"A North Carolina couple is outraged by a book their first-grade daughter brought home from the school library in which a prince finds his true love – in the form of another prince."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37643

This is appalling, what's next? My pastor loves all Gods children, particuliarly little boys? :ohmy:

This is perverse!! Homosexuals are becoming very aggressive with pushing their "agenda" on society. While they have a right to live their lives, it isn't normal, and I reject their attempts to portray it as such. :puke: Incidents like this is why my brother pulled his kids out of public school, I might do the same with mine.

It's nothing short of disgusting. God loves the sinner but hates the sin. That's no empty cliche. That's a truth that is so hard for people to understand because they cannot separate themselves from their actions and desires. We have to teach our children right from wrong. The schools have made it clear they cannot and don't want to uphold God's commandments and we should not be surprised at this incident. Once people break away from God they are free to do whataever is right in their own eyes. That's what it's all about.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37726

In a simular article. This teacher told students he was gay. When he got complaints and negative feed back. He read the schools sexual-harassment code from the student handbook, and tried to say that thru suffarage and discrimination this was not tolerated. This sparked an investigation.

Don't tell. I didn't ask. Not " Don't ask don't tell ". Should be the new slogan.

They are trying to influence us to acept their way of life, but start in on children. This area is going to blow them out of the water. I place this up with this fool here in Cali who claims the national anthem. Containing the slogan " ONE NATION UNDER GOD " violates his right of separation of church and state. Next the argument will be. Take it off the U.S. Dollar.

Our SUPREME court waste our time, and fail again to carry out their purpose by entertaining or considering these foolish topics. There is no real violation of anyone's right because a statement is in an anthem.

I have my reservations on all this flag saluting that don't support black citizens. If we are good enough to take into war, and then return to this nation where those we fought are given more credence than we recieve from our own nation. That is unacceptable. This nation. Don't deserve to be saluted or supported like we support it.

We are hated and mistreated by all those who come upon these shores. One because they see we don't receive the respect from the one we rally with, and because those we rally with don't give it.

Korea, is a good example. Most Koreans have this real hate for black americans. Germans, not all have this hate for black americans. Americans especially those who pledge allegiance to the south carry this to the halls of congress and the supreme court.

The CHANGE IS IN CONGRESS AND THAT SUPREME COURT THAT PROTECTS ATHEIST, AND GAY RIGHTS AND HEAR THESE CASES PROPER, BUT NEVER TAKE UP THE ISSUE OF BLACK RIGHTS.

Our voices aren't heard. We are the invisible nation of people. Under the flag of this false creation of civil rights.

If your an atheist. You worship some GOD. One individual shouldn't have the right to dictate the law for masses. The same thing happened to praying in school. Now I'm not trying to force anything no anyone, but they are doing this with these kind of challenges.

" Let the end be legitimate, let it be within the scope of the constitution, and by all means which are appropriate, which are plainly adapted to that end, which are not prohibited but consistant with the letter and sprit of the constitution, are constitutional. "

The supreme court can't enter into the field of law making. It has extended itself thus far. If the court pretended to annul a law made of Congress made in the field proper to the activity of congress, the court would by that action enter the field of law making.

The inclusion of that statement " One nation under God" was added in the 40's

This why I say. They are in the arena of " bad behavior ".

They should be challenged on their behavior. They also passed laws limiting US as citizens. In education and receiving justice.

You know they can be removed. If they don't perform their duties. They can be removed for " bad behavior " I say they have done this on many occasions. ( Their most important jurisdiction extends to cases arising under the constitution, laws, and treaties of the United States ) . Many abuse the system by claiming their constitutional rights have been violated.

Gay's have been pushing their agenda more lately. The book series of married King's and the second in that series including an extended family is just part of the problem.

Actually my understanding is that the constitution does not give the supreme court any specific right to judge on the laws congress makes. Early on the court took upon itself the role of deciding if the laws congress makes are constitutional and that role just slipped into tradition because the constitution does not say what the role of the court should be. The court has no power to enforce its rulings except the power of popular ascent. Anyone who wants to give the court the power to keep them from praying is free to do so and gladly since the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to God anyway. He does not want to hear the prayers of those who do not wish to pray.

