Hello all. I know we've all heard debates regarding marijuana. Do you think it is as harmful as sources say? Do you think it should be legalized? Is it any worse than alcohol or tabacco? Any views are appreciated. :smokin:

i think that mary-ja-wanna is relativly harmless....but don't get it twisted that doesn't mean ima do it....i just don't think that i could see myself sitting in a corner contemplating the DIVINE SOURCE of a peice of string...it also zones u out to much, making u unalert, and i don't like that at all, unlike some, i perfer to be alert about ALL my surroundings...ya dig?

Peace


There's nothing wrong with the "herb". Some religions use it for spiritual reasons. It's also used for medical reasons plus, many Afrikan and Native American cultures have been using this plant since the beginning of time. Like Peter Tosh said "LEAGALIZE IT!" :smokin:

it may be true and all but i have always felt it was not as good for the human body
where it may help medically it's harmful to other parts like entering the brain cells
it's no worse then other harmful stuff like tabacco & alcohol it should be banned
the use of it leads many too harder addition and drugs once this no longer give that
feelings one seeks, this herbal plant can be harmful to the body organs but i heard
it was good for the eyes and other parts as it hurt parts of a human body ...........

I love to hear more on this as i learn .

Hey, thanks for the responses. I don't think, in my opinion, that it is any worse than tobacco or alcohol. Actually, I have heard and read just the opposite. I've read that it is less harmful than alcohol or tabacco. Alcohol and tabacco hurt other parts of the body and are more addictive than marijuana. Alcohol damages organs and causes liver disease. Tabacco causes lung cancer, bronchitis and emphysemia. One out of every two heavy smokers are killed by tabacco. Marijuana could affect the respiratory system if used heavy over a long period of time...from what I have read. Also, it lower ambitions if used a lot. Of course there are studies to support either fact. I don't think that it should be ilegal if alcohol and tabacco are so easy to get.

my view is...
roll dat ish...
lite dat ish....
smoke it....word
one love
khasm

Why is it that some folk in our community continue to perpetuate this love affair with marijuana ??? If I hear one more comic on BET or one more rap/hip hop song endorsing it's usage... lawd have mercy. The worst part about it is that these are the very people that alot of our youngin's idolize and look to for examples of what it is to be kewl or "down" . But these so-called celebrities shouldn't shoulder all the blame. It's right up there in the running with PS2 and XBox for the most favored past time of basement dwelling ambitionless short term memory loss suffering older brothers, cousins, and uncles across america :huh:

Although it may not seem very harmful physically, weed has been shown to be the gate way drug for narcotics such as crack and heroine. Most folk don't just start off shooting up or hitting the pipe. So ultimately it could prove to be very dangerous.

However, in the case of folk who are suffering the extreme pain of terminal cancer, AIDS, MS, and other fatal conditions, I believe they should be allowed to utilize it for it's analgesic effect without risk or worry of prosecution or persecution.


Much Peace,
Akilah :spinstar:

NOT NOT NOT NOT fooks are like this :driveby: :driveby: :driveby:
:driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby:

and you have to go ... :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

to have a normal conversation.....

I agree only in casses of ilness....heavy pain yes..
and maybe ones in while.....
but not everyday...

like i said before people turn into weed plants...

The other day one of the producers took the work over for one day
of another producer i was working with...
and he was stoned and had blowed that day....

He messed the whole production and song up....

and i said where were you!.... :ohmy: :star:
on what planet were you....? :ohmy: :star:
not the same as mine...

sometimes they say that trough smoking weed artistical expressions are getting better.....

Somethimes Yes....
but somethimes defenatly not!



:grouphug: l

Lovelibertylady



:grouphug: ...

when this no long get one where they like to be it lead
to the deeper side of drugs bad for ya health in many way
JUST SAY NO !!!!

The tap water from your sink is harmful
Legalize it, it ain’t go’n away
This can also keep a lot of our people
From go’n to prison

The “warming labels” are on cigarettes

we came through the 60's, we know
first hand what it did for the "movement"
and meditation

Like our dear brother Bob Marley stated
"Legalize it!"

Other countries have


Revolutionary Luv!!!

i have wondered though what would happend if i took a sip......(wont)

i dont think its good.....

i think i would probebly think i could fly.....

thinking about it..

I dont need that stuff to think that.....






Did you know that you can get high to if you are in a room where there is to much smoke...
it happend to me one time....
and i saw strange things like ananas with Nike s and pumma,s on....
and one was holding a umbrella and was dancing in the rain..


and said ""wanna join me mmm? "' you like that huh''





O h yeah i got a new name for our country ""Holland "' ""WEEDLAND"' :driveby:




(just kidding)'




Lovelibertylady..

Personally, I would not smoke it because the smell of it causes me to have
bad sinnus attacks. I feel that it should be legalized for medicinal purposes only. From what I know, marijuana causes hair cells to stop growing and eventually fall out. Also, it can clog ur ear drum with fluid and impair ur hearing if use everyday. I'm not saying that it's bad, but it shouldn't portrayed as if it's so immaculately great.

