"If you notice, there hasn't been no girls of (ethnicity) at all on none of those tapes," Snoop Dogg complained during a recent interview. "No black girls, no Spanish girls _ all white girls, and that (stuff) ain't cool, because white girls ain't the only hos that get wild."

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--people-snoopdogg0624jun24,0,7093064.storyThe article says that he's walked away from hosting the "Girls Gone Wild" videos and plans to do his own version featuring our beautiful African Sisters. It's really so sad. A Brother who has the ability and opportunity to do wonderful things for our young Sisters, guide and direct many at one time, to higher and safer ground, lift them up and encourage them ... instead he does what the enemy would do. Gosh, so disappointing to read this.

Stay Focused My Sisters.

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Destee

Originally posted by Destee

Stay Focused My Sisters.

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Destee

Ditto

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Queenie

Yeah I feel you on this Destee. I guess exploitation is gonna be everywhere. At least these days that's what it seems like.

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Exploitation. Soorrrry, some sisters do engage in that behavior. Freaknik(used to be in ATL years ago). Spring break-almost anywhere(whether the Black one or where white students go). Whether stupidity or exhibitionism or Black Biker weekend. No difference in white and Black girls acting crazy when they choose to-for whatever reason and no one in most instance-ever put a gun to their head.

You are right!!! No one is putting a gun to their head. The reason it has came to this is because many brothas think we like being treated this way. After all, do you see the majority of us complaining to our lawmakers about our image being disgraced before America??? No as a matter of fact, we (the sistahs) are supporting this by purchasing the filthy CDs for our sons and daugthers.

How else can trash survive unless we burn it. If we don't burn it, then it begans to rot in our neighborhoods as the porn rappers lead our children by their minds as pied pipers. Snopp is simply a "reaping board" for a people who have allowed too much to go on without saying a word against it. The only way that stuff like this can be dealt with sucessfully is to cut it off at the root and the love of money is at the root...boycott it. It's all about money and what you can control when you got it. Cut off the money and then maybe they can really come up with some real decent lyrics. I know that it will be a challenge, but believe it or not some can write well without the negatives. They are making more money with less effort...ain dat sumthin.

One rapper said that it took him three days of hard concentration to write a rap song with no profanity in it. However, it takes only a hour or so to write a piece that is purely derogatory and profane...ain dat sumthin.

Believe it or not, Snoop Dog is a family man and doesn't even allow his own to be exposed to his trash or dat of other rappers. Yet, he's throwing it to our children and many of us, like fools, are lapping it up and feeding it to our children. Now you tell me what's wrong with dat picture???

This is why "white owned" BET dropped great programming like TAVIS SMILEY. They provide 18 hours a day of Ho and Thug videos. The other six hours is divided among comedy (very little of it is actually funny) and other programming. Why did Viacom make this move??? I believe they seriously think that all most black people wanna do is sit before a TV every day and watch ho and thug programming. I wonder why??? And then again, with the success of Lil Kim, R. Kelly and other nasty video whores, whites are simply watching the trend and making money off of the very things that we as a race have locked ourselves into.

I am pleased to know that many blacks have begun to boycott BET but we need a tremendous amount of them to speak out against the degradation of our image on TV and in music...because believe it or not, it is mostly whites (and foreigners) who are buying the stuff because they get a kick out of it. It has always been entertaining to whites to watch blacks act silly...since the days of slavery.

Thus, we can't complain about whites having a negative image in their minds about black people if we are the ones propagating it on TV. Moreover, asians have ignorant views about blacks, because BET is the only time many of them get to see blacks on TV other than sports. Folks, BET is worldwide...not just nationwide. When we as a people, should be rebuking those who are hurting us...we protect them, we cover for them. Meanwhile, the rat get fatter and fatter.

Oh well...this is just my humble opinion. I'm outta here.:confused: :rolleyes: :(

my sisters,

this is why the Bible says in Joshua, "as for me and my house, we will serve God."
this means that what they do on the outside is their consequence to deal with.
You are responsible for what goes on inside of your home and making the difference for you and yours inside and outside.

yaphet:

"Exploitation. Soorrrry, some sisters do engage in that behavior. Freaknik(used to be in ATL years ago). Spring break-almost anywhere(whether the Black one or where white students go). Whether stupidity or exhibitionism or Black Biker weekend. No difference in white and Black girls acting crazy when they choose to-for whatever reason and no one in most instance-ever put a gun to their head."

I'm not in denial about the choices that some of my sisters make. I agree that some Black women do volunarily engage in these types of activities and exploit themselves sexually. I don't think remarks of encouragement for us to "stay focused" were made to imply otherwise.

