Osama bin Ladin has issued a message to the American people, broadcast on Saturday on Aljazeera television. A full and exclusive translation follows:

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"Oppression will only go against the oppressors.

"This is a message from Usama bin Muhammad bin Ladin to the American people regarding your aggression in Iraq. Peace be upon those who follow the righteous path.

"Some have the impression that you are a reasonable people. But the majority of you are vulgar and without sound ethics or good manners. You elect the evil from among you, the greatest liars and the least decent and you are enslaved by your richest and the most influential among you, especially the Jews, who lead you using the lie of democracy to support the Israelis and their schemes and in complete antagonism towards our religion (Islam).

"These schemes are paid for in our blood and land, and your blood and economy.

"This has been proved by recent events. And the war on Iraq, which has nothing to do with you, is proof of that.

"Bush and his gang, with their heavy sticks and hard hearts, are an evil to all humankind. They have stabbed into the truth, until they have killed it altogether in the eyes of the world.

"With this behaviour they have encouraged hypocrisy, and spread vice and political bribes shamelessly at the level of heads of state.

Blood

"This gang and their leader enjoy lying, war and looting to serve their own ambitions. The blood of the children of Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq is still dripping from their teeth. They have fooled you and deceived you into invading Iraq a second time. And they have lied to you and the whole world.

"Thanks be to God Almighty who has exposed the lies of George Bush and made his term as president a term of continual catastrophe"

Usama bin Ladin
"Nations are nothing without ethics and morals. If these are gone, the nations are gone.

Bush has sent your sons into the lion’s den, to slaughter and be slaughtered, claiming that this act was in defence of international peace and America’s security, thus concealing the facts.

"On one hand he (Bush) is carrying out the demands of the Zionist lobby that helped him to enter the White House. These demands are to destroy the military strength of Iraq because it is too close to the Jews in occupied Palestine, regardless of the harm that will happen to your people and your economy.

"On the other hand, he (Bush) is concealing his own ambitions and the ambitions of the Zionist lobby and their own desire for oil. He is still following the mentality of his ancestors who killed the Native Americans to take their land and wealth. He thought that this time it would be an easy task and a lie that would not be exposed.

Profit into loss

"But God sent him to Baghdad, the seat of the Caliphate, the homeland of people who prefer death to honey. So they (the Iraqis) turned his profits into losses, his joy into sadness and now he is merely looking for a way back home.

"Thanks be to God Almighty who has exposed the lies of George Bush and made his term as president a term of continual catastrophe.

"To Bush I say, you are begging the world to come to your aid, begging mercenaries from every corner of the world, even from small states. This begging has destroyed your pride and revealed how trivial and weak you are after claiming to defend the whole world.

"Now you are like the knight who was trying to protect people from the Sword of Malik, and ended up begging someone to protect him.

"We reserve the right to retaliate at the appropriate time and place against all countries involved, especially the UK, Spain, Australia, Poland, Japan and Italy, not to exclude those Muslim states that took part, especially the Gulf states, and in particular Kuwait, which has become a beachhead for the crusading forces.

Folly

"I say to the American people we will continue to fight you and continue to conduct martyrdom operations inside and outside the United States"

Usama bin Ladin
"And to the American soldiers in Iraq I say, now that all the lies have been exposed and the greatest liar has been revealed, your stay on Iraq’s land is compounding the oppression and is a great folly.

"It shows you are selling your lives for the lives of others. And you are spilling your blood to swell the bank accounts of the White House gang and their fellow arms dealers and the proprietors of great companies. And the greatest folly in life is to sell your life for the lives of others.

"In conclusion, I say to the American people we will continue to fight you and continue to conduct martyrdom operations inside and outside the United States until you depart from your oppressive course and abandon your follies and rein in your fools.

"You have to know that we are counting our dead, may God bless them, especially in Palestine, who are killed by your allies the Jews. We are going to take revenge for them from your blood, God willing, as we did on the day of New York. Remember what I said to you on that day about our security and your security. Baghdad the seat of the Caliphate, will not fall to you, God willing, and we will fight you as long as we carry our guns. And if we fall, our sons will take our place.

"And may our mothers become childless if we leave any of you alive on our soil."

Now that is "gangsta". And if he pulls off one more major attack like Sept 11th you should know that our economy cant handle it and we WILL go into a worldwide version of the 1930s style depression, especially since the entire world market is tied into our economy.

That really is gangsta.

