I got into an interesting argument with a woman yesterday and I thought I would bring it to the forum to see where every stands on the issues. Here in Dallas they want to put a six-foot limit on dancers at the local boob bars. I told her I thought the city had better things to than try to police morality. She asked me if I thought it was wrong for a married man to go to boob bar and I said no. She told me that she saw it as a form of cheating on the wife or girlfriend. Of course, I thought she was kidding, but she was serious. She went on to say that she thought when a man masturbates he is also cheating on his wife. I thought that was a stretch, but she insisted. My opinion is that grown men do what grown men do and going to a boob bar is not cheating and neither is masturbation. What do you think?

Post the "Why" in the response"

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I have to disagree this woman. I do believe that if a married man visits a “boob bar” on the regular he is lacking something from his wife and they should work this out. If this is just a once in a while thing with his boys in my opinion this is ok. As for the masturbation, that is a human function as is breathing.

I dont think its CHEATING
BUT
I think that if a man feels that he HAS to go to a boob bar when he has me...than something aint right :lol: Its not cheating...physically... but it opens the door to that opportunity...and if it is a thought it could very well become an action.
As far as masturbation goes...according to Ziggy...I guess a sista has to let the brothas BREATHE :laugh:

no it's not cheating but out of respect for this wife , mate
this do bring on intents and to masturbate why! when there
is a wife to sort ya royal oaks with but it also not cheating
when use of own hand the sistah have her priorities mixed up
when it come to this ....

I think that if a guy goes to strip bars when he's married...it's not cheating but like $$Rich$$
said, out of respect you shouldn't. I think that there is a problem as far as the marriage goes. Something's up. Whether the dude is just a freaky kind of guy, or maybe she's not doing her job at home. Either way, you talk about it first and foremost. As for masturbating......there's nothing wrong with taking matters in your own hands. Women do it..men do it. Why torture yourself if there's no one around to fill your needs.

I don’t think occasional visits to boob bars are a problem. I don’t understand how it’s disrespectful. Going to a boob bar is another form of visual stimuli for some men. going to a boob bar does not guarantee that there will be physical interaction. a man does not have to go to a boob bar to physically interact with another woman. he’ll do that regardless if that is what he wants to do.

Funny thing happened--I got into this same discussion with another woman and she said the same thing--I began to think that maybe it is a regional thing--I am in Dallas, TX and the Bible Belt is strong here. Interestingly, so is sinning. I've lived in four cities considered to be in the Bible Belt and they seemed to be the most active in sinnning. WE have the highest alcohol related trafffic deaths, the highest incidence of illegitimacy, the most alcohol and drug related arrests, and the list goes on. So, maybe I am talking to the wrong people--Ra :smokin:

To me, I think that a 'boob' bar should be for 'SINGLE men only' ...I am a married woman and my husband once told me a long time ago that..."you're my everything"...that being the case ...why would he go to a boob bar? if he wants big, big, big boobs...best he stuff me, if he wants teeny weeny ones...guess he better look at me and use his imagination. my point is this: 'If this man is lacking this in me, and that in me, then guess what?? he got the wrong woman...it's time to move on. Why? because I know how to be a lady in the streets and you know what in the sheets. Therefore I'm not even trying to hear it...on no level. And please keep in mind that this is only my opinion...to each his/her own.

Now let's go with the masterbation...do I see anything wrong with a married man masterbating? ...NO, ...as long as they are his hands...or mines :luv: ...I have no problem with him doing it, I have no problem watching him do it...and if by any chance his hands get tired...I have no problem giving him a helping hand :lol: :lol: :lol:

. . . and that's the way it should be, BUT . . . it don't always happen that way. Some women are glad to get them out of the house to quit bothering them and then some don't want to engage in certain activities . . . I would say that in some cases men go because their wives, girlfriends, or whatever put them there . . . of course then there are men like me. I just like the look of young bootie, always have and always will . . . now all it does is bring back pleasant memories, but I enjoy it . . . I flirt with all the women knowing they take me about as seriously as I take them . . . I ain't going nowhere BUT . . . I love that young T & A, plus I love to hear their stories, Hollywood can't make up this good--nevertheless--I stay for an hour, eat the free lunch, tip three my waitress and a couple of dancers and get out of there for about $10 which is lot better than going to Mickey D's.

