, and courage. A bred by gentlemen for gentlemen for those who had a great sense of fair play, and who scorned the liar and the deceiver in any game. The dog was taught to defend himself and his master courageously, yet he was to seek or provoke a fight

Contrary to the opinion of those who do not know him, it is an exceedingly friendly dog; he thrives on affection, yet is always ready for a fight and a frolic.


to say all of this..to breed these dogs for fighting did not just start its been going on for a long time..it aint new.....

i be back with the link i did research on my dogs and had this in my files
now i gotta find the link.....smh

Well surely if you ever read or replyed to any of my posts, (seeing that I do have two of them as my avatar) you knew I would be one to reply to this thread.
First of all, it's plain that I am not a man but a "Queen" (woman) and I know this question was address to the men. I have two dogs with entirely 2 different personalities. their names: egypt and nubia

When my daughter was 2, 3 and 4, she always loved both cats and dogs, she would always touch or run behind them on the street (which I stopped her from doing) both me and my husband were dog lovers growing up. When she turned 5 we promised to get her a dog (while she was still a baby) and the going price for "rotts" was $250. and up. *whew* the bottom line is, I have always hated pitt-bulls with a passion only because of the rep that they carry. I later found out that they were like that because of the owners training them to fight/kill for money and the whole yard. I ended up with a "rott-pitt" ...

1. "Egypt" ..."rott-pitt" (mother rott, father pitt) We got her when she was 3 weeks old, far to soon to leave her mother but she was a big fat one. people say that both dogs: rott and pitt are very dangerour dogs and to have one with both breeds in it , is muder.

She is the most loving dog in the world...to us. As a puppy she slept in the room with my daughter, anyone would come in and out of the house at will. she was always around children. But as she start getting older (1 yr. old) she became less and less friendly..to the point now where "no one" can walk through that door or she'll take their head off...including children. She is in every sense of the word a "killer dog" ...nobody can come within 6 feet of my daughter when this dog is around...nobody!!

I can't speak for other dogs, but these two that I have are very, very smart.
And the only time trouble comes is when someone step on this property, she guards the surroundings with her life.

2. Nubia "rott"
she was 4 weeks old, by then.. egypt was 1yr. and she raised nubia. They are now 3 (rott-pitt) 2 (rott)
this dog will let anybody pet her until egypt show up on the set, then nubia also goes into attact mode. they do a lot of team work.
it would amaze you to see the picture album that I have of just them in several different poses, yes they will sit, lay or stand together to take a picture, and I'm saying all that to say this...

All dogs have the nature of a "dog" ...but, we don't all get doys (rotts or pitts) for the same reasons. So many people (big dealers) have offered us up to $600. to mate my "rott-pitt" and they will buy everyone she has. I do not like dog fights and I will not mate my dog for that purpose...not ever.

i need not say more for Angel and Queentswana had finished my tale
but know every dog is raised differently and used differently so what
makes these dogs cost more and everyone get them is to make money
some as pets and some as gaurd dog even a few to show cast and make
somebody seem bad or tough but this been going on for so long just black
folks are now getting into what was going on long ago fighting these kind
of dogs .........They are very lovely Animals but can be deadly if not trained
right

I think the problem is like anything else. People are so into trendy things that they have to do what everyone else is doing. The problem is they are too stupid to know that they need to do research on these dogs and really learn how to take proper care of them. They also need to know what and what not to do with these dogs. Too many people don't do this. They just run off and try to buy one because they look cool walking the dog down the street past children and babies. Sometimes they don't even have leashes on them. I don't think most people should have these type of dogs. They have shown that they are prone to violence. Not all but alot have been involved in some type of abuse. I would never own a dog that is likely to snap and attack someone. I couldn't live with myself if a child or baby or old person got seriously hurt or killed because I had to have a dog similar to DMX's.

Whew, peops, I can see that all who've responded to this thread, MzBlkAngel, Queentswana, and Big Money Rich, are all dog lovers, and I want to thank you all for being so patient and forthright with me, a non-dog lover(smile!)

I mean, I don't dislike dogs at all - just the vaunted Pit Bull Terrier... I don't dig their unpredictability, I don't dig their sometimes CRAZED behaviour... I don't dig reading of the stories of how they attack children, as one did here in Brooklyn several weeks ago, and kill them. In nearly every case, these dogs have to be hit upside the head with bats or some other such blunt instrument to get them to release their victims, and that is just not kosher to me...

Some years ago, like 2001, I met a sister outside of Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in Manhatttan, who had been "bitten"(seized is more the proper word)on the breast by a pit bull, and had it not been for a man shooting this dog to death, he would have killed her... She said she had gone unconscious with the pain inflicted on her by the bite, and would probably have been killed had it not been for her rescuer... She also said that this dog had been prompted to attack her by it's 17-year old owner, who was later arrested.

My own brother and I do not visit one another because he is the owner of both breeds, Rot and Pit, because I don't dig this animals attitude, as it were... When he owned only the Rott, everything was everything, as Donny Hathaway would say... Her name was Patience, and she was incredibly affectionate, a big juicy kisser, if you will(smile!)... Then my brother got his Pit Bull... He claims he didn't train Patience properly, as she wasn't his example of what a good guard dog should be... She didn't bark, and scare the hell outta everybody who walked by his door... She didn't stare malevolently at folk, and pace all around like she was a nut on a furlough... Now, he's got what he wants in this dog whose name I don't know, and don't freakin' care to know... He says the vibe I send to the dog aint good for my health(smile!) Yo, pa, see ya!(smile!)

Rich, Queentswana, and MzBlkAngel, my brother and I discussed this same thing some years before he aquired the Pit, that they are not the smartest of breeds - and that's putting it lightly... You guys have touched on this yourselves... Remember, I did ask the question in the initial post, Is this animal reflective of who we are, or want to be, as Black Men, in particular??? I am not getting this...

Don't get a brother wrong... I dig smaller dogs, particularly those pug dogs(smile!) I dig cats, too(they're so mad smart and independent) But, don't give me no dumb dog, all he or she knows how to do is attack my fellow human beings... Yo, back to the freakin' jungle with that!!! If I need to defend myself against another human being, I'll do that the way I've been doing it all of my life... I don't want to sic no animal on any human being, because that's not a fair fight, and shows my intent to KILL, rather than DEFEND... That is my logic...

Thanks to you all for your responses, and MzBlkAngel, I will be looking forward to your additional info(smile!)

Peace!
Isaiah

Brother Kente, happy that you were weighing in on this even as I was posting myself... I am in total agreement with you on this tip, and my preceeding post would indicate that... What else is new with us, man(smile!)

But like you said, it is a humanity thing with me... It is a LIFE thing with me... If the Pit Bull grabs a child, and I've got to bust him up beside his dome with a blunt instrument, I am just sensitive enough that I would even be devastated to have to do what I had to do... I respect life that much, because LIFE is given by God, not me... Some weeks ago, I had the unfortunate circumstance of what I think was a queen bee having flown into my residence... She was big and massive, and her buzz could be heard at the back of my house(smile!)... When I walked up into the area she was in, and saw her size, I said, "oh S@!$!", and went and got my broom, yo! I knew insect spray wasn't gonna do nuffin!(smile!) I proceeded to smash her once, but she still came smokin' after me, gliding my way after I had broken my broom on the first swipe... I hit her again in flight, and she was gone...

I was not proud of that... I wish there had been a way for me to let her out of my house without making her feel that I was attacking her, but...

So, Pit Bulls, whom I don't feel serve as great a purpose as Queen Bees, but whom I would not to have to inflict no damage on, and whom I don't want inflicting damage on me, I can do without... By the same token, I do understand that many of the owners of these breeds are the real problem...

Peace!
Isaiah

Personally for me I prefer Kats than dogs, I can take a cat to a Board Meeting (I have before) and a dog cannot even leave a yard.

I find no real fascination in dogs at all, I guess to each his own.

I hear you Isaiah. I also think that some dogs and animals are not made to be pets because they are too unpredictable. People always think they know everything about everything. Like sometimes you hear someone say...."Oh, don't worry, he doesn't bite". I'm thinking.."what do you mean...he's a dog. of course he bites". People always think they have the situation under control. Can you read a dog's mind? No one knows what a dog is thinking or feeling. Hey, perfect example is Siegfried and Roy. They lived with those animals for years and years and never got attacked. Until that day. Now they are going to be more cautious. Now, what would've happened if that tiger attacked a guest at their house (since they lived with the tigers) or a person in the front row or something. Now, yes they were tigers but they are animals that they overly trusted with their lives...same as people do with these dogs that can kill a person just as easily as that tiger attacked it's longtime owner and friend.

Excellent points, Kente417Mojo - excellent!(smile!)

Peace!
Isaiah

Pitt's are crazy dogs that should not be trusted they get excited 2 fast and will bite from that excitement and it's true they will not win and intelligence contest, they are fighting dogs and have always been that way. Check your history books on the dog.
I perfer the Rott grrman or american breeds.

Pitt's are not pets...they're weapons. I don't think anyone should own them.

I agree pitts are fighters and will bite quick these people feed them
raw bloody meats and gun powder red pepper keep them in the dark
for a day when they see light they attack on sight
DANGER DANGER DANGER !!!!! but money makers

I agree. I think any dog with that type of mentality to where they are always prone to attack should not be allowed to be pets. Why anyone would want them is beyond me but they do. It shouldn't be legal because there have been more than enough instances where people have been attacked by these stupid dogs. These guys strutting down the street with the dog dragging them are the problems though.