I don't know how enhaling smoke into your lungs is good for you. That's just me. I have friends that smoke, and at first, it really didn't affect them. But after years of use, I can see a major difference. A friend of mine was one of the best ball players I know...not anymore. Since he started smoking, and smoking a regular basis, his skills have diminished. He's not as sharp as he use to be.

I know that many Afrikan and Native American cultures used herbs in some religious ceremonies. But how many people actually use it for those purposes? I don't know whether it should be legal or not, but I don't know how it could be healthy for you.

I think that it does have it's harmful qualities, as do so many things in life, legal or not legal. I think that if alcohol and tabacco can be made legal then so should marijuana. As nubian goddess put it, cigarettes are legal as long as the warning label is on it. Why not marijuana? If it's in the privacy of your home, taking others into consideration, not to smoke in public and in front of kids, then why not. I have heard that it is a gateway drug, but I'm not sure if that is correct, just in my opinion. Maybe there is something to it. I have never heard of anyone getting hooked on weed, or overdosing on it. I think moderation is the key also. Anything that is done too much will be harmful, but in my opinion, that doesn't mean it has to be illegal.

nada thang wrong if used in moderation by adults.

children need to leave it alone cuz i don't believe most of them have strong self control.


:yo: :grouphug: :yo:

Yes And No.

I believe that it should be legalized for "controlled" use only. There are many who suffer greatly (terminally ill patients) and it has been proven by doctors to ease suffering.

However,

Being a former "pothead" with a severe addiction, I wouldn't wish that on no one. In an uncontrolled environment such as mine was, I became psychologically addicted to the point that I have begun to sell it on the side. Now some may say that I had a weak mind, but this won't happen to them. :smokin:

Marijuana doesn’t care who you are, or where you’re from. It just knows that you’re going to be another VICTIM.


No mind can subject itself to this powerful herb and not be influenced by it in some negative way or other...trust me. Almost everyday, I was getting high. My personality/temperment changed subtly and my whole life begin to evolve around this grassy substance. I came to the point where nothing mattered but partying and other such vain things. I had no desire to better myself by going to college. I was in college but I dropped out because of the effects and influence that marijuana was having on my life. :uhoh: With my alcohol habit included and cigarettes, I was shelling out a lot of bucks as a single woman. I needed help but was too proud to go get it...so it came to me. :angel: Someone cared enough to share the gospel with me and walk me through my addictions via prayer and support. In less than four months, I was free. Having been through hell with pot, I could never support it's legalization ...knowing personally what it can and will do to (not to mention other things) the human mind and brain.


We have enuff "legal" substances that are killing and wrecking the lives of innocent people as well as the "users" such as I was.

Look at what alcohol has done. Alcohol kills more than five times the number of people killed by cocaine, heroin, and every other illegal drug combined. So why do we want to add another negative influence to the horror list, when we don't even have a handle on the two currently legal drugs...:puke:alcohol and nicotine???

If we have children that's the last thing they need to see going on in our lives. If pot becomes legal, this will simply add to the pain of many innocent children as they endure the negative and horrifying effects of having an addicted parent/s. :uhoh:

This stuff hurts teenage males in that it WILL affect their sexual performance in a very negative way if smoked well into adult years. Unfortunately, many don't find out about this until it is too late. I can only imagine the terrible discomfort in wanting to have sex (being in heat) but not being able to do anything though "it" lays right before you. :flame: This is an old man's disease or situation that has found it's way into the lives of many young men who have smoked pot since they were teenagers. No wonder so many of them are buying Viagra in attempts to fix this "secret" problem they have. Teen males, if you want kids one day...don't smoke pot. And yes, if you start smoking pot at 14 or so, by the time you reach 25 or so, you will discover that you have even less to work with. That in and of itself is scary. :bawling:

So why should it be added to the list with alcohol and nicotine...we have enuff probs with the "legal" list as it is???

And most women are put in a very vulnerable position with marijuana in that you have to be very careful about who you smoke it with. Many guys know that marijuana increases a woman's sex drive like crazy when she has smoked a joint. The chance of unprotected sex is almost a sure thing if you are with a fine man or an ugly one. AIDs will not say no to pot, but you should.

Why should it be added to the list with alcohol and nicotine...we have enuff probs with the "legal" list as it is???

Moderation??? Don't make me laugh. That was my view too, but the mind is a very powerful thing and when it ask for a certain thing very subtly, you have no reason to resist it because you are not apparently aware of what's happening :boring: ...until it's too late. That's like a guy who plans on having sex just once a month...but then the frequency slowly increases because it feels so good. That's how marijuana make you feel...so good. But like a man, marijuana can be good to you but not necessarily good for you. It's best not to mess with anything addictive at all because sooner or later it will catch up with you in one way or another...remember these words. You can not "play" with fire and not get burned.

We have enough to deal with in the abuse of (drunk driving, cancer, smelly clothing, ruined families, etc.) alcohol and nicotine, why should we add more pain by adding marijuana to the list???:confused:

My humble opinion expressed...

