i have heard it said many times by black people before that it's impossible for black people to be racist.

who here believes that it's impossible for blacks to be racist and if so, why do you believe this way.

if you don't believe this way, then this post is not directed at you. I'm not attacking anyone who believes this with this post, i just want some homest opinions.

peace/

ltkpolit

i have heard it said many times by black people before that it's impossible for black people to be racist.

who here believes that it's impossible for blacks to be racist and if so, why do you believe this way.

if you don't believe this way, then this post is not directed at you. I'm not attacking anyone who believes this with this post, i just want some homest opinions.

peace/

ltkpolit

We all exist under a system of racism in the form of white supremacy. I don't see any Black supremacy in existent on the planet. I also don't see any Red supremacy or Yellow supremacy either. Therefore, white supremacy is the only functioning form of racism on the planet, how can Black people be racist under white supremacy?

Coming from a country with a history of racism, i find myself in two minds about the whole situation. As Mahogany brown indicated, racism as we know it, is white sumpremacy in an oppressive manner over other races. and that is simple and understandable. But what do you call a black person being racist against an indian person? (for example) not wanting indian people around-maybe even specifically muslims-given the whole America+terrorism issue (i know i am unjustifiably simplifying issues here) but is that not racist? if I go to china and I am ostrocised and people are discriminating against me, is that racism? as well? well, i think it is.

i believe that there can be many levels of racism in this country...and it is...black on black racism...i.e.(i hate deal'n with coons)...i actually heard a black cat say dat...but i do believe the intensity of racism is the highest between a white person and a black person...more importantly, a black person i belive can never be as racist as a white person in this country...just because of the tainted history surrounding america...everyone in america is a racist to a certain degree...and you can bet tall dollars on that...
peace
khasm

I believe all people can be racist, this includes blacks, and also that other non white races are just as bad as whites, if not worse.

What's the difference between:

racism, discrimination, and prejudice

Coming from a country with a history of racism, i find myself in two minds about the whole situation. As Mahogany brown indicated, racism as we know it, is white sumpremacy in an oppressive manner over other races. and that is simple and understandable. But what do you call a black person being racist against an indian person? (for example) not wanting indian people around-maybe even specifically muslims-given the whole America+terrorism issue (i know i am unjustifiably simplifying issues here) but is that not racist? if I go to china and I am ostrocised and people are discriminating against me, is that racism? as well? well, i think it is.
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Mkhaya lo'

These are very good points you make. Why do blacks not want to be around other blacks. Some other races don't want other races around them either. it crosses those lines you are refering to.

Racism starts in speech. When it was decided that we would not be educated properly or " at all " . Which is the true case. Meant that we would have this disadvantage that well speakers of the " English " lanuage would use to classify us and those of their own to a lower class. English, a Latin based lanuage has roots. That they believe if not properly pronounced. Used and communicated. Gives them the right to score our childern lower scores in English classes. Lanuage classes. Without good reading and comprehension skills you know the student is doomed to score lower. So first I see it as the product of their plan. So now if you created a plan and are nothappy with he results. you should be disappointed in yourself. Not those you set-up and positioned to play catch up. I think in a nut shell as black americans we have decided not to keep running a race where the other palyers keep moving the line. That is so frustrating, and sprit numbing. So it worked again.

The Latin and Greek root for the suffix " ISM " means - act, condition.

So we do have a race condition. RACISM Some call it the negroe problem. Others a race problem.

All we want is to live. The root for the suffix " IVE " means -- of, belonging to, quality of. So we try hard to live. Belong to the society that needed us, to clear the land that the indians left uncleared. While they sat on the stolen land that they took from the indians that was cleared. Now no one ( CONGRESS ) don't want to be responsible for the conditions they chose to supply us with or in.

The root suffix " age " means - belongs to. The Latin root for the word " man " means hand.
So our hands belong to those who manage us. Be it your boss. Who ever. It carries some old slave remnants.. you know the whole you my property, I hired ( bought you ) so I can tell you, and treat you in any condition I please. I am your manager. The only power he really has is the damage he could do to your lively hood. Without that power he is helpless to practice RACISM.

Thats why rich people get their way. You can't make them do anything. They don't need your support to survive.

The latin Prefix " con " means - together, with
The latin root word " gress " means - step, degree, rank

So without the " rank " . BLACK AMERICA would not have been subjected to slavery. Together " with " the citizens of this great land. It was decided that somebody had to clear that land and pick those crops. those dam indians were dying from the alcohol and other sickness brought here from Europe. Plus.. their sprit died to soon. They didn't know what slavery was. They had always been free people. So it killed many to be placed on RESERVATIONS to starve and wait for the army to slauther them. You know a old fashion ROMAN blood bath. That sticky red rum. Emptied heavily into the ground. The year of this massive murder was November 19, 1861. It was reported that it rained blood and it continued for four years. It lasted as long as the CIVIL WAR. Did we have a civil war, covering up the Indian war.

So again the rank, sanctioned by the " degree " only achieved during the days of ROME. " Together " " with " citizens our great forefathers of this great land. The pilgrims and Presidents that looked the other way. Used " STEP" after step, and stepped on the Native american, and Black american. So RACISM is a strange condition. Who practices it does so. Hidden in words. Peace...