Pitt's are crazy dogs that should not be trusted they get excited 2 fast and will bite from that excitement and it's true they will not win and intelligence contest, they are fighting dogs and have always been that way. Check your history books on the dog.
I perfer the Rott grrman or american breeds.


Mine is a "rott-pitt" and is entirely different from a pure breed pitt. She was raised with my daughter and she's very, very loveable, she' was in a fight one time, and that was because another dog came on the property. Other than that she never come in contact with other dogs. And my dogs is very intelligent.
ps...I love my dogs, but I never, ever lose the fact that...they are dogs !!

It is indeed sad that many children have been mauled and/or killed by pitbulls. Still I can't pass judgment on all pitbulls and say that they are all bad and dangerous, because when I think about it, I must also admit that it is a fact that more children have been killed by men than pitbulls, yet I refuse to believe that all men are dangerous and bad.

It's all in what a person perceives and understands about this particular breed of dog. Someone made a comment about this dog never passing an intelligence test, not realizing that this dog ranks number 2 in the world in dog intelligence tests. Now too bad concidering that there are hundreds of breeds that exist in the world.

I feel the problem we have here is threefold. First of all, someone made a comment about this dog's unperdictable behaviour. However, unlike in the Chow, this is not a "natural" occurrence. This is found only among pits who have been bred "back into" their mother. This really screws up their psyche many times. (2) The other reason is that many pitbull owners keep their dog chained up out back somewhere. This is not good for any dog, but it is especially not good to do a pitbull like this. Why? Because pitbulls are very "needy" for affection and attention from their owners. If an owner can't keep his dog in the house with him, he can't expect that dog to develop good behaviour towards people. For one, he is chained up and no dog enjoys this because their freedom is taken away and thus they feel insecure when they feel they can't protect themselves.

(3) Thirdly, many people put their dogs through sever suffering via dog fighting. Mainly men are guilty of this. Most women simply lack the ability to put their dog in harm's way for a dollar. Once, the dog has lost a fight or two, he is often shot or thrown into the streets to be ran over by a passing motorist.

My pitbull gets a lot of love and attention from us. When someone comes near me and Noah, I can truthfully say that whether they be children or grownups, they can walk him or pet him...he loves people. It's not in defense of pitbulls that I say this, I say it only because it's true of him as a dog. This is the way that I raised him. Should all people own pitbulls. Definitely NO! But then, not everyone should own a dachshund either. Understand the breed first and then make a decision of commitment because you will certainly need it. There are five in my family, yet Noah follows no one around in the house except me. I am his me-maw. Whether I go to the bathroom or the bedroom, he follows me and lays at the door until I come out. Because of his human interaction he is no danger to humans unless those humans attack one of the family members or one of the children in the neighborhood that he is attached to.


As I said earlier, it is all in how people perceive this breed to be, not knowing that more children have been attacked by the pretty Labs that we see in TV commercials then by pitbulls. It is the media hype and the bad owners (dogfighters) who make this dog the most despised of all breeds.

Many do not know that it is the German Shepherd that is the most dangerous to humans. They are more "naturally" prone to attack humans. I have owned two of them. This is why they make such great K9 dogs. However,
pitbulls are terrible at this if they are straight pit like Noah. That's because he is not naturally prone to attack nor is it easy to train him to be so.

Well, that's my 2 cents yall.


Picture Of My Pitbull Noah (http://thepoetscornerstone.com/DOG12.jpg)

The Reason Why The Pitbull Has Such A BAD Reputation (http://pitbulls.angelpaws.com/aggression.php)

so true , so all dogs are not a danger to human life it's the human life
of men to make these dogs mean and bite on site !

So true Rich...so very, very true. :(

Studies have shown where dogs and their owners resemble each other in different ways. Here's a research report that sheds some light on the subject.

And not only that, but married couple's looks tend to converge over a period of time during their marriage. But that's a topic for another discussion. :)

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Roy.pdf

How many of you dog owners think your pets resemble you? :)

Queenie

Studies have shown where dogs and their owners resemble each other in different ways. Here's a research report that sheds some light on the subject.

And not only that, but married couple's looks tend to converge over a period of time during their marriage. But that's a topic for another discussion. :)

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Roy.pdf

How many of you dog owners think your pets resemble you? :)

Queenie


I can only speak for myself...I don't think my dogs favor me :lol: :lol:

so true , so all dogs are not a danger to human life it's the human life
of men to make these dogs mean and bite on site !

i agree with you..reading and knowing what i do....all dogs are not a danger...

Angel

My dog favors a girlfriend of mine. She has golden eyes and so does he. My dog resembles me in terms of beauty in personality. As far as physical looks, I am more prone to say that I favor my husband more than my dog. :lol:

i do not like dogs and i really do not like pitts and rotts.
some of the owners act in a completely irresponsible and insensitive fashion.
i have seen much abuse of these animals by thoughtless owners.

the lack of manners and concern shown by many dog lovers is a drag upon the community.
these people will not even clean up their ****!

if you can take the smell, fine, but why inflict it on everyone else in the community?

i do not like dogs and i really do not like pitts and rotts.
some of the owners act in a completely irresponsible and insensitive fashion.
i have seen much abuse of these animals by thoughtless owners.

the lack of manners and concern should by many dog lovers is a drag upon the community.
these people will not even clean up their ****!

if you can take the smell, fine, but why inflict it on everyone else in the community?

Jamesfrmphilly...
Is it the "dogs" itself that you don't like, or the (unthoughtful ) owner's that train their dogs to attack?

Jamesfrmphilly...
Is it the "dogs" itself that you don't like, or the (unthoughtful ) owner's that train their dogs to attack?
well the owners, of course, but how can you separate the two?
i have seen dogs placed in such conditions of filth by these owners that it has brought a tear to my eye.
i have found stool and urine on the carpets of my hallway and it is LEFT THERE and not cleaned up.
i have found dog owners around here to be in a world of their own where people like me who are just trying to walk down the street and live their life do not seem to matter.
dogs should not be allowed to run free where they can attack when they feel like it.
dogs are not people.
they need to be under the control of a person.

dog owners around here just don't care.

well the owners, of course, but how can you separate the two?

You just did yourself in all your below statements.


i have seen dogs placed in such conditions of filth by these owners that it has brought a tear to my eye.
i have found stool and urine on the carpets of my hallway and it is LEFT THERE and not cleaned up.
i have found dog owners around here to be in a world of their own where people like me who are just trying to walk down the street and live their life do not seem to matter.
dogs should not be allowed to run free where they can attack when they feel like it.
dogs are not people.
they need to be under the control of a person.

dog owners around here just don't care.


A dog, (in my opinion) is the product of what and how it's taught. And it's not my intent to change your feelings about dogs because that's your perrogative (did I spell that right? :uhoh:) but they are pets, just as cats, snakes, rabbits and others. Now I can only speak for me when I say that my two dogs are "pets"...not 'fighters, or dirty and smelly and all that stuff. They are 3 and 2 years old and NEVER have they eaten off the street or use the toilet in the street. Now please do overstand me...these dogs grew up with my daughter, they were 3 weeks old and she was 5. I never for one second, forget the fact that these are dogs! and a dog by any other name... is still a dog, ...meaning if I even entertained the thought of these dogs trying to harm my kid, or any kid for that matter, I will shoot their @ss...without a thought.
hope I didn't sound too harsh...

did i forget to mention that they fight the dogs?
i actually do feel sorry for the animals.
they are treated badly.
:nono:

It seems to me that a lot of yall have posted about these dogs but are operating strictly on ignorance of the breed....the American Pitbull Terrier is one of the most intelligent breed of dog that exists they excel at any task put before them with the proper training. I love the breed and am a true fancier. I've had and have been around them since I was 7 years old and have had them as my own since I was 17. I've never had a dog bite anyone or run the streets killing other animals...some of you talk about dogfighting and know nothing about what it really is....what I hate is the type of people that often buy these dogs..ignorant folks that know nothing about the breed at all but want to look tough to make up for something they lack internally. The dogs for one are not trained to fight it's their genetic disposition, depending on the type of bulldog you have ..for dogs down from sporting stock they will fight another dog with no provocation but tend to be very people friendly, the other toughnut dogs that you see some many dumb walking around with have a higher probablity of being people agressive dogs as their ancestors usually weren't used ...the pitbull has been around for hundreds of years and we as black people haven't just gotten into them..it only seems so because of thugs that get them for the bravado of having a pit......those are the bastards I hate..I love the breed it is one of maybe 4 breeds of dog I will ever own and right now I have quite a few bulldogs....one thing I have seen on this forum though and in life in general that I hate though is that usually the people that talk the most about a subject such as dogs are usually the ones that have the least amount of knowledge on said subject..before you form your opinions and open you mouth read a book and learn about your subject.

it is true that i don't know much about dog breeds.
hell, i don't know much about humans either.

i do know that i don't like humans with ill-mannered, ill-trained and ill-treated dogs.

What about the Doberman? What do you brothas think about that? Pit bulls are nothing much compared to them.

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If you feel that knowledge is lacking in this conversation, then feel free to give your expertise on the subject. However people are entitled to their opinions, and an intelligient person (an expert on a particular subject) should be able to correct misperceptions without resorting to cussing & childish insults. I have taken the liberty to editing the curses out of you post, and kindly ask you to refrain from using this language in the future. Thank You!

