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Pharaoh Jahil

11-04-2003, 12:33 PM

As a black woman who loves herself some proud and strong black man, I just can't bring myself to date men of other races--YET.
It's not that I am not attracted to men of other cultures/races, in fact there have been a few that I found quite attractive. But is attraction a strong enough foundation to build a relationship? I think not.

I am looking for a partner--someone that understands my struggle. Someone from whom I can draw strength. The type of understanding that I am referring to is not empathy, but first-hand experience. I have read volumes of books on american and african history and have asked my elders to tell me stories about their lives because I know that a lot of useful information can be gleaned from listening to other people's stories with an open mind and heart. Because of my education, it is hard for me to imagine myself being able to love someone that looks so like the people that have caused my people so much pain unconditionally. This has nothing to do with racism. Racism is a phobia and I have a very ligitamite reson to fear.

So much of what used to anger black folks in America has been so watered down that individuals think that it is okay for them to use words or express certain thoughts that once upon a time would have been a call for a A** whippin'. I can't imagine a life where I would have to explain why I feel like I was discriminated against or made to feel as if my feelings aren't real.

I know there will be some that are involved in interracial relationships who say they've never experienced anything but joy-- I am happy for them. But let me give you something to think about: When does a racist person ususally show their colors? when they feel threatened. If more interractial couples would be real and honestly talked about the deep seeded hurt that exists in the heart's or every black man and women you may get to hear you partners real opinion. How often in realationships do we test or really ask our partners hard questions? Try asking challenging questions--play devil's advocate. Do they even care that these issues mean alot to you? And if you (the black person) doesn't care, have you asked yourself why? They (your partner and his/her family) didn't do it to us right?

Give me a good black man and I'll love him forever. As for white women getting all of the "good" black men---who said they get all the good ones? People who feel that way need to evaluate their definition of good. Why because he has a little money, a good job? I just want a man that knows why he is meant to be with a black women and understands that only a black woman can help him to get where he needs to be. I will not let the man I love be lazy, he will contribute and he will respect me. If being that way makes a black man not want me--so be it.

I want to end this by sending a shout out to all the white women that think they are doing something slick because they have a black man in their stable because some black women wasn't doing her job to keep him happy--THANKS FOR TAKING THE BUM OFF OF MY HANDS. My man wouldn't want you anyway--no offense. Just trying to keep it real.

Ms. Love

Speak on my Sista.... You are a great example of a Black Woman!

SOULDEEP3

11-05-2003, 01:38 PM

1. the racial make-up of your immediate family

2. if you were raised educated about race
&
3. the ethnicities within your residency

1.the racial make-up of your immediate family:
We all pay attention to how our families are racially partnered, whether consciously or subconsciously -
maternal side,paternal side; our own parents & grandparents;
aunts & uncles.....& it is always noticed if it is common or uncommon for a different ethnicity to be within the family.

2.if you were raised educated about race[within your home] :
Some of our parents raise their children with knowledge of history & self-culture; others, let them find their own way, not stressing racial issues.

3.the ethnicities within your residency:
We all notice who we grow up around - who & how much of our neighbors are physically ALIKE to us.When our hormones start to jumping around inside of us, we usually gravitate towards whoever's living within our proximity.

IRs to ME are BLACK{or any other person of color} & WHITE, NOTHING ELSE. Why? Because EVERYBODY ELSE are peoples of COMPLEXION: Black,brown,red,yellow.....those of melanin dominance within their genealogy.
I MYSELF DEFINITELY PREFER WOMEN of COLOR OVER COLORED WOMEN {those who are sharp KNOW there is a difference} ALWAYS.
ULTIMATELY, it boils down to the fact that doing such a thing[IR] does NOTHING to ENRICH our nation, NONEWHATSOEVER.There was{historically} & still is{currently} TOO MUCH BLOOD FILLED DRAMA{Nubian blood} BETWEEN BLACK & WHITE, & IRs are NOT the armageddon of WHITE SUPREMACY; if that was the case, the states would've been racially dramaless since the 60's{then again, we are dealing with 666 mentalies}. :devil: :devil: :devil: :teach: So, the CHOICE IS YOURS! I, personally prefer to flow with the natural flavor of life,feel me? :D

love2474u

11-05-2003, 02:45 PM

I love all the different races of men. Iam currently dating a white man. Love sees no colour, and Im happy to see more and more black women discovering this, as long as it's pursued out of love.

Sirius B

11-05-2003, 03:13 PM

In other words, you pursued that white man out of love, love2474u?

Nia Maishani

11-05-2003, 03:46 PM

I think we would all do well to go back and read yummyyum's post, which sums things up most eloquently. Big Up, Ms. Love.

Some excellent points also by SoulDeep3: "ULTIMATELY, it boils down to the fact that doing such a thing [IR] does NOTHING to ENRICH our nation". Although it is unfortunate that many of our people obviously have no intentions of basing their decisions on the enrichment of our nation. And "still is{currently} TOO MUCH BLOOD FILLED DRAMA{Nubian blood} BETWEEN BLACK & WHITE, & IRs are NOT the armageddon of WHITE SUPREMACY". So much truth, Brother. So tell me, why is it when some of our people feel we are at battle with another (non-white) culture, we have no problem banning them from our dating pool (e.g., Arabs or even Muslims or members of other faiths/creeds), yet when it comes to the group which has by far the greatest hatred and enmity against us (and everybody else), they are fair game for a date, marriage, romp in the bed, etc.?

For reasons too numerous to enumerate here, I cannot even imagine myself becoming intimate with a wm, and I have attempted more than once to picture it in my mind. It has NOTHING to do with the skin. It has NOTHING to do with prejudice. I'm not PRE-juding, but POST-juding. Now I could be postjudiced against receiving the wm, but not prejudiced. I won't say I'll never date interculturally with a man from Hispanic or Latino or Indian culture, but my first choice is going to be a man through whose eyes I can see my Homeland, through whose seed I can reproduce my own image most distinctively.

I won't try and regulate the dating choices or preferences of any other adult, because it is not my business to do so. But there is one fact that simply cannot be denied (though many of our people fight tooth and nail to suppress this truth), the fact that MANY (maybe most) who choose those who are least similar to themselves genetically do so simply because of the difference, which they (for various reasons) consider a superior difference. Furthermore, many of our people perceive the difference between a "biracial" person (particularly women) and a purely Afrikan or Afrikan American person to be such that they perceive the former (biracial) to be superior. This is because they perceive the "whiteness" in those biracial persons to be superior. Another related problem is too many Afrikan men touting "I love black women only", but the first thing they stampede after is the lightest complexion and/or stringiest hair in the crowd. These facts won't change until white supremacy/racism becomes extinct.

love2474u

11-05-2003, 04:03 PM

@Sirius B....Im with him because I love him....not because he's white

Nia Maishani

11-05-2003, 09:57 PM

"...and for 3,000 years, the enemy has either been at the door, in the house or in our beds. Now this last item is cruel. It is cruel because when you study the nature of conquest, the first thing the conqueror assumes that belongs to him are your women. And the first thing the conqueror beginns to do is the bastardization of a people. When a people are bastardized there is set up among them a separate group within the group who are at odds within themselves about their loyalty."

~From "New Dimensions In African History: The Nile Valley to the New World--Science, Invention and Technology" by Dr. Yosef ben Jochanan and Dr. John Henrik Clark

Abisha

11-07-2003, 09:03 AM

@Sirius B....Im with him because I love him....not because he's white
^5 That is a golden statement no matter what color a person's skin is, if they treat you good and love you, love them back because love is very hard to find these days. If you dump a love because of the color of their skin, that person will suffer a love lost because in this day and time, this is almost a loveless society. So if you have found it treasure it with all your heart and continue your quest to love him back. You can feel when someone loves you God made us all to love one another, God has made different colors but we are all human . We are not a different species from one another. All I can say is :Kudos to you!!!

love2474u

11-07-2003, 02:25 PM

Exactly. It is hard to find a good man....regardless of race, therefore when one comes along I will never close my heart. Good luck abisha to you and your mate and I wish you both all the best.

Abisha

11-07-2003, 02:48 PM

Exactly. It is hard to find a good man....regardless of race, therefore when one comes along I will never close my heart. Good luck abisha to you and your mate and I wish you both all the best.

Others will see the love that many people share and they will love the love the feel when they are around you and your love will spread to others. Why be with someone who is the same skin but does not love you , and skip a person that loves you because they are non-black, God would say that is non-sense! We are all his children. How do people think Moses was mistaken for an Egyptian in the Bible, raised from a baby in Pharoahs very own abode? Because at that time Isrealies and Africans looked the same, they were just from a different part of the world: meaning people race mix back then and if God see's nothing wrong there is nothing wrong. No one else can stand and judge what another man does.

Nia Maishani

11-10-2003, 06:26 AM

There are some people that, if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.

Some folk don't know the power, the prevalence, the poison and the pestilence of the white supremacy virus which infects and is spread by the Yurugu.

SayWord

11-11-2003, 02:26 PM

We all black when the lights go out :grin:

Sekhemu

11-11-2003, 05:43 PM

We all black when the lights go out :grin:
Just thought I might add a word or two to the discourse. For those who want to intergrate, remember, a virus is white under a microscope.

Zoya

11-13-2003, 12:21 AM

I see absoulutley NOTHING wrong with dating outside of the BLACK RACE. I wish everyone would stop limiting themselves to colour and start realizing that we are all made of more than just pigment and good or nappy hair. There is so much more to the human race than what he/she looks like. Why can't we just love one another for who they are rather than for what their father did or didn't do. Do you think heaven has a black, asian, white section?? I wish I could wake one day and stop hearing that BLACK OR WHITE crap! Good heavens stop the HATE!