True, this is not "rape" or "bondage" without permission. I, for one, fully recognize and acknowledge this fact. Yes, it happens and now we have the uncensored means through advanced technology and social acceptance to be able to widely advertise this behavior, once again, following suit of others that we see doing it.

Tell me, even though we know some of us do these things, what purpose does it serve to advertise it in this fashion? To do what Snoop thinks--to merely prove to the world that Black women can show their bare breasts and buttocks just as easily in public as white women? No, it may not be a big deal to some. Those that don't support this behavior may be called "anal" and prudish, but I wonder what the overall social impact will be if we continue to move in this direction by promoting and supporting stuff like this? Sociologically and morally speaking, when and why in African American history did we develop this "hang-up" with the naked body?

Joyce, strong and powerful message sister and I agree.

Peace!

people,
it is simple and plain:
raise your daughters as they should be and you will see the difference inside and outside.
forget the complex talk.

NNQueen and others, I don't like that some of our sistahs are doing that any more than you. With some, it's hormones and others, just plain stupidity.But everybody, including Snoop know that you can get some sistahs doing that and any other cultures and races. Exhibitionism cuts across everybody. Besides, who says the Punanny Poets are even less exploitative? Art is involved and poetry,sonnets and oratory are in their shows dealing with the subject of sex, but there is nudity at their shows too-even if everybody in the audience is over 21-25 years of age.Old HBO documentary-in that one of the female members that perform in the nude and take photographs and is photographed in the nude-admits that she is an exhibitionist.

Originally posted by yaphet al-wynn
Besides, who says the Punanny Poets are even less exploitative? Art is involved and poetry,sonnets and oratory are in their shows dealing with the subject of sex, but there is nudity at their shows too-even if everybody in the audience is over 21-25 years of age.Old HBO documentary-in that one of the female members that perform in the nude and take photographs and is photographed in the nude-admits that she is an exhibitionist.

Hi yahphet al-wynn, maybe I'm missing something, but can you further clarify what u mean by "Punany Poets"? Thanks...

ALL talk is important to express in my opinion...complex and simple. All Black people are not the same nor do they have the same spiritual beliefs. Therefore life is not as simple as some people might want it to be. To shut down anyone's voice is a form of oppression.

Peace!

yaphet--you've lost me. I don't quite understand what your point is that you're trying to make. How did poetry and art enter the conversation? Are you saying that naked women lifting their shirts and exposing their breasts to a camera and rubbing themselves and each other in graphically sexual ways is art?

Joyce is always on point (as usual). She was cut and dry.
l mean (as l chuckle), when peeps are too erratic and verbose (near confused) , it brings a smokescreen right in front of the clear answer. Stop trying to sail around the world trying to discover what's obvious. The home is solely responsible for the social, moral, and spiritual well-being of the child and if God is the center of the home, they can't go wrong inn or out of society. Point blank.

The Punnany poets are an all Black performance artist group (in California-I Believe) composed of men an women that recite poetry, monologues and sketch narratives dealing with sex. They either do the some sketches or scenes either in semi-nude or nude. The nudity does not occur in every minute of their shows. They were featured in HBO's Real Sex months or years ago that got re-aired. Heck on the 'net I heard theur name but had no clue to who they were till I got HBO. I'll see if there is a link to them.

I tried looking for it. Best that I can tell you is that they are featured in HBO's Real Sex 24 (episode) and went to HBO's site. Closest thing that talk about them I found and since I'm new here and erotica is verboten or taboo here-I'll respect the house. But if someone can find a link that can be posted here and still respect the house-fine. There was a site that featured a poet called lucky 7, that was in it. But may be an image that is objectionable to some. No nudity, just kissing a woman (she's female and looks a little butch).

yaphet, yes, now that you've described it, I've heard of "Punanny Poets." They do take art as we thought we knew it, to a whole new level.

So, are you defining what Snoop does as "artistic expression" or is it simply entertainment? If this is art, then the Black community shouldn't look at it in terms of having any social value, moral character, or spiritual substance? And because the women involved are performing of their own free will, it's not about exploitation? Simply view it as art and like any other type of art, you'll either like it or you won't--?

Some people slap paint on a canvas with a broad brush with wide strokes and expect people to see what they see. Some people might view the canvas differently, but should they be judged wrong because of that?

j'hiah "...if God is the center of the home, they can't go wrong inn or out of society. Point blank." Does this mean that every person that has gone "wrong", didn't have God in their home?