:smokin: cussin you are on me for cussin well hell ...they're only words some folk use them and some folk don't .... as an adult I feel if I want to cuss and talk the way I talk to others I deal with then I will...and as for insults..that's part of our problem as a people today we are so sensitive to what folk say to us we're ready to cry and shed tears at what we consider an insult....to hell with that when I was a kid the older folk said some cold stuff to us at times to get their point across and we took it as it was advice but now we can't cuss we can't take insults..which by the way I didn't insult anyone calling folk ignorant of a subject when it's the truth is not an insult it's the truth would you rather I use more polite language...yall are too funny...we are becoming soft as a people a nation of whiners, that cry whenever someone hurts our feelings to hell with that, I'm from the old school raised by old folk from Mississippi and Louisiana where a man was a man and said what he wanted to who he wanted and I stand by that..I am a stranger in a strange land where everyone has to be politically correct and watch what we say for fear of insulting someone else **** that...if I have to watch what I say on this board or any other on this forum then **** it you people are too intellectual for my simple country ***....enjoy your polite conversation..I gotta feed my charges....

Oh yeah and cussin has nothing to do with a person's level of intelligence you may want to watch your preconceived notions about folk in the future you've probably turned you nose up to some very smart folk in the past behind that way of thinking....we're getting as bad as ofay with the way we look at our own...because of where somebody's from or the way they talk....too much..I like using my nickle words you stick to your dollar words we both still get our point across....Mississippi Red a.k.a ignorant cussin country Mississippi *****.

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Destee

that's part of our problem as a people today we are so sensitive to what folk say to us we're ready to cry and shed tears at what we consider an insult.

Interesting! Actually I think part of our problem as a "people" is that everyone wants to do as they darn well please, without having the disclipline to follow rules for the common good. :rolleyes:

I don't care what anyone says about these dogs being soooo friendly and misunderstood. If I see a pit bull coming toward my child from one side and a lab retriever from the other....I'm shooting the pit bull first. :uzi: I don't have to read books on top of book about pits...I don't have the time to do so. What I do have are eyes...and I've seen how crazy these dogs act compared to other dogs.

Be careful Kente...I think we've been invaded by PETA!

Be careful Kente...I think we've been invaded by PETA!

:lol: I know right. For the record....I take back that statement. :lol:
I'd have faith that this animal won't tear my kid apart for the sake of animal rights.

:wave:

Pan and kente417mojo

:lol: :lol:

You know what my fault for coming across the way I did when I first posted on this thread but them dogs are something I'm very passionate about and for the most part I am a hard man and speak as such in normal conversation brutally honest even to myself and to a fault, if I insulted anybody with what I said I truly apologize and will try and be a good dog from here on out...woof woof.... Mississippi Red

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You know what my fault for coming across the way I did when I first posted on this thread but them dogs are something I'm very passionate about and for the most part I am a hard man and speak as such in normal conversation brutally honest even to myself and to a fault, if I insulted anybody with what I said I truly apologize and will try and be a good dog from here on out...woof woof.... Mississippi Red

:yo:

:lol: :lol: You're crazy man.

I saw those dogs in the picture forum.

You know what my fault for coming across the way I did when I first posted on this thread but them dogs are something I'm very passionate about and for the most part I am a hard man and speak as such in normal conversation brutally honest even to myself and to a fault, if I insulted anybody with what I said I truly apologize and will try and be a good dog from here on out...woof woof.... Mississippi Red

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Thank you MississippiRed for your consideration.

It is much appreciated.

:heart:

Destee

Destee no big thing. Kente lol.....I've got a few more that I don't have pictures of my daughter feeds that grown black male out of her hand he lays around on her like a big cat...

Oh forgot to add for folk with questions about them dogs though please post and I'll do my best to answer them....I won't bite... :yo:

Mr Red.

when i enter into someone's house, i tend to follow their rules while in their house.
i may not agree with them but i follow them.
if i can't follow them i don't go back.

i do not stand in the doorway and argue with them.

JamesfromPhilly, brotherman, you is too much, man(LOL!)

Peace!
Isaiah

James it depends on whose house it is I'm going in...sometimes I won't stand on the gallery and argue I'll come up inside like I own it..depends on the feeling I get from the folks inside...you seem to be a better man than I am though.....but I have no problem tearing up somebody's house...but this is one thing I like about these forums though the differences between everyone on here..if we all thought alike it'd be boring as fighting grasshoppers.

Mississippi Red :grin:

Interesting
I think a lot of people buy these dogs
Cause its a reflection of themselves
Or a reflection of what they want to be
Just to say I have this mean a** dog
I own a Doberman I just love the dogs
They just look so aggresive and quick
Im in love with them AWW

The breed dates back to about 1835. Some few years later, to gain size, this dog was crossed with the Spanish Pointer, and even to this day evidence of Pointer inheritance is seen occasionally.

There is no pointer in pit bulls history brother. They are a molloser breed. They are a mix of bulldog and terrier, and originated in Staffordshire england.

I think the problem is like anything else. People are so into trendy things that they have to do what everyone else is doing. The problem is they are too stupid to know that they need to do research on these dogs and really learn how to take proper care of them. They also need to know what and what not to do with these dogs. Too many people don't do this. They just run off and try to buy one because they look cool walking the dog down the street past children and babies. Sometimes they don't even have leashes on them. I don't think most people should have these type of dogs. They have shown that they are prone to violence. Not all but alot have been involved in some type of abuse. I would never own a dog that is likely to snap and attack someone. I couldn't live with myself if a child or baby or old person got seriously hurt or killed because I had to have a dog similar to DMX's.

SM(darn)H......This is too real. LMAO. They will feed a pit-bull grits and fried baloney, and complain when their sport-dog don't wanna fight a championship round with a healthier dog, kicking the dog around and such. Dog just tied to a string in the frontyard looking pitiful and ribs showing through its coat. I always see fools walking down the street, or should I say the dog is walking them. I guess these beast-dogs make one feel fearless. I know if one happens upon me & mine, I'mma choke the #ell outta one of them monsters......smh. Never was fond of dogs:crying:

The original pitbulls were bred to be aggressive towards other dogs, but very people friendly. They had to be people friendly because the owners had to be able to break them up in the heat of battle, and they didn't want the dogs trying to bite the referees. If any dog showed human aggression, he was immediately disqualified from the competition. So human aggressive dogs were useless to the dog fighters. Even today, contrary to popular belief, a properly socialized pitbull is one of the most people friendly of dogs. They are also responsible for far less human attacks than most dogs in the country (german shepherds lead in that category). Unfortunately, most people can't tell a pitbull from an american bulldog or a square jawed mutt, so they often get blamed for attacks committed by other breeds. The media also contributes to this hysteria by only reporting pitbull attacks and ignoring hundreds of other incidences of dog attacks by other breeds. Lastly, the inner city drug dealing amateur dog fighter scum have all but destroyed the breeds image. Most of these people are back yard breeders who produce pit-mutts (big bulldog breeds mixed with pitbulls). These dogs are often over 100 lbs, no pure bred pitbull is over 70 lbs. They also breed these dogs to be people aggressive by abusing them from an early age. I believe there should be a special liscense evryone must have in order to own a pitbull. The liscense will prove that your dog has the proper temperament and socialization and is not human aggressive (most pitbulls show some dog aggression, but that is way different from human aggression). These dogs should be registered as "non agressive" and entered into a database. If one of these idiots is walking their aggressive pitbull down the street, animal control should be able to request proof of this liscense from them. If they don't have this liscense, the dog should be taken away on the spot and not returned until they are able to provide it.

IMO, Pitts are like demons in a dogs shell. Devil.

IMO, Pitts are like demons in a dogs shell. Devil.

Personally, I'd have a pet gerbil before I'd own a poodle

"BIG"

IMO, Pitts are like demons in a dogs shell. Devil.




You're tripping......this thread brought me in here to Destee and almost took me up out of here but the APBT is something I will defend to the end.......without fail.........they are one of the most loving , loyal and brave breed of dog on the planet without question....the reason they have such a bad rep these days is due to a lot of dumb arses who get them to try and look tough and a lot of people that have them but don't understand how to handle one of the bull breeds....these dogs are not for everyone not even close .....most of the ones you see on the street are not in my opinion even APBT they're petbulls...I don't even call my dogs pits I have gamedogs true to the same standard set for looks and performance for over a hundred years......a lot of these street dogs are from 70 pounds on up with massive heads little bodies and such that's not how the dog was ever meant to look it's only the fairly recent popularity of the dog and profit which has caused all these backyard idiots and semi-dogmen to breed these dogs this way and poor breeding practices and lack of vision for their yard leads to a non-performing,tempermentally unstable dog ...and the breeders sell to anyone...these bastards buying these dogs couldn't take care of a fish much less one of these dogs.....they walk them off leash, they keep them in a yard running free , they don't keep up their fences and I even see these fools with the dogs sitting in their yards with no chain, cable, or even a leash and collar to restrain them and then they act surprised when their dogs get somebody or something......

I've been involved with gamedogs since I was a boy and a young boy at that...I raised my first litter when I was 12 and have done the same since ..even now at 35 going on 36 I still have dogs....I live in an apt now and they don't physically live with me but my kennel partners have dogs that we both own and take care of and breed......I've never raised a blue dog and the biggest dog Ive ever had is a young gyp I have now that is about 47 fat on the chain other than her everything is between 25 and 43 or so pounds male and female .....I know the dog game in and out and can attest to the fact that very few dogmen have ever had a dog get out and do any type of damage it's only the wanna be dogmen, gangstas, and regular dummies that get down like that....