I've gotten to the point where I can't stand working alongside them.
To watch them with their subtle self congratulatory grins and posturing, that condescending superciliousness permanently etched into their pig skinned faces that says, "We have it all because we invented it all and there's nothing you can do about it because you people haven't the brains or the balls", their inherent sense of superior intellectual, cultural and spiritual sophistication, that dismissive arrogance, and not say anything because I'm at work, is an exercise in self control to the nth degree.

My friends who feel the same way do not feel that they are racists and neither do I, but realists; blacks are inherently a loving and welcoming people.

When blacks learn to dislike and distrust whites, it is after a lifetime of being hated and treated with contempt, whereas whites are taught to dislike and distrust blacks because that is the system in which they live, a system engineered around the greed and power influenced misrepresentations of the European feudal lords who wish to maintain and build upon, with the help of a handful of vehemently racist industrialized nations with imperial aspirations, their domination of the world; and have become so embedded in the dirty fabric of western society that they are now considered infallible truth, all in order to steal and continue stealing right under people's noses, but always mixed with the illusion of concerted efforts towards harmony of the races and/or the possibility of black prosperity and self determination.

Hogwash.....

I don't like them and I don't want to like them, I like it that way, it gives me strength and purpose.

I believe only whites truly define, racist action i.e., racism, because they invented the concept of race. The early study of anthropology was imbued with racist ideas and assumptions.

RACE AND RACISM ARE INDIVISIBLE EUROPEAN CONCEPTS!!

We are usually just being reactionary to the abusive psychological encroachments to this foreign concept. Race is just a scientifically insidious exploitation of tribalism and was invented, so “white” Europeans could define and design them selves, which made it necessary to define and design an entity called “non-Europeans” i.e., “non-whites”.

One of the first concepts of modern European racism was the class designate “Sangre Azul” or “Blue bloods”, a social/racial caste denoting pure or so-called untainted white heritage among the aristocratic and royal classes of Southern Europe.

Everything that’s evil, relates to an innate quality.

Peace,

Sun Ship

P.S. – concerning East Indian people and racism. The Indo-European Aryan’s caste system is the oldest form of discrimination and prejudice, based on skin color in recorded history and is still very well alive in Hindu India.

SunShip your heading is so true. So a little RR wouldn't hurt. A little revolutionary, thinking and a controlled reactionary mode.

But nobody gets in the face. Thats a given. Decided that. Practice it heavily everyday. You better not be mean mugging when you pass. That is a notch wanted on the resume.. you know for those that carry credentials at all times. Ready to , never laying them on the table while being dealt that hand from the bottom of a stacked deck.

Asians.. understand. I know I have too many as friends. I ask. Why you do that. But without their trust. You can't get conversation. This is what you and everyone see. You speak. They say. I don't understand. That it's self disarms you. The true disarming of a man. Is the second I don't understand or look. The look. A Sincere look that makes you feel uneasy. You know the one.

Disarm any comment to take control. You must have control.
Sticks and stones can brake my bones. Words dont do a thing. But don't you put a hand on me.

Practice peace first

thanks a lot for your replies.

i am one who believes that it's possible for blacks to be racist. I've witnessed blacks take their racism out on other people of color. I've also witnessed people of color take out their racism on blacks. I've seen blacks take their racism out on one another out of self hate. As for rather or not it's possible for blacks to be racist toward whites, I believe black people have a good REASON to be this way towards whites, but not a right. I don't believe anyone has a right to be racist. Racism is wrong coming from anyone.

i also believe that it's very possible for a black person to be racist toward a white person and that a line is drawn between and having racial pride, speaking out and doing something about when you are being descriminated against and just being a downright racist. I would say a black person is racist towards whites if they preach hatred and genocide of whites.

peace

"There is a vast difference between blacks being "racist" and having pride in who we are. I believe it is our inherent right to be proud and speak it loud given who we are and how this nation came into being on the backs of our ancestors.

I do not believe at all that Blacks can be racist. We are called racist when we stop hating who we are and promote that pride in other Blacks. It is not hatred to promote pride amongst us, nor is it bigoted. As long as we continue to buy into the self hatred issue, whites will continue to be bigoted and we will continue as a race, in the insanity into which we were born.

I am one who "advocates" Blacks loving themselves and will continue to do so. I just want to know exactly "who" says it is racist for me to do so and on what foundation would someone base such an assumption?

If we don't learn to love ourselves, no one else will. And while we are being taught to love them, who is going to teach them to love us?

Just another point of view."



Lya,

i completely agree with you. I think you missed the point i was making though. I believe it's okay for blacks to have racial pride.


here is what i said.

"believe that it's very possible for a black person to be racist toward a white person and that a line is drawn between and having racial pride, speaking out and doing something about when you are being descriminated against and just being a downright racist."

my point is that there is a line between having racial pride and just being down right racist. I believe some people take racial pride too far and here is where i believe the racism lies. Saying things like black is beautiful, we are a strong race of people, i'm black and i'm proud is completely different from saying whitey is the devil, and white is inferior to black, whites are the most evil people on the face of the earth, white people need to be wiped off the face of the earth, etc.


other than believing it's impossible for blacks to be racist, i completely agree with your poin of view


peace :luvv:

Iya-
I'm bowing down...

Today, when we stop worrying about others and how they feel and trying to understand some dogs (male or female, any/all races and ethnicities) racist views against us-- THERE IS A PROBLEM... and what is sad is that wanna be selfless-ignornat-ijustwannabeloved Blacks try to throw that bs at you too...