The CIA are responsible for Osama Bin Laden....you reap what you sow, the sad thing to me is that those who reap are necessarily the ones who did the sowing.

No, the sowers are tucked away on their island retreats playing golf, stuffing their pasty faces with food that could have been put to better use.. making plans towards financing and engineering what they refer to as population control...some call it AIDS, I'm sure it will afforded other names in the future.

Here's another of his speeches:

The following is the text of Osama bin Laden's statement aired on Qatari al-Jazeerah Satellite TV after the beginning of US-led air strikes against Afghanistan:


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I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammad is his messenger.

There is America, hit by God in one of its softest spots. Its greatest buildings were destroyed, thank God for that. There is America, full of fear from its north to its south, from its west to its east. Thank God for that.

What America is tasting now is something insignificant compared to what we have tasted for scores of years. Our nation (the Islamic world) has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for more than 80 years. Its sons are killed, its blood is shed, its sanctuaries are attacked, and no one hears and no one heeds.

When God blessed one of the groups of Islam, vanguards of Islam, they destroyed America. I pray to God to elevate their status and bless them.

Millions of innocent children are being killed as I speak. They are being killed in Iraq without committing any sins, and we don't hear condemnation or a fatwa (religious decree) from the rulers. In these days, Israeli tanks infest Palestine - in Jenin, Ramallah, Rafah, Beit Jalla, and other places in the land of Islam, and we don't hear anyone raising his voice or moving a limb.

When the sword comes down (on America), after 80 years, hypocrisy rears its ugly head. They deplore and they lament for those killers, who have abused the blood, honor and sanctuaries of Muslims. The least that can be said about those people is that they are debauched. They have followed injustice. They supported the butcher over the victim, the oppressor over the innocent child. May God show them His wrath and give them what they deserve.

I say that the situation is clear and obvious. After this event, after the senior officials have spoken in America, starting with the head of infidels worldwide, Bush, and those with him. They have come out in force with their men and have turned even the countries that belong to Islam to this treachery, and they want to wag their tail at God, to fight Islam, to suppress people in the name of terrorism.

When people at the ends of the earth, Japan, were killed by their hundreds of thousands, young and old, it was not considered a war crime, it is something that has justification. Millions of children in Iraq is something that has justification. But when they lose dozens of people in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam (capitals of Kenya and Tanzania, where U.S. embassies were bombed in 1998), Iraq was struck and Afghanistan was struck. Hypocrisy stood in force behind the head of infidels worldwide, behind the cowards of this age, America and those who are with it.

These events have divided the whole world into two sides. The side of believers and the side of infidels, may God keep you away from them. Every Muslim has to rush to make his religion victorious. The winds of faith have come. The winds of change have come to eradicate oppression from the island of Muhammad, peace be upon him.

To America, I say only a few words to it and its people. I swear by God, who has elevated the skies without pillars, neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it in Palestine, and not before all the infidel armies leave the land of Muhammad, peace be upon him.

God is great, may pride be with Islam. May peace and God's mercy be upon you.

Aired Sunday on Qatari al-Jazeerah Satellite TV - October 7, 2001.

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Another reason for blacks in America to seriously consider leaving a country that has historically treated [and still treats them] like so much trash.
Africans have no quarrel with him, his is with whites....but the longer we remain among whites, the more likely it is we will and we've got enough on our plater as it is.

Then again there's fighting going on in parts of africa involving islamic fundamentalists so I guess wherever the white man lays his hat [or stick his greasy nose in], there'll be trouble.

I have an article lying around about how the CIA created Osama....when I find it, I'll post it.


Peace!

Why do yall so easily believe that America is
under attack? Especially conscious African people
talking about sept 11th, when will you stop
buying the stuff that America puts on your
plate?
Or is the truth (Sept 11 th was home made)too
much for you all to accept? :confused:
Maybe accepting that is accepting that the new
world order has already been employed by using
this fear of this crazy invisible muslim guy in a cave and his crazy flick knifemen.
I refuse to debate this anymore because of the
new world order heat (Hello,monitoring our every move we aint free anymore

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IP: 172.187.212.48
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but i'll say this

I hope you all sleep long deep and tight but
when yall turn over in your DREAM i'll be there
with the truth.

My God they still dont get it.
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You think I'm asleep?!

Well that's understandable since upon reading what I said, it appears I wasnt clear, wrong choices of words.

When I said his fight is with 'whites', I meant his fight is with those in and behind the goverment who he bares a grudge against...and let's face it, you know they're white.