Depends how you look at it. Rubens, Gaugin and other artists used nudes in their painting and is considered art. The Black lady that took nude photos of herself in religious settings in New York may or may not be considered art, but that one got former mayor Giuliani in hackles.The Punnany Poets in my opinion is art in that they are dealing with the subject of sex in poetry in either genteel style or urban,funky in your face with a lil' ghetto style. With Snoop, some of his rap is art and others not. On this venture that he is talking about-if he catches Black women acting a fool on their own free will spontaneously at say, a spring break event, get their release and adequatley compensate them. May not be art as we know it but business. If he is successful at it-who's to blame?

Originally posted by yaphet al-wynn
The Punnany poets are an all Black performance artist group (in California-I Believe) composed of men an women that recite poetry, monologues and sketch narratives dealing with sex. They either do the some sketches or scenes either in semi-nude or nude. The nudity does not occur in every minute of their shows. They were featured in HBO's Real Sex months or years ago that got re-aired. Heck on the 'net I heard theur name but had no clue to who they were till I got HBO. I'll see if there is a link to them.

OK Yaphet al-wynn now I understand what you're saying. Before I thought you meant any "poet" who does poetry based on eroticism or sex. I have to agree with Joyce and yourself that alot of it is due to a lack of proper home training/discipline and also some woman just like to act like straight fools because of the payoff they'll recieve be it attention, monetary compensation, etc. and shows like Snoops' show indicates how far some women will go to get the attention of a celebrity and also the attention of the world because the videotapes will be mass marketed. I am certainly no defender of Snoop, but everything is based on money, and I'm sure he wouldn't propose this scenario if there wasn't a demand and if he didn't think it would be profitable. Lets face it, he is a celebrity and he only cares about the money. So I don't expect any moral judgements from him, at least not when sex is so rampant in this society.

Joyce I have to give you a world of credit for having the integrity and honesty to address a problem and expose it at it's root problem. I have been saying for some time now, that... one of the major ways sisters can garner respect for themselves, around the world is to 1) do not support black men, women or any other person that repeatedly encourage black women to exhibit themselves as only instruments of sex or money whoremongers. If we don't support them, then the image will change. If the brothas won't challenge the Image then then it is left up to the sistahs to stand up and demand that they no longer be seen as only concerned with "getting paid and laid". Perception often determines reality. People in Asia, Africa and Europe see us as semi-primitive beings that wear flashy clothes.... or next to nothing at all, who rarely if ever read, or have books in our homes.

Destee,

I am glad that Snoop does not have any black girls gone wild, let those other people show all they want, I dont want to see my sistah's a part of that mess.

Originally posted by j'hiah
The home is solely responsible for the social, moral, and spiritual well-being of the child and if God is the center of the home, they can't go wrong inn or out of society. Point blank.

Amen to that

Responsibility is on both sides.

The black women who allow themselves to be exploited and in the end gain a world of disrespect and a small piece of change as compensation. Their minds have been warped by a multi-layered structure built to destroy their images of themselves, while holding false hope that their bodies are a weapon to be wielded to gain material happiness and to fill a positive self-image void.

On the otherhand, if we are responsible for ourselves as people as a whole, then the support and encouragement of these images for acceptance by black men is as much of a social and cultural crime. Some of the same men who enable these types of behaviors hold a double standard when it comes to women who are within their family or friends.

Healthy for either one? I think not.

I agree Sister Deepa.

I don't know that I agree that parents or the parental home is solely responsible for the way children turn out. I think that parents and how they raise their children have a large degree of influence on them, but there are no gaurantees that even if a child is exposed daily to a particular religious doctrine or moral philosophy, that they will turn out the way parents would like for them to. There's a good chance they will, but there's no 100% guarantee.

Shared responsibility by all. Women who submit themselves to behave a certain way, society's message of what's acceptable/unacceptable behavior and perpetrators within society who encourage behaviors. But ultimately, the lion-share of the responsibility rests with the individual.

Good point. To respond to your question about Snoop...hmmm....based on my own personal values and moral standards, I would think that he wouldn't put his daughters in his videos....however....the way some people think and act today, I'm not so sure that he wouldn't.

For example, look at Lil Kim and even Beyonce'...both managed or heavily influenced by parents or a parent. I wouldn't go so far as to call their music videos pornography but they sure don't leave much to the imagination do they? What's the difference?

If money and fame is the driving force...
If you will promote ANY form of sexual activity as a consumable product...
If you could participate in any form of activity that markets women as nothing more but sexual objects...
If you could portray men as nothing but sexual addicts who would stop at nothing to satisfy their constant craving...
If you can include YOURSELF in any of the above scenarios....

