Peace



Okay, when I decided to go vegetarian in the first place, I thought I was doing the right thing. For that time, I have never felt so great. But then, I notice that I started to loose alot of weight. So I went to my doctor and she told me that I wasn't getting enough protein and since I was trying to eat more healthy, she suggested that I just simply not eat any red meat but eat chicken, turkey and fish. Now, I didn't want to eat any meat..period but if that's going to get my weight back up then so be it. Well, during these 4 months of intaking meat has gave me the protein I needed. But check this, at my college, I was building with these brothas from the Moorish Science Temple and they told me that the human body already produces enough protein, my problem was that I rushed into vegeterianism too fast. When I decided to stop eating meat at first, I went cold turkey. Im supposed to let my body adjust and stop eating it meat slowly. Now, Im sitting there, really ticked off, thinking I wasn't 'built' for vegetarianism when my doctor could have just told me to intake meat twice a week, than reduce it to once. She could have also inform me that there are other ways to get protein besides 'animal flesh' but anywayz, I took the advice of the brothas at my college and here I am back to being a vegetarian and feeling better and healthier than ever again.... Just wanted to share this with yall........

Hotep Brother Pharoah Jah. I went "Cold Turkey" back in September and was fine up until Thanksgiving and Christmas. I'm from the DEEP south (a city where MANY of us got off the first slave ships) and "holidays" are complete with so called "soul food". I was eating chicken, beef, turkey, seafood, and Collards and string beans seasoned with hamhocks (ugh...) etc. I wanted to keep my new diet but embraced the familiar cooking I grew up on. Well, After I ate all this "stuff", I went back to veggie eating and shortly after I suffered one of the worst cold/flu(?) bouts in my 24 yr. story. I later learned on www.blackconsciousness.com that my body was reacting this way to cleanse my body of this, um, "stuff". I've been on it since and haven't felt this energized since I was a little child! I was losing weight at first brother, I feel you. But with my new found energy I got on this workout kick and now a brother has more muscle tone than ever. Just balance that veggie/vegan diet with some strength training, aerobic, and MEDITATION(!) exercises. Overstand Pharoah, your decision to eat vegetarian SYMBOLIZES a higher thought pattern or frequency. This frequency, which comes from your HIGHER SELF(soul), will begin to re-program your mind, which in turn re-programs or adjusts your body to accomodate your healthier lifestyle. In other words, once you get your mind right your body will follow. Once you start to feel better as you say you already have, don't stop there! Now you can work on your SPIRITUAL NOURISHMENT and you will notice more levels to life than you thought were imaginable. Hope this has given you some in-sight. Peace.

YAYYYY!!! for you my brotha I have been vegetarian for almost 10 years and I dont regret it :)

What changes/benefits have you directly enjoyed as a result of your 10 years as a veg?

My body has never felt so good. My immune system is GREAT. Not too long ago I came down with Pneumonia but my system was so up and up the doctor told me i would be bed-ridden for 3 months...I was up and out in 2 weeks. Even she was amazed. I still stayed home for a month but that was out of precaution. I dont feel weighed down after meals. Even something as simple and yet vital as SLEEP is better. My mind is more alert and it gives me a sese of peace to know that I am HELPING my system be as it was intended. I could go on :lol: but I wont :)

I just feel GOOD :)

I was thinking about becoming a vegetarian. How could a person who loves chicken and turkey substutute with something different that isn't a meat product? I've already cut out beef from my diet. That was easy. I want to do it because I do believe that eating meat causes disease and I want to be healtier, but I don't know how to go about doing it without "falling off the wagon" so to speak. Can someone recommend a book or something that might help me with a few dishes to start off with so I can gradually eliminate meat from my diet. I don't want to jump into it all at once, but I would like to be healthier in mind and body. Thanks fam.

I have not eaten anything with a head on it (chuckle) since I was 18 and I don't regret in the least NOT eating anything with a head on it.

It is said that the rise in prostate cancer is due to meat eating.

You want to gain weight, eat a lot of carbohydrates, bread, pasta, etc. Yes, I will eat anything eggs, cheese, pasta, but nothing with a head.

Folks have always said
Visit a slaughter house
And this will cure your
Taste for meat


Revolutionary Luv!!!

Much Love to all my veggies out there. I have been a veggie for about 7 or 8 yrs now. I didn't do it cold turkey either. It was a process of elimination. I hadnt eaten pork since being forced to eat it as a small child. So first went the red meat, then the chicken, then the turkey, then the fish. I am allergic to eggs so that was never a prob, then went the cows milk, then I gave up my addiction CHEESE. I have never looked back, maybe dreamt about the cheese lol. But now I cannot imagine how I ever ate Meat and Dairy ever. My health is great and I hardly ever get sick. That in itself benefit enough!
Shalom :jumping:

brotha this was a much needed post.. fa real.. as a write this reply -- ive been thinking about becoming a "full -fledged" veggie myself.. and gathering as much research as i can.. this post helped me understand the need to take it slow..u kno taper or ween off gradually.. much love

I was thinking about becoming a vegetarian. How could a person who loves chicken and turkey substutute with something different that isn't a meat product? I've already cut out beef from my diet. That was easy. I want to do it because I do believe that eating meat causes disease and I want to be healtier, but I don't know how to go about doing it without "falling off the wagon" so to speak. Can someone recommend a book or something that might help me with a few dishes to start off with so I can gradually eliminate meat from my diet. I don't want to jump into it all at once, but I would like to be healthier in mind and body. Thanks fam.

PEACE BROTHER KENTE, CHECK OUT THE BOOK "EATING WELL FOR OPTIMUM HEALTH" BY ANDREW WEIL OR CHECK WWW.DRWEIL.COM., WWW.NOTMILK.COM.

I HAVBE JUST STARTED BACK ON MY VEGIE DIET, I HVE BEEN A VEGIE ON AND OFF FOR 3 YRS, I NOTICE WHEN EVER I START EATING MEAT I BECOME SLUGISH, WHEN I STOP MY BRAIN WORKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT AS WELL AS MY BODY. I THINK MORE CLEAR, AND FASTER. I TOO LOST A LOT OF WAIT BUT ILL BE HITTING THE GYM SOON.