WHAT!!!

SayWord

11-13-2003, 09:24 AM

I agree with Zoya. I boogles my mind why datnig someone outside your race is so evil. When I was a kid, and I colored, I used orange and brown together. Sometimes black and white. Sometimes just black. I have no idea where I'm going with this. All I know is, love is love. I don't care if you are martian.

SayWord

11-21-2003, 04:22 AM

Emeka

11-21-2003, 08:15 PM

I havea friend whi is Nigerian(I hope I spelt that right), we are cool as hell. Her parents are real cool too. But let's say me and her wanted to get married, her parents would put an axe right through that. She's only marrying a Nigerian man. Is this wrong? Hopefully yall know where I'm going with that question.

SayWord unfortunatly this is the way a lot of Nigerians(Africans really) think towards marriages outside thier ethnic group. For example the family of a yoruba man may frown at him trying to marry a woman of the Itsekiri ethnic group and vice versa. Call it ethno-chauvinism if you will. Inter-ethnic relationship can in some ways be compared to interracial unions, although not on the same scale. Although inter-ethnic unions is very prevalent in Nigerian society...one may encounter resistance from family members. Heck, sometimes even inter-religous union are frowned upon. I suppose this is because most African communities are ultra-conservative. and in conservative societies unions with "outsiders" are exstremely frowned upon.

panafrica

11-22-2003, 03:46 AM

Sekhemu

11-22-2003, 10:44 AM

Hello Chukwuemeka and SayWord

If I can interupt your conversation for one second, I'd like to point out that a African American dating an African would not be inter-racial dating, it would be inter-cultural dating. We are the same race: Black
Let me tell you what boggles the mind. That on a website like this, created and for the upliftment and co-hesion of the black family. That intergrationist would have the nerve to come here to interfere with the above mentioned objective.

Can any of you folks that support integration, tell us how mixing with white people will strength our cause and survival in this country. Malcom said it best. If you keep adding milk to a cup of coffee. the coffee will lose it's strength.

One person on this thread wrote we are all black or dark when the lights go out. Tell that to the birds, pigeons don't breed with falcons, now do they?

Abisha

11-23-2003, 12:34 PM

I had a friend from Eritrea, and her cousin married an African American Man, they finally had a baby and thier mom use to pinch the baby and make him cry, because they never wanted thier daughter involved with an AAM because she said they a bad rep. about leaving wife and kids behind to the dogs.

I must admit I was stunned :jawdrop:

panafrica

11-24-2003, 04:12 AM

Abisha

11-24-2003, 01:24 PM

That is not a normal case, and I'd have to say that your friend's Aunt is a sick woman (Africans are not excused from mental illness). I know 1st hand that African & African American relationships can be successful; however, because not only do I know several happy A & AA couples. I myself am happily married to an African woman.

I'd also like to add that both my parents and her parents (who both come from a prominent African family) were both thrilled with our marriage, and our daughter. If you look for the negative, you will surely find it, because ignorance exist in all people (in all lands). However extreme and extra-ordinary cases should not be portrayed as ordinary. While I have encountered a few Africans that look down on African Americans. I have encounter 100x more that welcome us as brothers & sisters (and believe me I know a lot of Africans. ;)

I think it is generally the older generations that frown upon outside relations, but the younger generations have to find out how AA are on thier own, they can not listen to the media, if they think they have learned how we are from that perspective, they know nothing at all but just the negative. There is nothing to learn about AA in the media but negativity. Also if we think we know about Africans by listening to the media, we know nothing because the media portray negativities about them too. We have to learn each other and accecpt each other . We have to be patient with each other and tolerant of the things we don't know about each other, some things that are ok in our culture is frowned upon in thiers and some things that are done in thier culture we would consider it vain. Some have very bad expereinces trying to cross over be it interracial /intercultural or whatever, but we all have to learn from our mistakes or our lessons, and take the good and the bad/the bitter and the sweet. Thanks to God for all expereinces because that is more knowledge under our belt that we have learned and we have a lot more to go, and beleive me I KNOW A LOT OF AFRICANS TOO!

Abisha

11-24-2003, 01:31 PM

Let me tell you what boggles the mind. That on a website like this, created and for the upliftment and co-hesion of the black family. That intergrationist would have the nerve to come here to interfere with the above mentioned objective.

Can any of you folks that support integration, tell us how mixing with white people will strength our cause and survival in this country. Malcom said it best. If you keep adding milk to a cup of coffee. the coffee will lose it's strength.

One person on this thread wrote we are all black or dark when the lights go out. Tell that to the birds, pigeons don't breed with falcons, now do they?

We are HUMANS
HUMANS don't BREED
We are not to be compared with all other animals life or forms
Some act as if we are a different species from each other and we are not
If you must compare us to animals then , how about horses?

Horses will mate whether they are black/white/brown or mixed, Why? because they are all horses.

Mahogany_Brown

11-24-2003, 02:05 PM

Quote from "The United Independent Compensatory Code/System/Concept"

'When a white man [under conditions dominated by White Supremacy] has sexual intercourse with a Black female, the Black female not only becomes confused in her thoughts about Racism, but about all of her values, in all areas of activity. Most of the time she does not see that something is not being done "for" her, but "against" her. By recieving money and/or flattery in return for being used, sexually, she likely becomes confused about her true status. She may have a vague notion that she is somehow being raped or robbed, but she usually does not associate what is being done to her as being an act of Racist Aggression. She usually prefers to "believe" that her acts of sexual intercourse with white men is a "private" and/or "personal" matter.'

Sekhemu

11-24-2003, 02:29 PM

We are HUMANS
HUMANS don't BREED
We are not to be compared with all other animals life or forms
Some act as if we are a different species from each other and we are not
If you must compare us to animals then , how about horses?

Horses will mate whether they are black/white/brown or mixed, Why? because they are all horses.

Abisha you obvioulsy must be dealing with quite a bit of guilt IMHO. I did not mention you or anyone else by name in my previous reply.

It is my strong belief that white people are a mutant race. Borne out by a history of barbarism and destruction on their part. Not all of them, but far too many fit this profile.

Horses, donkeys, pony's, zebras et al are all members of the same subspecies. Zebras do not generally mix with ponies, and mules are genetic hybrid. So what does that tell you?

If my memory serves me correctly you present your self as a black woman who wears "gothic" clothing. How close is that to the African experience and condition in this country?

I posed the question of how does integration help the dire circumstance of self hatred among our people. What does integration do to raise the level of self-love and repair the rift we find between black men and women.

As I said in another thread, integration as a whole, has done far more damage than good. The miscegnation during slavery has a direct impact on how we view complexion in this country, not to mention hair texture. Is this what you call a healthy legacy? I doubt you will answer that one, just the way you choose to avoid any delicate question that makes you uncomfortable.

If you wanna be with the white man, go right ahead. Just stop trying to convince us that being with whites is a healthy choice for our survival as a race

Abisha

11-24-2003, 08:39 PM

Abisha you obvioulsy must be dealing with quite a bit of guilt IMHO. I did not mention you or anyone else by name in my previous reply.

It is my strong belief that white people are a mutant race. Borne out by a history of barbarism and destruction on their part. Not all of them, but far too many fit this profile.

Horses, donkeys, pony's, zebras et al are all members of the same subspecies. Zebras do not generally mix with ponies, and mules are genetic hybrid. So what does that tell you?

If my memory serves me correctly you present your self as a black woman who wears "gothic" clothing. How close is that to the African experience and condition in this country?

I posed the question of how does integration help the dire circumstance of self hatred among our people. What does integration do to raise the level of self-love and repair the rift we find between black men and women.

As I said in another thread, integration as a whole, has done far more damage than good. The miscegnation during slavery has a direct impact on how we view complexion in this country, not to mention hair texture. Is this what you call a healthy legacy? I doubt you will answer that one, just the way you choose to avoid any delicate question that makes you uncomfortable.

If you wanna be with the white man, go right ahead. Just stop trying to convince us that being with whites is a healthy choice for our survival as a race Goth attire is very close to the African tribal wear the black leather bands, the chokers and the dark make-up C'mon now!
There is no help for our race except God and if God can't do it , it can not be done. I am no longer praying for our black men to come back to us but I am praying that God do not leave black females alone, because statistics say that "Black women are more than likely to have children alone", Believe me it 'aint white men leaving us with the babies, it's Mookie! Yes mam! Mookie is on his job full-time, and we love Mookie to the end. It's time for Black women to wake up and smell the coffee, Where is the Love!!?? Love comes in every color and many times black women are afraid to try another color because we are taught it is wrong. If we want our happiness as women, and if love comes our way in another color we should jump for it! What good has it done our people by staying with each other because of race? It has left many black women alone with babies!

Emeka

11-25-2003, 05:03 AM

Goth attire is very close to the African tribal wear the black leather bands, the chokers and the dark make-up C'mon now!
There is no help for our race except God and if God can't do it , it can not be done. I am no longer praying for our black men to come back to us but I am praying that God do not leave black females alone, because statistics say that "Black women are more than likely to have children alone", Believe me it 'aint white men leaving us with the babies, it's Mookie! Yes mam! Mookie is on his job full-time, and we love Mookie to the end. It's time for Black women to wake up and smell the coffee, Where is the Love!!?? Love comes in every color and many times black women are afraid to try another color because we are taught it is wrong. If we want our happiness as women, and if love comes our way in another color we should jump for it! What good has it done our people by staying with each other because of race? It has left many black women alone with babies!