No one questions, why others are so mad when we are in it for US; when we openly express our love of self and community... You would think that sane people would wonder why.

Why do people become uncomfortable when we speak to each other; when we smile, when we marvel at our beauty?

Because we have a POWER that comes with LOVING OURSELVES

That is why we ARE STUPID

If I may, just sit back and think about this:

THEY (YES WHITEY AND THEIR CO-CONSPIRATORS- INCLUDING LACKEY BLACKEY) HAVE TO SAY HOW MUCH THEY LOVE THEMSELVES; TRY TO PROVE IT BY EXCLUDING, KILLING OTHERS) IT IS FAKE (BUT THEY PRETEND VERY WELL PUBLICLY- BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE DARK THAT COUNTS AND THAT IS MAYHEM AND DON'T MAKE THE NEWS) BUT WHEN A FAIR NUMBER OF US FELT IT, SHOWED IT, LIVED AND BREATHED IT- WE CHANGED THE **** WORLD....

FEAR OF A BLACK HAT-

We are also stupid because we continue to labour under the belief and hope that one day, all of a sudden, despite the fact that this has never been so, and especially in todays political climate, it is becoming ever less so, that whites will truly seek to intergrate with us due to a genuine need to create [or commitment to creating] for themselves and all, a better world in which everybody is free to explore their full range of development and not as a pretext for maintaining the status quo, ie, white supremacy [do not allow anything to be considered solely black, lest it be used as a starting block toward black unity et al..and while it is soley or mainly black, curse it, denigrate it, villify it until we can infiltrate or destroy it].

Tell me this isn't so, I dare you, prove to me that they haven't been this way down through the centuries, and I'll slap down so much information to the contrary, you won't know where to begin.

Why is it that no matter what whites and their cohorts do to further their own ends at the expense of blacks, we refuse to see them for the people they are?

Whole books are devoted to discussing this, whites worship power and control and if they have to smile at you, shake your hand, use the media, whatever they have to do, even kill their own, to maintain control, they will do it.

They have wiped out whole nations [or the equivalent number] of people for power, simply because they were in the way of their obtaining power, everywhere they have encountered people of dark skin they have done this....everywhere.

Most evil people on the earth or rather, people, who as a people, are either directly responsible for [or who have had a hand in creating or exacerbating conditions that are condusive to this] the most evil during recorded history?.....in my book they certainly are.
No other peoples have affected the world so negatively and in so widespread a fashion.

Then we plead with them to let us have something that is ours anyway [if only we'd wake up and stop trying to 'keep hope alive']


You see it [begging] going on in Africa, you see it in America...please help me white man, in the name of Jesus, help me, as a result of us not being willing to see who the real enemy is.

Ha!

IT'S ABOUT POWER....IT'S ABOUT CONTROL....ITS ABOUT MONEY, it's not about doing what's right.

This naive 'we are the world' stupidness has brought blacks nothing, all over the world, but the same old, that 'same old' being recognition and status as a second class human being.

It's about HISTORY AND THE PRESENT and the likely FUTURE, I want nothing from whites, not their love not their friendship, not their help, not their money, I'm not begging people who right now are killing mine! and any black who goes begging them while this is the case should be ASHAMED!, and personally I have no time for them, because of them [they are one of the reasons at any rate] we are afforded no respect and are seen world wide as BEGGERS, beggars are the dogs, dogs beg!

The same type of people who allow whites into everything created by blacks because 'we've come such such a long way', then whinge when whites turn round and do what they always do and do best [or at least, it has done nothing to hurt them, TAKE! and proclaim themselves king]

Yes, when the cameras are on, the politicians will start singing songs, holding hands with people of colour, they'll pick up your children and smile for the cameras but when the media have put their story for the day to bed and all us stupid blacks have gone home, one with the Great Vibe, they hunt and kill your brothers and sisters in a myriad of ways, the same thing they have always done.

That is REALITY and the truth of the matter is simply this:

IF PRO BLACKS WANT THE POWER TO TRULY SELF DETERMINE THEIR FUTURES and the course of their development in all areas of life [WITHOUT WHITE SUPREMACIST INTERFERENCE], THEY WILL HAVE TO GO IT ALONE, UNITED, that is the only way.

Stockley Carmicheal believed the same thing and has anything changed as regards to global view of blacks???

NO!

It's not about hating or wanting to kill whites, or their supposed [by some] inferiority [although in my opinion, what goes around, comes around, you try to convince the world that a people are inferior with lies and truth will surface to suggest something else].

It is about, what how they, as a people, treat non-whites, it's about their non-inclination in addressing injustice [reparations for slavery for instance or their gradual dismantling of affirmative action, or the fact that the majority of whites in South Africa are opposed to compensation to those families of Apatheid victims, in fact most white are opposed to anything the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commitee directly or indirectly handle, because they are about finding out what happened to loved ones, the truth of what happened which then lends itself to the issue of compensating the families, things that benefit blacks and not they].

Oh yes, I'm for racial harmony but if racial harmony beginning with compensation - as part of the reconciliation process, a vital ingredient if any true racial harmony is to exist - means less for us in anyway shape or form, HELL NO!, even if what we enjoy can trace its roots to the sufferings of those people who are now seek compensation.

And I say 'whites in South Africa' as opposed to South African whites, since as I read one person put it [not in these exact words], their foreparents were not invited, they violently invited themselves.