Big that was good info but I have to correct you on one thing Brother man aggressive dogs are a part of the game even since way back if you want I can give you some names and info on some real man eaters (dogs that will bite you if they get the chance without a doubt) the difference is we know how to handle these type dogs and as such a maneater to me is no problem......I've had a couple of dogs that I knew would bite somebody so I took the necessary precautions and all my dogs without fail or exception will fight a dog so I take the necessary precautions...we keep our dogs on either cable or chain setups, heavy duty nylon collars when we walk them which is usually late at night anyway we walk on harnesses with a heavy duty lead ( I use 10 foot long horse leads) and I always carry a breakstick because there's always some dummy out there letting their dog run free while they walk steady talking bout "oh my dogs' friendly let them meet" even though I'm telling them "my dog ain't friendly and he/she is going to grab your dog if it gets too close" usually it ends with me picking my dog up and having to carry her/him away from the "friendly dog" and dumbarse owner.....

Spicy don't judge the breed on what you see from them amatuers they know nothing about bulldogs and nothing about the Game and as such take anything they say with a bucket of salt cuz a grain aint enough.......like I said these dogs ain't for everybody if you're weak willed and soft the dog will run you if you don't know how to properly contain a dog or break up a dog fight , if you don't the history and propensities of these dogs they ain't for you (generally speaking) I don't agree on the lic though not at all......I don't like the govt or animal control( I really hate animal control, humane society and animal police) telling me I can or can't have certain dogs and then be able to track my animals...nah that's ok........I have beliefs on who I think should own these dogs but that's another story.......I believe performance animals belong with people that can handle them and are going to use them for what they're bred for and that's all breeds folks that want lap dogs should stick with that and them breeds or get fish I hear they're nice......


MississippiRed
StillScratching

You're tripping...... My badd bruh. this thread brought me in here to Destee and almost took me up out of here but the APBT is something I will defend to the end NDRSTD.......without fail.........they are one of the most loving , loyal and brave breed of dog on the planet without question Good to hear there's an angelic side to these dogs:angel: ....the reason they have such a bad rep these days is due to a lot of dumb arses who get them to try and look tough <-----*agrees* and a lot of people that have them but don't understand how to handle one of the bull breeds....these dogs are not for everyone not even close I've realized that. .....most of the ones you see on the street are not in my opinion even APBT they're petbulls...I don't even call my dogs pits I have gamedogs true to the same standard set for looks and performance for over a hundred years......a lot of these street dogs are from 70 pounds on up with massive heads little bodies and such that's not how the dog was ever meant to look Whew....thanx for letting me know that's not normal:book: it's only the fairly recent popularity of the dog and profit which has caused all these backyard idiots and semi-dogmen to breed these dogs this way and poor breeding practices and lack of vision for their yard leads to a non-performing,tempermentally unstable dog Vital Info. ...and the breeders sell to anyone...these bastards buying these dogs couldn't take care of a fish much less one of these dogs.....they walk them off leash, they keep them in a yard running free :nono:. they don't keep up their fences and I even see these fools with the dogs sitting in their yards with no chain, cable, or even a leash and collar to restrain them and then they act surprised when their dogs get somebody or something...... I feel you. As a child I was afraid to walk to school with a beef jerky in my backpack, from fear of the pack of 'les miserables' attacking me:bye:

I've been involved with gamedogs since I was a boy and a young boy at that...I raised my first litter when I was 12 and have done the same since ..even now at 35 going on 36 I still have dogs....I live in an apt now and they don't physically live with me but my kennel partners have dogs that we both own and take care of and breed......I've never raised a blue dog and the biggest dog Ive ever had is a young gyp I have now that is about 47 fat on the chain other than her everything is between 25 and 43 or so pounds male and female .....I know the dog game in and out and can attest to the fact that very few dogmen have ever had a dog get out and do any type of damage it's only the wanna be dogmen, gangstas, and regular dummies that get down like that.... With all that knowledge, folks like you ought to train the amatuers. Much needed:)

Big that was good info but I have to correct you on one thing Brother man aggressive dogs are a part of the game even since way back if you want I can give you some names and info on some real man eaters (dogs that will bite you if they get the chance without a doubt) the difference is we know how to handle these type dogs and as such a maneater to me is no problem......I've had a couple of dogs that I knew would bite somebody so I took the necessary precautions and all my dogs without fail or exception will fight a dog so I take the necessary precautions...we keep our dogs on either cable or chain setups, heavy duty nylon collars when we walk them which is usually late at night anyway we walk on harnesses with a heavy duty lead ( I use 10 foot long horse leads) and I always carry a breakstick because there's always some dummy out there letting their dog run free while they walk steady talking bout "oh my dogs' friendly let them meet" even though I'm telling them "my dog ain't friendly and he/she is going to grab your dog if it gets too close" usually it ends with me picking my dog up and having to carry her/him away from the "friendly dog" and dumbarse owner.....

Spicy don't judge the breed on what you see from them amatuers they know nothing about bulldogs and nothing about the Game and as such take anything they say with a bucket of salt cuz a grain aint enough.......like I said these dogs ain't for everybody if you're weak willed and soft the dog will run you if you don't know how to properly contain a dog or break up a dog fight , if you don't the history and propensities of these dogs they ain't for you (generally speaking) I don't agree on the lic though not at all......I don't like the govt or animal control( I really hate animal control, humane society and animal police) telling me I can or can't have certain dogs and then be able to track my animals...nah that's ok........I have beliefs on who I think should own these dogs but that's another story.......I believe performance animals belong with people that can handle them and are going to use them for what they're bred for and that's all breeds folks that want lap dogs should stick with that and them breeds or get fish I hear they're nice...... Well said Brother Red. I never meant to insult something you feel so passionate about. Dogs are just not my cup of tea. As you explained much of the dogg-itude, I'm sure I can put myself at ease when I see one of the lil' critters walking their owner in my direction:look:...JK...*laughs*. They just tend to bring out the dawg in some folks. All good though. Pat your dogs on the head for me:spinstar:


MississippiRed
StillScratching

Personally, I'd have a pet gerbil before I'd own a poodle

"BIG"

Are you saying you prefer a fierce macho dog over a wimpy one?

Say Red, what's the proper way to break up a dog fight?

My kinfolk prolly fall into the category of wanna be dog breeders, but the only way I've seen them break it up was a punch upside the dog's head.

Personally, if a breed is so dangerous you need special training to keep it from attacking folk something needs to be done about it. Most the time I hear about pits getting after somebody it's a child that's been seriously injured or killed.

How can one blame a dog for doing evil things?

People need to use COMMON SENSE when owning any type of pet. If they don't know how to handle a certain breed of dog, then don't get that dog. Some dogs will be more violent than others because people keep training them to be violent.

If they got a certain breed and had other circumstances happen in which they just didn't have the resources to take care of it, then they need to sell it to those who do have those resources or do the most humane thing and send it to the pound. That is what my family has done with pets or even strays in that situation.

Are you saying you prefer a fierce macho dog over a wimpy one?

I prefer a companion that can help me protect my family, a poodle can't do that. Yeah poodles are candy @ss, but I don't fight my pit nor will I ever fight my pit. Most people who have this negative opinion about pitbulls know nothing about them. Kinda like a white man with negative opinions about black people based on statistics he sees on the evening news.

Say Red, what's the proper way to break up a dog fight?

My kinfolk prolly fall into the category of wanna be dog breeders, but the only way I've seen them break it up was a punch upside the dog's head.

Personally, if a breed is so dangerous you need special training to keep it from attacking folk something needs to be done about it. Most the time I hear about pits getting after somebody it's a child that's been seriously injured or killed.

If you dig deep into the homelife of these peoples who own these (he just snapped) pitbulls that have attacked a child, I bet you would find signs that were present that they were going to do this. Most people don't take time to properly socialize a dog. The most important thing to break in a dog is food aggression, yet many people think that's just a part of a dog, so they accept it. Many urban folks fight their dogs, then bring them home to be around their small children. When an aggressive fighting dog is eye to eye with a child, and a child bothers him while he's eating, that child is competition to him, like another dog would be, period. If you ban pitbulls, they'll just fight Rotts. Ban Rotts, they'll just fight Shepherds. Ban Shepherds, they'll just fight Malamutes. So what do you do? Only allow people to own Yorkies? A Yorkie recently killed a small baby by ripping her throat, so I guess we can't have them either, huh? The only thing that's "inbred" is the lack of respect for life that many of these urban idiots have in general, including human life.

"BIG"

Say Red, what's the proper way to break up a dog fight?

My kinfolk prolly fall into the category of wanna be dog breeders, but the only way I've seen them break it up was a punch upside the dog's head.

You want to break up a fight? Tell your folks to use something called a leash bro, and a tall locked fence. Unless your folks are not only back yard breeders, but dog fighters as well. In that case they have my contempt.

If you dig deep into the homelife of these peoples who own these (he just snapped) pitbulls that have attacked a child, I bet you would find signs that were present that they were going to do this. Most people don't take time to properly socialize a dog. The most important thing to break in a dog is food aggression, yet many people think that's just a part of a dog, so they accept it. Many urban folks fight their dogs, then bring them home to be around their small children. When an aggressive fighting dog is eye to eye with a child, and a child bothers him while he's eating, that child is competition to him, like another dog would be, period. If you ban pitbulls, they'll just fight Rotts. Ban Rotts, they'll just fight Shepherds. Ban Shepherds, they'll just fight Malamutes. So what do you do? Only allow people to own Yorkies? A Yorkie recently killed a small baby by ripping her throat, so I guess we can't have them either, huh? The only thing that's "inbred" is the lack of respect for life that many of these urban idiots have in general, including human life.