ALLMY VEGIES DO U GET THE IGNORANT COMMENTS FROMPPL WHEN THEY C U DNT EAT MEAT, LIKE "WELL WHT DO U EAT" OR "WHY" OIN THT IG SOUNDING VOICE? IT USED 2 ANNOY ME BUT NOW I DNT CARE.

IT IS O.K.2 EAT MEAT EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT I FIND WHEN I INDULGE FROM TIME 2 TIME MY BODY STARTS CRAVING MEAT, I HEARD ONCE THAT THEY PUT PRODUCTS SIMILAR 2 NICATINE IN BEEF TO MAKE U EAT IT..

PEACE WORLD

Well, I've been struggling with the whole to eat meat or not to eat meat question since the beginning of this year. I did not give up meat "cold turkey". The first thing i stopped was pork; I replaced that with turkey. Then beef. And now I'm having trouble with chicken and fish. I can go without it, and my body feels better without it. I was eating some of the soy "meat" substitutes, but even those tend to weigh your body down, I'm learning. By the first of the year, I hope to have completely eliminated meat from my diet. Now if only I can give up cheese............

ALLMY VEGIES DO U GET THE IGNORANT COMMENTS FROMPPL WHEN THEY C U DNT EAT MEAT, LIKE "WELL WHT DO U EAT" OR "WHY" OIN THT IG SOUNDING VOICE? IT USED 2 ANNOY ME BUT NOW I DNT CARE.



I keep getting comments like "I'd love to be a vegetarian, but I can't give up meat." And the usual, "Don't you need meat for protein?" And of course, my favorite comment "What's wrong with you?" :playball: I have also noticed that a lot of meat eating people feel they have to justify their consumption of meat to you. I hear a lot of "Well, I don't eat meat EVERYDAY, but I do eat it."

ALLMY VEGIES DO U GET THE IGNORANT COMMENTS FROMPPL WHEN THEY C U DNT EAT MEAT, LIKE "WELL WHT DO U EAT" OR "WHY" OIN THT IG SOUNDING VOICE? IT USED 2 ANNOY ME BUT NOW I DNT CARE.

Well, I'm not a vegetarian, but the only meat I eat is shrimp or fish (mainly salmon). I still get the stupid comments like "What do you eat..lettuce"? You know...when people try to say it to be funny. It's halarious because those are the same people who are complaining that they need to lose weight and get into shape. I haven't ate anything but salmon and shrimp since March and I'm going to cut them out soon. I only eat those two about once or twice a week. I still have to cut out chesse. That's the hardest part for me.

Vegetarianism shouldn’t be a dogmatic lifestyle-choice that you should struggle with. It should be a choice based upon knowledge and actual quality of life, in real-time, not just a theoretically, politically or religiously based decision (not condemning those reasons either). If you stop using the “Vegetarian (-ism)” approach to your daily consumption of food, in other words, each time you eat some meat then asking yourself, “am I a official Vegetarian or not”, you probably won’t feel like you’re falling off the wagon if you consume flesh every once and a while.

If you notice meat-eaters (actually omnivores or opportune eaters) don’t use the terms carnivores, unnatural food purchasers or inorganic consumers to describe what they do. They don’t put their selves under unusual pressure or personal castigation when they eat some type of exotic food outside their usual so-called diet.

Now also this idea about protein consumption, let’s look at the primates, that are 10 and 20 times stronger than us

Do chimpanzees and gorillas have large protein-based flesh consuming diets??

Have you ever heard the phrase, “he’s as strong as a bull” or should we say “he’s as strong as a herbivore”?

Matter of fact to prove this point even further, did you know there are professional athletes and BODYBUILDERS who are not only Vegetarians, but also VEGANS???

If you study and have patience with knowledge but stay steadfast in your quest, understanding and wisdom will show up and help with the rest.

Peace,

Brother Sun Ship :)

P.S. __When time permits, I will post a list or a link naming highly accomplished professional athletes who just happen to be Vegetarian and/or Vegan.

[B]uhmm brotha sunship this was an indeed great post.. thought provoking.. true.. i appreciate your display of words which were so on point i had to grin throughout reading it.. peace to u and all those alike.. post the link and any others u feel will aid in this discussion or the veggie lifestyle in general..
peace sista soulfulmixx

Below is a quick find, I will share more exstensive info hopefully later. Peace


Vegetarian Athletes

Anyone who may be skeptical about the strength, endurance and general health of people choosing a vegetarian diet might consider these vegetarian athletes:

Ridgely Abele
Winner of eight national championships in karate

Surya Bonaly
Olympic figure skating champion

Peter Burwash
Davis Cup winner and professional tennis star

Andreas Cahling
Swedish champion bodybuilder, Olympic gold medallist in the ski jump

Chris Campbell
Olympic wrestling champion

Nicky Cole
First woman to walk to the North Pole

Ruth Heidrich
Six-time Ironwoman, USA track and field Master's champion

Keith Holmes
World-champion middleweight boxer

Desmond Howard
Professional football star, Heisman trophy winner

Peter Hussing
European super heavy-weight boxing champion

Debbie Lawrence
World record holder, women's 5K racewalk

Sixto Linares
World record holder, 24-hour triathlon

Cheryl Marek and Estelle Gray
World record holders, cross-country tandem cycling

Ingra Manecki
World champion discus thrower

Bill Manetti
Power-lifting champion

Ben Matthews
U.S. Master's marathon champion

Dan Millman
World champion gymnast

Martina Navratilova
Champion tennis player

Paavo Nurmi
Long-distance runner, winner of nine Olympic medals and 20 world records

Bill Pearl
Four-time Mr. Universe

Bill Pickering
World record-holding swimmer

Stan Price
World weightlifting record holder, bench press

Murray Rose
Swimmer, winner of many Olympic gold medals and world records

Dave Scott
Six-time winner of the Ironman triathlon

Art Still
Buffalo Bills and Kansas City Chiefs MVP defensive end, Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame

Jane Wetzel
U.S. National marathon champion

Charlene Wong Williams
Olympic champion figure skater

Excerpted from The Food Revolution, by John Robbins, published by Camaro Press.