I also do not like blacks who side with whites in causing their own people suffering or, as I said, blacks who go sniffing around the ankles of whites for scraps then run around smashing up their own ****, what little they have when whites continue to do what they do and have always done unashamedly and unapologetically, I mean, they hurt us so we hurt ourselves then ask them to make it all better, what madness is this?

A black is [self] hatist against blacks or other people of colour, that I do not agree with, I see a black, I see family and although I'm not stupid to the fact that there are bad blacks out there, I trust blacks first!, heck, even your blood brother with the same surname and parents as you can turn against you but people will identify with their siblings first before outsiders ...on the other hand, a black is a REALIST as regards whites, that is, is not fooled by the same old sequence of events regarding European imperialist strategies?...that is COMMON SENSE!

Whites will, more often times than not, trust whites first and sometimes they will get burned for doing so but they will still trust whites first, employing in the future, a closer scutiny toward those whites they do choose to trust but still always trusting whites before blacks.

But keep on, and in 100 years [if we are still here that is and based on emerging information, I don't see it happening as long as we hang on to whites for salvation] your grandchildren/ great grandchildren will still be begging whites to give them a leg up.

What a laugh!


Peace......

Hi Lktpolit. Let me ask you some questions that might help you to understand the Black point of view.

If you were bitten by a dog, at a very early age, wouldn't you be inclined to be afraid that all dogs would bite you? Wouldn't you form a kind of prejudice against dogs in general? While growing up, and you continued to be bitten by dogs, wouldn't that strengthen your position? Wouldn't your guard be continually up whenever you encounter a dog, see pictures of dogs, hear about dogs?

Now consider if dogs were in control of how people are viewed in the media, or brutalized by police or denied certain respects. Would these facts not make you leary of dogs. Now consider this. If there was a certain group of dogs (that could talk) were telling you to love all dogs because they are God's creatures and hatred of dogs is wrong, wouldn't you be a leary that dogs were telling you it is a good thing to let other dogs walk all over you, because this is the way God wants it? And wouldn't this make you question a religion that allows dogs to misuse you, because it states it in their religion, but yet to retailliate is wrong and against the law?

Wouldn't you, with the information, that dogs are allowed to infect you with diseases, falsely imprison you, desecrate your holy places, beat you or kill you in front of millions without being held accountable, etc. feel just a little bit of contempt for dogs?

Wouldn't you, knowing dogs could single you out and and poop on you, hang you, boil you in oil, castrate you, blind you, draw and quarter you, separate you from your familiy, cut your limbs off, drag you to death, rape you, torture you, miseducate you, deny you miseducation, because you were highly visible because of your skin color, be a tad miffed against those dogs who did it to you first? And wouldn't you be inclined to continue to hold those feelings when met with obstacles that continue to hold you back from progression?

Now with all of that, do you believe that racism towards white people is even a concept? Whatever your answer, we don't care. If white folks think we are racist against them, so be it. Whatever you call what we feel, it will never intimidate us enough to stop feeling it or expressing it, until it stops.


columnofsmoke,

of course i would hold a prejudice against dogs. Everyone has prejudices. i have them many times in regards to white people, but i TRY my best not to be that way. And not being a racist does not mean that you let white people walk all over you. in my opinion, it's all about getting the job done without allowing emotions to get in the way. I have a problem with this as well. as i said in my earlier post, black people have a reason to be racist but not a right. And i can COMPLETELY understand why blacks would hold racist views toward whites, because that's a natural feeling when you're the victm who's under attck. the first post i made is for me as well. I also wanted to gain some knowledge as to why people believed it was impossible for blacks to be racist.


"help you to understand the Black point of view."

i am a black female. Just thought i'd tell you that because it seemed that you addressed me as if i were white. :lol:

peace :heart:

as for happy and uzoka, i refuse to address people who want to make ASSumptions but don't know a dam thing about how i feel or me personally to make those judgements. You 2 are VERY creative because i don't know HOW you read all of that into 3 posts. you couldn't be farther from the truth. I am in NO way naive(or stupid) when it comes to the racism that black people have to go through. pLus i am not a we are the world type, because i believe in putting blacks first and foremost, but that doesn't mean i don't have ideas about what's right and wrong. And i refuse to waste valuable time trying to "prove myself" to you by replying with an in depth response to all that nonsense that you all ASSumed.

Systemic racism (which is the only effective and true form of racism) must be imbued with power; the type of power, one race can collectively inflict upon another, that can alter the course of the victimized race’s history, lively-hood and overall well being. And believe me, we do not have that type of power, over whites.

Sister Lktpolit,

Most Black people don’t want to call the white man the “devil”. But before you give up on him, you must first define a “devil”.

Maybe to be a devil is not a bad thing, after all.

I want to give white people any and all well-deserved distinctions and accolades, they have earned.

Maybe there are good devils and bad devils.

What is a devil? What is a white man?

If white people made an announcement tomorrow, that they are the “devil”, would you believe them?

Would you be upset?

Are Lions evil, because they eat antelopes?

Or, is it unnatural for antelopes not to run, when Lions show up?

If we resolve the fact that Black people can be as racist as white people, it seems to make us feel better.

Remember what Malcolm said about the house n*gg*r, when the house n*gg*r saw that his master was ill, “are WE sick boss”?

h-mmm-m . Lets say that again, ___“Are WE sick boss?” :lol:

Or maybe it should be, “Are WE racist boss?”

That may be, even more like it.