Are you serious?!! Which type of African "tribal" wear are you dreaming about? Abisha from reading some of you're post I'm beginning to suspect that you have some VERY big complexes that you need to sort out. I don't know what it is but from you're posting I'm getting the vibe that may be it's you with the self loathing issues, and you're anger towards black men is really suppressed anger towards yourself. Isn't it strange how you disrespect those black men who date/marry whites? Yet you yourself are in a relationship with a white guy. You repeatedly infer that only since you've been dating this WHITE guy have you found happiness. You keep using how some black men continue to leave black women for white women as an excuse to justify your own lust for white men. You reason that because black guys are doing it you should do it. You’re even delusional enough to believe that white men won’t leave you once you have kids-like “Mookie” (a derogatory term for a young black male) will. Well this shows how ignorant you are of history. Take serious look at the African-American community and see how highly miscegenated it is. This did not just happen in the last few decades, but since black people first set foot on these shores. Most of the “integrating” then was between black females and white males. And what did the white males do after giving birth…they disowned their own children.

You’re urging other black women to follow you’re wonderful example and “smell the coffee” But what really hurts me is when you say: “What good has it done our people by staying with each other because of race? It has left black women alone with babies.” My God, I’ve never seen such low self esteem in my life!!! Is this what you really feel, about black relationships and our self worth? If so, you REALLY do have some serious problems with your own self worth. All you’re doing is following that slavish habit (which is all too common amongst black people) of denigrating your own whilst praising those of you’re traducers. Abisha if this really is you’re attitude, then deep down in you’re soul you’re still a slave. Maybe not physically, but you are a slave never the less. This may explain you’re sudden conversion to white men, which I’m sure wasn’t sudden at all.

Heck, you even wear gothic clothes and try to pass it on as “African.” Walk down the streets of Abuja, Nigeria and I’m sure you’ll find no clothing even close to being similar to gothic. Don't make me laugh!

Abisha

11-25-2003, 07:16 AM

how ignorant you are of history. Take serious look at the African-American community and see how highly miscegenated it is. This did not just happen in the last few decades, but since black people first set foot on these shores. Most of the “integrating” then was between black females and white males. And what did the white males do after giving birth…they disowned their own children.

You’re urging other black women to follow you’re wonderful example . Don't make me laugh!

That was then but who's doing it now... what excuse can we continue to give for these women raising children alone and believe me women and children is not a family, it's half a family. The man is suppose to be in the picture somewhere.

The life of the Black community does not rest on the black womens shoulders alone, the stats show that the majority of us have been left behind for whatever reason, are left to the dogs to suffer and denied by our own men. Mookie is leaving many US women alone to raise a community of blacks.

Check out the reading Under:On finding Black men with similar educations and incomes:, and On being loyal to Black men and more Black men marrying outside the race than Black women do:

http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/african/Article_Detail.asp?Article_ID=15269

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A49105-2003Feb9?language=printer

Unwed birth rate for black women 69% what the F*uck is that??http://www.derekcrane.com/misc.%20pages/facts.htm

others are apparently having babies but are married, because the birth rate for them are very high.

There are brothers out there supporting thier families, Kudos to you!! Thank God for you, keep up the good work! but for many others:

Who is disowning black women with the children now ? Is it the WHITE MAN? are you telling me that black stats show that black females are raising kids on thier own because of the WHITE MAN, hahaha

Tell me more excuses, I would love to hear them :deal: :cuss:

You wear black designed clothes only? :boring:If so where do you shop?
Are your undies made by BLacks only?
Are your socks made by BLacks only?
Are your T-Shirts made by BLacks only?

I bet from your T-Shirt to your shoes, you are wearing lots of things white people make or have made, maybe you wear black only clothes, I don't know, but that is your business, I don't mock your style of dress so don't mock my style of dress becuase it's not what YOU would approve of as dressing black. Yes Goth does remind ME of African Attire, but it only has silver studs added to the leather bands instead of just the leather band. It's nothing wrong with wearing Goth it's what comes from within your own heart that matters.

The food you eat comes from a farm that a white man owns, and used a truck that the white man bought to give to a store that the white man got a loan for. Uh oh get back that couch you are sitting on may be Italian designed:boring:

African tribes wore bands around their wrists and chokers around the neck, maybe they called them something else. What about the Egyptian style attire, they wore bands around the wrists, and jewerly necklaces that were close fitted, also some of the rock n' roll drum beats where do you thing they came from? The beats originate from Africa. They are African tribal beats, we have many more things in common with each other than you know. We should tap into our common grounds, instead of continuing to teach hate against one another. We can't stop the world from hating Each other but Each One Teach One. God esteems me and I don't need any man to help Me with that, As you percieve me....is not reality. I feel very good about life and I love all men on this earth no matter what color or Creed, that is the way God wants us to love, not just love black people only, why limit love? Why limit God? Only people that look down on others have LOW SELF ESTEEM and LOW SELF WORTH, wow maybe it's you.... :nono:

I did not know my example was wonderful, but thanks for the compliment :spin: :boring:

:fairy: THANK GOD FOR THE BORHTERS THAT ARE OUT THERE CARING AND LOVING THEIR CHILDREN, THIS MESSAGE IS NOT FOR MEN WHO CARE AND :love: LOVE THIER CHILDREN. THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE BROTHERS WHO DISSOWN YOUR YOUR CHILDREN. :bomb:

Khasm13

11-25-2003, 01:36 PM

@abisha
like white men don't disown their children...omg...what a waste this thread is...
can you say...brainwashed by tel-lie-vision
and... tainted by da media...
do you think that black men everywhere act like we do here? well we don't...only in this country...hmmm...i wonder why that is...could it be because of masta create'n house negros and slave negros...jiggaboos and coons...run to our oppressor that makes us feel lessor...thas like the sheep run'n to da wolf...at least it is in my eyes...you know really i'm not knock'n you...i just don't agree with your arguement...you sound like a republican :)
do what makes you happy...just don't try to convince others that this is the right way...because it is far from right....matta fact its way to da left...black folks i believe will work out our problems in this country...what is life without hope...i refuse to be assimilated into this screw faced society like that because of lack of hope...never no more...never no more...never will masta pimp me like a whore...neva no more
peace
khasm

Abisha

11-25-2003, 08:11 PM

triniti424

11-25-2003, 08:35 PM

$$RICH$$

11-26-2003, 02:03 AM

simply said we should stay within our own race to become stronger and not go on and on over a issue
that simply tell you it's not of best for the culture or our
creed
black on black
not mixture of races but we all have our own way of how and who we love ....
once said to me i like my coffee black !!

free your minds and the rest will follow

Sekhemu

11-26-2003, 11:49 AM

Goth attire is very close to the African tribal wear the black leather bands, the chokers and the dark make-up C'mon now!
There is no help for our race except God and if God can't do it , it can not be done. I am no longer praying for our black men to come back to us but I am praying that God do not leave black females alone, because statistics say that "Black women are more than likely to have children alone", Believe me it 'aint white men leaving us with the babies, it's Mookie! Yes mam! Mookie is on his job full-time, and we love Mookie to the end. It's time for Black women to wake up and smell the coffee, Where is the Love!!?? Love comes in every color and many times black women are afraid to try another color because we are taught it is wrong. If we want our happiness as women, and if love comes our way in another color we should jump for it! What good has it done our people by staying with each other because of race? It has left many black women alone with babies!

This is a really pathetic argument on your part Abisha. Gothic attire is very close to the African tribal wear et al. That sounds like an excerpt our of national geophrics. Let's say for arguments sake this is true. what do these superficial comparisons have to do with afro-centric conciousness? hmmmm?

"there is no help for our race except from God, and if God can't do it, it can't be done"
What God are you talking about? The African God I know of, says the Solutions to our problems lay with us as a people.

You post a link about stats of single women raising children alone. However you conveniently fail to mention that most of these women are unwed. The problem is too many of these same women do not insist on being married before sex or having a child. Not to mention not taking enough time to get to know their respective parnters. So don't put the blame solely on the shoulders of one gender.

'White men ain't leaving us with babies" , that comes dangerously close to saying white men are better husbands and fathers than black men. I would suppose these same white men are also tearing down glass ceilings and institutional racism, racial profiling et al, huh? yea right!

The criminal justice system and corporate america has never been and never will be a friend to black people. Institutions run by your friends....the white male. So they don't need to "leave us with babies" They're hard at work at making sure that institutions of higher learning and access to medical care become more and more elusive for black families, and black men in general

Your demeaning references to mookie, i.e. misguided black men is very mean spirited and narrowminded. Most black men do not fit this ridiculous description. And by constantly making allusions to it...is one dimensional at best, as it relates to the dyamic of the black male experience in this country.

You don't care if black people disappear from the face of the earth, in fact it appears that you endorse this notion. But one question for you, is there a white website or interracial website that offers as much positive re-inforcement for blacks as this one?

This site is about healing and bridging the gaps between us. Healing a nation. Historically speaking, in Africa, women were trusted with the role of teacher and healer. The healing of our nation can only begin if our women have the respective mindset, for they are our childrens first teachers

Abisha

11-26-2003, 12:10 PM

hmmm Abisha...Is AA parenting THAT bad?? It brought YOU here didnt it? oh wait maybe I just answered my own question... :rolleyes:

Arent you just shooting yourself in the heart here?? There is a heart...is there???