Joyce

continous smoking of seeds will make you impotent and lame...not the actual leaf...
some can handle their biz on weed and some can't...it's not for everyone to smoke...just like it's not meant for everyone to drink...if weed were legalized their would be more federal funding for individuals with a serious smoking problem...right now since it's a fad to smoke, a lot of these problems are going un-addressed...everyone should know their limitations in life...just cause you can't handle something does not mean the next man cannot handle it...i've been smoking since 19 and i must say that i get the job done on all fronts ;)...in my opinion, as long as you are not affecting you life in a negative way, i say, do what makes you happy....life is too d@mn short...if alchol was illegal we would have these same people talking about you should not drink...because when it comes down to it...when i'm lying on my death bed, i want to be able to say, I DID IT MY WAY....not the way of anyone else, including uncle sam....

on a side note...you have self-righteous people that say no to drugs
but lie ,cheat and steal....smh....hmmmmmmmm
only God is my judge....word
one love
khasm

I have found out and (anyone who smokes pot on a regular basis) that this is a fact and has nothing to do with being self righteous...it's simply a warning from a former pot head. Do with it what you will

Marijuana doesn’t care who you are, or where you’re from. It just knows that you’re going to be another VICTIM. :smokin:

No one can smoke it on a regular basis and not be effected by it in some way...no one. Mental addiction is a lot worse than a physical addiction, because you can hide behind little wise empty sayings and thus let no one help you. A physical addiction like that of nicotine or alcohol is not so easily hidden. When it comes to legalizing marijuana, I still say yes and no. Yes in the sense that it should be used to give to terminally ill patients to help them deal with the pain of their illness. No in the sense of allowing any and everyone to smoke just they are unhappy and searching for something. With our alcohol and nicotine prob well out of hand, there is no wisdom in adding grease (marijuana) to a fire that is already out of control.

Just another person's opinion huh...I'm outta here.

Joyce

smh...that side note was not directed at any one person...it was a general statement(brought up because of past individuals that i have known in my lifetime)...i agree with what you are saying joyce...anything in life that you overendulge in will be hazardous to your health...ie(eating, watching tv, drinking, etc.) not everybody that smokes, smokes out of control on a daily basis...should we also outlaw sweets that have a billion calories for the same reason as mj? that's life in a nutshell, some people have control over themselves and some people don't....been this way since the begining of time...from all of the multiple mj threads on this site, i still have not heard a valid reason for the outlaw of mj...mj is legal in other countries, has anyone taken the time to explore the pro's and con's of their situation...amsterdam being one...just because it's law in america, does not make it morally correct...this country has motives that are beyond our comprehension...some of the greatest people in this countries history and present have smoked pot...did they all smoke everyday?, probably not, were they all addicted?, probably not, did they all graduate to smoking other drugs?, probably not...if you have the type of personality that will try anything once, pot is not the culprit in you try'n cocaine or pcp or whatever...high blood pressure and diabetes kills more black people then accidents or lung cancer caused by weed...let's keep things in perspective and try to remain open-minded in this topic of conversation...
one love
khasm

I'm totally against marijuana. It may help in certain medical situations but if that privilege is allowed it's bound to be abused. No matter the intention of smoking it, it still kills brain cells and impairs judgement. Nothing is worth your mind and awareness because without them your done for.

Besides, it stinks.

And if you can't get a high out of simply living a blessed life and you find that all you can turn to are drugs and alcohol then you're weak. Simple as that.

interesting vantage point afro...i wish life on this earth were that beautiful a place to me... a place where i could take a deep breath of air and feel energized, instead of breathing up pollution in heaps...you are young my sista, i hope that life in general remains a natural high for you...all i know is that since i started smoking, my stress levels have gone down at a dramatic rate...to each their ownthough, be very careful who you choose to call weak in life for you may overlook your own...(weakness that is)
one love
khasm

I look to good to smoke weed. Everybody I know who smoke got black lips and thangs, so I aint trying to go from Classy to Ashy.

Just Joking :-)

Actually I think to each his own, if you want to smoke THAT IS YO BIZNESS. Just don't smoke around me and we cool :-)

I feel the same about cancer sticks too.

word up ! i hear ya and feel where you coming from brutha
weed is not healthy but everybody has the rights to do their
own thangs !

Speaking of "Peeps of the Diaspora"....

I surely hope that we have evolved further than to still be relying on "da chronic" and the use of other potentially harmful substances such as alcohol, nicotine, and narcotics for stress reduction :confused:

With that reasoning it's no wonder that black folks do have such exorbitant rates of hight blood pressure, stroke, and the like. :nono:

Family...I know that we, as a people, suffer from lethal levels of stress just going about our daily lives here in ameriKKKa... but dang ya'll... Don't ya think it's time that we try something :new: such as : yoga, meditation/prayer, exercise, venting to a trusted friend/advisor/pastor/spiritual leader/grandmamma/auntie and nem' .... or SUMTHIN' (else) HEALTHy instead of continuing to indulge in such potentially harmful habits ???