If anyone should be charged with sexual harassment the gays who bring their sexuality into the classroom where sexuality of any kind does not belong are the ones. I can't stand before a group of kids and tell them who I sleep with, can you? I have nothing against treating gays like human beings for that is what they are. But when they push past basic human rights and try to impose their behavior as normal they've gone too far. It would be like me trying to totally replace Standard English with Ebonics for all americans. I mean don't beat me up because I speak Ebonics but that doesn't mean I have the right to force it on everyone else.

I say that I agree with River! I'm a man of God myself and I know that in his word it says that it is indeed an abomination to him. That was the reason Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed. Well wouldn't you know that we are fastly becoming a modern day S and G city? May God have mercy on us. I know what its like to have people be cruel to you or others when they are or misconstrued as being gay and we, that are christian's should love them with the love of Christ, but this is unacceptable. You know that this country may be headed for hell when its being debated whether it can be legal for homosexual/lesbian couples to be married. I pray for the U.S.A and this World!
Peace and Blessings,
~Earthly Allure

That's pretty funny. He waves off all the princesses before settling for Prince Lee? hahaha If people are so outraged then perhaps segregation of people is what they should aspire towards again. Americans should worry more about the VIOLENCE on American television (the news and even programming) and in gangster rap or shock rock music, than something as simple as human nature. To be outraged means you don't agree, but OH WELL. The world will not end because people are demystyfying homosexuality. Give me a break. I have a lesbian friend with 5 children. All of them love their mother and all of them are heterosexual. We need to get over this idea that lesbians and gays are evil and are trying to wrongly-influence. I think this is a positive step towards teaching kids what exists in the world before they see it for themselves in a twisted light. It is a different world today than when we grew up. I think it is a good thing to expalin these things to kids before they see it on TV for themselves or in the movies and take it the wrong way. If we talked to kids more about the dangers of guns and violent irrational behavior maybe they wouldn't mow down their classmates like in Colorado.

So we should not be concerned about homosexuality because of more salient ills in our nation? Kinda like offering the presence of rats as a reason to ignore the termites. No one is saying that homosexuals are evil but the practice of homosexuality is definitely against the laws of God and nature. When homosexuals try to influence little children and have them think homosexuality is normal we are not going to sit tight with this. And it is not a different world. People have always wanted to do what they want to do. As it is written "All of a man's ways are right in his own eyes." And again it is written "There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof are the ways of death." There's nothing new about that.

The bible is not unclear.. it is very clear. The lord loves all, and is saddened by his/her sin... Sinners who choose to use the bible to argue thier point are unwise to do so.

Overview of Romans 1:26-27:
The text reads (in the King James Version):

Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."



... as faggots burning in their lust, entwined?

This is not a matter of debate. I can show you several more examples of the sinful nature of homosexuals.

Raymond

If you believe in the Bible, then why use derogatory curse words to describe a people? That is not a Christian response.

LOL.. I don't know that you would recognize a Christian Response if you saw one. Fagot is a word. If you have a dictionary in your home, (one of the really thick ones) I suggest you open it and look the word up. You might find it way back in that closet that you chose to open, peacefully lying next to your bible.. you will find the term in there as well.

But for your benefit, and to show that I am not being unnecessarily crude, I will provide this:

Here’s how you can see the truth of the matter for yourself.

Look the word ******, or fagot as it is sometimes spelled, up in any dictionary that has been around for at least ten years. You will find that “******” has long been one of the most descriptive and metaphorically rich words in the English language. As you seek out thicker dictionaries, ones that actually define the etymology, the pedigree, of the word ******, you will drill down into the dictionary meaning of a word that might be one of the more important words in the English language.

Why? At its core, the word ****** has from at least the 14th century AD been the English word that described those people who were destined by God to burn in the fires of hell.

It got this meaning because the first meaning of the word ****** was, according to the heaviest compendium of English words around, the Webster’s New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, “a bundle of sticks, twigs or small branches used for fuel…”

Note the burning in the fire imagery associated with the word ******. Drawing the metaphor that grows logically from this core meaning, it should come as no surprise that the fifth meaning assigned by Webster’s New Universal Unabridged to the word ******, a meaning attached to the word during the Protestant Reformation, is, “******:…the punishment of burning at the stake, as for heresy…” Which leads logically then to the sixth meaning which is, “a badge representing a fagot, worn on the sleeve in the Middle Ages by those who had recanted heresy, to show the punishment they had so narrowly escaped.”

The punishment they had so narrowly escaped.