Peace,

Sun Ship

The word "Racist" is the most misused words in the english language. The word has evolved over the years. A Racist was initially someone with the ability to have negative impact on the lives of people base on unproven personal beliefs about a race of people. Example: A Caucassian person who is a judge not only find every person of African descent that appears in his courtroom guilty but also gives harsher sentences solely based upon how the judge feels about the defendants race.

A Bigot is someone has negative views about a group of people that may openly express their views. Example: A person of African descent expresses unproven negative views about Oriental people openly when the situation presents itself.

In the modern dictionary the these words are similar except a racist targets race.

The word Racist was intended for people of power. This is why African Americans feel they can not be racists. For much of America's history African American have been powerless over their circumstances or African Americans had limited power and still had to answer to someone with more power.

By nature we cling to the familiar and shy from the unknown. This is a natural defense mechanism learned through experiences. So by the modern definition it is possible for African Americans to be racists, but by the intended meaning very few African Americans can be racists. The key is power.

Quote Radical Faith:

“By nature we cling to the familiar and shy from the unknown. This is a natural defense mechanism learned through experiences. So by the modern definition it is possible for African Americans to be racists, but by the intended meaning very few African Americans can be racists. The key is power”

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Peace Radical Faith,

The key IS power! So, first we must have a true definition of power.

Intrinsic power, metaphorical or symbolic power and martialist driven power.

I mean actual power.

Most Black people have no concept of power, by definition, practice or conception. Racism, by definition is only as old as the concept of race itself and is peculiar in its own sense of practice. Racism is overly generalized as a human emotion, evolving over millenniums into a paradigm called White Supremacy. Though there is an old and well-documented history of Indo-Europeans, using skin color for particular caste designations, this cannot explain the institutional and scientific constructs designed to support systemic racism. Modern racism is as philosophical and scientifically structured as economics, democracy and capitalism.

The only true defense mechanism, as far as race is concern, that Blacks display is the “fight fire with fire” strategy, which only brings emotional satisfaction on an individual level. There is NO documentation that shows that Africans/African Americans are able to exert power over whites, in the context of a racially based paradigm, be it systemically practiced or in an institutional realm.

And to conclude; for whites to think we should endure character assassination, cultural genocide, spiritual deracination and social marginalization, without any kind of defensive rebuttal, offensive verbal strategies of our own or a critique of their race, is almost unnatural. You see this type of parlaying everyday politically and internationally among whites their selves. It’s only Blacks who should sit back and take the beatings, the bombings, chastisement, and stereotyping and DO NOTHING. But when we speak up, we are accused of being just like them (racist whites) or worst.

BLACK PEOPLE CAN’T YOU SEE THIS TRICK AND ASSAULT ON YOUR NATURAL MINDS.

Peace,

Sun Ship

"But when we speak up, we are accused of being just like them (racist whites) or worst."

sunship, let me get something straight right now. I never said that standing up for yourself and not allowing white people to walk all over you meant you were a racist. nor have i EVER said that black unity or all black organizations were racist. I have NEVER said black nationalism was racist becaus ei MYSELF am a black nationalist just as much as i am a womanist/feminst. and where did you get this from that blacks who just happened to have labveled another black racist do nothing for their own people? that's WHY i'm in college right now studying to be a writter in order to pass the word to black people and educate them on what's needed to overcome both racism and sexism within our community.

Now, you and Radical Faith may have a point that it's impossible for blacks to be racist AGAINST WHITES due to power. but, it is not impossible for blacks to be a bigot.

as i've said time and time again, i completely understand why blacks would have a lot of animosity toward whites.

p.s., how do we edit our profile?

Sister, Lktpolit

Would you please describe a Black bigoted act and/or a Black racist incident, so I can have some clarity. Do not generalize and be very specific.

Peace

P.S. - If you click on your private message link, on the main forum page, it takes you to a page, that will allow you to link to your profile for editing. :)

my definition of how a black person can be a bigot toward a white person is one who has a KKK like mentality only in black skin. a black person who hates whites and believes in killing whitey and that whites are an inferior species.

another way i which a black persaon can be racist is to be racist toward their own people...examle--self hate.

a black person could also be a bigot if they are more judgemental of other races than they are of their own.


"P.S. - If you click on your private message link, on the main forum page, it takes you to a page, that will allow you to link to your profile for editing."

thanks :)

And a person who's skinny can be bigoted against someone who is obese. So what exactly are you trying to convey LKTpolit?

The Quote below is from Sister Lktpolit last post:

“my definition of how a black person can be a bigot toward a white person is one who has a KKK like mentality only in black skin. a black person who hates whites and believes in killing whitey and that whites are an inferior species.

another way i which a black persaon can be racist is to be racist toward their own people...examle--self hate.”

a black person could also be a bigot if they are more judgemental of other races than they are of their own.”

Unquote.

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There's something suspicious about your examples. First of all you didn’t give me any first hand or specific examples or cases of this type of behavior being displayed by Blacks, Which has made me look at your words and terminology a little closer. I believe you are a little disingenuous, in believing that Black people can be as bigoted as Whites.