"BIG"

Brothers Bigtown and SIP, I am not arguing againt cats like yourselves, rather against the same knuckleheads you guys are talking about... Just as a policemen is licensed to carry his pistol, so should folks who own these dogs be licensed and certified to own them - to keep them out of the hands of the knuckleheads... Sure, many of these idiots will still own them, but they will not BRANDISH them as openly as they do... That's what the whole impetous toward licensing them is all about...


Peace!
Isaiah

I prefer a companion that can help me protect my family, a poodle can't do that. Yeah poodles are candy @ss, but I don't fight my pit nor will I ever fight my pit. Most people who have this negative opinion about pitbulls know nothing about them. Kinda like a white man with negative opinions about black people based on statistics he sees on the evening news.


LOL, I done got thrown in the same ballpark as white men? :help: is Cali affecting me that bad? I see what you sayin though:) But you know what they say, "a dog will $h*t in a den, nowadays a gat is a mans best friend". No doubt, dogs do deter a lot of crime around the home, I'll give them that. They're just not my cup-o-tea, from EXPERIENCE. It's all good though, just do you boo;) keep them pits away from me tho...

Ok sorry it took so long to respond...but there are some issues that need to be cleared up and some questions that need to be answered...

First Spicy we good no offense taken and I do have 3 protege's right now 1 that serious and he's my dog potna he's been with me for 12 years, 1 that's been with me for 7 and he's still trying to get stripes but isn't sure what he wants to do and 1 that just got a dog and is just trying to learn general dog care if you keep reading further down you'll see why I can't just take folks in and teach them what I know part of it though is that most of them think they know everything already and don't listen.


Kemetkind, what's good Bruh.......first question breaking up a fight......no water, no hitting or kicking will stop true gamedogs from fighting firstly now once dogs are fighting it depends on the situation but I'll try and be helpful......ideally there are 2 people around one to grab each dog if not it's a little trickier but not that hard.....first you need a break stick it is a completely necessary item if you're going to have these dogs this is tool number one in breaking a dog fight when one or both dogs are in holds (it's grabbed the other dog and ain't letting go) this is when you use the stick to "break" em off......ideally you straddle the dog , grab it by the scruff of the neck (you gotta hold on tight but don't pull yet because when you pull the dog is gonna bite even harder and might start working the hold(shaking it's head).....now once you got the scruff, straddling then you take the break stick and gently but firmly start working it into the dogs mouth behind the canine teeth at front (there's a small space between those teeth and the rest of them that's where you want the stick) but don't pry like with a prybar you can break a dog's teeth like that you wiggle the stick until it starts getting in there and the dog will let go (they let go because they can't exert as much pressure with that stick in there and let go to get a better grip) now when that dog lets go if there's two of yall do it at the same time you snatch it up by the scruff of the neck and yall split em.......now if you're alone once you get that first dog broke off you have to hold his head up so he can't get another hold and then you work the stick into the other dog's mouth so it'll then let go now when it does be quick and snatch the one you already holding up and put it up on your shoulder so the one you ain't holding can't get it then you do what you have to put one in the house in a car whatever until you can get the second dog secured again...........on the issue of them biting folks there are signs you have to know your dog like you know yourself the dog will tell you what and who it likes and don't it'll tell you if it has a propensity to bite you just have to listen to em and take the necessary steps......if you don't know what a break stick is and or need to get one email me and I'll give you the info you need....


Big I agree about the signs where we disagree is about the matching of dogs.....it wasn't mostly urban folks that started fighting dogs when the dogs first came here there were fighting dogs the APBT was and is a fighting dog bred for it for the last couple hundred years that's what they do........it always confuses me when folk get bulldogs and say I love them because of the traits of the dog namely courage, loyality, gentleness , for the most part non man aggressive, intelligence among others but they act like they don't realize that the only reasons bulldogs have those traits is because of selective breeding on the part of dog fighters (and I don't mean the average dumbarse cats that don't know anything about the proper way to do it or even how to take care of them after) if you notice most of the real issues with these dogs came post 1976 when the animal rights act was passed making dog fighting illegal before that not many non dog folk even had these dogs it was after this and into the 80's when the dog got popular that the stupids got them and started popping out pups with no regard for anything but the dollar and making a scary aggressive dog.........without dog fighting there would be no APBT ......now as far as fighting other breeds of dog.....that's another red flag that lets you know you're dealing with a dummy.......dog men don't use or fight other breeds of dog not rotts,shepards,beagles, dobermans nothing ....why,,,,,,them dogs are not bred to do what the bulldog does......they're not bred to be game, they're not bred with that dog aggressiveness, in a match you can get down face to face with a bulldog that's working and have no worries with them isheaters you mentioned in a fight they freak out and bite whatever they can including you if you get too close ..........there's no other dog as stable as the game APBT none...........I know gamedogs and the game inside and out raised by legends into it to become a dogman of old....doing it not to make money but to continue a tradition that began before any of us on this board was even born........the fallacy about match dogs being unstable is completely untrue I've seen dogs come out of matches and lay in kids laps while it's getting patched up, this ain't what somebody told me it's what I know, I've see dogs 2 days after a match when they're all stove up sit down and let kids pet it and scratch it and kiss it with no problem at all again not what I heard but what I know..........so before you talk about your contempt for dogmen sit down and wonder why you like your dog so much and remember who made that dog that way and then look at the way their going now that the dogman is being forced underground and the average cat is doing the majority of the breeding and selling........


MississippiRed
StillScratchin

if you don't know what a break stick is and or need to get one email me and I'll give you the info you need....


dog men don't use or fight other breeds of dog not rotts,shepards,beagles, dobermans nothing ....why,,,,,,them dogs are not bred to do what the bulldog does......they're not bred to be game, they're not bred with that dog aggressiveness, in a match you can get down face to face with a bulldog that's working and have no worries with them isheaters you mentioned in a fight they freak out and bite whatever they can including you if you get too close ..........there's no other dog as stable as the game APBT none...........I know gamedogs and the game inside and out raised by legends into it to become a dogman of old....doing it not to make money but to continue a tradition that began before any of us on this board was even born........the fallacy about match dogs being unstable is completely untrue I've seen dogs come out of matches and lay in kids laps while it's getting patched up, this ain't what somebody told me it's what I know, I've see dogs 2 days after a match when they're all stove up sit down and let kids pet it and scratch it and kiss it with no problem at all again not what I heard but what I know..........so before you talk about your contempt for dogmen sit down and wonder why you like your dog so much and remember who made that dog that way and then look at the way their going now that the dogman is being forced underground and the average cat is doing the majority of the breeding and selling........


MississippiRed
StillScratchin

Rotts are indeed dog aggressive, Most molloser breeds are. You can breed gameness into allmost any breed. Btw, most so-called pits out there are not pure bred anyway. They are 100 lb backyard monsters that do not posses the true pitbull temperament.

Rotts are indeed dog aggressive, Most molloser breeds are. You can breed gameness into allmost any breed. Btw, most so-called pits out there are not pure bred anyway. They are 100 lb backyard monsters that do not posses the true pitbull temperament.


Rotts may be dog aggressive but dog aggression has nothing to do with gameness......... ...yes you can try to breed gameness into any breed but without testing it'll never happen and how many generations and years will you go through to get there the APBT's gameness has been tried by fire and forged over years of work a lot of people say their breed of dog is game and maybe they are in the sense the person uses their dog but they aren't pit game like the APBT which were bred specifically for scratch in turn matches breeding gameness into a dog is not as easy as you make it seem it's hard enough to even breed gameness into APBTs......I do agree that most dogs people call pits are not bulldogs they are badly bred dogs bred either for size color or both but not for what the dog was originally used for..........but I wouldn't say most there are a whole load of dogs in the hands of dogmen worldwide that are the true and real thing......find some of the pictures of my dogs in here those are gamedogs, true real life bulldogs and a couple I put pictures of in here are the Truth .........Big good to know you have a dog and can take care of it ......I can talk dogs all day love them dogs man...


Red

Rotts may be dog aggressive but dog aggression has nothing to do with gameness......... ...yes you can try to breed gameness into any breed but without testing it'll never happen and how many generations and years will you go through to get there the APBT's gameness has been tried by fire and forged over years of work a lot of people say their breed of dog is game and maybe they are in the sense the person uses their dog but they aren't pit game like the APBT which were bred specifically for scratch in turn matches breeding gameness into a dog is not as easy as you make it seem it's hard enough to even breed gameness into APBTs......I do agree that most dogs people call pits are not bulldogs they are badly bred dogs bred either for size color or both but not for what the dog was originally used for..........but I wouldn't say most there are a whole load of dogs in the hands of dogmen worldwide that are the true and real thing......find some of the pictures of my dogs in here those are gamedogs, true real life bulldogs and a couple I put pictures of in here are the Truth .........Big good to know you have a dog and can take care of it ......I can talk dogs all day love them dogs man...


Red

Like you I love dogs too. We have a red red nosed pitbull and an english pitbull. The red was breed specifically for fighting and comes from a championship family of Reds. However, Noah (the red nosed with yellow eyes) is of show dog quality. Even if he was I would never dream of fighting him. That is an awful thing to do to dogs.