Amun-Ra :yo:

. . . and that's the way it should be, BUT . . . it don't always happen that way. Some women are glad to get them out of the house to quit bothering them and then some don't want to engage in certain activities . . . I would say that in some cases men go because their wives, girlfriends, or whatever put them there . . . of course then there are men like me. I just like the look of young bootie, always have and always will . . . now all it does is bring back pleasant memories, but I enjoy it . . . I flirt with all the women knowing they take me about as seriously as I take them . . . I ain't going nowhere BUT . . . I love that young T & A, plus I love to hear their stories, Hollywood can't make up this good--nevertheless--I stay for an hour, eat the free lunch, tip three my waitress and a couple of dancers and get out of there for about $10 which is lot better than going to Mickey D's.

Amun-Ra :yo:


Hujambo again Ra...
I totally agree with you that...'some don't want to engage in certain activities, and in some cases men go because their wife/girlfriend put them there...again I agree. There was a record out some years ago that I had mad respect for, because I could relate to it in all it's reality, it was called: "I'M EVERY WOMAN" ...need I say more? :wink: ...They say a man's home is his caltle, :nono: not true...Man looks for...HEAVEN, ...and inside that heaven (a woman's bossom) is a castle he call home. My husband is big on T & A as well and when he walks the streets I can't put blinders on him, and I as well see men that looks good, keep in mind...the door swings both ways..that's life.
good talking with you...and until our pens meet again...peace

queentswana

Yiu nailed it there--I literally at least 20 women who will not engage in anything they consider outside the rules such as non-missionary positions, oral sex and havinfg sex anywhere except the bed. Some even have scheduled times. Of course, I kept my mouth shut and listened because it is not often we men get to sit in on conversations like that, so it is best to keep your mouth shut and just keep your ears open--of course when it was over, I said--****! This is what I got for assuming. I just assumed that when two people had special feelings for each other that the sky was the limit, but I know now that some can't overcome early programming, both men and women, and they their partners loving them, but wanting just a little more. If visiting the boob bar helps then I am all for it. It's when men and women go there thinking its the place to find some extracurricula entertainment that they err. Personally, I love talking trash with the women there. I don't believe a thing they say and I am sure they don't belive a thing I say, but that's the fun. We are allplay acting and agreeing that it is okay. Problems arise when some people can't tell the difference. By the way, I need to clarify an earlier remark, when I said women go to the boob bars too--they do and for a variety of reasons just like men. Some are lesbian which if that is the case, what better place to go and meet women and interface with them. Of course, some don't understand the play acting part just like men. I've asked myself many times, would I go to the boob bar if they didn't have the free lunch? A well stocked buffet--for free--and a few naked women to look at is hard competition for the male dollar for Burger King. I'd pay $10 any day to look at some half named young women with great bodies, than pay $5 at Burger King toi get my burger thrown at me and done wrong. But, if they didn't have the food, I think my visits would be seriously curtailed. I'm cheap! As much as I like those sweet lovellies, I just have to use my imagination. Another note, I know six women who say they do not want oral sex because it isn't a natural way to come. That's what they said. I kept my mouth shut. I wanted to say something, but when information is that good, you have to restrain yourself and just listen.

Me? I'm the freeky deeky man--always was, always will be--with the right woman--Ra

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^5 Sista Queentswana...you said a mouthful (no pun intended lol) IMHO If I am with a brotha...his happiness is mine...period. However, whenever, wherever, whichever way he wants it...because when he is happy...so am I.

I FEEL IT IS WRONG FOR A MARRIED MAN TO DO THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH, BUT YOUR CHEETING IN YOUR MIND. I GET THIS FROM A CHRISTIAN STAND POINT. WE ARE TEMPTED IN THE MIND BY EVERY DAY THINGS AS MEN DEALING WITH SEX AND TO GO AND ENTERTAIN THAT AT A BAR IS TO ME AN ACT OF CHEETING.

I FEEL IT IS WRONG FOR A MARRIED MAN TO DO THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH, BUT YOUR CHEETING IN YOUR MIND. I GET THIS FROM A CHRISTIAN STAND POINT. WE ARE TEMPTED IN THE MIND BY EVERY DAY THINGS AS MEN DEALING WITH SEX AND TO GO AND ENTERTAIN THAT AT A BAR IS TO ME AN ACT OF CHEETING.

i just can't understand how it would be considered cheating. if you see a naked woman on a movie screen, is that cheating? if a woman walks by you on the street and she's dressed like a hoochie and you happen to look at her, is that cheating?

cheating to me is emotional involvement with someone else or physical involvement with someone else. can you explain to me how just looking at someone is cheating?

