It is becoming increasingly more important for people to know what foods they should not eat, because too many are eating the wrong foods, and don’t even know it! Then they wonder how they contract diseases like high blood pressure, gout, gallstones, kidney stones, arteriosclerosis (hardening of the blood arteries caused by excessive animal fat in the bloodstream – a major cause of heart attacks), strokes, serious skin problems (due to the consumption of too many acid foods), obesity, etc.

Recent medical studies have shown that men who consume large amounts of beef have a tendency to contract colon cancer, and women who did the same contracted vaginal cancer and cancer of the colon as well. Man is on a path of self-destruction as long as he continues to disobey God’s laws of right eating. (See Leviticus 3:17; 7:26 and 11:7-8.)

Those who have given this subject consideration will not deny the fact that man is a vegetarian by nature. It is obvious that his teeth are designed to masticate vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains, whereas the teeth of carnivorous animals – which are tusk-like – are best adapted for flesh-tearing, and are also grown apart, so as to prevent the lodgment of particles of decayed flesh in the animal’s mouth...

Man’s intestinal tract is also more complicated, and nearly three times as long as the intestinal tract of animals that live on flesh. Besides the shortness of the intestinal tract of carnivorous animals when compared with that of man, it is also very smooth, while the intestines of man have numerous folds and pouches...

What we see here is that the intestines of beasts of prey are constructed so that their diet of flesh – which quickly decays – may be eliminated in the shortest possible time. The liver of these animals is also of enormous size, and is very active, thus fully capable of neutralizing and eliminating twelve to fifteen times as much acid as the human liver...

It is now common knowledge that a balanced diet is absolutely necessary to our health and well being. Therefore, in balancing our meals we should always be certain to give preference to the alkaline foods (fresh vegetables, fruits, nuts and most grains), while the acid-producing foods should be used sparingly (i.e., no more than two or three times a week)...

Acid foods are divided into two categories: organic acid (eggs, cheese, nuts and cereals) and inorganic acid (animal flesh, various animal by-products, all manufactured substances such as white sugar, white flour and all white-flour products). It is advisable to eliminate the inorganic substances altogether from your diet...

Alkaline foods consist of but one type, namely the organic variety. These foods are readily absorbed into the system, thus permitting the remineralization of the body. This being true, these products – i.e., fresh vegetables, fruits, nuts and most grains – should constitute 90% of the diet at all times, while the acid-producing foods should form the remaining 10%. Following this procedure, one may automatically maintain optimum health, and enjoy complete freedom from even what may be considered incurable diseases...

I guess I've always known that fresh veggies, fruits and nuts/grains are healthiest for us but find it difficult to get on and stay on this road of nutritional balance. For one, I don't make very much money which makes it hard to purchase 'natural' foods. They are so much more expensive than the other foods. It's easier to go to McDonald's and get a burger or chicken sandwich for 99 cents and the corner store for a 50 cent Faygo soda. But in the long run it only hurts (me). I love vegetables, fruits, grains, nuts etc. Even though I love fish and chicken (no pork and limited beef) I can see myself living as a vegatarian. Looking at my vegetarian friends and co-dancers, it keeps them healthy in mind, body and spirit. They even have gorgeous skin. I have skin problems on my chin where I used to shave one or two hairs which created bumbs to blackheads and nothing works to clear it up. And my weight, I've been trying to lose weight since last year. I get my workout on through dance (everyday for the past two weeks) and have yet to lose anything. Especially around my waistline. (some say I'm not fat just solid which is true but there's still fat that NEEDS to be lost in my arms/back and waist.)

I used to eat just one meal a day but then, my metabolism would slow down and I'd get headaches. When I ate, it was too much of the wrong foods (burgers, buffalo wings, pizza).

The transition is very difficult from junk to health foods. I guess the main issue for me is cost. I eat healthy when I can afford to. I can cook Tofu in curry sauce, garden/veggie burgers, salads, organic yogurt, soybeans, soy/rice milk, organic cereals...you name it!! I get it from my father who's a health nut. Anyway, I think with me not being chosen for this dance company has motivated me to do what I gotta do no matter what the cost to get in shape and eat healthier so that I look/feel and perform better!!

Thank you much!
Aminata

You're quite welcome, Aminata. You're almost there, just stay on point...and keep reading!

good info...........keep feeding knowledge around
Thanks for sharing what we all need to know to
stay health for a better life

" Following this procedure, one may automatically maintain optimum health, and enjoy complete freedom from even what may be considered incurable diseases..."

This is simply not true. The 90/10 rule is a good one and all of this information is correct with the exception of man being a vegetarian by nature and that we will AUTOMATICALLY enjoy complete freedom from incurable diseases.

THERE ARE VEGETARINS WHOM CONTRACT CANCER, HEART DISEASE, HIGH BLOOD PRESURE, AND THE REST OF THE INCURABLE DISEASES OUT THERE!

I don't disagree that 90% alkaline and 10% acid food will HELP us achieve optimum health....but by no means does that ratio alone provide us with good health. We have to become informed about whats good for us and whats not. Things that are TERRIBLE for us include milk, chlorinated water, soft drinks, sweetners (honey, molases, syrup etc.), and salt. In fact...milk and cholorinated water cause more cancer than anything on the planet accpet cigarettes. Obesity is caused by inactivity of the metabolism...PERIOD. We simply need to get more excercise and quit being lazy. Excercise increases the metablosim. Have any of us ever seen and obese ACTIVE athlete?? i think not.

So..yes we should control our meat intake and increase our alkaline intake but we also need to focus on other foods and substances and get enough excerise.

" Following this procedure, one may automatically maintain optimum health, and enjoy complete freedom from even what may be considered incurable diseases..."

This is simply not true. The 90/10 rule is a good one and all of this information is correct with the exception of man being a vegetarian by nature and that we will AUTOMATICALLY enjoy complete freedom from incurable diseases.This is simply not true. Those who have given this subject consideration will not deny the fact that man is a vegetarian by nature. It is obvious that his teeth are designed to masticate vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains, whereas the teeth of carnivorous animals – which are tusk-like – are best adapted for flesh-tearing, and are also grown apart, so as to prevent the lodgment of particles of decayed flesh in the animal’s mouth...