The English pit is the pit that has more of a tendency toward human aggression because they were breed as guard dogs for their owners in England originally. We will always have to watch him. He's not mean, but if he feels that I am in danger of any kind, he can get very ugly. No one should hug me or even raise hell at me in his presence. Noah will warn you, but Ice is not that merciful.

Both Pits are house pets and are never allowed to wander around in the neighborhood and walk without being on a lease. This is part of being responsible as owners. However, the dogs that deliver the most bites on children and adults are indeed not pits, but Golden Retrievers, Rotts and German Shepards. Pitbulls are naturally dangerous around other dogs. This is why it is not safe to let they romp through a dog park without a leash. However, Pits make terrible attack dogs for police use. Thus German Shepards are used instead. German Shepards have a natural aggression towards humans...so it's easier to teach them how to attack properly. Personally, I have broke up 3 pit fights without (it helps to know what you are doing) getting bit. I would not try that with a German Shepard OR a Chow.

Anyway...like you, I went a little long on the dog subject. LOL. I will hush now.

Like you I love dogs too. We have a red red nosed pitbull and an english pitbull. The red was breed specifically for fighting and comes from a championship family of Reds. However, Noah (the red nosed with yellow eyes) is of show dog quality. Even if he was I would never dream of fighting him. That is an awful thing to do to dogs.

The English pit is the pit that has more of a tendency toward human aggression because they were breed as guard dogs for their owners in England originally. We will always have to watch him. He's not mean, but if he feels that I am in danger of any kind, he can get very ugly. No one should hug me or even raise hell at me in his presence. Noah will warn you, but Ice is not that merciful.

Both Pits are house pets and are never allowed to wander around in the neighborhood and walk without being on a lease. This is part of being responsible as owners. However, the dogs that deliver the most bites on children and adults are indeed not pits, but Golden Retrievers, Rotts and German Shepards. Pitbulls are naturally dangerous around other dogs. This is why it is not safe to let they romp through a dog park without a leash. However, Pits make terrible attack dogs for police use. Thus German Shepards are used instead. German Shepards have a natural aggression towards humans...so it's easier to teach them how to attack properly. Personally, I have broke up 3 pit fights without (it helps to know what you are doing) getting bit. I would not try that with a German Shepard OR a Chow.

Anyway...like you, I went a little long on the dog subject. LOL. I will hush now.

Pits don't lead the stats on dog-bites in general because they are not the most popular breed of dog. But if you look at the breeds that have been involved in documented cases of KILLING HUMANS, usually children, it is indeed Pits and Rots as the two most lethal breeds.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

Like you I love dogs too. We have a red red nosed pitbull and an english pitbull. The red was breed specifically for fighting and comes from a championship family of Reds. However, Noah (the red nosed with yellow eyes) is of show dog quality. Even if he was I would never dream of fighting him. That is an awful thing to do to dogs.

The English pit is the pit that has more of a tendency toward human aggression because they were breed as guard dogs for their owners in England originally. We will always have to watch him. He's not mean, but if he feels that I am in danger of any kind, he can get very ugly. No one should hug me or even raise hell at me in his presence. Noah will warn you, but Ice is not that merciful.

Both Pits are house pets and are never allowed to wander around in the neighborhood and walk without being on a lease. This is part of being responsible as owners. However, the dogs that deliver the most bites on children and adults are indeed not pits, but Golden Retrievers, Rotts and German Shepards. Pitbulls are naturally dangerous around other dogs. This is why it is not safe to let they romp through a dog park without a leash. However, Pits make terrible attack dogs for police use. Thus German Shepards are used instead. German Shepards have a natural aggression towards humans...so it's easier to teach them how to attack properly. Personally, I have broke up 3 pit fights without (it helps to know what you are doing) getting bit. I would not try that with a German Shepard OR a Chow.

Anyway...like you, I went a little long on the dog subject. LOL. I will hush now.



Hello Joyce....it's good you have dogs and no them and I agree with some things you said but a couple things you said are not quite right.....
There's no such thing as an English pitbull terrier there is a English Bull Terrier (the Target Dog and Spuds Mckenzie were Bull terriers) or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Staffybull looks like a APBT but smaller ) .....a lot of people sell these dogs calling them German Pits, English Pits, Alaskan Pits.....but these dogs don't exist and have no generational history to back them up..they are in fact either American Pitbull terriers or some mixture of APBT and American Bulldog......like I said there is a lot of misinformation about these dogs .....the other dog..the Red dog.....could possibly have Champions in his ped but there are show Champs and Pit Champs and from what you've said I don't think your dog was bred to be a pitdog........if you want you can email me the ped and I can tell you what he was bred down from.........I've had Champs that were mine bred by me and most if not all dogs bred for matching have no tolerance for other dogs at all.......none...and to keep them together requires them to be tethered at all times....and no dogman worth his dogs refers to any dog of his by the color of the dog or his nose....that's the tool of the cat selling dogs......just like telling folks....that the dogs they're looking at are bred for the box down from Champions when in actuality they're show Champs or the pitdogs are 3 or more generations back in the ped.........and the other dogs up closer have never been put down with a dog.......

Number 1 I don't trust anydog....by breed alone...I only trust dogs I know well enough to know what they'll do most of the time.....secondly the only bulldogs I trust are those bred for performance by people that know what they're doing....most cats out there breeding dogs now have no idea....they breed for nose and coat color, size and certain bone structure dogs bred for performance have to have a certain level of stability......and as such are less likely to be man aggressive even though you get some very man aggressive ones from time to time........

Like I said before .....and will continue to say......I wish that the general public never had access to these dogs......if the majority of owners were dogmen.....men who used their dogs for their intended purpose we wouldn't have all these problems with dogs biting folk and such..........it's the general public and the backyard breeder in my opinion who has caused all the problems with these dogs and are responsible for the insane laws now being passed in many states.........I see them everyday.......

Again Joyce it's good you have dogs and seem to kind of know how to handle them .(can't say one way or another since I don't know you ) but a couple of things you can do to get more knowledge is get a couple of books if you want I can recommend some .......

also like I said earlier.....if you really want to know what your dogs were bred down from I'll give you my email address and you can email me the peds or I can give you a link where you can enter them and I'll look it over and tell you exactly what you have......I've done dogs most of my life and know what's what.....if you look at the peds of my dogs it's like reading a history book of Champions, Grand Champions, ROMs and known bad dogs and producers...from the present time back to the late 1800's and early 1900's when some of the dogs came here


MississippiRed

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DOGS ARE HUNTING ANIMALS REGARDLESS OF TRAINING THEY ARE STILL HUNTING ANIMALS STOP TRYING TO BELIEVE THEY ARE HUMANS THEY CAN BE NICE SWEET FRIENDLY BUT THEIR NATURAL INSTINCT WILL ALWAYS BE THER THATS WHY IT APPEARS AS THOUGHT THEY SUDDENLY TURN ON HUMANS,..... THEY DO NOT THATS LIFE WATCH YOURSELF RESPECT THEM BUT STILL REMEMBER WHAT THEY ARE I LOVE DOGS I OWN 6 VARIOUS BREEDS.
MASTIFF/GREAT DANE,ROTTWEILER,AKITA,ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD AND ONE I CALL SOUP A MAD MIX OF ALL THERE IS I BELIEVE, EACH WITH THEIR OWN PERSONALITIES,ROGUE AND BEAST WATCHES VISITORS FROM AFAR NEVER TAKING THIR EYES OFF JUST A LAZY COOL(YEAH RIGHT)STONE WILL STARE YOU DOWN TO YOUR PLACE WHICH IS VISITOR STATUS SHOW RESPECT OR BE ESCORTED OUT . . . . .IF I WALK THEM THEY ARE ON THEIR BEST BEHAVIOUR NO PROB ON THE STREET, PARK, BEACH ITS ALL GOOD..A MAJOR RPOBLEM WILL OCCUR IF YOU THREATEN ME OR MY FAMILY ie-NO AGRESSIVE SHOUTING OR ACTIONS. DOGS ARE WONDERFUL BUT THEY ARE NOT HUMAN ACT ACCORDINGLY

Hello and Welcome Shakathunder! :wave: I'm glad that you're making yourself at home by posting your opinions in the different forums. I hope you continue to contribute because it's important for us to know how you think and what you believe when it comes to the Black community.

Peace,
Queenie :spinstar:

I don't know exactly when this particular breed took off in its popularity in our communities, but it is unusal in my neighborhood to see folk with other breeds unless they are rotweilers - another quite fearsome canine. It is as if this dog became the "designer" dog of fashion, and that fashion has not only not gone out of style, but has gotten completely out of control in it's popularity. I am wondering what is African people's fascination with this animal, and why???


My brothers, what is our fascination with this animal???

Does the animal reflect who we are think we are, and what we feel we need to be - hard, mean, and vicious?

What kind of brothers own these kinds of animals?

Are they secure people, capable of defending themselves with, or without the dogs, or are they oft insecure types, who actually need that dog to feel secure and protected???

Are we clear that, despite the fact that there are many defenders of this animal, it inflicts more dog bites, as well as lethal wounds than any other dog by a margin of 4 to 1? Is there a way to own this dog without risking the safety of our children and neighbors?

What do you feel about keeping dogs, or other animals in the home - does that pose some health issues??? I look forward to reading some of the answers to this little query...