Wishing ya'll much Peace,
Akilah :spinstar:

sister akilah...you have your way and i have my way...addressing you directly...the only diaspora i see in this thread is the continual house/field mentality which causes us to judge others in a sterotypical light...smh...

now...as i was saying
i'm hotter then the globetrotters in da bahamas...i got a pair of pajamas made out of ganja and llamas...:lol:
one love
khasm

We can all state our opinions but the fact is, people are just going to do what they want to do.
I personally would not smoke anything because I love life and want to be here for my children as long as I can. I can't help the unforseen things that may happen to me, but I can be smart about the choices I make with my body. Smoking kills brain cells...ok, brain cells control your thinking, your coodination, your memory and I need all those. It also damages the pituitary gland..this controls stuff like thirst...hunger, sexual well being and blood pressure. Smoking increases heart rate. Often people say smoking calms them I try to inform them but some will never get it. This stuff damages your thyroid gland, stomach, duodenum, pancreas, adrenal glands, and testis ...it damages sperm...eggs in women....I need my eggs...I hope the men think the need their testis as well...lol
My husband suffers from high blood pressure, when he was in college he started smoking weed alot...a few months later he was found laying on the lawn outside the dorm, we found out he had lost both kidneys. He was 19 then. This is a chemical people...Some say God put it on earth for us to enjoy, but I don't see nobody eating poisonous plants and berries. They too were put here on earth.

I have a friend who watches what he eats and keeps himself fit and has always been slim and trim, but smokes this stuff...what da?????..lololol ...How you gonna eat healthy then put smoke in your body??? What's the point? I mean, your physically fit, but your eyes, throat, brain, and lungs are jacked up...smh...people trips me out sometimes....smh still

sorry to hear about your husband nita...one of my close friends has no kidneys and must go to dialysis twice a week until he can get a donor...i hope your husband gets one...

now as i stated earlier in this thread...anything in excess is damaging to the body...should i now get on my pulpit and start preaching the dangers of being overweight and eating too much...should i start preaching that too much tv kills brain cells and makes us dumb(like sheep)...life is filled with choices...sometimes we make good choices, sometimes we make bad choices...hemp has been around since the begining of time and was found in king solomen's tomb,the wisest of all kings in the bible...can anyone show me somewhere in the bible where it says that thall shall not smoketh a joint? :lol: ...i can go on the web right now and get some propaganda to throw at ya'll, propaganda generated to prevent sheep from making up their own mind...bottom line is that there are foods that we eat...drinks that we drink, that are more harmful to the body as a whole then WEED is...to each their own though...
one love
khasm

My husband did get a kidney about 5 years ago. He was doing fine till he started smoking and drinking again. He almost lost that kidney as well.

lol@ you preaching...jus don't forget to take up an offering. We can split it after the fish fry in the fellowship hall for sister Mattie's new walker...lol..this is the 3rd walker the church has donated, she need to stay out of them dice games cause she breaking us....smh....lolol...

I agree, so many of the things we consume are very unhealthy. Again we are responsible for our choices and actions. I just hope we all try to chose wise choices. :wink:

tru dat nita...ima stop oneday...just not today :lol:
one love
khasm

lol@ one day...ok Khasm
Don't think I'm lQQking down on you or anything, I know ya grown.
You take care..Peace
:heart:
:heart:

sister akilah...you have your way and i have my way...addressing you directly...the only diaspora i see in this thread is the continual house/field mentality which causes us to judge others in a sterotypical light...smh...

now...as i was saying
i'm hotter then the globetrotters in da bahamas...i got a pair of pajamas made out of ganja and llamas...:lol:
one love
khasm

Brotha Khasm ... addressing YOU directly....you are correct : being present in the moment and striving to deal with stress head on in a proactive manner is definately my way.

Much :peace:
Akilah

I got a question.
How can weed stop people from going to prison????...I really want to know the facts in which this comment came because if it's true...I want to give my husband some crack...maybe the he'll start paying his child support and start seeing his children...but then he'd brobably end up robbin us blind and sellin us our on stuff back...lolol

The tap water from your sink is harmful
Legalize it, it ain’t go’n away
This can also keep a lot of our people
From go’n to prison
The “warming labels” are on cigarettes

we came through the 60's, we know
first hand what it did for the "movement"
and meditation

Like our dear brother Bob Marley stated
"Legalize it!"

Other countries have


Revolutionary Luv!!!

I got a question. How can weed stop people from going to prison

Our young men would stop going to prison over possession charges. I don't know the numbers, but i have been told that there are a lot of young black men in jail only because they are in possession of an illegal substance. I'm pretty sure you won't find too many white males in prison for the same reason

Our young men would stop going to prison over possession charges. I don't know the numbers, but i have been told that there are a lot of young black men in jail only because they are in possession of an illegal substance. I'm pretty sure you won't find too many white males in prison for the same reason

sistahisis.....
Weed aint making our men go to prison, the CHOICE to sell it is what's putting them behind bars.