If you want to be happy with who you want to be happy with then go ahead sister...go be happy...and live your life...I mean that but your attempts to make it fact...on a PRO-BLACK site...it aint happening here...I respect your opinion...and I disagree but I respect it nonetheless...so lets not bash the blak essence that brought us into existence and leave it at that.
Personal Attacks:boring:
Well Trinity :read: when I came along the problems of parenting for African Americans did not suffer the same type of problems we face today :fight: Parenting when I came along was no problems like: where is daddy? It was back in the days of Martin Luther King :luvv: In those days it was much more family :lol: happiness, :luvv: love and less :maddd: :maddd: bickering with each other. You can't compare parenting to then and know, now there is a totally different set of people raising families now, :idea: minus the men in many cases. I NEVER SAID BAD PARENTING, DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! :sand: WHEN I spoke of parenting I am speaking on a Stats level, and the many articles that I have read about US AA. I could care less if you agree with the stats or not, but the facts are there for everyone to read them. I am tired of many AA family related excuses for not raising there kids, it has to stop. I love all people and I want to see a change in the behavior of the way our family structure is. Hell I can't change the world or world views, and that is what I mean when I say we are known intrenationally for bad parenting. We are not the only target for negative news, don't act as this is your first time hearing this. We are on this board to tell the truth and many , we have to stop babying and sugar coating stuff. The stats are right that is the way it is Trinity, and if you want to argue with someone go to those sites that I mentioned and argue with the poeple that made the stats, don't come at me I got my info. from reading and some by life expereinces.

For those women who feel that they can raise children alone KUDOS and to the men that are doing your part thanks to God for you! If there are any women alone with kids and , find love it should not matter what race go for it, because it's not enough good black men for every black woman, if we wait for black men only some of us will fall short, My advice to all people is to go by God's leading:luvv: :lol: The AA dads&moms are doing a fine job, but the stats show that too many households are lead by women with children only, that is so sad :kiss:

Many celebrate thier mom on Mother's day and Father's, Oh Tinity I am so sure you have not heard of that either...... :blush: My thoughts are so foriegn that no body knows what I'm talking about :driveby: LET'S BE REAL :grouphug:

Abisha

11-26-2003, 12:36 PM

This is a really pathetic argument on your part Abisha. Gothic attire is very close to the African tribal wear et al. That sounds like an excerpt our of national geophrics. Let's say for arguments sake this is true. what do these superficial comparisons have to do with afro-centric conciousness? hmmmm?

"there is no help for our race except from God, and if God can't do it, it can't be done"
What God are you talking about? The African God I know of, says the Solutions to our problems lay with us as a people.

You post a link about stats of single women raising children alone. However you conveniently fail to mention that most of these women are unwed. The problem is too many of these same women do not insist on being married before sex or having a child. Not to mention not taking enough time to get to know their respective parnters. So don't put the blame solely on the shoulders of one gender.

'White men ain't leaving us with babies" , that comes dangerously close to saying white men are better husbands and fathers than black men. I would suppose these same white men are also tearing down glass ceilings and institutional racism, racial profiling et al, huh? yea right!

The criminal justice system and corporate america has never been and never will be a friend to black people. Institutions run by your friends....the white male. So they don't need to "leave us with babies" They're hard at work at making sure that institutions of higher learning and access to medical care become more and more elusive for black families, and black men in general

Your demeaning references to mookie, i.e. misguided black men is very mean spirited and narrowminded. Most black men do not fit this ridiculous description. And by constantly making allusions to it...is one dimensional at best, as it relates to the dyamic of the black male experience in this country.

You don't care if black people disappear from the face of the earth, in fact it appears that you endorse this notion. But one question for you, is there a white website or interracial website that offers as much positive re-inforcement for blacks as this one?

This site is about healing and bridging the gaps between us. Healing a nation. Historically speaking, in Africa, women were trusted with the role of teacher and healer. The healing of our nation can only begin if our women have the respective mindset, for they are our childrens first teachers

What about my questions ? You are still getting on me about the Goth wear, I am sure what you wear is not all black owned. There is love and hate in every race of people , some blacks have so much hate they can not even sit in church together, some whites hate each other because they are foriegn and some foriegn whites hate AW's . There is hate in every race.

Don't point the fingers at me and pretend that I have the power to stop IR dating, this was happening long before me and it will continue. Many AA women feel that they don't have any choices if the BM don't pay them any attention. Read the articles I posted... many BF are resulting to adopting children to feel loved becuase they have gained success and no BM in view. Adopting is great because it fullfills the loney females heart. If there is no BM around they will adopt and maybe gain love from a child that had no love. Single parent adoption is what many AAW are doing, and in the article it stipulates that they wanted chlidren but marriage never came. Were are the AAM, I did not start this **** so don't blame me.

The community can no longer rests on the shoulder of households headed by women only, there must be a change! Many refuse to be alone forever. Some chose adpotion , some chose IR love, we never intended to deplete the Black Race but we want marriage, love and many are not getting that type of attention any more, and some are lucky enough to find it with in thier own, some are not but we have to move on, and not suffer if you dont' find love in your own race, if it comes in another color we have to move on

Because the preservation of the Black Race does not rest on the shoulders of women!

WHAT I CHOOSE TO :teach:WEAR DOES NOT DEPLETE OR ADD TO MY LEVEL OF CONCIOUSNESS! IF YOU WEAR GUCCI IT DOES NOT DEPLETE YOUR LEVEL DOES IT?

triniti424

11-26-2003, 12:50 PM

I never argued the validity of those "stats" but if I were to live my life by every white ruled statistical summation then...I'd probably be leaning more towards your end...

but I do not
and I will not
because I simply can not
my sista dont you see...this is not about YOUr personal preference...this is about the survival of our people...the voice of our ancestors...you yourself say you are a musical artist so tell me...can you hear yourself when other people are screaming at the same time?? Some voices just dont blend together...no matter how you try the harmony is always a lil off-key.

and yes there are many tragic relationships among our people but has the situation gone awry to where we have no more hope among each other? Where are all that stats for the success' of our people? Lets pull those stats up...wait they didnt shine their lights on that one...big surprise.

There is a saying I am sure you are familiar with...where there is a will...there is a way. Perhaps your "will" was not enough to sustain you to your "way" so your "will" became a "wont"

Like I said...if you can find harmony with he whom you have chosen...then I do wish you the sincerest of happiness...
but TRUE harmony...can take their song and sing it anyway and anyhow and anystyle anywhere...if you find yourself only able to sing the same sad song...then maybe your melody is not as harmonic as you thought.

Khasm13

11-26-2003, 01:39 PM

^5 triniti

Khasm13

11-26-2003, 01:53 PM

Abisha

11-26-2003, 01:54 PM

Abisha

11-26-2003, 02:07 PM

@abisha...
old school huh?
well you sound like you have some old wounds...
that have never healed
and that have made you bitter...
if you have ever heard of the phrase cause and effect
then you would know that you are turning to the very people
that caused this adverse effect on black folks...
i'm not lay'n the entire blame on them...but a significant role is
the role they played in our dysfunctional relationships...so by give'n your "stats" and follow'n your "stats" all you are doing is play'n into the hands of a country that cares for you not in da slightest bit...whether you know it or not...or even care...black people like you are keep'n us back...because if we were all on the same page and moved together as one...we would run this country...

oreo cookies give me a stomach ache...
peace
khasmThat's good :boring: lay the blame on me for our communities dyfunctional families:boring: :kiss: :flamet:
:flamet: Old Wounds huh? , like no one bears any wounds from life.
:tongue: Bitter? like you never lived life, perfect, never had to be a single parent, I'm sure :kiss:
:kiss: You are perfect and have everything all thought out.
Go ahead with your none bitter,un-wounded self and :smash: badger me, that's cool too :yo:

Khasm13

11-26-2003, 02:12 PM

:puke:

:puke:

:puke:

triniti424

11-26-2003, 02:24 PM

sista abisha...a "blind eye"?

okay...

my biological father, handsome blak man and human in his errors, left my mother, a lovely young blak and samoan woman. He wanted nothing to do with a child or at least not me ...he is what YOU have penned as a "mookie" so dont tell me bout what my eye can and can not see...

I am a product of those statistics of yours
I am not blinded now
nor have I ever been to the ailments of our people
It is why I am so grounded in the power of blak love because I have LIVED the pains of not having it consistently by my side.

Who said we are not acknowledging the problems of our people??
EVERYONE in this tainted society is CONSTANTLY pointing out the problems among our people. The difference is...they point it out to demean not to uplift...

so explain to me how it HELPs our people to bond with those who seek to burden us and turn us against each other?
How is it so vital to our survival to leave blak love?

because thas the implication that I get from you...and if that way of thinking were prevalent among us...than there wont be anymore of our "people" left
How can you help and heal blak love...without the blak?

you wanted my statistics to contrast yours...I was born into the statistics...and here I am now bonded and built with the blakness from which I was bred...wanna read the case study in person my sista...

Abisha

11-26-2003, 02:24 PM

:puke:

:puke:

:puke:
:thanks:
:kiss:
:laugh:

Abisha

11-26-2003, 02:30 PM

sista abisha...a "blind eye"?

okay...

my biological father, handsome blak man and human in his errors, left my mother, a lovely young blak and samoan woman. He wanted nothing to do with a child or at least not me ...he is what YOU have penned as a "mookie" so dont tell me bout what my eye can and can not see...

...and here I am now bonded and built with the blakness from which I was bred...wanna read the case study in person my sista...
It does not make me anyone less pro black because of who they date, God says it's ok to mix because he made the mixture. If God says it's good than man can not :driveby: condemn anyone for that. :star:

I love all people and give a personal appology for your parents separation :grouphug: that is why all people need to be there for each other. I pray that the Lord will bless family togetherness. Something had to happen for the reasons your dad left , many men have problems they do not share with thier spouse and problems remain a mystery. I believe God that he will be proud of the wonderful job your mom has done to raise such a beautiful heart Trinity!