For those of us in the 21st century it is easy to read the fifth and sixth definition noted by Webster and think that “the punishment” the people of the Middle Ages would have thought the fagot (that’s the one with the badge on his/her sleeve) had escaped was the aforementioned “burning at the stake.” That common assumption just goes to show how far most of us have come from actually believing that for unrepentant sinners on the other side of this life awaits an eternity suffering the torments of a hell where the fire never ceases.

If you think about it, and you actually believe in hell, then, if somebody must be executed, burning at the stake makes a lot more sense than lethal injection as a means of alerting the general public to the reality that awaits those who refuse to repent.

It is a shocking exposé of our time to realize how shocked most people are when they realize that there actually was a time in western civilization when a repentant ****** didn’t mind wearing the badge of the ****** because they could smell the stench of their own eternally burning flesh that they had so narrowly escaped.



So there you have it. If you and the administrators of this board choose to take a word away from me, my reality does not change. I won't forget that the word exists. It is hardly crude to use the english language.

(censorship sucks!)

Raymond

Let me sneak very quietly in... :book:

Me being a homosexual female myself twists me in the net. I often have a tendency to believe that most people deem it impossible to find a true love between the same sex, and that being gay/lesbian is simply a product of mixed sin and lust. And does my choice to worship God for loving me throughout all of my wrongdoing make me a hypocrite??? Isn't that what we all do? As every religious person does, we often feel convicted for our sins, and will continue to feel convicted until repentance comes forth. Every incident occuring in the Bible with homosexuality, God has portrayed as vile and devilish, and has therefore righted these wrongs. But just how long was Sodom and Gomorrah in existence before these men became drunken with the need to rape Lot's guest? It wasn't until this depravity was shown that action was taken against Sodom. And also let us not forget NOT ONE SIN IS WORSE THAN ANOTHER . So who are we to judge another's countenance? While beliefs and opinions come naturally, let us not forget that the man who was concerned with the splinter in the other man's eye had caught a plank of wood in his.

By the way, gay literature for an age group who cannot completely comprehend it is not right, but we should not deny them from their awareness that it exists. Gay literature should be conserved for those who relate to the feelings. My feelings about this child's book is strange, but I can say this. We are all a family, black, white, purple, yellow, old, young, gay, straight, uptight or not, WE ARE ONE.

:heart: :heart: PLAY :heart: :heart:

PlayWithIt,

You are absolutely right. I don't feel that the person who struggles with homosexuality is any worse than the person who struggles with illicit heterosexuality (adultery, fornication). The key word here is "struggle." I would never condemn or judge any one who strives to do God's will but fails sometimes because of things they have to deal with in the flesh. I do that sometimes and I'd be lying if I claimed perfection. The argument I am making is against those who make God a liar by saying that they have no sin (1 John 1:8-10). In this case it is not I who judge and condemn but the Word.

PWP,

What of the unrepentant sinner? It is one thing to have an unholy attraction, but to act on it repeatedly, then to teach it to children, to extol it's virtue, to revel in the pleasure and claim it as a gift from God, knowing full well that it is a curse given by the evil one... how Will this man or woman be judged?

Ezekiel 3:17 "Son of man, I have made you a watchman to the house of Israel; therefore hear the word at My mouth and give them warning from ME."

In Chapter 9:4,5,6 the Lord sends the angel into the midst of the city to set a mark upon the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in the midst of it. To the others He tells the angel to smite and not to have pity. The angel was to begin at His sanctuary and they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.

Revelations talks about this same mark in the foreheads of God's people.

But we have been told that this isn't the Love of God. Well, there is a part of God that hates sin. There is a part of God that is judgment. Where do you stand? Are you one of those who sigh and groan over the abominations that are being committed now? Judgment began at the sanctuary. (9:6) The leaders (pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets and apostles) will be the first to know the judgment of the Lord. Chapter 11:1-2, 13

For those who experience that which they desire without thought to the plight of eternal damnation, I pity you. Do I love you as God's creature.. of course I do.. but I regret the choices you have made. And so, do I fear, will you.

Raymond

... as faggots burning in their lust, entwined?

... Fagot is a word. ... If you and the administrators of this board choose to take a word away from me, my reality does not change. I won't forget that the word exists. It is hardly crude to use the english language.

(censorship sucks!)

Brother Captain Ray ... Hello and Welcome. I've enjoyed reading the majority of your posts to the community, thanks for joining us and sharing your opinions. Unfortunately, disrespectful and demeaning words are not allowed here. If you'd like to continue posting, please keep this in mind. Thanks a bunch.