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Peace Sister Lktpolit,

Lets review some excerpts from your post.
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Quote Lktpolit: “my definition of how a black person can be a bigot... black person…who has a KKK like mentality”
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What do you really know about a vile, murderous and predatory organization like the Ku Klux Klan, that you should use them as a comparison, to what you perceive as “some" Black person’s “so-called racist” attitudes. They were not a bunch of reactionary, “Jerry Springer show” type hill-billies, but a sophisticated terrorist organization sanctioned, bolstered and subsidized by many government officials and business moguls. Along with being morally and ethically sustained by ministers, judges and law officers. They were an intricate part of the great American way and were covertly used to solve the so-called “Negro Problem”, after slavery. I think to use the Ku Klux Klan as an example to describe the reactionary emotions of “some” Black people, is an insult to all of the African Americans who where systematically assassinated, terrorized and disenfranchised by this terrorist organization.


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Quote Lktpolit : “my definition of how a black person can be a bigot ...a black person who …believes in killing whitey”
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This phraseology “killing whitey” makes me very suspect of your experiences or information. I am not attacking you personally and believe that you are a “Black female” as you implied. But this type of phraseology is archaic, from a different era and was never really used by those who subscribed to “over-zealous militancy”. Matter of fact, not only do I find it strange, that a young African American female would refer to this phrase, but “whitey”, as a functional term was never part of the “true” militant vocabulary, no matter how radical the person was and was more of a commercialized or blaxploitation cinema type word, symbolizing so-called “black rage” and “misguided radicalism”.

HISTORICALLY!! THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A "WHITEY" KILLING CAMPAIGN, AMONG BLACKS, JUST BECAUSE WHITES WERE WHITE!!

To take this even further, you usually heard this slang/euphemism for “whites” repeated by racist government officials and cops in the 60’s and 70’s, when they called their selves repeating the sentiments of supposed “angry black militants” or it may of been graffiti scribbled on some “ghetto” wall, as a warning to whites during the riots. Most of this type of racist rhetoric was invented by the white racist establishment via CoIntelpro, which was a collaborative secret and illegal government program, enacted to gather intelligence, spread disinformation and create mayhem in the Black community. “Killing whitey” is a term I never heard used by serious radicals, militants, activist or even revolutionary zealots. There are always deranged people, who may say anything insane, in any race, But the radical rhetoric and street corner colloquialism that I’m familiar with, never really embraced this slogan (killing whitey). Also there were government paid anarchist, spies and antagonist, included in meetings and rallies to induce and/or represent genocidal rhetoric directed towards whites

Don’t buy into this hype. Don’t let people put ideas in your head and words in your mouth. Do your own research.



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Quote Lktpolit: “my definition of how a black person can be a bigot...a black person who… believes… whites are an inferior species”
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You need a deeper understanding of this idea, before you accuse African Americans, of being just bias. If you understood white supremacy, it is based upon WHITES OWN INFERIORITY COMPLEXES. This psychosis is at the core of discrimination.

“_____The idea that Blacks are more superior than they are, so we (Blacks) must be held back in order for whites to have the advantage and then subsequently the supreme position.”

Sister, this is racism 101, were talking about here. When we discovered this sub-conscious pathology, we the oppressed, tried to take advantage of it. Because without systemic racism and the white supremacy philosophy, whites felt they were like a “turtle without a shell”. Believe me, the conservative to the most liberal white person, may never dare admit to their own inferiority complex, but their discriminatory actions, institutions and social policies speak louder than words.


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Quote Lktpolit: “…another way i which a black persaon can be racist is to be racist toward their own people...examle--self hate.”
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This may be problematic at times, but this is not racism or bigotry. As I said before, both of these suppositions were invented by whites, for a particular reason. You will never hear a white man, call another white man a bigot or racist, because he has a problem with that white man, in the context of their white world.


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Quote Lktpolit: “…a black person could also be a bigot if they are more judgemental of other races than they are of their own.”
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You must have never heard Malcolm X, Min. Farrakhan, or many other of our black activist, as they have chastised, repudiated and exposed the misguided actions of our people. And then on the other side of constructive criticism, is the so-called self-hatred, you referred to, whereas we criticize and demean each other, too much.

Sister, you need to read more and study more. And if you will like to share some of your ideas about black nationalism, with all of us, I will post a list of a few easy to find and well known books that may help you get a better grip on this phenomenon. “Racism and Bigotry”

Peace,

Sun Ship

“What do you really know about a vile, murderous and predatory organization like the Ku Klux Klan, that you should use them as a comparison, to what you perceive as “some" Black person’s “so-called racist” attitudes.”

First off, who said there was ever a big organization in black face such as the KKK? Keep in mind i'm talking about the mentality of some individuals. I have actually heard some black people say that the only way to solve the problem blacks face in America is to riot and kill whites. I’ve had PERSONAL experiences with blacks of this mentality. My dad is one of them who has often said things like this out of rage although he never really meant it and he would never harm a hair on a persons head in terms of killing someone. But the thought is still there. And keep in mind, blacks who both say and actually BELIEVE (unlike my dad)things like this are the EXTREEM version and represent a VERY small minority. Also, keep in mind, there have been black hate crimes committed against whites eventhough they are no where close to white hate crimes committed against blacks. The point i was making was that there are blacks who have a KKK like mentality, even if they are few they still exist. YOU asked me what a black racist is to me and i simply listed examples, simple as that..Just go on BET and you will see posts started by African Americans saying that we as black people should pull a Nat Turner on whites and our problems will be solved. These were all random examples of my experiences with black racists. Just read this thread


http://betboards.bet.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB66&Number=1140694&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

“This phraseology “killing whitey” makes me very suspect of your experiences or information. I am not attacking you personally and believe that you are a “Black female” as you implied. But this type of phraseology is archaic, from a different era and was never really used by those who subscribed to “over-zealous militancy”. Matter of fact, not only do I find it strange, that a young African American female would refer to this phrase, but “whitey”, as a functional term was never part of the “true” militant vocabulary, no matter how radical the person was and was more of a commercialized or blaxploitation cinema type word, symbolizing so-called “black rage” and “misguided radicalism”.”