Abisha

11-26-2003, 03:32 PM

triniti424

11-26-2003, 03:54 PM

Abisha

11-26-2003, 04:06 PM

okay see...my island family raised me...
so I wont go into how
hawaiians...polynesian islanders PERIOD feel about the white man...thas a history tragedy tale in itself...
thas why so many island brethren identify with the blak mans struggle they have a common oppressor...
anotha big surprise :rolleyes: You are right^5 they do identify with the black struggles but I don't think they hate whites and they do mix with them too. :love:

NNQueen

11-26-2003, 04:18 PM

This discussion is getting heated. Sister Abisha you appear to be on the defensive which can oftentimes lead to personal attacks which I encourage participants in this discussion make an effort to refrain from.

It's quite obvious that not everyone here is going to agree on this topic. People have offered their reasons for feeling and believing the way they do. Sister Abisha, it appears that you are a religious woman because you often quote the Bible to explain your position. However, not everyone here will agree with you on the position that you are taking on this topic for a number of reasons including your religious doctrine. We're not all the same nor do we all subscribe to the same philosophical principles. It's great if you have the ability to reach a spiritual plain that gets you beyond the affects of racism and racists such that you can love them the same as you love your own people. You obviously see that as a good thing because your religion has you convinced that it is good. If that works for you that's a good thing.

Those that don't agree with you have given you their best reasons why they don't. That, however, doesn't mean they aren't motivated by their spiritual beliefs just as you seem to be. So quoting the Bible may not have the power to persuade them as you might believe it should.

Question.....why should Black people always be expected to be the most generous and forgiving human being on the planet? Why should we be the only ones that practice your suggestion to just let people live and love as they see fit? Have we always been allowed that privilege and opportunity? Why don't you post that edict (or maybe you have) on a majority white supremist message board? I'm not challenging you or mean to sound rude, but sometimes I get tired of people expecting us to always be the laughing, singing, dancing fools that racists stereotypically portray us as. Where has 'forgiveness' gotten us? Don't we deserve to be who we want to be and don't we have good reason to want to confine our best love for each other and not people different from us? Aren't there enough of us running around with physical features to remind the world how often the massa had his way with us without our permission? Can't you see that many of us are doing just as you suggest...we're living and loving who we want...Black on Black in Black all about Black...I love Black!

Peace!

triniti424

11-26-2003, 04:32 PM

Sekhemu

11-26-2003, 04:54 PM

sista Queen couldnt have said it better myself...
I grow so weary of validating these "is it okay to be with the white man?" type conversations so I'm just gonna stop...this topic doesnt even deserve the energy that we are giving it...my time is better spent lovin my blak brotha...

I dont "think" that all blak brethren HATE white folks either...problem is too many of us are so passive and accepting to where it is detrimental...and of course there are those islanders who mix with the white man...they arent too different from the sista or brotha that chooses the white man...

so with that being said I do believe sista Queen has elaborated enough for us who choose to live and love the in the beauty of blak love...

sista NNQueen much much :heart: to ya
sista Abisha...my best wishes to you and your mental spiritual & physical stability

NNQueen and Trinity I wholeheartedly agree with you both.
Abisha you spend a tremendous amount of energy defending white people, however I have yet to see you post anything in the way of the assault on black liberation and conciousness on the part of white males.

If your western Judeo/christian Gods says it is alright for you to mix, then you go ahead, and join that big melting pot in the sky.

You obviously have given up on your black men. Because your premise is that the only option is to date outside of your race, rather than find other solutions. Maybe it's not that black men don't want you, it's probably because you do not project anything that a black man can Identify with. including Africa.

One last thing. for every action there is an equal and like reaction. I was raised by a single mother, along with 2 brothers. My mother never married, and never did she say, not once, that black men are abondoning black women for non-black women. Okay! Not once in her 72 years has she ever said that. So like Trininty. I'm one of your so-called statistics. My mother explained to all of my siblings that she made the wrong choice in our father. That indeed she made a mistake with him. Didn't blame him for all of the problems, she simply realized that she played a role. This is the point you do not want to see

but I ain't madatcha, Peace

Abisha

11-26-2003, 05:00 PM

Why don't you post that edict (or maybe you have) on a majority white supremist message board? Where has 'forgiveness' gotten us? Don't we deserve to be who we want to be and don't we have good reason to want to confine our best love for each other and not people different from us?loving who we want...Black on Black in Black all about Black...I love Black!

Peace!
I love black too, I also love all. The reason I am not posting on a White Supremist Board because I am not white. I am also not posting on a Black Supremist Board so why would I go to a White suprimist board? We should all be with who wants to be with us, be nice to those that are nice to us and even if they are not so nice, we still should not harbor hate, hate only bring sickness and ill health to one's self. God has given us the will to do what we want, so we must do that. I don't care if no some do not wish to elaborate any further, that's ok too, but if someone addressed me with " Why did you say this?" You will get my answer, you may or may not like my answer , but nevertheless I will speak out if someone ask me a question about my words. I only opened my mouth because someone addressed me.

Abisha

11-26-2003, 05:08 PM

Abisha you spend a tremendous amount of energy defending white people, however I have yet to see you post anything in the way of the assault on black liberation and conciousness on the part of white males.

If your western Judeo/christian Gods says it is alright for you to mix, then you go ahead, and join that big melting pot in the sky.

Maybe it's not that black men don't want you, it's probably because you do not project anything that a black man can Identify with. including Africa.

This is the point you do not want to see

but I ain't madatcha, Peace

Sekhemu I am not psoting to defend White people as You say, but I am posting to defend all people, remember I love all not just one race as you try to portray me doing. I think everyone should have the rights to love everyone if they chose to . For you it's all about the Whites but for me it's all about People and color or creed does not matter. I think all should love Black,Asian, White, Indian it does not matter what the color is, but women should not be punished or persecuted for who loves them back.

__________________

Hey my dad was never there either and I would get strokes to the mouth if I ever spoke anything negative, I knew better... I have too many kids and that is what they are running away from , women with children.

but I ain't madatcha neither. :nono:

NNQueen

11-27-2003, 11:00 PM

think everyone should have the rights to love everyone if they chose to .
I agree

women should not be punished or persecuted for who loves them back.
I agree again.

My reason for suggesting that you post your "why can't we all just get along" message on a white supremist message board is because it's my guess like many of us, they too would have a few choice words to share to describe their feelings about that as much as we have. Going around loving everybody sounds good, sorta gives you a warm feeling all over, :fairy: , but it's just not going to happen in the world of people who have had a racist experience and are more conscious about the evils of racism AND the people that practice it.

But again, if loving everybody works for you, that's a beautiful thing. But I dare say, you are a minority among African Americans.

I am curious about the number of discussions that take palce here on this topic. I know the root cause of the conversation but we feed into it so much energy and usually saying the same things over and over. The repetition does tend to get a bit tiresome. But, there is one thing that strikes me as interesting about these conversations, particularly when I read people who practice the "love everybody regardless of who they are" lifestyle. For those sisters/brothers that participate in interracial relationships, especially with white people, in spite of the attraction, how do you KNOW the person you're with isn't a racist after all? There's an old but familiar saying, "scratch a white liberal and you'll find a racist every time."

Just curious...

Emeka

11-28-2003, 04:59 AM

I agree

I agree again.

My reason for suggesting that you post your "why can't we all just get along" message on a white supremist message board is because it's my guess like many of us, they too would have a few choice words to share to describe their feelings about that as much as we have. Going around loving everybody sounds good, sorta gives you a warm feeling all over, :fairy: , but it's just not going to happen in the world of people who have had a racist experience and are more conscious about the evils of racism AND the people that practice it.

But again, if loving everybody works for you, that's a beautiful thing. But I dare say, you are a minority among African Americans.

I am curious about the number of discussions that take palce here on this topic. I know the root cause of the conversation but we feed into it so much energy and usually saying the same things over and over. The repetition does tend to get a bit tiresome. But, there is one thing that strikes me as interesting about these conversations, particularly when I read people who practice the "love everybody regardless of who they are" lifestyle. For those sisters/brothers that participate in interracial relationships, especially with white people, in spite of the attraction, how do you KNOW the person you're with isn't a racist after all? There's an old but familiar saying, "scratch a white liberal and you'll find a racist every time."

Just curious...

NNQ, speaking from personal experience, I've usually found out that it's the most liberal whites who always hang around black people, who are the most racist of all. I'm talking about the ones that mimic the black style of dressing and acting and try to come across like they see no difference between black and white people. Yet behind our backs they use the N-word as easily as fish glides through water. Some of these white people even use the word in front of their black friends and get away with it because the black ones believe their saying it as a "term of endearment." Not too long ago I had the same attitude as Abisha and most black people. You know...that black and white people should get over racism and love each other as people rather than races. This was the case until I discovered that my white "friends" weren't as friendly to black people as they led me to believe. Then I started to see and notice subtle things about the way white people would treat blacks-which we accepted-that I had not noticed before. This experienced completely traumatized me, because it meant that what I had been led to believe my whole life and what was actually reality were two completely different things. In other words I felt like some one who had woken up from a good dream into an evil nightmare (I really can identify with the characters from the movie The Matrix-lol)! Till this day I still have problems adjusting to this new reality of racism. This experience seriously damaged the very essence of my soul. I mean, can you imagine over the period of a year discovering with unmistakable clarity that all you thoughts about an entire people and your place in the world was a lie! Now, whilst I still don't hate white people, I can't say that I can or will ever be able to trust them again. Because, I keep thinking to myself: "yeah they're nice to my face but I wonder how they are when there are no black people around."