THERE ARE VEGETARIANS WHO CONTRACT CANCER, HEART DISEASE, HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, AND THE REST OF THE INCURABLE DISEASES OUT THERE!You have proffered a personal opinion that is a lie...

I don't disagree that 90% alkaline and 10% acid food will HELP us achieve optimum health....but by no means does that ratio alone provide us with good health. We have to become informed about what's good for us and what's not. Things that are TERRIBLE for us include milk, chlorinated water, soft drinks, sweeteners (honey, molasses, syrup, etc.) and salt. In fact, milk and cholorinated water cause more cancer than anything on the planet except cigarettes. Obesity is caused by inactivity of the metabolism...PERIOD. We simply need to get more excercise and quit being lazy. Excercise increases the metablosim. Have any of us ever seen and obese ACTIVE athlete? I think not.I agree with much of what you say here...except for the fact that honey is a natural sweetener, and is good for you, thus it can bring the body no harm...

So...yes we should control our meat intake and increase our alkaline intake but we also need to focus on other foods and substances and get enough excerise. Since man is a vegetarian by nature, and the fact that animal flesh is dead food, and the fact that God forbids the eating of blood in the Bible, it would behoove us not to "control our meat intake," A007, but to eliminate animal flesh from our diets altogether...

I doubt we will ever agree on the subject of man being vegetarian by nature. We do what's in our nature. Babies learn to walk becasue it is in their nature. The are selfish (mine--me) because it is in their nature. If given the oppourtunity they would eat meat (as soon as it was possible) because it is in their nature. I have two sons...and unfortunately I was not there for the first 2 years of my youngest sons life...but he was fed the vegetarian lifestyle by his grandmother and ultimately he wanted meat whenever it was in his presence. Not because it was forced upon him...but because that is what he liked. It was natural to him.

"You have proffered a personal opinion that is a lie... "

You astonish me with this statement. You honestly believe that vegetarians don't contract these illnesses? WOW
!!!!!!! I have PLENTY of personal stories to the contrary but I am sure you will dismiss them as lies...so I will endeavor to find examples that you will believe and then post their names and illnesses so you can see that I am not lying.

"I agree with much of what you say here...except for the fact that honey is a natural sweetener, and is good for you, thus it can bring the body no harm... "

This is not true...have you heard of botulism? an illness that can kill infants that comes from feeding infants HONEY.
And regardless of it being natural...it can send diabetics into shock...too much of it can cause the body to not regulate insulin correctly.

Thanks your help in the area of typos and misspellings is always welcome.

peace

I Am a Vegetarian, and So Is My Dog
By Barrington H. Brennen, June 26, 2002

DISEASE AND THE VEGETARIAN
Vegetarians are not immune to diseases or illnesses. We do get sick. Vegetarians also get cancer and other life-threatening illness, but the risk is greatly reduced.

I doubt we will ever agree on the subject of man being vegetarian by nature. We do what's in our nature. Babies learn to walk because it is in their nature. They are selfish (mine-me) because it is in their nature. If given the opportunity they would eat meat (as soon as it was possible) because it is in their nature.That is another lie, A007...

I have two sons...and unfortunately I was not there for the first 2 years of my youngest sons life...but he was fed the vegetarian lifestyle by his grandmother and ultimately he wanted meat whenever it was in his presence. Not because it was forced upon him...but because that is what he liked. It was natural to him.That is another lie, A007...

"You have proffered a personal opinion that is a lie..."

You astonish me with this statement. You honestly believe that vegetarians don't contract these illnesses? WOW! I have PLENTY of personal stories to the, but I am sure you will dismiss them as lies...so I will endeavor to find examples that you will believe and then post their names and illnesses so you can see that I am not lying.I'd appreciate that...

"I agree with much of what you say here...except for the fact that honey is a natural sweetener, and is good for you, thus it can bring the body no harm..."

This is not true...have you heard of botulism? An illness that can kill infants that comes from feeding infants HONEY. And regardless of its being natural...it can send diabetics into shock...too much of it can cause the body to not regulate insulin correctly.Looks as if YOU never heard of botulism, A007, or just misinformed re: its meaning. Let me explain:

Botulism is an extremely virulent, dangerous food poisoning caused by botulin, which is any of several toxins produced by botulinum, a bacteria that secretes botulin and found in improperly canned or improperly smoked food.

Now how is honey, a natural food, related to botulism? For you to imply such is ridiculous...And how do people become diabetic in the first place...pray tell!

I Am a Vegetarian, and So Is My Dog
By Barrington H. Brennen, June 26, 2002

DISEASE AND THE VEGETARIAN

Vegetarians are not immune to diseases or illnesses. We do get sick. Vegetarians also get cancer and other life-threatening illness, but the risk is greatly reduced. What is this hogwash? Can't you provide a link?

quote:Originally posted by A007
I doubt we will ever agree on the subject of man being vegetarian by nature. We do what's in our nature. Babies learn to walk because it is in their nature. They are selfish (mine-me) because it is in their nature. If given the opportunity they would eat meat (as soon as it was possible) because it is in their nature.That is another lie, A007...
quote:Originally posted by A007
I have two sons...and unfortunately I was not there for the first 2 years of my youngest sons life...but he was fed the vegetarian lifestyle by his grandmother and ultimately he wanted meat whenever it was in his presence. Not because it was forced upon him...but because that is what he liked. It was natural to him. That is another lie, A007...

That seems to be your response everytime you are wrong...:lol:

What would be you explaination for my son wanting meat? Since you are ALL KNOWING.

"Looks as if YOU never heard of botulism, A007, or just misinformed re: its meaning. Let me explain: "

Botulinum spores are found widely in soil, dust, and honey. Adults who swallow botulinum spores are almost never affected. When infants swallow the spores, however, the spores can germinate in their immature gastrointestinal tracts and begin producing botulinum toxin. This has occurred even when the honey was only used to sweeten a pacifier (European Journal of Epidemiology, Nov 1993).