I'd still like to hear from you nubian goddess because only you can clarify what you meant.

sistahisis.....
Weed aint making our men go to prison, the CHOICE to sell it is what's putting them behind bars.

greetings nita! you misunderstood what i meant. i was talking about simple possession. not possession with intent to sell.

Would it be wise to say then that the choice to posses it is what's putting our young men behind bars??? :angel:

Would it be wise to say then that the choice to posses it is what's putting our young men behind bars??? :angel:

i would say that it is the police dept's choice to put them behind bars for simple possession. you go to white man's land and let a white man have the same amount of the same drug on his possesion and believe me he would get a talking to, but not jail time.

i would say that it is the police dept's choice to put them behind bars for simple possession. you go to white man's land and let a white man have the same amount of the same drug on his possesion and believe me he would get a talking to, but not jail time.


Personally, I have seen both black and white get arrested and (my nephew for example) both get off real easy. I believe that is it the brotha's choice to risk getting caught with possesion that is putting him behind bars. If there are many black men in jail because of possession, it stands to reason that many of them need to leave it alone and then that would solve that particular problem. :hammer:

Personally, I have seen both black and white get arrested and (my nephew for example) both get off real easy.

I take it you mean you personally witnessed the arrest. Brothas are treated way differently when there are witnesses to see what the officers are doing. We had some officers harassing some teens (for possession of marijauna) in our alley and they were rough-housing the young black males until they saw me, my boyfriend, the kids' aunt, and 2 other neighbours come to witness. Where before they were basically barking at the kids, once we got out there the whole tone of the arrest (which did not happen) changed. One of the male officers were frisking the young lady standing out there and decided to call a female officer when they saw us.


I believe that is it the brotha's choice to risk getting caught with possesion that is putting him behind bars.

It's the brotha's choice to start using certain drugs. It's not his choice to get addicted. Nonetheless, jail is not the answer if you have a drug problem. Ideally, rehab would be better. Or how about counseling. How about finding out what led to the addiction? Jail won't do anything but introduce brotha's to men doing hardcore time for hardcore crimes. Jails are nothing but a breeding ground for more trouble. Troubled men need help, not jail.


If there are many black men in jail because of possession, it stands to reason that many of them need to leave it alone and then that would solve that particular problem. :hammer:


did you know there was an actual law in existance that basically states that being caught with 1 kilogram (1000 grams) or more of powdered cocaine is a felony as opposed to being caught with only 1 gram (.0001 kilograms) of crack cocaine.

do u understand what that means? that means that the laws are created to make it easier to put a black man (crack cocaine) in jail and send a white man (powder cocaine) to rehab.

i read an article this morning that said there are over 1.2 million black males in prison and 80% of them are in jail for possession. Not robbery, rape, or murder. possession. not possesion with intent to sell. possession.

Sis,

I agree totally with you that jail is NOT the answer for those with possession of pot. Yes, rehab should be offered in this case if the person needs it, but unfortunately it is not. That's why somewhere along this line, we must take personal responsibility for the choices that we make. The traps that the un Justice system set for blacks is definitely in place, that's why some personal responsibility must come into play here if there is to be a major change for our black communities. It won't happen if we are depending on the white man to treat us equally.

You said:It's the brotha's choice to start using certain drugs. It's not his choice to get addicted.

Again this is true and I agree. If he choose to use, he must realize that he might lose. If that's a risk he's willing to take, he shouldn't complain during the shake. The un Justice system is making tons of money daily from users who get arrested. Where is the motivation help them (pot users :smokin: ) to stop via a rehab system? They are getting rich off of those caught with marijuana, just like the dope dealers are in selling it to them.

Thus, both whites and blacks will be arrested for possesion with the whites getting off easily many times and blacks getting off easily some of the time. Personal responsibility has got to be priority with us as a people. Somewhere we must take the blame for the shame of our actions. I had to do it with my drug problem and many others are doing. That's how we got helped...thru change not blame.

Joyce

I got a question.
How can weed stop people from going to prison????...I really want to know the facts in which this comment came because if it's true...I want to give my husband some crack...maybe the he'll start paying his child support and start seeing his children...but then he'd brobably end up robbin us blind and sellin us our on stuff back...lolol


i think that nubian goddess meant that legalizing weed will stop people from going to prison.

I believe some of you that are against it either eat meat, junk food, and other horrible eating habits, watch tv, heavy cell phone users, drink wine, have unprotected sex, use cosmetic chemicals (makeup, relaxer, commercial soaps, lotions and shampoos, etc.), lack exercise and meditation, etc. etc. etc.

Bottom line is if you have no experience with the spiritual aspect of it, you should not parade around this forum pretending to be holier than thou. Yes, this is directed even to those who have tried it and couldn't maintain their composure. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

It is definitely a spiritual "thang" that should not be abused by the ignorant.

P.S.
Don't ask me "Well what's so spiritual about it??" Do some research. One.