Abisha

11-28-2003, 10:30 AM

I agree

I agree again.

but it's just not going to happen in the world of people who have had a racist experience and are more conscious about the evils of racism AND the people that practice it.

But again, if loving everybody works for you, that's a beautiful thing. But I dare say, you are a minority among African Americans.

how do you KNOW the person you're with isn't a racist after all? There's an old but familiar saying, "scratch a white liberal and you'll find a racist every time."

Just curious...

Racism happens all the time and of course I have delt with it through prayer and God works things out .

I am a minority :read: because where I live there aren't too many black people 4% black,30% Asian, 50%Latino , and the rest white. That is what it says in my phonebook but since it is the white man's stats. I could be wrong, it looks like more than 50% Latinos and less than 4%blacks here, and it also seems like 8% whites because they are here and counted but I don't see many ;of them around. I'm not moving because we bought a home here 4 years ago.

Maybe you are right the person I am with could be racist but he chose not to be at this moment in time,but he is not white and can not be labled as a white liberal, He is Hawaiian and they ave had their fair share in the 1800's but many of them are leaving that behind them now. Some are and some are not. although he is hawaiian, but he looks like a japaneese but if anyone asks him of his heritage he claim full hawaiian. If anything he has gotten his share of :fight: racism too, we both understand each others struggles. He choses to ignore :idea: what problems he has had with racism by going on with his life and not allowing things to stop him. Worrying about racism will not stop it, but it only brings ill health. We are suppose to cast our cares upon the Lord that made the heavens and the earth, God can and will fix any problems we face. God made us and although some do not want us to be here, some wish to have an ethinic cleansing but there is no way they can wipe out what God has put here, without destroying themselves as well because we are suppose to be here.

Abisha

11-28-2003, 10:43 AM

NNQ, speaking from personal experience, I've usually found out that it's the most liberal whites who always hang around black people, who are the most racist of all. I'm talking about the ones that mimic the black style of dressing and acting and try to come across like they see no difference between black and white people. Yet behind our backs they use the N-word as easily as fish glides through water. Some of these white people even use the word in front of their black friends and get away with it because the black ones believe their saying it as a "term of endearment." Not too long ago I had the same attitude as Abisha and most black people. You know...that black and white people should get over racism and love each other as people rather than races. This was the case until I discovered that my white "friends" weren't as friendly to black people as they led me to believe. Then I started to see and notice subtle things about the way white people would treat blacks-which we accepted-that I had not noticed before. This experienced completely traumatized me, because it meant that what I had been led to believe my whole life and what was actually reality were two completely different things. In other words I felt like some one who had woken up from a good dream into an evil nightmare (I really can identify with the characters from the movie The Matrix-lol)! Till this day I still have problems adjusting to this new reality of racism. This experience seriously damaged the very essence of my soul. I mean, can you imagine over the period of a year discovering with unmistakable clarity that all you thoughts about an entire people and your place in the world was a lie! Now, whilst I still don't hate white people, I can't say that I can or will ever be able to trust them again. Because, I keep thinking to myself: "yeah they're nice to my face but I wonder how they are when there are no black people around."

You are right and I guess we all have things in our hearts that others do not hear that is what God says and he also says if you listen to your own servant close enough you will hear cussings. I have my share of thoughts for sure. Black people do the same things to each other, and it really hurts when you trust anyone and they are found to be a back stabber with words or in deeds. I think but I am not sure, but American rasicm is known all over the world because everyone gets a pock shot here from those who are in power aka
( the white man)and sometimes racism occurs from those who are not in power. You have some blacks that act nice to your face and behind your back they talk of you . My point is you are the same color as they are and you get betrayed too, no matter what color betrayal hurts to the max. What about the sis. that gave the high yellow remark when referring to another sis., our own can be victious if they do not like you, and anyone can be victious and it does not matter what race you are. Many races of people can identify with racism because we have all expereince in some form or another. We have all been hurt by one another and no race is immune to rascism, and no one is immune from being betrayed by thier own as well. We can trust no one but God and God will lead us who is our friend and who is not our friend. Race does not guarantee friendship, and sometimes you can find friends in another race that could treat you better than a brother and vice versa. Every person is different and just because they are the same race it does not guarantee freindship or it does not mean that they are an enemy.

LURK

11-28-2003, 01:44 PM

4 REAL GUYS...IF TWO PEOPLE LOVE EACH OTHER AND GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHA THAN THAS ALL U NEED.....I DONT SEE WHUT RACE HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING.....ME-I'M PUERTO RICAN AND I FIND ALL TYPES OF WOMAN ATTRACTIVE....BUT U SEE, THAT DOESNT MATTER IN RELATIONSHIPS..YEA-SOME PEOPLE ARE SUPERFICIAL AND WANT THA HOTTEST PERSON TO BE W/ THEM AND WHUT NOT BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU FIND SOMEBODY THAT MAKES U FEEL GOOD ABOUT YASELF AND YOUR LIFE THEN WHUT DOES IT MATTER THAT THAT PERSON IS WHITE,BLACK,HISPANIC,CHINESE,OR EVEN PURPLE FOR THAT MATTER......LOL.....I MEAN C'MON NOW...WE'RE ALL CREATED EQUAL.....LETS KEEP IT LIKE THAT.....JUST A RAZOR SHARP THOUGHT.....LURKSTLYLE.....
I HOPE I AINT OFFENDING NOBODY--I MEAN I DID READ SOME THINGS THAT SOME PEEPS SAID THAT KINDA OFFENDED ME, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERET OPINIONS....SO IF I DID OFFEND ANYBODY,PLEASE KNOW IT WASNT INTENTIONAL....ME- I GOT LOVE FOR EVERYBODY......I HAVE EVEN MORE LOVE FOR MY POETIC SISTAS ON HERE...YALL KNOW THAT.....ONELOVE YALL......

Abisha

11-29-2003, 12:38 AM

4 REAL GUYS...IF TWO PEOPLE LOVE EACH OTHER AND GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHA THAN THAS ALL U NEED.....I DONT SEE WHUT RACE HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING.....ME-I'M PUERTO RICAN AND I FIND ALL TYPES OF WOMAN ATTRACTIVE....BUT U SEE, THAT DOESNT MATTER IN RELATIONSHIPS..YEA-SOME PEOPLE ARE SUPERFICIAL AND WANT THA HOTTEST PERSON TO BE W/ THEM AND WHUT NOT BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU FIND SOMEBODY THAT MAKES U FEEL GOOD ABOUT YASELF AND YOUR LIFE THEN WHUT DOES IT MATTER THAT THAT PERSON IS WHITE,BLACK,HISPANIC,CHINESE,OR EVEN PURPLE FOR THAT MATTER......LOL.....I MEAN C'MON NOW...WE'RE ALL CREATED EQUAL.....LETS KEEP IT LIKE THAT.....JUST A RAZOR SHARP THOUGHT.....LURKSTLYLE...ME- I GOT LOVE FOR EVERYBODY......I HAVE EVEN MORE LOVE FOR MY POETIC SISTAS ON HERE...YALL KNOW THAT.....ONELOVE YALL......

Thanks for stopping by with some LUV LURKSTYLE my brotha^5

Sekhemu

12-02-2003, 04:45 PM

Thanks for stopping by with some LUV LURKSTYLE my brotha^5

You have too many kids? that's a loaded statement. Were you ever married Abisha? The fact that you live in an area where black men are a minority is part of the reason why the pickings are slim. As NNQueen said, you seem to intimate that if we all just loved each other everything would be ok. As long as white supremacy rules that will never come to past. As long as I walk down the street and white women and asian women hold on to their purses like I'm about to rob them, then I will see the world through the eyes of a black man.

You talk alot about your christian God and what "we" are supposed to follow concerning his laws, yet most of your fellow christians want nothing to do with black people and the problems we face as a race. So next time you toot your inter-racial let's all live together peacefully horn, try convincing your non-white friends to change their perception of black people

Finally, as has been stated numerous times in this thread and others. The black people on Destee are, for the most part, a cut above and beyond the person you call Mookie. In fact most of the people here have it together. So this makes me wonder if all your venting about black women not finding good black men is sincere. In light of the fact that the majority of women here rarely bring this up as an issue. If I may be so bold, it seems you are preaching to the converted in this regard.

You have not offered any concrete solutions to bringing black women and men together, save for suggesting this should be left in your god's hands. This is an intangible luxury that we as a people can not afford. Surely you know not all of the members here agree with your christian doctrine, and it would be naive at best, and arrogant at worst to insist we all must embrace your beliefs on religion.

The God of my ancestors, insist that I maintain and revere the traditions of those who came before me. This can not be done by erasing the dominant genetic strand in my DNA helix. Maybe you have no problem with not having this type of connection. I don't begrudge you for it. But I know better

You can have the last word on this topic, I'm sure it would do the ego good

Abisha

12-03-2003, 04:42 PM

You have too many kids? that's a loaded statement. Were you ever married Abisha? The fact that you live in an area where black men are a minority is part of the reason why the pickings are slim. As NNQueen said, you seem to intimate that if we all just loved each other everything would be ok. As long as white supremacy rules that will never come to past. As long as I walk down the street and white women and asian women hold on to their purses like I'm about to rob them, then I will see the world through the eyes of a black man.