Botulinum toxin is the most poisonous natural substance known to man. The lethal dose is only 1/10,000,000 mg per kg of body weight -- an amount that would be invisible to the naked eye. This tiny amount in the blood stream can cause death within minutes through paralysis of the muscles used in breathing.

Infant botulism has been found on every continent except Africa. In the United States it is most common in the states of California, Utah, and Pennsylvania. While infant botulism can occur from taking in soil or dust (especially vacuum cleaner-bag dust), eating honey is the number one preventable cause. Corn syrups are not sterilized and may also be a source of contamination (The AAP Red Book, 2000).

Wake up bro.

Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

[Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and currently Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist.]

I suppose this Doctor who is a vegetarian has a reason to lie too?

I doubt we will ever agree on the subject of man being vegetarian by nature. We do what's in our nature. Babies learn to walk because it is in their nature. They are selfish (mine-me) because it is in their nature. If given the opportunity they would eat meat (as soon as it was possible) because it is in their nature.That is another lie, A007...

I have two sons...and unfortunately I was not there for the first 2 years of my youngest sons life...but he was fed the vegetarian lifestyle by his grandmother and ultimately he wanted meat whenever it was in his presence. Not because it was forced upon him...but because that is what he liked. It was natural to him. That is another lie, A007...

That seems to be your response everytime you are wrong...:lol: What would be your explanation for my son wanting meat? Since you are ALL KNOWING.First of all, ONLY GOD IS ALL-KNOWING. Secondly...and truth is, your baby son wanted meat because he saw his parents eating it, and his parents fed it to him. No baby or child develops a taste for animal flesh on its own, A007...shame on you!

Infant botulism has been found on every continent except Africa. In the United States it is most common in the states of California, Utah, and Pennsylvania. While infant botulism can occur from taking in soil or dust (especially vacuum cleaner-bag dust), eating honey is the number one preventable cause. Corn syrups are not sterilized and may also be a source of contamination (The AAP Red Book, 2000).I couldn't find the above quote...but this is what I DID find:

"Infant botulism (median annual cases, 71) results after ingested spores of C botulinum or related species germinate, multiply, and produce botulinum toxin in the intestine, probably through a mechanism of transient permissiveness of the intestinal microflora. In most cases of infant botulism, the source of spores is not identified (and may be airborne from soil or dust), but honey that has not been certified to be free of C botulinum spores is an identified and avoidable source. Light and dark corn syrups are not sterilized when packaged, so they also may be contaminated by C botulinum spores."

(The AAP Red Book, 2000)

This paragraph reads a lot different from yours, A007...and you conveniently left out the bolded part of the statement...:eek: A bit of deceitful journalism on your part, buddy...

:nono:

"Botulinum spores are found widely in soil, dust, and honey. Adults who swallow botulinum spores are almost never affected. When infants swallow the spores, however, the spores can germinate in their immature gastrointestinal tracts and begin producing botulinum toxin. This has occurred even when the honey was only used to sweeten a pacifier (European Journal of Epidemiology, Nov. 1993).I will quote the above and what you conveniently left out:

"Careful scientific study has recognized great medicinal value in honey. Honey has significant, known antibiotic properties (Journal of Pharmacology, Nov. 1996). Honey is also a traditional remedy for upset stomach. It has now been proven to prevent the growth of Helicobacter pylori in the stomach - the organism responsible for many ulcers and much abdominal discomfort (J R Soc Med, Jan. 1994). Honey also reduces the gastritis caused by drinking too much alcohol (Scandinavian Journal of Gastoenterology, March 1991).

Honey has been proven to decrease the cancer-producing effects of many carcinogens, and to be effective in eradicating yeast (Cytologic Genetics, Nov-Dec 1996). Topical honey is known to be useful in treating gangrene, preventing both death and amputation (Surgery, Feb. 1993). Burns heal faster when treated with honey than when treated with OpSite burn dressings (British Journal of Plastic Surgery, June 1993). There is also less pain, less scarring, and fewer contractures when burns are treated with honey rather than with Silvadene dressings (British Journal of Surgery, April 1991). In Russia, honey was even proven to effectively preserve vision when cataracts begin to form in the elderly (Vestn Oftalmol, Nov-Dec 1990). Honey is an amazing substance - but...

As it turns out, NOT giving your daughter honey while she is an infant is an important preventive health measure. It may save her life. The concern is with infant botulism.

Botulinum spores are found widely in soil, dust, and honey. Adults who swallow botulinum spores are almost never affected. When infants swallow the spores, however, the spores can germinate in their immature gastrointestinal tracts and begin producing botulinum toxin. This has occurred even when the honey was only used to sweeten a pacifier (European Journal of Epidemiology, Nov 1993)."

Remember, the parents were treating their daughter with honey to decrease her allergies...

Nice try...:)

I agree with much of what you say here...except for the fact that honey is a natural sweetener, and is good for you, thus it can bring the body no harm...

Your statement included can BRING THE BODY NO HARM.

When you say nice try if you mean that I have proved my point ...then thank you.

Because that is exactly what happened...me showing that honey CAN so us (especially our infants) harm.

When you cut and paste you don't have to worry about misspellings and typos...:)

"First of all, ONLY GOD IS ALL-KNOWING. Secondly...and truth is, your baby son wanted meat because he saw his parents eating it, and his parents fed it to him. No baby or child develops a taste for animal flesh on its own, A007...shame on you!"

I agree that only God is all-knowing so why is it that you present all of this information as if it were irrefutable and get defensive and insulting when someone has opposing information? It seems as if you DO believe you know it all and take offense to someone challenging your veiws.

And..you are wrong yet again. Not only that, you have no way of knowing that. By saying that it would imply that the only reason chilidren eat meat is because it is FORCED upon them. I DEFY you to find a child that would rather eat brocolli instead of a hamburger.