Below is a quick find, I will share more exstensive info hopefully later. Peace


Vegetarian Athletes

Anyone who may be skeptical about the strength, endurance and general health of people choosing a vegetarian diet might consider these vegetarian athletes:

Ridgely Abele
Winner of eight national championships in karate

Surya Bonaly
Olympic figure skating champion

Peter Burwash
Davis Cup winner and professional tennis star

Andreas Cahling
Swedish champion bodybuilder, Olympic gold medallist in the ski jump

Chris Campbell
Olympic wrestling champion

Nicky Cole
First woman to walk to the North Pole

Ruth Heidrich
Six-time Ironwoman, USA track and field Master's champion

Keith Holmes
World-champion middleweight boxer

Desmond Howard
Professional football star, Heisman trophy winner

Peter Hussing
European super heavy-weight boxing champion

Debbie Lawrence
World record holder, women's 5K racewalk

Sixto Linares
World record holder, 24-hour triathlon

Cheryl Marek and Estelle Gray
World record holders, cross-country tandem cycling

Ingra Manecki
World champion discus thrower

Bill Manetti
Power-lifting champion

Ben Matthews
U.S. Master's marathon champion

Dan Millman
World champion gymnast

Martina Navratilova
Champion tennis player

Paavo Nurmi
Long-distance runner, winner of nine Olympic medals and 20 world records

Bill Pearl
Four-time Mr. Universe

Bill Pickering
World record-holding swimmer

Stan Price
World weightlifting record holder, bench press

Murray Rose
Swimmer, winner of many Olympic gold medals and world records

Dave Scott
Six-time winner of the Ironman triathlon

Art Still
Buffalo Bills and Kansas City Chiefs MVP defensive end, Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame

Jane Wetzel
U.S. National marathon champion

Charlene Wong Williams
Olympic champion figure skater

Excerpted from The Food Revolution, by John Robbins, published by Camaro Press.

Add Doug Christie from the Sacramento Kings.

and Carl Lewis..cant forget that ground breaking brotha..

Peace Folks,

My friends and I are getting serious about our health. We decided to work towards the veggie diet gradualy. First no beef and or pork (Very easy) We didn't eat meat for two weeks to force ourselves to expand our options (gotta be creative on a college campus) and we now allow ourselves to have meat twice a week. (two meals, not two days) Anyway, its going well. I plan to be meat free within the next 6 months. I recomend this method to anyone who is having trouble "giving up meat". It makes the process far more enjoyable as our desire to eat meat is naturally decreasing. We aren't fighting with our diet, but growing with it.
My downfall, however is cheese. I love it. Can't get enough of it. But as my ability to digest dairy is decreasing rapidly I wonder if anyone knows of any good ways to get the cheese taste without the cheese itself.

hey sista Alesha ..i feel u girl on the cheese

im a veggie lacto -ovo.. so dairy is still premitted girl but in moderation... ( moving towards eventually going vegan) -- and usually organice versions like "horizons"..however im more so just doing the rice and almond milk thing etc...
so yeah sis as far as the cheese goes.. my friend told me about a cheese called: "VEGGIE SLICES" by Galaxy Food.

VEGGIE SLICES are a "cheese alternative" made from "organic tofu." This product comes in mozzarella, pepper jack, and american flavors.

and gurlllllllllll the pepper jack is the bomb :lips:

soulfulmixx:hearts4:

Soulfulmixx and Alesha, I think both of you are taking control of your life and you will both benefit greatly, from this type of empowerment. Though the phrase “lacto-ovo vegetarian” is a very accepted term, to be honest, it is an oxymoron. There is really no such thing as “lacto-ovo vegetarian”. Either you are a vegetarian (vegan or frugivore) or you’re not. And if you are not…it isn’t the end of the world or a mortal sin.


Peace,

Brother Sun Ship :)

Soulfulmixx and Alesha, I think both of you are taking control of your life and you will both benefit greatly, from this type of empowerment. Though the phrase “lacto-ovo vegetarian” is a very accepted term, to be honest, it is an oxymoron. There is really no such thing as “lacto-ovo vegetarian”. Either you are a vegetarian (vegan or frugivore) or you’re not. And if you are not…it isn’t the end of the world or a mortal sin.


Peace,

Brother Sun Ship :)

thank u for for the statement made in your first few lines( i guess) :?: .. to address the rest.. hey brotha to each his own theres a such thing to me... i mean the comment unnecessary and harsh but i expect it...
i am a vegetarian.. i consume some dairy but very limited and im weening towards veganism in MY own time.. so until then again a repeat.. im an lacto -ovo vegetarian..

sista Alesha once to try that product.. tell me how u like it..

soulfulmixx :hearts4:

thank u for for the statement made in your first few lines( i guess) :?: .. to address the rest.. hey brotha to each his own theres a such thing to me... i mean the comment unnecessary and harsh but i expect it...
i am a vegetarian.. i consume some dairy but very limited and im weening towards veganism in MY own time.. so until then again a repeat.. im an lacto -ovo vegetarian..

sista Alesha once to try that product.. tell me how u like it..

soulfulmixx :hearts4:


Whoa…Chill out sister…I don’t really think the terms lacto-ovo vegetarian, vegetarian or vegan defines anyone nor the terms omnivore or meat-eater. I think you are embracing these terms a little too tightly, you need to read a previous post I posted on this type of “wearing your lifestyle on your sleeve” mentality.

http://www.destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272015&postcount=15


I don’t care what you call yourself. I was just dealing with the terminology. And there are many who agree with me, some are “so-called” omnivores or some are “so-called” vegans. These terminologies and lifestyle choices were described in ancient times and are older than both of us.

You need to lighten up…

Peace,

Brother Sun Ship

*grin* i need to lighten up?? :?:

AYAH bless

:spinn: Like I said...moving foward :bye:


Peace out :spinn:

that is ok.....




i mean you know the stuff they put in the meat somethimes....









LoveLibertylady:heart:

Thanks soulfulmixx for the tips on the nondairy cheese. I'll try it when i get back to school and let you know how I like it. I hope it has a good texture though cuz the last time I had tofu I was like :puke:

Peace.

the last time I had tofu I was like :puke: Peace.

I hate tofu. I haven't had a good meal when there was tofu involved. :poop:

Thanks soulfulmixx for the tips on the nondairy cheese. I'll try it when i get back to school and let you know how I like it. I hope it has a good texture though cuz the last time I had tofu I was like :puke:

Peace.
your welcom sista... yeah let me kno ok.... yeah its the best one out there( too me).. i was introduced to it by a gentlefriend of mine and girl i never looked back... its great esp. when your weening off of dairy ..... it comes in blocks.. slices and shredded..