I think I've made it clear my opinion of the US and of sept 11th....the CIA was involved yes but they're not the CIA because they're stupid enough to directly organise it or even employ the use of proxies....not on US soil.

You have to read up on the history and mechanics behind the soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989 to realise that Osama IS angry at the US but not because of Islam....its the same old story...greed.

Because of the US, Osama was disowned by his family who only has several billion in the bank and he additionally lost assets in Saudi Arabia because of the US.

The CIA knew about the attacks because it was informed by the French Secret Service [as if the FSS needed to inform them anyway....they knew all along] and those high up tried to profit from that foreknowledge through the buying up of stock option contracts for United Airline, Morgan Stanley and Merril Lynch .

So when I say they organised sept 11th that they did....but by goading him, they angered him by doing exactl what they knew would incite him to attack.

Then when they received confirmation that he would, they bought stock [even with the monies to be made from all of this they still wanted extra....and they'll get it too...people will just be paid off and they'll say noone claimed the profits...and the american public, for the most part has a short memory] and began espousing their already prepared terrorist story.

Greed is insatiable.

Go here to read about that:

http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/9-11/CIA-WTC.html

The whole things is an ingenius plan that they've had this all planned since Ronald Reagan's time when the US used them [and people like them] to fight the organizations that fought the US backed apartheid regime in South Africa.

Reagan called them..well here's what he said:

“Throughout the world ... its agents, client states and satellites are on the defensive — on the moral defensive, the intellectual defensive, and the political and economic defensive. Freedom movements arise and assert themselves. They're doing so on almost every continent populated by man — in the hills of Afghanistan, in Angola, in Kampuchea, in Central America ... [They are] freedom fighters.”

They use him to get rid of the soviets.....then they piss him off so that he'll attack the US.

Then use that to secure US oil interests so that they can continue to finance such activities as research into 'population contro'l [I prefer the term, genocide, it rolls of the tongue easier.

[b]If you wish to conduct offensive war, you must know the men employed by the enemy

Sun Tzu

The US have employed a variation of that offensive strategy.
Make an allie, study him, then use what you know of him to make him an enemy but an enemy on your own terms.


Wake up and realise that this does involve him but it's not about a difference in religious/spiritual ideology or suffering....it is abut pride and greed, it's about a falling out of old business partners.

Hence why I said, Africans should get the ehck out of there because white people are their own and everyone elses worst enemy.

They end up getting hurt for something they had absolutely nothing to do with.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/465/465p15.htm