On the contrary they have to be FORCED to eat vegetables as I am sure you will do to your children rather than letting them make their own choice..because given a choice MOST children will eat meat instead of vegetables every day...Do you propose that this is IN SPITE OF THEIR NATURE?
If you take A REAL vegetarian born animal they would come close to starvation before they eat meat and they would never CHOOSE meat over vegetation unless they had be conditioned (years of captivity) that the vegetation is bad.

What you have proven is that honey can harm some (not all) babies under 12 months of age, and that it cannot harm an adult. I thank you for that...:)


Peace.

When you cut and paste you don't have to worry about misspellings and typos...

You should know since 90% of your posts are cut and pasted...:lol:

And when you don't have anything to cut and past or have an answer in one of you previously cut and pasted posts..you resort to insults. But I understand. You just want to be agreed with...not challenged.

pnly people who have something to prove or protect dislike good questions.

were there enough typos in my last post for you to focus on?

When you cut and paste you don't have to worry about misspellings and typos...You should know since 90% of your posts are cut and pasted..." :lol:I know that's a big laugh to you but in reality you've proffered another falsehood...and it's becoming a habit with you.And when you don't have anything to cut and paste or have an answer in one of your previously cut and pasted posts, you resort to insults. But I understand. You just want to be agreed with...not challenged.Another lie, A007...I don't insult...unless you say something that is insulting...and agree with me when I'm right...because I try awfully hard not to be wrong. As the saying goes, "Confidence comes not from always being right, but from not fearing to be wrong." I've agreed with you the few times you've been right. :)

And btw, I love intelligent challenges...

Only people who have something to prove or protect dislike good questions."I love good questions...and I always respond to them...

Were there enough typos in my last post for you to focus on?Only a couple...you're getting better...:)

I defy you to name ONE lie i have posted.

Lie: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive.

The only LIE either of us has told is you saying that you do not insult. Shall I cut and paste all of the times you have called me and others stupid and other names simply because they disagreed with you?

Sure you may. I'd like to see them...and while you're at it, make sure you post your own insults...then let's balance them...

Originally posted by A007
I Am a Vegetarian, and So Is My Dog

By Barrington H. Brennen, June 26, 2002

DISEASE AND THE VEGETARIAN

Vegetarians are not immune to diseases or illnesses. We do get sick. Vegetarians also get cancer and other life-threatening illness, but the risk is greatly reduced. We can start here, A007, for this is another blatant example of deceitful journalism on your part. Here is the article in its entirety:

I Am a Vegetarian, and So Is My Dog

By Barrington H. Brennen

Do you believe it? My dog is a vegetarian! Mr. Sargeant Brennen, the long-haired, good-looking, loving and loveable canine member of the Brennen family, does love to eat lettuce, tomatoes, broccoli, avocado pear, coconut, peas and rice, corn on the cob, soya milk, watermelon, and much more. It is true just that eating these things would not make my dog a vegetarian. Although I don’t feed him any meat, he sometimes gets some when he visits his friend across the street – a handsome black Bahamian potcake. They tell us the dogs do need vegetables to live a healthy life. So give your dog some vegetables today.

If my dog can eat so much vegetables and enjoy it, what about me! I am not sure you will believe that I have never tasted any form of meat. This is why I am called a vegetarian. A vegetarian does not eat fish, red or white meats. Some people do not think that fish is not meat so they figure a vegetarian can eat fish. This is not so. Any creature, whether on land or sea that has flesh and blood is meat. However, some people only use fish for meat. This is okay. Some vegetarians eat animal products, such as eggs, milk, and cheese. We call them ovo-lacto vegetarians. I am a complete vegetarian, or a vegan. A vegan does not eat meat or any animal product.

I was raised a vegetarian and have never been tempted to taste any form of meat. My parents are vegetarians, and so are my wife and young adult children. I feel good and have lots of energy. I have no headaches, back or stomach aches. I sleep well at nights and recover quickly from illnesses or accidental cuts to my skin. It is important to note the just avoiding meat is not the only thing that constitutes a healthy diet. Some vegetarians have very bad diets. They eat lots of sweets, refine foods, and consume an abundance of fat. On the other hand a healthy vegetarian diet includes an abundance of whole grains, vegetables, nuts, legumes, and fruits.

There are tremendous benefits to be derived from a healthy vegetarian diet. Research tells us that vegetarians recover quicker after surgery because of a higher blood composition that promotes healing. Vegetarians have lower death rates from cancer, specifically colon and lung cancer. Vegetarian women have lower blood levels of estrogen, which may help to protect them from breast cancer. The risk of heart disease is linked to diets high in saturated fat, which is found mostly in animal foods and processed foods. Heart disease is much less common among vegetarian men, with vegans having the lowest risk of all.

Vegetarian men are at less risk of prostate cancer. This second leading cause of cancer death among men is not just an inevitable outcome of getting old; it is the result of a lifetime diet of animal fats. The fats stimulate the production of male hormones, which in turn spur prostate cancer cells to grow.

We also know that athletes do extremely better on a vegetarian diet. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a noted vegetarian, is proud of his lifestyle and diet. He certainly has lots of power. Many of the world’s top athlete cease consuming meat during training and performance because they discovered that they get better results. A research done at Loma Linda University shows that vegetarian athletes have a much shorter recovering time after a race than non-vegetarians. My athletic son, Gerard, who runs the 100 meters, has proven this. He noticed that it only takes in a few minutes to recover while the other participants need sometimes ten or fifteen minutes more.

Vegetarians are not immune to diseases or illnesses. We do get sick. Vegetarians also get cancer and other life-threatening illnesses, but the risk is greatly reduced. A vegetarian does get the common cold, flue, headache, etc, but not as frequently as a meat eater. In fact, there are some diseases that a vegetarian will not get. For example trichinosis, a terrible disease that comes from pork. Salmonella, E. coli is a serious deadly bacteria that is only found in meat. In countries were there is a high consumption of pork, conch, and red meat, there are high incidents of heart problems, diabetes, and cancers. Pork and conch have deadly levels of cholesterol. Pork is extremely high on fat which is dangerous to the heart and arteries.