*** yeah i feel u guys .. however not all products are made the same... on my journey i just had to go thru several brands until i found one suitable to my tastes(while paying attention to ingredients)-- u kno what i mean? like i just can get with soy milk.. but i love rice and almond milk...etc..

talk to u soon

soulfulmixx :hearts4:

I found it is really hard to replace animal-based foods that you are used to, with vegetarian substitutes and get the same experience of taste and texture; it’s really impossible. Cheese is just going to taste like cheese and tofu taste like tofu (texturally) and that’s just the way it is.

But there are still, some very good substitutes. You just have to keep experimenting. Also, talk to the workers or owners of the Natural food stores that you shop at. A lot of times, they can refer you to some of the better products, because they are usually familiar with what’s good and what’s not. Now, I also have noticed, that some Thai places do a wonderful job of preparing their tofu. So, you might want to get you some Thai cookbooks, Asians have a longer history of vegetarian dishes and have perfected many different preparations.

I have found out, the best way to experience excellent vegetarian meals is, to learn how to prepare your own meals from scratch.

The bible of vegetarian cooking is, Ten Talents, it’s usually on the self of most long-time vegetarians. This book is probably about fifty years old and was originally released in Seventh-day Adventist community.

The Seventh-day Adventist have a long history of vegetarianism. There are some African American Seventh-Day Adventist’ that have been vegetarians/vegans for over 70 to 80 years. A lot of their churches have excellent vegetarian stores inside of or associated to their facilities. There is also, an independent Black tradition and community inside of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination that has its own college and publications. One, is the Message magazine, it use to have many excellent recipes in every issue.

Another very excellent book is, Soul Vegetarian, this is exclusively a vegan cookbook that is published by the African Hebrew community, under the leadership of Ben Ammi. This book is one of my favorite books. They have ways of preparing gluten and tofu that are simply unbelievable.

So, invest in some good cookbooks and enjoy. :D I have an extensive collection of titles from Caribbean to barbequing to other African American cuisines. I’ll post some titles and product names overtime.


Peace,

Brother Sun :cool:

everytime "I" post here we go :?:

:lol: anyway Alesha ill be waiting for your response..

AYAH bless

soulfulmixx:hearts4:

I never tried this:

Vegan Cinnamon Raisin Rolls


Ingredients:

• In a bowl combine the following:
1/2 cup lukewarm water


1 packet active dry yeast

•
In another bowl mix the following-then add above:
3/4 cup water
3 cups flour
2 tsp sugar


1 Tbsp oil

(Add a bit more oil and water if dough it too dry)

Directions:

Clean your counter. Lightly sprinkle flour on it and plop the dough down on it. Knead well for 5-7 minutes. Put dough in a lightly oiled bowl and cover with a clean towel. Let rise for 35 minutes or until dough has doubled in size.

After dough has risen, punch it down and let it rise another 30 minutes. Split dough ball in half and put one ball on counter and one back into the bowl.

For rolls you will need: 1 stick margarine (we use willow run), raisins, lots of cinnamon, lots of brown sugar.

Roll dough on counter out to 1/4 inch thickness. Melt margarine then brush lots onto the dough. Sprinkles generous gobs of brown sugar, cinnamon, and raisins all over the top of the dough. Gently roll the dough up and cut into 1/2 inch sections. Place them on a lightly greased baking sheet.

Repeat with the other half of the dough. Let rolls rise some more in a warm place then bake at 375 degrees until golden brown (10-15 minutes).

You can make frosting by mixing a bunch of powdered sugar with a bit of margarine.

This is easier then it sounds- just lots of waiting, but the taste is worth

another great find...!


Stewed Okra and Tomatoes

Ingredients (use vegan versions):

* 5 tomatoes finely chopped, not the genetically altered ones- organic
* 1 chopped large sized green pepper, organic
* 1 pound fresh okra, organic
* 1 cup water, spring, filtered no tap water, I prefer magnetized water
* 1 onion chopped
* 1 teaspoon chopped fresh thyme
* 1 teaspoon of Sucanat
* Salt substitute to taste
* Hot sauce to taste, but the hot spice mix is what I prefer
* 1/2 teaspoon of crushed pepper

Directions:

Mix the onion, green pepper, thyme and crushed red pepper together and then cook lightly and stir over medium heat.

Add the okra and continue to cook 10 minutes.

Then add salt substitute, i.e. sea salt with iodine, sucanat, hot pepper sauce and water.

Cover and simmer for 5-10 minutes. Stir occasionally.

This can be eaten with a meat substitute. I don't like meat tasting substitutes for it suggests a taste for flesh.


These comments are from the person who originally posted this recipe:


I prefer to prefer foods in steel, copper, iron, porcelain cookware.

I prefer organic foods. They feel healthier.

Southerners like sweets and call people they like by sweet names, vegan sugar pie. It too is an Africanism in that the West African Goddess Oshun is the goddess of love, sweetness and health through the arts.

My mother likes okra which came from West Africa. It is supposed to be good for the intestinal track because it is "ropey".

Now where my mother comes from in Georgia, there were no garlic nor apples. But people do like to have garlic in their stews.

Here are excerpts from a very eye-opening article...enjoy!!


Newsday
April 1, 2003


Vegan restaurants are thriving in the black community as people seek a more healthful lifestyle

By Ron Howell
STAFF WRITER

Mawule Jobe-Simon, owner of the Green Paradise restaurant in Brooklyn, admits he's on the radical end of the vegetarian spectrum.

Not only does he shun fish, meat, milk and eggs, but all of his dishes are raw. That means they're made entirely of uncooked vegetables and fruits, creatively blended and spiced, of course.

There was a time when a menu like his would have died on arrival in a largely black community. But Jobe-Simon says times, and tastes, have been changing.

"It's like a new generation, a whole new revolution, just growing stronger and stronger as days go by," said Jobe-Simon, 26, ….

Black-owned vegan and vegetarian restaurants have been opening at a quick clip in New York and elsewhere, catering to a population that, according to experts, is struggling to reverse grim health statistics and adopt a more healthful lifestyle.

"It's just amazing right now how many people are getting on this diet," Jobe-Simon said of his veganism.


Some observers think the health explosion is related to an ongoing emigration from the Caribbean, especially from Jamaica, home of the Rastafarian religious group.