Peace!
Isaiah


Some Brothers here think it's all Hip Hop.
That's sad. I have seen quite a few in my neighbourhood.
They look scary

ALAAFIA,THANKS FOR THE WELCOME NNQUEEN , APPRECIATED

in the sixties the dogs of choice for blackmen were the german shepard and the boxer,sometimes you might see a bulldog.

in the sixties the dogs of choice for blackmen were the german shepard and the boxer,sometimes you might see a bulldog.


The dog of choice that was used on the black man during the sixties was the german shephard. I grew up threw the sixties and I only knew the mutt as the dog mostly owned by blacks...we just weren't that excited about german shephards...at the time...at least not that I knew of.

Hello Joyce....it's good you have dogs and no them and I agree with some things you said but a couple things you said are not quite right.....
There's no such thing as an English pitbull terrier there is a English Bull Terrier (the Target Dog and Spuds Mckenzie were Bull terriers) or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Staffybull looks like a APBT but smaller ) .....a lot of people sell these dogs calling them German Pits, English Pits, Alaskan Pits.....but these dogs don't exist and have no generational history to back them up..they are in fact either American Pitbull terriers or some mixture of APBT and American Bulldog......like I said there is a lot of misinformation about these dogs .....the other dog..the Red dog.....could possibly have Champions in his ped but there are show Champs and Pit Champs and from what you've said I don't think your dog was bred to be a pitdog........if you want you can email me the ped and I can tell you what he was bred down from.........I've had Champs that were mine bred by me and most if not all dogs bred for matching have no tolerance for other dogs at all.......none...and to keep them together requires them to be tethered at all times....and no dogman worth his dogs refers to any dog of his by the color of the dog or his nose....that's the tool of the cat selling dogs......just like telling folks....that the dogs they're looking at are bred for the box down from Champions when in actuality they're show Champs or the pitdogs are 3 or more generations back in the ped.........and the other dogs up closer have never been put down with a dog.......

Number 1 I don't trust anydog....by breed alone...I only trust dogs I know well enough to know what they'll do most of the time.....secondly the only bulldogs I trust are those bred for performance by people that know what they're doing....most cats out there breeding dogs now have no idea....they breed for nose and coat color, size and certain bone structure dogs bred for performance have to have a certain level of stability......and as such are less likely to be man aggressive even though you get some very man aggressive ones from time to time........

Like I said before .....and will continue to say......I wish that the general public never had access to these dogs......if the majority of owners were dogmen.....men who used their dogs for their intended purpose we wouldn't have all these problems with dogs biting folk and such..........it's the general public and the backyard breeder in my opinion who has caused all the problems with these dogs and are responsible for the insane laws now being passed in many states.........I see them everyday.......

Again Joyce it's good you have dogs and seem to kind of know how to handle them .(can't say one way or another since I don't know you ) but a couple of things you can do to get more knowledge is get a couple of books if you want I can recommend some .......

also like I said earlier.....if you really want to know what your dogs were bred down from I'll give you my email address and you can email me the peds or I can give you a link where you can enter them and I'll look it over and tell you exactly what you have......I've done dogs most of my life and know what's what.....if you look at the peds of my dogs it's like reading a history book of Champions, Grand Champions, ROMs and known bad dogs and producers...from the present time back to the late 1800's and early 1900's when some of the dogs came here


MississippiRed


Thanks for the info. Now I understand more clearly. To the left is a picture of my red nosed pit. LOL even his toenail are a dark reddish appearance. He was given to us by a man who raised champion reds. I don't know as much about pitbulls as you but everyone who has seen Noah, who have shown dogs at dog shows says without a doubt he is what I was told he is. In fact, a couple of them said I should take him to shows. But I'm not that into dogs like that. Moreover, I did not do the necessary things to get him registered. To me a dog is a dog and when it comes down to it a pitbull is a mixed breed anyway. That's what brought him into existence in the first place.

I have often wondered why Noah and Ice were built differently if they were both pitbulls. Noah (the red nosed pit pictured) is more muscular in build and when he runs he reminds you of a greyhound as far speed is concerned. The bull terrier (no longer called a pit...smile) is thicker but not as muscular and certainly does not posses the speed and agility of Noah. Yet Ice is meaner towards other dogs...thus he could never run freely in a dog park.

Yes, you are right there are too many backyard dog raisers. What one thinks is a pitbull is not nothing but a mutt. I even know of one pitbull farm (located in the state of Calif.) to breed them with another dog that is even more vicious than a pitbull...the Presa Canario. Then they sell these dogs as "pitbulls" for over $5,000 to celebrities and other rich folk. But then who can argue since the pitbull came into existence by mixing two breeds.

I will only have this pic of Noah up for a little while as I do not want to offend anyone. Even though he is not aggressive at all towards humans. Bad owners have bad dogs. But he and Ice have to be kept in separate parts of the house or they will kill each other.


Again thanks for enlightening me on my dogs.

Thanks for the info. Now I understand more clearly. To the left is a picture of my red nosed pit. LOL even his toenail are a dark reddish appearance. He was given to us by a man who raised champion reds. I don't know as much about pitbulls as you but everyone who has seen Noah, who have shown dogs at dog shows says without a doubt he is what I was told he is. In fact, a couple of them said I should take him to shows. But I'm not that into dogs like that. Moreover, I did not do the necessary things to get him registered. To me a dog is a dog and when it comes down to it a pitbull is a mixed breed anyway. That's what brought him into existence in the first place.

I have often wondered why Noah and Ice were built differently if they were both pitbulls. Noah (the red nosed pit pictured) is more muscular in build and when he runs he reminds you of a greyhound as far speed is concerned. The bull terrier (no longer called a pit...smile) is thicker but not as muscular and certainly does not posses the speed and agility of Noah. Yet Ice is meaner towards other dogs...thus he could never run freely in a dog park.

Yes, you are right there are too many backyard dog raisers. What one thinks is a pitbull is not nothing but a mutt. I even know of one pitbull farm (located in the state of Calif.) to breed them with another dog that is even more vicious than a pitbull...the Presa Canario. Then they sell these dogs as "pitbulls" for over $5,000 to celebrities and other rich folk. But then who can argue since the pitbull came into existence by mixing two breeds.

I will only have this pic of Noah up for a little while as I do not want to offend anyone. Even though he is not aggressive at all towards humans. Bad owners have bad dogs. But he and Ice have to be kept in separate parts of the house or they will kill each other.


Again thanks for enlightening me on my dogs.


Hey Joyce....glad you got a chance to read my post.....and that is a beautiful dog you got.....like I said though he may be from Champion Show lines ...I don't deal in show dogs but I know people that do.....I deal in performance dogs but regardless the dog from what I can see is a good looking dog......as far as the APBT being a mutt trust me it's not......true it came about by mixing the bulldog to some terrier but that was more than 100 years ago and probably closer to 200 because I can trace my dogs back to the late 1800's ......anyway though a true mutt cannot reproduce itself ...it will make other dogs that look more mixed up than it does...the APBT when bred to other APBT's breeds to type meaning it produces a dog that has the same physical qualities which define the breed.....I have pictures of some of the dogs in my animal's ped and they look just like the dogs that I have now..(not speaking colorwise ...though most of mine carry the same markings ....but structure wise) ....so the APBT is far from a mutt or a jumble of other dogs......I personally believe that the gamedog .....the APBT still in the hands of legitimate dogmen is one of the most purebred dogs in existence today..........there are not many breeds and or breeders who have records or peds and proof of their dogs going back to the time they came over from Ireland or England but we the true APBT fancier do..........so don't let anyone fool you these dogs come from along line of dogs produced way before the general public discovered them...........Again love the picture of the dog.....he looks real nice....and I don't register dogs either but for different reasons however I keep detailed peds and pics of all my dogs so as long as you keep your records up it's smooth.........if you ever have a question or need any dog help holla......I more than likely can help out......


MississippiRed
YIS

Hey Joyce....glad you got a chance to read my post.....and that is a beautiful dog you got.....like I said though he may be from Champion Show lines ...I don't deal in show dogs but I know people that do.....I deal in performance dogs but regardless the dog from what I can see is a good looking dog......as far as the APBT being a mutt trust me it's not......true it came about by mixing the bulldog to some terrier but that was more than 100 years ago and probably closer to 200 because I can trace my dogs back to the late 1800's ......anyway though a true mutt cannot reproduce itself ...it will make other dogs that look more mixed up than it does...the APBT when bred to other APBT's breeds to type meaning it produces a dog that has the same physical qualities which define the breed.....I have pictures of some of the dogs in my animal's ped and they look just like the dogs that I have now..(not speaking colorwise ...though most of mine carry the same markings ....but structure wise) ....so the APBT is far from a mutt or a jumble of other dogs......I personally believe that the gamedog .....the APBT still in the hands of legitimate dogmen is one of the most purebred dogs in existence today..........there are not many breeds and or breeders who have records or peds and proof of their dogs going back to the time they came over from Ireland or England but we the true APBT fancier do..........so don't let anyone fool you these dogs come from along line of dogs produced way before the general public discovered them...........Again love the picture of the dog.....he looks real nice....and I don't register dogs either but for different reasons however I keep detailed peds and pics of all my dogs so as long as you keep your records up it's smooth.........if you ever have a question or need any dog help holla......I more than likely can help out......


MississippiRed
YIS

Hi M - Red,

I thought a mutt was anything that was mixed with two different dogs, but your explanation really helped me to understand the difference. That's right, you arrive at the same result time after time, whereas with mutts, you never know what will be the outcome until it has come.

Yes, if I have any questions about dogs I will be glad to send them your way. I just recently spared the life of a pitbull that had parvo. He was practically a walking dead dog, but now after 3 weeks, all of his weight is back and he lives happily ever after. How many pitbulls do you own?