:heart:

Destee

I understand your concern, and will respect your wishes.

I will have to think seriously about my involvement here though. It is my nature to reject unecessary censorship. You get to make the rules as you see fit. I would not presume to tell you how to run your board.

The term I used (I will not use it again here so as not to offend) was used in context. It was meant to reflect a "bundle of sticks." (burning.. hence the metaphore) I was very particular in the way that I used the term. It is english, and properly used. It is also a paraphrased verse from the Old Testemant. I could see the warning had I used it as an expletive. I did not use it in a way that was derrogitory though, which is why I took the time to post a brief explanation.

People often take exception to words Destee.. some times rightfully, some times not. For instance I don't think the term "Uppity Negro" is something I would like to be called. Yet we find that an entire web-site is devoted to how empowering the term is to those who wish to be empowered by it. Then, when an innocouous word like... like the one I used... is objected to, not-withstanding that it was used in an entirely different context, the knee jerk reaction is to place a world filter on a series of letters in the alphabet. Never mind that the bible has the same phrase I posted... it somehow seems objectionable.

Hey, that's life.. No hard feelings.

Raymond

I understand your concern, and will respect your wishes.

Thank you very much.

:heart:

Destee

You are welcome.. and now there must be something more fun to post about around here.. I would post poetry, but unfortunately I am as about as poetic as a Galapagos turtle.. I will have to think something up....

;)

Raymond

Brother Ray:

If it helps I'd like to say that it was your word choice that was censored, not your opinion. One of the principle purposes of this website is to provide a place where black people could have intelligient & civil discussions, where one would not be personally attacked for their beliefs.

In terms of your personal views towards homosexuality, many people share them. I myself do not support the homosexual lifestyle, and have said so numberous times on this forum. While I respect homosexuals as individuals, I draw the line at them trying to portray & promote their lifestyle as normal. As I said in my original reply to this thread, I feel a childrens book about homosexuality is perverse. Children are very impressionable, and don't need to be exposed to those types of images at such an early age.

I don't use religion to back those beliefs, however. Although I am a Christian, and the Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin (pointing out that there are other sins in the Bible, doesn't change this fact). In truth religion can divide as much as it can unite. If I am debating that murder & theft is wrong, what purpose is my quoting the Bible as my source if I am talking to a Muslim, Hindu, or atheist.

Similiarly I don't have to reach for scripture to disagree with homosexuality. This lifestyle is counterproductive, and of little societal benefit. Homosexuality can not produce children, and as a result can not help build & sustain societies. This nation's obession with homosexualty is perveting relationships & families: From men being obsessed with bi-sexual women (a fantasy which I seem to be the only man who doesn't get turned on by the idea). To the recent hot topic of DL brothers. These lifestyles are further dividing the traditional family, and they are creating a choatic environment for our children, who in turn raise their children with a warped sense of family & society.

I agree. The scriptures do not condemn homosecuality for no reason or simply to excercise God's authority. There is something intrinsically vile and disruptive about homosexuality that is evident to any unbiased observer.

In his book, Healing the Masculine Soul, Gordon Dalby describes homosexuality as not only a sin but a lie. Men who did not have a positive relationship with their fathers misinterpret this emotional need for male affection and acceptance as need for sex. For many men sex is the only acceptable expression of emotional needs when in reality what they are fealing is the child in them crying out for his father. The same can be said about some women who did not have a good relaltionship with their mothers. Certainly, turning to homosexuality is not the only result of unfulfilling child/parent relations but in such relationships the result is usually some kind of sexual dysfunction and homosexuality is one of them.

Jesus said He came to heal the broken hearted and to set at liberty those who are bruised. If the homosexual turns to God He will do what He promised. It may not be easy and instant deliverance from the urge but it will be a healing and liberating move toward the creataor. Unfortunately that bruised and frightened child within is seen as weak so the adult suppresses the child's cry and applies "adult" remedies and attitudes that crush the human spirit. For the child is the spirit as Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of Heaven." He said unless we release the child within and turn it over to God to apply His remedies we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.

I guess it is easy for AFRICANS to feel comfortable accepting the Christian religion since it has been rammed down our throats and every other possible orifice by GUESS WHO? I am tired of Bible-banging wannabes. So the word F*gg*t is not OK, but the concept condoned? Live by the rules of your "Christian" faith. Hypocricy is a favorite pastime of many. YAWNNNN.