Then why wouldn't he allow his daughters, his wife, or even his mother to be in his videos?

Peace.

Originally posted by Isanusu
Snoop had the sme woman since age 14. She call him Calvin and dont' seem like the kind of sista' that plays any of that stuff "Snoop Dogg" be talkin' .
So Snoop is a "ho' himself.

They say a rose by any other name is still a rose. A pimp ain't a "ho" but isn't s/he just as guilty of the same condition? In this discussion I don't really see the relevance of how long Snoop and his wife have been together. She might not submit to being in his porn videos but the possibility that he wouldn't mind if she was is what's an issue for me. Also, she may not be 'that kind of sista' BUT how is she living and what pays for that lifestyle? Just a thought.

Brother Isanusu, I ain't disagreeing with you man, but dang, this thread is about Snoop so we can't help but discuss the man! *lol* My intent is not to bash Snoop because he's a rapper. To me that's only a means to an end. That's his profession and so be it but you said something I found very interesting and I wonder if this is a universal truth: "it doesn't matter how you make your money. The ultimate measure is what you use it for."

I thought this was deep because it has all types of subtle and overt implications that had me seriously wondering whether there's anything that anyone could do to make money that would be considered unacceptable? Is this the "Robin Hood Theory"...robbing the rich to give to the poor? Even though this represents theft, it's okay because of how the money is used? Is this what you mean?

Okay you may not respond to this 'cause you've said you've had your say on this topic but I was just curious.

So, after reading your last comment, Isanusu, are you saying that we should never throw stones at glass houses because we're all guilty of something and will end up in hell? So let Snoop be Snoop because no one complains about Boeing and GE building aircraft that are used in wars, because Snoop and Boeing provide jobs for people which gives them the opportunity to provide for their families? So as long as the white man does his thing, let the Black man alone and don't criticize him for what he does because at least he's working and he should have the same rights? Don't hate the drug dealer for making a business out of selling drugs, because we don't boycott Popeye's or KFC even though both are deadly? After all, no one forces us to partake in either one, right? It's an individual choice. So throw away our notions of what we think about what's 'good or bad', 'right or wrong' because all of those opinions have been influenced by White Supremacy? So we shouldn't focus on the how but only on the end result? What if the end result has a devastating impact, then is it ok to critique the 'how'?

I also think responsibility is on both sides. Snoop should have more sense (as should other rappers and entertainers) to know that depicting black women in such as fashion is making black women look like hos. On the other hand...if black women didn't want to look like hos then they should'nt audition for a Snoop Dogg video when they know no wardrobe is necessary. Snoop knows that showing naked women on video sales, so we know what his motivation is($$$$$$$$). Black women need to show that they want to be taken for more than just sex objects by turning down these rolls. If Snoop wasn't like this many of his loyal supporters (black men as well as black women) wouldn't even be there. And he wouldn't be filthy rich. We are bathing ourselves in ignorance, then we get pissed when it comes back to bite us. If you run down the street naked in the rain, don't get mad when people think you're crazy. If you're in a Snoop Dogg video that talks about hoes and tricks, don't cry when someone calls you a *** or a trick. Plain and simple. But, we know this will never happen so I guess I just wasted 16 lines of type for nothing.

That's it, I'm throwing my Snoop Dogg girls gone wild application away right now...lol...I'm joking family, I would never.

Anyway, I wasn't able to pull up the article but I want to still voice that this is truly sad. He could do so much for US,...to help lift US up, but this is what he chooses to do...truly sad I say. A prime example of a rapper not wrapped too tight.

Snoop Dogg is an idiot....and we are naive for looking at him as anything other than that. Why should we wonder about wasted potential leadership? In the 10 years I've seen Snoop....I've never heard an intelligient idea come from his lips. His 1st record was about murder (187)...his theory about putting black women in girls gone wild is that we want to see black hoes too..to his "puff, puff, pass" weed tours....to his latest venture Soul Plane! Snoop Dogg is an ex-con & high school dropout....why would anyone in their right mind be looking to him for leadership (despite the brilliant exception of Malcolm X). The same can be said about a lot of today's rappers....ex-cons & high school dropouts, an we are looking to them for guidance. :nono: They degrade sistas, they promote violence & drug use........well of course, when you give ignorant people influence....this is what happens.

Men have always exploited women since the Fall in the Garden of Eden. Before Snoop there was Hugh Hefner and Larry Flint. And it's getting worst with pornography online and prominent people being arrested for having kiddie porn on their computers.

