Black On Black Homicide

Some years ago black youth told me what they did to fight boredom: "We get our uzis, bulletproof vests, get in our cars and ride through the hood shootin *******." So we are worse than the KKK. I have a strange feeling if we make black on black homicide qualify as special circumstance hate crimes, making the person eligible for the death penalty, black on black homicide would subside. How much black on black homicide occurred when the black man was chattel property of the white man? Black on black homicide is allowed for population control and to continue the lucrative criminal justice system in which the black man becomes chattel property of the state, valued at $30,000 to $50,000.00 per inmate per year. Black on black homicide is thus good for the capitalist economy. Let one white man get murdered in the hood and the national guard will be called.

It is indeed hypocritical for the black community to march when white police kill a black, but do no marching for the nightly black on black homicides in the hood. Not only are revolutionaries and socalled leaftist radicals guilty as sin, but Muslims, Christians, democrats and republican blacks, also black social organizations, school teachers, tenured ******* and others.

--Marvin X

For more writings by Marvin X, go to www.nathanielturner.com, www.blackthinktank.com, www.marvinx.com.

In The Crazy House Called America, essays by Marvin X, Black Bird Press, 2002, $20.00, plus $5.00 for postage and handling. Black Bird Press: 3116 38th Ave., Suite 304, Oakland, Ca 94619.

Many years ago, Marvin X taught English, African American literature, journalism, creative writing, drama, technical writing at various colleges and universities, including: University of California, Berkeley and San Diego, San Francisco State University, University of Nevada, Reno and elsewhere.

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Ok. Just a quick question maybe an old question but why is it when black people kill each other its specially labeled "Black on Black" violence? However when whites kill eachother its not thought of as "White on White" violence instead its just called crime. Furthermore when other groups kill eachother for example Latinos, Chinese and Indians, I never hear the terms "Latino on Latino" violence or "Chinese on Chinese" violence being used. Why is there a special category made just for this type of crime? Isn't violence just violence? I don't understand why the term 'Black on Black"violence was engineered and is there a psychological, maybe even a political meaning or reason behind this terminology?

M-Brown raises a very good question; if I am to guess a reason; I would say that the majority in this country call it that because for so long we were the victims of crimes mainly against us; and it is used to bolster their claims that racism doesn't exist, that we are more violent to ourselves than any other, etc... It almost makes sense.

My Conspiracy-Theorist Alter-ego: I think that we should look at the asestos levels of the environments that some of our own criminals live within... it has been shown to make a person "mad."

Yes, Black men are mad... in many ways. But, I don't think that we have to march to get it done; we have to take back our kids, and our communities... and get them out of this "bling-bling-attude" that we all have a hand in perpetuating.

Nicely stated Happy69.

I was at Hollywood video store today, and was looking for a movie. I wanted some comedy. I enjoy black movies. There aren't many out there I consider quality. I found instead. Menace, Drive By, Menace to Society, Gangsta Party, and about every negative selection related to the crime and thinking of many Hip-Hop and Rap Artist gangster rap lyrics you hear today in songs. It's a market for the studio's and a shame on these no talent black men that have this need to be in a movie and make a few dollars.

Hollywood. Has us taped hard. We allow it. We rent it. We listen to the lyrics and most young males in the community try and live that sort of life. Some of these movies I know never made it to the theater. The film makers and video sales groups really enjoy the exploit.

Black on Black crime got it's name I think because it is accepted and aids this exploit.

My question is why are we allowing gun makers and the NRA to control our lives? Run our Congress? Our laws? Lawmakers have sold us all out. The defense is weak. Yes you may need a weapon for personal protection. But if registered. If all guns had their chambers scribed you can tell what weapon it came from. This would allow you to front the owner or previous owner. If the gun is stolen or sold the tracking may get harder, but the tracking could still take place. We might gain a foot hold on most of the random, and planned killings we have. Planned I say because I believe their is a element that needs this nonsense to continue.

What better way would a hate group exploit and get their results. Than to supply drugs and guns to simple minded fools bent on coming up.

Blacks don't do anything just for sport. Shooting each other isn't in-grained in our character that way. It is drug related, money related. Angry black men and boys. Mad at themselves and want to be heard.


If most of our problems are drug related. Then we should make sure our government close the southern borders to the Heroin and other drugs allowed to flood our streets. When the war on drugs become serious and not supported ( for the profit it makes ) for and by our officials in power.

Thing would change. The real change will also happen when black males are given constructive avenues other than standing on the streets. What we don't have much of as black men is a connection with the earth. Growing up, on a farm like I did. It gives you a grounding that is lacking today. Green houses would work. Grow flowers and cultivate them. Planting a fruit tree and tending to your garden would do the same thing. Just get your self connected to the ground. Even brothers that live inTennesee refuse to work their family farms. They run for the in thing. The hip hop, dance craze. Working harder to be accepted. Considered hip. Fraternities aren't teaching anything constructive. Athletes aren't worthy anymore.

Jail is looked on as badge of honor. All of their friends are there. When I was growing up I heard the boys in my hood bragging about their time spent in juvenile lockup.

Hodee has great points.