I am sure you are wondering what do I eat to stay good-looking, healthy, and sexy? Let me first share with you some facts about fruits, vegetables and grain. Broccoli is one of the most nutritious vegetables. It has more protein, iron, vitamins, and minerals than cow's milk. We certainly do not need cow milk to live. Humans are the only animals to go to another animal for milk.

Soybean is known as a complete food. It is one of the richest sources of protein. In one hundred pounds of beef, there is only eighteen pounds of protein. In one hundred pounds of soybean, there are 40 pounds of protein. What a difference! It is also called a medicinal food because of its many properties that protect us from illnesses or prevent an onset of other medical problems. For instance, women who use soy have fewer problems with menopause and estrogen levels in their bodies. Bahamian pigeon peas is a rich source of protein. Avocado pear, much loved by Bahamians and Caribbean folks, is also a very high source of protein.

What then do I eat. I eat an abundance of vegetables, raw and cooked. Rice (whole grain, sometimes white), grits, potatoes, yams, peas, beans, whole grain cereals. I use soy for milk. It’s delicious. I love making soups, especially broccoli/asparagus soup. My soups are so rich my son calls then nuclear bombs. They often include whole wheat dumplings, hand full of raw cashews, table spoon of wheat germ, combined with peas, vegetables, broccoli, asparagus. When you eat my soups you really have power.

I hope this article stimulates someone to think differently about the vegetarian lifestyle. Try it, you will like it. Go the book stores and see an abundance of vegetarian cook books that will make your life easy. Please remember, never stop eating meat before to intelligently evaluate your current diet. If you lack an abundance of vegetables of grains then add them before you change your diet. Eliminate the red meats first and take time to change. Have fun. Welcome to the vegetarian club.

(Write P.O. Box N-896, Nassau, Bahamas or call (242) 393-2818. See this article or more on www.soencouragement.org)

Next time cut and paste the entire article, A007, and not just remove a heading and a few words in your devious attempt to justify your illogical position...

What are you talking about??!!.....why post the entire article when ALL of it helps my point. The is no deceit intended or implied. I did not take anything out of context to use it for my own purposes as you do Biblical verses. The excerpt is in tact AND given exactly as it was meant....that vegetarians DO get incurable illnesses. I dare and defy you to find ONE article that says vegetarians DO NOT EVER contract diseases.

A007:By obeying God's laws of right living.
That is stupid.
A007:Obeying God's laws frees you from sin...
And that is more stupid. I called your statements stupid because you had called me stupid previously

Ail: And I am thoroughly convinced now that you're stupid... This was your response ....calling ME stupid not my comments....and there are at least 2 other occasions where you have called me a name and I have read 1 other time that you called someone else stupid. Do i REALLY have to find all of thess....You and I both know the truth about this matter. Don't play ignorant.

Here's what you posted, A007...

I Am a Vegetarian, and So Is My Dog

By Barrington H. Brennen, June 26, 2002

DISEASE AND THE VEGETARIAN

Vegetarians are not immune to diseases or illnesses. We do get sick. Vegetarians also get cancer and other life-threatening illness, but the risk is greatly reduced.Next time cut and paste the entire article, A007, and not just remove a heading and a few words in your devious attempt to justify your illogical position...

What are you talking about? Why post the entire article when ALL of it helps my point.Another lie, A007...All of it doesn't help your point...in fact, the whole article refutes your point...

And here is the actual dialogue that you so feebly referred to:

A007:

"I am saying there is NO perfect religion."

I am saying there is...

"Well then you are ignorant." (first time word was used)

"How can deeds and right living deliver us from sin?"

By obeying God's laws of right living...

"That is stupid."

Obeying God's laws frees you from sin...

"And that is more stupid."

And I am thoroughly convinced now that you're stupid...

"This was your response...calling ME stupid, not my comments..."

Ok, your comments are stupid. Like I said, intelligent people don't say stupid things...stupid people do...and I'm beginning to think that not only are you stupid, but you're full of that stuff that begins with sh...

Another victory for me!! yeah...
:lol: thank you :lol: But i'm sure the others who read our interaction with each other will see who is insulting whom, who is more mature than whom, and who is more full of himself than whom.

What do you have to lose by admitting that your veiws MIGHT not be perfect?? I know that mine are not.

BTW was that supposed to hurt my feelings? :lol:
I will pray for you my brother
as always
peace and love.

I think it's time that we end this debate that has turned into a quarrel and I hope you both agree. Please shake hands and go to your respective corners. I have much respect for you both! :heart:

Back to the topic of my thread:

DIET AND NUTRITION

It is becoming increasingly more important for people to know what foods they should not eat, because too many are eating the wrong foods, and don’t even know it! Then they wonder how they contract diseases like high blood pressure, gout, gallstones, kidney stones, arteriosclerosis (hardening of the blood arteries caused by excessive animal fat in the bloodstream – a major cause of heart attacks), strokes, serious skin problems (due to the consumption of too many acid foods), obesity, etc.

Recent medical studies have shown that men who consume large amounts of beef have a tendency to contract colon cancer, and women who did the same contracted vaginal cancer and cancer of the colon as well. Man is on a path of self-destruction as long as he continues to disobey God’s laws of right eating. (See Leviticus 3:17; 7:26 and 11:7-8.)

Those who have given this subject consideration will not deny the fact that man is a vegetarian by nature. It is obvious that his teeth are designed to masticate vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains, whereas the teeth of carnivorous animals – which are tusk-like – are best adapted for flesh-tearing, and are also grown apart, so as to prevent the lodgment of particles of decayed flesh in the animal’s mouth...

Man’s intestinal tract is also more complicated, and nearly three times as long as the intestinal tract of animals that live on flesh. Besides the shortness of the intestinal tract of carnivorous animals when compared with that of man, it is also very smooth, while the intestines of man have numerous folds and pouches...

What we see here is that the intestines of beasts of prey are constructed so that their diet of flesh – which quickly decays – may be eliminated in the shortest possible time. The liver of these animals is also of enormous size, and is very active, thus fully capable of neutralizing and eliminating twelve to fifteen times as much acid as the human liver...