You talk alot about your christian God and what "we" are supposed to follow concerning his laws, yet most of your fellow christians want nothing to do with black people and the problems we face as a race. So next time you toot your inter-racial let's all live together peacefully horn, try convincing your non-white friends to change their perception of black people

Finally, as has been stated numerous times in this thread and others. The black people on Destee are, for the most part, a cut above and beyond the person you call Mookie. In fact most of the people here have it together. So this makes me wonder if all your venting about black women not finding good black men is sincere. In light of the fact that the majority of women here rarely bring this up as an issue. If I may be so bold, it seems you are preaching to the converted in this regard.

You have not offered any concrete solutions to bringing black women and men together, save for suggesting this should be left in your god's hands. This is an intangible luxury that we as a people can not afford. Surely you know not all of the members here agree with your christian doctrine, and it would be naive at best, and arrogant at worst to insist we all must embrace your beliefs on religion.

The God of my ancestors, insist that I maintain and revere the traditions of those who came before me. This can not be done by erasing the dominant genetic strand in my DNA helix. Maybe you have no problem with not having this type of connection. I don't begrudge you for it. But I know better

You can have the last word on this topic, I'm sure it would do the ego good
:spin: You are right God is an action God and things don't just come by faith only if we want something we have to work at it faith without works is dead, and if we want the betterment for our communtiy we have to work at it.

As for Mookie I only learned that from Bro. Kemestry who taught me what a Mookie really is, I think a Mookie comes in many colors shapes and sizes and a senator could be a Mookie if he has children and later do not care for them.

I was married for 12 years and after my divorce I waited 4 years for Mr.BlackRight but it just did not happen. I don't know what I did to turn off the bros. , maybe they felt I was not the woman for them. I don't know how men think but I was not a choice among women. I will not crawl in a hole and die but I have to live on.

panafrica

12-06-2003, 05:01 AM

One thing has always puzzled me about liberal whites....perhaps Abisha or someone can answer this for me. Every liberal white I have every encountered, who denounced racism, and fought for equal rights. All of them, every last one of them...secretly lusted after black people. Seriously male or female if you talk deeply enough and long enough with a liberal white. They will ultimately express a desire to sleep with or be with a black person. This is true from whites who marched with Dr. Martin Luther King to the white girl who signed up for my Black Popular Culture class to the white guy/girl hangin out in the club.

So my question is this: IS IT POSSIBLE FOR BLACKS & WHITES TO GET ALONG IN THE STREETS, WITHOUT GETTING IT ON BETWEEN THE SHEETS? Personally I don't think it is, especially on the part of whites. Therefore I think I'll stay pro-black, and stick with my sisters.

yaphet al-wynn

12-10-2003, 12:26 AM

This is a true story of a tragedy that happened in Santa Clara CA, which involved a man killing his daughter, twin sons and wife and commiting suicide. We know that events like this happens in Black or white families but never with interracial couples-I would post-heck-
I'll post the link and destee can zap it at her leisure, but I'll tell you where to see it first-yahoo.com under local news SF bay area and in the SF Mercury in case that it doesn't work. See it quick the article has pictures.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/7448961.htm

yaphet al-wynn

12-10-2003, 12:30 AM

Sorry, didn't really mean 'never' but really meant hardly ever hear a tragedy like that happening with interracial couples.Sorry don't mean to mislead either-don't really know if the children are of the wife or ex-wife. If ex-wife was Black, then triple tragedy in the loss of her children.

love2474u

12-15-2003, 07:37 PM

Sekhemu

12-16-2003, 05:29 PM

Abish, I am happy for you that you've found love...PERIOD! it doesn't matter what colour the person is as long as they treat you with respect. There maybe people that will disagree but just ignore them and keep loving your man.

THose who want to intermarry and mix withe whites, think about this, you may as well kiss your inheritance good bye. You have ticket to caveman land, coming real soon

Abisha

12-16-2003, 08:29 PM

Abisha

12-16-2003, 08:35 PM

Abish, I am happy for you that you've found love...PERIOD! it doesn't matter what colour the person is as long as they treat you with respect. There maybe people that will disagree but just ignore them and keep loving your man. Thank you love2474u, there are a lot of things that can get in between love no matter what color but true love will stand the test, and love is really hard to find. No one should live without love and respect and thank God it does not rain always.

Thanks for your reply :thanks:

Abisha

12-16-2003, 08:39 PM

THose who want to intermarry and mix withe whites, think about this, you may as well kiss your inheritance good bye. You have ticket to caveman land, coming real soon How many times do I have to say that my man is Hawaiian, he is not a White man, but even if he was a green man it would not matter to me because we are in love.

love2474u

12-16-2003, 10:09 PM

Abisha

12-17-2003, 06:53 AM

No prob Abish, "there are a lot of things that can get in between love no matter what color but true love will stand the test" I COULDN'T AGREE ANYMORE! It's hard finding a good man in ANY race, so now that you've found one you should hold him TIGHT. NEVER let anyone make you feel guilty for loving a man that LOVES you. Loves conquers all. I must admit he is not just a nice guy but we don't argue :fight: ,fight we mostly think the same, and accept each others differences and short comings. :luv:

love2474u

12-17-2003, 11:38 AM

That's very sweet, it's good that you both can still come to good terms even when your opinions and ideas are in difference.

flojo

12-20-2003, 03:33 PM

Both of my Parents are of African American descent... they also have Irish, American Indian, and English in their blood. They both have brown skin, brown eyes, and my Mother has straight hair. My oldest sister has brown skin, brown eyes, black curly hair... like our parents. My other sister has white skin, green eyes, and straight hair I have olive skin and green eyes. I was raised to say that I am African American because the 'one drop' rule still applies in the heart of men. I have seen racism. And Blacks are no less cruel
Flojo

watzinaname

12-20-2003, 06:47 PM

vj57

12-27-2003, 01:52 PM

yaphet al-wynn

12-27-2003, 08:13 PM

intersting, not saying that interracial couples are unnatural or anything but can you invest the time in explaining something to him or her when a ni### moment come up like racial profiling, glass ceilings the civil rights movement or affirmative action and wsp-white skin privilege? And can you stand the reply of 'manifest' destiny, individualism, raising yourself by your own bootstrap and the classic-get over it?

vj57

12-29-2003, 10:54 AM

As a Christian, I am told by God to not bear hatred for anyone. And in God's view, there is no race superior over the other. We know that man has dominated man, in our case, whites have dominated us.

My view today is that I have no fear of man and the white people do not dominate me. I cower NOT to them or any man or woman.

And I still say that if a person does not like to see interracial couples, basically there is nothing he or she can do about it. If this is not your "cup of tea", don't drink it.

I'm not for same sex couples, but I don't try to harm those who are involved in that situation. I will never agree with it, but in life, we all have choices.

God warned us to avoid those who are non-believers. Nowhere in the bible does it indicate that we cannot be involved with people of a different skin color. As for me, I would not want to be involved with a Muslim man or any man who was not a born-again Christian, even if the Muslim man was of my race.

flojo

01-01-2004, 10:35 PM

Hi Flojo. We all have some different racial mixtures in us. What I am wondering, is your racial makeup predominately races other than black, and so your family went along with the one drop "rule"? Or did they go along with it because you're mostly black, with some other races mixed in?

Unfortunately, I don't know which is dominant. African American and American Indian I am told. They"went along" with the one drop rule because so many of my ancestors were made to, I guess. And noone wanted to 'ignore' one race, and claim the other because of what the other race would say or think or do. In my case, I would just like to be one or the other, and from where I am standing, neither is better. If I go out with a white man, I'm tryin to be white. If I go out with a black man... his friends, acquaintances, family will just view me as another white girl. Why does it matter which race is predominant? I am a Good person, reguardless.

HeidiJefferson

01-03-2004, 03:06 AM

Hello:

My husband is black. We tell our children they're black, although I am not.

This has been hard on my husband and I, but I have no regrets. I just pray society will accept our children based on the content of their characters and not the relationship between their father and myself.

Thank you

watzinaname

01-03-2004, 08:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by flojo
Unfortunately, I don't know which is dominant. African American and American Indian I am told. They"went along" with the one drop rule because so many of my ancestors were made to, I guess. And noone wanted to 'ignore' one race, and claim the other because of what the other race would say or think or do. In my case, I would just like to be one or the other, and from where I am standing, neither is better. If I go out with a white man, I'm tryin to be white. If I go out with a black man... his friends, acquaintances, family will just view me as another white girl. Why does it matter which race is predominant? I am a Good person, reguardless.

Flojo, you could be any race and be a great person...goes without saying in my book. I just wasn't clear on that point, so I asked, no other way to get the answer that I know of, and I don't like to assume. And also, I know what it is to be black but look like a lot of other things to some people. I don't know what it is to be biracial, or to have pretty much an equal mix of races within me. But, I know what it is to be treated differently and not accepted by some because of appearances.....on this we feel the same. All parts of you are acceptable in the eyes of God, all other eyes take a back seat. Those that matter will accept it all and it take it in stride. Those that don't can take a ride.
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Sekhemu

01-05-2004, 05:32 PM

Someone mentioned that interracial couples were "not natural". Where did they come up with that one?

Unnatural relationships are those of the same sex (homosexuals and lesbians) and God Himself condemns this.

I would marry a man of another color IF he's for me and would be more concerned with our future happiness.

I've dated white men in the past and will continue to do so. I don't focus on the color of a man's skin, but more on his character.

And for those who are anti-IR, the best thing to do is to get over it. Some things you can't change.

I don't advocate that one should avidly pursue someone of another race, but to pursue love and happiness. If my son or daughter brings home a white woman or a white man, I would not be upset, just as long as it's someone of the opposite sex.

Mixing with mutated beings is unnatural. True some whites do have melanin, or what is called the black dot. However. If you see no problem having a family with a modern cave man go right ahead.