As for Black on Black homicide, no white person made some kid from the hood (a victim of institutionalized racism and oppression) pull the trigger on another Black youth. He did it himself and knew it was wrong.

And this "being hard" mentality only gives them a reason to pack the jails up with Black.

Maybe parents should start thinking about censorship in music and movies because to deny that they dont have influencing affects is a lie. Oh ,but I guess if the kid starts listening to Led Zeppelin instead of 50 (BS) Cent then all the kids'll make fun of him at school. And the Black community will call him a sellout and Uncle Tom because he doesn't listen to so-called Black Music.

JAY RIVER

WELCOME to DESTEE...

Glad your here.

Jay Rivers?

Trying to compare the "ill" effects of rap with the "ill" effects of acid rock...
Just c'mon out with your Agenda?
Your assertions are just stupid.
Again, I won't say it...but a A RadicalFarRight White Guy in here; playing the EVERYTHINGBLACKISBADCOMEINTOTHEWHITELIGHT
mantra...and telling his blackracistenablers, you poor poor soul, they saying you a tom, a sellout... (all your fake pacification will not change a thing, if a person is a coon, he is a coon---what kind of music, who he is screwing, etc...won't change that...after you have used them and discarded them--maybe then they will learn)
Hell, it was a crazy Black guy who started Rock (and I like some of it) and a crazier one who took it to acid--Jimi Hendrix...

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

Keep on playing that defacto only White is good game...while you doing that and letting people like Jay Rivers (yeah) pat you on the head and call you uncle...the world is still going to keep moving, and you will be left asking, "Why Boss?"

"BLACK-ON-BLACK" CRIME has been here since Amerikkka began.
It basically stems from slavery & is NOWADAYS ROOTED in LACK OF A STRUCTURED BLACK FOUNDED BLACK ECONOMY. Lack of BLACK ECONOMY = LACK OF BLACK OPPORTUNITY= INCREASED CRIME RATE within the BLACK COMMUNITY,because NOT EVERYBODY HAS JOB SKILLS & COLLEGE DEGREES which is the MAIN ways you are going to survive LEGALLY in the U.S.,so MANY resort to robbing,stealing,& unfortunately, KILLING THEIR OWN,BECAUSE THEY SOMEHOW FEEL THEY HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING AWAY WITH IT...& honestly speaking,THEY DO,because yall KNOW how the INJUSTICE SYSTEM feels about US compared to THEM....they simply DON'T GIVE A *%*%.

happy 69
your explanation that im trying to assert the white is right argument is WRONG and you are way off. I dont care to address that these circumstances exist in all communities in varous forms (that is understood) my point is that when anyone pulls the trigger its THEM who are responsible. I get the jist that youre asserting that because of economic and cultural circumstances that they are innocent and not knowing that taking another life is wrong. Well, they know its wrong!

And believe it or not music influences kids, eespecially music that glamorizes crime as a means of obtaining success. And okay forget the acid rock (which Led Zeppelin is NOT) let them listen to Hank Jr or Stravinsky...the point is when a Black youth becomes dissassociated with so-called Black forms of pop culture then he/she is disowned from black peers by people like you who will call them Toms and sellouts or even call them white.

Since when does being a Ashanti or 50 Cent fan certify Blackness?

And the reasons for Black on Black homicide are drug related? Okay so its not about a team thing. Its not an us againt them thing. Once again we are exempt from accepting resonsibilty because of our environment. Our environment becomes a cesspool of heroin so its immpossible to raise our children with any positive values (family values--ohh you call them white values although you want the same values for your children) so the streets take a hold of them and bring them into "da game" -- you see where Im going with this, the Black on Black crime and homicide is never the responsibility of the criminal and you continue to defend that these victims of society should be excused from being pinned as criminals. Now--give ME a break!

Jay Rivers.

You are a liar. You don't know a **** thing about me or about my philosophy about life. I know that people like you think that you know everything... but I am here to tell you that you don't.
Not anywhere on the whole thread did I or anyone else for that matter, say a thing about criminals not taking responsibility for what they are doing.

While we get all this heinous info on all these Black folk killing each other and themselves; when are we going to hear about all this White on White crime...then again, in your world we know that this does not happen.

Who said anything about music or those who present it, certify a person being Black.

The only people I ever see getting a break for doing heinous crimes is your White folk... never take responsibility? Surely, you jest.

It was you who made the dumb inference in the first place when you said that someone who listened to Acid Rock would be considered a Tom... You did that...that was your assanine assertion taken straight out of the
Black Man's Handbook To BeComing A Good Negro and Loved By Good Ol' Boys written and disseminated by the Religious Right and all their affiliates... page one!

You come in here coon baiting...look in the mirror.

I called 'em. Now, tell me I'm wrong.

happy

calm down :)

--when are we going to hear about all this White on White crime...then again, in your world we know that this does not happen.

Im not addressing that in anyway because it has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. That that happens and its a given and the name of this thread is Black vs Black homiced not White vs White homice.

---that was your assanine assertion taken straight out of the
Black Man's Handbook To BeComing A Good Negro and Loved By Good Ol' Boys written and disseminated by the Religious Right and all their affiliates... page one!