It is now common knowledge that a balanced diet is absolutely necessary to our health and well being. Therefore, in balancing our meals we should always be certain to give preference to the alkaline foods (fresh vegetables, fruits and most grains), while the acid-producing foods should be used sparingly (i.e., no more than two or three times a week)...

Acid foods are divided into two categories: organic acid (eggs, cheese, nuts and cereals) and inorganic acid (animal flesh, various animal by-products, all manufactured substances such as white sugar, white flour and all white-flour products). It is advisable to eliminate the inorganic substances altogether from your diet...

Alkaline foods consist of but one type, namely the organic variety. These foods are readily absorbed into the system, thus permitting the remineralization of the body. This being true, these products – i.e., fresh vegetables, fruits and most grains – should constitute 90% of the diet at all times, while the acid-producing foods should form the remaining 10%. Following this procedure, one may automatically maintain optimum health, and enjoy complete freedom from even what may be considered incurable diseases...

Queen--

I agree with you 100% but I can not shake hands with someone who insults ANYONE who does not agree with his veiws/posts. The hand shake would be fake. I would like to debate like adults without the promise of insults. I am willing to stick to the topics at hand and will not dignify any antagonizing remarks with responses. I hope that helps. BTW I have much respect for you also Queen. You are truly a Queen in my book.

Queen I do have one sincere question that I hope you are willing to answer.

What should I do when I honestly feel like someone has provided incorrect or incomplete information?

Please be advised that the topic of my thread is, "Diet and Nutrition."

Dre', you know the answer to that already from what I can tell from your earlier comments. But what I would suggest that might be helpful is to debate points made about the topic and try to avoid getting off track to go back and forth about someone's opinion about you personally. I know that's difficult when you get to the finer details of a debate, but it can be done.

Diet and Nutrition is the topic...the debate has been about...

To eat meat or not to eat meat...pro's and cons for health and religious reasons
Are humans inherently vegetarians or are we an adaptable species to our environment capable of consuming meat?
Honey as a natural sweetener and its nutritional value....harmful or not?

Is this an accurate depiction of the discussion on this topic so far?

Aqil, let me ask this . . .

Do you think that . . . "fresh vegetables, fruits and most grains" . . .that we purchase in grocery stores are as "fresh" and nutritious as food markets would like consumers to believe? Particularly if herbicides and pesticides are used to grow them. I also wonder about the quality of soil and water used today to grow our foods.

I have noticed that some grocers now offer "organically grown" (at least that's what they are labeled as) fruits and vegetables but the prices are always much higher than others. So I think that eating healthy is an economic issue as well as a health or religious issue.

If anyone knows anything about plants and how to grow them, you know that the longer the fruit has been picked from the vine, their nutrient value decreases considerably. The same for vegetables which is why fruits and vegetables just recently harvested tastes so much different (no comparison in taste) than those picked hours, and days earlier. I'm not sure if the same is true for nuts and grains. But how many of us go to the market every day to buy food for our daily meals? We tend to purchase in bulk to save ourselves time. So you have to also consider the time the food sits in the refrigerator or on your shelf until you decide to prepare it for a meal. So essentially mostly what we're getting when you eat the store bought stuff is fiber and not getting much vitamin or mineral nutrients.

From what I have seen, most Blacks that eat salads use primarily iceberg lettuce for the greens and think they are eating healthy. Iceberg lettuce is the worst variety of leaf vegetable to consume because it has very little nutritional value, is difficult to digest and is mostly made up of water. The darker green leafed veggies are the most nutritional, but they also tend to be more expensive to purchase. Check out the difference in prices between spinach or bibb lettuce and the iceberg variety. Iceberg tends to be cheaper especially at the height of the growing season (warmer climates).

I used to garden and would grow my vegetables and fruit. I learned how to can and freeze so that I could have a steady supply year round. It saved me a lot of money during the course of a year. I no longer have the yard space and I miss gardening. It was not only more nutritious and more tasty...gardening was also very therapeutic.

Thank you for your enlightening discourse, Queen. I try to get to the co-op as often as I can...foods that are grown organically are free from herbicides and pesticides, which invariably means these kinds of foods are certainly better for you...especially for those who may be allergic to pesticides. And of course healthy eating is an economic issue...hey, unhealthy eating is an economic issue... :D

I don't eat iceberg lettuce at all...I love romaine lettuce...eat it all the time. I've read that romaine is more nutritious that iceberg...

Certainly hope you can get back to gardening one day...it is indeed a blessing...

MMmm, yes, I like romaine too. I learned some new things when I went to the following website. Hopefully the information will be helpful to others as well:

http://www.uwex.edu/ces/wihort/fruitveggies/GrowSalad.htm

Thanks Queen. Here is another informative post:

"The average American consumes a great deal more protein than is essential, which is directly attributable to meat consumption. Excess protein promotes tumors, and additionally, toxins are stored around vital organs, wherever excess fat is stored. Toxins promote diseases. Cow's milk is known to cause effeminization of males. Eggs nowadays are not real eggs (produced by mating the chicken and hen), nor is most meat; everything is fast becoming genetically modified. White sugar is no less a drug than cocaine or heroin, just a different and milder effect. Cigarettes are addictive, not because of the nicotine, but because they contain opium. Unbelievable, right? Well, don't believe it; just keep believing those who capitalize off your ignorance. How does the Biblical adage go? 'Our people suffer for lack of knowledge.'"

(Nia Maishani)

Aqil...I have long heard that Americans consume much too much protein in their daily diet than what is essential. Imagine this...roughly 3-4 ozs...about a size smaller than the palm of the average hand...of meat is recommended for a 3-meal a day plan. When you go to a restaurant and order a steak...they usually give you around 8ozs. and that's just one meal. I've seen some restaurants advertise a 16 oz steak on their menus. These all-you-can-eat food buffets are also death traps in my opinion.

Now this other information you shared about cow's milk, I've never heard before. What does "effeminization" mean? Now I have heard that Blacks are unable to properly digest cow's milk and therefore should stay away from it. But if that effeminization is what I think it is. . . whoa!