Whatever the terminology, the idea is still there amongst a small minority of blacks about killing whites. No, I’ve never witnessed hearing a black person use the term whitey. Whites are the only ones I’ve heard use this term. And I’ve NEVER said or even IMPLIED that blacks extremists use this term. I was trying to convey a point of what my idea of a racist was. This was just the language that I myself used to get my point across.I remember an old school rap song that was played a while, (probably from the 80s, all I know is that it was old school) back that used the phrase “kill whitey,” although I don’t remember exactly rather or not it was made by a white rapper who was trying too hard to be “down” or an actual black rapper. I used the term whitey because that’s the first term that came to mind….

Moving on.


“You will never hear a white man, call another white man a bigot or racist, because he has a problem with that white man, in the context of their white world.”

I can tell you what, you may not think this is credible enough, but i ran across this topic on mindkandys interracial debate and race relations where this white guy named Kandi2Swt4U started a topic called white on white racism and most of the white people in the thread expressed their experiences with white on white racism. And even if you yourself have never heard whites call “self-hating whites,” bigots or racists, that still doesn’t save that person from being a racist or bigot to their own race.

here is the thread

http://pub45.ezboard.com/fmindkandysinterracialdebateandrelationsfrm58.show Message?topicID=8.topic




“You must have never heard Malcolm X, Min. Farrakhan, or many other of our black activist, as they have chastised, repudiated and exposed the misguided actions of our people. And then on the other side of constructive criticism, is the so-called self-hatred, you referred to, whereas we criticize and demean each other, too much.”

First off, with all due respect brotha sun_ship, what does this have to do with anything I mentioned? Who said Malcolm X was a bigot and who claimed he never chastized blacks for their faults? I actually admire Malcolm X.

I’m basically talking about simple everyday individual and personal experiences I’ve had with blacks who were in this particular instance what I would label “soft-bigots.” For example, when a black girl makes generalizations like “white girls are hoes.” Or when a black claims to hate whites. i really believe that most people are bigoted at times, and even worst, a lot of them don't even realize it when they are.Seems like it's almost a natural thing.


peace

I think racism is a social construct of white supremacy as others have mentioned before. Again as someone else has mentioned, there is no place on this earth, where blacks can utilize/manifest their full potential for the betterment of black people as a whole. No where, I say. But there's a difference between racism and prejudice, anybody can be prejudiced, and most of us are, whatever our nationality/race. But do I as a black person, have global social structure in place behind me, to control your access to the most basic resources? Nope. So I don't believe we can be racist. But just the question proves how much whites control discourse on anything having to do with race. People of color and particularly, black people simply react to whatever conversations they are willing to broach. And if we do bring it up, they will inevitably maneuver it into their favor by either diverting attention from their own crimes or turning themselves into the victim instead of the transgressor. I'm like why bother. White people don't want to hear the truth. It's like cryptonite for them.

It has been said that only those who are in positions of control & power are the only people capable of racism.

Racism in a sense is the oppression of people simply because of their race.

Anyone with the monetary means can be racist, 4 instance a black business owner who refuses 2 employ anyone not black, is racist because he is keeping someone from progressing simply because of their race.

White AmeriKKKa has been repeatedly called racist because the history shared between the races is one of oppression & destruction.

Now being prejudiced is definitely within our emotional grasp, because anyone can pre-judge anyone, prejudism doesn't hold people back, except in their abilities 2 be open-minded.

If there is expressed hatred towards a person because of his or her skin color, it's racism. Period.

Someone I knew assaulted a white man simply because he saw the white man on the street and just wanted to hurt him based on his skin color. These things were brought out in court and for the longest time, this person had such rage towards white people that it was scary. He also had a strong dislike for me because of my association with white people, basically the fact that I worked with predominantly groups of white people.

I've heard him express his hatred for white people. Everything he suffered was blamed on the white people. He used to brag about how he and others would assault white guys "just for fun".

Dwelling on past things cripple us. Even though our ancestors suffered slavery, we blacks today act as though we are the ONLY people who suffered. Look at the Jews during the Holocaust! All because of one evil man, millions of them were slaughtered.

Look at how the native Americans suffered! We are NOT the only race to have suffered, but we act as though nobody else has.

As a Christian, I cannot be bearing hatred towards people. And yet I got to admit that I suffered more at the hands of my own race.

There is no excuse for anyone to hate because of race. Yet, I realize that we live in a wicked world. One day in His Timing, not ours, God will eliminate evil. And believe me, it will be "payback" time for those who have hurt others.

My white friends are NOT responsible for what their ancestors have done.

Another thing I've noticed: we need to stop blaming others for our failures in life. The person I mentioned above had experienced some success early in his 20s. But he chose to go another way, the way of hatred and strife. And the rage he had for white folks had gotten out of control. His general conversation was all about hating them and to be honest, I began to avoid him.

I cannot claim to love God and hate my brother or sister. My brother or sister is those who are true Christians, and there's no division of race here.