” …Rasta people have always lived a vegetarian lifestyle, meaning anything that moves is not supposed to be eaten," said Larry Dawson, a Jamaican-born Rastafarian and owner of Health Conscious…

Jobe-Simon, the Trinidad-born owner of Green Paradise, also is Rastafarian.




But it would be wrong to conclude that African- Americans are not onboard the vegetarian train.

In fact, some say the granddaddy of black vegetarianism is African-American comedian D-ick Gregory. It is an opinion that Gregory, 70, shares.
"I'm the one who changed the whole thing in the black community," said Gregory, who has written books on the subject and spoken out about it for four decades.

… Gregory reported the vegan explosion is hitting not only New York, but black communities in Los Angeles, Chicago, Atlanta, St. Louis and Los Angeles.

Gregory called the vegetarian trend "a real explosion, a revolution that's happening across the country in the black community."




In addition to numerous storefronts selling vegan patties and sandwiches, Newsday located about 20 black-owned restaurants serving vegan lunches and dinners in Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, the Bronx and Long Island. Nadine Williams wishes there were more.

Williams, 24, was eating a lunch last week of flavored soy chunks, chickpeas and brown rice mixed with vegetables at the Veggie Castle on Church Avenue in Brooklyn. …In giving up meat and fish, she said, "There's been a tremendous improvement, especially in my skin. ... I usually had bumps, breakouts, but I don't have them anymore." She said that in her circle of acquaintances she sees a lot more people getting into the vegetarian lifestyle.




Donna Cover …belief that being a vegan was right for her. And for her four children.

When she first became a vegan 21 years ago - before the birth of her oldest child, Joseph - Cover consulted a pediatrician. Since then she hasn't looked back. Her four children have been vegans since birth “and ..have never strayed," she said.
"You should see my son [Joseph, now 20]. He's built up with muscles. ...And all my children are very bright. I connect it to the diet," she said.

Donna and Danny Cover, emigrants from Jamaica, own the Strictly Roots vegetarian restaurant in Harlem. …



But experts say appetite, rather than hunger, is what drives most Americans. And so black vegan chefs say they spend hours a day trying to appeal to palates raised on non-vegetarian foods.

Listed on the menu at Tchefa's restaurant …are curry soy goat, curry soy shrimp, barbecue soy chicken, sweet and sour tofu, lo mein dishes, and vegetarian cakes and pies.

"We have all the down-home Southern and West Indian-type food," said Queen Mother Maast Amm Amen, the Bronx-born cook and boss at Tchefa, which means "food of the Gods" in ancient Egyptian.

Some say the vegan eating style for blacks is a political act of self-assertion.

"We are trying to introduce African foods and products that we were robbed of during slavery," said Beta Duckett, manager of the Sundial Herbs and Herbal Health Food Shoppe in Uniondale.

Sundial is one of the most successful distributors in the black vegan market in New York. …

Duckett said she and other black vegan business people are trying to cure "the sickest race on the planet."


There is much evidence underlying her strong statement. According to the American Heart Association, "the prevalence of high blood pressure in African-Americans in the United States is among the highest in the world." The association also says blacks between the ages of 35 and 54 are four times more likely than whites to die from stroke.

Last fall, a group of health advocates formed the Black Vegetarian Society of New York and vowed to try to change those statistics. It met at the Uptown Juice Bar, a popular vegan restaurant in Harlem.

"There's a growing amount of evidence which shows that vegetarian diets for African-Americans can lead to lower rates of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer and other dietary-related illnesses," said John Sankofa, who is working on a master's degree in public health at Columbia University.

Sankofa said that …"… vegetarianism …is as serious as life and death.


Viburt Bernard, who opened the Veggie Castle in 1998, said he was surprised at how well his business has been doing.
"You think you would get a line that's 80 percent Rastafarian, but that's not so," Bernard said. "I wasn't aware how big vegetarianism is.... They're popping up all over the place…. It's a big, big business, and it's growing."

A few years ago I attended a ceremony for a sister receiving her Unkh. (am I spelling it right?)

At the reception following we were served some "Live" collard greens. They were not cooked and were flavored with some sort of brine.

Can anyone help me?

uhmm i think i have one.. however ill let brotha sun ship answer which i kno he will.. he has all the answers u kno and Highly knowledgable-- his posts is "THEE" posts :angel1:

First of all, much love to Blessed Sister soulfulmixx…you know you got the fire sister, all I do is follow the smoke. :D


Accept for spinach, dandelions and some other naturally tender greens, most “down home” Greens like mustards, turnips and collards are too tough to eat raw, even though I read that if you selectively pick collard greens when they are young and tender (small leaves) they can be eaten raw. But after I thought about the dish you said you enjoyed…I wondered if the greens were marinated. Marinating can tenderize a lot of foods and especially some of the tougher greens if you decide to eat them raw.

I found a recipe that may have been something like what you had, but if not it still sounds like a interesting dish.

MARINATED COLLARD RIBBONS

1 bunch collard greens

SIMPLE MARINADE:

1/2 tbsp. olive oil and flaxseed oil mixed
1/2-1 lemon or lime, juiced
1 tbsp. Nama Shoyu or a sprinkle of Celtic sea salt

1) Wash the collard greens and cut out the stems or ribs which go almost all the way down the middle of the leaf (save for juicing).

2) Lay the collard leaves one on top of the other and then fold in half and roll the whole bunch into a tight roll. Starting at one end of the roll, cut into very thin slivers. Put the resulting ribbons into a large bowl. Add the marinade and toss until all the ribbons are well coated. Cover the greens and let marinate in the refrigerator overnight.

Serves 2. Keeps for 2-3 days in the refrigerator.

ALTERNATIVE: You could weigh down the greens by covering them first with some parchment paper and then putting a heavy weight on top of them, such as a half gallon plastic or glass water jug filled with water. Or you could use three heavy plates directly on top. The weight helps the marinade penetrate into the leaves to soften them up. Marinate overnight.

SERVING SUGGESTIONS:
Add sprouted, blanched, dehydrated almonds, red bell pepper julienne, and diced onions, shallots or scallions. Toss.

Add mellow white miso mixed with a little water and pressed garlic. Toss.

*This recipe also works well with red and green chard leaves, kale and beet tops. Wild leafy plants, such as leaf amaranth (callaloo) and lamb's-quarter, etc. can be chopped and mixed with the marinade for a delicious alternative to cultivated vegetables.