i just can't understand how it would be considered cheating. if you see a naked woman on a movie screen, is that cheating? if a woman walks by you on the street and she's dressed like a hoochie and you happen to look at her, is that cheating?

cheating to me is emotional involvement with someone else or physical involvement with someone else. can you explain to me how just looking at someone is cheating?
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT WE SEE ON THE STREET AND PROGRAMMING ON TV, BUT WHEN A MAN GOES TO A STRIP BAR IT IS FOR THE PURPOSE TO WILLINGLY GO SEE THAT. HE HAS THAT CHOICE TO GO THERE OR NOT. WHEN YOU ARE MARRIED YOU ARE WITH THAT PERSON MIND AND BODY. TO GO TO A BAR FOR THE REASON TO LOOK AT OTHER WOMEN NUDE BODY TO GET STIMULATED IS VIOLATING THAT BOND YOU HAVE WITH YOUR MATE. WOULD YOU WANT YOUR MATE TO THINK ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH SOMEBODY ELSE? THINKING IS WHERE IT STARTS. TRUE WE WILL BE TEMPTED TO THINGS IN OUR EVERY DAY LIFE, BUT TO INDULGE INTO IT LIKE THAT IS A SIGN, TO ME, WHEN YOU TAKE THAT STEP IT IS THE START OF THE DOING. I'M NOT JUST SAYING THIS OUT OF WHAT I THINK, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN BECAUSE I USED TO BE IN THAT BIZ.

i just can't understand how it would be considered cheating. if you see a naked woman on a movie screen, is that cheating? if a woman walks by you on the street and she's dressed like a hoochie and you happen to look at her, is that cheating?

cheating to me is emotional involvement with someone else or physical involvement with someone else. can you explain to me how just looking at someone is cheating?

Hi sistahisis...

If he can't sister ...I can,
You ask, if you see a naked woman on a movie screen, is that cheating? ...NO , because the movies are for people to see man/woman or now a days...anybody.
if a woman walks by you on the street and she's dressed like a hoochie and you happen to look at her, is that cheating? ...NO again, the world is full of hoochie's...maybe even on the very street he live on and the only way he don't look, he got to be blind! in other words, he didn't go out the way to a place (inclosed place) where he knew only hoochie's be, they walk the street 24/7 how can a man Not see them?
It's only concitered cheating if a man has a wife/girlfriend/other half...that he sleeps with every night, leave her home and go to a boob's bar. So my question would be this: Do I not have boob's? and if I'm not shaking them the way he likes to see them shaking...then he got to tell me the way he want me to shake'en and it's his for the asking...for real sister. And let me mention this while I'm on a role...If my husband/man/boyfriend can name ONE thing that another woman can do, ...that I can't do...then he's free to go to the boob's bar. and please remember that this is just my opinion. there's one more thing I need to stress to you, ...I have no shame in my game, all men at one time or another have fantasy's and me knowing that is why I say a man has no reason to step outside of his house unless he want some air. If he want to sleep with "TINA TURNER", ...I'll buy a long wig, or Diana Ross, ...I have no problem tryin to sing...feel me? on that note I think I'll get some rest now because tonight I may have to be "MILLIE JACKSON" ...and that's a job :huh:

Boob bars cheating? That can be true depending on the man and what he is looking for in that bar. I myself have known that outside stimulation can help a married person. I guess since im a Gemini I walk on both sides of this issue and can see the ying and the yang to it all. I do agree that a man or woman should express their desires to their mate in order to optimize their relationship but as stated by brother "Amun-Ra" not all people are willing to give this stimulation to their partner because of their early programing or even religious beliefs. Some men stop in a boob bar just because it is closer to where they work, some go because the atmosphere, and others go because they need that stimulation before going home. No, I am not married and have never been married yet but I do believe in the sacred bond. Nobody want to think their other half is "lusting" over another person other than them unless their relationship is that open. It's like porno movies there are many married people who watch them but Is that cheating?

Okay python...
I guess I kinda have to agree with one of the things you said about early programing and that sorta stuff...perhaps those are the wifes that don't mind.
different strokes, ...for different folks :wink:

When I was a young girl, 20 to be exact, I was married and my ex-husband used to go to the strip bars with his boys. I didn't mind for a few reasons. One, he was a correctional officer, and his friends, the ones that I met, that seemed to be the thing that they did, along with their friends who were cops. Most of these men were older than us, my ex was 26, and married. I am of the mindset that everyone, at some point, needs their free time. I was young, but I was taking care of my business at home. :flamet: That, I never worried about. When he came home, regardless of the stimulus, he was stimulated. He started, I finished. Feel me? :wave: If he went every week, I won't lie, I might have some issue with that.