Actually, Christianity was in Africa before it was in Europe. Of course the white man claimed it as his own as he does everything else that is good. I will not abandon my relationship with Jesus Christ just because some people buy into the lie that it is the white man's religion. The white man has NOTHING that he originated. I am the one who is tired of people who insist that Christianity came from the white man. Nothing came from the white man. Because he put his flag on the moon is it now the white man's moon?

It is not hypocritical to eschew calling someone a f****t and yet not approve of what certain people do. That word says that it is the person I don't approve of and if I don't approve of the person then I don't approve of his/her Creator. That doesn't mean I have to approve of everything that person does. If you believe that then why are you criticizing me since you think everything I do should be approved of or else you will call me names to show you are not a hypocrit?

Panafrica writes:

men being obsessed with bi-sexual women (a fantasy which I seem to be the only man who doesn't get turned on by the idea).

LOL.. It is so funny you said that.. I was joking around with a friend about this, and I told him If I am ever lucky enough to find two women who want to have sex with me at the same time.. (figure the odds on that ever happening) I want them to pay attention to me! (Hey, it's my fantasy!) If they start foolin' around with each other... well... what am I supposed to do?! One of those girls has got to go! LMBO

River...

I agree with you completely. I am not so delicate in the way that I say things though.

I guess, in my view of things, there is no doubt. That is where I butt heads with Gay people. Sure, they can be nice neighbors, they can be friendly and productive people, they can work toward the general benefit of man... but will they ever see the glory of the Pearly Gates? The book I have been reading says no. Isn't it irresponsible, however indelicate my methods may be, not to attempt to minister to these people? Aren't I obliged to at least let them know that the decisions they are making are antithetical to Christian teaching? It's not like I require them to listen.. However, it seems that it is incumbent upon me to not sugar coat the word just to make a sinner feel better about his/her sin.

Raymond

Actually, Christianity was in Africa before it was in Europe. Of course the white man claimed it as his own as he does everything else that is good. I will not abandon my relationship with Jesus Christ just because some people buy into the lie that it is the white man's religion. The white man has NOTHING that he originated. I am the one who is tired of people who insist that Christianity came from the white man. Nothing came from the white man. Because he put his flag on the moon is it now the white man's moon?

You are absolutely right River!!! Christianity was in Africa before it was in Europe, in places like Axum (which has been a Christian civilization since the 4th century AD). In addition the Bantu of Africa (a people spread throughout Sub-Saharan Africa) claim to be descendants of the Hebrew, and this claim was genetically proven in a scientific study conducted several years ago. The Christian God has been worship in Africa at least since the days of Solomon's encounter with the legendary Queen of Sheba, if not before. Indeed, the white man did not introduce Christianity to Africa, and this religion does not belong to them. I have discussed the kingdom of Axum in depth on the religion forum.

I guess it is easy for AFRICANS to feel comfortable accepting the Christian religion since it has been rammed down our throats and every other possible orifice by GUESS WHO? I am tired of Bible-banging wannabes. So the word F*gg*t is not OK, but the concept condoned? Live by the rules of your "Christian" faith. Hypocricy is a favorite pastime of many. YAWNNNN.

PHIESTY ONE ... going around our banned word feature, to say banned words ... all in your first post ... will get you banned from here. Please don't do this again.

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Destee

Hi Panafrica,

Mad props to you, Brother. I will find your thread on Axom and read it.

In fact it would not be possible for the white man to do anything but try to steal someone else's religion since no prophet was sent to Eutope. How can there be a religion without a prophet. As the Apostle Paul says "How can they believe in Him of whom they have not heard and how can they hear without a preacher and how can they preach unless they be sent?" The yellow man has Buddha. The black man has Muhammed. The brown man has Krishna (sp?). The red man shares in the heritage of the yellow and brown man. But to the white man no prophet was sent. He has nothing of his own which came from God.

But to the white man no prophet was sent. He has nothing of his own which came from God.


That seems to me to be a pretty cynical point of view. I certainly don't believe that. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins... That is in the book.

Raymond

What is the name of the prophet that was sent to the white man? William the Conqueror? Alexander the Great? Atilla the Hun? Tell me his name and I will stand corrected.

His name was Jesus.

