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Communalism is the root of socialism

kuumba chi nia
08-05-2003, 06:56 PM
Revolutionary Greetings Comrades,

What's up The Talking Drum point Com? How ya'll living? In living color:x: :x: Well, we would like to say a few words about Communalism, Communism and Socialism. Of course they are all packing plenty of politics and pontificating passages against poverty, but what is the real meaning of it all, if not from time to time we can come and have a ball?

Communalism best represents the traditional values of African society. Therein lies, collectivism, egalitarianism, humanism, dialectical materialism and categorical conversion. Is the brotha serious or what? Kuumba Chi Nia are you pulling our legs on this forum? No!

Communalism in practice meant in one respect that the land was for collective usage and collective economic, political and social advancement. The land was not be negoitated or given to any foreigner. Communalism at this point secured collectivism and packaged it so that we all could benefit. The elders and women were the guiding lights under communalism and they saw to it that Karim stayed in school, respected his parents, knew the value of an honest days work and contributed to society. That Nehanda stayed in school respected her parents, knew the value of an honest days work and contributed to society.

Communalism was an economic powerhouse, not to be under estimated by fuedal Africa. Therefore, Communalism banishes the individual and the ego treated all as a means to an ends and not simple a means. We are now talking about egalitarianism. Everyone would be respected and had equal rights under the law.

Humanism means that everything that we did under Communalism was for the advancement of humanity (African humanity). Humanism meant that we had to listen to the message that came from the messager and that we had to do what was economically, socially, and politically correct for the masses.

Africans, as we know we were the first scientists in earth. We understood the dialectical nature of the world. That is we understood the benefits, the good and the bad and differences in the seasons, plants, animal and primarily humans. This is why we came to reason that of all the economic and political systems we had passed through that Communalism at the time was the one for us and represented our creative collective genius.

We knew that. That means that our society underwent categorical conversion. We had changed our ways. We had moved from the Clan, all the way to the nation state and we were on our way to the party-state. That is we (Africa) would have converted our society into Socialism because of evolution. But we are not speaking of social-Darwinism. We are speaking of Africa's forward march asbents of Darwin dogma.

So where as some of us argue that Socialism or Communism is European ego-centric concoction, we have to be mindful of the prinicples of Socialism and Communism. Our confusion lies in individuals, individuals who may call themselves Socialists or Communists, but who in fact or Capitalists'-Imperialists' lackeys to the max.

We hope this has been helpful in the discussion of Communalism, Socialism and Communism. The last note on Communism is that of the three systems, Communalism, Socialism and Communism, Communism remains the only theory. It has not been practiced. That is because Communism is a higher stage (categorical conversion) of Socialism. Socialism has to put the means of production and resources so thoroughly in the masses hands, that when we make a fist, we send a punch filled with Communism. We have not made it to the arena yet.

In conclusion, we understand that there is much to learn. We don't know everything. But we do know that we are a creative and dedicated people. We all must agree that we want freedom from mental slavery, economic slavery, political slavery, social slavery and that we want Africa to freed and unified. If we can agree with that then if we don't agree with our anaylsis, we can at least agree to start from here, start from now on to build a mass Party that will deliver all our aspirations.

panafrica
08-05-2003, 09:00 PM
Very informative kuumba chi nia thank you for your post.

ifasehun
08-17-2003, 06:52 PM
how do you reconcile that communism and socialism are not african concepts - and that historically both have been closed to the very essence of african identity - Spirit.

You sound like an AAPRP member. right?

rymjack5
09-08-2003, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by kuumba chi nia


we understand that there is much to learn. We don't know everything. But we do know that we are a creative and dedicated people. We all must agree that we want freedom from mental slavery, economic slavery, political slavery, social slavery and that we want Africa to freed and unified. If we can agree with that then if we don't agree with our anaylsis, we can at least agree to start from here, start from now on to build a mass Party that will deliver all our aspirations.

I can agree with that.

NNQueen
12-20-2003, 10:28 AM
After posting in Pharoah Jah's thread about communalism, I surfed and found this one which partially answers some questions I asked there, but it also opened the door for new questions. This should not be an inactive thread because, as I read through it, it raises some points that could provide explanations for many of the issues that we discuss here and generate more substantive dialogue. Here are some points that I found most interesting in this thread.

Communalism--according to kuumba chi nia...

Communalism best represents the traditional values of African society. Therein lies, collectivism, egalitarianism, humanism, dialectical materialism and categorical conversion.

Communalism in practice meant in one respect that the land was for collective usage and collective economic, political and social advancement. The land was not be negoitated or given to any foreigner. Communalism at this point secured collectivism and packaged it so that we all could benefit.

Communalism was an economic powerhouse, not to be under estimated by fuedal Africa. Therefore, Communalism banishes the individual and the ego treated all as a means to an ends and not simple a means. We are now talking about egalitarianism. Everyone would be respected and had equal rights under the law.