As for the masturbation, I am with Queen on that one. By all means, between my mate's hands and mine, the job should be done and quite well. It definitely depends upon the way your relationship is defined and how people are conditioned.

a suggestion to women who don't trust their man to occasionally visit a boob bar:


:idea: OFFER TO GO WITH HIM :grin: :nuts: :devil:


his response might give you an idea as to his purpose for going to a boob bar.

Good point were made in this Discussion on both sides and yes a man should never have a Big Issue allowing his wife tag along if it is just a drinking place. :grin:

If that's all it is--then it shouldn't make a big difference--of course, it might be embarasing to be called "big daddy" in front of the spouse, but hey, we're all grownups here--beside, it would increase the comedy 100%--Ra

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good point and well taken ........

i,m sorry but what is a boobbar?



if i know this than i can respond on it.......





Lovelibertylady:heart:

a place where men go like a topless bar

... but not because I go to boob bars! :-)

IMHO cheating is an outdated idea. As human beings, we're naturally wired to be polyamorous. Heck, how do you think we've managed to survive on this planet and have the genetic diversity we have? It sure wasn't from everybody settling down with one mate, that's for sure. In an ideal world, we'd just be with whoemever we wanted whenever we wanted and leave it at that.

Of course, we don't live in an ideal world. We live here and now. In the here and now, ppl are territorial selfish ********. And their territory usually extends to your body (as you can probably tell by th number of ppl who have pissed all over any of us to mark their territory). This is a popular theme in western societies. Somebody owns everybody, we all get pissed on, and it rolls downhill like trickle down reagonomics. The feds own you and your income. Your boss owns you between 8-5. Your school owns you from 6-4. Your hubby / wife / parents own you the rest of the time. If you're unemployed the state owns you through welfare. If you're single you're waiting for someone else to own you.

My guess is that by having our supposedly monogamous relationships we can offset that lack of self ownership by exercising ownership over someone else. Kinda the same way that guys who gets reemed at work comes home and beats the wife & kids. It trickled down on him and then he trickled it down on them. Only monogamy is a helluva lot less painful for all involved. Well, usually, anyway. So if someone owns me then I'm gonna own someone else so I can relieve myself and feel less powerless.

All pointless. Not only does it defy our animal nature but it rarely really makes us feel any more secure, empowered, or relieved. Its as much of an illusion as the existence of tomorrow in a Zen koan is. But just try living any other way here or any other westernized country. Most polyamorous ppl eventually cave in to societal pressure to conform. But what does that lead to? They either cheat or they wind up in unfullfilling relationships and, in that, pissing on someone else in the process.

If we could get over our socialization and our own feelings of powerlessness maybe we wouldn't even be talking about what is or isn't cheating...

IMHO cheating is an outdated idea. As human beings, we're naturally wired to be polyamorous. Heck, how do you think we've managed to survive on this planet and have the genetic diversity we have? It sure wasn't from everybody settling down with one mate, that's for sure. In an ideal world, we'd just be with whoemever we wanted whenever we wanted and leave it at that.

Of course, we don't live in an ideal world. We live here and now. In the here and now, ppl are territorial selfish ********. And their territory usually extends to your body (as you can probably tell by th number of ppl who have pissed all over any of us to mark their territory). This is a popular theme in western societies. Somebody owns everybody, we all get pissed on, and it rolls downhill like trickle down reagonomics. The feds own you and your income. Your boss owns you between 8-5. Your school owns you from 6-4. Your hubby / wife / parents own you the rest of the time. If you're unemployed the state owns you through welfare. If you're single you're waiting for someone else to own you.

My guess is that by having our supposedly monogamous relationships we can offset that lack of self ownership by exercising ownership over someone else. Kinda the same way that guys who gets reemed at work comes home and beats the wife & kids. It trickled down on him and then he trickled it down on them. Only monogamy is a helluva lot less painful for all involved. Well, usually, anyway. So if someone owns me then I'm gonna own someone else so I can relieve myself and feel less powerless.

All pointless. Not only does it defy our animal nature but it rarely really makes us feel any more secure, empowered, or relieved. Its as much of an illusion as the existence of tomorrow in a Zen koan is. But just try living any other way here or any other westernized country. Most polyamorous ppl eventually cave in to societal pressure to conform. But what does that lead to? They either cheat or they wind up in unfullfilling relationships and, in that, pissing on someone else in the process.