If you think that Jesus had brown skin, that's arguable. If you think his message was only meant for Africans.. that's outrageous!


Raymond

I did not say Jesus' message is only for Africans. Jesus is the light of the world Who gives light to every man that is born into the world. But we are talking here about mere prophets. As a prophat Jesus says of Himslf that he was sent to the house of Israel. He was born into the world as a Jew. But He is the only begotten Son of God and I do not put Him on the same level with Buddha and Muhammed who are prephets and nothing more. Like John the Baptist they were sent to prepare the people for the Lord but like John the Baptist their message was incomplete.

That's pretty funny. He waves off all the princesses before settling for Prince Lee? hahaha If people are so outraged then perhaps segregation of people is what they should aspire towards again. Americans should worry more about the VIOLENCE on American television (the news and even programming) and in gangster rap or shock rock music, than something as simple as human nature. To be outraged means you don't agree, but OH WELL. The world will not end because people are demystyfying homosexuality. Give me a break. I have a lesbian friend with 5 children. All of them love their mother and all of them are heterosexual. We need to get over this idea that lesbians and gays are evil and are trying to wrongly-influence. I think this is a positive step towards teaching kids what exists in the world before they see it for themselves in a twisted light. It is a different world today than when we grew up. I think it is a good thing to expalin these things to kids before they see it on TV for themselves or in the movies and take it the wrong way. If we talked to kids more about the dangers of guns and violent irrational behavior maybe they wouldn't mow down their classmates like in Colorado.

In my opinion this is an excellent way of educating our children in a world (anywhere in the world) where homosexuality and lesbianism is real. Fundamental christians can call it whatever they want. I don't disrespect others religious views. However, it's real. Your children are not going to grow up in a society where it doesn't get seen, talked or done! I would rather educate them and let them make up their own minds, then for me to influence another's freedom of choice. Who knows maybe one of those children someone is telling are going to burn in hell are having those kinds of feelings? We are here to help, guide, educate. Not to judge, kill, allinate and destroy. Suicide rates among the youth are due in a large degree to homosexual and lesbian issues, especially within the black communities. When are we as a people going to stand up and realize it is very real, even within our own back yards? How dare we as a community destroy one another? I don't care what sexual preference someone has, I look at their souls, the essence of who they are a person. Whom they sleep with is of no concern to me!

Shadow aka lady bastet

I agree. The scriptures do not condemn homosecuality for no reason or simply to excercise God's authority. There is something intrinsically vile and disruptive about homosexuality that is evident to any unbiased observer.

In his book, Healing the Masculine Soul, Gordon Dalby describes homosexuality as not only a sin but a lie. Men who did not have a positive relationship with their fathers misinterpret this emotional need for male affection and acceptance as need for sex. For many men sex is the only acceptable expression of emotional needs when in reality what they are fealing is the child in them crying out for his father. The same can be said about some women who did not have a good relaltionship with their mothers. Certainly, turning to homosexuality is not the only result of unfulfilling child/parent relations but in such relationships the result is usually some kind of sexual dysfunction and homosexuality is one of them.

Jesus said He came to heal the broken hearted and to set at liberty those who are bruised. If the homosexual turns to God He will do what He promised. It may not be easy and instant deliverance from the urge but it will be a healing and liberating move toward the creataor. Unfortunately that bruised and frightened child within is seen as weak so the adult suppresses the child's cry and applies "adult" remedies and attitudes that crush the human spirit. For the child is the spirit as Jesus said "of such is the kingdom of Heaven." He said unless we release the child within and turn it over to God to apply His remedies we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.


This is scary, this mans' opinion of homosexual/lesbian behavior. He is not God, and the bible was written by man. We do not truely know what is the "truth". This outlook on homosexuality/lesbianism also is very narrow. Not everyone is religious. Most are spiritual. I am spiritual, I believe in a supreme being. I believe that the creator is about love and order. I do not believe that every single thing on this earth was meant to be the same. Look at the diversity we have within our world. I find it sad that so many of us will condemn and write off individuals who are different. This is the same thing that happened with slavery. Have we learned anything?! Homosexuality/lesbianism is not a European concept!! It dates back within many african, asian, indian, arab, jewish, mexican, cuban, communities. This list can go on and on. I feel that we should try and take an educational approach to this issue when dealing with children, and not get them caught up into the same dysfunctional behavior we have either found ourselves or others caught up in for centuries.