Humanism means that everything that we did under Communalism was for the advancement of humanity (African humanity). Humanism meant that we had to listen to the message that came from the messager and that we had to do what was economically, socially, and politically correct for the masses.

Now, can someone answer ifasehun's question for me? kuumba chi nia believes that communism/socialism are not European ego-centric concoctions but that its roots are found in communalism. Does anyone agree or disagree?

As a spiritual people, is it our nature to be communal-oriented where we seemed to be most prosperous and tended to flourish? Because we seem attached to each other worldwide through our common roots, can capitalism benefit us as a people?

Peace!

ifasehun
12-23-2003, 05:18 PM
communism and socialism are not african concepts. they may share principles with african social systems, but they are not one and the same. its using white words to describe black reality.

most importanlty many socialists do not have an active spiritual lives. if you arent spiritual, then you arent african. if your organization doesnt recognize spirituality is a the root of african identity then it is NOT an african organization. maybe its african-american. or afro-american. but its not afrikan. its not afrocentric. its something else.

my time in aaprp was good. but i was disappointed that many of them are gnostics, atheists, lesbians, militartists etc etc. but few are spiritualists. Africa is about relationships with spirit - with God & Ancestors. anything short of that, is less than African.

Pharaoh Jahil
11-21-2004, 01:53 PM
Interesting Post...........

Pharaoh Jahil
11-21-2004, 02:14 PM
communism and socialism are not african concepts. they may share principles with african social systems, but they are not one and the same. its using white words to describe black reality.

most importanlty many socialists do not have an active spiritual lives. if you arent spiritual, then you arent african. if your organization doesnt recognize spirituality is a the root of african identity then it is NOT an african organization. maybe its african-american. or afro-american. but its not afrikan. its not afrocentric. its something else.

my time in aaprp was good. but i was disappointed that many of them are gnostics, atheists, lesbians, militartists etc etc. but few are spiritualists. Africa is about relationships with spirit - with God & Ancestors. anything short of that, is less than African.



Brother, the points that you bring up is what separates me as a Socialists from other Socialists. This is why I make it clear to people that I'm a African-Communal Socialist because I don't like being confused with these new-liberal socialists whose philosophy seem to be more on the side of anarchy. While I do give it up to people like Karl Marx, I cannot teach my people atheisim. That's not us because Afrikans are a spiritual people! We should be striving towards the Communal-Socialist system such as our ancestors did. I agree with kuumba's thread but I do see your points brother.

I use to actually think that Communism and Communalism was something totally different until I did some more research... Check out my thread on African Socialism

Sun Ship
11-21-2004, 07:10 PM
Now that we know that socialism and communism are probably bastardized political concepts loosely related to and possibly modeled indirectly from African communal societal ideology, let us now focus on the practical and applicable knowledge of African communal life as it can be applied to and how it can positively alter, modern African “American” social issues and lifestyles.


:time: is running out

Ashe

Brother Sun Ship

Moo moo
11-29-2004, 07:53 AM
a sensible answer, Sunship... one of the best I've read so far in this forum very short and to the point... another Socialist right here...

Moo moo
12-01-2004, 10:36 PM
This is why I make it clear to people that I'm a African-Communal Socialist because I don't like being confused with these new-liberal socialists whose philosophy seem to be more on the side of anarchy. While I do give it up to people like Karl Marx, I cannot teach my people atheisim. That's not us because Afrikans are a spiritual people!

You really need to go to Cuba and SEEEE and FEEEEL the spirit. Other wise, I don't know WHICH "new-liberal-socialists" you are referring to. There are none in this hemisphere unless they are from the U.S.

Abantu
12-09-2004, 02:51 AM
Cool initial thread! I am definitely a socialist. If being a socialist means favoring community, and humanism I am indeed a socialist. I would say more I am a radical socialist, one who is ultra libertarian against all autocratic, repressive and exploitative systems ( I oppose ALL forms of oppression including homophobia! ). Do you really believe that the individual character of the original African was "socialist" as I describe it? Human society has always been established based on class, so is it not too naive to believe that the original Africans lived in perfect communialism free of class struggle? For instance "slavery" existed in ancient Africa, therefore the aboriginal African societies weren't egalitarian.. Should we conclude "communialism," the higher form of socialism is just an ideal?

Abantu.

Pharaoh Jahil
12-10-2004, 02:23 PM
You really need to go to Cuba and SEEEE and FEEEEL the spirit. Other wise, I don't know WHICH "new-liberal-socialists" you are referring to. There are none in this hemisphere unless they are from the U.S.



Yes, I am referring to the ones here in the U.S and Canada. Hardcore Marxist-Leninists with no morality, somewhat color blind and is extremely athiestic in their approach to changing things.

$$RICH$$
12-10-2004, 06:38 PM
I fine this a good post to learn from and the differents of communalism

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