Segregation will not take place in heaven. Some white folks think that, but they are in for a rude awakening. If they have that attitude, they cannot be a part of God's kingdom. Hell will not discriminate because of race, social status, etc. Those who reject God will be there.

I love people in general. I do NOT like their ways.

I was watching a documentary about the Holocaust today and it made me angry. And to be honest, for a long time, I viewed Germans as evil people. I did not like Germans because of what they did. Not only did they harm the Jews, but anyone else who didn't measure up to their standards or were like them in skin color, they killed. They killed gypsies, homosexuals, and people of other faiths (such as Jehovah's Witnesses and perhaps Muslims).

I sensed that a German woman years ago knew how I felt about Germans because of Hitler.

But I had to rid myself of the hatred. The Germans were under the evil influence of one evil person. It's amazing how one person can wield so much power and influence others.

I do not wish to view the pictures of lynching and won't be watching the footage of the Holocaust anymore because I can see myself getting angry and this does not meet God's approval.

If there is expressed hatred towards a person because of his or her skin color, it's racism. Period.

Someone I knew assaulted a white man simply because he saw the white man on the street and just wanted to hurt him based on his skin color. These things were brought out in court and for the longest time, this person had such rage towards white people that it was scary. He also had a strong dislike for me because of my association with white people, basically the fact that I worked with predominantly groups of white people.

I've heard him express his hatred for white people. Everything he suffered was blamed on the white people. He used to brag about how he and others would assault white guys "just for fun".

Dwelling on past things cripple us. Even though our ancestors suffered slavery, we blacks today act as though we are the ONLY people who suffered. Look at the Jews during the Holocaust! All because of one evil man, millions of them were slaughtered.

Look at how the native Americans suffered! We are NOT the only race to have suffered, but we act as though nobody else has.

As a Christian, I cannot be bearing hatred towards people. And yet I got to admit that I suffered more at the hands of my own race.

There is no excuse for anyone to hate because of race. Yet, I realize that we live in a wicked world. One day in His Timing, not ours, God will eliminate evil. And believe me, it will be "payback" time for those who have hurt others.

My white friends are NOT responsible for what their ancestors have done.

Another thing I've noticed: we need to stop blaming others for our failures in life. The person I mentioned above had experienced some success early in his 20s. But he chose to go another way, the way of hatred and strife. And the rage he had for white folks had gotten out of control. His general conversation was all about hating them and to be honest, I began to avoid him.

I cannot claim to love God and hate my brother or sister. My brother or sister is those who are true Christians, and there's no division of race here.

Segregation will not take place in heaven. Some white folks think that, but they are in for a rude awakening. If they have that attitude, they cannot be a part of God's kingdom. Hell will not discriminate because of race, social status, etc. Those who reject God will be there.

I love people in general. I do NOT like their ways.

I was watching a documentary about the Holocaust today and it made me angry. And to be honest, for a long time, I viewed Germans as evil people. I did not like Germans because of what they did. Not only did they harm the Jews, but anyone else who didn't measure up to their standards or were like them in skin color, they killed. They killed gypsies, homosexuals, and people of other faiths (such as Jehovah's Witnesses and perhaps Muslims).

I sensed that a German woman years ago knew how I felt about Germans because of Hitler.

But I had to rid myself of the hatred. The Germans were under the evil influence of one evil person. It's amazing how one person can wield so much power and influence others.

I do not wish to view the pictures of lynching and won't be watching the footage of the Holocaust anymore because I can see myself getting angry and this does not meet God's approval.

While I appreciate your discipline and fortitude in wanting to act in a way that the Creator of your understanding deems appropriate, Imho, seeking truth and justice is also apart of what Jesus on earth sought. Wasn't it he who railed against those in power who were unjust? Man over the millenia has done some profane, inhumane things in the name of the Lord. While I don't blame the Creator for the actions of man...we are his creations, now, aren't we? So either this is Hell as we know it, and all of us have been cast down here, or the events that have unfolded in history are a part of a greater plan. Either way, I don't blame black people for developing animosity for the white collective...their global historical actions against ALL PEOPLE of COLOR, not just black people, are part of a long, long pattern of behavior. I don't see it as hatred, I see it as common sense. Or if it is hatred, it's not primary, it's reactionary. White people's seemingly visceral hatred/fear of people of color, does seem to be primary tho. I think that should be focused on moreso than our JUSTIFIED reaction to their behavior. I'm not a psychiatrist, but I really believe it points to some type of psychoses. As an example, If someone on a personal level abuses you for umpteen years, you tend to be very leery of that person, if you are a thinking, average person. Well, think about what has happened to us as a people globally & you have the same situation...No, not all whites personally have transgressed against every person of color, but what have most of them done to thwart the system or create a system that is truly egalitarian?: Uh...brutalized or killed the messenger(s), painted themselves as the victim or misunderstood, lied with a straight face about the existence of white supremacy, feigned ignorance or ignored the issue altogether...John Brown in my opinion, was the epitome of a truly Godly white man. He LIVED what he professed to believe, and he was willing to kill and die for it. (which is the example that Jesus gave). All whites to some extent ( some more than others), benefit from white supremacy, whether they realize/admit it or not, so they will continue to be like Nazi-era Germans, feigning ignorance, looking the other way, while those deemed "other" are oppressed, mistreated, brutalized and so on. Unfortunately, I believe if the shoe were on the other foot, we would do the same. That's truth. It aint pretty, but truth usually isn't. Just my 1/2 a cent.