How the CIA created Osama bin Laden

BY NORM DIXON

“Throughout the world ... its agents, client states and satellites are on the defensive — on the moral defensive, the intellectual defensive, and the political and economic defensive. Freedom movements arise and assert themselves. They're doing so on almost every continent populated by man — in the hills of Afghanistan, in Angola, in Kampuchea, in Central America ... [They are] freedom fighters.”
Is this a call to jihad (holy war) taken from one of Islamic fundamentalist Osama bin Laden's notorious fatwas? Or perhaps a communique issued by the repressive Taliban regime in Kabul?
In fact, this glowing praise of the murderous exploits of today's supporters of arch-terrorist bin Laden and his Taliban collaborators, and their holy war against the “evil empire”, was issued by US President Ronald Reagan on March 8, 1985. The “evil empire” was the Soviet Union, as well as Third World movements fighting US-backed colonialism, apartheid and dictatorship.
How things change. In the aftermath of a series of terrorist atrocities — the most despicable being the mass murder of more than 6000 working people in New York and Washington on September 11 — bin Laden the “freedom fighter” is now lambasted by US leaders and the Western mass media as a “terrorist mastermind” and an “evil-doer”.
Yet the US government refuses to admit its central role in creating the vicious movement that spawned bin Laden, the Taliban and Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that plague Algeria and Egypt — and perhaps the disaster that befell New York.
The mass media has also downplayed the origins of bin Laden and his toxic brand of Islamic fundamentalism.
Mujaheddin
In April 1978, the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) seized power in Afghanistan in reaction to a crackdown against the party by that country's repressive government.
The PDPA was committed to a radical land reform that favoured the peasants, trade union rights, an expansion of education and social services, equality for women and the separation of church and state. The PDPA also supported strengthening Afghanistan's relationship with the Soviet Union.
Such policies enraged the wealthy semi-feudal landlords, the Muslim religious establishment (many mullahs were also big landlords) and the tribal chiefs. They immediately began organising resistance to the government's progressive policies, under the guise of defending Islam.
Washington, fearing the spread of Soviet influence (and worse the new government's radical example) to its allies in Pakistan, Iran and the Gulf states, immediately offered support to the Afghan mujaheddin, as the “contra” force was known.
Following an internal PDPA power struggle in December 1979 which toppled Afghanistan's leader, thousands of Soviet troops entered the country to prevent the new government's fall. This only galvanised the disparate fundamentalist factions. Their reactionary jihad now gained legitimacy as a “national liberation” struggle in the eyes of many Afghans.
The Soviet Union was eventually to withdraw from Afghanistan in 1989 and the mujaheddin captured the capital, Kabul, in 1992.
Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$6 billion (some estimates range as high as $20 billion) worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.
Washington's policy in Afghanistan was shaped by US President Jimmy Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and was continued by his successors. His plan went far beyond simply forcing Soviet troops to withdraw; rather it aimed to foster an international movement to spread Islamic fanaticism into the Muslim Central Asian Soviet republics to destabilise the Soviet Union.
Brzezinski's grand plan coincided with Pakistan military dictator General Zia ul-Haq's own ambitions to dominate the region. US-run Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe beamed Islamic fundamentalist tirades across Central Asia (while paradoxically denouncing the “Islamic revolution” that toppled the pro-US Shah of Iran in 1979).
Washington's favoured mujaheddin faction was one of the most extreme, led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The West's distaste for terrorism did not apply to this unsavoury “freedom fighter”. Hekmatyar was notorious in the 1970s for throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil.
After the mujaheddin took Kabul in 1992, Hekmatyar's forces rained US-supplied missiles and rockets on that city — killing at least 2000 civilians — until the new government agreed to give him the post of prime minister. Osama bin Laden was a close associate of Hekmatyar and his faction.
Hekmatyar was also infamous for his side trade in the cultivation and trafficking in opium. Backing of the mujaheddin from the CIA coincided with a boom in the drug business. Within two years, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border was the world's single largest source of heroin, supplying 60% of US drug users.
In 1995, the former director of the CIA's operation in Afghanistan was unrepentant about the explosion in the flow of drugs: “Our main mission was to do as much damage as possible to the Soviets... There was a fallout in terms of drugs, yes. But the main objective was accomplished. The Soviets left Afghanistan.”
Made in the USA
According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).
John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American “black Muslims” were taught “sabotage skills”.
The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained “bin Laden's operatives” in 1989.
These “operatives” were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar's forces. Mohammed was a member of the US army's elite Green Berets.
The program, reported the Independent, was part of a Washington-approved plan called “Operation Cyclone”.
In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar (Office of Services — MAK).
MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK.