Thats silly. Do you read that? ive never even seen that book.

I will tell you that you are wrong if you deny that Blacks disown and discriminate against other Blacks if they're not associated with so-called elements of Black Culture such as rap music. I never said anyone who listened to acid rock was a Tom... Youre the one saying Im trying to push White better Black which is NOT TRUE. Again you're wrong.

I don't think I know everything, Im just learning as I go.

Coon baiting, what the hair is that? Is that supposed to make me feel bad, you calling me names?

JR

this is such a complex, multi-tiered long term problem, it almost defies a cursory, messege board type response, but i'll post a few of my thoughts on the posted statements.

the 1st problem i hv is w the generalization the author makes n his opening statement:

"Some years ago black youth told me what they did to fight boredom: "We get our uzis, bulletproof vests, get in our cars and ride through the hood shootin *******." "

the thoughts expressed following that opening, f they r to have a basis in logic, require me to make several assumptions. its my experience that youth(s) of any color will say almost anything, particularly to an 'outsider'. veracity is rarely a hi priority, boasting is common & frequently, the more bombastic the better. i am also curious about several things. just how young & how numerous were these 'youths' that were able to acquire uzis ($$), bulletproof vests ($$$), & cars, and develop sophisticated routes of randomized asassinations, from the sound of it, whenever they got bored (that is to say repeatedly), & get away scot free? am i supposed to assume that this is typical & common behavior of 'black youth'? o k, but 4 arguments sake, let me take that statement & its implications at face value (for now).

"So we are worse than the KKK"

n what world? :laugh: :laugh: u either know little or nothing about the kkk, or u grossly overestimate the abilities of your 'black youth'. i am neither qualified nor is this the forum to delve elaboratly n2 the history & activities of the kkk but i hardly think any band of 'black youth' riding around in cars 'shootin _________' (whateva) is comperable to a structurally sophisticated, nationally organized, financially endowed, semi-underground organization committed to deriving pleasure via the castration (both physical & psychological), rape (ditto), immolation, lynching and torture, & general annialation of black ppl, all for their entertainment & gratification, the members of which still function, with government sanction n many instances, at virtually all levels of every law enforcement & information gathering agency & administrative governmental branch of this country.

"I have a strange feeling if we make black on black homicide qualify as special circumstance hate crimes, making the person eligible for the death penalty, black on black homicide would subside"

mayb u shld lay dwn until that 'strange' feeling passes. :lol: as distasteful and tragic as these episodes r, i hesitate to do anything that wld place any additional tools at the disposal of the 'criminal justice system' (more like the criminally unjust system f u ask me, but thats another thread) which wld help them feel justified n slaughtering more blk males than they already r. y, just the other day i was thinking, u kno, we really don't hv enough black males n prison, let's stop being so ez on them. i've com 2 expect this kind of erradication mentality from eurocentric isolationists b/c i understand that they c bloodletting as the solution to all their problems. but i'm going to take a wag (wild a__ guess) that w a name like marvin x, ur not european. i like 2 think u & i can b a little more creative than our oppressors n finding ways to contain this canker sore in our community.

"It is indeed hypocritical for the black community to march when white police kill a black, but do no marching for the nightly black on black homicides in the hood"

mayb not. i'm not going 2 condem the blk community f they find they hv more luv, more understanding, more pity, & more 4givness n their hearts for one of their own, a fellow member of an oppressed group & possibly suffering under extenuating circumstances they can identify with, should that be the case, than they do for a perpetrator who is a member of a group w a history of cavilier indifference, or even egar participation when it comes to the taking of blk life. they say charity starts in the home. so does mercy & 4givness.


my comments r directed at the author of the article & r not intended to dispute any viewpoint already posted. (i prob shld hv put that at the top :oops: )

hi destee :wave: gr8 topic, as usu. thanks.

Black On Black Homicide

Some years ago black youth told me what they did to fight boredom: "We get our uzis, bulletproof vests, get in our cars and ride through the hood shootin *******." So we are worse than the KKK. I have a strange feeling if we make black on black homicide qualify as special circumstance hate crimes, making the person eligible for the death penalty, black on black homicide would subside. How much black on black homicide occurred when the black man was chattel property of the white man? Black on black homicide is allowed for population control and to continue the lucrative criminal justice system in which the black man becomes chattel property of the state, valued at $30,000 to $50,000.00 per inmate per year. Black on black homicide is thus good for the capitalist economy. Let one white man get murdered in the hood and the national guard will be called.

It is indeed hypocritical for the black community to march when white police kill a black, but do no marching for the nightly black on black homicides in the hood. Not only are revolutionaries and socalled leaftist radicals guilty as sin, but Muslims, Christians, democrats and republican blacks, also black social organizations, school teachers, tenured n!gg^hs and others.

--Marvin X


wow.

I remember when Jason Whitlock wrote an article comparing Black-on-Black Crime to the KKK and being torn apart for it by many Blacks.

But, here is Marvin X saying that some of us are "WORSE" than the KKK.

wow.

However, I do agree with him on the "hate crimes" part.

It is a product of self-hate but retaliated against each other.