I have a bone to pick with blacks who wanna be color blind but can't walk down the street or in Macy's without YT wondering, "if this *****hh is gonna rob us"

Black people who want to integrate have given up on their race, that's my strong humble opinion.

WHat is appalling to me is that the same intergrationist will come on a black board created by a black woman and try to convince us to "cross over" if intergration is so good for us, why has it done nothing but creat a caste society the world over?

Nia Maishani

01-06-2004, 07:05 PM

Black people who want to integrate have given up on their race, that's my strong humble opinion.

if intergration is so good for us, why has it done nothing but create a caste society the world over?

I think if we tried even 1/1,000,000th as hard to embrace those of our own culture as we do to keep our arms, homes, beds, minds etc. open to other cultures, we could have a good chance at escaping our modern day bondage. That of the Psyche.

vj57

01-16-2004, 02:31 PM

Sekhemu, you are erroneously making false accusations here. Nobody is advocating that YOU or anyone here go with someone of another race.

And I stick 100% by what I said! I am tired of the hatred.

And where do you come from, referring to a person as a "mutant"? I find it so ignorant that many black folks like you get into this "melanin junk". When you handle your functions in the bathroom, you stink just like anyone else. When you cut yourself, your blood is red like anyone else.

I'm glad to be a Christian because I don't deal with the hatred towards others. In my life I've had more strife with black people. It's always been jealousy, hatred, etc. As for white people, they hold no power over me. I've never feared them and if I have to get into a confrontation with any of them, I handle it.

You have proven to be the "cave man" here with your mentality. Just accept the fact that you have no power over relationships. You have no power to stop interracial dating or marriage. The only power you have is the choice not to get involved with someone of another race.

But you know what? I see all of this hateful talk as one of the "signs of the end". There is more hatred towards people now more than ever. And you are a part of the hatred. What will it profit you?

When you go to the hospital or doctor for sickness, do you request a black person to wait on you? I bet when you are in pain, you could care less about who handles you.

That's why I never allowed my children to associate with NOI people because of their hatred towards white people. You sound like one of them. I do not collaborate with too many Muslims because of their hatred towards others.

Right now, I am not dating anyone. And I will date or marry a man of any race, as long as he is a Christian. I would never date or marry a non-Christian, that is, a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Mormon, etc.

I don't know if you've read the bible, but God didn't want His people to associate with the people of the land, in other words, those who didn't worship Him. And that's why Christians should obey the command about "not becoming unequally yoked". It is based on WHO you worship. If you are a Muslim, you worship Allah. He is NOT my God; my Father's name is Jehovah and His Son is Jesus Christ.

If this angered you, I do not apologize. And you quoted me as saying that I do not advocate interracial relationships, so why are you hollering like I'm coming in here to advocate it?

My heart grieves for the hatred you and others like you show towards people who haven't done anything to you. Like one white guy said, "Why do I have to be hated for what my ancestors did when I didn't do it?"

What if the parents of the young lady who was brutually raped and murdered by a black man in Philly publicly stated that they hated all black men because of what happened to their daughter?

We cannot change the past. Today I am not a slave. I don't know what it means to be a slave, because as a Christian, we are free. Anyone who continues in sin and error are SLAVES. If you are hooked on cigarettes, alcohol and illegal drugs, you are a SLAVE to those things. If you are hooked on pornography, you are a slave to it. And these things you are enslaved to will eventually destroy you. You are enslaved to hatred.

Get used to it...non-black citizens are here to stay. Like roaches, they will multiply and you can't exterminate them. We see what Hitler tried to do, but he didn't succeed. White people cannot eliminate non-white people either.

In this cold bitter weather we are having, if your heat went off, I bet you could care less if a whie man came to repair it. You would probably hug him when the heat comes back on.

I thank God so much for the love in my heart for humans. And I will pray for people like you who don't KNOW Him...for to KNOW God is to KNOW love, not hatred.

Sekhemu

01-16-2004, 08:29 PM

Vj or whatever your name is, you have called me out of my name, by your calling me a "cave man". I have made a concerted effort to call no member of this board out of their name. I said white people. Not anyone here in particuliar. And for that, you have made this a personal matter.

Secondly I don't give a darn about who you pray to, or the white image of the man called Jesus, that is found in almost every black church in the country. You wanna take me to task about hate? yeah right, even your own christian god hates, in fact it was this same god that told the jews to kill off the people of canaan so they could take over their land. The whole concept of hate is replete in your pseudo-religious text called the bible. Okay? So go tell your fellow white christians that one. You know... the ones that have no blacks in their congregations.

It's Ironic that you could ramble on about me being hateful, while at the same time have the nerve to post a comment, on a black website no less.... that you are tired of hearing about this melanin junk. Maybe somebody hates their own skin? You obviously know little if nothing about all about melanin and it's role in history. Try reading Count Volney or Frances Cress Welsing.

I don't pray to the god of the conquerors of my ancestors, if you want to do so... be my quest. To be honest, if the white race disappeared from this planet I would probably stand up and cheer. I'm sure the majority of them would not be missed

So before you go throwing the H word around, check your own so called religion.

But I ain't mad atcha. PeaceSekhemu, you are erroneously making false accusations here. Nobody is advocating that YOU or anyone here go with someone of another race.

I
And I stick 100% by what I said! I am tired of the hatred.

And where do you come from, referring to a person as a "mutant"? I find it so ignorant that many black folks like you get into this "melanin junk". When you handle your functions in the bathroom, you stink just like anyone else. When you cut yourself, your blood is red like anyone else.

I'm glad to be a Christian because I don't deal with the hatred towards others. In my life I've had more strife with black people. It's always been jealousy, hatred, etc. As for white people, they hold no power over me. I've never feared them and if I have to get into a confrontation with any of them, I handle it.

You have proven to be the "cave man" here with your mentality. Just accept the fact that you have no power over relationships. You have no power to stop interracial dating or marriage. The only power you have is the choice not to get involved with someone of another race.

But you know what? I see all of this hateful talk as one of the "signs of the end". There is more hatred towards people now more than ever. And you are a part of the hatred. What will it profit you?

When you go to the hospital or doctor for sickness, do you request a black person to wait on you? I bet when you are in pain, you could care less about who handles you.

That's why I never allowed my children to associate with NOI people because of their hatred towards white people. You sound like one of them. I do not collaborate with too many Muslims because of their hatred towards others.

Right now, I am not dating anyone. And I will date or marry a man of any race, as long as he is a Christian. I would never date or marry a non-Christian, that is, a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Mormon, etc.

I don't know if you've read the bible, but God didn't want His people to associate with the people of the land, in other words, those who didn't worship Him. And that's why Christians should obey the command about "not becoming unequally yoked". It is based on WHO you worship. If you are a Muslim, you worship Allah. He is NOT my God; my Father's name is Jehovah and His Son is Jesus Christ.

If this angered you, I do not apologize. And you quoted me as saying that I do not advocate interracial relationships, so why are you hollering like I'm coming in here to advocate it?

My heart grieves for the hatred you and others like you show towards people who haven't done anything to you. Like one white guy said, "Why do I have to be hated for what my ancestors did when I didn't do it?"

What if the parents of the young lady who was brutually raped and murdered by a black man in Philly publicly stated that they hated all black men because of what happened to their daughter?

We cannot change the past. Today I am not a slave. I don't know what it means to be a slave, because as a Christian, we are free. Anyone who continues in sin and error are SLAVES. If you are hooked on cigarettes, alcohol and illegal drugs, you are a SLAVE to those things. If you are hooked on pornography, you are a slave to it. And these things you are enslaved to will eventually destroy you. You are enslaved to hatred.

Get used to it...non-black citizens are here to stay. Like roaches, they will multiply and you can't exterminate them. We see what Hitler tried to do, but he didn't succeed. White people cannot eliminate non-white people either.

In this cold bitter weather we are having, if your heat went off, I bet you could care less if a whie man came to repair it. You would probably hug him when the heat comes back on.

If you love all people then that's your little red wagon. I don't I love black people, even the ones that are misguided. And I will never let anyone, especially convince that this caucasian is a mutant. There is documentation to back this up, and not something I was taught by a muslim. If you don't like what I post here, guess what? Too Bad. nothing you can do about it
I thank God so much for the love in my heart for humans. And I will pray for people like you who don't KNOW Him...for to KNOW God is to KNOW love, not hatred.
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ANGELIC SOUL

01-17-2004, 10:36 PM

I think if we tried even 1/1,000,000th as hard to embrace those of our own culture as we do to keep our arms, homes, beds, minds etc. open to other cultures, we could have a good chance at escaping our modern day bondage. That of the Psyche.

Hello, I am new to this thread and it looks as though it is a powerful one! I just wanted to add my opinon. The thread said "interracial dating"... doesn't that mean anyone of any race? I didn't have the time to look at all of the responses, there are so many, but I don't feel there is anything wrong with finding love within another culture. Slavery has in my opinion warped so many things within us as african americans. Racisim has cause us to be suspicious and cold. I am judging, nor stating that this applies to everyone. I feel that love and friendship can come in many different colors and so can love. It is a shame that two people who genuinely find love in another race is called a traiter, or a hater of there own. Or thier children have to be teased or looked down upon. This country has truely blinded individuals due to ignorance of a few that started this mess, back in slavery and for we know it, before that when the Europeans were conquering other countries. Doesn't awareness start with knowledge, and awarness cause one to change their way of thinking? I know it is not an easy task, but it would be nice if we could just love.. lol. I know ya'll gonna blaze me for this one. Its just how I feel. Maybe it won't ever happen? Hopefully the world will change enough so that it will?

Just my feelings
Lady Bastet

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