Signed,
A much needed view from the other side in this thread.

word is bond aum...word is bond
one love
khasm

Man, this thread is becoming interesting. Let me start by saying that I still think that weed should be legalized. I think that it's a matter of personal choice that we should have if alcohol and tabacco can be legal. No one is saying that marijuana is harmless, but it's not going to kill you like alcohol and tabacco will. I'm not a heavy smoker at all, some may even call me a lightweight. I smoke every once and a while and if I feel like I'm starting to smoke too much, I take a step back. It's no problem to leave it alone for months or even years at a time if it's my choice. How many people can say that about alcohol or cigarettes? I don't see where the addiction to weed comes in. That's just my experience though. I think a lot of people are on that "well, if I don't do it, no one should" thing. I don't smoke cigarettes but I'm not going to down anyone who does because that's their choice. I do believe that those who get caught with it now should own up to the fact that it is still illegal unfortunately. White folks do get a bigger break with these kinds of issues though. The only place they want black men at is in jail, that's no news flash. If marijuana was legalized I believe there would be a lot more black men free because there are a lot of us serving time for B/S charges while there are tons or child-molesters, muderers and rapist walking freely, even though they don't smoke weed. This world is screwed up anyways. Weed is not harmless but no one is breaking into anyones house so that they can get a weed fix. Health problems you'll face are no more severe than with alcohol or tabacco. So why is it still illegal while we all go to bars and clubs and get unbelivably drunk every weekend and play demolition derby with our cars on the way home?

Man, this thread is becoming interesting. Let me start by saying that I still think that weed should be legalized. I think that it's a matter of personal choice that we should have if alcohol and tabacco can be legal. No one is saying that marijuana is harmless, but it's not going to kill you like alcohol and tabacco will. I'm not a heavy smoker at all, some may even call me a lightweight. I smoke every once and a while and if I feel like I'm starting to smoke too much, I take a step back. It's no problem to leave it alone for months or even years at a time if it's my choice. How many people can say that about alcohol or cigarettes? I don't see where the addiction to weed comes in. That's just my experience though. I think a lot of people are on that "well, if I don't do it, no one should" thing. I don't smoke cigarettes but I'm not going to down anyone who does because that's their choice. I do believe that those who get caught with it now should own up to the fact that it is still illegal unfortunately. White folks do get a bigger break with these kinds of issues though. The only place they want black men at is in jail, that's no news flash. If marijuana was legalized I believe there would be a lot more black men free because there are a lot of us serving time for B/S charges while there are tons or child-molesters, muderers and rapist walking freely, even though they don't smoke weed. This world is screwed up anyways. Weed is not harmless but no one is breaking into anyones house so that they can get a weed fix. Health problems you'll face are no more severe than with alcohol or tabacco. So why is it still illegal while we all go to bars and clubs and get unbelivably drunk every weekend and play demolition derby with our cars on the way home?

SEEN, KENTE, SEEN. HTP

SEEN, KENTE, SEEN. HTP

Thanks AUM. Just think that one is no better than the other. :toast:

i member when i moms found out i was smokin up.. she was like- who u be gettin it from theses dumb kids.. y u jus aint ask me... and i could have got u some stuff to try if u swear u wanted to try it so bad.... i thots she was crzy when i heard that....

i had a teacher in colleg who made her kids read a book on the lealization of mary... and in high/college it was some teachers u could smoke up wit... an i swore my chem teacher in high school used to be high every day

i dont see whats so bad.... if u can grow it in ur back yard and it be str8- then its jus as natural as some herbs beside it- if u can sell some herbs in the store why not mary.... its not like we r wasting potatoes to ferment alcohol or sumin ...lol...

to each its own

Ah.. Marijuana.... Let's see.... There is a school of thought that believes smoking the herb takes you to a higher plane of consciousness (is that why folks get philosophical wehn they smoke?).. and the other hand, it has been blames for impaired judgement, death of valuable brain cells among other things. Not to mention the smell!

*puts on some Bob Marley and start singing* ........THERE'S A NATURAL MYSTIC FLOWING THREW THE AIR. :smokin:

I have had some of that old boobonic chronic, gaggle, sticky icky icky, choke til you throw up weed before. Then again I've had some bunk before too. Don't act like yawl don't know what I'm talking about either. I had to stop. I was hanging with my boys and they always had the good stuff. But if I didn't stop I wouldn't have a job, I wouldn't have custody of my son, I wouldn't be living the American dream nor would I be saved. Marijuana makes me so lazy that I could be starving to death and still wouldn't get up to fix myself something to eat. One of my buddies missing out on a good job opportunity because he was addict to weed. So to each his own. I don't know enough about the Rastafarian Religion to understand how it is used for holy sacrement.

Peace

Radical Faith

Well me personally. I have a job and Im in school. My major is journalism and I have suprisingly wrote some very creative stuff due to smoking herb. To each his own. I guess it's not for everybody. Some people could smoke it and maintain while others can't. No disrespect intended.