Among those trained by Mohammed were El Sayyid Nosair, who was jailed in 1995 for killing Israeli rightist Rabbi Meir Kahane and plotting with others to bomb New York landmarks, including the World Trade Center in 1993.
The Independent also suggested that Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, was also part of Operation Cyclone. He entered the US in 1990 with the CIA's approval. A confidential CIA report concluded that the agency was “partly culpable” for the 1993 World Trade Center blast, the Independent reported.
Bin Laden
Osama bin Laden, one of 20 sons of a billionaire construction magnate, arrived in Afghanistan to join the jihad in 1980. An austere religious fanatic and business tycoon, bin Laden specialised in recruiting, financing and training the estimated 35,000 non-Afghan mercenaries who joined the mujaheddin.
The bin Laden family is a prominent pillar of the Saudi Arabian ruling class, with close personal, financial and political ties to that country's pro-US royal family.
Bin Laden senior was appointed Saudi Arabia's minister of public works as a favour by King Faisal. The new minister awarded his own construction companies lucrative contracts to rebuild Islam's holiest mosques in Mecca and Medina. In the process, the bin Laden family company in 1966 became the world's largest private construction company.
Osama bin Laden's father died in 1968. Until 1994, he had access to the dividends from this ill-gotten business empire.
(Bin Laden junior's oft-quoted personal fortune of US$200-300 million has been arrived at by the US State Department by dividing today's value of the bin Laden family net worth — estimated to be US$5 billion — by the number of bin Laden senior's sons. A fact rarely mentioned is that in 1994 the bin Laden family disowned Osama and took control of his share.)
Osama's military and business adventures in Afghanistan had the blessing of the bin Laden dynasty and the reactionary Saudi Arabian regime. His close working relationship with MAK also meant that the CIA was fully aware of his activities.
Milt Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, admitted to the January 24, 2000, New Yorker that while he never personally met bin Laden, “Did I know that he was out there? Yes, I did ... [Guys like] bin Laden were bringing $20-$25 million a month from other Saudis and Gulf Arabs to underwrite the war. And that is a lot of money. It's an extra $200-$300 million a year. And this is what bin Laden did.”
In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built “training camps”, some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.
These camps, now dubbed “terrorist universities” by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.
Tom Carew, a former British SAS soldier who secretly fought for the mujaheddin told the August 13, 2000, British Observer, “The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.”
Al Qaeda (the Base), bin Laden's organisation, was established in 1987-88 to run the camps and other business enterprises. It is a tightly-run capitalist holding company — albeit one that integrates the operations of a mercenary force and related logistical services with “legitimate” business operations.
Bin Laden has simply continued to do the job he was asked to do in Afghanistan during the 1980s — fund, feed and train mercenaries. All that has changed is his primary customer. Then it was the ISI and, behind the scenes, the CIA. Today, his services are utilised primarily by the reactionary Taliban regime.
Bin Laden only became a “terrorist” in US eyes when he fell out with the Saudi royal family over its decision to allow more than 540,000 US troops to be stationed on Saudi soil following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
When thousands of US troops remained in Saudi Arabia after the end of the Gulf War, bin Laden's anger turned to outright opposition. He declared that Saudi Arabia and other regimes — such as Egypt — in the Middle East were puppets of the US, just as the PDPA government of Afghanistan had been a puppet of the Soviet Union.
He called for the overthrow of these client regimes and declared it the duty of all Muslims to drive the US out of the Gulf states. In 1994, he was stripped of his Saudi citizenship and forced to leave the country. His assets there were frozen.
After a period in Sudan, he returned to Afghanistan in May 1996. He refurbished the camps he had helped build during the Afghan war and offered the facilities and services — and thousands of his mercenaries — to the Taliban, which took power that September.
Today, bin Laden's private army of non-Afghan religious fanatics is a key prop of the Taliban regime.
Prior to the devastating September 11 attack on the twin towers of World Trade Center, US ruling-class figures remained unrepentant about the consequences of their dirty deals with the likes of bin Laden, Hekmatyar and the Taliban. Since the awful attack, they have been downright hypocritical.
In an August 28, 1998, report posted on MSNBC, Michael Moran quotes Senator Orrin Hatch, who was a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee which approved US dealings with the mujaheddin, as saying he would make “the same call again”, even knowing what bin Laden would become.
“It was worth it. Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union.”
Hatch today is one of the most gung-ho voices demanding military retaliation.
Another face that has appeared repeatedly on television screens since the attack has been Vincent Cannistrano, described as a former CIA chief of “counter-terrorism operations”.
Cannistrano is certainly an expert on terrorists like bin Laden, because he directed their “work”. He was in charge of the CIA-backed Nicaraguan contras during the early 1980s. In 1984, he became the supervisor of covert aid to the Afghan mujaheddin for the US National Security Council.
The last word goes to Zbigniew Brzezinski: “What was more important in the world view of history? The Taliban or the fall of the Soviet Empire? A few stirred up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?”