Speaking of opium...to change the focus a minute...has anyone been watching the 6-part mini-series on HBO titled, "The Corner", directed by Charles Dutton? It's a depiction of a real corner in a Philadelphia neighborhood I believe where drugs run rampant in a predominately Black community. The storyline is from a true story about a Black woman and what she went through as a drug addict and how it destroyed her family and her life. The corner is where all the addicts hang out, where people outside the community come to buy drugs, how the police know what's going on but only patrol the area when they feel like it. Where people get arrested and released like a revolving door. The affects on the old, the young and all the in-between. Black on Black hate and crimes are the norm. Games played in relationships between men and women are the rule. It shows how there's actually a "drug culture" that most people aren't aware of. The sad part is that these people HATE their addiction, but most don't have the courage or belief that they will ever be able to quit. They're like crabs in a barrell, which is actually how one of them described it. When one tries to get out, the others always pull them back in. Their whole world revolves around "the corner". One of the important messages they want to convey to the public is that every city across America has a corner just like it.

originally posted by NNQueen:
Now this other information you shared about cow's milk, I've never heard before. What does "effeminization" mean? Now I have heard that Blacks are unable to properly digest cow's milk and therefore should stay away from it. But if that effeminization is what I think it is...whoa!Re: the information you are referring to...I quoted Nia Miashani from another thread, as her post was an excellent point d'appui. However, the word "effeminization" is derived from the word "effeminate," which means having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women rather than men...i.e., unmanly. The actual nouns are rendered "effeminacy" and "effeminateness."

Originally posted by NNQueen:
Now I have heard that Blacks are unable to properly digest cow's milk and therefore should stay away from it. But if that effeminization is what I think it is...whoa!tru dat, NNQueen...we are lactose-intolerant by nature. And yes, effeminization is what you think it is... :)

All the cow does is eat and moo-moo-moo...a lot of our people are like that...:(

Aqil,

Excellent info...

Thank you Regina...

Eating and drinking are the primary needs of man, and it is the FIRST duty of a religion to guide him in this respect...

Heavy Meat Consumption Raises Risk of Pancreatic Cancer?

Heavy consumption of hot dogs, sausages and other processed meats could raise the risk of pancreatic cancer, scientists heard yesterday at the annual meeting of the U.S. Cancer Association.

After adjusting for age, smoking status, and health conditions, a study of nearly 200,000 consumers found those who consumed the greatest amount of processed meats had a 67% increase in risk over those participants with the lowest intake of this food category. “The results suggest that carcinogenic substances related to meat preparation, rather than their inherent fat or cholesterol content, might be responsible for the association," said Ute Nöthlings, the study's lead investigator from the Cancer Research Center at the University of Hawaii.

Previous studies have suggested a link between meat consumption and pancreatic cancer, although results have been inconsistent. For this latest study, researchers from the Cancer Research Center and USC investigated the relationship of diet to pancreatic cancer among 190,545 men and women of African-American, Japanese-American, Caucasian, Latino and Native Hawaiian origin. An average follow-up of seven years yielded 482 incident cases of pancreatic cancer.

The researchers found that the heavy consumption of processed meats resulted in the highest risk for pancreatic cancer. A diet rich in pork and red meat also increased pancreatic cancer risk by about 50%, compared to their counterparts who ate less meat.

Consumption of poultry, fish, dairy products and eggs showed no link to pancreatic cancer risk, nor did overall intake of total fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol. "An analysis of fat and saturated fat intakes showed a significant increase in risk for fats from meat, but not from dairy products, indicating that fat and saturated fat are not likely to contribute to the underlying carcinogenic mechanism,"said Nöthlings.

The scientists suggest that chemical reactions that occur during the preparation of processed meats might be responsible for the association. Such reactions can yield carcinogens including heterocyclic amines or polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. "Our study is the largest of its kind to demonstrate a link between high consumption of processed meats over long periods of time and pancreatic cancer," said Nöthlings. "The sample size allowed us to obtain statistically significant risk estimates that support this hypothesis," he adds.

http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-ng.asp?n=59543-heavy-meat-consumption

I miss my vegan lifestyle. I only stopped because of the cost and that I am a college student. Poultry..and dairy products make me sick. My body was healthier and I wasn't having all the health problems that I am having now that I started eating poultry. I do happen to go to sams club and gt 3 cartons of soy milk for 6 dollars..and 16 veggie burgers for 5 dollars. I think i'll just start eating vegetables and drinking soy milk again, because my body loved it. I am going to detox this wknd..fasting on pure no sugar added organic juices and distilled water. Power to Vegans and Vegetarians.


Just because its "edible" doesnt mean you should put it in your mouth. If they made booboo taste good and sold it and called it something else, and found a way to get rid of the smell..would people eat it..

This is simply not true. Those who have given this subject consideration will not deny the fact that man is a vegetarian by nature. It is obvious that his teeth are designed to masticate vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains, whereas the teeth of carnivorous animals – which are tusk-like – are best adapted for flesh-tearing, and are also grown apart, so as to prevent the lodgment of particles of decayed flesh in the animal’s mouth...



I agree with this. At best, mankind is an omnivore.

Anyway, if one wants to be a vegan I say more power to them, but I don't think meat is the enemy. In fact, if you are completely vegan you'll miss out on vitamin B12 (only found in meat), and the very beneficial omega-3 acids found in salmon and other types of fish. Of course you could pop a pill to obtain these vitamins, but in my personal opinion I think acquiring them through food is more beneficial.

The main problem with Americans is that we eat too much of the wrong meat and not enough of the healthier kinds such as chicken, turkey, and fish.

I agree with this. At best, mankind is an omnivore.

Anyway, if one wants to be a vegan I say more power to them, but I don't think meat is the enemy. In fact, if you are completely vegan you'll miss out on vitamin B12 (only found in meat), and the very beneficial omega-3 acids found in salmon and other types of fish. Of course you could pop a pill to obtain these vitamins, but in my personal opinion I think acquiring them through food is more beneficial.

The main problem with Americans is that we eat too much of the wrong meat and not enough of the healthier kinds such as chicken, turkey, and fish.