Shadow

Lady,

According to your logic someone should write a book for childrlen depicting prostitution and incest as normal. After all it's out there, right. These books are not about education. They are propaganda pure and simkple

Lady,

According to your logic someone should write a book for childrlen depicting prostitution and incest as normal. After all it's out there, right. These books are not about education. They are propaganda pure and simkple


Well, my logic works best for me, it doesn't have to include others. If intellect serves me correctly River, I do believe THIS post is about homosexual book for children. It is not about incest or prostitution. This is about a book that was geared toward our youth. Now if books about these other two topics that you threw in here were to be geared toward our youth, then I would have an opinion about that as well, but it certaintly would not slander, judge or discredit others. Homosexuality does not = prosititution or incest. These situations rear their ugly heads all by themselves, and for different reasons I might add. Who are you or anyone else to say what is normal and what isn't? Who appointed YOU or anyone else to be the judge and jury? Did God give you or anyone else this authority? The white man doesn't see YOU or any other person of color as normal, cause your skin is darker than his, does this make it so? I think we should exercise a little bit more humilty within ourselves before we raise that american flag and pull out that leather bible. That is what love is. Someone you may know who is very close to you may be gay. How do you think that way of thinking would make them feel? How does it feel when someone rejects you for the choices you make in this life? Humilty, love, compassion and reaching out to others with a genuine spirit is what I think the supreme creator would want us to do.

More of my logic...
Peace, stay in the light, it shines in more than one spot!

Shadow

I did not say I reject gay people. If you think I said that you have not read my post. As far as how I feel when people reject me because of the choices I make I don't put myself up on a pedestal where I can bear no criticism and do no wrong. It is funny that you should speak of humility and yet think that everyone must approve of what you do. I am not judging the human worth and value of gay people. They are people just like me. At the same time I will not approve of them imposing their sexual choices on my children as if it is normal. It is not normal. The school system even gives me a right to decide if my child can receive heterosexual sex education so why should they be able to expose my child to homosexuality without my permission? The way you choose to live your life is your business but when you try to impose it on me and my children it becomes my business.

Lady Bastet, my sister, there's no need to address ignorance. People will have their opinion regardless of the what we think. I agree with you 300%. I find some of the episodes on QAF interesting as they address certain issues regarding the fact that sexuality has nothing to do with raising children right or wrong. There are plenty of hetero people who fail at that task.

Greetings and welcome Gay Marriage! We hope you enjoy your time with us here.

Without fail, each time the subject of gays and lesbians is raised in this community, the discussion gets heated. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about this and any other topic. Please keep in mind, however, that each person that shares an opinion here, should do so with courtesy and respect and not the opposite. The subject in this thread is not about prostitution or incest and I haven't read anyone suggesting that it is or should be. Please don't judge or attack someone else's opinion, just keep the discussion civil.

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Queenie :spinstar:

Hi Queenie,

Yes and I am not sure why she thinks I thought the subject was about prostitution and incest. I was merely comparing the logic that she was using to someone writing a book on those subjects using the same line of reasoning that if those things are out there then our kids should be exposed to them whick is the argument she was making about why they should be exposed to homosexuality. Although I have many times made it clear that I am not judging them and the way they live is their business but I reserve the right to decide what my children should and should not be exposed to just as the schools must get my permission before giving my child heterosecual sex education. Now they are saying that I am ignorant simply because I don't see things the way they do. I don't think that is being very respectful.

Even God gives her the right to choose not to believe and to live and raise her children as an unbeliever but does she think that I don't have the same choice to believe Him and to live and raise my children according to His word? She can trot out that tired argument about man writing the Bible. It doesn't matter. She has made her choice and I have made mine. So I guess the best we can do is agree to disagree.

I am a Gay Black Male, and I continue to be mystified at the blatant homophobia that exists within our community. The Bible has a great deal to say about MANY different subjects, not just homosexuality. For example, I know that slavery is condoned in the Bible, but does that make it right in our day and age? If you're going to hate people, hate them, but don't hide behind the Bible and your interpretations of the word of God. He isn't about hate.

Brother Ray:

If it helps I'd like to say that it was your word choice that was censored, not your opinion. One of the principle purposes of this website is to provide a place where black people could have intelligient & civil discussions, where one would not be personally attacked for their beliefs.