Peace!

Yeah man!
Oh David Ikes got a new book out called
9 11



Thanks bro.







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Ok thanks for that brother,

Peace......

Very Heavy discourse!

There's a lot in the first post (Usama's latest comments) that makes much sense!

Where can one go to escape the effects of US imperialism? really nowhere! Our job as US voters is to organize and get this B*tch out of office.

why do find it so hard to believe that someone can attack America? You arent actually operating under the assumption that everything they do is neatly organized and planned are you? "This" is one of our greatest stumbling blocks, perhaps the greatest urban legend yet.

The American gov't is organized. But they arent as precise as you would believe. They dont plan your every move, just some.

America has been the victim of "terrorism" for many years. In fact several dozen terrorists acts are carried out successfully every year since the 80s.

Instead of trying to convince us that Bush did it, Osama didnt do it, Osama doesnt exist, Osama works for Bush or whatever else. Lets face the facts - its possible and many are doing it everyday.

I personally consider it a day of celebration when some strikes on our behalf. Its not like "Hesaid" is out there banging for the people, now is it?

:flamet:

Everyone is entitled to what they believe brother.

Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance according to Albert Einstein and I happen to agree with him.

Whatever the logistics behind september the 11th, it is clear, from the evidence, from numerous sources, sources both in opposition to the US and for them [although the latter will not admit it directly, but merely imply that this is very possibly the case] that the CIA was involved.

But, like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Personally, if the powers that be in the U.S told me my name is Uzoka, I'd go check my birth certificate, just to be sure.

Peace :hot:

Everyone is entitled to what they believe brother but what I believe is based on facts and not personal opinion.

Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance according to Albert Einstein and I happen to agree with him.

Whatever the logistics behind the horror of September 11th, it is clear, from the evidence, from numerous sources, sources that are both opposed to the US and in favour of it [althought the latter will not admit it, just imply] that the CIA, on some level, was involved.

But, like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Peace :hot:

Upon reading again what I said in my last post on this thread, it occured to me that my post to you, Ifalsehun, may have been perceived as rude and verging on the aggresive [well I perceived it that way at any rate].

Apologies if any offence was taken brother, that was far from my intent.
I only meant to say that it is the strong belief of many [including myself, based on evidence so far] that some people within the US government had foreknowlegde of the attacks and the U.S does not have the cleanest record where transparency or good, morally correct governmental conduct [foreign or domestic] is concerned do they :)

This, so as to create for themselves, a pretext to go and steal oil.

But that at the end of the day, it is up to you what you choose to believe.


Peace....

oh good god/spirits! What the hell are we going to do?? It's not like he's wrong about Bush- but how can people still feel this way about races, (and women), and not see the damage that they are doing. Look, we are all good people who take others as we meet them, we need to group together and tell the world that racism,sexism and violence are WRONG!! It seems like it's that one,obvious fact that always gets ignored!

Peace Eh Leedham,

I doubt anything would change.

Blacks have been telling the world racism is wrong, women have been telling the world sexism is wrong for how long?

Longer than it should take an intelligent well meaning, good hearted human being to realise that they are right!
Make no mistake, there is no 'mis-understanding' of any sort either between the races or in the minds of people who inflict upon others, pain and suffering, for no other reason than the fact that they engineered things so that they could and can continue to do so.

The reasons for racism and sexism is purely and simply, greed and power.
The European elite [and some elements of the European originated people to whom the elite refer to as 'cattle'] have long since discarded any moral responsibility and therefore any emotions experienced as a result of having been [and of still being] responsible for the deaths and suffering of too many to count.

They regard morality and emotion as a weaknes and thus rationalise everything
and after World War II when the European elites saw their feudal power beginning to slip from their grasp they took their externalised world view to the European bourgeoisie and then eventually to the masses [which IMO they are still in the process of doing] ie, look how they proudly paraded the alledged bodies of Saddam Hussein's two sons for all the West to see and rationalized that it was for the good of the world and the fight against terrorism and therefore, evil].

Everything they say in favour of goodness, morality, right conduct etc, is to justify/rationalize their need to control you.

Marimba Ani's book, 'Yurugu', is an excellent book in helping you to understand the origins of the European's lust for power and control, and why he is totally devoid of any conscience or feeling of responsibility in the crimes he has commited in the name of power and control.

This is why I keep saying they'll never change, it's too late, their culture is the way it is and has been in the making since [according to Marimba] Plato's time.
They are the way they are and no amount of pleading or appealing will change that fact.

Yes, there are some who don't think that way but unfortunately, they are not, and never will be in a position to change things.
Anyone who does happen to find themselves in a position to change things and actually goes about trying to do so, will find themselves [as history has shown time and again] targeted for elimination.

The only way to fight the European and bring about real change, is to distance yourself from them and do your own thing.
We are blessed with rightful ownership of 'the Jewel in the Crown', Africa with all her wealth.

Therein, IMO, lies the answer.
Then you have African-Americans with their 400 billion a year spending money, and blacks in other parts of the world????

What the heck are we doing spending our money with people who , for the most part, look at us as if we just came in smeared to the soles of their shoes on a rainy day?

We've got it all, numbers, mineral wealth, brains, talent, know-how, guts, strength, creativity...we're just missing mass unity and focus.


Peace...

I just wanna know who is afraid of this man anymore. He is sitting up in a cave smelling his own s*** and making threats. This is ridiculous. I might go over there and grip his a** up myself. Who’s wit me? All you need is a map, a 45, and a steak knife. Now that’s what I call homeland security.