Radical faith, later on when I get the chance I'll post up the use of herb in the Rastafarian religion. Right now, I have to get ready for work in a minute.

I do know alot of people who smoke and never leave the house unless they need more weed. Then again, I know people that have a good job and are in school at night and are fairly responsible people. I think it's all about the way you deal with smoking. If you see yourself becoming lazy and unmotivated....take a break from weed. I've never seen anyone addicted to herb. Yeah, people like it maybe too much...but not to the point where they can't go without it. Some just choose not to. Alcohol is a different story. The things I don't like are that you can't have deep conversations or watch subtitled movies while smoking. No matter how hard you try, you can't watch a subtitled movie. ;)

Ganja (Marijuana) is considered the "wisdom weed" by Rastafarians, as its use helps one to gain wisdom. Rastafarians use it as a part of a religious rite and as a means of getting closer to their inner spiritual self, Jah (God) and Creation.

Ganja is also seen by Rastafarians as the herb of life mentioned in the Bible. Rastafarians use of ganja is justified by the following Psalms 104:14 that says, "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle and herb for the service of man, that he may bring forth food out of the earth." Rastafarians also say it was found growing at the grave of King Solomon in the Bible.

Rastafarian consume it through smoking and eating (not recomended). The smoking of Ganja is a part of a religious ritual. When there is a large "reasoning" gathering of Rastafarians, a Chalice, which is a large smoking pipe, may be passed around and smoked. This is similar to the passing around of a communion cup by some Christian denominations. These gatherings are also called Nyahbinghi (also the name of a Rastafarian sect: Theocratic Priesthood and Livity Order of Nyahbinghi).

True Rastafarians do not smoke cigarettes as it is seen as un-natural and dangerous to one's health. Marijuana is not the only plant or herb used by Rastafarians. They use a wide variety of herbs, plants for medicinal and dietary purposes, however, ganja is the most popular.

Rastafarian consume it through smoking and eating (not recomended). The smoking of Ganja is a part of a religious ritual. When there is a large "reasoning" gathering of Rastafarians, a Chalice, which is a large smoking pipe, may be passed around and smoked. This is similar to the passing around of a communion cup by some Christian denominations.

Hey Pharaoh Jaheel, do you know why marijuana is not good to eat? I mean, like what are the dangers (that you know of)? I know some people that eat weed brownies and cookies and it would be beneficially to know some of the bad points. Talk of the Chalice reminds me of the Indian Peace Pipe smoking. I don't know if they are similar but that came to mind while reading your post. Thanks man. Good info.

:smokin:

I've had a weed brownie before... I can't remember the effects. But when I tried smoking weed I felt like a fool...coughed so long I was embarrassed. The paranoia was certainly not worth it.

HOW DANGEROUS IS MARIJUANA COMPARED WITH OTHER SUBSTANCES?

Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports.

TOBACCO 340,000 to 450,000

ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders) 150,000+

ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose) 180 to 1,000+

CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.) 1,000 to 10,000

"LEGAL" DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol 14,000 to 27,000

ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs. 3,800 to 5,200

MARIJUANA 0

(Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole.

Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al.

LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist. Medical history does not record anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana (UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.).


UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

Drug Enforcement Administration

In The Matter Of MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION
Docket No. 86-22
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988

Section 8 of Judge Young's "Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision."

Page 56 & 57 http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/MEDICAL/YOUNG/young

3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world.

Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision.

Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity.

A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette.

NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

http://www.jackherer.com/comparison.html

*coughin out smoke*
it's ok with me....:lol:

one love
khasm

I encourage all the brothers in this thread to check out Weed & Erectile Disfunction!

this cat is still standing strong...:lol:
i guess a great imagination helps...hahahaha

one love
khasm

I believe weed is a lot better than alcohol and other illegal and legal drugs. I think if you use it excessively, it can be a problem. There have been reports stating that marijuana lowers sex drive and it increases the chance of ED. On that fact alone it makes me think twice before smoking. I haven't smoked in a year and I probably won't anytime soon...if ever again. I think marijuana should be legal, put regulated. Hell, if alcohol and tabacco are alright, why not weed, when it's not as harmful. A personal choice is weed is not my thing anymore. To each his own though, and it should be legal.

Point of clarity: Lots of black men are in prison for posession. Very few people are in prison for simple possession. Even fewer people are in prison for simple possession of marijuana, it's not even a felony in most (if not all) states. Most BM are in prison for posession (or poss. w/intent to distribute) of crack.

Point of clarity: Lots of black men are in prison for posession. Very few people are in prison for simple possession.

True, I've known people that got pulled over and had weed on them and didn't even get arrested because they had it on them for personal use. It's when you get caught with 20 baggies on your person (and try to pass that off for personal use), that's when you get the braceletes put on.

:hearthis:


Eny thing that we are not born with....
is not needed....

All that a human needs is Good food...Good sleep and Mighty Love..


every thing that can be addictive is not good. :injured:



Drugs is not good :hearthis:


you might as well do this right away :skillet:

it had the same affect but than faster ..