I think I'm going to try this one myself...but let me warn those who dare...collard greens can be sort of gassy :explode:

"....First of all, much love to Blessed Sister soulfulmixx…you know you got the fire sister, all I do is follow the smoke"....

yeah ok brotha sun ship.. u do have a way with words dont u :rolleyes: :kiss: lol..

u do kno i was so being sarcatic in my last post right .. :tongue2:

anyway black man.. i have a decent amt of knowlegde on the subjects listed in this thread -- but as we all can see you devote much time and effort.. so i'll let u do u :wink:

i was a liitle distrub by your comments on lacto ovo... but hey i got over it im a strong sista.. :bellyd:

do ya thang with the veggie reciepes like only u can.. besides there great and i am taking notes..

now im running :run: to another post... im going to see if u find me there lol.. im kidding..ok peace brotha sunship

soulfulmixx :hearts4:

Sister soulfulmixx, I have no doubt, you are a strong sister and I believe strong sisters want brothers to be strong when it comes to knowledge. I presented what I received on the journey and as you can see in my first post in this thread, I’m not dogmatic about vegetarianism.

Knowledge is just information and doesn’t become truth until you believe it (and that goes for me or you) …And that’s OK.

I’m very happy you are keeping this post alive with your presence.

And if I disturb you in any way or presented some information improperly…this strong Black man is strong enough to say I’m sorry. :)

Let’s keep learning together.

Peace and Love, :)

Brother Sun :cool:

Sister soulfulmixx, I have no doubt, you are a strong sister and I believe strong sisters want brothers to be strong when it comes to knowledge. I presented what I received on the journey and as you can see in my first post in this thread, I’m not dogmatic about vegetarianism.

Knowledge is just information and doesn’t become truth until you believe it (and that goes for me or you) …And that’s OK.

I’m very happy you are keeping this post alive with your presence.

And if I disturb you in any way or presented some information improperly…this strong Black man is strong enough to say I’m sorry. :)

Let’s keep learning together.

Peace and Love, :)

Brother Sun :cool:

:huh:i recieved this post brotha sun ship from u well... thank u.. keep the wonderful reciepes comin'

:toast: --cheers to good health..( ohh there's smoothies in the glasses of course lol)

peace and AYAH Bless

soulfulmixx :hearts4:

I used to be a vegetarian and avoided all meat and meat products.

When I read in Genesis that man's original diet was said to be only herbs and vegetation and the patriarchs lived for hundreds of year, then after the flood when they began to eat meat...their life span dropped:

I said AH!...avoiding meat is the key to black success and longevity.

Now, I think bread and starches are a bigger enemy to us as black people than meat.

I used to be a vegetarian and avoided all meat and meat products.

When I read in Genesis that man's original diet was said to be only herbs and vegetation and the patriarchs lived for hundreds of year, then after the flood when they began to eat meat...their life span dropped:

I said AH!...avoiding meat is the key to black success and longevity.

Now, I think bread and starches are a bigger enemy to us as black people than meat.



LOL.....So you think swine is more of a threat than starches?

PJ

LOL.....So you think swine is more of a threat than starches?

Definately, starches may be bad for our health but swine is actually forbidden.

PJ

LOL.....So you think swine is more of a threat than starches?

Definately, starches may be bad for our health but swine is actually forbidden.

Meat of any kind is far worse that PROPER starches (grains and such).

But not because it's "forbidden".

Meat of any kind is far worse that PROPER starches (grains and such).


Straight up and down foolishness.....

If we weren't made to eat me we wouldn't be able to digest it.

If we were meant to eat only vegetations we'd have several stomachs like other omnivores.

Straight up and down foolishness.....

If we weren't made to eat me we wouldn't be able to digest it.

If we were meant to eat only vegetations we'd have several stomachs like other omnivores.

This isn't the spiritual section, where you can pass off your BELIEFS as substantial.

The rhetoric you posted has no validity.

The humnan digestive track is made for vegetarianism, and even better as frugivorism.

Our intestinal tracks are long, as opposed to all carnivorous predators, which are very short, for the purpose of pushing out an eaten carcass, after extracting all the proteins from the BLOOD of the meat.

The acids and enzymes in our systems are meant for digest plant fibres and the glucose from the sugars of fruit.

If we were meant to eat only vegetations we'd have several stomachs like other omnivores.

There is no OMNIVORE on this earth that has more than one stomach--and certainly not "several".

I challenge you to name one animal that is omnivorous in nature, that has more than one stomach.

Samurai


This isn't the spiritual section, where you can pass off your BELIEFS as substantial.

The rhetoric you posted has no validity.

The humnan digestive track is made for vegetarianism, and even better as frugivorism.

Our intestinal tracks are long, as opposed to all carnivorous predators, which are very short, for the purpose of pushing out an eaten carcass, after extracting all the proteins from the BLOOD of the meat.

The acids and enzymes in our systems are meant for digest plant fibres and the glucose from the sugars of fruit.
Again...more basement-religion jive.....

Somebody probably told you if you stopped eating meat you'd live forever and you'd be able to keep erections up to 500 years old...((laughs))...and you believed them.

Well regardless of what you've been told young man, we humans ARE NOT made to be vegetarians.

Our digestive tracks are neither short like carnivores, nor do we have several stomachs to chew cud like herbivore...we're right in the middle.

So we were made to eat both meat and vegetables as long as they're cooked correctly.



Most true vegetarians end up becoming anemic after a spell of time because they aren't getting the proper nutrition to keep their bodies healthy.

Certain proteins and B-vitamins as well as zinc is ONLY contained in meat.


There is absolutely NO ETHINIC GROUP of people on this planet here or in Africa who are exclusivly vegetarian.

Asians and Africans don't eat AS MUCH meat as we do, but they don't totally remove it from their diet so I don't know where you're getting this crap from that we are supposed to avoid meat.

Go to Africa and tell the average Nigerian or Zimbabwean that and he'll laugh in your face. :laugh:
So it certainly isn't an African tradition.

Perhaps more basement-religion jive.

Samurai



Again...more basement-religion jive.....

Somebody probably told you if you stopped eating meat you'd live forever and you'd be able to keep erections up to 500 years old...((laughs))...and you believed them.

Everytime you post here, you prove that you are totally incapable of having an intellectual discussion.

Instead of refuting the statements I made with INFORMATION, you choose instead to respond with IGNORANT statements.