Actually soy milk and other vegan products contain a good amount of vitamin B12..and soy milk has omega 3's the enhanced silk soy milk does. We make sure we get our vitamins :)

Actually soy milk and other vegan products contain a good amount of vitamin B12...and soy milk has omega 3s the enhanced silk soy milk does. We make sure we get our vitamins.^5 Nisa...(btw, the recipe forum is the bomb!) Here is another interesting article re: the dangers of consuming animal flesh:

Meat-Based Diet Dangerous for Your Heart’s Health

The heart is arguably the hardest working muscle in the body, pumping blood, oxygen, and nutrients to all the body’s organs. A healthy heart is a prescription for a healthy body. Eating animal-based foods impairs the heart’s ability to do its job. Meat and dairy products are high in cholesterol and saturated fat. As these fatty substances, or “plaques,” build up inside the walls of arteries, blood flow to all areas of the body is impeded. This artery damage is called "atherosclerosis."

It often begins very early in life and develops gradually. When too little blood reaches various regions of the body, normal immune systems are impaired, setting people up for a number of diseases, most notably heart disease. Heart disease is the number one health problem in the United States today and, according to the American Heart Association, the single leading cause of death. Most heart disease is diet-related...caused by animal products. Research conducted by Dr. T.C. Campbell shows a highly significant correlation between the consumption of even small amounts of animal-based foods and the increasing prevalence of heart disease.

Tell-tale signs of heart disease include impotence, swollen feet and ankles, and shortness of breath. The most common symptom occurs when atherosclerosis prevents blood from flowing to the heart and the victim experiences chest pains. This is called “ischemia,” and it’s a warning sign that coronary heart disease has progressed to a dangerous point. Eventually, a heart attack results from the lack of blood flow to the heart. Sadly, 60% of children and young adults have early atherosclerotic damage that can lead to heart disease. And according to the National Center for Health Statistics and the American Heart Association, about 5.8 million men and 6.1 million women alive today have suffered from a heart attack or acute chest pain.

Mortality rates for heart disease are higher than those of all forms of cancer combined, and more than 700,000 people die from the disease every year. Studies show that people who experience frequent heart attacks often have high cholesterol levels; many also smoke or have high blood pressure. When these factors are controlled, heart attacks become rare. Foods that are high in saturated fat and cholesterol, such as meat and dairy products, are the major contributors to high-cholesterol levels. In fact, animal products are the only sources of dietary cholesterol.

Here’s the good news:

Now that we know what causes heart attacks, we can prevent them. Studies have shown that a vegan (pure vegetarian) diet - rich in whole grains, fruits, and vegetables - can stop and even reverse heart disease. People following a plant-based diet have 2.5 times fewer cardiac events, including heart attack, stroke, bypass surgery, and angioplasty. By switching to a vegetarian diet, you can significantly reduce - and even eliminate - your chances of dying from heart disease...

^5 Nisa...(btw, the recipe forum is the bomb!) Here is another interesting article re: the dangers of consuming animal flesh:

Meat-Based Diet Dangerous for Your Heart’s Health

The heart is arguably the hardest working muscle in the body, pumping blood, oxygen, and nutrients to all the body’s organs. A healthy heart is a prescription for a healthy body. Eating animal-based foods impairs the heart’s ability to do its job. Meat and dairy products are high in cholesterol and saturated fat. As these fatty substances, or “plaques,” build up inside the walls of arteries, blood flow to all areas of the body is impeded. This artery damage is called "atherosclerosis."

It often begins very early in life and develops gradually. When too little blood reaches various regions of the body, normal immune systems are impaired, setting people up for a number of diseases, most notably heart disease. Heart disease is the number one health problem in the United States today and, according to the American Heart Association, the single leading cause of death. Most heart disease is diet-related...caused by animal products. Research conducted by Dr. T.C. Campbell shows a highly significant correlation between the consumption of even small amounts of animal-based foods and the increasing prevalence of heart disease.

Tell-tale signs of heart disease include impotence, swollen feet and ankles, and shortness of breath. The most common symptom occurs when atherosclerosis prevents blood from flowing to the heart and the victim experiences chest pains. This is called “ischemia,” and it’s a warning sign that coronary heart disease has progressed to a dangerous point. Eventually, a heart attack results from the lack of blood flow to the heart. Sadly, 60% of children and young adults have early atherosclerotic damage that can lead to heart disease. And according to the National Center for Health Statistics and the American Heart Association, about 5.8 million men and 6.1 million women alive today have suffered from a heart attack or acute chest pain.

Mortality rates for heart disease are higher than those of all forms of cancer combined, and more than 700,000 people die from the disease every year. Studies show that people who experience frequent heart attacks often have high cholesterol levels; many also smoke or have high blood pressure. When these factors are controlled, heart attacks become rare. Foods that are high in saturated fat and cholesterol, such as meat and dairy products, are the major contributors to high-cholesterol levels. In fact, animal products are the only sources of dietary cholesterol.

Here’s the good news:

Now that we know what causes heart attacks, we can prevent them. Studies have shown that a vegan (pure vegetarian) diet - rich in whole grains, fruits, and vegetables - can stop and even reverse heart disease. People following a plant-based diet have 2.5 times fewer cardiac events, including heart attack, stroke, bypass surgery, and angioplasty. By switching to a vegetarian diet, you can significantly reduce - and even eliminate - your chances of dying from heart disease...

*running up the hill to the store for 3 cartons of soy milk,some veggie breakfast sausage,and ginger tea*

Al hamdu-l-'lah, my sister...have you tried 8th Continent chocolate soy milk? It is the :bomb: !!! Do you do Morningstar or Boca breakfast sausage?

Al hamdu-l-'lah, my sister...have you tried 8th Continent chocolate soy milk? It is the :bomb: !!! Do you do Morningstar or Boca breakfast sausage?


Oooh 8th Continent chocolate soy milk *drools* Morningstar or Boca-depends which one is one sale and if i have a coupon for it :lol:

:D I hear you...:D

I got a 75 cents off coupon for boca burger and 50 cents off coupon for 8th continent *drool*