If we could get over our socialization and our own feelings of powerlessness maybe we wouldn't even be talking about what is or isn't cheating...



What part of the world are you from?

Yes going to the stripe club is cheating. Men cheat their wives, children and their community. First reason is because a man is openly pleasuring himself and fantasizing about the physical beauty of another woman. In wedding vows a man vowed to his wife, the state and his God to forsake all others. Secondly a man is cheating his family out of income that could go toward the betterment of his families situation. I can say these things because I was a regular strip club patron. I went before I married my wife while we were dating and engaged. My wife didn't stop me nor did she complain but she wasn't stupid either. I think about all the money I wasted. I bought drinks that were 5 to 6 times higher than they normally costed. I helped our sisters degrade themselves with lap dances and stage dances for dollars. I could have put that money to better use in the community since I had so much to give. Masterbation is cheating only when a person fantasizes about someone else. The drive for sex is strong, what if for medical reasons a wife couldn't have sex with her husband? To fantasize about other women is cheating, maybe not physically but these habits lead to problems in the marriage. A husband fantasizing about his wife is not cheating in fact it may spice up the marriage if a hubsband's wife knows he has that much sexual desire for her. She may be obliged to make fantasizes into reality. So the question one has to ask himself is, would I go somewhere I couldn't, wouldn't or shouldn't take my wife and family or would I do things I couldn't, wouldn't or shouldn't do in front of my wife? Men we have a lot of work to do.

Yes going to the stripe club is cheating. Men cheat their wives, children and their community. First reason is because a man is openly pleasuring himself and fantasizing about the physical beauty of another woman. In wedding vows a man vowed to his wife, the state and his God to forsake all others. Secondly a man is cheating his family out of income that could go toward the betterment of his families situation. I can say these things because I was a regular strip club patron. I went before I married my wife while we were dating and engaged. My wife didn't stop me nor did she complain but she wasn't stupid either. I think about all the money I wasted. I bought drinks that were 5 to 6 times higher than they normally costed. I helped our sisters degrade themselves with lap dances and stage dances for dollars. I could have put that money to better use in the community since I had so much to give. Masterbation is cheating only when a person fantasizes about someone else. The drive for sex is strong, what if for medical reasons a wife couldn't have sex with her husband? To fantasize about other women is cheating, maybe not physically but these habits lead to problems in the marriage. A husband fantasizing about his wife is not cheating in fact it may spice up the marriage if a hubsband's wife knows he has that much sexual desire for her. She may be obliged to make fantasizes into reality. So the question one has to ask himself is, would I go somewhere I couldn't, wouldn't or shouldn't take my wife and family or would I do things I couldn't, wouldn't or shouldn't do in front of my wife? Men we have a lot of work to do.




my, my, my...........................

I got into an interesting argument with a woman yesterday and I thought I would bring it to the forum to see where every stands on the issues. Here in Dallas they want to put a six-foot limit on dancers at the local boob bars. I told her I thought the city had better things to than try to police morality. She asked me if I thought it was wrong for a married man to go to boob bar and I said no. She told me that she saw it as a form of cheating on the wife or girlfriend. Of course, I thought she was kidding, but she was serious. She went on to say that she thought when a man masturbates he is also cheating on his wife. I thought that was a stretch, but she insisted. My opinion is that grown men do what grown men do and going to a boob bar is not cheating and neither is masturbation. What do you think?

Post the "Why" in the response"

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How could masturbation be cheating if he's only having sex by himself. Is going to a boob bar cheating, not if the wife knows about it.

I got into an interesting argument with a woman yesterday and I thought I would bring it to the forum to see where every stands on the issues. Here in Dallas they want to put a six-foot limit on dancers at the local boob bars. I told her I thought the city had better things to than try to police morality. She asked me if I thought it was wrong for a married man to go to boob bar and I said no. She told me that she saw it as a form of cheating on the wife or girlfriend. Of course, I thought she was kidding, but she was serious. She went on to say that she thought when a man masturbates he is also cheating on his wife. I thought that was a stretch, but she insisted. My opinion is that grown men do what grown men do and going to a boob bar is not cheating and neither is masturbation. What do you think?

Post the "Why" in the response"

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I think we have to accept the fact that men & women are different when it comes down to sexual stuff.

I think it has something to do with having an external organ with millions of nerve endings, and being able to produce sperm cells like, forever.