In terms of your personal views towards homosexuality, many people share them. I myself do not support the homosexual lifestyle, and have said so numberous times on this forum. While I respect homosexuals as individuals, I draw the line at them trying to portray & promote their lifestyle as normal. As I said in my original reply to this thread, I feel a childrens book about homosexuality is perverse. Children are very impressionable, and don't need to be exposed to those types of images at such an early age.

I don't use religion to back those beliefs, however. Although I am a Christian, and the Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin (pointing out that there are other sins in the Bible, doesn't change this fact). In truth religion can divide as much as it can unite. If I am debating that murder & theft is wrong, what purpose is my quoting the Bible as my source if I am talking to a Muslim, Hindu, or atheist.

Similiarly I don't have to reach for scripture to disagree with homosexuality. This lifestyle is counterproductive, and of little societal benefit. Homosexuality can not produce children, and as a result can not help build & sustain societies. This nation's obession with homosexualty is perveting relationships & families: From men being obsessed with bi-sexual women (a fantasy which I seem to be the only man who doesn't get turned on by the idea). To the recent hot topic of DL brothers. These lifestyles are further dividing the traditional family, and they are creating a choatic environment for our children, who in turn raise their children with a warped sense of family & society.


Well put Brother Pan...I understand exactly where Captain Ray is coming from. He expressed it beautifully and eloquently. No, the homosexual lifestyle has no place in childrens books...point blank. I couldn't have said it better myself!

If the book is providing instructions for being homosexual... well I don't care. Nice to know my tax dollars are providing sex ed classes. Yeah.

If the book is promoting homosexuality... well I'd be confused. Not sure why any one manifestation of sexuality needs promotion. But I guess that's ok too since it would take more than a book to make a child no matter how impresionable sexually one way or another.

If the book is resource to educate children about the existence of homosexual people and how they differ from hetereosexuals then I'm all for it! Kids need to know what is sexually normal and that homosexuality is within the realm of what is normal. Once again, nice to know my tax dollar are actually being used for something worthwhile instead of blowing up children and paying $10,000,000 for hammers for the Pentagon.

Too bad they didn't have that in sex ed when I was a kid. Good too see at least someone is coming to grips with human sexuality enough to put out a book for kids.

Well put Brother Pan...I understand exactly where Captain Ray is coming from. He expressed it beautifully and eloquently. No, the homosexual lifestyle has no place in childrens books...point blank. I couldn't have said it better myself!

Sex ed has a place in our schools and since some ppl have sex with members of the same sex then fairly objective information about this belongs in the curriculum. Period.

And, uh, I'm not sure it's a "lifestyle". There appears to be a biological basis for homosexuality. That's like saying being Black is a lifestyle choice. A lifestyle is what the Amish have, what ppl who buy furniture from IKEA have. I'm pretty sure that isn't what gay folks have.

"A North Carolina couple is outraged by a book their first-grade daughter brought home from the school library in which a prince finds his true love – in the form of another prince."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37643

Well, I'm one of those types that: 1) is no longer a Christian, so I don't judge what is moral by the Bible, 2) thinks gayness is something a person is born with. Yet, I do not agree with homosexuals 'exposing' their lifestyle to young children. It is inappropriate and just not necessary. Things like this are just going to confuse children, who don't have a well-defined sense of sexuality anyway.

Whether gays want to admit it or not, their lifestyle, even if they are programmed to be that way is still rare. Most boys and girls when they grow up to be men and women will be heterosexual. If as adults they discover they are gay, then let them deal with it at that time. Right now just let them be kids!

There is another book geared towards young kids ... it's called The Sissy Duckling ... kinda like the book the ugly duckling. This book I passed in a children's bookstore while shopping for books for my much younger siblings. I saw the title and thought it was kinda funny and I picked it up to read it. As I read it I realized that this book wasn't poorly titled. It was a story of a duckling who was different than all the other boy ducklings ... he liked to bake cakes and play with dolls rather than play sports. The father duck couldn't stand his son's behavior and was embarrassed by all the comments other ducks made about his son. To make a long story short ... the duckling triumphed and all the other ducklings and ducks accepted him, his father loved him again ... on the last page rather than being a football player he was a cheerleader for the football team. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, maybe it's good that children are taught tolerance at a young age ... then the very next day I was watching T.V. scrolling through the guide and the animated 30 minute version of the same book I had just seen the day before was on the kid's HBO.


http://store.yahoo.com/villagebooks-mtshasta/sissyduckling.html