Lovelibertylady:heart:

Smoke Smoke & Be Merry

Hello all. I know we've all heard debates regarding marijuana. Do you think it is as harmful as sources say? Do you think it should be legalized? Is it any worse than alcohol or tabacco? Any views are appreciated. :smokin:


on the same page:

3 and pass

and cough up an extra $10 we're going to order pizza and have it delivered

lol

Marijuana robs the body of vitamin C, suppresses the immune system, inhbits learning and memory etc. Hippy 60s rhetoric cannot compete with science. Marijuana can be as dangerous as tobacco, I've heard.

That being said, I think it should be legal as long as alcohol and tobacco are legal. I'm not opposed to illegalizing alcohol and tobacco.

Marijuana robs the body of vitamin C, suppresses the immune system, inhbits learning and memory etc. Hippy 60s rhetoric cannot compete with science. Marijuana can be as dangerous as tobacco, I've heard.given that the only research into marijuana allowed in this country has been research to support the yellow journalism and bought&paid laws regarding same (in support of du pont, hearst &co.'s efforts to maintain their chemical, transportation(trains), logging and newspaper businesses), about the only "knowledge" available of the "dangers" of marijuana can only be what "I've heard" - "hearsay".

doesn't inhibit learning; speeds interaction between neurons ... but never mind; if it is preferred to believe that same system that brought the Bell curve, or the current educationaly system, or the parity of the economic system then I guess there isn't much to say ...

tobacco is a natural product of ThisEarth that has been treated in various ways during the journey from the fields to the delivery systems; marijuana is a natural product of ThisEarth that is consumed in it's natural form. i'd opine that that is like the difference between a tomatoe from the vine and a piece of meat that has been cloned.

but, hey, don't mind me; just keep on believing what they told you in school ... even though it has been known for a very long time that the "educational system" only PROGRAMS malleable young minds into "productive citizens" and does not "educate" ANYONE ...

have some more kool-aid; try the electric

Marijuana robs the body of vitamin C, suppresses the immune system, inhbits learning and memory etc. Hippy 60s rhetoric cannot compete with science. Marijuana can be as dangerous as tobacco, I've heard.

That being said, I think it should be legal as long as alcohol and tobacco are legal. I'm not opposed to illegalizing alcohol and tobacco.

we'll have orange juice with the pizza

I unfortunately have a psychological aversion to marijuana - when I was a freshman in college my roommate was an exchange student, there to learn English. One night he downed a bottle of sleeping pills. Thank God he woke up in the middle of the night puking his guts out, but to make a long and depressing story shorter, he didn't want to phone his folks back in Switzerland anymore for money because he spent it all buying pot.

So that's what I've been associating it with for the last decade. Can't smell it without getting the shakes. Still haven't gotten over that. *sigh*

tobacco is a natural product of ThisEarth that has been treated in various ways during the journey from the fields to the delivery systems; marijuana is a natural product of ThisEarth that is consumed in it's natural form. i'd opine that that is like the difference between a tomatoe from the vine and a piece of meat that has been cloned.

Just because it's naturally found on Earth doesn't mean it's natural for human consumption. Do you eat grass?

Marijuana is bad for you, I don't understand why people can't take this seriously.

Just because it's naturally found on Earth doesn't mean it's natural for human consumption. Do you eat grass?

Marijuana is bad for you, I don't understand why people can't take this seriously.

pick your poison, that's all it is

live and be merry

you WILL DIE from something, even if it's natural causes

i RESPECT your comments, without question

you WILL DIE from something, even if it's natural causes

Hopefully it will be old age but in the meantime I'd like to be healthy while I'm alive.

Hopefully it will be old age but in the meantime I'd like to be healthy while I'm alive.

feeling ya

hopefully the water isn't contaminated

man there's so many things to watch for

weed is not high on my list

no pun intended

hopefully the water isn't contaminated

It is, according to a health book I'm reading. Not just unfiltered tap water but most water bottle companies as well.

Marijuana robs the body of vitamin C, suppresses the immune system, inhbits learning and memory etc. Hippy 60s rhetoric cannot compete with science. Marijuana can be as dangerous as tobacco, I've heard.

That being said, I think it should be legal as long as alcohol and tobacco are legal. I'm not opposed to illegalizing alcohol and tobacco.


I can testify to this. I smoked marijuana regularly for 11 years, then on occasion for the next 20.

After smoking regularly I developed an acid-reflux problem and became allergic to some fruits highly acidic, namely grapes and raisins. Used to break out in "hives". The marijuana was stripping my system of the alkaline. Last year I started eating grapes again and can now occasionally drink red wine without breaking out. Sometimes my throat itches after eating raisins or grapes but my immune system is stronger and more resistant to colds and influenza. I am asthmatic and marijuana used to help relieve symtoms because it is a "bronchial dialator" but the problem is most herb is highly carcinogenic. I used to also smoke as a remedy for headaches instead of aspirin but aspirin supposedly helps to reduce inflammation and aids in lowering blood pressure.