Not to mention in this country women/sista's are so **** fine and plentiful...it's no wonder we don't live in a "scrip" club or masturbate non-stop!!!

whatever you do, don't marry this woman! :slobber:

I think its cheating , No matter The man is Married !! What more is it that he wants or needs .. Its disrespectfull boob bar flat out and the masturbation is just well i dont consider that cheating unles shes in the same **** house and u aint going to her for it , But if shes away i mean far far far far far far away then okay masturbate ...have a blast

I she/he aint handing it out.. then "theres no love like self love"...
wives promise to "honor and obey"...
so when you man wants it..
give it to hiom..
and dont be pee'd off when he goes to boob joints..
for some sexual satisfaction for what he dosent get at home..
and he wouldnt be leavin there..
charged and ready to go home and handle his own business..
cause shes there but she got her stuff on lock down (clank!:help: clank!)
So...
is it wrong no...
is it sometimes disrespectful ....
yes.. when you got a lovely woman at home that will graciously be your stripper for the night....

do women need to realize that locking thier goodies down aint solving the emotional issues they havin... yea!

Do men need to realize its more than about her getin mad and lockin her goodies down yea...

sure your in the mood and once again shes not..
but you have to look beyond your hard on and ..
deal with the emotions of the delicate creature you call a wife!

Personally, It's not the right thing for me. I am married. I mean really married,and it's almost impossible for me to see another woman that way.

I do all,that I think of;except what I learn here of course,with my woman.

The mastubation is a product of wanting her some more.:kiss2: :kiss2:

I think it depends on who the woman is, and how she defines cheating. I wouldn't want my wife to go to see the male strippers, I would definitely feel cheated on. Not in the same way as if she were having physical contact with another man, but I would still feel cheated on. Some women consider emails to another woman on the internet cheating, even when her man has never met the woman on the other end. There are several degrees of cheating. Cheating in any form will lead to distrust and alienation of affection.

I graduated from Catholic school and at the time I graduated, having the thought was as bad as committing the sin. Knowing men as I do, the local Boob Bar may have naked women running about, but it certainly isn't a good place to cheat. Neverthess since its been brought up,let me ask is it cheating when a woman looks at a man and had carnal thoughts? Is it cheating when the girls get together and talk about men? Don't play naive on this one? Masturbation? Cheating? It seems like there is bit of insecurity driving this conversation. A man who is going to cheat will cheat, Boob Bar or no Boob Bar. Masturbation? Seems like some people have all the time in the world on their hands and can be late to work, miss picking up the kids, etc. The worst thing I see about going to the Boob Bar is the exploitation of the women who work there and the violence that is done to them.

I think there is a problem with both masturbation and ***** bars. I think that woman are much more than sexual objects. Unfortunately, many men and women alike do not conduct themselves based on that thought so we have men that believe that a ***** bar is harmless and that lusting after a woman other than his wife is completely ok so long as it never manifest into a physical relationship. Sex is much more than a physical act. It first dwells within the mind. I'm not a Christian but Yeshua/Jesus says that a man with lust in his heart has already committed adultry. I will be the first to admit that controlling thoughts and not giving in to temptation is difficult, but we owe it to the ancestors and to the futrure generations to aim for perfection.

I think there is a problem with both masturbation and ***** bars. I think that woman are much more than sexual objects. Unfortunately, many men and women alike do not conduct themselves based on that thought so we have men that believe that a ***** bar is harmless and that lusting after a woman other than his wife is completely ok so long as it never manifest into a physical relationship. Sex is much more than a physical act. It first dwells within the mind. I'm not a Christian but Yeshua/Jesus says that a man with lust in his heart has already committed adultry. I will be the first to admit that controlling thoughts and not giving in to temptation is difficult, but we owe it to the ancestors and to the futrure generations to aim for perfection.

Brother Ra Amen Hotep ... Welcome Welcome Welcome ... :wave:

Thanks for joining us and sharing! I do agree with much of what you've said, especially the part about us aiming for perfection ... demonstrating only the very best of behaviors ... for our children's sake (for all of our people's sake). We've just got to do it. I absolutely agree! :)

Again, thanks for joining us, and please make yourself at home, because you are!

Much Love and Peace.

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Destee

Tell your friend she is needy and insecure. :SuN041: This is a loooooong stretch. Cheating is taking one of the boobs home! :hot: :great: Everything in the guys life cant be about her! Ask her if Denzel walked into the room and she went ga-ga over him, is that cheating? She would be giving an emotional response to someone NOT her mate
Let's see how she and other females respond then!