You can't comment on the enzymic make up of our systems, because you have no knowledge on the subject.

Let me know when you've actually studied up on it, and then we can discuss it.


Well regardless of what you've been told young man, we humans ARE NOT made to be vegetarians.

Don't refer to me as a "young man", when we've already established that I'm older than you.

Our digestive tracks are neither short like carnivores, nor do we have several stomachs to chew cud like herbivore...we're right in the middle.

I asked you before, to PROVE what herbivores have "several stomachs".......How many stomachs is "several"?

Do you know?

So we were made to eat both meat and vegetables as long as they're cooked correctly.

Meat is not meant to be consumed cooked. Neither are vegetables, for that matter.

How many animals besides humans consume either product in a heated state?

This is a conditioning that we've undertaken.

Most true vegetarians end up becoming anemic after a spell of time because they aren't getting the proper nutrition to keep their bodies healthy.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

EVERYBODY goes through a process of malnutrition, if they are unaware of what a proper diet is.

There is plenty of nutrition to be gleaned from a BALANCED vegetarian diet.

But seeing as how you eat only "vegetarians" such as "CHICKENS", then you should already know this.

Certain proteins and B-vitamins as well as zinc is ONLY contained in meat.

Wow, you are just one of the most IGNORANT, unstudied people I've ever engaged.

http://www.vitaminsdiary.com/index.htm

VITAMIN B1 SOURCES:
Wholegrain cereals, especially wheat, rice, and oats, are generally considered to be the best sources of thiamine. Thiamine is usually found in the germ and outer layers. However, when these grains are highly refined, for example, as white flour and polished rice, the amount of thiamine is considerably reduced. Legumes such as soya beans and Bengal gram are good sources of thiamine. Other good sources of this vitamin are vegetables such as dry lotus stems, capsicum, turnip greens, and best greens; fruits such as apricots and pineapples; nuts such as groundnuts, pistachio nuts, and mustard seeds; and animal foods like pork, sheep liver, and mutton.


VITAMIN B2 SOUCRES:
Vitamin B2 (riboflavin), though widely distributed in vegetables and animal foods, is present only in small amounts in most of them. Foods rich in riboflavin are green vegetables such as lotus stems, turnip greens, beets, radish leaves, colocasia and carrot leaves; fruits such as papaya, raisins, custard apples and apricots; foods of animal origin such as sheep liver and eggs, skimmed and wholemilk powder of cow's milk. Other well-known sources of this vitamin are almonds, walnuts, chilgozas, pistachio nuts, and mustard seeds. An average person may not be able to get an optimum amount of riboflavin unless he consumes a generous amount of milk. Milking of rice and wheat results in considerable loss of riboflavin since most of the vitamin is present in the germ and bran, which are removed during this process.


VITAMIN B3 SOURCES:
In general, meat and fish are better sources of niacin than plant products. Foods of animal origin rich in this vitamin are sheep liver, lean meats, prawns, pork, and cow's milk. Vegetarian sources rich in this vitamin are rice bran, rice, wheat, groundnuts, sunflower seeds, almonds, and chilgozas; and green vegetables like turnip and beet greens, and the leaves of carrots, colocasia, and celery. Yeast and bran are good natural sources of this vitamin but the removal of the bran in the milling of wheat reduces the niacin content of white-wheat flour to a low level.

VITAMIN B5 SOURCES:
Vitamin B5 or pantothenic acid is found in extensive quantities in foods. The best sources are yeast, liver, and eggs. Other good sources are peanuts, mushrooms, split peas, soya beans and soya bean flour. About one-half of the pantothenic acid is lost in the milling of grains. Fruits are relatively poor sources of this vitamin.

VITAMIN B6 SOURCES:
Yeast, sunflower seeds, wheat germ, soya beans, and walnuts are the richest sources of vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) among plant foods. Lentils, lima beans, and other vegetables provide fair amounts. Raw foods contain more of this vitamin than cooked foods.

VITAMIN B8 SOURCES:
The rich sources of biotin are brewer's yeast, beef liver, rice bran, rice germ, rice polishings, and peanut butter. This vitamin is also normally produced in the intestines if there are a sufficient amount of healthy intestinal flora present. However, frequent use of antibiotics can interfere with the synthesis of this vitamin.

VITAMIN B9 SOURCES:
Bulses and legumes such as Bengal gram and green gram are rich in folic acid. Green vegetables such as am lanth, cluster beans, spinach, and mint are valuable sources of folic acid. In fact the presence of this vitamin in green leaves was the basis for the name folacin (folium meaning leaf). Besides green leaves, folic acid is found in gingelly seeds, and meat.

Why don't you try to read a book sometime?

You CLAIM that you read NUTRICIDE (because it was "deep") in that other thread.......That book plainly outlines the food sources for every nutrient to be consumed by humans.

This obviously shows that you haven't read it.

There is absolutely NO ETHINIC GROUP of people on this planet here or in Africa who are exclusivly vegetarian.

Once again, read a book DUMMY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu

Although Hinduism is very diverse, one of the possible things that unites all hindus is the quest for enlightenment and to free oneself from the cycle of rebirth. Another major concept is the concept of Ahimsa, which means "non-violence". Through this concept, strict movements of vegetarianism and tolerance grew. Hindus believe that everything in the world is part of the universal spirit, and therefore everything needs to be respected, preserved and protected.

Hindus have been vegetarian and vegan for the past several thousand years.

Thus, you have roughly 940 MILLION people in this world, who are vegetarian.

Not to mention, that your Bible, that you love so muhc gives us a precise diet in the first chapter of GENESIS........Thus, SOMEBODY was obviously following this diet........Weren't they supposedly living for several centuries back then?

Asians and Africans don't eat AS MUCH meat as we do, but they don't totally remove it from their diet so I don't know where you're getting this crap from that we are supposed to avoid meat.

Go to Africa and tell the average Nigerian or Zimbabwean that and he'll laugh in your face. :laugh:
So it certainly isn't an African tradition.

Perhaps more basement-religion jive.
Uhmmmm, why on earth are you even mentioning this here, in this discussion?

I did not mention a single thing about ethnic groups and the like. You're creating an argument, in order to avoid to true discussion.

In fact, all of this seems to be your way of side-stepping the question I asked you, which was:

"There is no OMNIVORE on this earth that has more than one stomach--and certainly not "several".