Many women choose to degrade themselves like that. Nobody forces them.

That's why I don't like rap music; it speaks in a degrading manner about women and why should we tolerate being called "hoes" and "b*tches"?

I read an article in Ebony a few years ago in which the Asian community got with a rapper for trying to display Asian women in a negative manner. They said they would not tolerate their women being disrespected and the rapper backed off.

I don't care for Snoop Dogg and other trashy rappers like him. If I saw him on the street, I wouldn't give him as much as a "hi". Wouldn't waste my breath to ask for an autograph.

Snoop can't do nothing for me or the next person. He's not a positive role model for young black men. It hurts to see young men going around imitating these rap fools. I don't call them "artists" because their nastiness is not art.

We shouldn't expect anything from these people. As blacks, we need to stop looking to these people for a better life. I don't need him to lift me up, I need and depend only on God.

These black people don't owe us anything. I don't support them by purchasing their music and wouldn't dare go to see "Soul Plane", which is another negative portrayal of black people.

you right.


Men have always exploited women since the Fall in the Garden of Eden. Before Snoop there was Hugh Hefner and Larry Flint. And it's getting worst with pornography online and prominent people being arrested for having kiddie porn on their computers.

Many women choose to degrade themselves like that. Nobody forces them.

That's why I don't like rap music; it speaks in a degrading manner about women and why should we tolerate being called "hoes" and "b*tches"?

I read an article in Ebony a few years ago in which the Asian community got with a rapper for trying to display Asian women in a negative manner. They said they would not tolerate their women being disrespected and the rapper backed off.

I don't care for Snoop Dogg and other trashy rappers like him. If I saw him on the street, I wouldn't give him as much as a "hi". Wouldn't waste my breath to ask for an autograph.

Snoop can't do nothing for me or the next person. He's not a positive role model for young black men. It hurts to see young men going around imitating these rap fools. I don't call them "artists" because their nastiness is not art.

We shouldn't expect anything from these people. As blacks, we need to stop looking to these people for a better life. I don't need him to lift me up, I need and depend only on God.

These black people don't owe us anything. I don't support them by purchasing their music and wouldn't dare go to see "Soul Plane", which is another negative portrayal of black people.

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I agree with most all that has been typed thus far. OUR women are Queens and should be treated in such a manner. It is unfortunate that there are women out there that have such a low self-esteem to allow them to be disrespected that way. I frown upon all who treat my beautiful sister in such a way. Which means 99% of all popular rap and hip-hop would fall into that category. We must stop letting these little boys think it is okay to disrespect my mom, sister, wife, girlfriend, cousin, aunt, grandma and friend.

We need to stop buying music and supporting other media that supports such filth.

WE MUST MAKE A STAND!!!!

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Just a waste. It is indeed sad.

MAKE A STAND. VOTE. FIGHT THE POWER

BOYCOTT BET **Pumps right fist in air**
BOYCOTT BET
BOYCOTT BET
BOYCOTT BET

I've been boycotting BET for the last 10 years. :smash:

i think the saddest part about this situation is that snoop probably thinks he is doing something good.

Yes he is doing something good for his wallet! Snoop is providing a service for the black community; however, every service in our community (street pharmacy, corner pub, etc) is not a healthy one.

Let's face it, some people have an addiction to this type of stuff. I agree Brother Pan, Snoop is doing something that is making him money. He's making money in such a way that many of us don't approve of but some of us aren't bothered by it. What Snoop and brothers/sisters like him are proving is that we can still be bought, sold and bamboozled on the auction blocks in America. The trinkets are bigger and much more expensive now and the price we pay for them can be just as devastating to us. What we can safely assume about people like Snoop is that money and what it can buy is valued more than our freedom from a corrupt and destructive society. If someone wasn't buying his product, then he wouldn't be in business. So there must be enough interest in this type of thing to keep the money flowing or else Snoop would be rapping about something different.

Queenie :spinstar:

I know.......

The STEREOTYPES outnumbered those us who are against what he does. Queenie is right, he is proving that sistahs can still be bought. But understand why.

These girls are being manipukated. They are hooked to that ever-so-addictive all mighty dollar. If he was pimping them and they were getting nothing but a video appearance and a photo, he would not have those girls.

Then it bothers me to know that the man has children. I oughta be ASHAMED of myself if my children grew up knowing that I humiliated young college girls, especially if I end up giving birth to girls. But anyhow, it is all about money. As long as college kids get off on his activity, then he will continue exploiting filth and nothing can be done.

Cedric Denson