Hey Joyce....glad you got a chance to read my post.....and that is a beautiful dog you got.....like I said though he may be from Champion Show lines ...I don't deal in show dogs but I know people that do.....I deal in performance dogs but regardless the dog from what I can see is a good looking dog......as far as the APBT being a mutt trust me it's not......true it came about by mixing the bulldog to some terrier but that was more than 100 years ago and probably closer to 200 because I can trace my dogs back to the late 1800's ......anyway though a true mutt cannot reproduce itself ...it will make other dogs that look more mixed up than it does...the APBT when bred to other APBT's breeds to type meaning it produces a dog that has the same physical qualities which define the breed.....I have pictures of some of the dogs in my animal's ped and they look just like the dogs that I have now..(not speaking colorwise ...though most of mine carry the same markings ....but structure wise) ....so the APBT is far from a mutt or a jumble of other dogs......I personally believe that the gamedog .....the APBT still in the hands of legitimate dogmen is one of the most purebred dogs in existence today..........there are not many breeds and or breeders who have records or peds and proof of their dogs going back to the time they came over from Ireland or England but we the true APBT fancier do..........so don't let anyone fool you these dogs come from along line of dogs produced way before the general public discovered them...........Again love the picture of the dog.....he looks real nice....and I don't register dogs either but for different reasons however I keep detailed peds and pics of all my dogs so as long as you keep your records up it's smooth.........if you ever have a question or need any dog help holla......I more than likely can help out......


MississippiRed
YIS

Hi M - Red,

I thought a mutt was anything that was mixed with two different dogs, but your explanation really helped me to understand the difference. That's right, you arrive at the same result time after time, whereas with mutts, you never know what will be the outcome until it has come.

Yes, if I have any questions about dogs I will be glad to send them your way. I just recently spared the life of a pitbull that had parvo. He was practically a walking dead dog, but now after 3 weeks, all of his weight is back and he lives happily ever after. How many pitbulls do you own?

The dog of choice that was used on the black man during the sixties was the german shephard. I grew up threw the sixties and I only knew the mutt as the dog mostly owned by blacks...we just weren't that excited about german shephards...at the time...at least not that I knew of.i hear ya,but in d.c.the shepards were popular.

Hi M - Red,

I thought a mutt was anything that was mixed with two different dogs, but your explanation really helped me to understand the difference. That's right, you arrive at the same result time after time, whereas with mutts, you never know what will be the outcome until it has come.

Yes, if I have any questions about dogs I will be glad to send them your way. I just recently spared the life of a pitbull that had parvo. He was practically a walking dead dog, but now after 3 weeks, all of his weight is back and he lives happily ever after. How many pitbulls do you own?


Hey Joyce,

Anytime, glad I'm able to help.....Yeah Parvo is a monster I had a friend lose almost his whole yard to parvo.....and the APBT is very suseptible to parvo ...babesia is another one you have to watch for...but sounds like you're doing good ......glad to hear you got that dog back right.....make sure your other dogs are up on them parvo vaccines and after being around that other dog with parvo make sure you clean your hands good and even the bottoms of your shoes as that parvo can spread through you walking over it and carrying it into your other dogs space........

Right now I don't have any of my dogs living with me because I'm in an apartment but I'm owner and or part owner right now to 23 dogs if I'm not mistaken but that's puppys, young dogs (any dog between 1 and 2 years old) and grown dogs....and I've been involved with these dogs and hounds and such as far back as I can remember so it's a part of my identity at this point like Mississippi ..know what I mean.....but again any questions don't hesistate .......Have a good one..


MississippiRed
aka
DirtyWork

Hey Joyce,

Anytime, glad I'm able to help.....Yeah Parvo is a monster I had a friend lose almost his whole yard to parvo.....and the APBT is very suseptible to parvo ...babesia is another one you have to watch for...but sounds like you're doing good ......glad to hear you got that dog back right.....make sure your other dogs are up on them parvo vaccines and after being around that other dog with parvo make sure you clean your hands good and even the bottoms of your shoes as that parvo can spread through you walking over it and carrying it into your other dogs space........

Right now I don't have any of my dogs living with me because I'm in an apartment but I'm owner and or part owner right now to 23 dogs if I'm not mistaken but that's puppys, young dogs (any dog between 1 and 2 years old) and grown dogs....and I've been involved with these dogs and hounds and such as far back as I can remember so it's a part of my identity at this point like Mississippi ..know what I mean.....but again any questions don't hesistate .......Have a good one..


MississippiRed
aka
DirtyWork

Whew! Where do you keep them little boogers? That's a lot of dog food honey! I bet one dog sale just covers one month for the rest of the dogs. Do you feed them junk dog food or are they spoiled like mine and eat only the best. Perhaps you give them steak? Ain no dog gettin' my steaks. Noooo baby.

i hear ya,but in d.c.the shepards were popular.


Oh okay...well I know in Alabama or Georgia, you just did not walk down the street proudly with a German Shephard as though he were a trophy or something. I've owned two german shephards. But that was past the sixties though. LOL! Daddy despised them and I clearly understood why. He had passed before I owned my first one. The second one I brought for my 15 year old daughter. However, we had to move to another part of the country and couldn't take him with us.

Whew! Where do you keep them little boogers? That's a lot of dog food honey! I bet one dog sale just covers one month for the rest of the dogs. Do you feed them junk dog food or are they spoiled like mine and eat only the best. Perhaps you give them steak? Ain no dog gettin' my steaks. Noooo baby.


When I had my own place with the room they each had their own chainspace and house......I was feeding them the corn free chicken from costco , but have used Diamond and the walmart brand (same as the one from costco) those foods are good and aren't real expensive along with a daily multivitamin.....about once a week I'd give them raw chicken or jack mackeral out of the can as a treat.....and also would give them cow femurs from the butcher shop...they used to love to see me coming with them big bones and bowl of chicken.....

Nah no steak......and I didn't spoil them but they all had the best nutrition and no I wouldn't give them any junk food.......I guess if I would have sold a do it could have paid for a bit of food but I'm proud to say I've never ever sold a dog to anyone......I do it for love of the breed and their attributes ....not knocking it some of my mentors and friends sell dogs but that's never been my thing....some cats have offered me good money for some of my dogs but I've never accepted and hopefully never will..........


MississippiRed

Hi Red,

Diamond is what I feed my dogs. That is high quality for sho. I use to give them Prestige (very expensive). But then guess what? I found out that Prestige is none other than Diamond...made by the same company, ingredient for ingredient it's the exact same thing.

I worked for Walmart for 5 years and I can tell you that you don't want your dogs eating Sam's Choice dog food. That is pure junk and you would be surprised what they put in that dry dog food to make it a complete meal for your dog...road kills and other yucky things.:cry:

Hi Red,

Diamond is what I feed my dogs. That is high quality for sho. I use to give them Prestige (very expensive). But then guess what? I found out that Prestige is none other than Diamond...made by the same company, ingredient for ingredient it's the exact same thing.

I worked for Walmart for 5 years and I can tell you that you don't want your dogs eating Sam's Choice dog food. That is pure junk and you would be surprised what they put in that dry dog food to make it a complete meal for your dog...road kills and other yucky things.:cry:


Well now that you got me back over here....... yeah I liked that Diamond but liked the Costco better..........yeah I've fed that wally world brand ....but that's when my money was telling jokes (my money was funny) .....I like the costco no corn chicken best though along with the daily multi and once a week raw chicken, turkey or jack mack ...them dogs got everything they needed.........as far as the dog food goes I always look at the whole ingredient list but focus on the first three or four because that's what makes up the bulk of the food if that's cool then it's all smooth.....I talked to my mentor about 4 days ago so looks like I'm about to come into 3 or 4 more dogs ranging from 6 to 14 or so months old......I only wish I could physically have them with me...oh well one day........

MississippiRed
aka
Mr. Comeonbaby

I like cats and gentle dogs.

I know this thread is old, but uhmmm......I don't like dogs. :nono:

I'm a cat lover.

PEACE

I know this thread is old, but uhmmm......I don't like dogs. :nono:

I'm a cat lover.

PEACE


Figures...

thread is old and Isiah seems to have sadly bitten the dust.
but anyway can't stand pitbulls they have to be the ugliest dogs ever.
much perfer German Sheperds huskies and the like.
Have to wonder how popular pitbulls are with brothers in general, gangstas like them for protection and fighting them not sure how popular those ugly dogs are outside of that particular set.

thread is old and Isiah seems to have sadly bitten the dust.
but anyway can't stand pitbulls they have to be the ugliest dogs ever.
much perfer German Sheperds huskies and the like.
Have to wonder how popular pitbulls are with brothers in general, gangstas like them for protection and fighting them not sure how popular those ugly dogs are outside of that particular set.

Would you scale a fence to break into someone's home knowing they have a couple of "pits"?


don't answer...j/k.

Would you scale a fence to break into someone's home knowing they have a couple of "pits"?


don't answer...j/k.
LOL then again I'm not robbing someone with sheps either and their a whole lot better looking.
house breakers usuallly go armed nowadayz so they won't care about what dog is in the yard, whole bunch of criminals are often high so they won't care if you got a tiger or lion in the yard lol.

On a more serious note thing with pits is their crazier than pissed off Grizzles and are just as likely to start fighting their owner as they are anyone else other dogs can guard just as well and are a whole lot less likely to bite the hand that feeds them