I challenge you to name one animal that is omnivorous in nature, that has more than one stomach."

So stop trying to tell me about Africa (a place that I've been to, and you haven't), and actually pick up a book and tell me what it says.

PEACE

So now we weren't meant to eat cooked meat either?????

Straight up buffonery....

I'll leave you in peace and with this article:


Humans are Omnivores
Adapted from a talk by John McArdle, Ph.D.

Introduction
There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.
Confusion between Taxonomy and Diet
Much of the misinformation on the issue of man's being a natural vegetarian arises from confusion between taxonomic (in biology, the procedure of classifying organisms in established categories) and dietary characteristics.
Members of the mammalian Order Carnivora may or may not be exclusive meat eaters. Those which eat only meat are carnivores. Dietary adaptations are not limited by a simple dichotomy between herbivores (strict vegetarians) and carnivores (strict meat-eaters), but include frugivores (predominantly fruit), gramnivores (nuts, seeds, etc.), folivores (leaves), insectivores (carnivore-insects and small vertebrates), etc. Is is also important to remember that the relation between the form (anatomy/physiology) and function (behavior) is not always one to one. Individual anatomical structures can serve one or more functions and similar functions can be served by several forms.
Omnivorism
The key category in the discussion of human diet is omnivores, which are defined as generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation. They are basically *opportunistic* feeders (survive by eating what is available) with more generalized anatomical and physiological traits, especially the dentition (teeth). All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is omnivorous and would include meat. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice.
The Great Apes
There are very few frugivores amongst the mammals in general, and primates in particular. The only apes that are predominantly fruit eaters (gibbons and siamangs) are atypical for apes in many behavioral and ecological respects and eat substantial amounts of vegetation. Orangutans are similar, with no observations in the wild of eating meat.
Gorillas are more typically vegetarian, with less emphasis on fruit. Several years ago a very elegant study was done on the relationship between body size and diet in primates (and some other mammal groups). The only primates on the list with pure diets were the very small species (which are entirely insectivorous) and the largest (which specialize in vegetarian diet). However, the spectrum of dietary preferences reflect the daily food intake needs of each body size and the relative availability of food resources in a tropical forest. Our closest relatives among the apes are the chimpanzees (i.e., anatomically, behaviorally, genetically, and evolutionarily), who frequently kill and eat other mammals (including other primates).
Evidence of Humans as Omnivores
Archeological Record
As far back as it can be traced, clearly the archeological record indicates an omnivorous diet for humans that included meat. Our ancestry is among the hunter/gatherers from the beginning. Once domestication of food sources began, it included both animals and plants.
Cell Types
Relative number and distribution of cell types, as well as structural specializations, are more important than overall length of the intestine to determining a typical diet. Dogs are typical carnivores, but their intestinal characteristics have more in common with omnivores. Wolves eat quite a lot of plant material.
Fermenting Vats
Nearly all plant eaters have fermenting vats (enlarged chambers where foods sits and microbes attack it). Ruminants like cattle and deer have forward sacs derived from remodeled esophagus and stomach. Horses, rhinos, and colobine monkeys have posterior, hindgut sacs. Humans have no such specializations.
Jaws
Although evidence on the structure and function of human hands and jaws, behavior, and evolutionary history also either support an omnivorous diet or fail to support strict vegetarianism, the best evidence comes from our teeth.
The short canines in humans are a functional consequence of the enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In primates, canines function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.
Salivary Glands
These indicate we could be omnivores. Saliva and urine data vary, depending on diet, not taxonomic group.
Intestines
Intestinal absorption is a surface area, not linear problem. Dogs (which are carnivores) have intestinal specializations more characteristic of omnivores than carnivores such as cats. The relative number of crypts and cell types is a better indication of diet than simple length. We are intermediate between the two groups.
Conclusion
Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.
[Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and currently Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist.]
APPENDIX: Further Evidence
The following information is taken from The New York Times, May 15, 1979. According to Dr. Alan Walker, a Johns Hopkins University anthropologist, Homo Erectus, the species immediately ancestorial to our own Homo Sapiens, had evidence of an omnivorous diet. Every Homo-Erectus tooth found was that of an omnivore. However, a small sample of teeth from the human-like species during a 12 million year period leading up to the Homo-Erectus period, indicates the earlier species may have been a fruit eater. Even if this species, way before our own, lived on a fruit diet, they probably would not have consumed what we consider typical fruits. Hundreds of plants produce fruits that are tougher, more substantial foods than what we eat today.
Quoted from an editorial by William Clifford Roberts, M.d., Editor-in-Chief of the American Journal of Cardiology:
"When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."
Quoted from "WHAT DID OUR ANCESTORS EAT?" in Nutrition Reviews, by Stanley Garn, Professor of Nutrition and Anthropology, and William Leonard, Assistant Professor of Human Biology:
"These people of Upper Pleistocene, and later those of the mesolithic, were our immediate ancestors, no longer hunters exclusively and with whole-grain products and a variable amount of roots, fruits, leafy vegetables and nuts in their diet. We must grant them a mixed diet, with animal fat providing a smaller proportion of their food energy than was probably true for the Neanderthals."

http://www.purifymind.com/HumansOmnivores.htm

How typical of an unknowledgeable person: leaving me with the words of OTHERS, instead of words of your own.

None of this answers any of my questions that I posed to YOU.

It's so in me to consume vegetables,soy products,and herbal remedies. I never really took a liking to "western diet"..I think its mostly due to me being raised a vegetarian,I didnt eat a piece of chicken until i was 11. Im just a product of my upbringing.

It's so in me to consume vegetables,soy products,and herbal remedies. I never really took a liking to "western diet"..I think its mostly due to me being raised a vegetarian,I didnt eat a piece of chicken until i was 11. Im just a product of my upbringing.

That's all I consume as well.......Obviously it does me well, based on my pics. I'm a living witness, that Vegetarianism does the body good.

I've been Vegetarian for 7+ years now.

Before that it was seafood and poultry.

PEACE

That's all I consume as well.......Obviously it does me well, based on my pics. I'm a living witness, that Vegetarianism does the body good.

I've been Vegetarian for 7+ years now.

Before that it was seafood and poultry.

PEACE


That's wonderful. :) :)..Every Man needs to be a vegetarian if they end up looking like that..miaowwwwwww

LOL!! :kiss2: